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Spent 6 months traveling full time in a top of the line 2018 18 foot travel trailer. Now we own a 25 year old 1998 18 foot Class B van. I’d take the van any day of the week. Why? The ability to park it and drive it anywhere is truly a game changer. On travel days with our travel trailer we were so limited to where we could stop. With the van if you see a tiny pull off for a trail head, no problem - towing travel trailer- or even a Class C or a Class A? - forget about it. With the van you can drive into any little town or narrow city streets without issues. Want to stop for lunch or a drink or maybe hat ice cream stand? - no problem, you can park it anywhere. If you’re in a bigger rig, it’s often not possible. With our travel trailer we were constantly playing Boomerang - park the travel trailer at a campground, drive 45 minutes to a trail head, then you spot a better campsite!! - but you can’t stay there because you need to go back to your travel trailer. With the van you can just keep moving forward, no need to constantly go back. Also, so many times we would accidentally leave the sunscreen, bug spray, lunch, camera, etc in our travel trailer when we took the truck to a trail head or into town, etc. With the van, you always have everything. Spy a cool spot on the edge of a cliff overlooking the ocean and want to have dinner there? - no problem, you have everything with you. A travel trailer, class C and especially a class A offers more space, but at the huge cost of massively limiting where you can park it. If you like to stay in one place for a long time then a travel trailer or a Class C/Class A (especially with a toad) has it’s advantages, but if you want to travel it’s tough to beat a van. And, FYI - you don’t need to spend 100K on a class B van. The newer models are beautiful, no doubt, but there are plenty of older and well cared for class B vans out there. Yes, you will likely have to put some money and sweat equity into them, but we’ve already put thousands of miles and had so many adventures in the two years that we’ve owned our 25 year old van. We love it. Just my 2 cents.
That is the good thing about my having served for 2 years in an Army infantry battalion....everything after sleeping on the ground on a 1 inch bed roll and not taking a shower for up to one month and eating cold MRE s etc....this van is like living in a 5000 k a night 5 star hotel in Italy....
its all how u look at it, but im a trucker and live on the road , all i have is a standard truck bed but i put a mattress pad on it and it is pretty comfortable and i can sleep good all night unless i get woke up { which happens alot} i have a 4day cooler which means with enough ice u can keep stuff cold almost 4 days , i finally got a 700 watt microwave a few months ago and thats kinda nice but i drove years without 1 but u really dont need much unless u want to go off into the middle of nowwhere for days at a time, you just park in the right spots and everything is in there, like a truckstop
I love my 2001 Coachmen class C 220 RK. I have owned since new and been on many trips with Grandkids and as a couple. It is 24 ft and don't tow a car but it can be parked fairly easy to eat out or run for groceries. I always park at rest stops with the car section not with the big rigs. It has the 5.4 V8 and gets between 10 and 13 MPG. For me a small class C is a good compromise for comfort and size especially since I am 71 yrs old. It has been stored in my detached garage since new and still looks new. Recently an elderly gentleman with a huge fith wheel offered to trade but of course i declined. I enjoy the nimbleness and simplicity of my RV and plan to keep it until I can't do it anymore. I enjoyed your video and am glad you enjoy your rig!
I’d suggest removing the space wasting 2 seats & replacing that area with a permanent 32” high 3’x3’ cabinet. Preferably one with a solid tiltback mica or butcherblock countertop & a slide out top access Dometic fridge/freezer & more water storage behind the fridge … If ur taking a dump, privacy should Never be an issue bcuz the other person should/will be hiding outside from overwhelming smell? … Is your Van 2 wheel drive or all wheel? … You can hang netting from the interior doors & ceiling sides for added storage. … Bottled drinking water is paramount in helping you ration your 27 gallons for flushing & cleaning purposes. Vaya Con Dios 🙏☮️
It cost about $30,000 for a shower and toilet. And most are not comfortable. Best ive seen is a toilet recessed in a shower with its own seperate door. You use the shower area when in use. So plenty of room, and it stays dry when showering. Fantastic design. I almost panic bought a $118,000 RV/ slide out. So glad i kept my $20,000 Toyota hiace. I custom built it with a solid wall extension out the back for a bed. So a seperate kitchen, lounge, bedroom. Loads of storage. 21 drawers. 7 cuboards. All cedar, cypress pine and maple construction. So looks brand new after a sanding. Park anywhere. Low maintenance. Reliable. Basic electronics for self repares. Fuel = about 30klm 4 litres at 265,000 klm on motor. Been living full time in it for 16 years now. Size doesnt matter. Its how you use it 😂 Hope you guys stay safe and well........and slim 😃
What you need is a pop up tent to leave your outdoor stuff in, to hold your campsite when you drive off for errands. It doesn’t have to be an actual usable tent; it just has to sit there to show that the space is occupied.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 That sucks. I suppose there’s only so much you can do. I think the tent should at least protect one from non-assholes who just genuinely think it’s an available site.
We went from a 26' TT that we had for 8 years, to now owning a 2018 ProMaster. We LOVE the van. Also, our van is a 159 (19ft) with a HUGE bathroom in the back that is very comfortable and roomy. Ours does not have the two 'spare' seats but we prefer that and it give us a lot more storage. Thank you for your video's. Helped us decide!
Besides storage, I saw something I will never forget. I don't own an RV but will never get a class A. A guy driving one of those pulled into the local Quiktrip and put the pump in. I pulled up behind him about a minute later. I put the pump in my wimpy 13.5-gallon tank 😂. While I was pumping, I also washed and wiped the windows, threw out any trash in my trunk, went inside the store and bought some cinnamon rolls and a cup of coffee, got held up by a line at the register, threw everything in the passenger side, put the nozzle back, got my receipt, wrote down my mileage, total cost and how many gallons, hit the clutch, cranked up and left. The guy at the RV was STILL pumping gas. Meter read almost NINETY gallons and was still ticking!!!
Here’s my take as a 5 year full timer: 1) A class C is so much better due to 1) extra room 2) enclosed shower 3) separate toilet area 4) huge water tank 5) lots of storage 6) separate living room, basically everything. I started with a van and 1 year later transitioned to a Class C slide. The drive is nearly the same, it uses more gas and takes 2 parking spaces but the things listed vastly outweigh the others. Also, the on demand hot water is a must. Nothing beats a hot shower after hiking, biking or fishing,,,nothing. Then sitting on a full size couch and watching You Tube. Lol
One man's trash is another man's treasure. I've had all of them A, B, C, TT.. Sticking with our B.. Nothing beats go anywhere, park in one parking space. Yes, I know, pick your poison, I like park anywhere in ONE space.
We have a Ford F250 crew cab. Just bought a palomino hs 8801. We're preparing for retirement spring of 2024. We wanted to be able to detach, tow a boat and have some storage. The footprint is the truck so parking works well. So many choices. Gas engine on the truck, 10.9 miles per gallon. Happy camping.
We designed our own interior and custom Coach in Florida build it. We designed it for boondocking with a big battery bank, no propane and a porta potty for versatility. Spending our second winter in southern Mexico and summers touring the US. Biggest advantage is driving our 21foot Promaster (not 22feet) anywhere we want.
I have a small driving camper and I plan my trips to only stay a night or two at one place usually. If I am in a campground, spots are assigned , and in addition I usually mention to the front desk that we will be unhooking to go sightsee and return. Plan your grocery stops before you hook up. On some occasions I checked out of a campground, went sightseeing, and then checked into a different campground in the same area.
As a european, i wince at the idea of 5 mpg!! I run a european version of the same van you have (Ducato), and it gets 30mpg (diesel). They generally make more sense over here, especially in the Uk with its tiny roads and small parking spaces, and where 'van life' is less of an easy thing due to space and wild camping restrictions. You just have to pack and live 'mindfully' in them as there is less interior space. They do however warm up more quickly and use less heating fuel in winter as an added bonus! (Not to mention cheaper insurance, tax, servicing, toll roads etc)
Did you look at the Winnebago Travato? The k model has a huge bathroom and the G model is more than big enough to sit on the toilet and close the door comfortably. The G has a Murphy bed that you can leave made and put up so that you have an amazing amount of space and flow through the van. Plus all the easy access storage underneath. The Winnebago is also come with a convection oven/microwave. You have the option of lithium ion batteries or an extremely quiet generator that runs off the gas tank. The cassette toilet is an advantage if you're a full-timer and going stealth camping. If you're staying at campgrounds or don't mind looking for an actual dump having a black tank is far more convenient.
It all depends on what your needs are, and what you can afford. My budget let us buy a '09 chevy 3500 shuttle bus for $6500. 4 years later, adding a bit at a time, we have 800w solar panels, 3 battle born 100ah, 2500w Aims inverter/charger, and finally (on the third try) an 12k btu Pioneer ac/heat mini split that will cool the bus at 95 degrees outside in full sun (running on solar). All together, including 3 engine repairs, have invested less than 17K $. Traveled 27K miles. Average 12 mpg on diesel. Fully loaded with fuel and water and stuff we weigh 6 tons. I did all the work myself except for final connections on the mini split. On our last trip to FL , talked to a guy in a 2022 Mercedes 4wd van, with ALL the bells and whistles, who hired others to do all the work. I couldn't help myself, asked what he had invested (even though I felt rude asking). He thought a minute, then said somewhere between 225k and 250k $. So, what do you need, what can you afford.
Consider. For More convenient toilet time Many learned this from Covid when paper disappeared , get a new 2 gallon pump up garden sprayer. then with a spring copper bender, (Shape,) the 2 ft metal pipe that has the nozzle to your liking, A hand towel to dry. Only water maybe 2 drops of lotion. It work’s. #1 Saves in Room and #2 cost of paper or #3 wipes . Takes one time to adjust nozzle to Your Liking’s.
I went a different route. Rather than spend $100K on a Class B RV, I bought a full size, high roof, Transit 350 ecoboost . 15 passenger XLT, paid about $35,000 back in 2020 with 2000 miles on it. Spent another $2000 bucks on a mini fridge, battery pack, portable toilet and Queen bed and camping supplies to keep in the van to go camping and road trip.. BUT.... have another $63,000 bucks to use on 5 star hotels when we road trip or rent other big RVs if we really need one for a couple of weeks. 5 years from now, there will be so many used Class Bs for super cheap.
