Let me guess, 10th Planet and Gracie Barra? Lololol! We all see Rener using this as a sales pitch, but I 100% agree honestly. It's really weird how most BJJ schools don't have a set curriculum for beginners etc.
@@shrimuyopa8117 why not 5 advanced classes and 5 beginner classes? Different times, same instructor, no need for an extra instructor. And as an advanced belt, I still take the beginner classes when I can. Always learn something new and clean up my fundamentals.
I was thinking the same thing. I'm new and been to about 4 schools. The best for me is $$$ and far away. But I found one that is local. The problem you can encounter is technique variation. But standardization and welcoming is the key for me.
Joe's experience is a common one. Before I discovered Gracie Jiu-Jitsu I'd tried a couple other schools in different states-also HUGE organizations with instant name recognition. One treated me like new meat, kinda just threw me in there with blue and purple belts to see how I'd handle it, this being with ZERO classes-EVER. I'd of loved this type of challenge having been ultra-competitive-when I was YOUNG, but I was almost 57 at the time, WAY past my prime. The second promised me self-defense techniques but I was fooled. It was a competition academy. I found my home with Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. I LOVE their teaching methodology, the synergy, the camaraderie, the SELF-DEFENSE FIRST mindset, the absolute best kids' program, the Women Empowered program, and their work with LE.
Dear Lord ... this sounds like my experience almost verbatim. I'm 50 and heart-sick knowing I'll never be able to train authentic/traditional, self-defense focused Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. But very happy for you. Good luck with your training.
I be willing to roll if they throw my into the wolf den . But then I do what I do as well like punching them in the neck open palm striking in the throat eye jabbing . Plus I train in breaking blocks . All I can say my fist is like an elbow strike in comparison. For those who know Brian Gray then you know what I do . Does it make me a martail artist ? No it doesn't . But either way you won't like it as well . I use knees, elbows, fist and slapping methods and I can say I fair well .
@@CJfunctional ok.. thanks. .. the basics are the most important... I trained at Tristar gym in montreal ( GSP Rory McDonald & Many More... No Basics class they Throw you in There & Good Luck...
@@MonacoRocha I started grappling that way. I joined GU 3 years ago. I play with the master cycle class, but I also take combatives so I can truly understand what I’m doing. Im better for it. But nothing wrong with the shark tank approach either I did that for 18 years. Just older and wiser now!
@@CJfunctional I'm 65 as of yesterday been in great shape since I was 5 Karate Swimming Up Hill sprinting Yoga Jogging boxing I never stopped training I train every day 1 or 2 days a week Bike riding .I have no Injuries... I will try it again bjj .... Slow & relaxed Rolling.. Thanks
I always use the following system for beginner students, the rest of the world should follow along: Passing guard 3 min. Escape side control 3 min. Escape mount 3 min. Escape back guard 3 min. Escape back mount 3 min. Escape knee on belly 3 min. Chokes & escapes: Rear choke Guillotine choke Triangle choke Head and arm choke Arm locks: Arm bar Kimura Key lock Omoplata Leg locks: Calf crank Toe hold Knee bar Heel hook Yes I teach beginners leg locks and defense early on. After they do the position escapes and 12 submissions, they learn butterfly guard sweep, elevator sweep and basic lasso sweep. This simple program sets a solid foundation and understanding of Grappling fundamentals. Aloha from Hawai’i 🥋 🤙🏻
I'm pretty sure I'm at one of the schools described in this video. I've realized if I dont want to wait through the 16 week set curriculem to have some sort of idea what I want out of each position I'm going to have to teach myself. I'm going to youtube videos on each of these topics, thank you
Half of this is not relevant for real fighting where striking is involved. No headlock escapes, no striking escapes, no clinch work, no takedowns, you're not preparing your students for someone trying to beat their face in.
@@tjl4688 oh for sure I realize that. It’s not an MMA program it’s a submission wrestling program that caters to the sport of grappling. We have a street self defense system as well
Many schools fail in having more "all level" classes and not very much of a focus on beginners, usually one class a week but what if you can't make it Thursday nights or Saturday mornings?
Yeah, I have ran into that. There are schools around me that have several "fundamentals" class but also have a bunch of more advanced students attending them and the instructor gears the class toward the advanced students. Which means beginning students take a long time to actually gain any fundamentals. Also ran into several students who think every roll is a championship match.
@@powerboon2k Lighten up Francis. For some of us there is this thing called a life: job, family commitments. If you are working during those classes, you can't attend...unless you decide to "sacrifice" your job but then how are you going to pay for your training. If you don't sacrifice your job, I have been told I could take private lessons. The cost of those started at $75 an hour (and went up depending on the instructor). 4 private lessons + regular training cost per month = $450 a month. 2 private lessons and regular training would be $300 a month. Yes that would sacrifice my budget. We are just trying to find the best school with the best class times and also provides the best fit for what we would like to do. I want self defense and conditioning but almost all the schools around me emphasize sport and competition.
@The Tide Rises Most of the schools around here, being an instructor is their full time job (usually 2-3 full time instructors and 3-4 part time instructors). Yes, you can prioritize your time but if the classes aren't available when you can go, it doesn't help. If you can't change your work schedule, say you get off shift at 6:30 pm, and are 20 miles away from the school, it is tough making that basics class that started at 6pm. In the big city places, most of the "fundamental" classes are full of advanced students and they are no longer true basics classes. Seriously, I did a Groupon for one school and I would actually do about 15 minutes out of each of an hour long "basics" classes because they were working advanced techniques for an upcoming competition. Oh, there was always an upcoming competition as I was there for 6 weeks.
I am with a 'recognised name' BJJ gym: 1. On my first day I was rolling with coloured belts and had no idea of what was happening (the martial arts equivalent of throwing someone in the deep end of the pool) 2. Classes are ad-hoc, which doesn't allow building on lessons from previous classes to perfect the movements 3. From day one, I was trying to learning complex maneuvres that I had no chance to execute, let alone remember 4. I had no idea for about 3 months what a hip escape was used for (they were yelling at me to do it when rolling, I could not connect what I thought was a warm-up exercise, to a BJJ move) 5. There is no context as to why I was doing maneuvres, or in which situations I would use them 6. When rolling they yell terms that you have no idea the meaning of "posture up", "pass", "don't give them your arm", "do a little bump" (yes, I worked it out eventually, but just illustrating how I was rolling before I knew what this meant) 7. Rolling is hard-out and I often come home with bruises on my face and have been told that injuries are a part of BJJ (still don't know what other gyms think about this. My personal view (at this stage) is that rolling hard before purple belt is a counter productive and a waste of time - but then again, I am a white belt). 8. I later realised after joining there was 'beginner classes' which consists of a room of white belts, some of who are not stopped from being maniacs on the mat. They are rolling with muscle and force (which is not what I thought BJJ was all about) 9. There is a little pressure to enter competitions held at the gym, between other members of the gym. 10. During my time when I was rolling, I was never told which positions were good, which were bad, and what you want to avoid (e.g. I only realised a few nights ago that grips from your opponent are bad) 11. I felt defenceless (still do at times) from not knowing what is bad. How am I am supposed to know defend what I an unaware of ? (Isn't awareness the first step in self defence?) I feel like quitting, but can't bring myself to tell the instructor who is such a great guy. The thing is, I 100% believe it is normal to him and is how he learned in Brazil, and I respect him a lot and really like him. The issue is that I am not 21 anymore and don't feel that it is sustainable, long term. I don't really know what to do. Give it a bit more time or quit. Maybe I am coming through to a point where the 'school of hard knocks' is paying off a bit, I just don't know. Would appreciate any advice from someone who has been through the school of hard knocks method.
