I find it funny that Christians give all their money to the church which in reality has been controlled by 1 family of direct family ties as in father to son or cousin sense the 800s when the church of Christianity was founded. Every single pope has been direct family member of every single pope. The leaders of Christianity is one family that has brain washed billions over nearly 1200 years to follow a corrupt religion. Its the exact same with every religion where 1 family has ruled as its leadership sense the religion was founded. Its blatantly 1 corrupted evil family ruling over a bunch of dumbasses and that is religion.
You can see the look of thoughts n walls crashing in the mind of the bottom right Jesus lover in the yt short , "it's hyperbole " lol I wonder if he know how to calculate the trajectory of a hyperbolic function
In Matthew 10:34-36, Jesus said, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'" In this passage, Jesus is speaking metaphorically about the division that may occur within families as a result of following him. He emphasizes that following him and his teachings can bring about conflict and division, even among close family members. It is important to note, however, that Jesus' intent is not to promote discord or family strife but rather to emphasize the cost and commitment of discipleship.
@@brandonsmith2172 No, it's not common sense. When the bible describes how to take care of your slaves, it's not common sense. It's based on the values of people hundreds of years ago in a vastly different culture. What is literal to them might be a metaphor for you, and vise-versa. A lot of it is assumptions made by translators and corrected to fit the English language just to make it marketable. Christians just like choose themselves to fit their own narrative on how God operates; saying the parts they like are to be taken to heart, while the slavery, homophobia, sexism, genocide, etc are metaphors. It's wildly inconsistent and I'm honestly baffled people take this copy of a translation of an interpretation of a copy so seriously.
Funny how everything clearly problematic is a metaphor and there's a convenient INTERPRETATION that makes the iron age mythology fit into modern morals after a large dose of mental gymnastics
Theses shorts are a disservice though. It only shows short segments that is what's completely wrong with our media today. Instead of looking at context...it's all 10 second clips and then likes and dislikes from a 10 second segment of an entire conversation. The division that Jesus was talking about would be those who choose to follow Him and those who will choose not to, which may divide families. This video si a perfect example of the division that can be witnessed between 1 man and 2 strangers divided by belief in Jesus Christ.
It is out of context though...which shows you can't make a logical response to an argument like this short 10 second clip is showing. These "shorts," are going to ruin the world...where people will base their views on a ten second clip from an hour long argument. It's the same kind of people who will start responding to YT videos and have only watched 30 seconds of a 10 min video.@@gregdenson7544
@@gregdenson7544dang imagine getting context from a Book you discredit. Lol I’d be sure about my arguments if they even chance eternity. Love you bro ❤️✌️
When it supports their argument its literal, perfectly translated, etc. When it works against them it's supposed to be interpreted, hyperbole, mistranslated, taken out of context, etc.
But he doesn't understand the Bible. I thought this debate wasn't a good one. This is atheist vs. Christian. Not what is the atheist interpretation of everything. Also he was wrong on most of the things he said about Christianity. The reason why he is wrong is because he is an expert on atheism. Not an expert in religion..
Cause Jesus used a lot of parables and analogy’s. There’s a lot misinterpretation and misunderstanding on a lot of key verses in the gospels. Just like there’s a lot of literal interpretations of it. Non believers get so fixated on the misconceptions of it. There’s 50/50 in there and why can’t there be? Sorry you don’t understand it.
@@lesliverspy3095yeah I’m sorry too, cause imagine how many people go to hell because they don’t understand it. When it could all be cleared up if god willed it
@@notreally1203 no no no, no one goes to hell for misunderstanding the Bible. The verse that talks on how to get there is clear. You must accept Jesus Christ into your heart as your lord and savior. And have faith in him. That’s a clear and literal verse right there with no figure of speech or meaning
Ecclesiastes 9:5- For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. 2 Corinthians 5:8 King James Version 8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version 19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
@@yoyeo1900no, you seem not to understand that the Hebrews didn't believe in an afterlife that only came after they were conquered by pagan Nations like Babylon, Persia, Greece, just like HELL wasn't a concept in Israel in those days, it was Sheol, and everyone from Abraham and David to Marduk and Molech went there. The reason the Pharisees and Sadducees had such a problem with jesus's teachings it's because they were infested with pagan theology, where is the Pharisees and Sadducees mostly stuck to the ideas that were canonical Israelite scripture. Like the RISEN DEAD. Like GOD HAVING CHILDREN, AND OBVIOUSLY SO, HAVING A WIFE, WHOM HE *F Ū ¢ |{ £D*...yeah, SOOO not totally a pagan idea going against ALLEGED Hebrew monotheism. And was HE NOT THERE TO DESTROY OR INVALIDATE THE LAWS OF MOSES? Any preacher will give you such high quality mental gymnastics about how that was NOT AT ALL his true intent, IN FACT JUST THE OPPOSITE, they need to be in the Olympics. But then tell me why only Jews who reject Christ are the only people who still (supposedly attempt) to follow "The Law"? And if pagan theology is not so embedded into Christianity and Judaism that is coming out of their pores, tell me why you and every other Christian in Hebrew invoke the name of the pagan Egyptian sun God EVERY TIME YOU PRAY, which itself, praying, is a form of sympathetic magic, more commonly known as VOODOO, that is, communicating with an entity or physically affecting matter in another place OR ANOTHER DIMENSION. Where is God and Jesus in heaven and hell in THIS DIMENSION? Still wouldn't matter if you were "praying" and someone heard it in, say, another county, THATS STILL VOODOO BABY. That's why the ancient Israelites weren't allowed to pray to God or even to SPEAK HIS NAME, for in sympathetic magic, just knowing somebody's name and reciting it or chanting it allegedly holds power over said entity. That's why Jacob wanted to know the name of the "Angel" (god, lowercase g, non human homonid of "Divine" origin")after he kicked his a$s all night, and that's PRECISELY WHY the "god" DID NOT WANT TO TELL HIM, THATS why only Aaron and Moses could talk to YJWH in the tent of meeting, THATS WHY one of the ten commandments was not to make graven images because that's basically like a VOODOO DOLL, I wasn't around back then but apparently if you did it right you could control something just by speaking ones name or having an image of it. Aleister Crowley said he mastered this dark art to the point where he develop the power to knock a man off his feet 50 yards away-now who knows if THATS true, but pagan theology is so steeped in to ancient Judaism and Christianity that that's basically what these religions are and THAT'S WHERE THEY CAME FROM. Pagans with historically first, Israelites were (ALLEGEDLY)born and bred out of Egypt (so no duh they say Amen all the f'ing time), then Israelites separated themselves from these practices and beliefs under Hezekiah in the 7th century BC, the old scriptures and all pagan content was edited out or at least most of it you will find places here and there, (example to cure the plague of snakes all the Israelites had to look at or bow in front of a bronze sculpture of a SERPENT, UPON YHWS'S COMMAND) until again they were invaded by more pagans, the exile did more to paganize the Israelites then I believe any other time since they were MIGRANT WORKERS in Egypt. Just look at the theology of the scriptures we know we're written before the Babylonian exile and look at Jesus's teachings, mystical and.... Yep, Pagan AF. But then when you get deeper into it you realize that the person of Jesus never actually existed, it's a caricature of an individual representing a certain ideology, most probably created by the Romans to distract them from focusing on their hatred for the Romans for how they treated the Hebrews. (Hebrews/Israelites were not called Jews until centuries later that's why I don't say it while referring to them during this time in history)
I'm Catholic in Ireland, I don't go to church anymore. I say prayers at night, I believe I'm conversing with God when I do. I'm just haven a chat with him, just shooting the breeze, and being thankful for my life, and the important people in my life. Is it God I'm talking to, a single being? Is it the Universe itself? Is it energy that I'm aligning my energy with when I say those prayers that puts me in the zone? Are we humans the Universe made manifest, trying to figure itself out? Do I know what I'm talking about? I don't know 🤷♂️ and that mystery, that wonder, asking questions, my imagination, makes my life interesting. Maybe that's what all this, is all about 🤷♂️ being conscious, being aware, and having many ideas, exploring everything about ourselves and the Universe itself, or ourself 🤔
I’m also Irish but I’m not catholic, I guess you could say I’m Protestant, which has a bad name in Ireland but it’s just non catholic Christian’s, I’ve been to catholic mass and find it to not have great teachings (don’t get me wrong the god parts are fine) but I find that some teachings are wrong If I had to give one price of advice it would be to try a local church not a catholic one but a small enough one as they are normally very welcoming,hope this helps
@@CultOfMajorathe point is that this guy is a fool. Clearly Jesus didn't want to separate wives from husbands. He was saying that your love for him should be so great that it would seem as though you hate your spouse because of how much you love him. Does that make sense?
It would be nice if Aron actually knew the Bible by more than just a bunch of words in a book. Anybody can read words. It takes more to have understanding.
Right, because you're so 'special' you can interpret words to their spiritual meaning better than the rest of us mere-mortals. There is a certainty to this reality... There will always be dumb people so there will always be religion.
@@ThePeej75 I take it English isn't your 1st language? I certainly hope so because after reading your barely coherent retort, you proved my comment correct.
"Parents don't own their children. You are the caretakers of those children. You are instilled with a responsibility to raise responsible members of society and to teach them the minimal things that they will need to carry on a productive life when you're not around." -- Matt Dillahunty
As long as you dont claim things like: homosexuals have to change their orientation to be loved by god, or things like that, everything is ok and smooth.
Well, there are just too many people trying to pass legislation that is based on their book of fables. If it was as simple as just believing whatever without people forcing those beliefs on everyone else, then there would be no issue.
You see no harm? You haven't look hard enough. Parents killing their kids to "save" them from hell. Honor killing cause the daughter lost her virginity. Killing others because their beliefs dont align with yours or you believe they stole your holy land. Let's not ignore all the bullshit that's attached to thus disgusting religion.
Jesus is literally saying that the families that are divided in allegiance to him will fight amongst themselves. Once again Aaron Ra proves he not only doesn't have basic biblical literacy, but he also does it with a whataboutism.
@@GnosticGnome You giving the reason and it don't matter. Jesus separates families, still doing that to this day and its evil. Anyone that chooses a book over they own family member is a POS. What Aron said was 100% correct...
@@GnosticGnome Oh nooo...that would be too much...I'm the dumbest atheist commentor and you still had to covert to trolling....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Cause the smartest theist is still an idiot that thinks magic and fairytale sare real.
Timothy 2:12 - I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. My favorite verse to tell people who think the Bible is the end all be all of knowledge lol
You really should add the next verse too. Toghether it literally says "Women should shut up and get knocked up". Why any woman would ever follow this book of hate is beyond me.
Oh no worries! "it's just hyperbole" after all! Think imma write a new book. "theists are not permitted to teach their BS as fact or assume authority over anyone based purely on their religious privilege. They are to shut the fuck up."
"its called hyperbole" "You don't understand the cultural context" "this was mentioned again and refuted" These 3 answers are things I would get as responses to the kind of comment you wrote, and all of them are equally stupid. I just want you to see them in all their stupidity
Hyperbole? Either the Bible is wrong, or is so vague and subject to misinterpretation that it loses all credibility on just lack of clarity alone. Choose.
It's like Atheists never heard of poetry as soon as the Bible comes into play 🤦♂️ Now everything has to be taken 100% seriously just cause they have an issue with bias.
