'Doesnt cut as well' is a bit of a stretch, longswords come in literally dozens of shapes and sizes to emphasize cutting, thrusting, or whatever the person commissioning the blade wanted as a middleground. But yes, i think this is a great example of the fact that most swordsmanship from around the world is remarkably similar - longsword and katana techniques are extremely similar for example - so a lot of the 'my favorite is better than your favorite!' Arguments you see online are pretty silly. Not yo mention that the whole world fought and traded with each other, which includes trading equipment and techniques - late period samurai wore european breastplates for example. Chances are most to all swordsmanship styles were heavily influenced by each other. A claw hammer isnt better than a ball peen hammer, theyre both hammers, theyll both drive in a nail, its just that they have slightly different specialties. Swords, and all tools, are the same. Solid video man. Hope you keep at it.
Ive seen someone cut through thigh thick tatami just by dropping weight of the blade at a good angle no force, using a Principe. Thing has scary cutting ability
compared to a chopping barbarian sword or 9 ring broadsword, yes the longsword does not cut. For example if both skilled fighter get glancing blows with say a smitar vs. lonsword, the scimitar would do more damage. Say non-direct blows, a longsword merely imprenates a sort of pencil deep damage. Maybe even stopped by leather armor. Where-as a curved sword will definately do some damage. Hence you often hear western fighters complain about "edge alignment".
@feilox holy fucking myth jesus christ that was a good laugh, i dont even know where id begin to start debunking that, from the idea that edge alignment isnt the basics of *all* swordsmanship to the idea that a fucking curve somehow makes a glancing blow have a better angle which misunderstands what glancing means, to the idea of leather being armor. Holy shit you came straight outta the skyrim school of swordsmanship man. Not even gonna touch on 'chopping barbarian sword' as thats not a term that means anything. And the '9 ring broadsword' is a decorational version of a Dadao, so you dont even seem to know what qualifies as a real sword to begin with. We could also go into how scimitar isnt even a specific term and just basically means any non-western curved blade. In the nicest possible way, as youve shown an interest in swords which is better than most, *please* do more research before trying to assert things as fact. Its easier today than ever, especially with youtube. You have amazing resources like skallagrim, shadiviersity, scholagladiatoria, metatron, tod's workshop, lets ask shojo/seki, and so many more creators dedicating their lives to showing the intricacies of martial arts from around the world. Swords are not cookie cutter, something like an Albion Principe longsword is going to outcut the vast majority of katana, shamshir, or chinese blades, because of blade geometry - but a principe longsword is barely even comparable to something like the gallowglass, with a long and slender blade, which would cut significantly worse, and is still a longsword. Chinese Dao also vary heavily. Japanese Katana and Tachi also vary heavily. Middle Eastern sabers also, again, vary heavily. The names like 'longsword' are just describing a vague style of weapon design, there is nearly infinite room within these categories for difference.
Great work for having only a couple weeks' worth of training time! I think your previous training in the other arts served you well. There's such a wealth of history and weapons to explore with HEMA. I hope you get to do some more training and try out more weaponry within HEMA. I'd love to be able to do it myself but sadly there are no HEMA clubs where I am right now.
I am almost in 1 year of HEMA myself. And it’s different from any other system around. I have a background in Kung Fu and I would say that stance training is almost similar to HEMA.
Good job on taking the initiative as you saw fit. Being aggressive against beginners that lack a healthy amount of sparring experience can often overwhelm them no matter the martial art 😉. Good video.
Great video. It looks like your previous training definitely helped you in the competition, even though you had limited experience with the HEMA weapons. I always have trouble on these competition videos telling who made contact. There's just a flurry of blows and then the referee stops it. I'm sure it's easier to tell when you're the one getting whacked by the sword.
Same. I'm used to matches where the ref indicates to the judges who scored so the judges can tally appropriately. Maybe that happened but got cut out of the edit?