@@josephmoreau9615 @josephmoreau9615 - By way of update, a young purple belt at the academy put me in a loop choke and cranked it. I thought my head was going to pop off. His, and the academy's carelessness and the nonchalance were the reasons for me quitting. Nothing personal, I really like the guys at the academy, I need to focus on longevity in the sport. I don't want to be competitor or street fighter. I found a Gracie Garage in my area though, and have since earned my Gracie Combatives belt, which was a massive achievement for me. I started at the Gracie Garage a long while before I quit the academy, where I was rolling pretty hard, and the Combatives moves worked extremely well. The best thing that Combatives taught me was to relax (thanks to Ryron!), escape, and gain control (also safe hands, and stay punch safe). I completely took submissions out of my game so I can perfect escapes and control positions. I don't think there is any point focusing on submissions until you can control your opponent.
You didn’t ask “ what’s this used for or what’s a bump” it took u 3 months? I totally understand your frustration about being thrown into the deep end. I had my ribs, bruised, and didn’t know what I was doing or where I was even at on the mat. I was blind, but don’t be afraid to ask questions in actuality if you show true interest, and are honest about not knowing and ask for help people are more willing to go out of their way and help you otherwise they might think you’re weird like me
When I trained in Japan, I went to both a CTC and a sport school. Both used curriculum, both had cards, and I learned SO MUCH in two years. The CTC combatives and master cycle were so beneficial. If you’re near a CTC, check them out!
I quit competitive Jiu Jitsu at blue belt because while I was getting ‘tough’ something was missing. I have since found the Gracie Combative online course. THIS is what I was looking for and what I was missing. I just wish I was close to a school or could find someone to train with. I live in a small mountain town and have a very physical job. The Gracie system is perfect for me. Maybe one day I’ll move close to a school
How do you practice? The closest Gracie school to me is about 1.5 hours. I currently attend a gym alot closer (like 20 min), and it is a good gym overall... but I like that the Gracie system is a set curriculum. My gym is more traditional. You just keep going to practice and the prof will give you stripes/promos as he feels you've earned it. Which is fine, I don't mind that... but I do wish I had a list of techniques so I could watch videos and things on my own. He usually gives us the japanese names of the techniques, which I can never remember by the end of class lol I thought about the online thing... but how can you practice techniques without another person?
I have been training since 1997 and I quit so many bjj schools out of frustration because they taught by the let's pull a technique out of a hat style of teaching. Plus they never taught concepts and guard retention. They just let students make the same damn mistakes over and over again. And it's still like this. I just quit a school because it has no curriculum and when I asked if he would create a curriculum or if we could train Gracie Combatives the instructor would change the subject.
Sales pitch aside, the Gracie Combatives DVD set is amazing. The structure, the instructions, clarity, presentation & thoroughness is unmatched. Are there any BJJ DVDs that are as good or better? If you know of any, please share. ✌🏽
💯 Agreed. Unfortunately I don’t have a “decent” BJJ school near me. Because of having children & being a single parent, it’s not feasible for me to travel 1:15 minutes away for a class (or I actually would) - so the DVDs have been a life saver. When I have the chance I practice them with my father, with my son, with my girlfriend. It’s great that they show you how to practice alone, but there is no substitutions for having a partner.
@@shrimuyopa8117 I watched a clip of him demonstrating the step by step process of applying an RNC, and the man is obviously a combat genius. He went as far as to talk about the thickness of the different areas of the hand on your choking arm and the best way to apply it against a trained opponent who is resisting.
This Feb I started the Combatives program at Gracie Jiujitsu Apple Valley, CA. Love it! I agree. Its a very well structured program. I highly recommend it.
Hey, tonight I was just checking out their website.... Gracie Apple Valley. I'll be moving to victorville california in a few months. Are you still loving it. I'm 38 never done BJJ and NOT flexible yet. Any info helps.
@@tsapp2831 its been over a year since that comment. Still love it! Got my Combatives belt and now my blue belt. I’m 34. Love it. Come in. You will little by little get the conditioning. You dont need to be an athlete to learn.
True stuff here. I drive an hour, 2 days each week, just to train at a Gracie gym near me. This program is awesome, and the instructor who teaches it is such a nice guy. Best Bjj experience I've had.
Come on guys. I was in the Army in South Korea in 2005 and they taught these techniques. Honestly I have to say I can use an arm bar to this day, 16 years later to defend myself. Although I’m out of practice for a long time. You never forget it. It’s so basic. Man I’m out of shape now and haven’t even thought about Army combative program for over 10 years. But I suddenly ran across these Gracie UA-cam videos and it has 100% rejuvenated my interest. I mean omg I remember when I was practicing for the very first time on the very FIRST day of training in Korea on these techniques, I beat a guy who was like at least 50 pounds heavier and this arm bar worked, that I just learned one time on the same day. I somehow managed to roll my self over and grab his fist and pull it over as I laid on his side and he submitted. That was completely crazy. This is a completely random comment from me. I never thought about this for a long time. But my son has been bullied a bit at school later and I wasn’t even searching self defense techniques but found this after it showed up on my feed. BLUF: I’m sold on this!! That arm bar submission that I did on my physically superior friends was so satisfying…I’m laughing as I type this. I had no confidence I was going to win. But I did!! Lol wow. Now I need to find a place here in Fort Wayne, Indiana for me an my son to get back in to it.
I feel like he’s talking about Gracie Barra on the second example. If anyone is fixated on the basics or self defense then you can go to the GB1 course. They literally have a class for it and there are vids/online material on it. It’s very much less sport and most rolls (YOU CAN ONLY ROLL ON YOUR SECOND STRIPE) in the classes are positional training situations meaning no submissions. The course is also very well organized and follows a chart you LITERALLY see on the wall. The sport is the most fun but when ppl want more self defense/ basics that aren’t “sport” we just tell them go back to GB1. It’s no shame. There are purple belts that sometimes take those classes so I’m a bit confused of this guys explanation. Maybe no one told them there are basic classes he can take or he straight out went to the advance class hours because of scheduling?
Here is why: white belts are just grappling dummies in almost all gyms. It's pretty remarkable he kept trying. Most people quit after one try (or zero tries) and quite frankly they should until Jiu Jitsu is taught properly. Is Gracie BJJ perfect? I doubt it but at least they recognize the problem, are trying, and are continuously improving. In 15-20 years will they own the podium? They might, but that's not necessarily the proper yardstick.
I’m seriously thinking about signing up at the Gracie Academy in Chandler AZ in the next week or two, Had a confrontation last week with a hot-head and at 41, I want to be more confident in my ability to protect myself and my family hand-to-hand without resorting to pulling out pepper spray or my legally concealed 9mm. I pulled neither during the confrontation, btw.
Thank you, pinpoints my experience exactly. Some of the big schools are overly focused on sport bjj to try to be competetive, I'm sure I know which bjj schools they're talking about lol
My experience exactly. Without any specific beginner oriented instructions, the fundamentals, I was just lost and overwhelmed. I lasted 4 classes but ultimately felt like I was wasting the other students time as many of them were training for local tournaments.
