Cliffe Classics - Student: "It Sounds Like A God of Exclusion...A Punisher"
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2024
- No. 40
Recorded - Fall 1998
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The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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Was anybody else absolutely shot in the heart when Cliffe defined sin as disloyalty/ doubt to God? It’s so true through, if I actually trusted, believed, and was loyal to the Lord 100%, knowing He has my best interests at heart, knowing He promises fulfillment- I would not sin. I want that so badly, but I fear up thinking just how badly I fail at that.
Saint Paul, a man that was chosen by God, said that he was the chief of sinners. We sin because we have a sinful body, but the first time we confesseed the truth that Christ is Lord we became a new creation that is aware of and despises sin. When we are aware of our sins , we ask Him to forgive us, and He takes those sins away.
This is how we know that we are saved forever. We ask to be forgiven, and He rewards us with everlasting life with Him in heaven. Trust in Him and do not fear death. He will care for you. Once saved, always saved.
I was struck by that statement as well, I see the point he was making. We doubt God Almighty whenever we sin, we tell Him His way is not suitable for us and we rather do it our way; that is a part of me that wrecks me so badly. GOD PLEASE HELP ME TO TRUST YOU AND FOLLOW YOUR LEADING IN THE WAY THAT IS PLEASING TO YOU JESUS!!! AMEN!!!🙌🏾🙏🏾❤️❤️❤️
it's a good thing there seems to be no "god" or any reason to believe that "sin" is actually a thing
Yes, sin is unbelief (lack of trust).
It's also anti love as Romans 13:8-10 makes very clear.
[And Jesus equates love with obedience to him several times].
When we're born of the Spirit, we have crucified the flesh: Galatians 5:24, Romans 8:6-13.
The word translated "flesh" is "sarx/sarki" and means carnal nature, which is basically SELFISH.
Sin is choosing to put self above God and above others.
It is walking CONTRARY to the Spirit of God (see Galatians chapters 5 & 6).
When we CHOOSE to put God and others first, even when by doing so it *seems* that we will "lose out" (initially), that is the definition of TRUST.
"Faith is...the evidence of things unseen" (Hebrews 11:1)
"We walk by faith, not by sight" (2 Corinthians 5:7)
"Forasmuch then as Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that has suffered in the flesh *has ceased from sin*
that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God." (1 Peter 4:1-2)
Yes, sin is unbelief (lack of trust).
It's also anti love as Romans 13:8-10 makes very clear.
[And Jesus equates love with obedience to him several times].
When we're born of the Spirit, we have crucified the flesh: Galatians 5:24, Romans 8:6-13.
The word translated "flesh" is "sarx/sarki" and means carnal nature, which is basically SELFISH.
Sin is choosing to put self above God and above others.
It is walking CONTRARY to the Spirit of God (see Galatians chapters 5 & 6).
When we CHOOSE to put God and others first, even when by doing so it *seems* that we will "lose out" (initially), that is the definition of TRUST.
"Faith is...the evidence of things unseen" (Hebrews 11:1)
"We walk by faith, not by sight" (2 Corinthians 5:7)
"Forasmuch then as Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that has suffered in the flesh *has ceased from sin*
that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God." (1 Peter 4:1-2)
"Powerful and evil can win, BUT it does NOT make them right!" Wow. Such deep and powerful words that cant be refuted. Bravo Cliffe.
The Christian God can not exist in a world where evil exists
Think about it 🤷♂️
@jasonnoble7302 i have thought about it many times and have doubted in the times past. But you forgetting 2 major aspects of Christian God. Number one is, the evil exists because we humans choose to let evil exist. Thats a part of a free will that God allowed us to have in order to be free individuals. If everytime God would intervene and stop evil that we wanted to do then there can not be free will. And number two is, Jesus Christ promised that he will be back and evil will lose because our God is just and he will not, under any circumstance, allow evil win at the end. At the end of the "day" evil will lose and be gone forever. Its only matter of time. Just like when criminal does what he does and its only matter of time until he will be judged. In case of Jesus Christ, NOBODY can escape his judgement unlike our current justice system.
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Is it better that God created us with free will in order for us to be free individuals and we chose to let evil exist then for God to intervene and stop evil things right now?
Is this the best possible world God could have created ?
@jasonnoble7302 purely logically, it doesnt make sense that we can exist as free individuals with a free will and not be able to do what we want whether its good or bad. If God would intervene everytime we wanted to do evil then there can't be free will. Free will doesnt entale only good. Bad things can also come from free will choices. This world that we live in right now is a result of our human choices. Just like a choice of war instead of piece has consequences and ruins countries and kill people, our choice of not following the right path leads to disasters that we have today. Remember, when God first created the earth and humans it was good. No disasters or evil existed. It was heavenly earth. But we chose to not listen and do things our way. Since its our free will and choice, God honored it and partially stepped away from us leaving us to our own choices which followed with consequences. One more point that brings validity to the actions of God is that, God is all loving and all caring and at the same time God is just. He cannot and will not allow his love for us to give way to evil. We are his creations and we HAVE to follow his rules. And thats where the problem lies. A lot of us dont like to follow someone else's rules. From early ages of our lifes we want to do things our way. Guess what happens then, we suffer and forced to accept the consequences.
@@jasonnoble7302 It is better for us to be born of free will because it means that our love for the Lord and trust in him is true because it means we are choosing to. if he would have forced us into it would it be true love and faith/worship? This is also why hell exists. God gives you the free will to choose a side. there is no in between. its either you want to spend your eternity with God or he places you somewhere he is not. obviously he doesn't want you to be in hell because if he did, he wouldn't have sent Jesus to die for us and give us a way out. He didn't have to do that for us. we didn't deserve it. but he loved us that much and he put that there for us. All we have to do is place our faith on what he did on that cross for our sins. not by our works but by his blood that he shed. that's what saves us. I urge you and anyone reading this to really take time and reflect on this and ask yourself where do you think you would end up if you were to die right now. would you be in heaven or hell? place your faith in what Jesus did. he will save you. God bless you all.