That’s what I’m counting on too. Husband will retire next year at 55, so we want to travel once that last kid finishes his senior year in HS. With the kids in college or working we can go visit them and explore. If he wants to go back to work part time at 60, then he can but I want to do things until I’m not able to.
I agree and like your plan better. I have a friend who spent $150,000 for a Mercedes Splinter. He is 80 years old and will probably need a driver soon.
When you buy just the chassis it will need to be insulated have Windows put in power source and none of the campgrounds in Florida or New York will allow you to get electric hook-up if you don't have a name brand that made the rig
If I were to buy one of these class b RV's I think the way to go is that Leisure Murphy Bed Lounge. I just happened upon a video of that one and ended up down a rabbit hole of watching RV videos. That Murphy Bed Lounge has tons of room and all kind of cool features. Just my thoughts if I were to buy a class B RV.
Best setup is a pickup truck towing a 5th wheel. You could buy both used for $100k. I did it. Setup the 5th wheel drive your pick to get supplies. Water capacity should last a week in a 5th wheel. And you can use the restroom very comfortably- I suggest a bidet too. Camping without recliners is against my religion.-lol
You may want to check your specs for the lithium batteries. 800ah is a $20K+ upgrade, no way your van is only $100K if its really equipped with it. It should be at least $120K and above depending on when you purchased. Also comes with the Mastervolt control panel and can run AC for 8-10 hours straight. Yours is the Balmar panel so double check, you may only have 200ah version. I know because I've been in FB groups with owners thinking they got the 800 ah (2 x 400ah) version for a big discount when in fact they have 200ah (2 x 100ah) and no remote start. Thor and dealers make this very vague (spec sheet shows dual lithium battery but no battery size). A few ways to know is looking at the control panel (Mastervolt vs Balmar), 800ah has auto start feature (engine starts automatically when battery goes below 30%) and 2 yellow disconnect switches under the van (under sliding door area). 200ah lithium is still pretty good compared to the AGM batteries, just hope you didn't pay premium for lithium thinking you got 800ah but really it's only 200ah. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a con for you in the video. Check this video out from Thor ua-cam.com/video/oKXLV-CkFrA/v-deo.htmlm01s and you can compare the difference from your unit.
Battleborn batteries are some of the more expensive lithium battery’s and they’re $1000 for 100ah so $8000 for 800ah I bought cells and have 200ah for $750
@@Justmekpc…exactly. 800 Ah would cost less than $4k using cells like you did or even buying 4-200Ah batteries. There are many high quality batteries out there nowadays!
We have a 2500 ProMaster DIY, yes we have a compost toilet, an outdoor shower, a sink with running water, and swivel seat. We have a 260W solar, 200AH battery. We have considered upgrading our batteries . We did a 3-month cross country tour.. only 8 one-night campsites, and the rest was stealthing. in the 3 months, we never had to recharge from the alternator, strictly solar and the batteries were fine. we do not use a microwave, everything on the BBQ, including baking biscuits and bread. 82 days, 24,000km 8 campsites, never plugged-in or alternator charge. This year a 60-day tour of Alaska, Yukon and Northern BC.
Love our class B, a PW OnTour 2.2. Always good to help folks with the Pro and Con of the features. Battery upgrade was probably spendy, but gives so much versatility! On our way to Puerto Penasco!
I've owned a 31' class A, 40' class A, and a 35' class A. They got 6, 5, and 10mpg respectively. Gas, diesel, and diesel. That last dropped to 6mpg when towing a small Honda Civic flat. Major pains? All were a pain to service, all were a pain to maneuver just about anywhere other than on interstates. Fueling-up was always at truck stops. Most important: all were extremely expensive to maintain their drive trains. I LIVED in the 31' for 3 years single, and 3 years in the 35' with family of 5, the latter in Ontario, Canada during a winter. Because of their size and pain factors - they didn't get used much once parked. My brother has a 40' 5th wheel. With his wife, they cavorted around a total of about six months. He hasn't driven it anywhere in a decade, and has had to repair its plumbing twice as it sat and rodents ate the Pex water pipes. #1 son has been living in a 5'x10' cargo trailer camper we made - for THREE years. Towed by a Frontier pickup, he's saving for a Class B that we intend to convert, too. Unlike Class As and most trailers - Class Bs will be USED frequently and not sit. "Lot Rot" is the main problem with larger RVs as sitting is horrible for drivetrains ( particularly automatic transmissions ). The layout of your particular van and its bathroom wouldn't work for him. #1 son is 6'6" and, though living alone currently, he intends to "entertain" at some point, and that pitiful bathroom space ain't gonna cut it. We have ideas to mitigate that. Keep up the good work, only suggestion I'd give is to indicate WHERE you are when you're showing the scenery!
Finding the right rig so important,after a two year search I found the perfect Class C RV,28FT,well maintained,sold to me by a good friend of a friend who knew the complete history of the vehicle.I lived in it for three months last year playing drums all over the east coast,what a blast !!! Been upgrading and maintaining it all month getting ready for this summer,love working on it and making it my own .RV life is good.
FTing 8yrs in my 21' TT and love it. Plenty of interior room and storage. Not too big and can get in many different sites. Unhook and then go off-roading in the truck!
My wife and I own a 2021 Tellaro AT (with top bunk sleeper) and traveled cross country from coastal Virginia to Portland OR, driving 8800 miles in 30 days last summer. The best mileage consistently achieved is 14.5 mpg, highway miles. Not nearly what you claim you get (18 mpg). Like you, the Tellaro is very convenient yet cramped in the "bathroom". Let's call it "the mini potty" and "port-a-shower". However, the van shines when having to park ANYWHERE with which only 22 feet to contend. My biggest complaint is the blatant lack of build quality by THOR. Molding, drawers, skylight, electrical tower, and even the awning...just simply junk. Have returned to Camping World on at least six occasions to plead for warranty repairs. For 100K, this van's amenities are lacking and almost disappointing. The RAM 3500 rides well, but we found it dismal with the transmission struggling to transverse I-70 West through Colorado and other 5% inclines along the way. The 20FT van concept is solid and makes perfect sense for couples seeking to tour North America. THOR simply needs to up its quality standard when tricking out these van shells. Thank you for sharing your experience with the world. Happy Vanning!
Agree! Quality needs to get better. It’s not great at all. We’ve had so many issues with ours. Sounds like you had an amazing trip! We would love to do something similar. Thanks for sharing!
I have 2 Promasters that I load up and pull a small trailer. Drive the thing in 5th gear. Run it down the road and get a consistent 16.2 mpg. 150,000 miles of doing this.
If you are tall, like me, the Thor 2LB, (two Long Beds), have long beds. Also a convection/microwave oven. The bathroom is also larger. It does not have two unwanted seats.
The truth is, you will never be fully satisfied with a mass-produced class b van. The major OEMs will always cut corners and compromise features/quality to maximize their profit margins, they are known for this, with very few exceptions. I've looked at them all and not a single options was satisfactory to me, at any price point. So I'm planning to purchase a custom built class b that I will design and probably have built by Humble Road in New Jersey. Of course, a custom designed van built by a master upfitter will be very costly, but as a one-time purchase that I will have to live with for 20+ years, it's worth it to me. Even at a higher price point, if you are totally satisfied with the custom build and you don't lose a ton of money selling it down the road, isn't it worth the extra up front cost? I think so.
I need a shower every night. Cant imagine not showering before going to bed and that emptying cassette toilet its another story😂. Thank you for sharing pros especially the cons.
We just upgraded from a 17" tear drop (Mini Max) to the Sequence 20l and love it so far! Yes It's crazy expensive but we had to find one that would fit into our garage since our HOA would not let us keep it in our driveway. The towing life just wasn't for us even with a 17" foot trailer. For us the biggest pro is we don't have to tow. We installed a 10 foot door and the Sequence just barley fits into our garage lengthwise but the height is fine. We are Small Camper big Fun on UA-cam if you ever want to connect. Cheers.
@@Vancaskeys thanks for the follow! Can't wait to see more of your adventures. Due to "life" it may be a bit before we can get out and camp on a regular basis but we will post when we can.
I did spend 112000 for my new 2022 Winnebago Solis PX. I love it. Bath looks slightly wider and the cassette toilet swivels sideways so more legroom. Lots of storage in cabinets and under bed. I leave Murphy bed down most of time but like option of putting it up i Solis as I wanted simple systems no lithium or computer run. Love my gas tank run generator for air when off grid I know it’s a lot more money but Travato G has bigger bath. Mine fits my wandering life. I leave chairs by campsite but I haven’t boondock Ed yet.
When big things are built and designed small, they are always expensive. This would appeal to me for traveling, but not long term living/traveling. My wife and I would definitely get a hotel room or Air B and B from time to time. Most of the fishing places we go have restrooms and showers. Good video...well explained.
Idea here: you could get an electric bike and attach a small trailer to pull behind for your groceries, problem solved. Well, maybe not the best solution if you have to store both a bike & a trailer somewhere on/in your van. 😳 ps - maybe consider purchasing a trailer to pull behind your van to carry along stuff like bikes and other (extra camping essentials)? Just a thought. 🙂
Picked up our Class B in December 2022. Ford Transit HR extended. Bathroom is bigger 39" and am so happy as smaller would work yet it's just right. Enjoy your travels!
Well done video guys. Thanks for that. But... I would like to offer a different data point on Class A and C mpg. Our Tiffin Class A gasser got 7 mpg most of the time, and our current WBGO Class C diesel averages 18 mpg. I've never heard of a Class A getting only 5 mpg. Just saying.
I’m about 35k all in on my rig. I don’t travel as much, I just like minimal life. I built my own tiny home trailer I live in full time and my tow rig is a hummer. The tiny home comes off the trailer quite easy so you can use it like a flat bed when needed. The hummer is outfitted in the back to carry all my tools for work. I use it like a mobile cabin for when I’m working off the lake. I’m just finishing up all the smaller details this year like mounting an enduro bike, the solar system and a custom roof box for the hummer.