@@SonGoku-wd4mi right now tell us is the earth 6000 years old or 4500000000 years old? because religion cant do math jesus died for your'e original sins 2000 yrs ago the orignal sin occurred 70000 years ago by adam and eve. bible says that earth = was made 6000 years ago made EH????HOW!? im missing 62000 years LOL i mean big LOL thats allot of years just waching doing nothing! anyway i count that 2222 genartions are to rot in hell (taken in account the average lifespan in those times was about 30-40 but lower was probably the case leading up to an even higher ammount of generation being justified to enternal punisment for having done nothing wrong) while WET REBOOT was optional thats youre god not mine. religion for the special idiots.
He isn't wise though. He bases his arguments on only one logical consideration. Scientists proved last century reality is dualistic in nature. Which means we can get at least TWO logical outcomes from a single argument. Otherwise opposition would be random which it's not. Newton proved that. Reality is so much cooler than what these regurgitates spew
One of the most frustrating things with the Christian view that believing in Jesus is the only way to heaven, is that things should either just be clear or should be revealed when you try to believe it. I really wanted to believe in Christianity, but I found I didn’t have a good reason and no revelation came. So if it’s true I’m left with either the idea that God doesn’t want me to know yet, or I somehow wasn’t earnest like others I see who no less about the Bible than I do. It’s absurd.
You wanted to believe Christianity but it’s more than that you have to live it everyday it’s very hard its easier being a atheist cause you just live with your own rules and do what you want. It’s hard trying to be christian you’ll fail more you’ll fail everyday cause Jesus set a standard that we can’t reach that’s why God sacrificed his only Son so we could have a chance at salvation. Speaking from my own experience as a Christian every day you feel your not doing enough for God. But even than when I asked Jesus to save my life he did and for that I’ll follow him to the grave.
@@boerbru9721please don’t speak about how it’s easier being an atheist. You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Especially considering you don’t know for a fact what you’re saying is true so you’re spewing what you believe as fact. Please have some humility.
@@boerbru9721 I tried living it. I used to go to church, read the Bible so much I was yelled at for reading it in school when I finished my work. I went to youth group, and tried advocating it to others. And even became a leader in a church program. But then I realized that I had just trusted the words of my church leaders that their was good evidence and didn’t know it myself. I asked them for the evidence they had and combed through it and other evidence and found that it didn’t actually hold muster. I asked god to give me revealation or guide me to the strong evidence but I had nothing. So I’m left with either he doesn’t want me to know yet or he doesn’t exist, but I couldn’t continue to believe something I didn’t have a good reason for. I don’t particularly regret the time I spent devoted to it, but I can’t bring myself to advocate something I don’t have that confidence in anymore. You say it’s easy being atheist, but I had to reconstruct my entire worldview from scratch. I had to realize I could do good for goodness sake. I had to reveal I became an atheist to my family and those in the church. To feel them judge me or cut me off entirely. It might be easy for those that grew up atheist, but for me Christianity was easier since my purpose was clear and I had a community to back me.
@@jrskp3677 i can understand that when i was a Christian, many like me let other people read the bible to them and just believed because you was told to believe. after i hit 30 things just started looking like mythology. It became clear that it is the mythological stories of the Israelites and their god no different than the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians. Some of these people out right deny reality for the bible even when you show them proven earth history.
@@jrskp3677 my dad was more involved in the church and is now a minister. His view when i ask was that man wrote the bible. I dont think he liked the hard questions or he cant reason fast enough to combat them and i didnt push back then or now. Not sure what percentage of it he actually believes.
@@jrskp3677 he is far down the ladder at the church. i would say it's more of a status since he been there so long as a highly active member in a large church. 3 US cities, 4500 acres of farm land, and 1 church that opened in Nigeria 4 years ago.
@@defenestratefalsehoodsFirst of all, the Bible says that this life is very important! In the fact that what we decide to do with Jesus Christ in our short finite lives here, has very big Eternal repercussions & Eternal consequences...
@@jrskp3677I relate more to this than I'd like to admit. My mother honestly I believe is a long for the ride but my dad is fully dishonest young earth creationist minister. And every discussion I've tried to have has been absolutely fruitless, no matter how much I correct and show evidence that he's wrong he just repeats the same inane bs every time. I gave up. As for my mom I actually literally had a short conversation with her that was going to start a bigger one about historicity of the bible, I was excited. Then the day came we were supposed to talk. And that week my dad got his first job as a minister. It was like a switch flipped, she was back to smiling and nodding to keep up appearances
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods and they are unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius
The doctrine about living forever is a starting point, not an end. Over the centuries, monasteries filled themselves with monks and nuns who came to contemplate the meaning of life and explore what it meant to live forever as spiritual beings. After a certain point, the most saintly of these individuals got what they needed then left the monasteries to embark on their mission. Usually it's to minister to the poor and infirm.
And then there's my atheist cousin who went to do volunteer medical work in Africa straight out of college because she has empathy and stmpathy, even though she doesn't believe that there's a god who will bless her or condemn her for her actions.
@@lnsflare1 Yeah, it doesn't take a religious person to follow a calling. What your cousin and these monastics have in common is thst they've gotten over themselves enough to know that their lives are not just about them.
I was raised to believe in God but like most i became an atheist the second I hit puberty, I didn't believe in God. I didn't even believe in the concept of a God, in my mind at the time, a "god" would just be a life form that's more advanced that I am, that doesn't make them a God. It just makes them a more advanced form of sentience. Just like I'm more advanced than an ant. But I was wrong. I still struggle with faith and doubt sometimes and have thoughts about other possibilities and feel very agnostic but somewhere in me I feel God's presence when I reach out for it and it's crazy. In a good way. And if you say "it's scientifically impossible", once I realized that it was technically scientifically impossible that life exists at all, I realized science could never disprove God's existence which is what most atheists use to justify their beliefs. All we're doing with science is trying to understand more about this creation, that's all, not disprove God's existence. If life can exist. So can God.
@@themanwithnoname1839if he exists we know then there’s more than our universe, there’s a chance we can have afterlife. And many things can have meaning, like life… If he doesn’t exist and we are just an accident random that ultimately came from nothing, definitely we know there’s no ultimate meaning. We just an accident and we create our own meaning, live our life experience and then rot. There’s no soul. No you or me. We are just biochemical reactions. There’s no such a thing as love. There’s only a sexual drive, a drive to preserve the genetic pool.
@@inthesprawl is Noah's ark a hyperbole? The great flood? Is Adam and Eve a hyperbole? Is the resurrection a hyperbole? If you ask me, of course they are, but how can you tell the difference between a passage that is a hyperbole and a passage that is not?
@@inthesprawl please describe the methodology. Just saying "same way you do with other texts" is not an answer. We can literally play this game with any holy book. Hell people who believe in the same religion can't often tell what is an isn't hyperbole and they are on the same team!
@@MG6960 I can't teach a whole graduate-level course in a comment section, but it involves studying the original language and culture, how it fits with other texts, how it was read historically, etc. The fact people disagree doesn't mean it's impossible to know which is true; Otherwise how can you read anything ever?
Listen to Michael Jones of Inspiring Philosophy talk about the problem of evil. His defence is basically that this life is so much less real than the afterlife that it's basically a dream in comparison. That fits Aron's description of christians perfectly.
Yea, Nietzsche figured that stuff out back in his time. A resentment filled, slave morality. I might be weak and meek in this life, but in the next one you’ll burn and I who removed myself from these worldly temptations and distractions will get my special eternal reward from the person who gives my life meaning and makes it so that the universe has a purpose. It’s just nihilism pretending not to be nihilism, due to it rejecting this life and this world as it is.
You won't be laughing in hell. I can assure you this fact with 100% confidence. You will be in hell apart from Jesus Christ. Just because your finite little pea brain says God doesn't exist means nothing. God exists anyways and God's existence isn't dependent on whether you believe in him or not.
Because Jesus talked like a human and used rhetoric, which is why we need to have an underunderstanding of context, Ancient Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew. The Bible is an incredibly complex old scripture which has been studied for millennia. And here we have a random guy thinking he has the answers and knowledge for all after scrolling through it a couple of times
@sweetnerevar7030 Believers say the prophet Moses, Pual the apostle, and god wrote the bible. If this is correct, how is it that what Jesus spoke "like a human" is written in the bible, and to top it off, it's not meant to be taken literally? The problem with the bible is that with each generation everyone who reads it gives it their own interpretation. No one ever talks about the pedophiles, the beating to "near death" of slaves, and other horrific sins in the bible. When confronted with these facts, you people run around in circles trying justify these scriptures.
@@robertduran178just because something is hyperbole dosent mean it’s bogus the explanation in the Oxford dictionary is “exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally” so if you had done your research you would realise Jesus talked in ‘hyperboles’ all the time, when Jesus was teaching the parable of the sower he talked about seeds and it’s later explained these seeds are people who hear the word,no he is not literally saying we are seeds, a hyperbole
@NewPhone-cm6mp Yes, of course. Every time there's an error, contradiction, or a sin like pedophilia and slave beating in the bible, then it becomes hyperbolic.
@sweetnerevar7030 "Rhetoric" language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.
Except for it’s very clear when someone is saying multiple extreme stances that it’s hyperbole. versus when the phrase truly truly is used to mean something literal. like is a text supposed to be 100% literal and 100% hyperbole all the time?
yeah and you are also dumb and uneducated :) opinions over opinions but in fact religions drawed many moral laws and 90% it was the christianity who said not kill no rape nor revenge by yourself! it is litereally a crime if you go revenge your hurt cause not self defense anymore! :) buddy we live all by the bible moral laws cause it is the only vay for a working society! not stealing not murdering not revenging not liying not raping etc etc etc... you can show up your uneducation and opinions still the society use the biblical moral in their law! -_-
If you see this and think Aron even came close to being right I suggest you watch the entire debate, he done nothing but say "WRONG" "you're wrong, I'm right" and throw tantrums all the way through whilst easily being dealt with by Cliffe and Stuart.
Yes it is. Read and understand. Jesus was trying to make a point. You have no understanding of the Bible. I speak with hyperbole all the time, and so do you. Imagine if people took everything you said literally? Language would cease to exist if we did that.
@@boombox3819you can’t rationalize with these people man. They will continue to attack and oppress us without any evidence behind their logic. All we can do is pray and possibly talk with them.
If you actually took what was said in context or cared to practice exegesis on the text in question you’d realize you and Aron Ra are ignorant. Aron Ra likes to cherry pick verses from the Bible and say “Ha! Gotcha!” And when a theologian or anyone countering his argument pleads with him to actually do a modicum of exigesis and textual analysis all he can say is “well that’s what it says”! No, that’s NOT what it says. Dig deeper. The entirety of the Bible is not to be taken at a surface level where you read it once and take it literally. You have to read the context of who it was being told to, what the authors intention was, what it means to us as a third party, and more. What Aron Ra is doing is called “Eisigesis”. He is inserting his own presuppositions into the text in order to find what he already assumes is there, and this creates a subjective issue, and distracts from the objective meaning of the text. If you’re going to be an atheist, atleast do it right.
@@kl690 Please, do tell me your special, divinely interpretation of the scriptures. I, a lowly and illiterate bastard will surely take your word for it.
@@brianlawson3757 The interpretation I’m describing is not special or divinely. I’m not asking you to listen to me while I spoon feed it to you, I’m asking you to use critical source material like Greek dictionaries, the Septuagint (the original manuscripts of the text), and other study material to actually see what things mean and don’t take Aron’s word for it. The fact that I can’t have a civil conversation with atheists about this very topic baffles me. I’ve tried telling them this before and they usually just get angry or refuse to even consider doing this crucial research for their belief. Shouldn’t we strive to not insert our own bias into the text? That’s the point of exigesis and what I as a Christian (and what any skeptic should) strive to do. Adulterating the text is lying.
