Cliffe Classics - Student asks, "Why do we need your religion?"
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- No. 35
Recorded - Fall 1997
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The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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"you do not need my religion, you need Jesus Christ because He is God in human form who loves you, offers you forgiveness and eternal life." all Glory goes to Saviour and Lord of the world.🙌
Amen!!
Preach
Amen
Demonstrate how
@@jasonnoble7302😂
I think what’s most startling about this video to my modern eyes and ears is just how respectful everyone is, even in their argument. No yelling, no cussing, no trying to get this shut down. The students even look well groomed. How far we’ve fallen…
Wdym fallen? Isn't it a good thing that everyone is respectful to one another?
@@raresdobrinean1583he means today the modern times it’s not like that anymore. If people debate or argue about something emotions come through and Pride becomes more relevant than having a rational discourse discussing why they disagree on a certain thing.
You can’t fight a war if you don’t know it’s happening. It’s a spiritual war everyday, and with the decline in religion and the belief of God our guards have went down at such a steep rate. I believe that’s why we’re falling.
It's true. The world is living in sin more than ever now.. Satan knows Jesus is coming soon, so he's ramped up the anti-christ propaganda. These days people just yell, swear and wear pink hair.
@@raresdobrinean1583how do you not get what he meant by his message? What u read it drunk ? It’s very simple to understand plz take the time out to read instead of bashing when u repeating what he saying.
I think I spent the last 6 hours listening to cliff speak and I'm not sorry about it.
These people are unaware that this man is not just informing them, but also loving.
he's duping them
like he duped you lmao
@@WintJames I recommend you actually watch the video before you comment
Informing them of what, what he believes but cannot prove. FFS.
@@derekardito2032 You couldn't even prove we landed on the moon. We believe it but I have no other proof that people said so.
@@derekardito2032 what proof do you want?
I can't get enough of these videos
Father, make me wiser today than I was yesterday.
God gives wisdome to those who ask so keeping asking! God bless you
These student's were very respectful and asked tough and intelligent questions. We believer should be challenged. If we don't have the answer right away, admit you do not have the answer and will get back to them later. I been mocked for not having answers at times. It happens to the best of us at times. God is king!
Nice comment!
I will ask you a question that you have had the whole of time to the present day to answer and not one Christian or theist , believer of any god claimed to exist has ever been able to, demonstratably evidence your believed in god's to exist. Even this pastor Pratt admitted in one of his videos no one can prove or disprove a god exists, that he only believes it exist, then laughably goes on to state he believes because the evidence points to it existing , makes arguments attempting to argue it into existence which he would have no need to do if he had demonstrable evidence it does.
@@derekardito2032 Show me a pound of love or claim that love doesn't exist. I want the evidentiary proof. If I can't see it, I can't believe in it. So produce this pound of love and let me put it in my hands so I will believe it.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven explain what you mean by love, love of food, of materials, of children, of a man for a woman, or indeed a man for a man of animals, it's nothing but a neurological attraction, animal attraction, one can fall in or out of this attraction for a myriad of reasons, we cannot feel touch or see gravity but we know it exists, we know what it does, it's affects, and it's the same as this thing called love, are you attempting to equate such as supposed love, gravity, air, wind or any such with a god existing?, that's fucking laughable. It was not me that said if I cannot see it don't believe it, where are you getting that supposition from?, there are many things I cannot see ,feel, hear, smell, but that evidence proves exist, what evidence do you have your god does, flat out fucking zero, zilch, nil, all you have is BELIEF, I do not need to believe love, gravity etc, I have no need of belief , I accept what the evidence concludes to, belief is the acceptance as true that which is devoid of evidence. If you had proof of your believed god existing you would display it, you would not need to attempt to argue it into existence with such stupid analogies, if you had proof you would not be a believer even. I am an atheist simply by the fact I do not accept your claim, allegation, assertion your god or indeed any others gods actually exist. I'm not even claiming , alleging or asserting gods could not possibly exist, no more that claiming leprechauns, fairies or fucking unicorns can't possibly exist, only that there is no rational reason to due to complete lack of irrefutable, undeniable, indisputable, empirical, demonstrative conclusive evidence that they do, that your god cannot be seen, touched, heard, cannot be smelled , in evidenced is the same description as that which is without evidence, same as that which is termed unreal. Poor try.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven SHOW ME EVIDENCE OF YOUR IMAGINED GOD EXISTING, DO WHAT NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD EVER HAS OR LIKELY EVER WILL. The only place your god resides is in your indoctrinated tiny mind.