@@Vancaskeys Not to mention, 22 feet also exceeds the length of spaces in parking lots. And if they have those damn concrete bars at one end, that means you'll either stick 2-3 feet out in traffic....or need to patent the world's first rear-end slide out.(G) Horns of a dilemna, huh?
My daughter loves her Thor 2023 Tallaro 20J. Storage is a problem. She try's not to use the cassette and has become adept at solving that problem. I once had a little 25ft Albin cruiser and my 5'10" frame had my knees halfway across the cabin. But I was pretty much solo on my long cruse. I wanted to put a cargo rack on the back tow hitch with a big storage bin, but she did not want anything hanging out the back. I fixed the cheap plastic lock on the grey water hose compartment with a metal one from ACE hardware. I made a larger table to go over the swing table for her to work from. Since last July 28th to now she has put about 6,800 miles on it. The bike rack in the back is a back breaker and only good for clanging you in the head when you open the rear doors. I like your arrangement better. Now instead of paying $1,600 a month for an apartment, she can travel and seems to have friends in almost every state she can visit and park with and Harvest Host in between. As a former sailor and adventurer, I admire her Land Yacht she call her "Vashion".
@@Vancaskeys If she had just waited for another month she could have got the new Airstream at almost the same price, the General RV dealer had been tempting her for a few months and gave her a good price on her ProMaster City and her 2014 Trillium Outback. Always loved the Airstream's
Thank you for all your videos, very helpful. I have not had mine long enough to have any problems yet. Some of the issues you had, Thor as fixed on my new 2024 model. Summers are long and hot where I am also, so I got a white van, it stays cooler on those hot days. My van is the rear bath model with two beds (20L- 59k -2LB), I am tall and like the open floor plan. The new Ram as the 9-speed trans, and nice gas mileage for such a heavy load. Ram has a nice turning radius for a 21' van. I added a Wolfbox G900 Rear View Mirror Camera, a must. Also put on KO2 Tires and 1 ½ inch Owl Lift. .
I think the problem is that y’all need to spend MORE than $100K to really get all the PROs y’all would like and could use in a Class B RV, i.e. pop-top, more seat belts, motorized bed, more bed options, larger bathroom, motorized sewage clean out, better storage, larger refrigerator, induction stove, etc for which your Thor appears to be deficient in your bare-bones model. Suggest you research other RV manufacturers, ie Roadtrek, that costs more, but provide more. As experience teaches, you get what you pay for. Plus, like car companies, some RV manufactures are better at making vehicles than others. This is a hard truth you may need to deal with.
I went one step further having a Transit AWD Grit Overland GOA/T built that cost $200k and it's heaven for me! After 25 yrs of overlanding throughout the Southwest in a fully customized VW Vanagon, suffering in winter and summer I can now road trip year round. If you know exactly what you need and want it's totally worth the big bucks.
You mentioned having to have worked on on just about everything in a new class b. This is what has been keeping my wife and I from buying one over the last year. It's an awful lot of money to spend to then find out that it is riddled with quality issues. Do you have a video where you break down all of the issues you've had with your newest class b v van?
We’re looking to buy a dodge Ram empty ! My husband is a builder by trade so I think we can put exactly what we want. We don’t need a shower. Staying at campgrounds and rv parks , they have showers. Probably just a porta potty in case. We are close to retirement so we are. It interested in boon docking. Need a little bit more comfort. But we like the van idea. We used to have a class C, 30 ft.
We are looking at a Tellaro 20L but seems like the RV market/dealerships are not willing to come down on the price at all. So we will wait for the DEEP discounts in the near future only a matter of time and this to will be like the housing market.
Everyone has different needs and wants when it comes to an RV. My wife got sucked into the B craze on social media. Long time camper/rv family. Retired 3 years ago and US travel was at the top of our bucket list. We did a ton of research on B and B plus options. I convinced the wife to narrow it down to 2 or 3 and we would rent each unit for 1 to 2 week trips. We're both glad we took this approach. We rented a 21 Travato for a 2 week New England fall trip and a 20 Leisure Wonder for a Southern Winter trip. We liked the Wonder so much more than Travato. We realized the first week in the Travato that the B option wasn't for us for many reasons. We still rented the Wonder to confirm our findings. 1) Overall comfort was a deal breaker, both driving and spending time inside. Sleeping was OK but we spent a rainy day or 2 in both units and it was miserable. 2) Organization and lack of storage for all but the basics. Wonder was better but still too little for week or more. 3) Wet bath in the Travato was a huge negative 4) Cost and quality. In my opinion the available chassis choices in North America for the Bs are seriously lacking. They are all junk in my opinion, and will cost a fortune to maintain once out of warranty or to continue keeping under a high miles warranty. The components in both leave a lot to be desired. See a lot of maintenance. I spent a few hours at a Winnebago dealers service department in NH. Spoke with several disgruntled Travato owners who were not happy with their units or Winnebago. To sum it up. For us the Bs are ok for a couple for day trips and at best a long weekend when extra gear isn't necessary. We found both units uncomfortable when spending more than 5 total hours driving, even with breaks. Cost, quality, and overall comfort were the biggest deal breakers for us.
Dang, thank you so much for your thorough response. I'm glad I can't afford a Class B Van. I like the idea of renting and seeing how they are. I keep talking about traveling and not working so much. How would I not work so much if I keep having big bills like a huge van payment. I should just learn to camp out of my Subaru Ascent and stay in pet friendly hotels like My Place or Airbnbs. Thank you again.
Love Larry the lemon 🍋 Hey so that label peeled off can be doctored! Get some furniture stain pens, find a stain for your base to match them use the pens to make faux wood lines! 👍
I think having it as a daily driver makes it worth it. I like the ones with twin beds and back bathroom as it offers more room to use bathroom and no cassette toilet. Price wise, out of my budget right now. Maybe a used one in a couple years.
Class B is best for weekeders and no more than a week Boon Docking.... Otherwise its easier to drive and great MPG, Camping is spent OUTDOORS not indoors...Outdoor campers have no issue with minimums inside...
Totally new to any kind of thought of "Van" touring/camping/vacationing. No interest in some specialized mega machine that doubles as a seasonal home, so your video was right in my wheelhouse. Thanks so much. You guys are a delight. And cinnamon rolls are the bomb.
Another great video. Your cinnamon rolls came out better than the ones I did in a real oven for our grandkids recently. I guess the Bob timer is more accurate than the Dan timer. You guys have really been a lot of places and it's great to see that you are still happy with the Tellaro. Happy Trails.
I don't understand why they didn't borrow an idea from Canadian brand Roadtrek. That brand had a foldout leaf on the door. It would bend slightly so the door could be latched inside but it stuck out 2 inches. Some RV owners thought this was a gimmick until they owned one and understood the brilliant ingenuity of the idea. When shut, the door won't hit your knees! I don't know if Roadtrek still makes RVs with that feature but they blew me away with the first ever rear slide out so the bed could fit on a 170" chassis, shaving 20" off the overall length of the vehicle.
I think your van is perfect for your life and situation. I like that you can work there in the extra seating area. You have a primary home and parking it in the driveway seems essential. And for those who can afford it, a Class B is so versatile and meets so many trip requirements. For long-term, primary living place, a Class C seems to me to be the choice.
With Covid's affect on inflation and cost of flights, Australia has seen a huge demand for RV's, towed caravans and camping trailers so the cost has gone up exponentially. I chose a 1yr old poptop caravan as I can tow it with our family SUV and park it secure and out of the weather at home. Has all the comforts we need, can be a problem parking in built up and tourist areas, but we can unhitch it at camp sites and go adventuring.
Love your videos!!! About to make the jump into a class B. The versatility is the key for me.... go just about anywhere. Keep them coming! Learning a lot!!!
Lovely for 2 people who can make it work. I'm eyeing a class C for 3 people and 2 dogs in the near future. Can't Wait to hit the roads. Thanks for Sharing.
Just came across your channel today. Good video. We also have a promaster, it's a 2022. Have you had any problems with the starter battery? Ours needs to go on the charger twice per week. Seems there are lots of factory "things" in the van draining power while it sits. It sits because we are camperizing it. Safe travels to both of you.
Thank you! No, we have not had any problems with the starter battery but now we know to be on the lookout 😬 We have had so many other issues. As of now, they are all fixed but it was quite a headache for some time. Safe travels to you too!
I thought your video was very well done. I had not seen your little oven substitute before. It appears to work well for you and is a great space saver.Thanks for sharing.
Awesome vid. After watching, I think a small class C/B+ with a promaster or transit chassis would be great. Full time bed, larger bathroom, bigger tanks and some outside storage without too much of an increase in footprint or fuel usage.
This is a great video. I’m definitely considering a B van. So many things I like about them like the versatility. I just sold a 22 Entegra Odyssey 26M class C and thought I would love the Murphy bed…..nope, it was way too much of a pain putting it up and taking it down. And the gas mileage was always right at 9 miles to the gallon 😢. Lots of room but to cumbersome. Thanks for super cool oven pro tip.
Just subscribed to your channel. Thanks for sharing the pros and cons! We’re thinking of doing a van life when he retires. Have so much to learn. Cheers
We just invested in a 1986 Chevy camper van at auction. Remodeling it changing out the toilet for a composting toilet. We got a 30ft toyhauler but want to try thus once finished class b out for short trios. Would do vidios on befor after but no clue on how to eddit them 😢
@@Vancaskeys I got a Note 10+ it's an Samsung phone 📲 I know how to use the vidio it's the eddeting. How could I post it with you please? This van will be amazing. Like to stay in touch Angie
That oven pan is amazing. I had a Travato and now camp in a Ford Transit Connect. Super tiny. I never used any of the systems in the Van. Even it was too much for me. Good review of the Pro's and Con's
Exactly! My daughter took my 2012 Ford Transit Connect XLT that was already done up for mild camping or longer road trips and is fitting it better to her needs. My daughter and I are both just 5’2” and really don’t need much. I take my ALiner trailer out more now.