Because you are? Sorry my Bible doesn’t fit the evil Christian narrative you believe in? Jesus spoke in many parables and figures of speech. So there’s a lot of figure of speech in the Bible. Just like there’s context behind more confusing verses like “fear god” or “wear a veil in the assembly”
@@CultOfMajora dude that's very simple. If it fits their narrative then it's literal. If it goes against their narrative and arguments then it's a figure of speech, or a metaphor, or a hyperbole, or a mistranslation, or it's taken out of context
@@ivandarmawan9372 yes, I am very aware of that, I was only saying that because this commenter loves to throw out this claim without any backing up evidence
@@CultOfMajorathat's why it's so important to study your Bible, to read it everyday, so that your knowledge of it can grow and you get better at interpreting it. Here's a good way to tell if something in the Bible should be taken literally or not: read it and if it contradicts the ten commandments then it probably isn't to be taken literally. So clearly Jesus isn't literally trying to separate children from parents, because that contradicts the fifth commandment. Here's what Jesus really meant: your love for Christ should be so sincere that it seems as if you hated your parents. He doesn't mean literally hate your parents, he means love him with all of your heart. Please ask me more questions I get bored I love replying to people
"It's called 'hyperbole'." As soon as he says that ONE THING Jesus said is "hyperbole", he needs to provide a test to determine WHICH THINGS Jesus said were hyperbole and which were literal.
MrGevander a test you can use for it to be hyperbole is to ask does Jesus and the rest of scripture contradicts itself? The verse I believe he is talking about is: “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.” Luke 14:26 NKJV So then we ask does Jesus actually mean HATE them or in a since make them secondary and put Jesus first and that He should take precedence over all things in our worldly life. The reason I come to this conclusion is because Jesus in Matthew 15:4 & Exodus 20:12 we are commanded to honor our father and mother. Also in 1 John 3:15 if you HATE your brother, that makes you a murderer; therefore, you will not have enteral life in heaven. All things now being said we can see that if we say that hate actually means hate scripture, Jesus, and God all contradict each other. Which is not so. MrGevander I plead with you to fear the Lord because through that comes knowledge and hope you find salvation in Jesus Christ because even though you choose to suppress the truth in unrighteousness Christ still died for you, loves you, and wishes that you come to repentance and faith in Him. PS: Please read with humility and I eagerly suggest reading the Bible yourself and not taking my word for all this! This is all out of love! Hope this reaches you.
Hello my fellow neighbor, if you are going through a rough time please if you could just give God 1 hour of your Sunday morning. Speak with someone there and see what can happen. Just give Jesus a try, you don’t have to do anything extreme but give Him and hour of your day.
@@LuisGonzalez-dj3bh 1st, I have been a believer for 20 years. 2nd. It's kind of bad theology to tell people to just give Jesus a try, like a drug. I get what you're trying to get at, but I don't think telling people to just give Jesus a try like a drug that's gonna solve all your problems.
@@Youfkingnoodles777 I am not trying to argue with you, my friend. You sounded like you are not enjoying your life. I wanted to share with you a possible solution. A relationship with Jesus is not a drug, but it is a relationship and it’s something you have to develop and some people don’t even want to give him a chance. That is why I worded it the way I did, because I was not trying to come off forceful just wanted to share something that has brought me nothing but joy. 🙌🏽
@LuisGonzalez-dj3bh why is Christianity the only religion that is forced on others????? There were no writings of Jesus until 50 years after the supposed crucifixion. That totally proves him to be fake! You people are delusional idiots!!!! Fact!
@@LuisGonzalez-dj3bh "A relationship with Jesus is not a drug" Very true. It's a weak minded coping mechanism for people who are able to brainwash themselves into blind belief and devotion (faith) to deal with the intense dread that is awareness of our own mortality and impermanence in reality. "just wanted to share something that has brought me nothing but joy" Some people want to experience the real world and cannot use this coping mechanism no matter how hard they try. Not everyone is able to form such a solid disconnect from reality like this.
except that the whole verse was completely out of context and in no way did Jesus ever imply to just let life pass by and wait for the afterlife. It was a goofy point
Who said anything about not valuing this life?? Life is an absolute blessing and no one no matter saved or not saved will be happy to die when the time comes.
@@Urban-Spaceman Believing that the universe and the human mind just popped up "caused" by nothing coming from dead things, is a kinda weird position to say you're rational. Hmmm... I mean, is intelligence coming from stupid, dead, mindless things? You atheists really redefined the word "rationality" and you did it very well and you even did it "scientifically". That's a great one, I give you that. You can be everything, but rational with that worldview.
@@alexanderstephen1567 What a completely irrational, or disingenuous, view of what atheists believe. No atheist is saying that the Universe and human mind popped into existence from “dead things”. That’s stupid. So either you’re wilfully misinterpreting what atheists believe or you’re just ignorant on what atheists believe. Which is it?
This Debate was so one sided it was hilarious. The “arbiter” just allowed the Atheist guys to speak when any dispute came and allowed them to yell. Pretty odd ngl
No....Christians tell you we live in a fallen world filled not only with joy but also immense suffering. We look forward to the renewal of all things, so our joy isn't interrupted by nonsense.
@@heidro1005 When telling the truth is considered shameful that only exposes the wicked and their deceitful ways. Larry Nelson is the epitome of a scoffer whether or not you agree or disagree with his pseudo science.
@@alexanderstephen1567 You're forgetting. The claimant of a positive fact (aka "There is a god" ) must PROVe his claim with evidence and a falsifiable condition which has proved untrue. You didn't, Aron-Ra wins. This is why it is always "Atheist 1, Deluded god peddlar 0"
@@hellstromcarbunkle8857 The same principle applies to you but you do not realize that. If you say that this keyboard I'm using doesn't need any designer to exist, the burden of proof is on your shoulder, because every design, by default, has a designer, and you must SHOW me by observable evidence how a keyboard can design itself. Scientists discovered that the universe is fine-tuned. So, by default, the universe has a Tuner, a Designer. If you claim that this universe and life has no designer, no God, then prove how design can make itself. So, no, no, no. The burden of proof is on you. Convenience me that the universe and life made itself without a Creator. By default, there is a Creator. So, you, as an atheist, must come up with observable evidence of how everything can be without a Creator, especially how LIFE came from NON-LIFE (dead things). So, Christians, the Sons of the Eternal living God, won by default, until proven wrong. Arona Ra= 0 Christians, the Sons of the Eternal living God = ∞
The 3rd dimension is the lowest form. But if you can't control the flesh, how can you imagine you can understand the fourth it fifth,, etc. Forgive and love.
Here's a simple litmus test: If you believe, as a child does, that magic is real, then you are likely to be religious. If you grow up and mature enough to realize magic is a childhood fantasy, then you become secular and refuse to keep your head up your ass.
Ok but as a Christian we see it like the younger you are the less sin you’ve done so the more pure you are the older you get the more you sin the more demons you get then you start to lose faith but with the help of Jesus and the Holy Spirit he can come back into your life
You're talking points presuppose the supernatural doesn't exist in order to conclude that one is more mature than the other, but that is only based on a framework that you have, and it has an element of circular reasoning in it. Due to the fact that it is a worldview that rejects the supernatural, and therefore also rejects supernatural intuition and the contrast between the carnal mind and The mind of the Spirit, of which the strengthening of the carnal mine grounds a person in the flesh, and the strengthening of the spiritual aspect grounds a person in the supernatural, and that there can be a dualistic nature in childhood fantasy where the child has genuine supernatural intuition but is trying to connect the dots and fill in the gaps with his imagination to make sense of what he's experiencing. However, if a person presupposes that the supernatural doesn't exist, then he will reason in a way that already presupposes it doesn't exist in order to call his position more mature. It's simply a choice. A person can choose not to ignore these intuitions and allow ones self to discover greater reality, or a person can choose to reject those intuitions and explain away his experiences that further imprisons him into this physical reality. A person's reasoning will most certainly enforce his position as an atheist, and likewise, the person's reasoning (or experience) Will enforce once beliefs. It's simply a choice, and it's not more complicated than that. The thought process of the atheist is not more "mature", that is only a matter of perception. That is "the stumbling block". The idea that this reality is all that we see and that we develop our own value and morality has an inherent shallowness to it. It is superficial. Pursuing greater reality is not superficial, it is to be "profound" or "deep". It's more mature.
@@Bi0Dr01d1.) do not listen to intuitions as if they lead you correctly. They nearly always don’t. 2.) You cannot demonstrate the supernatural. So if you can’t do that, you should NOT believe in it. So all this nonsense about carnal crap is just that, nonsense.
"The faith has taught you to deny your heart's desire and turned you into a prisoner within yourself. Break the chains and discover who you were meant to be. Break the chains... and be beautiful in sin."
@@carlgray523 It's like a tool to help develop us, to teach us right from wrong. Everyone is going to heaven, but most people are going to learn the hard way that God's ways are by far the best.
Christianity teaches you to have faith and believe so that AFTER you die you go to a special place FOREVER. Regardless of what they claim Jesus "taught". Christianity emphasizes the reward (heaven) over the now.
The best life would be that of those in the mummy movies. You live like 100 years. You die, you sleep and then wake up. And then you're like f*** it. Let's live 100 more. 😂
@@coffeeaka5569 Sure. A good life for the first century or two. Everything you want, exactly when you want it. That would get boring real fast. Then finding new things to learn, new ideas to explore. That would eventually get old too. So then what about the next billion centuries? Then the billion centuries after that? Then the next billion centuries... And it can NEVER end. See how that would be a bad thing?
Dave Allen said it best . in the bible its says a.snake came down from a tree and started talking and she ate a fruit that makes you feel shame .. And this is the book you place.your hand on in court and say I swear to tell the truth ...
The point is that your actions in this world determine your fate in the next, nobody said this life is an arduous journey you gotta go through, its more of a testing ground partially
I'm a 29 year old that converted to Catholic Christianity at 26 and in my experience my life is so much more meaningful and just overall better than when I was an agnostic atheist. It's not even really comparable. I met my wife at Church and we have a daughter and a second on the way. We're hoping to have a whole bunch of cute lil babies so we can teach them about Jesus and we hope and pray that when they grow up they can have a whole bunch of cute lil babies and teach them about Jesus too LOL If you're trying to argue that atheism produces human flourishing, I'd like to point to increasing anti depression usage, increasing suicidality, shrinking birth rates and general degeneracy in the culture. You don't have any leg to stand on to claim that atheism makes your life better.
When I became atheist my life was WAY better. I didn’t believe in a huge lie and escape the indoctrination, I was able to be more open minded than most religious people, I saw the truth and excepted my reality that I was given. Not the one I wanted. I got to learn things about the world I probably never would have known if I stayed Christian. My depression knowing I might go to hell due to my sexuality and peers went away. My life is so much better than it was before and that’s enough to make me stay atheist, especially when I can prove my beliefs
I have a hard time believing people when they say I used to be an atheist but now I'm a christian because frankly, once you see religion for the BS it is, it's pretty hard to unsee it.
Atheists call religious people delusional but refuse to admit a historical figure existed. What a hypocritical world we live in. Next you will say Alexander the Great also was a myth
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." Marcus Aurelius
I've never heard anyone love to hear himself talk as much as Aron Ra. It helps to let other people answer an you listen twice as much as you talk. That's why you have 1 mouth and 2 ears. Expecially on topics you no nothing about
Have you never gone inside of a church? You will find endless amounts of these people only they know about a quarter of what Aron does. Saying someone is dumb because you don't like what they say is just you telling the world how ignorant you are. I don't believe in your God but I would never call a pastor an idiot just for speaking about something that millions enjoy hearing.
omg... the 1 mouth 2 ears retardism. No that's not why you have 2 ears, nor is it why you have 1 mouth. Let me guess, you also repeat "that's why the windshield is so big and the rearview is so small" amirite?