Thats normal at the beginning. Other students should be able to show the newbies some fundamentals. I am training with a new guy every week and you have to give them a hand
You haven’t been to one of their classes. Each one teaches two techniques: one ground, one standing. They do detailed breakdowns of each move, building one “slice” on the next, and you practice with a partner over and over. It doesn’t seem like you could learn much in a short time, but trust me…you do. Rener is my instructor and he’s a damn legend.
As a beginner who quit, I can confirm some form of structure would've prevented me from quitting. I went a few times to a much smaller gym and I felt like their wasn't a place for me; the instructor would tell everyone to do something and I never knew what they were talking about. I lasted three classes and never went back.
Exactly my experience! Over the years I tried 2 different schools from well known instructors. I got told I was I competing in a tournament after 1 month of "training" (getting smashed). I had no idea what I was doing, why I was getting smashed just trying to survive the 25 min. warmup, absorb a technique for 15 mins. and then getting crushed for 25 mins of rolling. I've always loved watching and learning about JJ. I never had any hope of being able to learn it until I found a CTC school (shout out to Professor Moreno and his awesome instructors!). Your system and curriculum is perfect!
I train at a competition gym but is Gracie lineage through Robson and Renzo and they have a solid fundamentals class first with mentoring and solid instruction. Great place and yes there is a difference because the principles of self defense and the "Connections" based instruction is so critical.
This Rener dude can talk under water. If I had to listen to that hammering in my ears, I would expect at least 30 free lessons as fair compensation! 😅🤣😂
First school was probably 10th Planet (because he said it was mostly no gi) the second was probably Gracie Barra (most known and popular school, more sport oriented)
I go to a Relson Gracie academy and LOVE IT ! 59, white belt, 3 months in….even got to meet Relson ! I am old and overweight with little gas tank but everyone is welcoming and very helpful. I am there for exercise and self defense…I dont really care about sports JJ. Anyway, I’m very happy !
I can’t talk for where you went man. But you could go to the best school ever once and “learn nothing” If the people there where able to control you. You would have at least realised you could learn to do that.
@@matt4393 If you go to a GU school, you will NEVER walk away learning nothing on your first day. At GU, EVERY student is taught the trap and roll as part of a private intro with the head instructor. This happens before said student joins in.
@@Leo-iq7um mate the brand of school isn’t the most important thing. The professor who runs it and the people that train there are? What options are available to you where you are?
I’m currently at 2 different Bjj schools and I do not plan on leaving do to loving the sport but I am now enrolled in Gracie university due to lacking structure and self defense principles. I decided to jump head in and enrolled in the ctc instructor program hoping to get certified as a trainer and bring the self defense aspect of jiujitsu into my area.
I’m 5 lessons in on Gracie Combative’s at a ctc School in w Seattle. So grateful for the ease of the class, don’t get me wrong I leave sweating and feeling it, but it all builds on itself… if your considering jumping in, go for it. FYI for the ladies they are also starting a women only class, (Women empowered) there’s a open house event coming up For that too. Tori, will be the instructor for that. (She’s great too)
I can relate to this guy so much, I went to a trial class at 10P and was paired with a green belt twice my size who as you can imagine was way above what I could handle I thought I’d stick with it so had to sign up if I wanted another class but in the end i wasn’t happy with the “teaching”, the instructor/owner would simply show the class the technique to practice then go sit at his desk which wasn’t even overlooking the mats So he wasn’t even making sure I was paired up with anyone or correcting any mistakes the students might be making Unfortunately I was locked into a 6 month contract so had to pay for 5 months that I didn’t even use I am now at Gracie Barra and the instructors are way superior to my experience at 10P the detail they go into is fantastic and they actually walk around the mat giving pointers if your not too sure what your doing 😂 I’m in the Uk so what is the difference between the Gracie Academy/University compared to going to a Gracie Barra ?
hes right tho, I tried myself 2 different schools of BJJ and it was just straight into the action with no emphasis that I am actually brand new and maybe I should begin or learn a certain way. I remember the first thing ever my BJJ teacher showed us and it was a guard pass into side control into americana.. and of course I thought it looked very cool, but I had problems executing everything myself and I just felt dumb for not getting it correctly right away. And the next class of course we were doing something completely else.. and it all just felt kind of foggy or lost in my mind when I didnt have a sense that I really know the knowledge that Ive been shown plus that I have no idea whats to come next..
yep.. and this is why I will not go to those schools. I need structure, and a compass and a curriculum. I was military for 10 years, and this is what I am used too. And it is the best way to get good at something. other than that it turns into a shit show and I would end up quitting!
I just started bjjlastvyear before pandemic came. Im just continuing it this past few months. Any tips on what to focus on as a beginner? Really appreciate it coming from a master 😊
Im generally curious. I come from a school where sport jiu jitsu is the focus. The idea behind that is that once you are decent at BJJ (sport), you will be able to handle yourself in a self defense situation. On the flip side......how do you spar daily at a self defense focused school? Is there no guard pulling involved? Also no open guard at all? I would more than likely not use any of those techniques in a real self defense situation however it would seem pretty boring drilling and sparring the same self defense concepts daily vs learning all aspects of BJJ that you might need in a competition. Would really like to understand from someone who attends a self defense focused school.
I'll give it a shot. I trained at 3 different schools and been around BJJ for 12 years. I started off learning sport jiu jitsu (unknowingly) and now train at a CTC. There are some exceptions based on the head instructors discretion but you have to pass the Gracie Combatives training, first, before you are allowed to start hard rolling which begins as a blue belt. They purposely don't allow white belts to hard roll to prevent students from dropping out or quitting jiu jitsu due to injuries or others being too rough on them in the early phase. You get two inexperienced spazzy white belts or a rough blue belt against a white belt, someone will get an injured and quit. A caring rational instructors wants to avoid all that and retain students...(this makes sense from a business perspective and also from an empathy perspective as well). Yes training always carry risk but you want to reduce it as much as you can. Essentially GJJ fundamentals BJJ foundational training(Gracie Combatives)is for you to be aware and hyperfocused against possible strikes punches, knees, kicks and bites during all phases of the grappling exchange against an untrained opponent. People who are untrained attacks you and moves differently than someone who does train. If you ever rolled with a strong/spazzy white belt in their first few days of class...its feel different, almost, awkward, because they don't move like jiu jitsu people do. When you get to blue belt which is the beginning of the (master cycle) is when you learn techniques and concepts of jiu jitsu vs jiu jitsu. The self defense is what gets ingrained in you as your foundation and you never lose that in GJJ. The Master Cycle is now what will be effective against another jiu jitsu person. Sport doesn't focus on self defense. Sport BJJ focus on rules that is allowed in competition. You don't need to worry about punches in competition because it's not allowed. So you trained to the rule set. After experiencing both Sport and Self Defense the SD GJJ philosophy is more practical to me. Nothing wrong with sport though just know your not learning self defense.
I definitely think there should be a better introductory curriculum for someone that has zero grappling experience at most places. I've trained at two gyms now. One a smaller more traditional BJJ school and another a 10P. Both have incredible instructors and communities, but i find that throwing a noobie into live rolling on day one to be a confusing mess for them.