I don't have one yet, but I think a class B is easier to park and get around in. If you're open to video ideas, how about sharing what maintenance is like? I never hear vanlifers talking much about that side of it. For instance, do you have to take your RV to an RV dealership for regular maintenance and repairs or can you take it to a Promaster dealership (or whatever company built your chassis)? What are the costs for regular maintenance like oil changes, new tires, etc.? Have you had any problems with your engine, transmission, etc.? You guys just popped up in my algorithm so I'll look at your library to see if you've already shared some of this info. Thanks for the video!
@allthings nu, Yes, we need to see more of the practical, nitty gritty, not so fun, side of things, vs the whoo whoo let's go, side of things. A view for the algo is a view either way, lol.
Hello from Michigan. Rich and Karen here. Yes, we got a 2023 Thor L sequence van. Already in the shop for electrical repair, well, taking it in tomorrow. I think our bathroom is bigger, the bathroom is in back of the van. Also we have dual couch that could turn to bigger bed or we will probably keep them separated foe ease of use. We also have the ion battery but slightly different than yours, I guess we will figure it out. Love your videos, putting on subscribe list.
I researched for several years as I know your problem when I upgraded from my Little Guy Max after two years of full-time living to discover Tank size and a four seasons RV are essential for my type of travel. My Northwoods 22G travel trailer is perfect for me as I can park it and get around with my tow vehicle. The class B’s are convenient but for full-time living the aspects for two people in an class B becomes apparent for the price. Enjoy your journey! 🎉
This is so helpful. My husband and I are planning to purchase in a few years. Travel with our beautiful beagles, USA and Canada. We are nervous we aren’t going to purchase the correct one, costly mistake. I’m also nervous at the size to drive, that why we’re not considering a fifth wheel.
1. Cassette Toilet = use the toilet at public bathrooms when you can. 2. Bathroom size =Bathroom in the rear layout makes for a much larger bathroom. 3. Large bed = small bathroom (but you kids are way tall) 4. Seating for four = need turn the rear seats to face the side door. 5. No generator = needs plugged in, scares me! 6. Water (fresh and grey) storage is way small in class B = Though dumping and refilling is so simple. 7. Storage Box on rear is a must.
1. Yes! 2. True! Should have thought of this. 3. So true 😅 4. Yes! 5. It’s not been an issue. The solar does a good job charging it. 6. True! 7. Yes! Agree!
I want to buy one used and remove the bathroom shower and probably the micro stove sink area also. I will use my gym, a public restroom or squat. I will do most cooking outdoors like tailgating. I want more space inside to relax or storage. I am not running all those electricals and propane and potentially burn my place down. Fixed bed yes but up higher to take advantage of all that wasted space.
If you don’t think your bathroom is too small, it’s too big A lot of places have over size vehicle restrictions, usually that is max length 20, and height 7, so you violate both those Just because you think it fits any parking space, it may not
Awesome video guys! New sub here. My wife and I have been looking at these vans as an upgrade to our truck tent camper and 100% agree that a fixed bed is key. I love the layout of this current van since u have the swivel chairs and table at the front. I saw your guys other video on all the repairs needed on your previous van, did u guys buy this new van at La Mesa as well? I’m in vegas and the La Mesa dealer has been coming up in my search a ton. Cheers guys!
Thanks! Welcome! Yes, we bought it at La Mesa both times. We had a great experience with buying it. It’s just the warranty stuff that hasn’t went well for us. 😝
@@katewilson4519 we want something that would require less setup and have more home comforts (fixed bed, heat, AC, running water) we would still keep our truck and camper around for more off road camp trips but would use the van for cross country trips visiting cities/towns. We also want something enclosed so we can use harvest hosts. Our truck camper (GFC) is more of a step up from a roof top tent but it’s not an actual camper- if u check out my channel I do a ton of videos of my truck camper setup it’s definitely bare bones
We just sold our Michigan home and bought a 2018 Corado Banff (we also have a mobile home in a 55 and up park here in Florida) we were so excited to take it out for the first time camping. We’ve been driving it around as our vehicle. It has a regular RV toilet but we are thinking about a composting one because the whole black tank thing is gross. Is a composting toilet just as gross? I was watching different rv shows but can’t relate to the people who tow or drive things over 40ft.
Alot of cost of class b comes from being able to be stored easy which makes them desirable. Also your talking about 50k dollar van here being 3500 promaster. Add the build out cost and if it's lithium equipped like travato or this Thor you have just diy of that alone can run you 10-20k. All this fun adds up quick.
I think someone should do a custom vs prebuilt comparison. I have the exact same van that I purchased as an empty cargo van and had converted. I researched and planned the layout for 2 years. This eliminated many of the "truths". I will say I only have 400 amp hours of battery and 400 watts of solar, but it hasn't been an issue so far! 🤞Great video!
I owned many RVs in the past - Class A 45' - 43 - 39 - 32 - 29 Class C - 24 FW, and Class B - 21' and now have my DIY Sprinter van - custom - the cheapest but my favorite - everything works according to plan. IMHO - sell Mr. Lemon (after fixes) and build your own - you are ready
The only pro I can see is that it is small and can go almost anywhere, but it goes back to, for me, just because you can, does not mean you should. As you pointed out you are paying A CRAP TON of MONEY for less everything! $100k will buy you quite a few nice vacations staying at 5 star resorts and even private flights… but I suppose very few people are actually paying for this in cash and merely “affording the monthly payment” and going into a crap ton of debt.
PRO: They allow you to make great videos for people to watch! Thanks for sharing the info and your adventures. Now if you would only share those cinnamon rolls! :)
install crossbar frame on back and carry light motorbike on it, like detachable lifeboat. For local rides, small shopping, parking in the middle of beachfront and so on - perfect solution. I use Honda Grom for this, it weights less then me and fits across even on Toyota Hiace. stovetop oven in old Soviet practice called "печь чудо", "wonder oven", well known solution for baking on usual gas stove. Not perfect as requires very precise temperature control, but at least something. Bed - there are liftable beds from some camper fitters. It goes up on 4 electric screw lifts as is and becomes part of ceiling, revealing some sofa-style seating with folding table on floor and storage beneath (accessible from inside!). Zero work required. Storage - mb try to make these 2 back seats changeable to cabinetry/shelving, depending of what is required, seating or storage. fuel... my (diesel) Crafter gobbles 11L/100km = 24m/gal. 4motion version, MWB ie 6m length, hight roof, constantly loaded (its mobile workshop not a camper). When someone says "7 miles per gallon" = 40L/100km - it really scares.
I recover the AC unit condensation. As it produces 5 gallons a day in the summer..You can gain more leg room with an overhead rail curtain. Which allows you to keep the door open..Roadtrek has this in there Class B's.... And no matter what Class B you drive. Having a fixed bed takes up 1/3rd the space is not an answer.. Unless you sleep 18 hours everyday...
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Spent 6 months traveling full time in a top of the line 2018 18 foot travel trailer. Now we own a 25 year old 1998 18 foot Class B van. I’d take the van any day of the week.
Why? The ability to park it and drive it anywhere is truly a game changer.
On travel days with our travel trailer we were so limited to where we could stop. With the van if you see a tiny pull off for a trail head, no problem - towing travel trailer- or even a Class C or a Class A? - forget about it.
With the van you can drive into any little town or narrow city streets without issues. Want to stop for lunch or a drink or maybe hat ice cream stand? - no problem, you can park it anywhere. If you’re in a bigger rig, it’s often not possible.
With our travel trailer we were constantly playing Boomerang - park the travel trailer at a campground, drive 45 minutes to a trail head, then you spot a better campsite!! - but you can’t stay there because you need to go back to your travel trailer. With the van you can just keep moving forward, no need to constantly go back.
Also, so many times we would accidentally leave the sunscreen, bug spray, lunch, camera, etc in our travel trailer when we took the truck to a trail head or into town, etc. With the van, you always have everything. Spy a cool spot on the edge of a cliff overlooking the ocean and want to have dinner there? - no problem, you have everything with you.
A travel trailer, class C and especially a class A offers more space, but at the huge cost of massively limiting where you can park it.
If you like to stay in one place for a long time then a travel trailer or a Class C/Class A (especially with a toad) has it’s advantages, but if you want to travel it’s tough to beat a van.
And, FYI - you don’t need to spend 100K on a class B van. The newer models are beautiful, no doubt, but there are plenty of older and well cared for class B vans out there. Yes, you will likely have to put some money and sweat equity into them, but we’ve already put thousands of miles and had so many adventures in the two years that we’ve owned our 25 year old van. We love it. Just my 2 cents.
@Penny-mk7fv Seems a little redundant, and comes with its own issues....like parking anywhere you want. Kind of defeats the purpose of owning the van.
@Penny-mk7fv I've never seen that. I wonder why...
@@michaelb3003 Thank you for sharing your real life experiences! Very valuable information to have…
Exactly. I don’t want to tour campgrounds. ⛺️
That is the good thing about my having served for 2 years in an Army infantry battalion....everything after sleeping on the ground on a 1 inch bed roll and not taking a shower for up to one month and eating cold MRE s etc....this van is like living in a 5000 k a night 5 star hotel in Italy....
its all how u look at it, but im a trucker and live on the road , all i have is a standard truck bed but i put a mattress pad on it and it is pretty comfortable and i can sleep good all night unless i get woke up { which happens alot} i have a 4day cooler which means with enough ice u can keep stuff cold almost 4 days , i finally got a 700 watt microwave a few months ago and thats kinda nice but i drove years without 1 but u really dont need much unless u want to go off into the middle of nowwhere for days at a time, you just park in the right spots and everything is in there, like a truckstop
I love my 2001 Coachmen class C 220 RK. I have owned since new and been on many trips with Grandkids and as a couple. It is 24 ft and don't tow a car but it can be parked fairly easy to eat out or run for groceries. I always park at rest stops with the car section not with the big rigs. It has the 5.4 V8 and gets between 10 and 13 MPG. For me a small class C is a good compromise for comfort and size especially since I am 71 yrs old. It has been stored in my detached garage since new and still looks new. Recently an elderly gentleman with a huge fith wheel offered to trade but of course i declined. I enjoy the nimbleness and simplicity of my RV and plan to keep it until I can't do it anymore. I enjoyed your video and am glad you enjoy your rig!