It's funy to think how atheist think they are right by stating a book, chapter verse from the Bible without context or proper studies. They know they are wrong, they just don't accept that
so gross right? ever since i gotten closer with Jesus, I overcame years of resentment for my passed dad, and living mother. How disgusting is that? If you had a bad experience with a christian don’t let that taint your experience with JESUS. We all are sinners, we all make mistakes. Don’t look up to another mere human that also struggles with his own wicked ways. Read the bible and see for yourself. See how the true righteous man lived. Jesus Christ.
@sevenfiddybrah ive read the bible, its a fairy tale. Also, if you had read the bible you'd know that ruining families was part of JCs plan. Matthew 10:32-37 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven. 34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law- 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
@@sevenfiddybrah ... sure! Just ask all the God-fearing Christians who disowned & threw out of their families the sons & daughters who violated the will of Heaven by coming out to them as liberal, feminist, atheist, homosexual, transsexual -- Oh. Wait.
@@sweetnerevar7030 Nope, Sin doesn't exist, Maybe you can say i'm a bad person since i'm addmitedly very greedy but that's not a sin, It's a bad quality that i need to work on. Sin requires a god to be real first badness doesn't and badness can't be transferred to your entire bloodline/gender
@@itaytv4425 badness or evil is not transferred to our entire bloodline or gender. It is the act of sinning/being sinful. Also why is it a bad quality? What makes you say that?
He talks about Matthew 10:34-40, but it starts at 28 for full context. Jesus Christ summarized with don’t think I’ve come to bring peace, but a sword. Sword doubles as the word of GOD (HEBREWS 4:12), and justice of Revelation. Word of GOD is both Jesus Christ Himself and the Gospels that contain the wisdom/laws of GOD. The word of GOD has laws that convict us with accountability. If your family rejects that accountability, they lie to themselves thinking it is better to continue in a self destructive path than a constructive path. It is better to be an enemy of liars (humans) than the enemy of truth (GOD) (ACTS 5:25-40). We need to value truth over our own home, Christ over our own home. Truth over our own lives, as the Apostles did, as Jesus Christ did. We don’t need to worry about this life, not that it isn’t valuable, but it isn’t all there is. And if it is, why should people be so quick to shed blood over such a miserable existence? We are accountable for our own soul and those around us, which is ultimately beautiful. It’s not Hyperbole, I personally think they were caught off guard. People say the most valuable thing is human life yet degrade it and destroy it every day, completely contradicting themselves.
@@pyroblast3000 so if you don't believe in the supernatural then you don't believe love is real, depression anxiety is real. Big bang didn't happen multiverse dark energy etc....
@@jeremynolan852 none of what you cited are supernatural dude, they all have naturalistic explanation which have evidence; except for the multiverse which is an hypothesis, and dark energy is not completely understood but it is not supernatural; is funny how confident you could say such a thing
The guy arguing for Christians doesn't even know Jesus' words in the Bible. There's no excuse for that ignorance, because we don't have a lot that Jesus said.
The Christian describes the words (quoted by the critic of the religion) as hyperbole, not realizing they were the ascribed words of the founder of the religion he expouses to defend. What pig ignorance! He lacks any grace, he is totally aggressive. But at least Christians don't scream that they're going to kill you, due to some kind of edict, as some religions do. Religion is a nasty side of human nature based on myths, lies, control behavior, social and family pressure to conform and comply unquestioningly. It's brainless. Hence, it's been called "philosophy for stupid people".
@@walshamite except for Buddhism. Buddhism is pretty smart. And meditation is now being studied in science/ neuroscience. Meditation is the core of Buddhism. Not a creator god. Some people consider Buddhism to be an atheistic religion as Buddha was an athiest/ agnostic. If your interested I would recommend you get started with the zen branch of Buddhism. Bodhidharma etc. osho is pretty good aswell although he’s not a Buddhist but teaches same philosophy and knows buddhism very well aswell.
The words of Jesus were not written until 50 years after his supposed crucifixion. They are not real! The catholic church made you think they were real by printing them in red! Fact! If you dumbasses would study how the book was written, there would be no Christianity period....
@@Nazareth07., Suggestion: Get your hands on the "red letter edition" Bible. You'll see that the total words of Jesus is relatively miniscule. And a lot of it is repeated on top of it. So I'm wondering why you make such false claims, considering you don't know the Bible to begin with...
@@idrees9674 your life isn’t purposeless even if a creator deity gave you none. If life and the universe has no meaning and purpose, then the only purpose that matter is what you decide
@@archmaester6594 Yes you can a have a made up purpose to live for, but that doesn't change the fact that life has no original purpose to it. No matter what you claim to be your purpose of life, in the end, it's all made up
My grandma saw the angels before she died they both communicated. Heaven is real and Jesus is real because I had encountered Him everything Jesus said came true.
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I find it funny that Christians give all their money to the church which in reality has been controlled by 1 family of direct family ties as in father to son or cousin sense the 800s when the church of Christianity was founded. Every single pope has been direct family member of every single pope. The leaders of Christianity is one family that has brain washed billions over nearly 1200 years to follow a corrupt religion. Its the exact same with every religion where 1 family has ruled as its leadership sense the religion was founded. Its blatantly 1 corrupted evil family ruling over a bunch of dumbasses and that is religion.
yes more pls.
Jesus is god
Called hyperbole
You can see the look of thoughts n walls crashing in the mind of the bottom right Jesus lover in the yt short , "it's hyperbole " lol I wonder if he know how to calculate the trajectory of a hyperbolic function
In Matthew 10:34-36, Jesus said, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'"
In this passage, Jesus is speaking metaphorically about the division that may occur within families as a result of following him. He emphasizes that following him and his teachings can bring about conflict and division, even among close family members. It is important to note, however, that Jesus' intent is not to promote discord or family strife but rather to emphasize the cost and commitment of discipleship.
Why speak metaphorically in the first place? And who decides what is literal and what isn't? You?
@@TheBlueKio remains a mystery doesn’t it
@@TheBlueKio The Church and also its clear with common sense as the verse literally applies today.
@@brandonsmith2172 No, it's not common sense. When the bible describes how to take care of your slaves, it's not common sense. It's based on the values of people hundreds of years ago in a vastly different culture. What is literal to them might be a metaphor for you, and vise-versa. A lot of it is assumptions made by translators and corrected to fit the English language just to make it marketable. Christians just like choose themselves to fit their own narrative on how God operates; saying the parts they like are to be taken to heart, while the slavery, homophobia, sexism, genocide, etc are metaphors. It's wildly inconsistent and I'm honestly baffled people take this copy of a translation of an interpretation of a copy so seriously.
Funny how everything clearly problematic is a metaphor and there's a convenient INTERPRETATION that makes the iron age mythology fit into modern morals after a large dose of mental gymnastics
Theses shorts are a disservice though. It only shows short segments that is what's completely wrong with our media today. Instead of looking at context...it's all 10 second clips and then likes and dislikes from a 10 second segment of an entire conversation.
The division that Jesus was talking about would be those who choose to follow Him and those who will choose not to, which may divide families. This video si a perfect example of the division that can be witnessed between 1 man and 2 strangers divided by belief in Jesus Christ.
I noticed that too. The actual debate was nothing like these clips.
So, christians telling me I'm taking it out of context?
I did Nat-C that coming.
It is out of context though...which shows you can't make a logical response to an argument like this short 10 second clip is showing. These "shorts," are going to ruin the world...where people will base their views on a ten second clip from an hour long argument. It's the same kind of people who will start responding to YT videos and have only watched 30 seconds of a 10 min video.@@gregdenson7544
@@gregdenson7544dang imagine getting context from a Book you discredit. Lol I’d be sure about my arguments if they even chance eternity. Love you bro ❤️✌️
Nope it's not
When it supports their argument its literal, perfectly translated, etc.
When it works against them it's supposed to be interpreted, hyperbole, mistranslated, taken out of context, etc.
When it supports their argument it's science when it doesn't it was just a debunk theory
But he doesn't understand the Bible. I thought this debate wasn't a good one. This is atheist vs. Christian.
Not what is the atheist interpretation of everything.
Also he was wrong on most of the things he said about Christianity.
The reason why he is wrong is because he is an expert on atheism. Not an expert in religion..
Cause Jesus used a lot of parables and analogy’s. There’s a lot misinterpretation and misunderstanding on a lot of key verses in the gospels. Just like there’s a lot of literal interpretations of it. Non believers get so fixated on the misconceptions of it. There’s 50/50 in there and why can’t there be? Sorry you don’t understand it.
@@lesliverspy3095yeah I’m sorry too, cause imagine how many people go to hell because they don’t understand it. When it could all be cleared up if god willed it
@@notreally1203 no no no, no one goes to hell for misunderstanding the Bible. The verse that talks on how to get there is clear. You must accept Jesus Christ into your heart as your lord and savior. And have faith in him. That’s a clear and literal verse right there with no figure of speech or meaning
"No Christian ever believes that the Bible means what it says: The Christian is always convinced that it says what they mean."
~George Bernard Shaw
That was stupid and made no sense
George nailed it.
@@67icebowl shows how stupid you are
Because it’s true!!!!
Well we know where George Is unfortunately 🔥
Yeah thats why athiesm almost always leads to nihilism. Im so glad to no longer be an atheist and to leave the errors of my ways.
lmfaooooooooooooooooo
We're glad to no longer be associated with you. Good luck with your immorality and cringe beliefs.
Then why are most atheists not nihilists?
Lol so you were stupid all along
I have a family, a successful career, and I'm an atheist.
I think you have a bad data set.
Ecclesiastes 9:5- For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten
One of the few truths in the bible.
@@UncleNiikii
He's speaking of the physical, not the spirit. It's addressed in chapter 12.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
2 Corinthians 5:8
King James Version
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Matthew 6:19-21
King James Version
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
@@yoyeo1900no, you seem not to understand that the Hebrews didn't believe in an afterlife that only came after they were conquered by pagan Nations like Babylon, Persia, Greece, just like HELL wasn't a concept in Israel in those days, it was Sheol, and everyone from Abraham and David to Marduk and Molech went there.
The reason the Pharisees and Sadducees had such a problem with jesus's teachings it's because they were infested with pagan theology, where is the Pharisees and Sadducees mostly stuck to the ideas that were canonical Israelite scripture. Like the RISEN DEAD. Like GOD HAVING CHILDREN, AND OBVIOUSLY SO, HAVING A WIFE, WHOM HE *F Ū ¢ |{ £D*...yeah, SOOO not totally a pagan idea going against ALLEGED Hebrew monotheism. And was HE NOT THERE TO DESTROY OR INVALIDATE THE LAWS OF MOSES? Any preacher will give you such high quality mental gymnastics about how that was NOT AT ALL his true intent, IN FACT JUST THE OPPOSITE, they need to be in the Olympics.
But then tell me why only Jews who reject Christ are the only people who still (supposedly attempt) to follow "The Law"?
