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Isn't the echo more like 176K , and yikes that is expensive . Yours is more like a short term vacation vehicle. I've seen people live in large 5th wheel RV's. you have a house and an apt so that helps being able to get respites.
HUGE LIE for me: I thought that as a CHEMISTRY TEACHER, I could easily use my RV as a portable Meth lab, ....avoid the police, avoid other meth dealers, and make a lot of money.... but I had some things that were breaking bad
Never, ever tell the dealer or the manufacturer you are living in it full time OR imply you are. It's an easy out for them to void warranties and covered repairs.
Your incorrect. Many rigs...5th or class a is rated my the manufacturer for full time. Your insurance is more duh. Your living in it and it covers so much more. Even storage sheds.
lol, Tell me one rv dealer that isn't? Winnebago is probably the best bet, but even they have a lot of downfalls, hence, there is no perfect RV dealer....however, I wish there was, and if so, don't you think everyone would be going to them?
So are motorcycle dealers? This isn’t true in all cases, rvs are generally seasonal businesses which means certain times of the year are way busier than others.
This causes me to wonder what people are doing to remedy this obvious problem? After watching this video I would think that less rigid piping would be a top priority. Can PEX be used in an RV both for in / out-bound liquids? Knowing that literally everything in the RV is gonna be shaking almost constantly while driving, I would want fewer sharp edges, and more flexible joints, as well as the best suspension humanly possible (not airbags per se, but maybe coilovers?)
I always recommend to folks who are interested in an RV to rent one and use it for a week or more to see all the work and costs that are involved before deciding to buy one.
I delivered RV's for a living let me tell you this. They would often have things like cabinet doors break off, TV's fallen off the brackets, frames on trailers out of square causing tracking issues, but my main issue w the RV industry was this.... We transporters were often told upon delivery 1. Nobody here to sighn off on paper work after we called hours before letting them know a delivery was coming in. 2. Often made to wait hours while inspection was done on the unit ( as if we were the ones that made the dam thing) 3. Gripped at because something was broken accused of using the unit to sleep in while transporting it. 4. Told we couldn't use the restrooms at the dealership. 5. Made to wash the road grime off the unit ( as if it were our fault it got dirty on the way to delivery) bugs and dirt especially winter road grime. Never buy an RV because if they treat their independent contractors that way then how are you going to be treated after they have your money?
Exactly why I think buying a great van that was meant to be a business van instead of a camper van, and a toyota of the right model and year (which I've forgotten!) and doing a tent camping set up instead is best! No pipes to break, no running water, no grey tank. Excellent! I would still do solar power though.
I’ve lived in my RV 6-9 months a year for the last ten years due to work as an alternative to residing in motels/hotels. 1. Never depend on dealers to take care of your issues. You’ll have to get lodging while they “fix” it with a “don’t call us, we’ll call you when it’s ready attitude”. 2. Have your own tools …. Jack,Jack stands, high power cordless impact to include impact sockets, cordless driver, wrench’s, screw drivers, volt meter, pex tools and various fittings etc. 3. Perform your own maintenance schedules, bearing packing, especially fast wear items like equalizer and leaf spring bushings, ac condenser cleaning, etc. Tip: Wash RV including roof in the rain, provided there’s no lightning. Start at the bottom and wash upwards with the roof last. Soap doesn’t dry while washing and it’s streak free. If you have a streak that remains, use a magic eraser. (Use care on decals) Only needs occasional rinsing while washing. 4. When in transit, don’t be in a hurry. The harder RV hits bumps at high speeds the quicker fasteners holding everything together has a tendency to work loose. 5. Use online resources to order parts needed and can be delivered to an area near you especially Amazon as lockers and UPS stores are everywhere for pickup. 6. Remember…. You’re on your own and no one’s coming to rescue you unless there’s a steep price involved. Safe travels✌️
Two issues: you need good garage storage 1) the shell is nowhere near as durable as a regular vehicle, and 2) are vulnerable to insect and rodent intrusion.