I’d suggest removing the space wasting 2 seats & replacing that area with a permanent 32” high 3’x3’ cabinet. Preferably one with a solid tiltback mica or butcherblock countertop & a slide out top access Dometic fridge/freezer & more water storage behind the fridge … If ur taking a dump, privacy should Never be an issue bcuz the other person should/will be hiding outside from overwhelming smell? … Is your Van 2 wheel drive or all wheel? … You can hang netting from the interior doors & ceiling sides for added storage. … Bottled drinking water is paramount in helping you ration your 27 gallons for flushing & cleaning purposes. Vaya Con Dios 🙏☮️
It cost about $30,000 for a shower and toilet. And most are not comfortable.
Best ive seen is a toilet recessed in a shower with its own seperate door. You use the shower area when in use. So plenty of room, and it stays dry when showering. Fantastic design.
I almost panic bought a $118,000 RV/ slide out.
So glad i kept my $20,000 Toyota hiace. I custom built it with a solid wall extension out the back for a bed. So a seperate kitchen, lounge, bedroom. Loads of storage. 21 drawers. 7 cuboards. All cedar, cypress pine and maple construction. So looks brand new after a sanding.
Park anywhere. Low maintenance. Reliable. Basic electronics for self repares. Fuel = about 30klm 4 litres at 265,000 klm on motor. Been living full time in it for 16 years now.
Size doesnt matter. Its how you use it 😂
Hope you guys stay safe and well........and slim 😃
What you need is a pop up tent to leave your outdoor stuff in, to hold your campsite when you drive off for errands. It doesn’t have to be an actual usable tent; it just has to sit there to show that the space is occupied.
I did that at Yosemite. Someone stole the tent, and took my campsite.
If course, they denied taking my stuff.
That's California.
@@scottslotterbeck3796 That sucks. I suppose there’s only so much you can do. I think the tent should at least protect one from non-assholes who just genuinely think it’s an available site.
Leave an old chair. Never leave anything valuable to save a spot. It will be gone before you get back.
You’re the same kind of person that puts a towel on a chair at resorts and never end up sitting in that spot!
I hate people that do that. I'm one of those people.😂
We went from a 26' TT that we had for 8 years, to now owning a 2018 ProMaster. We LOVE the van. Also, our van is a 159 (19ft) with a HUGE bathroom in the back that is very comfortable and roomy. Ours does not have the two 'spare' seats but we prefer that and it give us a lot more storage. Thank you for your video's. Helped us decide!
Every RV has advantages, and disadvantages. It all depends on how you are going to use it.
Besides storage, I saw something I will never forget. I don't own an RV but will never get a class A. A guy driving one of those pulled into the local Quiktrip and put the pump in. I pulled up behind him about a minute later. I put the pump in my wimpy 13.5-gallon tank 😂. While I was pumping, I also washed and wiped the windows, threw out any trash in my trunk, went inside the store and bought some cinnamon rolls and a cup of coffee, got held up by a line at the register, threw everything in the passenger side, put the nozzle back, got my receipt, wrote down my mileage, total cost and how many gallons, hit the clutch, cranked up and left.
The guy at the RV was STILL pumping gas. Meter read almost NINETY gallons and was still ticking!!!
You are not supposed to leave the car while pumping gas. @@largol33t1
Here’s my take as a 5 year full timer: 1) A class C is so much better due to 1) extra room 2) enclosed shower 3) separate toilet area 4) huge water tank 5) lots of storage 6) separate living room, basically everything. I started with a van and 1 year later transitioned to a Class C slide. The drive is nearly the same, it uses more gas and takes 2 parking spaces but the things listed vastly outweigh the others. Also, the on demand hot water is a must. Nothing beats a hot shower after hiking, biking or fishing,,,nothing. Then sitting on a full size couch and watching You Tube. Lol
Love all this. All Great points! And yes hot water demand is a must.
One man's trash is another man's treasure. I've had all of them A, B, C, TT.. Sticking with our B.. Nothing beats go anywhere, park in one parking space. Yes, I know, pick your poison, I like park anywhere in ONE space.
Shower looks pretty tight, how are u able to shower?
@ Jason: _"I started with a van and one year later transitioned to a Class B slide."_
Did you mean Class C?
@@Milesco yes, you are correct I meant Class C.I corrected it lol.
In our 5th wheel, our motto is “we can seat 6, feed 4, sleep 2”, no other questions have been asked! 😊
This is great!😂
We have a Ford F250 crew cab. Just bought a palomino hs 8801. We're preparing for retirement spring of 2024. We wanted to be able to detach, tow a boat and have some storage. The footprint is the truck so parking works well. So many choices. Gas engine on the truck, 10.9 miles per gallon. Happy camping.
Awesome!!!
We designed our own interior and custom Coach in Florida build it. We designed it for boondocking with a big battery bank, no propane and a porta potty for versatility. Spending our second winter in southern Mexico and summers touring the US. Biggest advantage is driving our 21foot Promaster (not 22feet) anywhere we want.
How awesome!
Make that hundred grand work!
I have a small driving camper and I plan my trips to only stay a night or two at one place usually. If I am in a campground, spots are assigned , and in addition I usually mention to the front desk that we will be unhooking to go sightsee and return. Plan your grocery stops before you hook up. On some occasions I checked out of a campground, went sightseeing, and then checked into a different campground in the same area.
As a european, i wince at the idea of 5 mpg!! I run a european version of the same van you have (Ducato), and it gets 30mpg (diesel). They generally make more sense over here, especially in the Uk with its tiny roads and small parking spaces, and where 'van life' is less of an easy thing due to space and wild camping restrictions. You just have to pack and live 'mindfully' in them as there is less interior space. They do however warm up more quickly and use less heating fuel in winter as an added bonus! (Not to mention cheaper insurance, tax, servicing, toll roads etc)
Us Americans are dumb and will never use diesels in small cars. Only our huge trucks. I would love a small diesel car with a manual!
Did you look at the Winnebago Travato? The k model has a huge bathroom and the G model is more than big enough to sit on the toilet and close the door comfortably. The G has a Murphy bed that you can leave made and put up so that you have an amazing amount of space and flow through the van. Plus all the easy access storage underneath. The Winnebago is also come with a convection oven/microwave. You have the option of lithium ion batteries or an extremely quiet generator that runs off the gas tank. The cassette toilet is an advantage if you're a full-timer and going stealth camping. If you're staying at campgrounds or don't mind looking for an actual dump having a black tank is far more convenient.
It all depends on what your needs are, and what you can afford. My budget let us buy a '09 chevy 3500 shuttle bus for $6500. 4 years later, adding a bit at a time, we have 800w solar panels, 3 battle born 100ah, 2500w Aims inverter/charger, and finally (on the third try) an 12k btu Pioneer ac/heat mini split that will cool the bus at 95 degrees outside in full sun (running on solar). All together, including 3 engine repairs, have invested less than 17K $. Traveled 27K miles. Average 12 mpg on diesel. Fully loaded with fuel and water and stuff we weigh 6 tons. I did all the work myself except for final connections on the mini split. On our last trip to FL , talked to a guy in a 2022 Mercedes 4wd van, with ALL the bells and whistles, who hired others to do all the work. I couldn't help myself, asked what he had invested (even though I felt rude asking). He thought a minute, then said somewhere between 225k and 250k $. So, what do you need, what can you afford.
Consider. For More convenient toilet time Many learned this from Covid when paper disappeared , get a new 2 gallon pump up garden sprayer. then with a spring copper bender, (Shape,) the 2 ft metal pipe that has the nozzle to your liking, A hand towel to dry. Only water maybe 2 drops of lotion. It work’s. #1 Saves in Room and #2 cost of paper or #3 wipes . Takes one time to adjust nozzle to Your Liking’s.
I went a different route. Rather than spend $100K on a Class B RV, I bought a full size, high roof, Transit 350 ecoboost . 15 passenger XLT, paid about $35,000 back in 2020 with 2000 miles on it. Spent another $2000 bucks on a mini fridge, battery pack, portable toilet and Queen bed and camping supplies to keep in the van to go camping and road trip.. BUT.... have another $63,000 bucks to use on 5 star hotels when we road trip or rent other big RVs if we really need one for a couple of weeks. 5 years from now, there will be so many used Class Bs for super cheap.
That’s what I’m counting on too. Husband will retire next year at 55, so we want to travel once that last kid finishes his senior year in HS. With the kids in college or working we can go visit them and explore. If he wants to go back to work part time at 60, then he can but I want to do things until I’m not able to.
I agree and like your plan better. I have a friend who spent $150,000 for a Mercedes Splinter. He is 80 years old and will probably need a driver soon.
When you buy just the chassis it will need to be insulated have Windows put in power source and none of the campgrounds in Florida or New York will allow you to get electric hook-up if you don't have a name brand that made the rig
@Marlene N Good for you Marlene. Go and enjoy your retirement. Retiring early on your terms is a major plus.
@@insightandintuition276 Can't be true when YT vanlifers camp in those areas with minivans and other vehicles.
going out today to shop for a Class B. This was a very encouraging info for me. Thanks so much.
If I were to buy one of these class b RV's I think the way to go is that Leisure Murphy Bed Lounge. I just happened upon a video of that one and ended up down a rabbit hole of watching RV videos. That Murphy Bed Lounge has tons of room and all kind of cool features. Just my thoughts if I were to buy a class B RV.
That would help so much with space!
