This is why thermal putty is a bad idea
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2022
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What brand of card do you think gives the least amount of problems? Seems like you get a lot of EVGAs in for repair. What brand would you recommend?
@@kot1pelto My guess: He probably gets EVGAs because they are awesome cards and people who bought them paid more than average due to them being EVGA. That same mindset probably makes them more willing to spend money to fix them.
There was a mining craze and everyone was mining. People let their memory junction temp and hotspot sit over 100C for months 24/7. It will eventually melt the thermal pads and run out the thermal paste on the core which slowly drives up the temps until it breaks. I had that annoying oily crud all over my backplates from the factory pads slowly melting on my gpus.
My PNY XLR8 3090 recently started hitting 105 on the hotspot while testing out the latest updates in New World. Took it apart and the thermal paste had all run out off the core and the core was sitting bare against the cooling solution.
I used some Noctua NH-T2 thermal paste from Amazon on the core and reused the same thermal pads on the memory and other parts. Some were even torn.
Running Superposition Benchmark hit like 77 on the hotspot at 4k optimized. Back in New World same thing, was like 77 at 2560X1440 @120hz with a 2nd monitor at 4k @ 60 hz (cause 3090 cannot see the Sony's tv as 120 hz but my 6950XT does) playing a youtube video.
Thanks for sharing this and a little Thermal Paste rant:
We can either machine heatsinks and precision-grind chip packages to the micron (which will make them cost some additional 1k dollars) or use thermal paste to mitigate minimal surface irregularities and geometric deviations from the ideal (for less than a cent). VISCOSITY is only needed and helpful when applying thermal paste, physics doesn't care about when the process of equalizing the surfaces is finished and the best heat conductivity achievable(meaning the most beneficial R_th, the thermal resistance) was reached for that particular copper-ceramics/plastics heat transfer point. [1]
The solvents in thermally conductive pastes have little or no share in the thermal conductivity of the agent!!!
Furthermore, the thermal conductivity value of these mechanical leveling agents(!) is ridiculously low compared to copper (240-380 W/m·K): from 1 W/m·K to 80 W/m·K for very expensive and highly specialized liquid metal pastes.
Therefore: You, with your economical use of this assembly aid are doing it right. Others, as we often see it here on UA-cam, with their excessive use of thermal paste are just uneducated idiots and shooting themselves in the foot, making the overall thermal conductivity system of the system WORSE than it could be.
P.S.: The same applies to flux. I don't know who this complete idiot was, who coined the saying: "It can never be too much flux". But he probably just misinterpreted "Better a little more than too little" (well, the statement is actually: USE THE RIGHT AMOUNT) after a night of drinking.
In the case of flux, this is not only an unnecessary waste of money, but also an environmental burden and unnecessary acidic or alkaline contamination of the circuit board. And NO, rubbing it with cotton swabs and alcohol only has one effect: to spread the whole mess over a large area, which should get the angry looks of every housewife:)
Correct cleaning of flux and other residuals (including the chemically active liquid film that you all spread so nicely on the surface) can only be achieved with interval-based pressured rinsing processes. This is how it is used in industry and that is btw no secret. Conclusion: Have a bath from time to time. It's relaxing ... not only for PCBs ... hehehe
[1] Meaning that you, because you do repair work, of course have to apply new thermal paste. But in a already (correctly!) assembled and closed state, when the surfaces are mating under mechanical pressure ... where should the compound material which is pressed into the surface irregularities go? Magically tunnel into your neighbors tooth-paste? Nope. It stays there and provides its functionality till hell freezes over! (Some people have the impression that thermal paste turns bad over time or spoils ... Thermal paste is not a VEGETABLE! ROTFL. Of course the paste can degrade and loose its viscosity, but that is a problem that relates to the process of APPLYING the paste ... not its usage as a sealing and surface leveling agent with good heat transfer properties).