The thing that really helps is sound, especially with steel. When there is a thwack instead of the sword on sword sound they stop it, as hearing is faster than seeing. And then tou try to parse what happened hahah
Well done for so little training. And you take the initiative well. If there's one secret to the Longsword, historically speaking, it's as you noticed, the wielder. You move the sword, and it moves you. Counterpointing, or counterweighting, might be your biggest takeaway, especially on the handling side.
Re being allowed to use a Dao -- how do the organizers approve the shape/size and material of a weapon? That is, how did they decide a particular weapon was ok for competition use?
It depends on the competition, in the USA it's less organized than in Europe, but generally there are trusted manufacturers/makers and safety requirements
In Poland we have specifications regarding ranges of weight, length, balance, and the way guards are supposed to be made. Plus there is a power needed to bend range, for thrust safety
You ever look at martial art tournaments and wonder, all that training and it just reverts to the basics. Is using the pummel illegal? Or just adrenaline take over and techniques go to the wayside?
Most fighting is the basics, and more sophisticated techniques arise with higher abilities being overcome. This was a beginners' competition so most competitors didn't have any advanced techniques, and those who learned them had not done enough competition to have the experience to pull it off
I think you both misquoted me on purpose and misunderstood me. Still, I will give you a thoughtful reply. [1] Me saying "it doesn't cut quite as well" doesn't mean it doesn't cut well, but there are blades than cut better than others. [2[ This is no comment on the skill of the practitioner which is the main driver behind the cut. Back to [1] it's a comment on blade design, including balance, edge harness and blade geometry. This results in different cutting performance between blades. Having less edge brittleness and a different temper in many European blades also allows more edge on edge binding plays that are more destructive for many Asian steel weapons. Asiatic sabers and Japanese sword for example aren't best for parrying edge on edge with percussive force, and often don't give point as well, but they cut incredibly well due to the geometry of the blade - plus generally a steel edge that is very hard. Every single design has its series of pros and cons.
East Asia should also re visit and re learn historical Asian martial arts the way HEMA did, by analyzing the weapons of the period, their biomechanics and military tactics of those period; a lot of martial arts in their present iteration is too formalized and too graceful while their roots are more realistic and practical, I hope a revival of the practical and historical stuff happens as well as the use of armour in martial arts, martial arts needs to work in a martial setting first and look fancy and beautiful last.
There are already groups undertaking that. The benefit of martial arts in East Asia is that if you look in the right places, the weapons as wielded in the taolu/Kata/sequences aren't far removed from actual combat moves. Sometimes there are both extant martial arts AND martial manuals, in addition to biomechanics, weapons, and context... In any case I myself will be part of that revival.
Maby what hapend is that thay were beginers and you were not. Yes your first time with a longsword but you are alredy a good swordsman and athletich so give your self more Credit
good points, I am definitely a decent fighter... swordsman, not sure about that at that time, but I'm not new to fighting and athletics that is true. BUT, I have been working more swordsmanship of 3 kinds and I don't think I will nor should do a beginner competition anymore at this point
No european swords cut just fine they just use a slightly different profile, i find it much easier to cut with a longsword granted mines very blade forward.
As a HEMA practitioner myself it's great to see other martial artist appreciate our style of combat.
It's fun and I think HEMA has been a big part of many cultures going back and re-examining their own weapon skills
Well europeans fight everibody an everibady fight european it muss mean something must be in it.@@the.wandering.warrior
'Doesnt cut as well' is a bit of a stretch, longswords come in literally dozens of shapes and sizes to emphasize cutting, thrusting, or whatever the person commissioning the blade wanted as a middleground.
But yes, i think this is a great example of the fact that most swordsmanship from around the world is remarkably similar - longsword and katana techniques are extremely similar for example - so a lot of the 'my favorite is better than your favorite!' Arguments you see online are pretty silly. Not yo mention that the whole world fought and traded with each other, which includes trading equipment and techniques - late period samurai wore european breastplates for example. Chances are most to all swordsmanship styles were heavily influenced by each other. A claw hammer isnt better than a ball peen hammer, theyre both hammers, theyll both drive in a nail, its just that they have slightly different specialties. Swords, and all tools, are the same.