I TRUST YOU LORD. Please give me strength to get through this Christmas. I’m holding on and keeping faith. I keep faith even as I constantly struggle to provide for my kids and I constantly struggle to buy groceries. My husband is with you God. At times I feel so alone especially as a single mom. Since suffering a heart attack two years ago and my on going battle with lupus I’m overwhelmed. Both of my sons are autistic. I’m now homeschooling them so my hours to work are limited. Thankfully I have you Lord Jesus. Please continue to give me strength.
Praying for you, as well. Out of the fire, you will become refined. Character never got built through easy times.
Prayed for you, sister. Have a merry Christmas.
God will always be there for you, Sister. Please keep 🙏 to God.
When everything else fails, just think about it as a test from God. He see’s your faith, he see’s your effort. He loves you and will keep strengthening you through this journey. You are a great mother for not giving up and God gave you those two beautiful children because he knew only you would be able to push through this. Ask him to give you wisdom and the guidance for the right choices. All your choices will then be guided by him and there will then be no chance for losing, it’ll all be for learning.
God loves you and will always be there for you. Prayers for you and your family.
🙏🏼✝️❤️ praying for you . Continue to trust in Lord Jesus our Savior. All Thanks and Glory be to Lord Father God . Merry Christmas to you and your boys💙
You are a genius on how you responded to the last guy. Bravo for gathering yourself and not getting on his level. U put him on a straight real quick. God bless you Cliffe.
He is very genius
But the last guy has a good point tho. I want to know the answer....
@@ordinarygames7509 Astrophysicist: Dr. Hugh Ross, Biochemists: Dr. James Tour, Dr. Michael Behe, Dr. Francis Collins, they all came to realize God exists via science! Also, this vid was from 97, science has come a long way since then- as science advances, we have more evidence for God! Please look into those scientists, they have a lot of vids on here, as well as sites, books. God bless!
@ordinarygames7509 which point. He came and gave a speech on his opinion without asking a question.
He didnt even have a question he just spoke his mind. He needed to grow up but by now hes probably in his 30s or 40s🤣@@ordinarygames7509
When I listen to you I can feel my mind working at a higher level than it usually does throughout the day. It feels really good, wise and healthy to "think on these things." Thank you Cliffe. You're surely moving mountains whenever you open your mouth and speak.
He is conning the uneducated, the gullible and the already indoctrinated and making a living off their backs.
Wonderful comment 💚
Can't believe this was a quarter century ago.
Wild how college kids, now, have changed so much over this short amount of time…😅
That's technology for you
Short amount of time? these videos are 30 years old
@@fletcher373 30 years is not a long time for such drastic changes in society
@@legacydentcoexactly thank you
Wait when was tis debate?
Most younger people need this Kind of conversation. They must humble themselves in JESUS.
How do you know the difference between “humbled yourself before Jesus” and the illusion of humbling yourself before Jesus ?
Have Jehovah witnesses humbled themselves before Jesus ?
@@jasonnoble7302
No, because Jehovah's Witnesses do not recognize Jesus Christ as God. That's their problem that they have to wrestle with. It's sad, but not at all uncommon.
@@captainfantastic7843
Your reply just sounds like a dodge. It doesn’t answer my question.
How do you know the difference between "humbled yourself before Jesus" and the illusion of humbling yourself before Jesus?
Have Mormons humbled
themselves before Jesus?
@@jasonnoble7302
I'm sorry that my reply sounded dodgey to you, it was not intended that way. You're posing a very good question, but what I stated is the small amount of factual knowledge I have to offer in regards to your question.
I wish that I could be of more help. Merry Christmas
@@captainfantastic7843
I applaud your honesty sir 👍
Seems to me that you don’t have an answer to my question about your OP position right now and you don’t want to be dishonest and just make something up.
Very good 🤙
Cheers to that.