My opinion GU is Helio/Rorian philosophy/style based jiu jitsu. Gracie Barra is (Carlos Gracie Jr.) IBJJF/sport/tournament focused based jiu jitsu and any BJJ schools is a hybrid of sport/mma
Is gracie barra a bad school? I just signed up to a small branch close to my house started my first class today. What do you guys think is it. A bad school to start at? I have other options but honestly it felt really good and there was aa set beginner curriculum that they follow
I took Gracie barra a couple years ago and I am enrolling again in a couple days. I was thinking about Gracie academy but honestly I think they overhype their program plus I like competing and I don’t think Gracie academy does that
They are a good school and do have a good system. They have their fundamentals class (which is the self defense curriculm) then the advanced stuff later on. Nothing wrong with GB, but they do have the obvious competition part of their base which seems to be what people focus on (for good or bad)!! Give it a chance and enjoy it!!!
The card provides a contextual element of what success looks like in a language the new student has never spoke before….you see the card, the descriptions and 100 boxes and think….I can pull this off. And as you go on the box checking journey you get addicted to the never ending puzzle of jiu jitsu….once you wake up to the fact that there is an invisible card with a million boxes to check on your jiu jitsu mastery journey you are not disappointed as you are already sold on the positive impacts jiu jitsu has made on your life! While the other schools are likely awesome in their own right, the issue is when you walk into a room that you don’t know the language being spoke and are introduced to some supper technical move then all you see is the million box card and only a few will accept a million box journey without first understanding that the journey is achievable
That's awesome. There are also some Gracie Academy schools run by people who have black belts both under Rener and Eddie. Not all 10p schools are guilty of neglecting newcomers, that's just this one dude's experience.
Really dude, he has no jui jitsu, takes one class at each school and decides it’s not practical and have a video interview with him to disrespect other academies to praise your own? You just lost my respect. Why don’t you just present what you have to offer, it’s good by itself without insulting others. You don’t even have the exact context of the classes he joined. Anyways, focus on yourself instead of criticizing others.
And yet, who is dominating at the highest level? DDS, Checkmat, Atos, etc. Oh yeah, and why should we match beginner's classes to what people who know nothing about BJJ are expecting? They literally know nothing about BJJ.
I'll say this, there's a lot to be said for on-ramping people with basics, especially if you have a large enough school for that; but in general I'm not that impressed by this video.
Gracie Academy does not focus on sport Jiu-Jitsu. You're missing the entire point about Gracie Academy's approach. New students go into a DDS/Atos School, etc expecting self-defense. Instead they get thrown into a points-based sport environment, with a higher risk of injury.
Sit the new student down and talk to them on their first day…..I’ve been at BJJ gyms for years and never had a conversation longer than 4 sentences with the head instructors…
A martial arts school without a curriculum is equivalent to going a gym without a program and just winging it. You may get big and strong by accident but a proper proper program with a starting point and an end point will get you there faster
Man, this is really timely for me. There's a Carlos Gracie affiliated academy as well as a Wander Braga affiliated academy, plus a couple others. Would really like your input on academies in Humboldt County, CA, if you have any
Great let’s trust the judgement of a white belt with 2 classes experience on wether what he should learn in jiu Jitsu or not, what is “too technical “ and what is “too sportsy”. If he was jumping schools already that fast in his journey, he is one of those people who likes to tell the teacher what he should be taught
@@mx-lj4qq nothing, remember that everything this guy post is just propaganda for his gym or “gracie” jiu jitsu. Some people are looking for jiu jitsu gyms to learn self defense and some to learn sport jiu jitsu and compete. Either way is completely fine.
Rener has always been so salesy lol. When I first meet someone like that my BS detector turns on and I immediately don’t trust them in general (no offense Rener lol). It’s harder for them to convince me what they’re trying to sell is a good product vs someone who is more casual. HOWEVER, I went to the GJA for a few months and let me tell you Rener is not lying. The combatives system is so good that if you master it that will be all you’ll need for 95% of fights (including against other BJJ practitioners). They tell you this themselves and it’s true. It sucks I had to stop going bc of an injury but in the 6 months I attended I learned so much! And yes, you can literally walk in knowing nothing to any class and you won’t have a problem. All while not compromising the learning experience for more advanced students in the class. So yeah, I think Rener is just excited bc he knows how good the combatives system is. So for those of you who are distrusting like me Rener (and Ryron) are the real deal! You won’t regret going to the academy but beware you might get hooked like me. I was going 2x a day and I still couldn’t get enough lol.
Let me guess, 10th Planet and Gracie Barra? Lololol! We all see Rener using this as a sales pitch, but I 100% agree honestly. It's really weird how most BJJ schools don't have a set curriculum for beginners etc.
Those would be my guesses too.
And they still don’t believe…
@@shrimuyopa8117 why not 5 advanced classes and 5 beginner classes? Different times, same instructor, no need for an extra instructor. And as an advanced belt, I still take the beginner classes when I can. Always learn something new and clean up my fundamentals.
I was thinking the same thing. I'm new and been to about 4 schools. The best for me is $$$ and far away. But I found one that is local. The problem you can encounter is technique variation. But standardization and welcoming is the key for me.
@@shrimuyopa8117 Many GU schools are smaller than a 10P or GB school, yet they manage to still teach Combatives a couple of nights a week.
Rener really Renering it up today! 😄
Joe's experience is a common one. Before I discovered Gracie Jiu-Jitsu I'd tried a couple other schools in different states-also HUGE organizations with instant name recognition. One treated me like new meat, kinda just threw me in there with blue and purple belts to see how I'd handle it, this being with ZERO classes-EVER. I'd of loved this type of challenge having been ultra-competitive-when I was YOUNG, but I was almost 57 at the time, WAY past my prime. The second promised me self-defense techniques but I was fooled. It was a competition academy. I found my home with Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. I LOVE their teaching methodology, the synergy, the camaraderie, the SELF-DEFENSE FIRST mindset, the absolute best kids' program, the Women Empowered program, and their work with LE.
I found the exact same experience. Absolutely love it!
Dear Lord ... this sounds like my experience almost verbatim. I'm 50 and heart-sick knowing I'll never be able to train authentic/traditional, self-defense focused Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. But very happy for you. Good luck with your training.
I be willing to roll if they throw my into the wolf den . But then I do what I do as well like punching them in the neck open palm striking in the throat eye jabbing . Plus I train in breaking blocks . All I can say my fist is like an elbow strike in comparison. For those who know Brian Gray then you know what I do . Does it make me a martail artist ? No it doesn't . But either way you won't like it as well . I use knees, elbows, fist and slapping methods and I can say I fair well .
Took me almost 20 years to find a school with great fundamentals. Finally found it at GU
What is "GU". ???
@@MonacoRocha Gracie University in Torrance Ca
@@CJfunctional ok.. thanks. .. the basics are the most important... I trained at Tristar gym in montreal ( GSP Rory McDonald & Many More... No Basics class they Throw you in There & Good Luck...
@@MonacoRocha I started grappling that way. I joined GU 3 years ago. I play with the master cycle class, but I also take combatives so I can truly understand what I’m doing. Im better for it. But nothing wrong with the shark tank approach either I did that for 18 years. Just older and wiser now!