I'm wondering if it is worth to recover a GeForce 5200 PCIe for the sentimental value or if it would cost like a 3060... lol
So I'm guessing due to the old and bad paste the cpu overheated and unsoldered itself from some connections? Maybe the memory wasn't actually the problem then?(making this assumption during te video)
I’m the owner of this card. This guy works miracles! I tried multiple driver uninstalls using ddu. I installed fresh drivers multiple times. I tried flashing cmos to get it to work. My best guess was that since the io shield was bent, it wasn’t able to fully seat into my motherboard fully. This makes more sense now because there was a major sag on it. I ran multiple cycles of the gpu without it fully seated because there was no easy way of telling and ran benchmarks. I had a code 97 no detect on my motherboard and ran it on a test bench I made to make sure. Thermal paste was so dry because I had to ship my system this summer from Pennsylvania to Arizona to move here. My best guess is that it succumbed to the intense heat during shipping and dried the thermal paste. Card is a little over 15 months old, so it was so sad to see it die. Once again, hats off to this genius for being able to fix my graphics card. ❤
It the thermal paste it crap , i live in uk and mine was the same on a evga 1080 ftw2 i was getting black screen and all fans kicking in only after around 6 months old but only figured out the issue ages after stripping the card i had a evga 980 OC that did same so I'm guessing that was the same issue, when your card was taken apart that's what my tim looked like it was like dried skin ..why did you not return it too evga under warranty as its 3 years i think
@@namAlexanderBecause he bought the graphics card from a 3rd party seller during the height of the plandemic when graphics cards were almost impossible to find. Purchasing thru a 3rd party voided the warranty. 😢
Ah, that explains the lack of contact with the core and also entire board was twisted.
I fixed the twist behind the scene so the chip sits flat when I solder it back on.
Otherwise it was rocking back and forth.
@@luminous6321 explains it
@@northwestrepair You did a fantastic job fixing it. Thank you 🙏
The sheer work that goes into these different repairs is astonishing to me.
I applaud you for the dedication & the video!
Hopefully it will pay off one day.
@@northwestrepair It will for sure
@@northwestrepairIt will for sure! Content is great and it keeps getting better. Be patient but know that we believe in you and support you!
Yes it's a huge job, but this card has 3 times the speed of my pc
That thermal lining you shouldn't have to only clean it I got the 3090 tho blah blah I just leave it on
finnally! thank you because of you i fixed my friend gtx 680 it had some chip issues and one ressistor was missing i found one on my old broken gpu and replaced it now its working like new again thanks a lot we can learn a lot from you.
thats cool
Cool to hear! 🤠
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I see this as an absolute win
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a true gem in the rough smd engineer - thanks for sharing your work
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Could this be the most perfect GPU repair video ever? I honestly think so. Memory diagnosis, GPU reball, fan repair- all in one. The music elevated it to a whole other level! Great job bruv!
Yeah the music really added to the video. A perfect balance of background volume and genre
This guys is a genius professional
Thanks, I really appreciate that you dig my style.
I couldn't agree anymore on how good the overall content was... the music just relaxes you out, when you know how nerve wrecking the whole scene is.. but the man makes it look like a walk in the park.
Regarding the dried up thermal paste, I believe EVGA uses PTM7950 instead of traditional paste. PTM7950 looks and feels like a very dry paste and is very hard to clean because alcohol doesn't really do anything to it. It actually performs much better than paste and lasts much much longer too since it doesn't have the drying or separating problems traditional paste has.
*PTM7958
@@zqzj 7958 is a lenovo specific version, 7950 is the standard one
Yeah, so many people saying everyone needs to "repaste", citing the "dry paste". Then they install some consOOOmer hype-marketing junk that does need to be replaced regularly due to thermal pumping. The Honeywell PTM is superior in all cases. It even beats liquid metal in many real world applications
Man, your skills, attention to details and patience are from another world. Congratulations
... and his ability to explain it in as non-technical way as humanly possible - so, we get it.
I’m always so impressed seeing you work on these super dense and complicated chips as though it’s was fixing an rc car. It’s amazing you can work so precisely with these tiny little chips and components.
nicely done man! re-balling a chip might look easy in a video like this but it takes a lot of skills and experience to do it. keep up the good work
Yes it does.
Very in-depth, very thorough and very professional. Fantastic repair!
YOU did all the work, we were just looking on in pure amazement .
Thanks for showing all that repair work !
When he said he would reball the GPU, I knew this was going to be a PITA but the madlad did it. Much props to you for your hard work. Love the music selection and I feel most people make their own mix of a song if they like the melody but don't like the sound of the track and have the talent/time to fix it.
For some reason it was awe inspiring to see you meticulously reballing the chip. Attention to small things can make all the difference, and in some ways, your gpu repairs are a very practical example of that.
Appreciate you performing this service both repairing and showing the repairs. Thank you.
This process of detecting issues and fixing them is absolutely amazing! Thank you for posting.
Wow dude , your patience is incredible , wish every city had a guy like you , congrats on the hard work u put in !
With the enormous amount of used Graphic cards right now, your channel will surely blow up in the near future. Your skill and patience in repairing this GPU are impressive.
This video discusses the process of fixing an EVGA 3080 TI graphics card that was reported as non-detectable. The speaker finds the card's thermal paste to be extremely dry and recommends against using thermal putty. After cleaning the card, the speaker checks various voltages and capacitors, and runs memory tests. The card fails the tests, and the speaker identifies errors on all chips. The speaker then removes the core, reflows it, and reassembles the card. After testing, the card is working, but the fan still has issues. The speaker uses an oscilloscope to identify a suspect chip and replaces it. The fan issue is resolved, and the card is sent back to its owner. The speaker encourages viewers to contact him for repairs and thanks them for watching.