Solid video man. Hope you keep at it.
Yea, when you look at something like the Albion Principe, it's blade is so wide that it can cut just as well as a curved Kriegmesser
Ive seen someone cut through thigh thick tatami just by dropping weight of the blade at a good angle no force, using a Principe. Thing has scary cutting ability
@@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 you talkin shad's sword guillotine?
compared to a chopping barbarian sword or 9 ring broadsword, yes the longsword does not cut. For example if both skilled fighter get glancing blows with say a smitar vs. lonsword, the scimitar would do more damage. Say non-direct blows, a longsword merely imprenates a sort of pencil deep damage. Maybe even stopped by leather armor. Where-as a curved sword will definately do some damage. Hence you often hear western fighters complain about "edge alignment".
@feilox holy fucking myth jesus christ that was a good laugh, i dont even know where id begin to start debunking that, from the idea that edge alignment isnt the basics of *all* swordsmanship to the idea that a fucking curve somehow makes a glancing blow have a better angle which misunderstands what glancing means, to the idea of leather being armor. Holy shit you came straight outta the skyrim school of swordsmanship man.
Not even gonna touch on 'chopping barbarian sword' as thats not a term that means anything. And the '9 ring broadsword' is a decorational version of a Dadao, so you dont even seem to know what qualifies as a real sword to begin with.
We could also go into how scimitar isnt even a specific term and just basically means any non-western curved blade.
In the nicest possible way, as youve shown an interest in swords which is better than most, *please* do more research before trying to assert things as fact. Its easier today than ever, especially with youtube. You have amazing resources like skallagrim, shadiviersity, scholagladiatoria, metatron, tod's workshop, lets ask shojo/seki, and so many more creators dedicating their lives to showing the intricacies of martial arts from around the world. Swords are not cookie cutter, something like an Albion Principe longsword is going to outcut the vast majority of katana, shamshir, or chinese blades, because of blade geometry - but a principe longsword is barely even comparable to something like the gallowglass, with a long and slender blade, which would cut significantly worse, and is still a longsword. Chinese Dao also vary heavily. Japanese Katana and Tachi also vary heavily. Middle Eastern sabers also, again, vary heavily. The names like 'longsword' are just describing a vague style of weapon design, there is nearly infinite room within these categories for difference.
Great work for having only a couple weeks' worth of training time! I think your previous training in the other arts served you well. There's such a wealth of history and weapons to explore with HEMA. I hope you get to do some more training and try out more weaponry within HEMA. I'd love to be able to do it myself but sadly there are no HEMA clubs where I am right now.
I am almost in 1 year of HEMA myself. And it’s different from any other system around. I have a background in Kung Fu and I would say that stance training is almost similar to HEMA.
Is it typical to stand with the dominant foot in the back in dao stances? That's a big notable difference between you and the other contestants
depending on range and context YES, but my sense of measure/range still needs a lot more practice and fine tuning as you can see
Well done!keep up your martial path.
Good spacing. You really know how to respect the weapons range
Thank you
that schielhau is really working for you, great stuff
thanks, I had learned it 2 weeks before that competition and was drilling it against a tree :)
Good job on taking the initiative as you saw fit. Being aggressive against beginners that lack a healthy amount of sparring experience can often overwhelm them no matter the martial art 😉. Good video.
Great video. It looks like your previous training definitely helped you in the competition, even though you had limited experience with the HEMA weapons.
I always have trouble on these competition videos telling who made contact. There's just a flurry of blows and then the referee stops it. I'm sure it's easier to tell when you're the one getting whacked by the sword.
Same. I'm used to matches where the ref indicates to the judges who scored so the judges can tally appropriately. Maybe that happened but got cut out of the edit?