And if pagan theology is not so embedded into Christianity and Judaism that is coming out of their pores, tell me why you and every other Christian in Hebrew invoke the name of the pagan Egyptian sun God EVERY TIME YOU PRAY, which itself, praying, is a form of sympathetic magic, more commonly known as VOODOO, that is, communicating with an entity or physically affecting matter in another place OR ANOTHER DIMENSION. Where is God and Jesus in heaven and hell in THIS DIMENSION? Still wouldn't matter if you were "praying" and someone heard it in, say, another county, THATS STILL VOODOO BABY.
That's why the ancient Israelites weren't allowed to pray to God or even to SPEAK HIS NAME, for in sympathetic magic, just knowing somebody's name and reciting it or chanting it allegedly holds power over said entity. That's why Jacob wanted to know the name of the "Angel" (god, lowercase g, non human homonid of "Divine" origin")after he kicked his a$s all night, and that's PRECISELY WHY the "god" DID NOT WANT TO TELL HIM,
THATS why only Aaron and Moses could talk to YJWH in the tent of meeting, THATS WHY one of the ten commandments was not to make graven images because that's basically like a VOODOO DOLL, I wasn't around back then but apparently if you did it right you could control something just by speaking ones name or having an image of it. Aleister Crowley said he mastered this dark art to the point where he develop the power to knock a man off his feet 50 yards away-now who knows if THATS true, but pagan theology is so steeped in to ancient Judaism and Christianity that that's basically what these religions are and THAT'S WHERE THEY CAME FROM. Pagans with historically first, Israelites were (ALLEGEDLY)born and bred out of Egypt (so no duh they say Amen all the f'ing time), then Israelites separated themselves from these practices and beliefs under Hezekiah in the 7th century BC, the old scriptures and all pagan content was edited out or at least most of it you will find places here and there, (example to cure the plague of snakes all the Israelites had to look at or bow in front of a bronze sculpture of a SERPENT, UPON YHWS'S COMMAND) until again they were invaded by more pagans, the exile did more to paganize the Israelites then I believe any other time since they were MIGRANT WORKERS in Egypt.
Just look at the theology of the scriptures we know we're written before the Babylonian exile and look at Jesus's teachings, mystical and.... Yep, Pagan AF.
But then when you get deeper into it you realize that the person of Jesus never actually existed, it's a caricature of an individual representing a certain ideology, most probably created by the Romans to distract them from focusing on their hatred for the Romans for how they treated the Hebrews.
(Hebrews/Israelites were not called Jews until centuries later that's why I don't say it while referring to them during this time in history)
Aron Ra is, "God isn't real and I hate him" personified.
Nope we hate the liars and charlatans that preach the nonsense that is god. All religions are a cult and should be shutdown.
He doesn’t hate god. He dislikes religion. Aron ra doesn’t believe in god.
straw man
@@swaggyswag147 it's called an observation and personal opinion, but OK.
it's called misconstruing his position
I'm Catholic in Ireland, I don't go to church anymore. I say prayers at night, I believe I'm conversing with God when I do. I'm just haven a chat with him, just shooting the breeze, and being thankful for my life, and the important people in my life. Is it God I'm talking to, a single being? Is it the Universe itself? Is it energy that I'm aligning my energy with when I say those prayers that puts me in the zone? Are we humans the Universe made manifest, trying to figure itself out? Do I know what I'm talking about? I don't know 🤷♂️ and that mystery, that wonder, asking questions, my imagination, makes my life interesting. Maybe that's what all this, is all about 🤷♂️ being conscious, being aware, and having many ideas, exploring everything about ourselves and the Universe itself, or ourself 🤔
I’m also Irish but I’m not catholic, I guess you could say I’m Protestant, which has a bad name in Ireland but it’s just non catholic Christian’s, I’ve been to catholic mass and find it to not have great teachings (don’t get me wrong the god parts are fine) but I find that some teachings are wrong
If I had to give one price of advice it would be to try a local church not a catholic one but a small enough one as they are normally very welcoming,hope this helps
You're talking to no one/thing.
@@JimLogan-tm5ldwho are you to say that? 😂Cuz you can’t make that claim with 100% confidence. Same for the guy claiming he can talk to god 🤷♂️
I’ll drink to that!
Professing to be wise, they became fools.
Yes, the Christians do exactly that.
And the point of that is?
The older i get the more this ring true
Cringe. Quoting the bible when people mock how stupid it is to call them fools doesn't really hit that hard when you know the bible is for morons.
@@CultOfMajorathe point is that this guy is a fool. Clearly Jesus didn't want to separate wives from husbands. He was saying that your love for him should be so great that it would seem as though you hate your spouse because of how much you love him. Does that make sense?
It's like talking to a wall, Christianity makes people talk like total idiots
What is it that would make you happy then? You just want christians to shut up and watch everyone else talk about what they believe in?
Can’t play chess with a chimp
@@iamsofaking6728I mean why you probably could but. I wouldn't be fun
@@iamsofaking6728didn’t Aran ra get made out of a chimp by 1 Muslim ? Aron was stuttering and ran away?
@@iamsofaking6728or how bout the time he was trying to run away from a Christian named Jesse Lee Peterson ?
It would be nice if Aron actually knew the Bible by more than just a bunch of words in a book. Anybody can read words. It takes more to have understanding.
Right, because you're so 'special' you can interpret words to their spiritual meaning better than the rest of us mere-mortals.
There is a certainty to this reality... There will always be dumb people so there will always be religion.
@@THEeyepatch11 and there will always be people like you that follow him because they hate.
@@ThePeej75 I take it English isn't your 1st language? I certainly hope so because after reading your barely coherent retort, you proved my comment correct.
@@THEeyepatch11 are you going to say something useful or just troll?
@@THEeyepatch11 I guess you're just a hating troll.
"Parents don't own their children. You are the caretakers of those children. You are instilled with a responsibility to raise responsible members of society and to teach them the minimal things that they will need to carry on a productive life when you're not around." -- Matt Dillahunty
That why you need to teach them the truth and not all the propganda and pseudoscience from mainstream people and fake science
Well that your culture. China doesn’t believe in this.
The man has common sense down pat and honestly wish more had that
No he doesn't.
Lmao mgtow. Karen took the kids…
Only now do people "not care for eternal life" becahse they think its going to be as boring as their current one.
I see no harm in being a good person and believing something better comes next.
As long as you dont claim things like: homosexuals have to change their orientation to be loved by god, or things like that, everything is ok and smooth.
If that is/was the extent of it then I would agree with you.
Well, there are just too many people trying to pass legislation that is based on their book of fables. If it was as simple as just believing whatever without people forcing those beliefs on everyone else, then there would be no issue.
You see no harm? You haven't look hard enough. Parents killing their kids to "save" them from hell. Honor killing cause the daughter lost her virginity. Killing others because their beliefs dont align with yours or you believe they stole your holy land. Let's not ignore all the bullshit that's attached to thus disgusting religion.
How about being a good person . Full stop. Then dies like any other animal , insect or plant dies?
Jesus is literally saying that the families that are divided in allegiance to him will fight amongst themselves. Once again Aaron Ra proves he not only doesn't have basic biblical literacy, but he also does it with a whataboutism.
Meaning he [Jesus] will divide families...lol
@@pyroblast3000 Only if they reject him. Matthew 13:15
@@GnosticGnome You giving the reason and it don't matter. Jesus separates families, still doing that to this day and its evil. Anyone that chooses a book over they own family member is a POS. What Aron said was 100% correct...
@@pyroblast3000 smartest atheist commentor.
@@GnosticGnome Oh nooo...that would be too much...I'm the dumbest atheist commentor and you still had to covert to trolling....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Cause the smartest theist is still an idiot that thinks magic and fairytale sare real.
Timothy 2:12 - I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
My favorite verse to tell people who think the Bible is the end all be all of knowledge lol
You really should add the next verse too. Toghether it literally says "Women should shut up and get knocked up".
Why any woman would ever follow this book of hate is beyond me.
Oh no worries!
"it's just hyperbole" after all!
Think imma write a new book.
"theists are not permitted to
teach their BS as fact or assume
authority over anyone based purely
on their religious privilege.
They are to shut the fuck up."
"its called hyperbole"
"You don't understand the cultural context"
"this was mentioned again and refuted"
These 3 answers are things I would get as responses to the kind of comment you wrote, and all of them are equally stupid.
I just want you to see them in all their stupidity
@S_-- Mines just a direct quote from the Bible
The “she must be quiet” part was just added in by you 🤦♂️
Hyperbole?
Either the Bible is wrong, or is so vague and subject to misinterpretation that it loses all credibility on just lack of clarity alone.
Choose.
could not have said it better myself. i need a mental guide book just @ page 1.
It's like Atheists never heard of poetry as soon as the Bible comes into play 🤦♂️
Now everything has to be taken 100% seriously just cause they have an issue with bias.
It’s right.
I chose.
@@SonGoku-wd4mi right now tell us is the earth 6000 years old or 4500000000 years old? because religion cant do math
jesus died for your'e original sins 2000 yrs ago the orignal sin occurred 70000 years ago by adam and eve. bible says that earth = was made 6000 years ago made EH????HOW!? im missing 62000 years LOL
i mean big LOL
thats allot of years
just waching doing nothing!
anyway i count that 2222 genartions are to rot in hell (taken in account the average lifespan in those times was about 30-40 but lower was probably the case leading up to an even higher ammount of generation being justified to enternal punisment for having done nothing wrong)
while WET REBOOT was optional
thats youre god not mine.
religion for the special idiots.
I can bet a billion dollars that Aron Ra is a wise Klingon
He isn't wise though. He bases his arguments on only one logical consideration. Scientists proved last century reality is dualistic in nature. Which means we can get at least TWO logical outcomes from a single argument. Otherwise opposition would be random which it's not. Newton proved that. Reality is so much cooler than what these regurgitates spew
Yes without the wise
Probably the closest thing to Kehless We have. His mouth is His Bat'Leth. Q'ahPlah Aron.
Aaron Ra WILL BE where Christopher Hitchens is currently. 🥺
@@darrickcarter7941unser the ground and worm food like all of us.
One of the most frustrating things with the Christian view that believing in Jesus is the only way to heaven, is that things should either just be clear or should be revealed when you try to believe it. I really wanted to believe in Christianity, but I found I didn’t have a good reason and no revelation came. So if it’s true I’m left with either the idea that God doesn’t want me to know yet, or I somehow wasn’t earnest like others I see who no less about the Bible than I do. It’s absurd.
You wanted to believe Christianity but it’s more than that you have to live it everyday it’s very hard its easier being a atheist cause you just live with your own rules and do what you want. It’s hard trying to be christian you’ll fail more you’ll fail everyday cause Jesus set a standard that we can’t reach that’s why God sacrificed his only Son so we could have a chance at salvation. Speaking from my own experience as a Christian every day you feel your not doing enough for God. But even than when I asked Jesus to save my life he did and for that I’ll follow him to the grave.
@@boerbru9721please don’t speak about how it’s easier being an atheist. You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Especially considering you don’t know for a fact what you’re saying is true so you’re spewing what you believe as fact. Please have some humility.
@@boerbru9721 I tried living it. I used to go to church, read the Bible so much I was yelled at for reading it in school when I finished my work. I went to youth group, and tried advocating it to others. And even became a leader in a church program. But then I realized that I had just trusted the words of my church leaders that their was good evidence and didn’t know it myself. I asked them for the evidence they had and combed through it and other evidence and found that it didn’t actually hold muster. I asked god to give me revealation or guide me to the strong evidence but I had nothing. So I’m left with either he doesn’t want me to know yet or he doesn’t exist, but I couldn’t continue to believe something I didn’t have a good reason for. I don’t particularly regret the time I spent devoted to it, but I can’t bring myself to advocate something I don’t have that confidence in anymore.