I've heard so many horror stories from RV purchasers that I changed my mind about purchasing one. Thank you for posting this video. This will help many people who are looking to purchase an RV. 👏
It’s not that cut and dry, if you go with a reliable manufacturer then you’ll fare better, an RV isn’t that different to a self built van your first thing you need to focus on Is the engine, does it have a good reputation, are they known for being reliable, are they easy to repair, etc etc etc, some will need fixing constantly, others will go for ever needing very minimal work overall. They are a great purchase but like anything you’ll have maintenance that needs doing, the same way a house requires upkeep to function properly and maintain its value and stay looking nice etc
This video is SPOT ON. We’re in month 4 of ongoing problems with our new $135K Thor Tiburon. I think our dealer did ZERO on the inspection it seemed to me like it was the first time they went in the RV. Every system failed so we had repairs done immediately +1 month waiting. Then we took home the RV - our solar also was not connected to the battery, our awning snapped. Now we’re on month 4 and the Rv is still at the dealership waiting for approvals from Thor, baking in the sun. Great video. Hire your own inspector!!!
I'm sorry to read that, how frustrating and frankly fraudulent because it was not "fit for the intended use." We have a travel trailer that was much cheaper, and all my research showed to expect repairs on any RV you get, so that scared me to the low end as a first time RVer
Many of our friends bought high end trailers or fifth wheelers and you are telling the truth. One thing you left out is the difficulty of setting up camp in many high end RV's with 50 amp power. It is physically difficult to even plug it in! We opted to buy a "blank" Dodge Ram Pro Van and have it converted to our specifications. When we camp in it, we can put down the 3 piece bench seat, place our two matching Igloo 5 day coolers behind it, and put a Queen size airbed on top of it for sleeping. We cook outside on our Coleman 2 burner camp stove, use campground facilities or our luggable loo, and use public showers. In seven years, we have not had to make any repairs except for a broken windshield or body damage. I'd highly recommend this route.
Sounds pretty much like what I want to do. Plan to move from tent camping to van camping. A nice bed, cooler, Camp stove, water jug, dish pan, fan, and usb puck lights and I’ll be good. My parents RV for months at a time and the cost of gas is out of sight. No thank you. If anything, I’d consider a Solis.
You cannot buy a car on a credit card, because of the differing rules of auto contracts from regular sales. But in some states you can buy an RV with a credit card, because RV sales somehow trump that whole concept. And mortgages are only for land and associated properties, but in some states you can buy an RV on a 30 yr mortgage -- despite that it has wheels and a vehicular licence. They make it extra legal for RV sales to be really shady.
Why don't you write a letter to Santa about? Of course you know that Santa is lie. Why are you trying to deal with liers? Why do you lie to others with Santa lie? "Don't cry honey! Of course, you ain't hooker. You are the loyal wife of nameless trinity of the Husband." But, the whole world is happy with such a "loyalty". Here is a Christ's question, Mathew 15: 3: "But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?" Malachi 2: 1-4: "And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith Jehovah of hosts, then will I send the curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings; yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will rebuke your seed, and will spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your feasts; and ye shall be taken away with it. And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant may be with Levi, saith Jehovah of hosts." (ASV) A women say "the Husband has no name". Another ones say "the Husband has many names". Some of women "love the Husband in all his manifestations" like: neighbour, taxi driver, coworker, and so forth. Some women in a Husband-fearing way call him "H-D"... But, all of those prostitutes say "the Husband is the only". Their prostitution has created another women saying "there is no Husband at all". Then they even talk about "trinity of the Husband" and they are not against "the Son taking the Husband's place". In the same way religious prostitutes try to hide their disgusting fornication with different gods. Furthermore, a correct pronunciation of the Name is unknown now. This is the “loyalty” of traitors! Here is the God's word spoken through Moses, Deuteronomy 11: 16-17: "Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; And then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you." So, the God says there are other gods, but blind leaders of blind lead people into trap. Names of an idols/false gods are well known: Zeus, Rempha/Chiun, Aurora, Baal, Moloch and many others. "Jesus" means "Jehovah is salvation". This is the name of Christ real christians are hated for. "HalleluJah" means "Praze Jah" (Jehovah). Psalm 83: 18: "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." (KJV) The problem is Devil runs the world. He is lier and murderer. This is the reason why liers feel so good while righteous people are persecuted. That's why we've got the Gospel about the God's kingdom. Jehovah would put everything in order. He has anointed the king, Jesus Christ. The dead will be resurected and we'll meet our beloved ones again! :-)
Anyone thinking about buying an RV should see this video - spot on. Lies is an understatement - "predatory" would be a better description. The dealer walking away from any repair claims should be reason enough for you to walk away. It's a shame that the RV experience has gotten to where it is today since it can take all of the fun out of the adventure. Lastly, an owner better expect to, and know how to, fix stuff on their own. This alone can save a lot of grief, disappointment and money since things will always be breaking on an RV. Nicely done video.