Best setup is a pickup truck towing a 5th wheel. You could buy both used for $100k. I did it. Setup the 5th wheel drive your pick to get supplies. Water capacity should last a week in a 5th wheel. And you can use the restroom very comfortably- I suggest a bidet too. Camping without recliners is against my religion.-lol
You may want to check your specs for the lithium batteries. 800ah is a $20K+ upgrade, no way your van is only $100K if its really equipped with it. It should be at least $120K and above depending on when you purchased. Also comes with the Mastervolt control panel and can run AC for 8-10 hours straight. Yours is the Balmar panel so double check, you may only have 200ah version. I know because I've been in FB groups with owners thinking they got the 800 ah (2 x 400ah) version for a big discount when in fact they have 200ah (2 x 100ah) and no remote start. Thor and dealers make this very vague (spec sheet shows dual lithium battery but no battery size). A few ways to know is looking at the control panel (Mastervolt vs Balmar), 800ah has auto start feature (engine starts automatically when battery goes below 30%) and 2 yellow disconnect switches under the van (under sliding door area). 200ah lithium is still pretty good compared to the AGM batteries, just hope you didn't pay premium for lithium thinking you got 800ah but really it's only 200ah. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a con for you in the video.
Check this video out from Thor ua-cam.com/video/oKXLV-CkFrA/v-deo.htmlm01s and you can compare the difference from your unit.
Battleborn batteries are some of the more expensive lithium battery’s and they’re $1000 for 100ah so $8000 for 800ah I bought cells and have 200ah for $750
@@Justmekpc…exactly. 800 Ah would cost less than $4k using cells like you did or even buying 4-200Ah batteries. There are many high quality batteries out there nowadays!
Hey nice post. You did it in a nice informative way. You gave them the points to look for and gentle reminded them the manufacturers can be deceiving
We have a 2500 ProMaster DIY, yes we have a compost toilet, an outdoor shower, a sink with running water, and swivel seat. We have a 260W solar, 200AH battery. We have considered upgrading our batteries .
We did a 3-month cross country tour.. only 8 one-night campsites, and the rest was stealthing. in the 3 months, we never had to recharge from the alternator, strictly solar and the batteries were fine. we do not use a microwave, everything on the BBQ, including baking biscuits and bread.
82 days, 24,000km 8 campsites, never plugged-in or alternator charge. This year a 60-day tour of Alaska, Yukon and Northern BC.
Oh wow! This is amazing! Sounds like the best time ever! Thanks for sharing your experience!
If I have 100k, I'm thinking of getting a Tacoma and a small tear drop trailer. It's more flexible and easier to sell each one.
True! Our friends have a tear drop and they love it!
I rented a 32 ft class c and it got 10 miles to the gallon with 3 adults and 3 children and it was fantastic
Love our class B, a PW OnTour 2.2. Always good to help folks with the Pro and Con of the features. Battery upgrade was probably spendy, but gives so much versatility! On our way to Puerto Penasco!
Jealous!!!! We are going there in a couple of weeks! Enjoy 🏝️
I've owned a 31' class A, 40' class A, and a 35' class A. They got 6, 5, and 10mpg respectively. Gas, diesel, and diesel. That last dropped to 6mpg when towing a small Honda Civic flat. Major pains? All were a pain to service, all were a pain to maneuver just about anywhere other than on interstates. Fueling-up was always at truck stops. Most important: all were extremely expensive to maintain their drive trains. I LIVED in the 31' for 3 years single, and 3 years in the 35' with family of 5, the latter in Ontario, Canada during a winter.
Because of their size and pain factors - they didn't get used much once parked.
My brother has a 40' 5th wheel. With his wife, they cavorted around a total of about six months. He hasn't driven it anywhere in a decade, and has had to repair its plumbing twice as it sat and rodents ate the Pex water pipes.
#1 son has been living in a 5'x10' cargo trailer camper we made - for THREE years. Towed by a Frontier pickup, he's saving for a Class B that we intend to convert, too.
Unlike Class As and most trailers - Class Bs will be USED frequently and not sit. "Lot Rot" is the main problem with larger RVs as sitting is horrible for drivetrains ( particularly automatic transmissions ).
The layout of your particular van and its bathroom wouldn't work for him. #1 son is 6'6" and, though living alone currently, he intends to "entertain" at some point, and that pitiful bathroom space ain't gonna cut it. We have ideas to mitigate that.
Keep up the good work, only suggestion I'd give is to indicate WHERE you are when you're showing the scenery!
Finding the right rig so important,after a two year search I found the perfect Class C RV,28FT,well maintained,sold to me by a good friend of a friend who knew the complete history of the vehicle.I lived in it for three months last year playing drums all over the east coast,what a blast !!! Been upgrading and maintaining it all month getting ready for this summer,love working on it and making it my own .RV life is good.
Sounds amazing! Agreed!
THRILLED for you❣️
FTing 8yrs in my 21' TT and love it. Plenty of interior room and storage. Not too big and can get in many different sites. Unhook and then go off-roading in the truck!
My wife and I own a 2021 Tellaro AT (with top bunk sleeper) and traveled cross country from coastal Virginia to Portland OR, driving 8800 miles in 30 days last summer. The best mileage consistently achieved is 14.5 mpg, highway miles. Not nearly what you claim you get (18 mpg). Like you, the Tellaro is very convenient yet cramped in the "bathroom". Let's call it "the mini potty" and "port-a-shower". However, the van shines when having to park ANYWHERE with which only 22 feet to contend. My biggest complaint is the blatant lack of build quality by THOR. Molding, drawers, skylight, electrical tower, and even the awning...just simply junk. Have returned to Camping World on at least six occasions to plead for warranty repairs. For 100K, this van's amenities are lacking and almost disappointing. The RAM 3500 rides well, but we found it dismal with the transmission struggling to transverse I-70 West through Colorado and other 5% inclines along the way. The 20FT van concept is solid and makes perfect sense for couples seeking to tour North America. THOR simply needs to up its quality standard when tricking out these van shells. Thank you for sharing your experience with the world. Happy Vanning!
Sooo agree!
Agree! Quality needs to get better. It’s not great at all. We’ve had so many issues with ours. Sounds like you had an amazing trip! We would love to do something similar. Thanks for sharing!
I have 2 Promasters that I load up and pull a small trailer. Drive the thing in 5th gear. Run it down the road and get a consistent 16.2 mpg. 150,000 miles of doing this.
If you are tall, like me, the Thor 2LB, (two Long Beds), have long beds. Also a convection/microwave oven. The bathroom is also larger. It does not have two unwanted seats.
Oh nice! Thanks!
The truth is, you will never be fully satisfied with a mass-produced class b van. The major OEMs will always cut corners and compromise features/quality to maximize their profit margins, they are known for this, with very few exceptions. I've looked at them all and not a single options was satisfactory to me, at any price point. So I'm planning to purchase a custom built class b that I will design and probably have built by Humble Road in New Jersey. Of course, a custom designed van built by a master upfitter will be very costly, but as a one-time purchase that I will have to live with for 20+ years, it's worth it to me. Even at a higher price point, if you are totally satisfied with the custom build and you don't lose a ton of money selling it down the road, isn't it worth the extra up front cost? I think so.
Humble Road is a great van builder. Nothing but quality. Great choice
I need a shower every night. Cant imagine not showering before going to bed and that emptying cassette toilet its another story😂. Thank you for sharing pros especially the cons.
Haha. Agree!
We just upgraded from a 17" tear drop (Mini Max) to the Sequence 20l and love it so far! Yes It's crazy expensive but we had to find one that would fit into our garage since our HOA would not let us keep it in our driveway. The towing life just wasn't for us even with a 17" foot trailer. For us the biggest pro is we don't have to tow. We installed a 10 foot door and the Sequence just barley fits into our garage lengthwise but the height is fine. We are Small Camper big Fun on UA-cam if you ever want to connect. Cheers.
Followed your channel! Love that you can park in your garage! That would be a dream.
@@Vancaskeys thanks for the follow! Can't wait to see more of your adventures. Due to "life" it may be a bit before we can get out and camp on a regular basis but we will post when we can.
I did spend 112000 for my new 2022 Winnebago Solis PX. I love it. Bath looks slightly wider and the cassette toilet swivels sideways so more legroom. Lots of storage in cabinets and under bed. I leave Murphy bed down most of time but like option of putting it up i Solis as I wanted simple systems no lithium or computer run. Love my gas tank run generator for air when off grid I know it’s a lot more money but Travato G has bigger bath. Mine fits my wandering life. I leave chairs by campsite but I haven’t boondock Ed yet.
Have you considered replacing your cassette toilet with a composting one? Have a C-Head in my B and it works well. Enjoyed your presentation, thanks.
We have thought about it...thanks for enjoying!
When big things are built and designed small, they are always expensive. This would appeal to me for traveling, but not long term living/traveling. My wife and I would definitely get a hotel room or Air B and B from time to time. Most of the fishing places we go have restrooms and showers. Good video...well explained.
Idea here: you could get an electric bike and attach a small trailer to pull behind for your groceries, problem solved. Well, maybe not the best solution if you have to store both a bike & a trailer somewhere on/in your van. 😳 ps - maybe consider purchasing a trailer to pull behind your van to carry along stuff like bikes and other (extra camping essentials)? Just a thought. 🙂
Picked up our Class B in December 2022. Ford Transit HR extended. Bathroom is bigger 39" and am so happy as smaller would work yet it's just right. Enjoy your travels!
Oh what a great van! I’d like to test drive a Ford van. Enjoy your travels too!-Bob
Well done video guys. Thanks for that. But... I would like to offer a different data point on Class A and C mpg. Our Tiffin Class A gasser got 7 mpg most of the time, and our current WBGO Class C diesel averages 18 mpg. I've never heard of a Class A getting only 5 mpg. Just saying.
I’m about 35k all in on my rig. I don’t travel as much, I just like minimal life. I built my own tiny home trailer I live in full time and my tow rig is a hummer. The tiny home comes off the trailer quite easy so you can use it like a flat bed when needed. The hummer is outfitted in the back to carry all my tools for work. I use it like a mobile cabin for when I’m working off the lake. I’m just finishing up all the smaller details this year like mounting an enduro bike, the solar system and a custom roof box for the hummer.
22' does exceed the length of many parallel parking spots in cities, btw.
Thanks for this info! I don’t think we’ve tried to parallel park this beast yet 😂
@@Vancaskeys Not to mention, 22 feet also exceeds the length of spaces in parking lots. And if they have those damn concrete bars at one end, that means you'll either stick 2-3 feet out in traffic....or need to patent the world's first rear-end slide out.(G) Horns of a dilemna, huh?