You say it’s easy being atheist, but I had to reconstruct my entire worldview from scratch. I had to realize I could do good for goodness sake. I had to reveal I became an atheist to my family and those in the church. To feel them judge me or cut me off entirely. It might be easy for those that grew up atheist, but for me Christianity was easier since my purpose was clear and I had a community to back me.
The one life that you can prove that you get they think you're just passing through
@@jrskp3677 i can understand that when i was a Christian, many like me let other people read the bible to them and just believed because you was told to believe. after i hit 30 things just started looking like mythology. It became clear that it is the mythological stories of the Israelites and their god no different than the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians. Some of these people out right deny reality for the bible even when you show them proven earth history.
@@jrskp3677 my dad was more involved in the church and is now a minister. His view when i ask was that man wrote the bible. I dont think he liked the hard questions or he cant reason fast enough to combat them and i didnt push back then or now. Not sure what percentage of it he actually believes.
@@jrskp3677 he is far down the ladder at the church. i would say it's more of a status since he been there so long as a highly active member in a large church. 3 US cities, 4500 acres of farm land, and 1 church that opened in Nigeria 4 years ago.
@@defenestratefalsehoodsFirst of all,
the Bible says that this life is very
important! In the fact that what we
decide to do with Jesus Christ in
our short finite lives here, has very
big Eternal repercussions & Eternal
consequences...
@@jrskp3677I relate more to this than I'd like to admit. My mother honestly I believe is a long for the ride but my dad is fully dishonest young earth creationist minister. And every discussion I've tried to have has been absolutely fruitless, no matter how much I correct and show evidence that he's wrong he just repeats the same inane bs every time. I gave up. As for my mom I actually literally had a short conversation with her that was going to start a bigger one about historicity of the bible, I was excited. Then the day came we were supposed to talk. And that week my dad got his first job as a minister. It was like a switch flipped, she was back to smiling and nodding to keep up appearances
His chin goes forever
Man, laughed out loud here
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods and they are unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." -- Marcus Aurelius
The doctrine about living forever is a starting point, not an end. Over the centuries, monasteries filled themselves with monks and nuns who came to contemplate the meaning of life and explore what it meant to live forever as spiritual beings. After a certain point, the most saintly of these individuals got what they needed then left the monasteries to embark on their mission. Usually it's to minister to the poor and infirm.
And then there's my atheist cousin who went to do volunteer medical work in Africa straight out of college because she has empathy and stmpathy, even though she doesn't believe that there's a god who will bless her or condemn her for her actions.
@@lnsflare1 Yeah, it doesn't take a religious person to follow a calling. What your cousin and these monastics have in common is thst they've gotten over themselves enough to know that their lives are not just about them.
I was raised to believe in God but like most i became an atheist the second I hit puberty, I didn't believe in God. I didn't even believe in the concept of a God, in my mind at the time, a "god" would just be a life form that's more advanced that I am, that doesn't make them a God. It just makes them a more advanced form of sentience.
Just like I'm more advanced than an ant.
But I was wrong.
I still struggle with faith and doubt sometimes and have thoughts about other possibilities and feel very agnostic but somewhere in me I feel God's presence when I reach out for it and it's crazy. In a good way.
And if you say "it's scientifically impossible", once I realized that it was technically scientifically impossible that life exists at all, I realized science could never disprove God's existence which is what most atheists use to justify their beliefs.
All we're doing with science is trying to understand more about this creation, that's all, not disprove God's existence.
If life can exist. So can God.
Oh he CAN exist but DOES HE?
That’s simply saying anything is possible just because life exists...and we know that isn’t true...pigs don’t fly
@@themanwithnoname1839if he exists we know then there’s more than our universe, there’s a chance we can have afterlife. And many things can have meaning, like life…
If he doesn’t exist and we are just an accident random that ultimately came from nothing, definitely we know there’s no ultimate meaning. We just an accident and we create our own meaning, live our life experience and then rot. There’s no soul. No you or me. We are just biochemical reactions. There’s no such a thing as love. There’s only a sexual drive, a drive to preserve the genetic pool.
LMAO how is it scientifically impossible for life to exist? show me some evidence/research paper regarding ur horrible take
@@themanwithnoname1839Yes he definitely lives
That's hyperbole!
How do I tell hyperbole from not hyperbole in your book?
Uuummmmm...
Same way you do with other texts
@@inthesprawl is Noah's ark a hyperbole? The great flood? Is Adam and Eve a hyperbole? Is the resurrection a hyperbole?
If you ask me, of course they are, but how can you tell the difference between a passage that is a hyperbole and a passage that is not?
@@chrisrea6841 Same as any other text. Hermeneutics.
@@inthesprawl please describe the methodology. Just saying "same way you do with other texts" is not an answer. We can literally play this game with any holy book. Hell people who believe in the same religion can't often tell what is an isn't hyperbole and they are on the same team!
@@MG6960 I can't teach a whole graduate-level course in a comment section, but it involves studying the original language and culture, how it fits with other texts, how it was read historically, etc. The fact people disagree doesn't mean it's impossible to know which is true; Otherwise how can you read anything ever?
Its hyperbole when its inconvenient for me to adhere to.
Listen to Michael Jones of Inspiring Philosophy talk about the problem of evil. His defence is basically that this life is so much less real than the afterlife that it's basically a dream in comparison. That fits Aron's description of christians perfectly.
Yea, Nietzsche figured that stuff out back in his time. A resentment filled, slave morality. I might be weak and meek in this life, but in the next one you’ll burn and I who removed myself from these worldly temptations and distractions will get my special eternal reward from the person who gives my life meaning and makes it so that the universe has a purpose.
It’s just nihilism pretending not to be nihilism, due to it rejecting this life and this world as it is.
Terrible the way educated humans actually believe religious fairy stories!!!
You won't be laughing in hell. I can assure you this fact with 100% confidence. You will be in hell apart from Jesus Christ. Just because your finite little pea brain says God doesn't exist means nothing. God exists anyways and God's existence isn't dependent on whether you believe in him or not.
I would give them some credit if it was actually a good/interesting story. It’s all rubbish 😂
If it's called "hyperbole," "not meant to be taken literally," then why is it written in the bible?
Because Jesus talked like a human and used rhetoric, which is why we need to have an underunderstanding of context, Ancient Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew.
The Bible is an incredibly complex old scripture which has been studied for millennia. And here we have a random guy thinking he has the answers and knowledge for all after scrolling through it a couple of times
@sweetnerevar7030 Believers say the prophet Moses, Pual the apostle, and god wrote the bible. If this is correct, how is it that what Jesus spoke "like a human" is written in the bible, and to top it off, it's not meant to be taken literally? The problem with the bible is that with each generation everyone who reads it gives it their own interpretation. No one ever talks about the pedophiles, the beating to "near death" of slaves, and other horrific sins in the bible. When confronted with these facts, you people run around in circles trying justify these scriptures.
@@robertduran178just because something is hyperbole dosent mean it’s bogus the explanation in the Oxford dictionary is “exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally” so if you had done your research you would realise Jesus talked in ‘hyperboles’ all the time, when Jesus was teaching the parable of the sower he talked about seeds and it’s later explained these seeds are people who hear the word,no he is not literally saying we are seeds, a hyperbole
@NewPhone-cm6mp Yes, of course. Every time there's an error, contradiction, or a sin like pedophilia and slave beating in the bible, then it becomes hyperbolic.
@sweetnerevar7030 "Rhetoric" language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.
2 thiest against aron ra? More thiest needed😂
Adding theists to a debate in the hopes of a more rational approach to religion is like adding gas to a fire in the hopes of extinguishing it.
As a creationist said to me: "You don't need to interpret the bible if you know how to read it."
Oh the irony...
No everything came from nothing 😷
@@Ed-of1jomakes sense
When you pick and choose what parts of what you say are hyperbole, that's called bullshitting.
Its blatantly obvious
Except for it’s very clear when someone is saying multiple extreme stances that it’s hyperbole. versus when the phrase truly truly is used to mean something literal. like is a text supposed to be 100% literal and 100% hyperbole all the time?
@@justsomeguywithoutamustach3rd You know it when you see it, I suppose.
Atheist saying it's wrong 😅😅😅😅
All religions are absolutely childish
My guy, that's your opinion... and i respect it. Just be sure to prove your hypothesis with actual data and claims that matter, ok?
yeah and you are also dumb and uneducated :)
opinions over opinions but in fact religions drawed many moral laws and 90% it was the christianity who said not kill no rape nor revenge by yourself!
it is litereally a crime if you go revenge your hurt cause not self defense anymore! :) buddy we live all by the bible moral laws cause it is the only vay for a working society!
not stealing
not murdering
not revenging
not liying
not raping
etc etc etc... you can show up your uneducation and opinions still the society use the biblical moral in their law! -_-
They always revert to “that’s not what it means though” when it goes against what they preach
Islam cares more about the afterlife than the actual gift of life
72 virgins lmfaoo.
If you see this and think Aron even came close to being right I suggest you watch the entire debate, he done nothing but say "WRONG" "you're wrong, I'm right" and throw tantrums all the way through whilst easily being dealt with by Cliffe and Stuart.
Nothing like watching Christians try to explain away their own book when it says something they don't want it to. "No that's not what it means!!!!"
It's not hyperbole if that's literally what it says in your magic book of mystical BS.
Yes it is. Read and understand. Jesus was trying to make a point. You have no understanding of the Bible. I speak with hyperbole all the time, and so do you. Imagine if people took everything you said literally? Language would cease to exist if we did that.
@@boombox3819you can’t rationalize with these people man. They will continue to attack and oppress us without any evidence behind their logic. All we can do is pray and possibly talk with them.
If you actually took what was said in context or cared to practice exegesis on the text in question you’d realize you and Aron Ra are ignorant.
Aron Ra likes to cherry pick verses from the Bible and say “Ha! Gotcha!” And when a theologian or anyone countering his argument pleads with him to actually do a modicum of exigesis and textual analysis all he can say is “well that’s what it says”! No, that’s NOT what it says. Dig deeper. The entirety of the Bible is not to be taken at a surface level where you read it once and take it literally. You have to read the context of who it was being told to, what the authors intention was, what it means to us as a third party, and more. What Aron Ra is doing is called “Eisigesis”. He is inserting his own presuppositions into the text in order to find what he already assumes is there, and this creates a subjective issue, and distracts from the objective meaning of the text. If you’re going to be an atheist, atleast do it right.
@@kl690
Please, do tell me your special, divinely interpretation of the scriptures. I, a lowly and illiterate bastard will surely take your word for it.
@@brianlawson3757 The interpretation I’m describing is not special or divinely. I’m not asking you to listen to me while I spoon feed it to you, I’m asking you to use critical source material like Greek dictionaries, the Septuagint (the original manuscripts of the text), and other study material to actually see what things mean and don’t take Aron’s word for it. The fact that I can’t have a civil conversation with atheists about this very topic baffles me. I’ve tried telling them this before and they usually just get angry or refuse to even consider doing this crucial research for their belief. Shouldn’t we strive to not insert our own bias into the text? That’s the point of exigesis and what I as a Christian (and what any skeptic should) strive to do. Adulterating the text is lying.
Ive never met a Christian who was eager to die so they can get to heaven faster
Nah, instincts help with that.
As a Christian.. what’s wrong with pie in the sky thinking?? Soon when this life of suffering is over, i’ll fly away and my soul is prepared.
The beauty of being a homosapien is having the right to believe whatever the hell we want to....that's why we shouldn't debate beliefs.