@@CJfunctional I'm 65 as of yesterday been in great shape since I was 5 Karate Swimming Up Hill sprinting Yoga Jogging boxing I never stopped training I train every day 1 or 2 days a week Bike riding .I have no Injuries... I will try it again bjj .... Slow & relaxed Rolling.. Thanks
I always use the following system for beginner students, the rest of the world should follow along:
Passing guard 3 min.
Escape side control 3 min.
Escape mount 3 min.
Escape back guard 3 min.
Escape back mount 3 min.
Escape knee on belly 3 min.
Chokes & escapes:
Rear choke
Guillotine choke
Triangle choke
Head and arm choke
Arm locks:
Arm bar
Kimura
Key lock
Omoplata
Leg locks:
Calf crank
Toe hold
Knee bar
Heel hook
Yes I teach beginners leg locks and defense early on.
After they do the position escapes and 12 submissions, they learn butterfly guard sweep, elevator sweep and basic lasso sweep.
This simple program sets a solid foundation and understanding of Grappling fundamentals.
Aloha from Hawai’i 🥋 🤙🏻
I'm pretty sure I'm at one of the schools described in this video. I've realized if I dont want to wait through the 16 week set curriculem to have some sort of idea what I want out of each position I'm going to have to teach myself. I'm going to youtube videos on each of these topics, thank you
Half of this is not relevant for real fighting where striking is involved.
No headlock escapes, no striking escapes, no clinch work, no takedowns, you're not preparing your students for someone trying to beat their face in.
@@tjl4688 oh for sure I realize that. It’s not an MMA program it’s a submission wrestling program that caters to the sport of grappling.
We have a street self defense system as well
Learning jiu jitsu from a used car salesman… no thanks
Many schools fail in having more "all level" classes and not very much of a focus on beginners, usually one class a week but what if you can't make it Thursday nights or Saturday mornings?
Yeah, I have ran into that. There are schools around me that have several "fundamentals" class but also have a bunch of more advanced students attending them and the instructor gears the class toward the advanced students. Which means beginning students take a long time to actually gain any fundamentals. Also ran into several students who think every roll is a championship match.
Sacrifice, make those classes, no one is going to learn bjj for you.
@@powerboon2k Lighten up Francis. For some of us there is this thing called a life: job, family commitments. If you are working during those classes, you can't attend...unless you decide to "sacrifice" your job but then how are you going to pay for your training. If you don't sacrifice your job, I have been told I could take private lessons. The cost of those started at $75 an hour (and went up depending on the instructor). 4 private lessons + regular training cost per month = $450 a month. 2 private lessons and regular training would be $300 a month. Yes that would sacrifice my budget. We are just trying to find the best school with the best class times and also provides the best fit for what we would like to do. I want self defense and conditioning but almost all the schools around me emphasize sport and competition.
@The Tide Rises Most of the schools around here, being an instructor is their full time job (usually 2-3 full time instructors and 3-4 part time instructors). Yes, you can prioritize your time but if the classes aren't available when you can go, it doesn't help. If you can't change your work schedule, say you get off shift at 6:30 pm, and are 20 miles away from the school, it is tough making that basics class that started at 6pm. In the big city places, most of the "fundamental" classes are full of advanced students and they are no longer true basics classes. Seriously, I did a Groupon for one school and I would actually do about 15 minutes out of each of an hour long "basics" classes because they were working advanced techniques for an upcoming competition. Oh, there was always an upcoming competition as I was there for 6 weeks.
Normaly, in that case it should be possible to go to the advanced classes, if you are a beginner.
Same. My first experience left me thinking there should be a ground school just to learn the system.
I am with a 'recognised name' BJJ gym:
1. On my first day I was rolling with coloured belts and had no idea of what was happening (the martial arts equivalent of throwing someone in the deep end of the pool)
2. Classes are ad-hoc, which doesn't allow building on lessons from previous classes to perfect the movements
3. From day one, I was trying to learning complex maneuvres that I had no chance to execute, let alone remember
4. I had no idea for about 3 months what a hip escape was used for (they were yelling at me to do it when rolling, I could not connect what I thought was a warm-up exercise, to a BJJ move)
5. There is no context as to why I was doing maneuvres, or in which situations I would use them
6. When rolling they yell terms that you have no idea the meaning of "posture up", "pass", "don't give them your arm", "do a little bump" (yes, I worked it out eventually, but just illustrating how I was rolling before I knew what this meant)
7. Rolling is hard-out and I often come home with bruises on my face and have been told that injuries are a part of BJJ (still don't know what other gyms think about this. My personal view (at this stage) is that rolling hard before purple belt is a counter productive and a waste of time - but then again, I am a white belt).
8. I later realised after joining there was 'beginner classes' which consists of a room of white belts, some of who are not stopped from being maniacs on the mat. They are rolling with muscle and force (which is not what I thought BJJ was all about)
9. There is a little pressure to enter competitions held at the gym, between other members of the gym.
10. During my time when I was rolling, I was never told which positions were good, which were bad, and what you want to avoid (e.g. I only realised a few nights ago that grips from your opponent are bad)
11. I felt defenceless (still do at times) from not knowing what is bad. How am I am supposed to know defend what I an unaware of ? (Isn't awareness the first step in self defence?)
I feel like quitting, but can't bring myself to tell the instructor who is such a great guy. The thing is, I 100% believe it is normal to him and is how he learned in Brazil, and I respect him a lot and really like him. The issue is that I am not 21 anymore and don't feel that it is sustainable, long term. I don't really know what to do. Give it a bit more time or quit. Maybe I am coming through to a point where the 'school of hard knocks' is paying off a bit, I just don't know.
Would appreciate any advice from someone who has been through the school of hard knocks method.
Have you tried any other gyms in the area?
@@josephmoreau9615 @josephmoreau9615 - By way of update, a young purple belt at the academy put me in a loop choke and cranked it. I thought my head was going to pop off. His, and the academy's carelessness and the nonchalance were the reasons for me quitting. Nothing personal, I really like the guys at the academy, I need to focus on longevity in the sport. I don't want to be competitor or street fighter. I found a Gracie Garage in my area though, and have since earned my Gracie Combatives belt, which was a massive achievement for me. I started at the Gracie Garage a long while before I quit the academy, where I was rolling pretty hard, and the Combatives moves worked extremely well. The best thing that Combatives taught me was to relax (thanks to Ryron!), escape, and gain control (also safe hands, and stay punch safe). I completely took submissions out of my game so I can perfect escapes and control positions. I don't think there is any point focusing on submissions until you can control your opponent.
@@sidesplitters , congratulations on finding a place to train that suits you!
@@josephmoreau9615 thanks man, it was the best decision. What do you do for training?
You didn’t ask “ what’s this used for or what’s a bump” it took u 3 months?
I totally understand your frustration about being thrown into the deep end. I had my ribs, bruised, and didn’t know what I was doing or where I was even at on the mat. I was blind, but don’t be afraid to ask questions in actuality if you show true interest, and are honest about not knowing and ask for help people are more willing to go out of their way and help you otherwise they might think you’re weird like me
When I trained in Japan, I went to both a CTC and a sport school. Both used curriculum, both had cards, and I learned SO MUCH in two years. The CTC combatives and master cycle were so beneficial. If you’re near a CTC, check them out!
I quit competitive Jiu Jitsu at blue belt because while I was getting ‘tough’ something was missing. I have since found the Gracie Combative online course. THIS is what I was looking for and what I was missing. I just wish I was close to a school or could find someone to train with. I live in a small mountain town and have a very physical job. The Gracie system is perfect for me. Maybe one day I’ll move close to a school
Which state are you in?