Merry Christmas to you as well 🧑🎄
Merry Christmas to all my fellow Christians.
Merry Christmas.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf when did you become the expert on who is and is not a "true Christian"?
I'm looking for a date, in case you're confused.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf you're just saying stuff. Jackals Gate is a low resolution high school English teacher.
He seems impressive to you because you are lower resolution.
He's never proven me wrong about anything. Nothing. Zero. Nada.
I've never used the word troll on this platform except to say that I've never used the word troll.
I don't use it because I don't think it's sufficient.
I tend to troll the trash dog because he's a humorless blowhard.
I enjoy winding him up. I like doing it to you too. Draw whatever conclusion you like. I really don't care.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf if you weren't so low resolution, you'd notice the clear humor (correct spelling) in a broken, sinful psychopath referring to himself as a Saint.
Christians shouldn’t be celebrating saturnalia
I pray the kid around 10 minutes finds peace.
Forgiveness is so hard but I want Jesus to forgive my sins, so I decided to forgive the 4 people that sexually assaulted me as a kid, and my mom for not protecting me. I am not saying is ok they did it but I decided to let it go, and let God deal with the pain and trauma they did to me. God does heal our wounds if we let Him. God bless you all.
Imagine hanging out with Cliff , Ray Comfort and Joe Kirby for a day. Would be fun!
It would
I would enjoy watching them squirm while I pointed out all the logical fallacies they use
IQ would decrease by a standard deviation.
@@jessec4443 you just love trolling these channels though. You must be an " expert". L0l.
@@beegs771
Fascinating…
Because You claim I troll these channels I “must be an expert” because ?
@@jasonnoble7302 that comment was for the other person not you. It was for jessec4443.
That was a beauty. Cliffe at his best
Pump these videos out more oftenn I’ve gone through all this channel’s videoss
I'm glad, at least that these young adults are actually thinking somewhat. Way back when, when I was their age, I was just figuring out that we were souls that happen to have a body and that it could not be any other way. Just like way back when I realized that God could not possibly be some old man sitting on a throne in the sky somewhere and He had to be something way, way beyond that little meme.
I'm grateful that I dropped out of university at 20 after hearing professors say things that I knew weren't true. I didn't make a big deal out of it, I simply closed my books quietly, got up without being disruptive to the class, and walked silently back to my car in the parking lot and left for good. Pursue The Truth no matter what the cost.
Well I didn’t drop out and I took classes and passed the test. I didn’t argue with the professor. I am glad I stayed because it caused me to do a lot of critical thinking. I realized what they were teaching was theory, the Big Bang theory, the theory of evolution. I kept reading the word theory, a guess , a hypothesis, a question they really couldn’t answer. So I realized that God as the answer is just as , if not more legitimate an answer as what they were spewing. Of course I decided to exercise my faith in God to seek Him and I found Him. If you don’t have faith in God when you seek Him you won’t find Him. “ But without faith it is impossible to please Him( God), for he who comes to God must believe He is and He is the rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” Hebrews 11:6. All these unbelievers are giving the world is theories that cannot be proven, opinions that are not facts.
I just noticed…. Why cant church be like this?????? Why do we have a Sunday service where we preach a message everyone hears it feels motivated or convicted and then just leaves and is the same? Why can we open our pulpits and have the body of Christ come up and ask questions and think things through so the whole church can grow????
I agree. I suspect the early church was like that.
I agree that we should have questions and ask them to grow our knowledge within one another, but church is a place for believers to also worship God, learn more about him as well as to pray and seek the face of God. Not JUST to debate about the existence of God and moral values that’s why the message and praises and worship is important in my opinion.
I need a church like this!
Thank you Mr. Cliffe. Your videos made me learn so much.
I love the ending statement
This is so awesome. You can see the depth of god in this video. From cliffe spreading the good word to the students testing to see if he is a false prophet.
Did he ever claim to be a prophet tho. Just because he has wisdom from God doesn’t make him a prophet. It makes him filled with the Holy Spirit
I hope my comment will be seen by Cliffe or Stuart or someone managing their videos. I would absolutely love for a new series of videos where Cliffe and Stuart dive deep in different books of the bible, explaining what it means, the relation with other parts of the bible, and how they interpret those parts. Thank you for all these videos, I have been watching many of them over the past few days, and they've helped me tremendously build a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Check out the BibleProject. They have quite a lot of material of this kind.