Babe wake up, new cliffe classic
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I was reading something that says God is man made, my faith is already weak this is ruining everything, it says because there’s so many different religions each country just created it’s own idea to explain the existence of earth. Someone please give an argument to this to strengthen my faith
God created the Earth and the universe with his spirit the Holy Spirit. Then Jesus was his heart tht is our Fathers word and the Messiah. All 3 created Gods word that's where we get the Trinity 3 in one. Matthew 22:43-45 David said under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, The Lord said 2 my Lord... witch proves the Trinity is real and tht our Father Gave all authority to our Jesus through the Holy Spirit. Again Matthew 28:18
He was later then sent to Mary to to be born human to save all of us from sin bye Dying on the cross for sins. 😢 He lived a sinless life the good life.🙏🏼 I pray this helps you brother
@rampz975 Peter lost Faith walking on water towrds God and God he saved him. Don't give up that's wht the Devil wants
The Father The Son And The Holy Spirit 🙏🏼
Thank you Cliffe for all these videos. I’ve learned a lot and my faith has grown so much. God bless you and your ministry.
I was reading something that says God is man made, my faith is already weak this is ruining everything, it says because there’s so many different religions each country just created it’s own idea to explain the existence of earth. Someone please give an argument to this to strengthen my faith
@@rampz975 there are different religions but some contradict each other. Like the teachings of Mohammed. He claimed Jesus was not God. But what's weird is that guy was born in like 500 ad. So what does HE know? 😂. If you want to learn about Jesus you should go to the Bible instead because they claim they saw him face to face.
@@rampz975 well first of all, the existence of God has tons of evidence already, the fact that life comes from life, rational comes from the rational, personal comes from the personal. The big bang, the second law of thermodynamics, the fact that the universe is expanding all shows the universe had a beginning, everything that has a beginning has a cause. Since there was nothing, the cause demanded there to be a timeless space less being who had to make a choice, which also means he's personal, aka God. The existence of free will and objective morals is evidence for God, the incredible fine tuning of the universe demands an intelligent mind. Now, to reveal who God is, and to reveal God's character, you look at the people who claim to reveal God accurately. Study Hinduism, Islam, and Christianity, and in my opinion, I come to find that the historical evidence of Jesus exposes his incredible reliability
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Ummm
What is the argument for that ?
At 8.00 Cliffe say he is delivering "Jesus mail". Actually he is delivering John's mail because this was not a statement by Jesus. It it evident that John believed Jesus is God, but that is simply John's opinion. Jesus never said he was God so, why not believe Jesus?
I was raised Christian but became an atheist and agnostic from 2017-2019 as a teenager dealing with mental health issues until I started reading my Bible again after my music teacher gave me his red Bible I read it from Genesis to Revelation. I would call Cliffe Knechtle and his family heroes because people like that look out for believers and unbelievers alike as human beings whether they agree, disagree or disrespectfully disagree. AMEN most people aren't looking for The Truth but feeling better or superior to others🙏👊❤️. We're all sinners trying to do Good or Evil in our actions and intentions. After reading The Bible in it's context I realized that The 7 Days of Creation in Genesis are actually 7 thousand years as a Day to The Lord God is a thousand years as Psalm and 2 Peter says so the Earth is actually older than 14 thousand years old so it could be millions to billions of years old. I'm glad brothers Cliffe and Stuart Knechtle's Apologetics ministry still going strong in 2024 after all these decades. After studying science I realized that Evolutionary biology from common ancestry has nothing to do with believing in a Creator we call God but it's a tool used by Atheists, agnostics and secular people to promote their own godless community and agenda against Christianity. Atheists and secular humanists are guilty of promoting a nihilistic reality where everyone and everything is objectively meaningless because of and in spite of religion and Atheism. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
The age of the earth is something I argue with secular and theists alike all the time the scripture from psalms you quoted has been referenced before to a young earth apologist that I watch pretty often he countered that argument by stating in the very same chapter. The book also says "and 1000 years is like a day" (in reference to God) so that's why I cannot use that scripture as valid evidence for how long creation might've lasted. Just some food for thought for you. I will say that I've been studying it for over a year and so far I've been leaning towards young earth theory. From what I have gathered the age of the Earth only needs to be so large because that is an integral part of how evolution works without millions of years you have no evolution you have no Big Bang hence why they push millions of years so confidently I've also carbon dating to be very inconsistent a lot more inconsistent than mainstream media will you believe
I just found your channel❤ I am watching it and my 15 yr old son said; oh, you’re watching him? He’s awesome and has really good debates❤ I was so glad and happy my son watches your channel too! ❤ thank you Brother in CHRIST❤ GOD BLESS YOU❤
Jesus is king ✝️ repent and believe in Jesus and you shall be saved Amen
no he isn't
also: a belief is not chosen
Amen 🙏
@@MrZootles he is according to the Bible
@@bacontheclown2502 there is no reason to believe the claims in the bible are true
@@MrZootles can you please prove that claim for me!
I feel really sad because of this world and it's culture. It hurts me deeply to see people choosing ignorance over evidence and lies over the search for the truth. I find that it is not an easy task to be a fallower of Christ, and one of the only things that gives me the strength to continue is watching Cliffe talking with those studants, they are just searching for the truth. It brings me hope. Thanks Cliffe, you inspire me a lot.
Ignorance?
How can the Christian God permit evil in this world if he’s good exactly ?
Talk about ignorant 😂
Who _exactly_ is choosing ignorance over evidence?
@@jasonnoble7302 you should watch more of his videos, he addresses this question exactly
@@jasonnoble7302 Evil came in because of freewill. God gave us freewill.
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Was it good that God created us with the free will that created evil ?