@@allanfifield8256 I looked into renting an R.V. once. It was expensive on top of cost of fueling it. At that point I figured I'll just take a conventional vacation.
I was all set to sign the papers for an RV at the dealership when they suddenly hiked the price by 5% after I told them I wanted to pay in cash instead of financing. I ended up walking away from the deal in the end -- apparently they make a pretty hefty commission off the lender.
@TnavresGaming I think they add finacing fees and demand extra kinds of insurances. It will cost more even if you try to pay it off early to eascape the interest payment. Some loans even punish people for paying them off early with other kinds of fees. I don't know if that was applicable here, but it's a thing.
@@britaeirikr8609 Too true about that being a thing -I paid a credit card off then they turned around and said 'we're going to drop your credit amount from say $500 down to $100.' All because I paid it off. I had made several monthly payments so I did incur interest fees, but all of it was paid. So I cut the card up, threw it in the trash.
I have a friend who buys old Prevost RV’s and refurbishes them. We met him at a campground one time while he was staying in one of his RV’s. At one point, he paused and said, “listen!”…….”do you hear that?”………”something is breaking in my RV”
I have owned 6 RVs. I am so glad you did this video. Every single transaction has been a nightmare. Each one ended up in an arguement with the dealership. My last RV was a truck camper. I gave them my pickup truck, they sent it to a spring shop to upgrade the suspension. After delivery, I drove it to the spring shop. The owner came out, offered me a ride home telling me "I am unable to let you leave my business. I am liable for the incorrect setup of your suspension and the RV." He called the manager of the RV business who in turn called the Lance RV manufacturer. Between Lance and the RV Dealer, they paid to have my suspension, tires and rims upgraded to handle the weight of the Truck Camper. Needless to say, I was done with that dealership and have also told family and friends to NEVER go to them. Now Lance, they did everything right and even supported the RV out of warranty when a manufacturer defect occured (very minor defect), but still, a reputable company when I dealth with them.
Can I ask which Lance model truck camper you had / have? Lance is one of the few manufacturers that still had a decent reputation as far as how they were made. What was your experience with your camper unit?
Blessings to you! 🙏🏾 I am a solo vanlifer , I’ve lived in my van full time since 2021 and have driven all across the country with my dog! I’ve been making video blogs to track my journey ! I love meeting fellow nomadic spirits, come say hello! Happy trails and safe travels! 🚐✨🤙🏾🌙
Great info! Back in 2019 our family of 5 lost our home of 14yrs. Basically we were homeless. Stayed in some motels, friends house, etc. Bought an old 1984 Honey with the cash we had saved and lived in that for 3.5yrs. With the number of folks losing homes, and resorting to the rv living it became very challenging at times to find a campground. My husband and son both worked locally so we were limited to a 20 mile radius. Between storage cost for our household items, gas and the ever rising cost of campsites, we were paying out on average $1400 a month to live cramped in an old rv. Not to mention the stress of moving it and praying we wouldn’t break down! Also many people don’t realize that if your rig is older than 10yrs, some rv parks will not allow you to stay longer than a 10day period on average. Even if it was a half million dollar 20yo rig.
@@sarahann530usually bad money management. Making payments on a house for 14 years only to lose it means they were likely in a house that cost too much for them to handle the mortgage or they were wasting disposable income that could have been put toward paying off the mortgage. We stayed in our 250k home even after we were easily able to buy a house 5 times as much. Why? Because we retired at 50 and saved enough to live the rest of our lives without having to return to work. That little 250k home will soon be worth 1 mil. I’m not bragging, just saying that we never overspent. That the issue. Regardless of income for most ppl.
I never buy a brand new camper.I purchase a RV that is around 3 years old, because the problems have been fixed by the person who purchased it brand new,
My parents bought a brand new RV, it was $120k, in August 21. My dad promptly hit a large rock at the exit of the dealership since he wasn’t used to the turn radius. He had to leave the RV at the dealership for repairs. Didn’t get it back until October.