Really neat to see you take these things apart like this. Advanced repair techniques.
Man you are a genius! Most of this no one could fix at home because, 1. You need the tech knowledge and 2. All the expert equipment.
If anyone needs something fixed, your the man. I watch a lot of your vids and you always go 110% to fix an item. Bravo! 👏👏👍
I have seen plenty of gpu repairs in my day but holy crap man. You truly go all out. I have the upright most highest respect for guys like you in your industry. I would love to be able to do the things you guys do one day. Bravo.
Your reballing process is outstanding. Great work!
amazing doesn't even come close to describing what it is like to watch you do the kind of repairs that back in my day we didn't even consider to be a possibility at the retail technician level on one level watching you work is absolutely mesmerizing. However at the same there's also a nauseating feeling when i think about all the expensive cards which ended up in the trash that i know now were repairable, it's very bitter sweet.......
Man, dude, guy, you are waaaay too good in what you do. Really! This fix was awesome
I'm scared to death to even open my card to repaste it. Watching this is always super informative. Every video pushes me closer to feel comfortable doing it
Your videos are incredibly soothing and fascinating to watch.
Amazing work
My repaired card came back operating like new and still is it's a pleasure to see someone who really knows what they are doing!!!!
Can't imagine how much time would take me to reball and reflow a GPU since i've never done it , great job, keep up the good work, great video and editing!
It will take you about at least one year (knowledge, practice) plus the proper tools.
The whole re-balling process just looks like magic to me 🤣
Great work as always.
Impeccable work - and your explanation is so helpful!
First video I've seen from you, and you are just amazing, dont even have any need for the repair advice at the moment, just enjoyed the vid! Really appreciate the slow, confident, friendly way you explain everything and your pleasant voice also your skills and knowledge are just wild!
Man, sorry to ask but... Did you worked for nvidia or something like this before? How do you know so much about fixing these otherwise unfixable problems? It's just amazing. Never seen this level of "repair prowess". Congratulations for your patience, dedication and knowledge/skills. I hope your channel gets the attention it deserves!
He took an electronics course, and actually listened.
going to school and working hard. i know - its strange to people these days.
I was wondering how he has a stencil for their GPU
Althou he has very good soldering skills, and knowledge for analysing the issues, what is the hardest for this kind of work is get the schematics and trace files for the PCB.
@@turinhorsestupid comment
Sheesh, the amount of patience it takes to adjust all those balls...
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The amount of balls it take to adjust all those balls..
Subscribed. That was incredible. These things are worth fixing, imo. As technology advances, it becomes more difficult to repair, so it also becomes more likely to be simply replaced instead of repaired. We need people like you in this world. I wish I could do work like this.
Bro I discovered your channel like 3 days ago and I am baffled at how lost I am during your entire repair process. I'm going to be replacing my thermal pads soon and if I mess something up ill definitely be messaging you on discord! Thanks for the videos!
I'm convinced the graphics cards themselves worship you as a god of reincarnation. The way you go about repairing these cards is beautiful and artistic and always a good watch
Tony, would you ever consider making a video series explaining where you source your tools, what their function is, and best practices with all of them?
He made a list with the link under the video:
drive.google.com/drive/folders/12XQpmc9tLwlRQjlo3Mn_XwKlVcV8XYGI
@@HanSolo__ It's true. There is said link in the video description, but nowhere throughout the contents of that link is any informatiom about tools.
I noticed with great pleasure that you share the patterns under your videos.... Oh my god thank you! It's always hard to find them online, and finally a good soul who shares the ones he has for free! Thank you very much, you have been of enormous help for my passion and training!
I discover this channel today and I'm in love with it, good job.
That's literally insane. Well done 👍
Totally under rated channel. You deserve way more traffic my man! Thanks for all your videos!~
The work you do has extreme value. You rock!
amazing work and patience with your hardware repair. Props!! I've never soldered anything in my life but you make it look no so bad.
Every day i wait for ur vid. I dont know why this is so interesting. Good job!
Love your work, man. So much fun to watch. Solid, solid stuff!!
I’m in awe. Your dedication and skill is otherworldly.
Also the BGM is Sick!!!
10/10
Has anyone complimented you on the mentally satisfying nature of watching your repair videos? I know enough about electronics and my way around a soldering iron, but I would have never guessed you could remove and replace surface mounted parts as easily as you make it look. Keep up the awesome work and the videos!