The thing that really helps is sound, especially with steel. When there is a thwack instead of the sword on sword sound they stop it, as hearing is faster than seeing. And then tou try to parse what happened hahah
Thanks for sharing this longer video, ❤️ the centerline protection!
Well done for so little training.
And you take the initiative well.
If there's one secret to the Longsword, historically speaking, it's as you noticed, the wielder.
You move the sword, and it moves you. Counterpointing, or counterweighting, might be your biggest takeaway, especially on the handling side.
Re being allowed to use a Dao -- how do the organizers approve the shape/size and material of a weapon? That is, how did they decide a particular weapon was ok for competition use?
It depends on the competition, in the USA it's less organized than in Europe, but generally there are trusted manufacturers/makers and safety requirements
In Poland we have specifications regarding ranges of weight, length, balance, and the way guards are supposed to be made. Plus there is a power needed to bend range, for thrust safety
When are we getting a Tan Tui video?
I'm working through a lot of stuff right now, when I'm ready and my partner is, I'll make it
You ever look at martial art tournaments and wonder, all that training and it just reverts to the basics. Is using the pummel illegal? Or just adrenaline take over and techniques go to the wayside?
Most fighting is the basics, and more sophisticated techniques arise with higher abilities being overcome. This was a beginners' competition so most competitors didn't have any advanced techniques, and those who learned them had not done enough competition to have the experience to pull it off
@@the.wandering.warrior gotcha. Interesting
Well done, sir.
very good chanel
The guard is nice isnt it?
More more more
"Doesn't cut."
Dude, on UA-cam, you can look up rapiers cutting. Longswords cut very easily. Holy shit.
I think you both misquoted me on purpose and misunderstood me. Still, I will give you a thoughtful reply. [1] Me saying "it doesn't cut quite as well" doesn't mean it doesn't cut well, but there are blades than cut better than others. [2[ This is no comment on the skill of the practitioner which is the main driver behind the cut.
Back to [1] it's a comment on blade design, including balance, edge harness and blade geometry. This results in different cutting performance between blades. Having less edge brittleness and a different temper in many European blades also allows more edge on edge binding plays that are more destructive for many Asian steel weapons. Asiatic sabers and Japanese sword for example aren't best for parrying edge on edge with percussive force, and often don't give point as well, but they cut incredibly well due to the geometry of the blade - plus generally a steel edge that is very hard. Every single design has its series of pros and cons.
East Asia should also re visit and re learn historical Asian martial arts the way HEMA did, by analyzing the weapons of the period, their biomechanics and military tactics of those period; a lot of martial arts in their present iteration is too formalized and too graceful while their roots are more realistic and practical, I hope a revival of the practical and historical stuff happens as well as the use of armour in martial arts, martial arts needs to work in a martial setting first and look fancy and beautiful last.
There are already groups undertaking that. The benefit of martial arts in East Asia is that if you look in the right places, the weapons as wielded in the taolu/Kata/sequences aren't far removed from actual combat moves. Sometimes there are both extant martial arts AND martial manuals, in addition to biomechanics, weapons, and context... In any case I myself will be part of that revival.
was the referee italian?
I thought he was French Canadian but I could be remembering wrong
Там кто то по русски разговаривает? Это где все проходило?
Maby what hapend is that thay were beginers and you were not. Yes your first time with a longsword but you are alredy a good swordsman and athletich so give your self more Credit
good points, I am definitely a decent fighter... swordsman, not sure about that at that time, but I'm not new to fighting and athletics that is true. BUT, I have been working more swordsmanship of 3 kinds and I don't think I will nor should do a beginner competition anymore at this point
No european swords cut just fine they just use a slightly different profile, i find it much easier to cut with a longsword granted mines very blade forward.
I never say they didn't cut well, but I am comparing them to much more cut focused sword that I am familiar with.
@@the.wandering.warrior sure but even then, look at a Katzbalgr