@@josephmoreau9615 Colorado. I am 3 hours from a Gracie school or garage.
How do you practice?
The closest Gracie school to me is about 1.5 hours. I currently attend a gym alot closer (like 20 min), and it is a good gym overall... but I like that the Gracie system is a set curriculum. My gym is more traditional. You just keep going to practice and the prof will give you stripes/promos as he feels you've earned it. Which is fine, I don't mind that... but I do wish I had a list of techniques so I could watch videos and things on my own.
He usually gives us the japanese names of the techniques, which I can never remember by the end of class lol
I thought about the online thing... but how can you practice techniques without another person?
@@josephmoreau9615colorado
Same here. Denver area is closest to me
I have been training since 1997 and I quit so many bjj schools out of frustration because they taught by the let's pull a technique out of a hat style of teaching. Plus they never taught concepts and guard retention. They just let students make the same damn mistakes over and over again. And it's still like this. I just quit a school because it has no curriculum and when I asked if he would create a curriculum or if we could train Gracie Combatives the instructor would change the subject.
having a Curriculum and a Basic BJJ class is a very important part of training
This is precisely what my experience was. Went to beginners class and none of the basics were covered at all. So confusing
Sales pitch aside, the Gracie Combatives DVD set is amazing. The structure, the instructions, clarity, presentation & thoroughness is unmatched.
Are there any BJJ DVDs that are as good or better? If you know of any, please share. ✌🏽
💯 Agreed. Unfortunately I don’t have a “decent” BJJ school near me. Because of having children & being a single parent, it’s not feasible for me to travel 1:15 minutes away for a class (or I actually would) - so the DVDs have been a life saver. When I have the chance I practice them with my father, with my son, with my girlfriend. It’s great that they show you how to practice alone, but there is no substitutions for having a partner.
@@shrimuyopa8117 I watched a clip of him demonstrating the step by step process of applying an RNC, and the man is obviously a combat genius. He went as far as to talk about the thickness of the different areas of the hand on your choking arm and the best way to apply it against a trained opponent who is resisting.
Cesar Gracie’s tapes were pretty informative
I have been to three different schools and I have been hurt every single time! I am now at a CTC! Thanks Rener and Ryron!
This Feb I started the Combatives program at Gracie Jiujitsu Apple Valley, CA. Love it! I agree. Its a very well structured program. I highly recommend it.
Hey, tonight I was just checking out their website.... Gracie Apple Valley. I'll be moving to victorville california in a few months. Are you still loving it. I'm 38 never done BJJ and NOT flexible yet. Any info helps.
@@tsapp2831 its been over a year since that comment. Still love it! Got my Combatives belt and now my blue belt. I’m 34. Love it. Come in. You will little by little get the conditioning. You dont need to be an athlete to learn.
True stuff here. I drive an hour, 2 days each week, just to train at a Gracie gym near me. This program is awesome, and the instructor who teaches it is such a nice guy. Best Bjj experience I've had.
Come on guys. I was in the Army in South Korea in 2005 and they taught these techniques. Honestly I have to say I can use an arm bar to this day, 16 years later to defend myself. Although I’m out of practice for a long time. You never forget it. It’s so basic. Man I’m out of shape now and haven’t even thought about Army combative program for over 10 years. But I suddenly ran across these Gracie UA-cam videos and it has 100% rejuvenated my interest. I mean omg I remember when I was practicing for the very first time on the very FIRST day of training in Korea on these techniques, I beat a guy who was like at least 50 pounds heavier and this arm bar worked, that I just learned one time on the same day. I somehow managed to roll my self over and grab his fist and pull it over as I laid on his side and he submitted. That was completely crazy.
This is a completely random comment from me. I never thought about this for a long time. But my son has been bullied a bit at school later and I wasn’t even searching self defense techniques but found this after it showed up on my feed. BLUF: I’m sold on this!! That arm bar submission that I did on my physically superior friends was so satisfying…I’m laughing as I type this. I had no confidence I was going to win. But I did!! Lol wow. Now I need to find a place here in Fort Wayne, Indiana for me an my son to get back in to it.
Hey, did you enroll your school into bjj now?
I feel like he’s talking about Gracie Barra on the second example. If anyone is fixated on the basics or self defense then you can go to the GB1 course. They literally have a class for it and there are vids/online material on it. It’s very much less sport and most rolls (YOU CAN ONLY ROLL ON YOUR SECOND STRIPE) in the classes are positional training situations meaning no submissions. The course is also very well organized and follows a chart you LITERALLY see on the wall. The sport is the most fun but when ppl want more self defense/ basics that aren’t “sport” we just tell them go back to GB1. It’s no shame. There are purple belts that sometimes take those classes so I’m a bit confused of this guys explanation. Maybe no one told them there are basic classes he can take or he straight out went to the advance class hours because of scheduling?
Damn... that's some black belt in marcketing.
Here is why: white belts are just grappling dummies in almost all gyms. It's pretty remarkable he kept trying. Most people quit after one try (or zero tries) and quite frankly they should until Jiu Jitsu is taught properly. Is Gracie BJJ perfect? I doubt it but at least they recognize the problem, are trying, and are continuously improving. In 15-20 years will they own the podium? They might, but that's not necessarily the proper yardstick.
You can feel the passion and love not just for the art but, to ensure students are taught with the highest quality and success of Brazilian Jiu jitsu.
I’m seriously thinking about signing up at the Gracie Academy in Chandler AZ in the next week or two, Had a confrontation last week with a hot-head and at 41, I want to be more confident in my ability to protect myself and my family hand-to-hand without resorting to pulling out pepper spray or my legally concealed 9mm. I pulled neither during the confrontation, btw.
Thank you, pinpoints my experience exactly. Some of the big schools are overly focused on sport bjj to try to be competetive, I'm sure I know which bjj schools they're talking about lol
Bjj schools curriculums nowadays are you getting ragged dolled by colored belts until you get the hang of yet with no basic punch block self defense🤨
Second one is Gracie Barra
My experience exactly. Without any specific beginner oriented instructions, the fundamentals, I was just lost and overwhelmed. I lasted 4 classes but ultimately felt like I was wasting the other students time as many of them were training for local tournaments.
Thats normal at the beginning. Other students should be able to show the newbies some fundamentals. I am training with a new guy every week and you have to give them a hand
Please plant a school in Yakima, WA! Love the system and videos!
Rener, listening to your guest and as he said he is looking for Self Defense. Self Defense is where it is at without a doubt.
Just took my first class at a Gracie Academy and I’m glad I watched this video because it assures me I made the right decision on where to train at!
How can somebody have and idea just from two classes?
You haven’t been to one of their classes. Each one teaches two techniques: one ground, one standing. They do detailed breakdowns of each move, building one “slice” on the next, and you practice with a partner over and over. It doesn’t seem like you could learn much in a short time, but trust me…you do. Rener is my instructor and he’s a damn legend.
Rener was a used car salesman or maybe an evangelical preacher in a former life.
As a beginner who quit, I can confirm some form of structure would've prevented me from quitting. I went a few times to a much smaller gym and I felt like their wasn't a place for me; the instructor would tell everyone to do something and I never knew what they were talking about. I lasted three classes and never went back.