It won't probably
Cliffe Rocks!
People who are clapping, before you clap please do some research first then clap 👏🏽 because everything that we say don’t matter unless they’re are proof and I love what Cliff is doing so keep it up ❤ 34:03
Without lies and deception atheism dies.
Goes for all false religions, even ones that purport not to be
This statement is a baseless and misguided attack on atheism. Atheism, the lack of belief in deities, doesn't rely on lies or deception; it's based on a lack of evidence for theistic claims. To assert that atheism requires deceit to sustain itself is to misunderstand both atheism and the nature of belief. Disbelief in gods isn't a conspiracy or a lie; it's a conclusion reached by many after considering the available evidence and arguments. Your claim reflects a serious misunderstanding or a deliberate misrepresentation of atheistic positions.
Exactly 💯
Forgiveness is mercy and being willing to show love and not entertain evil
Bless the Lord, the Wisdom he gives this brother. The love, the patience and the grit not to back down or get discouraged or get off track.
Great video, GOD bless you
NOOO WHY DID IT END THERE I WANTED TO HEAR MORE OF WHAT CLIFFE HAD TO SAY LOL
God bless you🙏🏼
Forgiveness certainly has it's place in our lives, it can be very healing to forgive someone, but at the same time, it's entirely up to the person who's been wronged to give their forgiveness, there are times when it might not be warranted. As fallible humans we're all going to make mistakes in life, if I hurt someone, and they don't forgive me, then it's upon me to accept that, and to try to do better next time. We learn by our mistakes. Hopefully it makes us a better person.
Matthew 6:14-15 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses".
For those who don't already know... Bonnie here is Cliffe's #1 troll. He's been doing this for 10+ years and still pretends to be utterly clueless. Engage him at your own discretion.
@@Josiahministries would Jesus forgive Hitler if he truly repented?
@@jessebryant9233 I forgive you jesse
@bonnie43uk yes, but you should stop worrying about hitler being saved or not and worry for your own soul's eternity.
A baby has brain activity and a heartbeat at 4 to 6 weeks, but a baby has a soul from God at the moment of conception.
What is a “soul” exactly?
@@jasonnoble7302 (Here's a different one from you. Thank you!) This child is a complete human, "wonderfully made," in God's eyes, as He can see the future for this child. It could be God may look ahead or choose not to. I think I've mentioned this to you before.
@@jasonnoble7302
What are YOU exactly?
Do abortion babies go to heaven ?
@@jasonnoble7302 Since God is always just, then justice prevails. Please write what would be just in this case.
Key words, "grow up, be adults"
Blessed are they who shall see little children’s gleeful faces on Christmas morn. And as God needs no praises, and as Paul and Apollos needed no praises, neither do Cliffe and Stewart need praises. But we praise them. For if we did not praise them we would wrong ourselves. I praise them with thankfulness because I know their good videos can save my family by leading them to Jesus Christ.
WTFLIP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 🤔😕😑🤣?
@@justingary5322 let’s us know if you get it. 🎄🎄🎄
Yes sir!
this one is the best so far that ive seen i wish i can see it in its entirety
What the atheist told Cliffe was scary : We have value because we give ourselves value. Begs the question so what happens if a society says some people dont have value?
Then we debate it using logic and reason
The idea that value comes from self-attribution isn't scary; it's a recognition of our ability to determine our own worth and morality. The fear that a society might deem some people valueless isn't exclusive to atheism. History is full of such judgments, often under religious justifications. Arguing that morality and value must come from a divine source is a cop-out. It ignores the capacity of human reason, empathy, and social understanding to establish ethical frameworks. Suggesting that secularism leads to moral chaos is not only simplistic but also ignores the complex, reasoned bases of secular moral systems.