With automobiles if after the purchase you don’t leave the dealers lot you can back out of the transaction with no penalty. I had that experience with I bought a used van in Flagstaff and did not drive it home because my wife won’t drive on Interstate Highways to get back to Phoenix. Dealer offered for free to drive it to our home, which I declined. That night I had second thoughts and called the next day. They wanted to know why and how they could address the issue, but I wanted to check with some local dealerships later that week agonizing over my signing the sales agreement and writing a check for the full price. It was at a local dealership that I learned that because I did not drive the vehicle off the lot they could not deposit my check and I could walk away from the agreement, not the case once you drive off the lot. Maybe just an AZ thing?
I ran a Auto Repair shop here in Central Cali. 13 miles away from i5. I have installed a lot of Engines in RV's. At that time the Bill ran around $3500-$4000 on average for a new long block with a 3 year 30,000 warranty. Now ? I shudder to think. This was in the early 2000's. Friends have had some nitemare experiences buying new RV's. In all cases the Dealer wants to get your money, wash their hands of you and IT, or BUMPER Warranty, which is when your Bumper passes from their lot to the road you are on your own. A Couple that we are friends bought a new RV and paid 145K. Got 30 miles away from the dealership and it died. It was a Ford Chassis and Ford would not fix it and the RV dealer would not fix it. They went back and forth with them for 6 months until they hired a Lawyer and finally got their money refunded.
I can provide some additional scope. Allegro RV, Ford 7.5L long block R+R was 11,397.78 with 4k of that being labor. Most common folks aren't really going to realize that pulling a pack out of an RV is often 4x as difficult as taking the cab off a diesel pickup to do a long block. It's closer to pulling an engine out of a late 70's - mid 80s full size van, and even those are easier.
Ford is 100% crap! I'd never own or buy a Ford anything! I've read more horror stories about ford then any other RV combined, but the other RVs still failed though.
@@tpkyterooluebeck9224 Ford doesn't build RVs, RV manufacturers buy Ford products to build RVs. Just like they buy Bosch, GE, Weyerhauser, and 3M products too. Or for the flip side of it, Ford cars may be assembled by Ford, but they aren't all in-house parts like when the company was founded. So while you may be driving a Chevy / Ford / Dodge / Toyota / Subaru / ect. hood badge down the road, most all of those brands are driving Bosch or Borg Warner down the road too.
@@nunyabidness674 Toyota vans of specific models have stood the test of time. Dodge is crap. The problem is that the product used to build the vehicle is what matters, and if the product is bad, then the results will still be bad.
@@tpkyterooluebeck9224 Toyota still gets their mini-bulbs from Bosch / Sylvania, and window switches from Borg Warner / Nippo-Denso (Depending on country) Other components are universal too. O2 sensors for example.
I have a $150,000 rv. I am fixing things constantly Sinks leaks because the manufacturer didn't put gaskets. I've had sliding doors fall off, a slide jam, etc.
Next time by expedition vehicles...they do not break so easy...the cost start from 250k to 2 mil...why because they use yacht technology plus they are build to last.
This has to be the best videos on buying/owning an RV I have every seen. I have lived all 9 examples owning an RV. We have had 3 RV's. A used Class C and A. In 2003 we bought a brand new $136,000 Pace Arrow. Learned a lot the hard way. Warranty work was a challenge as the closest repair shop was a 2.5 hour drive and we had to leave it every time for days. We sold the unit four years ago. Now we go on 3-4 nice vacations each year for less money that it cost to own the RV. We did enjoy some great trips around the South. I look forward to following you two on your travels.
Wow, that’s why I like watching Tonya and Dave .they are so honest and it helped me make a decision on going full-time now. I have three dogs. My husband was like it’s a lot, babe. I’m glad we didn’t make that move.
Wish I had seen this 8 months ago! Our Thor Miramar was on the lot for 9 months. We didn't know (and neither did the dealership) that the roof had to be sealed/resealed every 90 days. Leaks, inside rust, wall paper peeling off, etc. We figured that brand new RV from the lot wouldn't need an inspection. Boy! We were wrong!
Back in the day we used to say all rv assembly personnel are blind and stupid. My rv came with the toilet DISCONNECTED from the black tank. They just forgot to connect it, so for weeks and weeks...too gross to say.
When I was looking for work, there was ALWAYS this RV company locally hiring. For $16/hr in a stupidly expensive area. So the people making your home have high turnover and make $16/hr.