You quit cause you’re weak. No ones fault for that.
Gener is a marketing genius.
Let me guess... 10th planet and AOJ (art of jiu-jitsu)? Or 10th Planet and Gracie Barra?
Exactly my experience! Over the years I tried 2 different schools from well known instructors. I got told I was I competing in a tournament after 1 month of "training" (getting smashed). I had no idea what I was doing, why I was getting smashed just trying to survive the 25 min. warmup, absorb a technique for 15 mins. and then getting crushed for 25 mins of rolling. I've always loved watching and learning about JJ. I never had any hope of being able to learn it until I found a CTC school (shout out to Professor Moreno and his awesome instructors!). Your system and curriculum is perfect!
I train at a competition gym but is Gracie lineage through Robson and Renzo and they have a solid fundamentals class first with mentoring and solid instruction. Great place and yes there is a difference because the principles of self defense and the "Connections" based instruction is so critical.
This Rener dude can talk under water. If I had to listen to that hammering in my ears, I would expect at least 30 free lessons as fair compensation! 😅🤣😂
First school was probably 10th Planet (because he said it was mostly no gi) the second was probably Gracie Barra (most known and popular school, more sport oriented)
Gracie Barra has a curriculum and they do self defense so no, not Gracie Barra
I go to a Relson Gracie academy and LOVE IT !
59, white belt, 3 months in….even got to meet Relson ! I am old and overweight with little gas tank but everyone is welcoming and very helpful. I am there for exercise and self defense…I dont really care about sports JJ.
Anyway, I’m very happy !
Gracie Barra and 10th Planet. Lol
I tried one class 3 years ago. Too many people. Learned nothing. Back hurt. Didn’t go back. Wasn’t for beginners.
I can’t talk for where you went man. But you could go to the best school ever once and “learn nothing”
If the people there where able to control you. You would have at least realised you could learn to do that.
@@matt4393 If you go to a GU school, you will NEVER walk away learning nothing on your first day.
At GU, EVERY student is taught the trap and roll as part of a private intro with the head instructor. This happens before said student joins in.
What school should
I go to
@@Leo-iq7um mate the brand of school isn’t the most important thing. The professor who runs it and the people that train there are?
What options are available to you where you are?
@@matt4393 I’m in Toronto area and yes the instructors are important. I have no idea what to look forward too anymore.
I'm doing research now, and it would be helpful to understand what schools that he went to..
I understand exactly were this guys coming from
Let’s try to guess which 2 academies they’re talking about guys lol . I’ll go first … graciebarra and 10th planet ..
Gracie barra has a curriculum so no, not Gracie Barra
I’m currently at 2 different Bjj schools and I do not plan on leaving do to loving the sport but I am now enrolled in Gracie university due to lacking structure and self defense principles. I decided to jump head in and enrolled in the ctc instructor program hoping to get certified as a trainer and bring the self defense aspect of jiujitsu into my area.
I’m 5 lessons in on Gracie Combative’s at a ctc School in w Seattle. So grateful for the ease of the class, don’t get me wrong I leave sweating and feeling it, but it all builds on itself… if your considering jumping in, go for it.
FYI for the ladies they are also starting a women only class, (Women empowered) there’s a open house event coming up For that too. Tori, will be the instructor for that. (She’s great too)
I can relate to this guy so much, I went to a trial class at 10P and was paired with a green belt twice my size who as you can imagine was way above what I could handle
I thought I’d stick with it so had to sign up if I wanted another class but in the end i wasn’t happy with the “teaching”, the instructor/owner would simply show the class the technique to practice then go sit at his desk which wasn’t even overlooking the mats
So he wasn’t even making sure I was paired up with anyone or correcting any mistakes the students might be making
Unfortunately I was locked into a 6 month contract so had to pay for 5 months that I didn’t even use
I am now at Gracie Barra and the instructors are way superior to my experience at 10P the detail they go into is fantastic and they actually walk around the mat giving pointers if your not too sure what your doing 😂
I’m in the Uk so what is the difference between the Gracie Academy/University compared to going to a Gracie Barra ?
hes right tho, I tried myself 2 different schools of BJJ and it was just straight into the action with no emphasis that I am actually brand new and maybe I should begin or learn a certain way. I remember the first thing ever my BJJ teacher showed us and it was a guard pass into side control into americana.. and of course I thought it looked very cool, but I had problems executing everything myself and I just felt dumb for not getting it correctly right away. And the next class of course we were doing something completely else.. and it all just felt kind of foggy or lost in my mind when I didnt have a sense that I really know the knowledge that Ive been shown plus that I have no idea whats to come next..
When you gonna open one of your center here in cologne, germany?
Same to me, my respect to my previous schools, but, at Gracie University Houston, I found what I am looking for. 🥋👍🏻
A martial arts gym is composed by: 20% of fighters and 80% of people who just want to be able to defend themselves and do some workout.
I wish we had a Gracie academy where I live jiu jitsu here is geared more toward competition rather then self defense
do you have schools in vancouver?
Most schools have classes or one class a week for beginners so I don't know who he's talking about.
yep.. and this is why I will not go to those schools. I need structure, and a compass and a curriculum. I was military for 10 years, and this is what I am used too. And it is the best way to get good at something. other than that it turns into a shit show and I would end up quitting!
I just started bjjlastvyear before pandemic came. Im just continuing it this past few months. Any tips on what to focus on as a beginner? Really appreciate it coming from a master 😊
Love the Flag on the wall! 🇺🇸. I lived in Brazil for 2 years, and love that Country too 🇧🇷
Atos, Alliance, or 10th Planet Jiu-jitsu is my guess. Not Gracie Barra because they have a curriculum.
My day 1 at a Gracie Barra school they were going over spider guard. Not a great way to start! A beginners curriculum would benefit every school.
Gracie Barra has a curriculum and they do self defense so no, not Gracie Barra
Im generally curious. I come from a school where sport jiu jitsu is the focus. The idea behind that is that once you are decent at BJJ (sport), you will be able to handle yourself in a self defense situation. On the flip side......how do you spar daily at a self defense focused school? Is there no guard pulling involved? Also no open guard at all? I would more than likely not use any of those techniques in a real self defense situation however it would seem pretty boring drilling and sparring the same self defense concepts daily vs learning all aspects of BJJ that you might need in a competition. Would really like to understand from someone who attends a self defense focused school.
I'll give it a shot. I trained at 3 different schools and been around BJJ for 12 years. I started off learning sport jiu jitsu (unknowingly) and now train at a CTC.
There are some exceptions based on the head instructors discretion but you have to pass the Gracie Combatives training, first, before you are allowed to start hard rolling which begins as a blue belt. They purposely don't allow white belts to hard roll to prevent students from dropping out or quitting jiu jitsu due to injuries or others being too rough on them in the early phase. You get two inexperienced spazzy white belts or a rough blue belt against a white belt, someone will get an injured and quit. A caring rational instructors wants to avoid all that and retain students...(this makes sense from a business perspective and also from an empathy perspective as well). Yes training always carry risk but you want to reduce it as much as you can.
Essentially GJJ fundamentals BJJ foundational training(Gracie Combatives)is for you to be aware and hyperfocused against possible strikes punches, knees, kicks and bites during all phases of the grappling exchange against an untrained opponent. People who are untrained attacks you and moves differently than someone who does train. If you ever rolled with a strong/spazzy white belt in their first few days of class...its feel different, almost, awkward, because they don't move like jiu jitsu people do.