Cue Hitler's germany
@@jessec4443 have you ever had kids? Morality isn't a reasonable act for a child infact they'd rather behave however they wish regardless of consequences it's seems obvious then that morality has to transcend us for if it does not then it's subjective and human reason cannot give a justification for sound moral judgements such as forgiveness which is infact unreasonable
@@johnno. Suggesting that morality must be divinely ordained because children act immorally, is fallacious. Firstly, it's an appeal to nature fallacy: just because children naturally act in a certain way doesn't mean that's how things should be. Children's behavior isn't the yardstick for moral philosophy. As humans mature, they develop the ability to reason and empathize, forming the basis of moral judgments.
Secondly, arguing that morality must transcend us to avoid subjectivity is a false dilemma. Morality doesn't have to be either completely subjective or divinely objective. Ethical frameworks can be built on rational, empathetic grounds, rooted in the well-being of individuals and societies. Human reason is more than capable of developing sound moral judgments - look at the principles of justice, human rights, and altruism, which have evolved through human discourse, not divine decree.
You also imply that forgiveness is inherently unreasonable, yet you overlook the social and psychological benefits of forgiveness. It fosters reconciliation, reduces resentment, and promotes social cohesion. These are reasonable, practical outcomes that benefit society.
Your argument ignores the diversity and inconsistency of moral standards across different religions. If divine morality were clear and universal, wouldn't we expect more uniformity in moral beliefs among theists of different faiths?
Your claim that morality must come from a divine source lacks logical foundation and ignores the complexities of human moral and ethical development. It's not enough to say "children behave selfishly, therefore GOD." We need a more nuanced understanding of morality, one that respects human capacity for reason and empathy.
we don't need an expert to tell us if a design has a designer. We just need logic. We don't need an expert to explain to us there is a cook behind a delicious and eye pleasing dish, logic tells us so.
How do you know the difference between a designed world and a not designed world exactly?
@@jasonnoble7302 You asked: _"How do you know the difference between a designed world and a not designed world exactly?"_
@@CelticSpiritsCoven
That doesn’t answer my question.
If you asked me “how do I know God does not exist” and I said
by looking at reality and applying observation skills and then combining that with logic
Is that a good answer to your question?
Of course not and it’s not a good answer to how do you know the difference between a designed world and a not designed world either is it ?
How does looking at reality and applying observation skills and then combining them demonstrate this world is designed when we don’t have a not designed world to compare it too ?
It’s not religion. It’s what happened it’s history, it’s what is. It’s about knowing what world you live in and why and where you’re going. Kind of foundational. Not religious.
This one is good
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil
The Love Of God
🌸🕊🌸🕊🌸🕊🌸
The Love Of God
Is Not Wrapped In A Box
Nor With A Bow
No, First As Our Creator
Then As A Humble Babe
Till Bloody And On A Tree For Thee
Resurrected Gloriously
Gifting The Hope For All
That Faithfully Believe And Follow
The Love Of God
Was Never Under A Tree
But Upon It
.Now In Heaven Till He Comes Soon
Is Our High Priest Before The Father
Advocating Before The Father
For You And Me
I wish a lot of cliffe's videos were longer, i want to see the full video
There nobody on earth that can make you do anything! We all were created with 5 thing call SIGHT, HEARING, SMELL, TASTE,TOUCH! That was one reason GOD GAVE MAN FREE WILL TO MAKE HIS OWN CHOICE! He didn't force us to follow him. But he offered us the opportunity to do so! You make choice in life that either good or bad, then you face the consequences of your actions! That why there laws you have to follow. Just like those who chooses to follow JESUS CHRIST we have laws we are to follow if we want to be accepted into his KINGDOM! It was JESUS who gave us the opportunity to turn away from our SIN!
I came to realise that a lot of people on the planet need religion because they lack the intellectual capacity to deal with life in another way. Thinking for yourself is no easy task and believing is so much easier.
FACTS!!!
you don't forgive because at that moment you CHOOSE NOT TO. if it was in your heart despite the odds against you then you would.
Everybody is respectful. Everybody is attentive.
Everybody is logical.
Where have we gone?
Even the dressing was far more respectable
John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Im sad we couldnt see the answer to the last guy because he brought up very good questions, they focused on the last statement about imposing beliefs
You know when cliffe makes the face, he’s gonna start cooking
I can see why this video popped up, with all that is going on in Israel and Gaza currently.
not much going on in Israel right now, whereas Gaza is Hell on Earth.