I have a Thor Scope 18M with a big rear bathroom. Love it.
My daughter loves her Thor 2023 Tallaro 20J. Storage is a problem. She try's not to use the cassette and has become adept at solving that problem. I once had a little 25ft Albin cruiser and my 5'10" frame had my knees halfway across the cabin. But I was pretty much solo on my long cruse. I wanted to put a cargo rack on the back tow hitch with a big storage bin, but she did not want anything hanging out the back. I fixed the cheap plastic lock on the grey water hose compartment with a metal one from ACE hardware. I made a larger table to go over the swing table for her to work from. Since last July 28th to now she has put about 6,800 miles on it. The bike rack in the back is a back breaker and only good for clanging you in the head when you open the rear doors. I like your arrangement better. Now instead of paying $1,600 a month for an apartment, she can travel and seems to have friends in almost every state she can visit and park with and Harvest Host in between. As a former sailor and adventurer, I admire her Land Yacht she call her "Vashion".
That’s a great van! We were impressed by the 20j! Love the name!
@@Vancaskeys If she had just waited for another month she could have got the new Airstream at almost the same price, the General RV dealer had been tempting her for a few months and gave her a good price on her ProMaster City and her 2014 Trillium Outback. Always loved the Airstream's
Thank you for all your videos, very helpful. I have not had mine long enough to have any problems yet. Some of the issues you had, Thor as fixed on my new 2024 model. Summers are long and hot where I am also, so I got a white van, it stays cooler on those hot days. My van is the rear bath model with two beds (20L- 59k -2LB), I am tall and like the open floor plan. The new Ram as the 9-speed trans, and nice gas mileage for such a heavy load. Ram has a nice turning radius for a 21' van. I added a Wolfbox G900 Rear View Mirror Camera, a must. Also put on KO2 Tires and 1 ½ inch Owl Lift.
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I think the problem is that y’all need to spend MORE than $100K to really get all the PROs y’all would like and could use in a Class B RV, i.e. pop-top, more seat belts, motorized bed, more bed options, larger bathroom, motorized sewage clean out, better storage, larger refrigerator, induction stove, etc for which your Thor appears to be deficient in your bare-bones model. Suggest you research other RV manufacturers, ie Roadtrek, that costs more, but provide more. As experience teaches, you get what you pay for. Plus, like car companies, some RV manufactures are better at making vehicles than others. This is a hard truth you may need to deal with.
I went one step further having a Transit AWD Grit Overland GOA/T built that cost $200k and it's heaven for me! After 25 yrs of overlanding throughout the Southwest in a fully customized VW Vanagon, suffering in winter and summer I can now road trip year round. If you know exactly what you need and want it's totally worth the big bucks.
You mentioned having to have worked on on just about everything in a new class b. This is what has been keeping my wife and I from buying one over the last year. It's an awful lot of money to spend to then find out that it is riddled with quality issues. Do you have a video where you break down all of the issues you've had with your newest class b v van?
Not yet...but that video is coming!
We’re looking to buy a dodge Ram empty ! My husband is a builder by trade so I think we can put exactly what we want. We don’t need a shower. Staying at campgrounds and rv parks , they have showers. Probably just a porta potty in case. We are close to retirement so we are. It interested in boon docking. Need a little bit more comfort. But we like the van idea. We used to have a class C, 30 ft.
We are looking at a Tellaro 20L but seems like the RV market/dealerships are not willing to come down on the price at all. So we will wait for the DEEP discounts in the near future only a matter of time and this to will be like the housing market.
Yeah-you’d think they’d be coming down in price because of the interest rates and housing market…i agree it won’t be too long.
U guys should check out enclosed cargo trailers and convert ur own rv
I totally would've poured the melted icing on the rolls AFTER they were on each plate/bowl for easier cleanup of the stove top oven thingy.
Missed opportunity! Great idea!
Everyone has different needs and wants when it comes to an RV. My wife got sucked into the B craze on social media. Long time camper/rv family. Retired 3 years ago and US travel was at the top of our bucket list. We did a ton of research on B and B plus options. I convinced the wife to narrow it down to 2 or 3 and we would rent each unit for 1 to 2 week trips. We're both glad we took this approach. We rented a 21 Travato for a 2 week New England fall trip and a 20 Leisure Wonder for a Southern Winter trip. We liked the Wonder so much more than Travato. We realized the first week in the Travato that the B option wasn't for us for many reasons. We still rented the Wonder to confirm our findings.
1) Overall comfort was a deal breaker, both driving and spending time inside. Sleeping was OK but we spent a rainy day or 2 in both units and it was miserable.
2) Organization and lack of storage for all but the basics. Wonder was better but still too little for week or more.
3) Wet bath in the Travato was a huge negative
4) Cost and quality. In my opinion the available chassis choices in North America for the Bs are seriously lacking. They are all junk in my opinion, and will cost a fortune to maintain once out of warranty or to continue keeping under a high miles warranty. The components in both leave a lot to be desired. See a lot of maintenance. I spent a few hours at a Winnebago dealers service department in NH. Spoke with several disgruntled Travato owners who were not happy with their units or Winnebago.
To sum it up. For us the Bs are ok for a couple for day trips and at best a long weekend when extra gear isn't necessary. We found both units uncomfortable when spending more than 5 total hours driving, even with breaks. Cost, quality, and overall comfort were the biggest deal breakers for us.
@John John, Thank you so much for your insight.
Dang, thank you so much for your thorough response. I'm glad I can't afford a Class B Van. I like the idea of renting and seeing how they are. I keep talking about traveling and not working so much. How would I not work so much if I keep having big bills like a huge van payment. I should just learn to camp out of my Subaru Ascent and stay in pet friendly hotels like My Place or Airbnbs. Thank you again.
Love Larry the lemon 🍋 Hey so that label peeled off can be doctored! Get some furniture stain pens, find a stain for your base to match them use the pens to make faux wood lines! 👍
I think having it as a daily driver makes it worth it. I like the ones with twin beds and back bathroom as it offers more room to use bathroom and no cassette toilet. Price wise, out of my budget right now. Maybe a used one in a couple years.
for me the deal breaker on anything is not having a toilet and a shower that can be hooked up to "city utilities" when not in da woods....
You can spend a lot of nights in a hotel/motel for 100K.
Exactly! 400 nights in nice hotels. Or... 25 different cruises to see the world!
It's more about the experience than cost. If money were no object to me, I'd buy a $230K Interstate 19 Sprinter van to travel around in.
Class B is best for weekeders and no more than a week Boon Docking.... Otherwise its easier to drive and great MPG, Camping is spent OUTDOORS not indoors...Outdoor campers have no issue with minimums inside...
You guys get better and better. Keep'em coming!
Thank you!!!
Totally new to any kind of thought of "Van" touring/camping/vacationing. No interest in some specialized mega machine that doubles as a seasonal home, so your video was right in my wheelhouse.
Thanks so much. You guys are a delight.
And cinnamon rolls are the bomb.
Another great video. Your cinnamon rolls came out better than the ones I did in a real oven for our grandkids recently. I guess the Bob timer is more accurate than the Dan timer. You guys have really been a lot of places and it's great to see that you are still happy with the Tellaro. Happy Trails.
Thanks Dan! The Bob timer is a thing 😅
Leisure Travel Vans.... Unity Corner Bed... Awesome room and layout.
Really enjoyed this. I continue my Class B search. Glad you found a great way to travel !
Thank you!!!
I don't understand why they didn't borrow an idea from Canadian brand Roadtrek. That brand had a foldout leaf on the door. It would bend slightly so the door could be latched inside but it stuck out 2 inches. Some RV owners thought this was a gimmick until they owned one and understood the brilliant ingenuity of the idea. When shut, the door won't hit your knees! I don't know if Roadtrek still makes RVs with that feature but they blew me away with the first ever rear slide out so the bed could fit on a 170" chassis, shaving 20" off the overall length of the vehicle.
I think your van is perfect for your life and situation. I like that you can work there in the extra seating area. You have a primary home and parking it in the driveway seems essential. And for those who can afford it, a Class B is so versatile and meets so many trip requirements. For long-term, primary living place, a Class C seems to me to be the choice.
Thank you. We agree!
With Covid's affect on inflation and cost of flights, Australia has seen a huge demand for RV's, towed caravans and camping trailers so the cost has gone up exponentially. I chose a 1yr old poptop caravan as I can tow it with our family SUV and park it secure and out of the weather at home. Has all the comforts we need, can be a problem parking in built up and tourist areas, but we can unhitch it at camp sites and go adventuring.
Love your videos!!! About to make the jump into a class B. The versatility is the key for me.... go just about anywhere. Keep them coming! Learning a lot!!!
Thank you!!! Let us know when you get it!🚐
Lovely for 2 people who can make it work. I'm eyeing a class C for 3 people and 2 dogs in the near future. Can't Wait to hit the roads. Thanks for Sharing.
Best of luck! Sounds like a class C would be great for you all!
Just came across your channel today. Good video. We also have a promaster, it's a 2022. Have you had any problems with the starter battery? Ours needs to go on the charger twice per week. Seems there are lots of factory "things" in the van draining power while it sits. It sits because we are camperizing it. Safe travels to both of you.
Thank you! No, we have not had any problems with the starter battery but now we know to be on the lookout 😬 We have had so many other issues. As of now, they are all fixed but it was quite a headache for some time. Safe travels to you too!
I thought your video was very well done. I had not seen your little oven substitute before. It appears to work well for you and is a great space saver.Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much!
Awesome vid. After watching, I think a small class C/B+ with a promaster or transit chassis would be great. Full time bed, larger bathroom, bigger tanks and some outside storage without too much of an increase in footprint or fuel usage.
Thanks! Agree that’s the perfect setup!
I did the B+ for a year plus loved it just stay under 28 feet 24 is better.
@@gregmeyer2897What B+ was that? I'm looking for good B+
I like the stove Top Oven thingee ,Music was just right also . You`ll are a lot of Fun to Watch though being informing.