You two did a great job. Well done. We have had ours now almost 8 years. Clubs have made a big difference on how often we use it and we’re a great way to meet new folks. When we bought ours were spent a few hours in models we were thinking about. Just sitting in there makes a difference on how well the layout feels and works for you. Stand in the shower, sit on the thrown, lay on the bed. This quickly eliminated models that were great on paper, but did not pass the sit test. One model we found I couldn’t even move in the shower. That would have been bad. Another we felt like we were sitting in a cave when we were on the sofa. Give em a test sit, and not for 5 minutes!
My daughter bought a newFifth Wheel back in 2021, the shake down brought Out a couple of issues but she drove it south to Florida where she was able to find a place privately owned with 10 acres of land where others also lived. She has a beautiful place to park without being on top of another trailer. For $500 a month she has 💦 electricity ⚡️ and sewer. She sold her truck 🛻 and got a 🚗 new. There’s been issues with the awning and frig but for the most part it has been working out for her.
I bought an rv class A about three years ago. I hired my own inspector and had the new rv inspected. News flash!!! He did not even see or discover a fresh water tank leak. I discovered that on my first drive from the dealer to my house. I was treated well by the dealer and the warranty. Pro-Tip: learn as much as possible about rvs and do your own inspections!
We took your advice and rented a couple of different RVs for long weekends and decided owning was not for us! We'll continue to rent when the urge strikes.
2017 we bought a new 24 ft Rev B+- but lighter weight equaled weaker systems. I became good at identifying warranty, talking with Dynamax, then getting repairs. Fast forward- sold at peak of market and later bought excellent condition 2005 Bigfoot; known for solid build & 4 season. Our expectations changed- I do most repairs (leds, stairs motor, oil changes) and we started bookdocking more. Expectations + realistic = Happy owner, and you know how to have fun even when things go wrong.
You guys heroes. We always road-tripping in our full size sedan and dream at least once to rent the RV for few days. But since we have no clue about RV, how to drive and use it - this always remains dream.
Thanks guys for being so forward and honest, we are not owners of an RV, but It is so nice to know about these things before you buy. Love your videos !!
New subscriber here. I have been living in my 35 year old RV for 5 years and understand what you mean. The extremely expensive RV Dometic or Norcold refrigerators are NOT meant for full time use. I have replaced mine with a houseboat refrigerator losing the propane capability. The water heater is NOT meant for full time and I've replaced mine with a on demand water heater. The rooftop A/C and heat unit is not meant for full time so I use a portable unit. The stock toilet and shower are not meant for full time so I replaced mine with a porcelain toilet and mainly use outside solar showers with a shower tent and earth friendly soaps.
My husband and I only buy used RV's. We just bought our last one in February and we have spent about 2000 to fix things. We knew this from previous experience and paid accordingly. We try so hard to keep our rigs in great shape but not everyone does. I hope this is the last one!
Buying a new car comes with it's own issues, they steal the parts off your car for someone else's car, and now it takes two weeks to get your car in the shop and another month to get the part.
I have always bought 10 year old RV's because they depreciate so much many are not even used much sit on a side of a home, or even better stored in an RV storage under a cover.
You are so right. RVs are not to meant to live in full time. One RV tech person on YT said that if you live full time in your RV one year is equivalent to 7 years wear and tear in your sticks and bricks home. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on an RV, things will break down and will need repair. We are looking to upgrade to a class C and we are considering getting a used one from Cruise America where we will have inspected prior to buying. We don’t want to spend $100,000 on a vehicle we only use part time, 2 months max per year for right now, until we retire.
Buying a cruise America is definitely the right move because they are actually the only RVs that are over. Cruise America knows renters have no clue what they're doing and will ride it hard so they actually build them to last.
That’s why I bought me a used 2022 dodge ram promaster and built it myself.. paid $26,000 bucks with 76,000 miles.. Spent 3,600 on building materials.including lithium batteries , labor costs.. $0.00
My father would start his generator every month to keep the parts oiled, but when they went camping the generator wouldn't run the ac, refrigerator etc. He took it to the mechanic who told him during the monthly start up to run the ac to give the generator something to do. I still have his 84 motorhome and the generator works flawlessly.