I am learning so much! Thank you for explaining the faith in a way that is both intellectual and easily digestible. I prayed to the Lord to open my mind and increase my knowledge and understanding of the word so that I can defend my faith when questioned by intellectual friends that are atheist/agnostic. I often times lack confidence when it comes to defending my faith because I am a new Christian and still learning. I plan to study these videos along side reading my word so that I can “be ready to give an answer” Pastor Cliffe has given us such a gift and I thank God for working through him to answer my prayer of knowledge and understanding. May the lord bless you! 🙏🏽
I just donated to you monthly cliffe! I love your videos and everything you do to preach God like no other. I always watch to with my gf and in the car driving. Watching you gives me confidence to preach to my friends and others by using what you say to people in college and wherever. Thank you Cliffe. God bless you and keep on doing this with your son as will!
I was reading something that says God is man made, my faith is already weak this is ruining everything, it says because there’s so many different religions each country just created it’s own idea to explain the existence of earth. Someone please give an argument to this to strengthen my faith
@@rampz975 For me it's completely logical, big bang is completely illogical, in psychics 101 you learn that nothing can be created out of nothing.
You can also never "gain" energy so to speak, it's always lost.
Now we're all supposed to forget that and have the universe spontaneously erupt out of nothingness.
Our earth also happened to be visually beautiful (skies forests oceans) and the atmosphere happens to have the right amount of everything. Deviate slightly from what we have today and the earth is suddenly not habitable.
On top of this there's the moral argument; what supposed evolutionary purpose would our moral compass serve? Is rape not just spreading your seed ensuring the species survives? Is me stabbing you and taking everything you own not simply "survival of the fittest"?
And finally, the people in charge on this earth are very obsessed with satan; why is he everywhere in Hollywood and in our media? Why is delinquent behaviour glorified? Why are they so dead set on satan existing? If they are so sure he exists, wouldn't that need God to exist?
Now regarding if Muslims Christians or Jews or whatever else religion are correct, now you have to make a historic analysis.
@@rampz975Read the gospel of John
@@rampz975Cliffe's primary argument always comes back to the evidence and reliability of Jesus. Jesus explains everything and the Bible all links to him and the Gospel, as work of the one true Christian God.
The Bible also explains other religions (demonic heathen/pagan), which the other religions do not.
They also identify as being man made by the human morality of 'you can do enough good to offset the Bad'. The Bible states cosmic morality, that all humans are bad in God's eyes, but he sacrificed his son for repayment.
But it's not really a case of argument, it's a case of supernatural experience and communication with God. Literally asking for revelation from Christ and acceptance.
So much clarity about human existence from your explanation Cliffe, God continue to bless your ministry
Faith is to trust wholly and to be loyal. 🙏 I'm blown away by this. I don't think I've ever heard this. Thank you Cliff
IMHO - this is one of your best episodes, Cliffe. I've watched about 20, and I'll keep watching and learning. Thank you for all you have done.
Wow. What a powerful closing. Loved it
This is very Gracious
In our weakness; our need for His strength is made mature in our understanding in truth according to God.
The truth according to God is do as I say not as I do
What a great source for morality 🤷♂️🤦
❤❤I enjoy the discussions and debates these young people have with you Cliff. You are doing the Lords work and I praise Jesus for what He has done and is doing in your❤❤
Powerful, evil people can win but that doesnt make them right. Amen
The slang of the 90's lol gotta love it! Jesus is King 👑
Jesus Is always active on UA-cam I have seen all
I was reading something that says God is man made, my faith is already weak this is ruining everything, it says because there’s so many different religions each country just created it’s own idea to explain the existence of earth. Someone please give an argument to this to strengthen my faith
@@rampz975Im sorry you are struggling with this. He has helped to change my life and my family's as well. Try to stick to reading the bible and block out the enemy who comes to try to make you lose faith. Have you ever reached out to God through prayer? When I was younger I encountered a lot of people, friends, who I was able to see as God trying to call me to Himself. And this was way before I came to truly believe in Jesus. I was a terrible person and I walked in darkness. Then He came in and changed me from the inside. No one else can do that. Only our Creator. Consider this...your comment is on a pretty random post about slang and I happened to go into it and saw that you posted 47 seconds ago when I read it. I love helping and I feel bad and really do want to help you.
@@rampz975 We have evidence for God and we have evidence for the reliability of the Bible. Where do you want to start brotha?
@@EchoGuzman what’s the evidence for the Bible
Classic Cliffe, love this man
I’m amazed in all your videos by how you are able to so effectively recite scripture without the need for a Bible in hand. I was wondering if there was a certain method you used to memorize scripture so masterfully.🙏
He has just studied the bible every single day for probably 30 years at this point
He doesn't , he just lies. There is no record in the bible about how all the disciples died, only a couple are mentioned and Peter died for his political views, not his religious ones.
@@mirandahotspring4019 nah thats crazy
coming to a cliffe video to hate like that
@@SteezyLem0nade30 years of cliff and he has yet to present any demonstrable evidence for his god claim
@@SteezyLem0nade It isn't hate, its the truth. Show me where in the bible it gives the fates of all the disciples. He goes on about all the disciples suffered torture and horrible deaths and people don't to that to defend something that isn't true. Show me where it says that in the bible! The bible only tells of Judas and James.
All the supposed deaths of the disciples comes from non canonical works from much later, many of which are disputed.
According to the 18th-century historian Edward Gibbon, early Christians (second half of the second century and first half of the third century) believed that only Peter, Paul, and James, son of Zebedee, were martyred.
Wow he looks young here~ kids were very intelligent and open back then
Yes because there was no such thing as shorts or reels. Those things rot our brains.
Absolutely love your videos, God gave you an amazing talent and as His steward, amazing!!!! Keep up the great work for God’s kingdom…. Wish I had the memory and skill to do this in Canada.🇨🇦 God Bless you richly.
guy in the red was super respectful and thoughtful about this
The problem that the man in the red jacket has with his understanding is that he thinks God is excluding people. God has not denied anyone the opportunity of salvation through Jesus Christ, which is how “exclusion” would apply if God did do that. But God does have a standard of holiness that must be followed because God is Himself Holy. If clean water is mixed with dirty water, then the clean water is no longer clean. Jesus Christ is the filter that cleanses us to set us apart from the dirty water of the world, and to prepare us for eternity with God.