This is a great video. I’m definitely considering a B van. So many things I like about them like the versatility. I just sold a 22 Entegra Odyssey 26M class C and thought I would love the Murphy bed…..nope, it was way too much of a pain putting it up and taking it down. And the gas mileage was always right at 9 miles to the gallon 😢. Lots of room but to cumbersome. Thanks for super cool oven pro tip.
Thanks! Class B Vs Class C...both have great Pros and Cons. We haven't owned a class C yet but do love our class B.
Just subscribed to your channel. Thanks for sharing the pros and cons!
We’re thinking of doing a van life when he retires. Have so much to learn. Cheers
What I have learned is all RVs are a luxury item. If you are not doing well financially stay away.
Or buy used.
Or become less spoiled
We just invested in a 1986 Chevy camper van at auction. Remodeling it changing out the toilet for a composting toilet. We got a 30ft toyhauler but want to try thus once finished class b out for short trios. Would do vidios on befor after but no clue on how to eddit them 😢
Oh fun!!! What kind of phone do you have? You can film and edit on a iphone. People love seeing these kind of videos! Congrats on your van!
@@Vancaskeys I got a Note 10+ it's an
Samsung phone 📲 I know how to use the vidio it's the eddeting.
How could I post it with you please? This van will be amazing. Like to stay in touch
Angie
That oven pan is amazing. I had a Travato and now camp in a Ford Transit Connect. Super tiny. I never used any of the systems in the Van. Even it was too much for me. Good review of the Pro's and Con's
Right! It's so great! Sounds like you found the perfect van for you! Love it!
Exactly! My daughter took my 2012 Ford Transit Connect XLT that was already done up for mild camping or longer road trips and is fitting it better to her needs. My daughter and I are both just 5’2” and really don’t need much. I take my ALiner trailer out more now.
Some people complain microwave is a waste of space, never used? I use microwave all the time at home. So i will use it everyday in camper too!
Haha...nice!
I don't have one yet, but I think a class B is easier to park and get around in. If you're open to video ideas, how about sharing what maintenance is like? I never hear vanlifers talking much about that side of it. For instance, do you have to take your RV to an RV dealership for regular maintenance and repairs or can you take it to a Promaster dealership (or whatever company built your chassis)? What are the costs for regular maintenance like oil changes, new tires, etc.? Have you had any problems with your engine, transmission, etc.? You guys just popped up in my algorithm so I'll look at your library to see if you've already shared some of this info. Thanks for the video!
That's a great idea. Thanks!!!
@allthings nu, Yes, we need to see more of the practical, nitty gritty, not so fun, side of things, vs the whoo whoo let's go, side of things. A view for the algo is a view either way, lol.
Hello from Michigan. Rich and Karen here. Yes, we got a 2023 Thor L sequence van. Already in the shop for electrical repair, well, taking it in tomorrow. I think our bathroom is bigger, the bathroom is in back of the van. Also we have dual couch that could turn to bigger bed or we will probably keep them separated foe ease of use. We also have the ion battery but slightly different than yours, I guess we will figure it out. Love your videos, putting on subscribe list.
Love the 20L! Such a fantastic Van! Sorry you already need repairs. Quality is something that needs to get better.
I researched for several years as I know your problem when I upgraded from my Little Guy Max after two years of full-time living to discover Tank size and a four seasons RV are essential for my type of travel.
My Northwoods 22G travel trailer is perfect for me as I can park it and get around with my tow vehicle. The class B’s are convenient but for full-time living the aspects for two people in an class B becomes apparent for the price. Enjoy your journey! 🎉
Oh, that's a good one! I bet it's so nice!
This is so helpful. My husband and I are planning to purchase in a few years. Travel with our beautiful beagles, USA and Canada. We are nervous we aren’t going to purchase the correct one, costly mistake. I’m also nervous at the size to drive, that why we’re not considering a fifth wheel.
1. Cassette Toilet = use the toilet at public bathrooms when you can.
2. Bathroom size =Bathroom in the rear layout makes for a much larger bathroom.
3. Large bed = small bathroom (but you kids are way tall)
4. Seating for four = need turn the rear seats to face the side door.
5. No generator = needs plugged in, scares me!
6. Water (fresh and grey) storage is way small in class B = Though dumping and refilling is so simple.
7. Storage Box on rear is a must.
1. Yes!
2. True! Should have thought of this.
3. So true 😅
4. Yes!
5. It’s not been an issue. The solar does a good job charging it.
6. True!
7. Yes! Agree!
@@Vancaskeys how often do you use the AC? South Florida summers on just battery scares me.
I want to buy one used and remove the bathroom shower and probably the micro stove sink area also. I will use my gym, a public restroom or squat. I will do most cooking outdoors like tailgating. I want more space inside to relax or storage. I am not running all those electricals and propane and potentially burn my place down. Fixed bed yes but up higher to take advantage of all that wasted space.
If you don’t think your bathroom is too small, it’s too big A lot of places have over size vehicle restrictions, usually that is max length 20, and height 7, so you violate both those Just because you think it fits any parking space, it may not
Ture. It definitely won't fit in every spot. Especially if it's covered parking.
I believe a class B van is more convenient like a regular car. I'll be looking for a van with a 170 chassis. A bathroom is a game changer👍👌
Awesome video guys! New sub here. My wife and I have been looking at these vans as an upgrade to our truck tent camper and 100% agree that a fixed bed is key. I love the layout of this current van since u have the swivel chairs and table at the front.
I saw your guys other video on all the repairs needed on your previous van, did u guys buy this new van at La Mesa as well? I’m in vegas and the La Mesa dealer has been coming up in my search a ton. Cheers guys!
Thanks! Welcome! Yes, we bought it at La Mesa both times. We had a great experience with buying it. It’s just the warranty stuff that hasn’t went well for us. 😝
@@Vancaskeys Good to know. Thank you!!
I’m wondering why change from a cabover camper +truck to a class B? I’m debating that exact dilemma! I’m a single senior. Thanks
@@katewilson4519 we want something that would require less setup and have more home comforts (fixed bed, heat, AC, running water) we would still keep our truck and camper around for more off road camp trips but would use the van for cross country trips visiting cities/towns. We also want something enclosed so we can use harvest hosts. Our truck camper (GFC) is more of a step up from a roof top tent but it’s not an actual camper- if u check out my channel I do a ton of videos of my truck camper setup it’s definitely bare bones
Wouldn't mind a Murphy, Jefferson or folding bed as long as I don't have to make it every night
We just sold our Michigan home and bought a 2018 Corado Banff (we also have a mobile home in a 55 and up park here in Florida) we were so excited to take it out for the first time camping. We’ve been driving it around as our vehicle. It has a regular RV toilet but we are thinking about a composting one because the whole black tank thing is gross. Is a composting toilet just as gross? I was watching different rv shows but can’t relate to the people who tow or drive things over 40ft.
I would definitely opt for the twin bed/rear bath layout.
Same
Alot of cost of class b comes from being able to be stored easy which makes them desirable. Also your talking about 50k dollar van here being 3500 promaster. Add the build out cost and if it's lithium equipped like travato or this Thor you have just diy of that alone can run you 10-20k. All this fun adds up quick.
I think someone should do a custom vs prebuilt comparison. I have the exact same van that I purchased as an empty cargo van and had converted. I researched and planned the layout for 2 years. This eliminated many of the "truths". I will say I only have 400 amp hours of battery and 400 watts of solar, but it hasn't been an issue so far! 🤞Great video!
Thanks! This is a great idea!
Already on UA-cam😊
I owned many RVs in the past - Class A 45' - 43 - 39 - 32 - 29 Class C - 24 FW, and Class B - 21' and now have my DIY Sprinter van - custom - the cheapest but my favorite - everything works according to plan. IMHO - sell Mr. Lemon (after fixes) and build your own - you are ready
The only pro I can see is that it is small and can go almost anywhere, but it goes back to, for me, just because you can, does not mean you should. As you pointed out you are paying A CRAP TON of MONEY for less everything! $100k will buy you quite a few nice vacations staying at 5 star resorts and even private flights… but I suppose very few people are actually paying for this in cash and merely “affording the monthly payment” and going into a crap ton of debt.
PRO: They allow you to make great videos for people to watch! Thanks for sharing the info and your adventures. Now if you would only share those cinnamon rolls! :)
Yes! Big pro! Thank you!!! Wish we could share them!
install crossbar frame on back and carry light motorbike on it, like detachable lifeboat. For local rides, small shopping, parking in the middle of beachfront and so on - perfect solution. I use Honda Grom for this, it weights less then me and fits across even on Toyota Hiace.
stovetop oven in old Soviet practice called "печь чудо", "wonder oven", well known solution for baking on usual gas stove. Not perfect as requires very precise temperature control, but at least something.
Bed - there are liftable beds from some camper fitters. It goes up on 4 electric screw lifts as is and becomes part of ceiling, revealing some sofa-style seating with folding table on floor and storage beneath (accessible from inside!). Zero work required.
Storage - mb try to make these 2 back seats changeable to cabinetry/shelving, depending of what is required, seating or storage.
fuel... my (diesel) Crafter gobbles 11L/100km = 24m/gal. 4motion version, MWB ie 6m length, hight roof, constantly loaded (its mobile workshop not a camper). When someone says "7 miles per gallon" = 40L/100km - it really scares.
Just think 30 years ago a $100,000 could buy you a mansion.
Funny, but no.
@@davidhammer2854 Not beachfront property in California, Florida, Nyc, but majority of the states, yes, absolutely.
I'm learning more about class Bs. I want the wider B÷ or Cs due to more space😊
Way too expensive to buy new. Buy used with low mileage and then it’s a pro.
I recover the AC unit condensation. As it produces 5 gallons a day in the summer..You can gain more leg room with an overhead rail curtain. Which allows you to keep the door open..Roadtrek has this in there Class B's....
And no matter what Class B you drive. Having a fixed bed takes up 1/3rd the space is not an answer.. Unless you sleep 18 hours everyday...
I love watching you two grow in the RV life. Looking forward to the first class C purchase. Lol.
Thanks Randy! One day😂🤣