Thumpers are amazing. When it's blatant b.s. it's metaphor hyperbole or my personal favorite.... your taking it out of context
Because you are? Sorry my Bible doesn’t fit the evil Christian narrative you believe in? Jesus spoke in many parables and figures of speech. So there’s a lot of figure of speech in the Bible. Just like there’s context behind more confusing verses like “fear god” or “wear a veil in the assembly”
@@lesliverspy3095 and you conveniently left out how we can tell the differences between what he’s saying is real in speech, go on, I’m waiting
@@CultOfMajora dude that's very simple. If it fits their narrative then it's literal. If it goes against their narrative and arguments then it's a figure of speech, or a metaphor, or a hyperbole, or a mistranslation, or it's taken out of context
@@ivandarmawan9372 yes, I am very aware of that, I was only saying that because this commenter loves to throw out this claim without any backing up evidence
@@CultOfMajorathat's why it's so important to study your Bible, to read it everyday, so that your knowledge of it can grow and you get better at interpreting it. Here's a good way to tell if something in the Bible should be taken literally or not: read it and if it contradicts the ten commandments then it probably isn't to be taken literally. So clearly Jesus isn't literally trying to separate children from parents, because that contradicts the fifth commandment. Here's what Jesus really meant: your love for Christ should be so sincere that it seems as if you hated your parents. He doesn't mean literally hate your parents, he means love him with all of your heart. Please ask me more questions I get bored I love replying to people
"It's called 'hyperbole'."
As soon as he says that ONE THING Jesus said is "hyperbole", he needs to provide a test to determine WHICH THINGS Jesus said were hyperbole and which were literal.
MrGevander a test you can use for it to be hyperbole is to ask does Jesus and the rest of scripture contradicts itself?
The verse I believe he is talking about is:
“If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.”
Luke 14:26 NKJV
So then we ask does Jesus actually mean HATE them or in a since make them secondary and put Jesus first and that He should take precedence over all things in our worldly life. The reason I come to this conclusion is because Jesus in Matthew 15:4 & Exodus 20:12 we are commanded to honor our father and mother. Also in 1 John 3:15 if you HATE your brother, that makes you a murderer; therefore, you will not have enteral life in heaven.
All things now being said we can see that if we say that hate actually means hate scripture, Jesus, and God all contradict each other. Which is not so.
MrGevander I plead with you to fear the Lord because through that comes knowledge and hope you find salvation in Jesus Christ because even though you choose to suppress the truth in unrighteousness Christ still died for you, loves you, and wishes that you come to repentance and faith in Him.
PS: Please read with humility and I eagerly suggest reading the Bible yourself and not taking my word for all this! This is all out of love! Hope this reaches you.
It's not actually hyperbole. Has He not divided people? He has, and you see it in families.
have you read the verse they’re talking about?
He either picked the wrong shirt or wrong background.
Lmao🤣
I honestly hope there's something better after this life because this life sucks.
Hello my fellow neighbor, if you are going through a rough time please if you could just give God 1 hour of your Sunday morning. Speak with someone there and see what can happen. Just give Jesus a try, you don’t have to do anything extreme but give Him and hour of your day.
@@LuisGonzalez-dj3bh 1st, I have been a believer for 20 years.
2nd. It's kind of bad theology to tell people to just give Jesus a try, like a drug. I get what you're trying to get at, but I don't think telling people to just give Jesus a try like a drug that's gonna solve all your problems.
@@Youfkingnoodles777 I am not trying to argue with you, my friend. You sounded like you are not enjoying your life. I wanted to share with you a possible solution. A relationship with Jesus is not a drug, but it is a relationship and it’s something you have to develop and some people don’t even want to give him a chance. That is why I worded it the way I did, because I was not trying to come off forceful just wanted to share something that has brought me nothing but joy. 🙌🏽
@LuisGonzalez-dj3bh why is Christianity the only religion that is forced on others????? There were no writings of Jesus until 50 years after the supposed crucifixion. That totally proves him to be fake! You people are delusional idiots!!!! Fact!
@@LuisGonzalez-dj3bh "A relationship with Jesus is not a drug"
Very true. It's a weak minded coping mechanism for people who are able to brainwash themselves into blind belief and devotion (faith) to deal with the intense dread that is awareness of our own mortality and impermanence in reality.
"just wanted to share something that has brought me nothing but joy"
Some people want to experience the real world and cannot use this coping mechanism no matter how hard they try. Not everyone is able to form such a solid disconnect from reality like this.
Yeah right - as soon as it doesn't fit the narrative it's called hyperbole...
except that the whole verse was completely out of context and in no way did Jesus ever imply to just let life pass by and wait for the afterlife. It was a goofy point
First thing religious people do when on a plane that starts to demonstrate extreme turbulence is call up Jesus to keep from having to meet Jesus😅😂
It's the atheists praying It's not too late.
@@yoyeo1900ha nice joke, like u
@@themanwithnoname1839
Get some help with your demons.
This was a good debate both sides had good points
Who said anything about not valuing this life?? Life is an absolute blessing and no one no matter saved or not saved will be happy to die when the time comes.
It’s called hyperbole … another word for b.s.
100%
Hyperbole has a meaning
bs meaning completely made up is not quite the same thing as hyperbole. Hyperbole means to be exaggerated and not to be taken literally.
This isn't a hyperbole it's a parable and an put of context one as well
Considering when one uses 'b.s.' to describe something they are not pointing at literal bull excrement, you perfectly showcased the point.
Aron Ra destroys apologists
How?
@@alexanderstephen1567By being rational.
@@Urban-Spaceman Believing that the universe and the human mind just popped up "caused" by nothing coming from dead things, is a kinda weird position to say you're rational. Hmmm... I mean, is intelligence coming from stupid, dead, mindless things? You atheists really redefined the word "rationality" and you did it very well and you even did it "scientifically". That's a great one, I give you that.
You can be everything, but rational with that worldview.
@@alexanderstephen1567 What a completely irrational, or disingenuous, view of what atheists believe. No atheist is saying that the Universe and human mind popped into existence from “dead things”. That’s stupid. So either you’re wilfully misinterpreting what atheists believe or you’re just ignorant on what atheists believe. Which is it?
@@Urban-Spaceman you misspelled "irrational"
This Debate was so one sided it was hilarious. The “arbiter” just allowed the Atheist guys to speak when any dispute came and allowed them to yell. Pretty odd ngl
No....Christians tell you we live in a fallen world filled not only with joy but also immense suffering. We look forward to the renewal of all things, so our joy isn't interrupted by nonsense.
Hey Aron 2nd Peter 3 vs 1-7 is all about you.
You said Peter😂
@@jasonmarburger9356 But, did you read it?
Don't embarrass yourself further 🤦♂️
@@heidro1005 When telling the truth is considered shameful that only exposes the wicked and their deceitful ways. Larry Nelson is the epitome of a scoffer whether or not you agree or disagree with his pseudo science.
@@1GODISNOWHERE1 claiming fairytales are real is not telling the truth 🤦♂️
Aron Ra = 1
Idiots = 0
Aron Ra = 0
Christians - The Sons of Eternal God = ∞
@@alexanderstephen1567 Odd not one of them has presented evidence of your B.S. claim
@@hellstromcarbunkle8857 Did Ra present any?
@@alexanderstephen1567 You're forgetting.
The claimant of a positive fact (aka "There is a god" ) must PROVe his claim with evidence and a falsifiable condition which has proved untrue.
You didn't, Aron-Ra wins.
This is why it is always "Atheist 1, Deluded god peddlar 0"
@@hellstromcarbunkle8857 The same principle applies to you but you do not realize that. If you say that this keyboard I'm using doesn't need any designer to exist, the burden of proof is on your shoulder, because every design, by default, has a designer, and you must SHOW me by observable evidence how a keyboard can design itself.
Scientists discovered that the universe is fine-tuned. So, by default, the universe has a Tuner, a Designer.
If you claim that this universe and life has no designer, no God, then prove how design can make itself.
So, no, no, no. The burden of proof is on you. Convenience me that the universe and life made itself without a Creator.
By default, there is a Creator. So, you, as an atheist, must come up with observable evidence of how everything can be without a Creator, especially how LIFE came from NON-LIFE (dead things).
So, Christians, the Sons of the Eternal living God, won by default, until proven wrong.
Arona Ra= 0
Christians, the Sons of the Eternal living God = ∞
The 3rd dimension is the lowest form. But if you can't control the flesh, how can you imagine you can understand the fourth it fifth,, etc. Forgive and love.
Here's a simple litmus test: If you believe, as a child does, that magic is real, then you are likely to be religious. If you grow up and mature enough to realize magic is a childhood fantasy, then you become secular and refuse to keep your head up your ass.
morons like you will believe in Aliens but say God doesnt exist lol
And people continue to say that atheism doesn't promote a superiority complex
Ok but as a Christian we see it like the younger you are the less sin you’ve done so the more pure you are the older you get the more you sin the more demons you get then you start to lose faith but with the help of Jesus and the Holy Spirit he can come back into your life
You're talking points presuppose the supernatural doesn't exist in order to conclude that one is more mature than the other, but that is only based on a framework that you have, and it has an element of circular reasoning in it.
Due to the fact that it is a worldview that rejects the supernatural, and therefore also rejects supernatural intuition and the contrast between the carnal mind and The mind of the Spirit, of which the strengthening of the carnal mine grounds a person in the flesh, and the strengthening of the spiritual aspect grounds a person in the supernatural, and that there can be a dualistic nature in childhood fantasy where the child has genuine supernatural intuition but is trying to connect the dots and fill in the gaps with his imagination to make sense of what he's experiencing. However, if a person presupposes that the supernatural doesn't exist, then he will reason in a way that already presupposes it doesn't exist in order to call his position more mature.
It's simply a choice. A person can choose not to ignore these intuitions and allow ones self to discover greater reality, or a person can choose to reject those intuitions and explain away his experiences that further imprisons him into this physical reality. A person's reasoning will most certainly enforce his position as an atheist, and likewise, the person's reasoning (or experience) Will enforce once beliefs. It's simply a choice, and it's not more complicated than that. The thought process of the atheist is not more "mature", that is only a matter of perception. That is "the stumbling block". The idea that this reality is all that we see and that we develop our own value and morality has an inherent shallowness to it. It is superficial.
Pursuing greater reality is not superficial, it is to be "profound" or "deep". It's more mature.
@@Bi0Dr01d1.) do not listen to intuitions as if they lead you correctly. They nearly always don’t. 2.) You cannot demonstrate the supernatural. So if you can’t do that, you should NOT believe in it. So all this nonsense about carnal crap is just that, nonsense.
Bible is the actual words of God when you like the content and it is hyperbolic when you don't. Cherry-picking?
who told you the bible is the actual words of god
@@showtime1235Did you even read the entire comment?
Why have a relationship with religion when you can have a relationship with reality
It would be helpful if Aron understood Christianity. That might help him in his debates
Life is way more fun without sin.
All problems come from sin.
You've never lived the life without sin therefore you wouldn't know. And a world with the god of the Bible is evil immoral and disgusting.
"The faith has taught you to deny your heart's desire and turned you into a prisoner within yourself. Break the chains and discover who you were meant to be. Break the chains... and be beautiful in sin."
Nah
Sin that God created!
@@carlgray523 It's like a tool to help develop us, to teach us right from wrong.
Everyone is going to heaven, but most people are going to learn the hard way that God's ways are by far the best.
"Its called hyperbole"
At a time where the concept of Hyperbole didn't exist in language?