@@bonnie43uk Youre going to be very familiar with actual Hell if you dont repent of your sin & trust in Jesus (Mark 1:15/Acts 3:19) before it's too late (Hebrews 9:27), eternity is a long time to be wrong (Revelation 20:15).
@@bonnie43ukGaza is reaping what it sowed
@@robmc120God is Love. God does not send billions to Hell every generation or he would be the devil
@@lightworker4512 The triune God is holy, holy, holy (Isaiah 6:3/Revelation 4:8) & perfectly just, more than His love mentioned once, in Hebrew that's emphasis. Repent of your sin & trust in the Jesus of the Bible (Mark 1:15/Acts 3:19) before it's too late (Hebrews 9:27).
Jesus Christ is King 👑
Stop clowning 🤡
@@jasonnoble7302 bro why are you even here just leave me alone I said that’s the last time and you said “ yabba dabba doo” and now you’re here being disrespectful and rude. Who cares why do you care that I believe in God yes, according to the Bible, Jesus is king. It doesn’t matter if you believe it or not what do you want from me? Seriously, what do you want from me? You sit here and watch clips debates and get not understand none of them? Be respectful otherwise you’re the one acting like a clown
I have none done anything to harm you. What do you want from me? What do you want from me? What do you want from me? Jesus loves you.
@@bacontheclown2502
I’m here because I was invited here by Stewart. You know, Cliff’s son. Have you watched the video where he said he believes atheists like me are doing work for God?
See, this is a public forum and in a public forum you do not get special rights to go unchallenged by those who think you’re completely wrong.
So, I’m here because I was invited here by the owner of this channel and I’m here to challenge your beliefs and clearly that’s fun for me.
I’m just a fun times seeking guy 🤙
@@jasonnoble7302 what you got?
@@bacontheclown2502
I have lots my guy 🤙
Here’s an argument for you
P1) It's not good to permit not good things to occur right now
P2) The Christian God could stop not good things from occurring right now.
P3) The Christian God permits not good things to occur right now
Which premise do you disagree with and why ?
Is Simon Weissenthal the author of The Sunflower book? Or is it about Simon Weissenthal? Or both? Thank you.
Let make this perfectly clear because I had this same problem in a different way people be thinking that we’re needing and, I’m I’m saying is that if you want to like me that’s up to you and if you don’t like me that you’re CHOOSING OUT OF FREE WILL and I choose to follow after Jesus Christ because I wanted to not because this other person said so it’s because I wanted to and I chose to subscribe to this man’s channel it’s because I wanted to he didn’t make us subscribe or follow or anything there of but people like you are guessing without facts!
Are there any good courses I can do to learn more about Jesus? ❤
Go to Sam Shamoun’s channel (SHAMOUNIAN). He has great videos on Jesus and has Q&A sessions every now and then.
try the alpha course
@@reubenlyimo
Have you taken the alpha course?
Does it give you an answer to my argument?
P1) It’s not good to permit not good things to occur right now
P2) The Christian God could stop not good things from occurring right now.
P3) The Christian God permits not good things to occur right now
C) The Christian God doesn’t exist as defined by Christianity
Got an answer?
@jasonnoble7302 he gave humans free will, we chose to rebel, and we suffer the consequences. It's up to us now to try and make the world a better place.
I have not taken the alpha course but I hear its good
@@jasonnoble7302It is not good to permit not good things from happening? Decides who?
Not good things are sometimes even necessary to strengthen a person.
28:59 but the point isn’t about neurotransmitters releasing a chemical we can try to determine as love, it’s the initial helping of the dying that can’t be quantified. What made her do it in the first place?
Leviticus 25:44-46
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Exodus 21:20-21
1 Samuel 15:3
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
1 Timothy 2:12
1 Corinthians 11:5-6
If you would just open your book...
What is so hard to understand that knowing that someone is going to do something does not mean He caused them to do it
From the question is a great question because so many religions and faiths out there. Just as during Moses time and Jesus time. The gods of Pharoah and Egyptians and gods of the Roman's and Greeks. Gods the Japanese, Chinese, Thailand, India, etc.
pls I would like some advice on theological books from cliff
Mark 7:18-23 & 10:17-27,
Forgiveness also plays a role in human survival
No it doesn’t actually. People can choose revenge to survive as well: and human survival means going to heaven, most importantly. We are eternal, and Jesus offers eternal life.