We just purchased our 3rd RV in July. We downsized from a Super C to a Winnebago View. We use it mostly for driving point A to B or quick visits to family or weekends. This last purchase our dealer required us to sign a document acknowledging that we were NOT living in full time. Which we don’t. But this was a first for us
I bought my Tellaro van this past April, and the mount for one of the access panels failed. Poor design that I have found a better fix for, and I have found some other minor quality issues. I do plan to live in it full time, so thank you for the helpful info.
I'm always been afraid of getting into a very expensive, RV Payment, So I'm into my second older RV my first one was a 1996 Minni winni class c and I had it from 2005 to 2010 and I say ( I ) cause I'm the most unfortunate person that doesn't have an rv partner that drives I'm 64 and I have to do all the driving all the time and after a long day of driving I'm super tired and I can't enjoy anything, So in 2019 I bought a 1998 class c jamboree hoping she would help me drive, boy was I wrong, I've been upgrading it keeping it up to date, I paid 8K and I do most of my own work on it, I replaced the upper and lower ball joints and any worn out steering linkage I had the back breaks i did the front brakes and good thing I did it cause one of the rotors was cracked, I replaced the upper and lower radiator hose's plus the water pump just for maintenance flushed all the fluids and top them off replaced the differential oil cause it looked like tar , My son and I brought down the generator and replaced the starter and the old and rusty muffler, Did all the maintenance on it also, I replaced the inverter and the 2 6 volts batteries, replaced the water pump and installed an expansion Tank for better water pressure I installed a 100 watt solar panel just to keep the batteries charged, I had the tires replaced and the wheels are now all aluminum i replaced the 2 door mirrors with the bigger and better and last but not least I plan to put in a Queen size Happijac electric bed lift cause it's only a 23 footer and I want a bigger bed to sleep on besides the sofa bed and or The table bed.
I like you two! I have no interest in RVs in that price range, don't know why you popped up in my stream but very glad to have stumbled upon you. I'll be diving into your vids & checking it all out.
Great video. We bought a hi end travel trailor and have lived in it in one spot(lucked out) for 8 yrs now. As things break. Expert repair people have said. These things are made for pleasure short term and as things fall apart. You are told they want them next to impossible to fix so you buy a new one.
Absolutely everything you are saying is true! We owned two others rv’s but the big wake up call was when we bought a brand new over $100,000 class C. It was a nightmare from the first trip and it took months to fix a slide. I was out of my mind with worry the whole time. I will never buy a new Rv and want something with some miles and years on it. I appreciate your honesty!!
@@angela-ti1np I recently watched a video that said that less than 10% of the campgrounds do this. State and Federal parks do not refuse older campers. I prefer to stay in state parks anyway because of my lifetime America the Beautiful card 50% off discount. My motorhome is 18 years old and has less than 40k on the odometer. I haven't had an issue yet. The high end resort style campgrounds are the ones that tend to have this rule and I really don't want to pay those prices. And, assuming your rig is in great shape, all you normally have to do is send them a picture and they will let you make the reservation if you're willing to pay over a $100 per night.
There are very few that the age limit is absolute. Most use it to exclude run down RVs. We have all seen them window a/c, plywood window coverings, etc.
Excellent video. Thanks! Never thought to hire an inspector to buy a new RV. Another tip for your viewers is not to rush the process and to make certain that all systems are shown to you; bring a notebook and take notes! Finding the sweet spot between talking yourself out of trying something new and bold... and rushing in. Ah yes. These YT videos really help. Godspeed!
I can’t speak for everyone but I’ve saved about $1200 per month living in my cheap van build . Van cost me $65000 for the van $20000 for the build been good for 3 years now . That being said this was an extremely informative video concerning the rv dealers .
First time viewer. Subscribed! We have a 2024 Winnebago Vita and absolutely love it. Fridge died in day 3. Our dealer took one out of another unit and replaced it but first, the “rep” started to explain how “they don’t make them”, my hubby lost it. She was talking about putting in the warranty and then coming back for replacement once approved! This dealer prides itself on the fact if you buy from them, have an issue that could keep you from current reservations, you are priority and they will get you in and out for repairs. Safe travels!!
RVs were meant/built to be used 1 or 2 weeks a year and going on a few hundred miles from home. So many videos about all the lies including new, pricey RVs.
I bought a fifth wheel for my truck and I have regrets about it because of my not looking for the right one for where I wanted to go. Backing up, parking on uneven ground, and electrical issues that seem like they (dealers) never really bothered to fix or check it out before delivery. I have since sold it, and bought a travel van that I built myself.🎉.