Wow , didn't know a monk was responsible for ending gladiator fights to the death, god bless
The lost soul in the red jacket
Clearly shows how rebellious and proud we humans are
God is good!
God bless all of you who's watching these video❤🙏 in Jesus' name. we pray amen❤️
Amen
Amen
Loving God is the only way 🙏🏻
Thank you Cliffe, you have really helped bring back my faith. I have struggled with it for a while, even my philosophy teacher who is meant to be analytical of theories and ideas just disregarded the possibility of a God. That really shoock my faith. But thanks to you, i have learned that its possible to combine reason and logic with faith and belief. Thank you.
Frank and this guy have raised "the wizard of Oz doctrine" to a new level. Circular arguments and reading passages that have nothing to do with your question.
God loves slavery, except for jews being enslaved, maybe read all passages pertaining to slavery in the Bible.
The slavery in the Bible is misunderstood because of recent history.
Slavery is not what you think. In the Bible, the slaves are basically just workers of people who are not meant to be abused. Some people do abuse their slaves. This is why Paul said to the masters to love their slaves and slaves love their masters.
You misunderstood slavery, brother.
People in ancient times didn’t think slavery was bad, in any form, just like the south didn’t. Cliffe has to perform mental gymnastics to jump back and forth between the old and new testaments and still there’s not one single verse that says “slavery is wrong, don’t do it”.
@@joecline1114 You misunderstood slavery because of recent history. The context of Slavery in the Bible was merely servants of people. However, there are some people that hate and abuse these servants. That is why Paul came in to say that master must love their servants/slaves and slaves to love their masters.
Cliffe was jumping back and forth because he is getting context. Context is crucial and important when studying the Bible. One verse cannot simply suffice.
@@cyphlone3306 great points and that’s why I say religions and all their books are 100% manmade. No creator of the universe would have made such a complex system so hard to understand and rely on imperfect beings to do the translations and teaching. All that said, I love the Bible because it’s Greek and other ancient mythologies combined. Invaluable literature for the understanding of our past and western roots.
@@joecline1114 The books were not written by one person and compiled in the same year. They were written by multiple people in a span of 1500 years. It's reasonable that these writers died before they could see or know the next writer. They didn't even know these would be compiled. They have internal consistency. This is one of the evidences of why I believe in the Bible.
These were then later compiled by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
God is love God is good all the time!!
Is it good to permit evil things to occur right now ?
@@jasonnoble7302He permits freedom of choice
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Is it better for God to permit freedom of choice and permit the evils that occur from those choices to be created then to not permit freedom of choice and not permit any evils to be created ?
@@jasonnoble7302 Having no free will is the same as being a robot with no life.
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Would it be immoral for God to create human robots who didn’t create evil ?
Wow. This was recorded 9 month before i was born.
Hmmm ... that's good conversation Cliffe 😊
Man I miss the 90s!!!!
Crazy to think about how different things would be if this was done today in a college campus.
I was blind and now I see ! It is nailed to the cross and I bear it no more
Affirmative action on full display in this one!
It would be so wonderful to know who has been saved after all these encounters with Cliff(i know that God only saves, we spread the seeds)
Though we become overcomers we eventually realise that it’s God’s amazing assistance that makes it so. We see His hand in it. And for some reason, God chooses to assist some but not others.
And when these ones wonder why God has chosen them, often not seeing much difference between themselves and others who seemingly should be chosen, it appears that God is choosing on what they can and will become.
When we remember our sinful past lives prior to salvation, we know we never dreamed we would be the children of obedience that we are today, compared to yesterday, albeit God knew.
Surely God’s choosing is based upon greater heights of obedience that’s yet to be expressed as we go through into the future-into eternity.
And God knowing that we have the wherewithal or desire to express this perfect obedience, yet not imagined, not known to ourselves-But as God knows, He therefore has chosen us on this basis of what we will be, knowing that, the be we will be, is acceptable enough in His sight to choose us today-for as of yet, are we really worth choosing, though we have been chosen.
its so cool to see how graceful Cliffe was with that guy about his "needs" and things become obvious quickly when people start their phrase with "I feel". well, I feel cold right now, just because I do, doesn't mean everyone else does, feelings are subjective but the Bible is objective.
I pray for these young people.. They are so lost 😢
Cliffe Rocks!
Blessed is the Nation whose GOD is The LORD...!!! Psalms 33:12. Amen 🙏🏾
God bless you Cliffe and everyone there with you proclaiming the name of our Lord Jesus. I pray protection and favor upon you. Personally I think you've got the ❤❤best job whilst Jesus comes back. Amen
Wow! this is from 1998!
I love that the pork and shell fish question was asked. I stoped eating pork on January 2nd 2023. And I stopped shell fish after reading Deuteronomy chapter 14 in November or December 2023. I forget. I was born and raised Catholic. I’m Mexican. And yeah we were never taught to not eat these things. Those food are prevalent in Mexican culture be it restaurants or gatherings or a home cooked meal from mom.
At the moment I do not know my denomination. I began to question my Catholic faith in January 2023 and just saw myself as a Christian, a believer in Christ. At the moment Im probably non - denominational and a follower of Christ like Cliffe is. I do believe that perhaps Bible based really is the way to go. But since there are different translations that can be tough. I say the KJV and Douay - Reims (earliest Catholic Bible I think) is probably the best way to go. The closest translations we may have to the Latin, Greek, and Hebrew manuscripts. ESV is nice, I think it can serve a good purpose in just having people start, since the language is more understandable because it is written in contemporary English. So it flows off the tongue easier and it can help give a general idea of what is going on and what is being said. I don’t like that Matthew 17:21 is taken out of the ESV and other modern translations. Seems fishy to me. I really search for accuracy. That’s what’s important to me the most.