Such enjoyable videos, this man is amazing, nice remix by the way.
That's an amazing skill set you have. There is something cathartic about watching you work.
absolute pleasure to watch you work m8.. thanks. I`ve done a couple of smd and board level repairs in my time, very difficult.. you have remarkable skill there.
Absolutly stunning work.What great insight and your skills are of the charts!
thank you, this guy deserves more subscriber. subbed!
That was a lot of work and the coolest repair I have ever seen!
Awesome patience and repair. Kudos to you dude
Absolutely insane repair skills and board knowledge.
first video i seen of this guy and wow ur good and these repairs.
came here from northridgefix and really enjoyed the quality of
this repair.
Thanks.
What an amazing channel. I didnt know all that was possible but you make it looks so easy. Amazing!
Such a great job!! I love to see you repairing gpus, i can learn a lot with your videos, greatings from Brazil!!
Jedan od najboljih ako ne i najbolji repair majstor! Odlican si, svaki put pogledam tvoj video i odlican je!
Gotta love your work, so far the best repair channel imho. Keep up the great content!
I'm mesmerised by your videos. Such great skills! I can barely do BGA - and I have pre-heater and good station - and you seem to be able to do those massive ICs with a million balls with no issues! Kudos.
Very talented, very thorough fix, I enjoyed the music you made too!
Your skills are legendary, I hope you lot aren't a dying breed, we need you!
Great pleasure to watch your repair videos! Getting aesthetic satisfaction.
I don't know what you even did but I couldn't stop watching you do it. Into the rabbit hole I go!
There's some real craftsmanship! Lovely to see a professional at work!
Great work, as usual. Thanks for releasing this video.
Superb work yet again getting these cards back working .
I must say, this is extremly relaxing. Seeing master during work is one thing but 50% is music, btw good taste and that piece of yours.
Dude I just wanted to let you know that you are the reason I have got into doing GPU repair and other computer related repairs. I am pursuing hopefully a career in this one day. I find your videos super interesting and informative. Thanks for posting and sharing your knowledge. Look forward to your next post. Keep up the good work. 👌
I love seeing your work and am amazed with your knowledge , only wish I understood more of what your doing when fixing the GPUs nontheless keep the great work
Holy CRA** thats amazing!
Redooing the whole Chip!
Nice Work!
I'm amazed every time by your work, keep it up!
I rly like the music you make to put into your videos keep it up. Many content creators don't understand how to mix music into there videos without hurting headphone users ears.
your work is amazing mate watching your videos even tho i dont understand any of it gives good feeling when reviving a piece of tech
Hey! I just love to watch your Videos, to get a little dieser into the essence of gpus, time by time i understand more! Thank you very much! Peace!
I like the new video style with music, keep it going!
Watching your videos is like therapy for me.
Once again, I applaud you for your work and depth of knowledge! You rock brother!
So much respect to you for your skills. Amaizing to watch. ✌
wow man you are doing a one hell of a good job i've been watching your videos for a while and you always deliver
thats awesome work man. this is the level of repair i wish i could do but tools are so expensive.
Love your contact boss!
You do great work. If i ever need my card repaired I hope he's as great as you for diagnosis. Good job
I'm jealous of your skill and patients. Thanks for the videos.
Man you are amazing. I would like to learn these skills some day and maybe even open my own repair shop.
i love everything about this, it's so complex and "fun" :p
i wish i had all the equipment you have, so I could learn more
Wonderful and great job on the repair and also on your own soundtrack! :)
Thank you! Cheers!
idk why but i always get so excited for a re-ball!
Thank you for sharing your amazing work! It's a pleasure to watch.
amazing workmanship , thank you for the video.
love your videos.
you're funny and really good at this
I used to work in the semiconductor manufacturing, Nvidia was one of the IC we made in the early stage of using BGA it's amazing to see your skills without a reflow and pad laying machine. The flux used to smell so much and maintenance on the machines was tricky with all the balls all o er the place. It was all automated and the balls were picked by vacuum and a small air jet bellow would make them boun e ti fill the heads 5 at a time. Solder was applied via pins which were spring loaded. 😅
watching from day one really loved your repair content
I have learned many things from you. Because your troubleshooting technic is like no other Simple & Efective
if You have enough time in the future please show motherboard repair basics.
In a third-world county like mine, we have to repair like you.
If ever have an issue with my 3090s I will send your way tony. Thanks for sharing the process with us.
Yeah keep me in your pocket.
Wow, amazing! You’re very knowledgeable and skilled. Subbed!
addicted to this channel!!!
greaaat work!!
That's an exceptional level of work. Never seem something like!
Another great repair, well done!