Rv's are made for profit first with everything else second, and often a distant second. Which is why I self built choosing rudamentary over sophisticated for longevity and easier maintenance because I am doing this for the rest of my life...Im 5 years in so far and you can absolutely expect more repairs than your average home vindicating my choice.
The one thing I learned you buy an expensive RV drive it off a lot and it’s only worth half what you paid for it great video. Lots of great information. Take care. Be careful.
I’ve owned several RVs in my life. Since we retired, we have spent anywhere from 2-4 months in our RVs. Most of them were used, but a couple were new. I learned early on that RVs are “big boxes you throw money at.” You have to factor in repair and maintenance costs. 😊 it’s worth it to us.
This was a very good and informative video. Especially the point of getting your new RV independently inspected BEFORE delivery. UA-cam has quite a few videos of people who’ve bought new RVs and now have a nightmare on their hands. For others out there considering a new RV, watch some videos by Liz Amazing. She has several videos of people who’ve bought new RVs and have had significant problems with those RVs. She points out that RV manufacturers today use lower quality materials than they did pre-COVID. And often times you are better off buying a used RV. She has a video giving her opinion on the best years to buy of various manufacturers. And finally, watch a video from Letho’s Law on RV warranties. It sounds like LetsTurnItUpWorld had a positive warranty experience. But the video for Letho’s Law shows one how manufacturers control warranty claims and how they limit legal action against them if you decide to sue them.
Why do you care? You are crazy 🤪 Lots of people live in their RV's full time so what's it to you? Especially now more than ever in recent years. Please go TF away from comments! 🤡💩
@stevenross6088 Boooooooooo! 👎 No law against it. Who are you to decide for us? Who do you think you are telling people what they shouldn't do? We live in our RV full time with no issues. Take your nap! 🤡💩
Amazing presentation - never negative but telling it like it is. This was so professionally done. You both obviously worked at your presentation. Very informative. Cheers from 🇨🇦
New sub here! Love y'alls rapport and the way your energy vibe is high, even if you are talking potential issues. This is a most needed post, so I hope your views are equal to the great subject matter. Looking forward to joining in your travels post by post.
Thnx 4 this vid. I'M not an RV'r so I watch vicariously thru you guys. Appreciate your candor with these important issues/categories. RV is not designed to be lived in full time & you make it work! Plz keep us informed with any further updates. Love in Sarasota ❤❤❤❤❤❤
117 point inspection by the dealer is NOT adequate .. I insisted that my dealer do a 118 point inspection and he was furious ... but he said "Okay dude, no problem" and i was good to go
Yeah, it's sad how our Country has come to be everyone for himself. And everyone needs a hustle of some kind to make ends meet. Thank you for the heads up. I'm still doing research on the RV life. I'm taking in all I can. Thanks again. I'm going to keep watching. ✌️😊
I grew up traveling in a cab over camper. Family vacations, trips to cut wood etc. preparation is the key. Y’all rocked it. It’s not for everyone, but it definitely creates beautiful memories. Safe journeys and heart felt prayers
You still have to worry about a toilet overflowing you still have to worry about septic systems if you're not on a sewer system so it depends on where you live and how you have to deal with maintenance
WOW! You guys have presented the definitive A-Z video. Your very detailed definitive information is priceless. Thank you for your good work. May GOD bless and keep you! .
This is not a lie, but people need to know about insurance for their campers. We had a used A class RV and we loved it. It was just the right size for the five of us. Your is just too small for me and my husband, it would drive me crazy. I'm glad it works for you. I do miss my camper and I've been trying to get my husband to buy another but in a C class.
Our Class A Diesel RV was constructed during COVID and that was the biggest mistake. It's beautiful, but it was filled with little surprises and this thing cost more than our current home. LOL, thankfully the husband is super handy and was able to fix most mistakes they made in putting it together. We didn't want to rely on the dealership to fix them.