But getting back to the pork and shell fish. I have questioned whether I should or don’t have to follow the teaching of the Old Testament in that regard. I feel like my flesh may still would like to have shrimp as an option on my plate. I’ve never tried lobster or crab or anything else really. But idk I have wanted to try lobster to see what all the fuss is about. The meat on it looks pretty good not gonna lie. And sometimes I would like tacos Al pastor, carnitas, tamales, pork chorizo, bacon, bacon wrapped shrimp, (sorry I’m not trying to tempt anyone( but I feel more of a certainty that I should not, that it is a definitive no no to eat pork. When I stopped pork it was because I just got this inner feeling that this is not something I should be allowing into my body. That it only does harm. So I’m sure that I could probably go the rest of my life with no pork without a problem or much of one (I’m 28). But I guess if God didn’t want the Israelites to eat these things for their health, for their betterment to function and live better, then I guess why would it be any different for us now? Health was one of the reasons in decided to not eat these foods as well. But I am very interested to know what anyone thinks after reading this long text lol I appreciate you reading to this point if you have, should we or should we not follow those food laws? Do we HAVE to or not?
I had no clue Cliffe was a d1 hooper 💀
Cliffe rocking the bill cosby sweater while he tackle tough questions from the intellects…. Well actually this video the questions were not so tough because I was able to answer them as I watched….😊
For a minute at 12:22, I was very refreshed that the guy seemed willing to concede the point, admit that he hadn't thought through his stance, and maybe come around. But then he straight up says he's absolutely fine with creating a fantasy that's not real if it makes him feel better! So disappointing. I'm with Cliffe: I could never do that. I hunger to know what the truth is too much.
The questions of the long-haired student remain valid. Divisions of the law (ceremonial, moral, etc) are of man and not of the FATHER. "Until heaven ans earth pass" is a very clear statement. Heaven still exists. Earth still exists.
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I've been enjoying these discussions! On this one the young man asked about the dietary laws. You can't find anywhere in the New Covenant where you can now eat what you want. We have to understand Paul was bringing everyone to Christ who was an Israelites who followed the instructions of His Father... We are the temple of God now. You could not bring an unclean animal into The Temple of God.
How about Matthew? Matthew 15:11 "It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person."
Thanks for the question. Jesus was talking about the tradition of men they had , not Torah where they would ritualistic wash their hands before they ate. But their thoughts and deeds was not according to Torah.
The NT did not abrogate the OT diet prohibitions . . . abstinence of all that OT mentioned as unclean remains, pork & blood included.
Cliffe makes a great point at about 10:16 talking about all the suffering in the world, esp that caused by things that are beyond our control, like earthquakes and famine caused by drought, this leads me to suspect that there is probably no God and it's down to us as a species to find rational answers as to why those kinds of things happen, we can very much explain how and why earthquakes and droughts occur from a naturalistic viewpoint.
How do earthquakes and droughts and famine lead you to believe that there is no God? Of course those can be explained by a naturalistic pov. But it can’t get you to the end of the line. You can only ask “why” or “how” something happens so far before you run out of answers with a naturalistic pov.
@@Skylerrelyks93 earthquakes and droughts only get bonnie43uk to the next comment from the people he enjoys using for his own amusement. Aka Christians.
None of his comments are things he actually means. They're only meant to provoke replies. That's all.
@@Skylerrelyks93 not quite sure what you mean Sky, science can explain in great detail how and why those natural disasters occur, no God is required, but more than that, it begs the question if it *was* God who created earthquakes and droughts, why would he do such a thing that resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people esp children and babies, and the destruction of his own churches via earthquakes? I've never heard a rational explanation from any Christian.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 Yes indeed, its called the logical progression of a discussion. I certainly don't find these discussions amusing Jeff, far from it. These are serious issues that I spend a lot of time musing over, and the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that this God character is a human invention, there is plenty of evidence that Gods spring from the human mind as a way of trying to explain the unexplainable ... as science progresses, the need for a God explanation becomes less and less. Again Jeff, good to see you keeping tabs on my comments.
@@Skylerrelyks93 i did just reply to you sky, but it's not showing up on the main comment section, but it's there in the "newest comments".
I love young believers inquiring about the difference between the New and Old Testament laws, because that is the whole point of the gospel and what changed with Jesus between the OT and the NT.
First, we have to understand that the law does not save and only condemns, and second, we have to understand the work of Christ.
When we read through the book of Romans we learn that the law, referring to the old covenant, is an instrument of sin and death. That it stirs up our natural rebellion against God’s rules, resulting in sin and death.
See, the Father gave us the law so that we would be guilty buy it. The law doesn't make us free, it makes us guilty when we break it, and when the law is broken, then comes judgement. God can't judge those who haven't broken the law - transgression of the law.
And the only way to pay for the law, what we call atonement was by blood, hence the need for sacrifices. God's people, Israel, sacrificed in order to receive grace and forgiveness, and satisfy the requirement of God's judgement.
That is the Old Covenant.
What Jesus did, when his work was done, meaning after he was crucified, deand and entombed, then rose again, was BECOME a New Covenant for us.
I highlight the word become because it is important.
In Hebrews, we read that we have a New Covenant that frees us from the law of sin and judgment mentioned in Romans.
Romans 8:1-2: “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.”
And in Hebrews 8:1 "We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being".
The New Covenant is a person, our High Priest Jesus Christ. (His work wasn't just his death. His work started from the time he was a child. He had to perfectly fulfill all the law of the Old Covenant, the law of Moses. It took him about 33 years to do that perfectly).
This is why it says , But now he (Jesus) obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant (speaking about the law of Moses) had been faultless, then there wouldn't ahve been need to seek the second (the new covenant). And in finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
Then later it says, "A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away."
The old covenant did not go away. The old covenant was fulfilled in the God-man Jesus Christ, and he became the New Covenant.
What does that mean?
In the old covenant, we had to sacrifice. We had to do the work ourselves in order to be forgiven. We had to follow the law. We had to observe the rites and rituals. We had to make sacrifice.
But in the new covenant, Jesus has already done the work for us, so we don't have to.
A good example to demonstrate is a washing machine. In the old covenant, we had to get a tub and washing board and scrub by hand. In the new covenant, we have a washing machine.
The goal is the same - to make us righteous. What changed is the power to pull it off.