The last guy was super arrogant, wish I could see Cliffs response to him there.
Man. I was wanting to hear the very last response
Yeah. That last kid made some decent points and I really wanted to hear how Cliffe responded.
What episode is this?
30:00 Excellent question.
Being a Christian isnt a religion. Its just being honest.
Someone really needs to take all the intro music themes of give me an answer and make a full length remix song that's 3-5 minutes long
agreed
People were calmer back then but it's still a little nuts to see that theoretically educated people make cop-out arguments such as "you're imposing your view on others" just because they disagree. It's like going to campus today except without the death threats.
Bro didn’t respond to the evolved free will claim. Can we get uncut clips of these conversations? 30:01
I think there is. There were links to these uncut clips. I'm sure Cliffe could have answered it.
Part 2 this end to quick
NATURAL WILD ANIMALS IS THE FIGHTING OF THE FITTEST ME ME ME
Wrong
It’s us us us
1:32
Guy in black jacket is talking about endorphines
I would love to hear the rest of Cliff responds to the last gentleman 😊
Simon's name is pronounced Weesenthal. My sister married his cousin's son.
Foreknowledge is not predestination. If it is, then the fact that I know everyone reading this will one day die makes me guilty of murdering them -- and them of me.
Or in a less dramatic example, you are driving in the rain and as you go, the clouds clear and the sun comes out. You see cars coming the other way and you know they are about to drive into rain. Likewise, a few miles back in the rain, drivers coming the other way knew I was going to drive into clear weather. But in spite of all this clear foreknowledge on the part of drivers going both ways, only a fool would claim that any of the drivers caused it to rain or shine on anyone or even that any of them forced any of the other drivers to drive one direction or the other.
God does not merely "see" the future, he is already there in it, watching us. And as CS Lewis said, "to watch a man do something is not to make him do it."
This is because there is no past or future to God; all time is present before him. This is why Jesus says in John 8:58, "Before Abraham was, I am." Note that he says "am", not "was". Not only is he claiming to be God by using this play on words that are God's name in Hebrew (I am), he is claiming to be present with Abraham in the "past".
Long before that at the burning bush, God tells Moses "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." Once again am, not was. He is claiming to be the God of the living, not the dead. They are alive with God not only in what is to Moses "the past" but with God eternally in Heaven. This is at least partially verified at the Transfiguration in Matthew 17 and Mark 9, where Peter, James and John see Moses (and Elijah) talking to Jesus.
What's interesting is that many, if not most, of the same skeptics who will come along and try to poo-poo what I have said here as nonsensical about there being multiple dimensions of time would jump at the chance to use multiple dimensions of time if it could be used to argue against God.
Which, ironically, they have already done by claiming that foreknowledge is predestination!
Yes, I saw that coming so I guess I made them do it...
Everyone needs Jesus!
It was at this moment, when I fully understand that if I truly believe in God and Jesus died for our sins, I ask for forgiveness that I’m truly and fully forgiving! I’ve been thinking this whole time that the reason why I am going through trials and tribulations is because majority of it is catching up to me from the past sins I’ve committed.
Thank you Lord! 1:29
10:30
my grandparents didn't enslave anyone...
Come on, wheres the rest of the last part... You done us dirty
Us humans😮😮if we’re in a rocket 🚀 on our way to the sun we’re convinced ourselves we’re heading to the moon . How can we be so smart and stupid at the same time. Just be honest like I have no be honest with myself weather we like it or not all around us is slapping us with there’s a creator and after this life we gonna meet HIM
You’re a developing Human, Plane Facts When you go from 9yrs to 13yrs You’re still developing Human same Rules apply, Life Starts At Conception
They need CHRIST not religion and the knowledge that CHRIST speaks through SOUNDS...