When you get to blue belt which is the beginning of the (master cycle) is when you learn techniques and concepts of jiu jitsu vs jiu jitsu. The self defense is what gets ingrained in you as your foundation and you never lose that in GJJ. The Master Cycle is now what will be effective against another jiu jitsu person.
Sport doesn't focus on self defense. Sport BJJ focus on rules that is allowed in competition. You don't need to worry about punches in competition because it's not allowed. So you trained to the rule set.
After experiencing both Sport and Self Defense the SD GJJ philosophy is more practical to me. Nothing wrong with sport though just know your not learning self defense.
Gee, I wonder what big name Jiu Jitsu academy makes a first-day student train no gi?
I definitely think there should be a better introductory curriculum for someone that has zero grappling experience at most places. I've trained at two gyms now. One a smaller more traditional BJJ school and another a 10P. Both have incredible instructors and communities, but i find that throwing a noobie into live rolling on day one to be a confusing mess for them.
You guys have a academy in NYC but no showers
Anyone know if Cobrinha is “valid” or a good school only ones near my location
Is there a difference between Gracie, Gracie Barra and BJJ?
My opinion GU is Helio/Rorian philosophy/style based jiu jitsu. Gracie Barra is (Carlos Gracie Jr.) IBJJF/sport/tournament focused based jiu jitsu and any BJJ schools is a hybrid of sport/mma
Rener, I think you should have a class specifically for ex-wrestlers. Think it over.
10p and alliance maybe ?
Is gracie barra a bad school? I just signed up to a small branch close to my house started my first class today. What do you guys think is it. A bad school to start at? I have other options but honestly it felt really good and there was aa set beginner curriculum that they follow
I took Gracie barra a couple years ago and I am enrolling again in a couple days. I was thinking about Gracie academy but honestly I think they overhype their program plus I like competing and I don’t think Gracie academy does that
They are a good school and do have a good system. They have their fundamentals class (which is the self defense curriculm) then the advanced stuff later on. Nothing wrong with GB, but they do have the obvious competition part of their base which seems to be what people focus on (for good or bad)!! Give it a chance and enjoy it!!!
The card provides a contextual element of what success looks like in a language the new student has never spoke before….you see the card, the descriptions and 100 boxes and think….I can pull this off. And as you go on the box checking journey you get addicted to the never ending puzzle of jiu jitsu….once you wake up to the fact that there is an invisible card with a million boxes to check on your jiu jitsu mastery journey you are not disappointed as you are already sold on the positive impacts jiu jitsu has made on your life! While the other schools are likely awesome in their own right, the issue is when you walk into a room that you don’t know the language being spoke and are introduced to some supper technical move then all you see is the million box card and only a few will accept a million box journey without first understanding that the journey is achievable
Who’s joe?
I mean i get it its confusing for new students but that should make you hungry to keep coming back!!
My 10th Planet has a Fundamentals class and an all levels advanced class
That's awesome. There are also some Gracie Academy schools run by people who have black belts both under Rener and Eddie.
Not all 10p schools are guilty of neglecting newcomers, that's just this one dude's experience.
Alliance & Gracie Barra
Gracie Barra has a curriculum and they do self defense so no, not Gracie Barra
We might get one new person a week so we don't have the luxury to put them in a special pipe-line.
I want to train in the morning. There is only one school for me who offers this (10p btw). So my choice is easy.
Master Salesman
Such a joke you have got to be kidding me after one class ? At least wait 6 months.
Really dude, he has no jui jitsu, takes one class at each school and decides it’s not practical and have a video interview with him to disrespect other academies to praise your own? You just lost my respect. Why don’t you just present what you have to offer, it’s good by itself without insulting others. You don’t even have the exact context of the classes he joined. Anyways, focus on yourself instead of criticizing others.
The thing is Rener 100% right
And yet, who is dominating at the highest level? DDS, Checkmat, Atos, etc.
Oh yeah, and why should we match beginner's classes to what people who know nothing about BJJ are expecting? They literally know nothing about BJJ.
I'll say this, there's a lot to be said for on-ramping people with basics, especially if you have a large enough school for that; but in general I'm not that impressed by this video.
Gracie Academy does not focus on sport Jiu-Jitsu. You're missing the entire point about Gracie Academy's approach.
New students go into a DDS/Atos School, etc expecting self-defense. Instead they get thrown into a points-based sport environment, with a higher risk of injury.
Rener "The Interrupter" Gracie
Sit the new student down and talk to them on their first day…..I’ve been at BJJ gyms for years and never had a conversation longer than 4 sentences with the head instructors…
Sports JJ… one reason I feel like quitting.
NoGi might be the solution?
Nope. You're still gonna do sports focused stuff in no gi depending on the school
Dude it was and still is @ my school...sink or swim..turn into dust or a Diamond
A martial arts school without a curriculum is equivalent to going a gym without a program and just winging it. You may get big and strong by accident but a proper proper program with a starting point and an end point will get you there faster
Man, this is really timely for me. There's a Carlos Gracie affiliated academy as well as a Wander Braga affiliated academy, plus a couple others. Would really like your input on academies in Humboldt County, CA, if you have any
He on speed
Great let’s trust the judgement of a white belt with 2 classes experience on wether what he should learn in jiu Jitsu or not, what is “too technical “ and what is “too sportsy”. If he was jumping schools already that fast in his journey, he is one of those people who likes to tell the teacher what he should be taught
Yep. Good pet for rener's marketing tool tho
Definitely 10th planet 😂
Lesson 1. How to roll a joint
What's so bad about 10th planet ?
@@mx-lj4qq Everything is so bad about 10th planet. Shit gym.
@@dominicv964 you benn there personally? And please give a few examples
@@mx-lj4qq nothing, remember that everything this guy post is just propaganda for his gym or “gracie” jiu jitsu. Some people are looking for jiu jitsu gyms to learn self defense and some to learn sport jiu jitsu and compete. Either way is completely fine.
Gracie's please let people know that Kano jujitsu aka judo is just as effective as your style
Lol
Many BJJ teachers are also judo students, even black belts.
One is easily Gracie Barra
Looks like a hostage video
Rener has always been so salesy lol. When I first meet someone like that my BS detector turns on and I immediately don’t trust them in general (no offense Rener lol). It’s harder for them to convince me what they’re trying to sell is a good product vs someone who is more casual. HOWEVER, I went to the GJA for a few months and let me tell you Rener is not lying. The combatives system is so good that if you master it that will be all you’ll need for 95% of fights (including against other BJJ practitioners). They tell you this themselves and it’s true. It sucks I had to stop going bc of an injury but in the 6 months I attended I learned so much! And yes, you can literally walk in knowing nothing to any class and you won’t have a problem. All while not compromising the learning experience for more advanced students in the class. So yeah, I think Rener is just excited bc he knows how good the combatives system is. So for those of you who are distrusting like me Rener (and Ryron) are the real deal! You won’t regret going to the academy but beware you might get hooked like me. I was going 2x a day and I still couldn’t get enough lol.
Same.
I HEARD NO GI CALI 10th planet!!!
Some people can’t teach .
Rener is always selling... Let the guy speak.
Its legit