We no longer have to do it ourselves because we have Jesus who already did, and the Holy Spirit in us, connects us to the power source. All we have to do is load the machine and let it run, (a.k.a. pray in earnest and ask forveness).
But Dexter, you say, that only applies to God's people, Israel and the house of Judah.
To which I say, all who have accepted Christ as their substitute, as their Lord, are God's people. We are Israel.
Romans 8:16-17 "The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ- if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him".
We were adopted into the kingdom of God.
The challenge many believers have is that we live under the old covenant by trying to follow rules and regulations that we were set free from, but the downside to that is we don't get the benefits of the new covenant.
Put another way, we have a brand new washing machine, but we're still using the tub and washboard, and many of us are wondering why the washing machine isn't cleaning our clothes.
It's because we're living under the law and not under grace.
The guy in the red jacket is straight out of Mayberry.
The dietary law was not ceremonial…it was as you say for health reasons….and these apply today also
For Jews….. not for Christians. Please read Mark 7 very carefully. Jesus discussed how it doesn’t matter what you eat, because food does not defile you. What defiles you is the fact that your heart is evil and you say terrible things, call people names, etc; that is what defiles you.
The whole fundamental purpose behind Jesus’ death was to 1) Absolve everyone of sin, and 2) 100% fulfill and completely Nullify Jewish law for followers of Christ.
A follower of Christ does NOT have to worry about dietary restrictions. Only a Jew has to worry about Jewish laws today. That’s why Leviticus is part of the Jewish Torah. Not the Christian New Testament.
9:17 a good analogy I came up with as to why we are at fault for going to hell and it’s not what God wants for us, but rather what we want for ourselves is like this: We were drowning and God made us the perfect livesaver floatie. And when he chooses to throw it to us, it perfectly reaches right above us within our reach. You can either latch on and be rescued, or reject it and drown. There is no “I didn’t know it was there,” because the Good News will at one point in your life reach you because he perfectly throws the lifesaver directly to each and every one of us because he wants us to be rescued. And I like to think God won’t let you go to Hell without the opportunity to change. Because it’s ultimately the rejection that sends us to hell, and if you never had the chance to accept or reject, I’d connect it to how unborn babies go to heaven in a sense, because they weren’t given the chance either at life and rejection either. You can’t reject a lifesaver that hasn’t yet been thrown to you. But once it’s been offered, then you are at fault for rejecting it.
I tell people the word believe is not an intellectual assent to the things of God, but believe means to trust in, adhere to and commit your life to Jesus and I just believe(pun not attended) Cliff gave the same definition starting @ 15:17 😊
Well said
Very honest
Red jacket guy has a point, sort of. He's expressing a variation on the argument from desire and it's not ridiculous.
When I was young I had a ' need ' for God when I knew or understood just enough to believe He was there, I did not know all the fine details. Cliff was making it look like he had some weird idea.0
When it comes to ' exclusiveness ' or the reason Jesus is the only way, I seem to never hear Cliff say anything about how Jesus is the only one who takes our sin upon Himself or pays our sin debt so that we can be with the perfect God. He always seems to have some other explanation.
Cliff does good job, but sometimes he has me scratching my head
@mi He does do a good job, but he has me always scratching my head as well. Because he's got a lot of things wrong. Sometimes he doesn't even really understand the Bible. Answers or doesn't give them either to afraid to or doesn't know. And as a preacher he should be ready with an answer. And he supports evolution and other crap.chaelszczys8316
My question is, we did not choose to come into the world. Does that violate free will? He didn't ask me or you do we want to be here. But now that we're on this earth, we have to choose to follow him or not. Wouldn't the choice be if we want to even come live on this planet?
I think of it like, someone pushes me into the ocean, and then they say, "I give you the free will to choose me to save you from drowning or swim your way out."
How are you going to choose whether you're born or not before you're born?
@Echo-cy3gn I figure an infinite being might have an idea. He is all-knowing.
So, not only do you want to whine about God not asking you if you want to be born or not before you even exist, violating the freewill of someone who doesn't have the capability of making decisions....because you don't exist. NOW, you want God to make the decision for you, someone who does not exist, whether or not you want to exist, violating the freewill of someone who doesn't exist.
@Echo-cy3gn How did you arrive at the conclusion that I was whining? I'm not whining. I asked some questions, needing some clarity, to which you replied with a question that I had not considered before. So, your answer explaining how this could not indeed work in reality has actually helped me grasp this concept better.
There is no need to assume that I'm whining.
Life is a gift. And I will prove it to you yet with Cliffe's own words: We have value in life. If you fall ill, I will find the absolute best doctor so that you don't die to your illness. Life has innate value
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign and there shall be no sign given unto it but the sign of the prophet Jonas
what are you talking about
@pacagotsauce the beginning of the video that guy wanted proof of this and that , so I applied the proper scripture.
@@larzman651 oh got it
He’s cooking 🧑🍳
I would love to know where that guy is now.
Barnabas explains some of the forbidden animals . Interesting book. Lots to chew on. 😊
I see what you did there😂 bravo
It was ecclesiastes where it mentions the dead know nothing. And ecclesiastes was written by Solomon, in the eyes of mankind under the sun and what we see. We see death, in our life, and in our eyes the dead know nothing. Be very careful taking doctrine from ecclesiastes, and Job.
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The man that talks about needs wants to continue to move the goal post to fit his narrative.
What he really wants is a button that says press me and everything you've ever want will be and this is why and how he sees God
Is it possible for you to come preach in the Turks and Caicos islands too?
Anybody notice the guy in the back make fun of cliff at 21:10?
God is not an equation you’re gonna magically figure out. There’s enough evidence to believe an he gave enough freedom to deny him Jesus said it takes a mustard seed of faith. Follow him
If it’s always good to believe in The Christian God why would God permit us atheists to be deceived?