I have really been enjoying these videos and his lines of argumentation, though I think a big error is made at 0:43 where he talks about generational hate being of "rational" thought. I think this is done mostly so he can contrast radical forgiveness as "irrational" a moment later. While I think this is a cute framing of forgiveness, it seems dangerous at the same time. Rational thought is a good thing that helps us interpret things and understand each other. Generational hate is not rational. It's reactionary and emotional. God's radical forgiveness IS mind blowing, but I believe it is also ultimately rational within the fullness of the system God designed. It seems more likely that we cannot understand or articulate how His forgiveness is rational, because it goes against so many worldly expectations. But rationality is a good thing, I believe. It is not the only good thing nor the only necessary thing for understanding the truth. I understand his biological argument for forgiveness being irrational, but I think that's only because it's a broken world. Within the fullness of God's kingdom, I believe forgiveness will not only be rational but natural (should such a thing even be necessary).
Why is the size of noah's ark 300cubits when that would be impossible to store 2 of every non-aquatic animal?
It’s not “his religion” it’s Christ
lol and other ppl are rude to have the right to say you can’t tell me about Jesus. It goes both ways ser. Everyone has a belief in themselves or someone else.
I don’t deserve what you think he absorbed in his body, punishment for adults for not behaving themselves as if they are children.
We need the religions if it's means of it are gathering of all believers of our LORD JESUS CHRIST 🙏❤️ like a shepherd that took care of the sheeps we will represent the sheep while the shepered is the LORD JESUS CHRIST 🙏✝️ this is the true religion we are obeying GOD'S voice in John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
This is the religions is all about hearing the voice of GOD and follow HIM! Now if the religions are not gathered in the name of JESUS ✝️🙏 then we don't need the religions!
That guy's atheist/agnostic speech about science, evidence and reasoning from 30:06-34:09 was intelligent but wrong and long ASFLIP 😂
I'm not on the last guy's side but I want to know why.
with regards to free will, would you say that all human beings have free will?, we're all bound by societies rules. If you happened to be a black person living on a white mans slave plantation in the deep south 300 years ago it's pretty certain that your free will would have been severely curtailed.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf it's interesting to me that justin is always asking for atheists to debate him on his instagram account, but will not engage with anyone on this channel, yet he's quick to mock and scoff me whenever I make a valid comment. Still trying to work out what "ASFLIP" means???
@@bonnie43uk I did no such thing
@@bonnie43uk I never mocked you in fact I defend you many times
Can i talk to you in dm?
Cliffe drank all the Kool-Aid. Sometimes it seems like he is just making shit up. Assertions and fallacies. Strawman cliffe.
He actually did not drink all the koolaid. He has out his faith is Jesus Christ so has eternal life, so he has done the complete opposite of that hyperbolic statement.
The man at 28:06 look like maybe he got something going on….. I’m just saying🤷🏿♂️
when someone contemplate the paint of a great Artist they will not know how all the Paint was made and what is the message they will go sometimes to the Artist and speak with them about the Paint.
God is the artist and the World is his Paint
When you see some animals flowers you can't just say it came by luck
look at the beauty of a Mandarin duck. It's like someone painted a duck !
look at the vivid colors of a Scarlet Macaw
look at the dance of the swans how they do an earth with their neck
everything point that God made the universe
When you see a book you know it was made by someone. The ink didn't just write it self out of the pen on the Paper
It's common nonsense we all agree on that. If someone saw a pen writing something on a paper in real life show me then
If i say that i saw a garage explode and then a beautiful car was created in the front of my eyes will you believe me ?
You are gonna laugh so why should i believe that by an explosion our Universe was made
Oh , these videos are from the 1990's.
Cliffe is spot on with abortion.
According to the bible, there is no freewill. God is the Potter, we are the clay. "Can the clay talk back to the maker and say why'd you make me like this?" God decided to put the tree in the garden knowing the tree would be the source of man's fall.
But we still have free will. I don’t think God’s knowledge of the outcome means that we don’t have free will.
Of course, there is free will. Where in the Bible does it say we don't have any free will?
Do you think that you chose to post what you did? 🙃
@@jessebryant9233 Yes. Everyone has free will. It is often miscontrued, especially by people who are not believers. Then they have someone else to blame for their behaviour.
@@billyholly
BUT!! ... Are they really blaming them? ... Hmm... 🤯🤫🤣