Says who? Jesus spoke in parables all throughout the gospels
Are you slow
Are you out of your mind😂 you think there was only literal linguistics in ancient times?
The concept of hyperbole were there though? Is dolphin in the Bible?
Ah yes, hyperbole, invented by John Hyperbole in the XIX century
Christianity teaches you to have faith and believe so that AFTER you die you go to a special place FOREVER. Regardless of what they claim Jesus "taught". Christianity emphasizes the reward (heaven) over the now.
The moment i learned that the greatst scientist ever lived sir Isaac newton believes in God, i never listen to any atheist anymore
Say something to start the conversation
To live forever is a punishment.
How cum
It's good life .
The best life would be that of those in the mummy movies. You live like 100 years. You die, you sleep and then wake up. And then you're like f*** it. Let's live 100 more. 😂
@@welchce
I believe living forever ideas is good .
No pain , bad no more
Happy happy life .
@@welchce
100 years ?
I don't think so , i know it's movie
@@coffeeaka5569 Sure. A good life for the first century or two. Everything you want, exactly when you want it. That would get boring real fast. Then finding new things to learn, new ideas to explore. That would eventually get old too. So then what about the next billion centuries? Then the billion centuries after that? Then the next billion centuries... And it can NEVER end. See how that would be a bad thing?
those things in the bible that we agree, we should take them literally. But those that don't agree with us, they're figures of speech.
Jesus is king of kings❤❤🙏
Dave Allen said it best . in the bible its says a.snake came down from a tree and started talking and she ate a fruit that makes you feel shame .. And this is the book you place.your hand on in court and say I swear to tell the truth ...
Better than your Qur'an. Beat women and you praise mommahed like he is your god Allah. Identity crises!!
Your brain is so small
Everything that makes us look bad is hyperbole.
The point is that your actions in this world determine your fate in the next, nobody said this life is an arduous journey you gotta go through, its more of a testing ground partially
There is no god
How do u know ?
I'm a 29 year old that converted to Catholic Christianity at 26 and in my experience my life is so much more meaningful and just overall better than when I was an agnostic atheist. It's not even really comparable. I met my wife at Church and we have a daughter and a second on the way. We're hoping to have a whole bunch of cute lil babies so we can teach them about Jesus and we hope and pray that when they grow up they can have a whole bunch of cute lil babies and teach them about Jesus too LOL
If you're trying to argue that atheism produces human flourishing, I'd like to point to increasing anti depression usage, increasing suicidality, shrinking birth rates and general degeneracy in the culture. You don't have any leg to stand on to claim that atheism makes your life better.
When I became atheist my life was WAY better. I didn’t believe in a huge lie and escape the indoctrination, I was able to be more open minded than most religious people, I saw the truth and excepted my reality that I was given. Not the one I wanted. I got to learn things about the world I probably never would have known if I stayed Christian. My depression knowing I might go to hell due to my sexuality and peers went away. My life is so much better than it was before and that’s enough to make me stay atheist, especially when I can prove my beliefs
I have a hard time believing people when they say I used to be an atheist but now I'm a christian because frankly, once you see religion for the BS it is, it's pretty hard to unsee it.
Jesus didn't preach at all because he is a plagiarized MYTH!
Love you, Aron! ❤
No sir
@@coffeeaka5569yes
@@coffeeaka5569Jesus is not nor has he ever been real. Your indoctrination makes your delusion real!
@@carlgray523
Slow Down
You are atheist so u don't need redeemer .
Atheists call religious people delusional but refuse to admit a historical figure existed. What a hypocritical world we live in. Next you will say Alexander the Great also was a myth
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."
Marcus Aurelius
Yeh... Christianity applies the "hyperbole" concept when it magically "too fucking convenient" for their story...😅😅😅
You clearly have no idea how to exegete text.
I've never heard anyone love to hear himself talk as much as Aron Ra. It helps to let other people answer an you listen twice as much as you talk. That's why you have 1 mouth and 2 ears. Expecially on topics you no nothing about
Have you never gone inside of a church? You will find endless amounts of these people only they know about a quarter of what Aron does. Saying someone is dumb because you don't like what they say is just you telling the world how ignorant you are. I don't believe in your God but I would never call a pastor an idiot just for speaking about something that millions enjoy hearing.
If you think that you know so much more than Aron on Christianity or religion in general then debate him.
Anytime, anyplace, but he has gotten it handed to him Everytime I see him debate a Christian. He does well against Muslims though.
omg... the 1 mouth 2 ears retardism. No that's not why you have 2 ears, nor is it why you have 1 mouth.
Let me guess, you also repeat "that's why the windshield is so big and the rearview is so small" amirite?
It funny they want us to take and trust the Bible so literally until it doesn’t fit their narrative then it’s hyperbole.
Exactly.
It's funy to think how atheist think they are right by stating a book, chapter verse from the Bible without context or proper studies.
They know they are wrong, they just don't accept that
This guy is so obviously broken
Who
Wow. That’s so deep. 😂
Hyperbole my left foot, christians take that literally. It does seperate them from friends and family. It's gross
so gross right? ever since i gotten closer with Jesus, I overcame years of resentment for my passed dad, and living mother. How disgusting is that? If you had a bad experience with a christian don’t let that taint your experience with JESUS. We all are sinners, we all make mistakes. Don’t look up to another mere human that also struggles with his own wicked ways. Read the bible and see for yourself. See how the true righteous man lived. Jesus Christ.
@sevenfiddybrah ive read the bible, its a fairy tale. Also, if you had read the bible you'd know that ruining families was part of JCs plan. Matthew 10:32-37
“Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law-
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
@@sevenfiddybrah ... sure! Just ask all the God-fearing Christians who disowned & threw out of their families the sons & daughters who violated the will of Heaven by coming out to them as liberal, feminist, atheist, homosexual, transsexual --
Oh. Wait.
You hear that Jesus claims aren't meant to be taken literally According to this Christian.
It's a sickening idea. Most cult ideas are. Original sin etc. It's so disgusting.
Are you not a sinner?
@@sweetnerevar7030 Nope, Sin doesn't exist, Maybe you can say i'm a bad person since i'm addmitedly very greedy but that's not a sin, It's a bad quality that i need to work on.
Sin requires a god to be real first badness doesn't and badness can't be transferred to your entire bloodline/gender
@@itaytv4425 badness or evil is not transferred to our entire bloodline or gender. It is the act of sinning/being sinful.
Also why is it a bad quality? What makes you say that?
Aron Ra lost this one. Instead of reacting to the point he just brought up something irrelevant to the topic.
😅😅😅😅
Says the dude who is ok with child murder.
No I'm pretty sure he thinks the global flood is about as evil as it gets it's just not a true story
Not once did Aron promote "child murder".
@Zasz that he's ok with it not that he's promotes it, your reading comprehension is on par with Aron ras
@@greyngreyer5 I’m not Muslim. I hate religion.
@@bubblegumgun3292 To be ok with it means he promoted it at some point. He didnt. You are making shit up.
Time is nothing in the face of eternity....
He talks about Matthew 10:34-40, but it starts at 28 for full context. Jesus Christ summarized with don’t think I’ve come to bring peace, but a sword. Sword doubles as the word of GOD (HEBREWS 4:12), and justice of Revelation. Word of GOD is both Jesus Christ Himself and the Gospels that contain the wisdom/laws of GOD. The word of GOD has laws that convict us with accountability. If your family rejects that accountability, they lie to themselves thinking it is better to continue in a self destructive path than a constructive path. It is better to be an enemy of liars (humans) than the enemy of truth (GOD) (ACTS 5:25-40). We need to value truth over our own home, Christ over our own home. Truth over our own lives, as the Apostles did, as Jesus Christ did. We don’t need to worry about this life, not that it isn’t valuable, but it isn’t all there is. And if it is, why should people be so quick to shed blood over such a miserable existence? We are accountable for our own soul and those around us, which is ultimately beautiful. It’s not Hyperbole, I personally think they were caught off guard. People say the most valuable thing is human life yet degrade it and destroy it every day, completely contradicting themselves.
atheist argument: christianity is wrong because i don't like it. i don't care if it's fact/reality. what is real to me is i don't like it! 😑
No it's wrong because it doesn't reflect reality. You people are the ones making claims with no means to support them. With no evidence
Ok, prove the supernatural is reality, I'll wait...
@@pyroblast3000 so if you don't believe in the supernatural then you don't believe love is real, depression anxiety is real. Big bang didn't happen multiverse dark energy etc....
@@pyroblast3000Are you a moral realist?
@@jeremynolan852 none of what you cited are supernatural dude, they all have naturalistic explanation which have evidence; except for the multiverse which is an hypothesis, and dark energy is not completely understood but it is not supernatural; is funny how confident you could say such a thing
This is what you get after “20 years of research”
Nothing in the Bible should be taken as it's written unless we say. ~Every Christian in debate
no one values my life, I am punished tortured and abused, I have to beg God to stay alive
The guy arguing for Christians doesn't even know Jesus' words in the Bible. There's no excuse for that ignorance, because we don't have a lot that Jesus said.
The Christian describes the words (quoted by the critic of the religion) as hyperbole, not realizing they were the ascribed words of the founder of the religion he expouses to defend. What pig ignorance! He lacks any grace, he is totally aggressive. But at least Christians don't scream that they're going to kill you, due to some kind of edict, as some religions do. Religion is a nasty side of human nature based on myths, lies, control behavior, social and family pressure to conform and comply unquestioningly. It's brainless. Hence, it's been called "philosophy for stupid people".
@@walshamite except for Buddhism. Buddhism is pretty smart. And meditation is now being studied in science/ neuroscience. Meditation is the core of Buddhism. Not a creator god. Some people consider Buddhism to be an atheistic religion as Buddha was an athiest/ agnostic. If your interested I would recommend you get started with the zen branch of Buddhism. Bodhidharma etc. osho is pretty good aswell although he’s not a Buddhist but teaches same philosophy and knows buddhism very well aswell.
The words of Jesus were not written until 50 years after his supposed crucifixion. They are not real! The catholic church made you think they were real by printing them in red! Fact! If you dumbasses would study how the book was written, there would be no Christianity period....
What? The entire new testament is literally Jesus throughout the entire thing. Almost all of it. This is what I mean by atheist bias.
@@Nazareth07., Suggestion: Get your hands on the "red letter edition" Bible. You'll see that the total words of Jesus is relatively miniscule. And a lot of it is repeated on top of it. So I'm wondering why you make such false claims, considering you don't know the Bible to begin with...
Making the afterlife as a goal makes so much sense compared to purposeless life
Who says that life is purposeless?
@@TheMahayanist I don't see a purpose to life if in the end we all just die and disappear forever
@@idrees9674 your life isn’t purposeless even if a creator deity gave you none. If life and the universe has no meaning and purpose, then the only purpose that matter is what you decide
@@archmaester6594 Yes you can a have a made up purpose to live for, but that doesn't change the fact that life has no original purpose to it.
No matter what you claim to be your purpose of life, in the end, it's all made up
Then you dont understand life in the slightest.
New Atheist update just dropped, endagered species lives are worth more than humans. Genius.
My grandma saw the angels before she died they both communicated. Heaven is real and Jesus is real because I had encountered Him everything Jesus said came true.
Aaron owning morons like he's a Christian.
Used to be a blind Christian, glad I no longer am 🤣🤣🤣
Nobody would know what jesus said since no documentary crew followed him and recorded him...therefore what he "said"is irrelevant
Even if they did, it's not like the vast majority of christians actually do what Jesus says to do, kind of mindblowing but then again it isn't.