@@jasonnoble7302I don’t think he permits you to be deceived but he gave us freewill he is not gonna force you to love him or come down in the clouds once a week an say “hey guys remember I’m the right one to believe”. In the Bible in Roman’s it says “For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God”. I’d say like cliffe has before most atheists are hiding behind intellectual smokescreens when the matter of the fact is they don’t want to wait until marriage for s3x an they want to do xyz their way an don’t want sky daddy telling them what to do but Jesus said it takes a mustard seed of faith. Just taking the chance that he really is who he said he is an everyday reminding your self of that. Does that make sense ?
I Have a question Cliffe and Stuart, I'm just confused because acts 1:18-19 says that judas bought the field of blood where he killed himself and his guts filled up, but in Mathew 27:6-9 it says that judas threw the 30 silver coins he got from betraying Jesus threw gave it back to the authorities and hung himself, then the authorities bought the field of blood as a cemetery, Just confused is all and I hope you can explain it. Maybe its because of the different human perspectives that the bible uses to make it more reliable like you said in your other video, just wanted your take 🤔.
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The reason why, he said he didn’t come to abolished the law is because he fulfilled the law. He fulfilled the ceremonial laws because he himself is the true and genuine artifact, of which those ceremonial laws only were a shadow.
Funny how the disciples still kept the law after he ascended 🤔
@@Bunyourdesires Do you mean the sacrificing of animals? Do you mean eating food that was kosher?
@@ioansavedbygracethrufaithi2737 they kept all the law, even the nazarite vow.
I was reading something that says God is man made, my faith is already weak this is ruining everything, it says because there’s so many different religions each country just created it’s own idea to explain the existence of earth. Someone please give an argument to this to strengthen my faith
I believe this same statement actually proves God: Every society has a religion, meaning every society comes to the conclusion of a higher being. Yet, there is only one that can be ultimately proven
As an atheist, I would genuinely love to have a productive conversation with cliffe, I wouldnt try and say god isnt real because in reality I really dont know i just find it unlikely, I'd like to ask questions with an open mind like if god wants us to worship him, why did he give us a free will? If god is real and has the power that he does why cant I find anyway to contact god? If god is real why does he make us find out when we die and make us decide if religion is a lie amongst a world of liars?
You sound like you're sincere in wanting to know God better. That's good. But why do you need a middle man? Be patient. Do not stress about not having all the answers. Humble yourself. Do not lean on your own understanding. Allow yourself to grow in wisdom. Do not make any assumptions of who you think God is. Be VERY careful in whom you listen to telling you who God is. Let God be God. No, I did not answer any of your questions directly. That's only because I suck at explaining things. I did however give you a foundation to start from in growing in faith in God.
@@Echo-cy3gn I am! I have a weird fascination with death and what comes after. And it's not so much I need a middle man, in fact I'd say the opposite, I'd really like to hear God themself get my faith to grow, I can't rely on preachers or bibles as there are tons of different interpretations of what Christianity is, whats right and wrong and tons more. And people like Joel olstien and Kenneth something reallllyyyy make it hard to believe in anything as they have a luxurious life while still asking for donations from people using the name of God... they go unpunished. God has no limit to his power yet he can't convince the people that what they are doing is wrong? That and humans are not even close to as smart as we could be... we don't really understand everything yet but we are getting somewhere. We don't know things like what an atom looks like, what's outside of space if there is an outside to space (I like to think there is an edge of space because something cannot begin without an end, but I don't have space answers lol) and if our consciousness completely fades or transforms... we are energy and energy cannot be creator or destroyed, just transformed. But we don't have an idea of where our consciousness is or how to study it 😅 thank you for your kind words by the way 😊
Joel Olstein and Kenneth Copeland are frauds. They are the perfect example of the "wolves in sheep's clothing" that Jesus warned us to be wary about. Just because they haven't been punished doesn't mean they won't be. However, as is stated in the Bible, it is not the will of God that anyone should perish. So as long as they are alive, they have the opportunity to repent and come to Christ as they are meant to, grounded upon a foundation of humility. The thing is, none of us know how long we will be alive, so it would be wise to at least start aiming your trust toward Christ. Some would say that's not good enough, that you need to jump in 100% from the get go. But somehow I think getting to know Christ is a gradual learning experience, as is with any serious relationship. Why do people insist Christ is the only way? I have no way to explain it other than God is not just a powerful being who arbitrarily decides what's right and wrong. He doesn't take it upon Himself to assume authority. He IS authority. Christ the Son is the submissive nature of God the Father's authority. All goodness, justice, holiness, righteousness, compassion, humility and love are rooted in who God is. @@FenrirRL420
@@FenrirRL420I love your questions, I may not be able to answer them so greatly like Cliff but I will say, God has put limits on our knowledge so that we will stay protected on this earth, similar to how when Satan tempted Eve to eat the fruit of knowledge. In society we see our bodies as "naked" or "gross" because of the fruit of knowledge. I hope this sorta helps with the understanding on why we don't know so much because even I question what is in space. There was another video with Cliff explained to someone who asked how we would all fit in heaven and he states how heaven is an infinite space similar to our galaxy. I took that as him saying that outside of earth and outside our solar system there is life out there. We may not be able to prove it because we cannot travel light years to planets that are similar to earth but at least we have this bit of knowledge to know that there is life outside of our solar system.
@@dannyphantom_gotchu thank you for your kind words! The thing that gets to me is if our knowledge is limited to protect us, what is the danger of knowledge? Wouldn't the point of life technically be to learn and understand as much as you can? To be fair we only have the life expectancy that we do today because of what we do understand and know today. And I actually forgot to mention something about heaven, doesn't the Bible state that only 72,000 people make it to heaven? And if so, how would God shun away the ones who worshiped him?
Or take both old n New Testament as one laws included but as the official sacrifice no sacrificial law exists after him
C what I’m sayin yessir
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Look to the cross for our salvation and repent. Amen.
Back when people were respectful
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The answer to why there seems to be contradictions in the Bible, especially with the dietary commands, is because of the dispensation of the grace of God which was a mystery hid in God and revealed to the apostle Paul by the risen Christ. In this dispensation, we are not under any dietary command as Israel, or sojourners in Israel, as well as the whole law of Israel. We are under the law of faith.
Cliffe do you believe in the deliverance of demons for today? I know Jesus did it but many don't believe demons can be in people. I had a deliverance and everyone around me noticed the change in me
Look at the beauty around us… there is a supernatural Creator. He is God and He loves us. There are things unseen but the Bible says… ”“I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” - John 16:33 NIV … Let us put our trust and faith in Jesus who is risen ❤ the Creator has the ability to use His people and His Word to tell us the Truth. He loves us enough to give us instruction. Go to Him with a childlike faith because He sees and knows us.
Oh, WOW, you're right! I see there is some beauty around me. So, this particular god you've mentioned MUST be real. I have been looking for a SOUND argument that concludes this Christian god to be a reality. And now I am convinced. Praise God.
So that I don't forget your thoroughly convincing argument:
P1. There is a supernatural Creator.
P2. He is God and He loves us.
P3. There are things unseen.
P4 The Bible states that "I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have peace."
Oh, wait. I have already forgotten the rule of inference which leads to one inevitableble and logical coclusion from these premises. Remind me again.
Where is cliffe
Jesus is the king without a double of shadow
Cliffe is 100% right when he says that those white slave owners profited greatly from the labors of black people a few hundred years ago. My question is, why didn't Jesus make it abundantly crystal clear that owning another human being as your own property was, in the words of Cliffe "ab- so- lute- ly evil", to hammer home his point, he could have made it crystal clear that would 100% include people of a different skin color, in particular, black skin. As I understand it, the white Christian slave traders did not consider those native black Africans as fully human. To use a basketball term, Jesus dropped the ball there i think.
God: Everyone has free will. You can either follow me, or you can burn in hell. Your choice, man!
Is cliff alive?
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Civil law, clothes law, food laws, ceremonial law
Moral law- sermon on mt
Unwashed hand
On sabath
God doesn’t punish, we choose. Not exclusive. Free will
With god, without god. Saved.
Punisher. God does not separate, you do.
How is there suffering? Choice.
Faith is a deep trust. Obey.
Complete sentences. No
Thought rational. Rarely
Justification? Nary
Babble. Perpetual
Valid points. Wash hand. Free the will. Punisher. Conclusive
Moral. Why? Goosebumps
@@Theo_SkeptomaiWhy are you replying to my notes on what I heard in this discussion?
Is this a normal youtube interaction for you?
I guess I'm having a tough time understanding what you are doing with your reply to my post. Sometime I get replies when people want to engage in discussion, but I'm just not understanding. Thought I should ask as to your purpose or point.
Cliffe/Stuart you probably won’t see this comment but if you do I have a few questions
I wonder if he would like the book of mormon
No. It’s a false religion. Not Christianity
God loves you man but not your sin. The question is how much do you love God sir.
Loved the "marshmallow man" analogy at 13:40 , but isn't that exactly what Christians have created with the " Jesus is God argument" ? They cling to the hope that Jesus is their answer to life after death, so they insist Jesus is God although Jesus never once said "I am God"
Oh? John 8:58 states "Jesus said unto them, verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." Which is Jesus Christ stating he is God, and if you dont see how, turn to Exodus chapter 3:13-14 "And Moses said unto God, behold when I come unto the children of Isreal, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: And he said thus shalt thou say unto the children of Isreal, I AM hath sent me unto you.
@@Zacwilco The idea that a man is God, is perhaps the most controversial statement in the history of humanity. Many cultures, ( Greeks, Romans, ancient Egyptians,,etc) have created human Gods to help them understand the world around them. Christians follow a long tradition of humanity desiring a human God, and so the biblical notion that Jesus is God is part of that delusion. Just think about it. Jesus himself never explicitly said " I am God even to his closest disciples during their private conversations. Yet in 2024, Christians hold fast to the feeblest of statements such as" "I AM" to certify a claim of such importance. For example" Before Abraham , I AM , is more a claim in support of reincarnation than deification. Always bear in mind that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
@JohnSpencer90 you said Jesus "never once claimed to be God" which is false. He did more than once. I've given you the proof, hence why when Jesus proclaimed "before Abraham was, I AM" to the jews he was talking with, they picked up STONES TO STONE HIM FOR BLASPHEMY. They knew even back then he was claiming to be God. So yah your wrong about that saying Jesus never claimed to be God.
@JohnSpencer90 also, if there is no God and universe spontaneously came from nothing (an EXTRA ORDINARY CLAIM) Where's your Extra ordinary proof? Lol complete bogus fallacy but to each their own! Regardless one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Jesus Christ Is LORD.
@@Zacwilco Thank you for your response. Let's keep our conversation civil and avoid unkindness. I'm not looking to win a debate; rather, I have some questions.
For instance, we understand that words can have multiple interpretations and lead to disagreements, especially considering the nuances, innuendos, symbols, and metaphors in language. Jesus, being intelligent, would have been aware of this complexity. So, why didn't such a profound thinker, who carried arguably the most significant message in history, explicitly say, 'I am God'?
It's true that he lived in challenging times, with the Romans targeting him for sedition and religious authorities trying to accuse him of blasphemy. However, why not clarify his divinity even to his closest followers? Why leave a controversy that has lasted for 2,000 years?
The problem with the guy in red he doesn't understand yeshuas sacrifice enough
I wish I could ask you questions, you would be empty headed on me.
There was another preacher who said how we don't blame Mozart when a musician plays his music badly. Likewise, we shouldn't blame God for horrible acts done in His name by awful people, like many atheists do.
There will always be religion as long as there is death and suffering.
Slavery is not condemned in the Bible, nor is it encouraged. But if slavery happens to be your cup of tea, the Bible certainly has rules on slavery.
God rates crime on a different scale than we do. That is why slavery, rape, and child abuse are not part of the 10 commandments.
It is much more important to God that we don’t worship Baal, or cast any doubts about his absolute magnificence.
@@all_bets_on_GaneshYou a Pagan?
@@lilblock3564 no
@@all_bets_on_Ganesh what does your statement say about god?
@@CJBlake-ym6ky not talking about you