We own a 36’ Class A diesel pusher, that is 11 years old.- our third Class A. We have used it to tour the country. I have put 67,000 miles on it, which isn’t much for the chassis, but very tough on the coach. We have camped in all but three of the lower 48. That’s not full time, but it is substantial RV experience. Everything they say is correct. During the Covid RV boom, a lot of dealerships ( and Campgrounds) were bought by major chains like Camping World, most RV manufacturers, including trailers and fivers, were bought by a single manufacturer- Thor. There’s little incentive for them to do anything but sell new RVs, and newer RVs have produced a ton of quality complaints from experienced RVers, who are usually pretty philosophical about failures, repairs, and maintenance. I would not buy one built after 2019. IMHO
Thank you for covering the cost - and about the fact that it might cost more living in an RV or van. There is more running around in an RV or van - to the store, to the laundromat, to get gas, water, supplies in general. One can stock up on things like TP and food in a sticks and bricks house but can't in an RV. Living full time in a van or RV also means you have to find a place to pick up your mail so you have an address. That's going to cost money. How one is going to make a living is also a problem. Personally, I don't think I'd be able to make it on an SS income in a converted van. So many people out there made it sound like a way to save money, but when I've seen them having to put huge amounts of money on repairs, and see also that they pay the same bills we all do - just to different sources, I think they're fudging on what it costs. I really appreciate you dealing with that misconception.
We use our 4 yr old diesel motorhome about 5 months a year. It costs mucho $$$ just in maintenance. Last year was $7,000 this year so far is $5,000. Nothing broke, just maintenance. Tires are $1000 each. We just bought a B Van as a second RV. So we are a 2 RV family now. I never use any dealer for warranty work, I go to the factory. Excellent tips. Good video.
I was never told that if you wanted to trade in for a different rv, you can’t bump the remaining amount owed after they give a low estimate of the rv value, to the end of a new rv loan. I had no idea of that. I figured it was pretty similar to trading in a car
Trading something in is never as good of a plan as selling the one you have to another third party. I never understood why people trade things in to their financial detriment. Well, I guess the short answer is either lazy or instant gratification.
Thank you for this. We have been disheartened by the price and build quality of the rvs we have looked at, both new and recent. So much so we are thinking about refurbishing an older one. I love the honesty in this video. You have a new subscriber!
Our dealer lied. They may have cleaned it but we had numerous little things that we ended up fixing that showed us they didn’t test everything or even see if the tail lights worked! The fact is… once you’re off the lot you’re on your own. They’ve made the sale and that’s all they care about.😢
Well yeah that’s all anyone selling something cares about, it’s not the people’s fault it’s the shitty system we live in that forces people to be this way for survival it’s fucked up in so many ways, you have to be knowledgeable enough about what your buying that you aren’t dependent on the seller for anything, you need to know so much that essentially you can ask them something, and when they lie, you’ll know the answer anyway, if you don’t know that much about something, don’t fucken buy it
We've been RVing/camping most of our lives & I have worked in the industry. Know what you want before you buy. Don't let anyone convince you that cramped, undersized, underpowered and completely lacking is cute and economical. You can purchase an older RV that is built better with more room and more power for less money then most new RV's. All RV's require repair and maintenance, but you can never fix poor build quality.
Some RV parks have year restrictions, meaning older RVs older than a certain age are refused entrance. Even RVs having had an original six figure price and are impeccably maintained.
@@MyDarkExplorations When making reservations, they will ask for the make, model, and year of the vehicle. I think it's a bad business practice. My parents had a RV park on the Hood Canal (Brinnon, Washington) called Cove Park, this was in the 70's until the mid 90's, the new owners are great. Things sure have changed.
Its been my experience that RV living is nowhere near as expensive as sticks and bricks are...Major RV Repairs are cheaper than Sticks and bricks major repairs..If your good at it living in Campgrounds and for free whenever possible is much cheaper than todays mortgages ....Insurance on the RV is cheaper than home insurance....You dont have a power bill, water bill, garbage bill in an RV like you do sticks and bricks...Eating at your camp is much cheaper than eating out....We try really hard to patronize Corp of Engineer campgrounds for cheap stays...Avg price $20-$35 a nite but half off those prices with an American the beautiful National Parks pass...You can buy them annually or if your old like me ya can buy the senior one for a one time payment of $80 and its good for life...Plus COE campgrounds are almost always near lakes or rivers....Biggest expense i have RVing is gas...Easily solved problem if you think about it...The main drawback is the depreciation of the RV as you mentioned...My way of looking at that is dont buy one if thats your worry....What i would get for my unit if i sold it never has been a concern to date ....
You will never get the equity you get in a real home especially since people are learning the true cost. Today most state parks charge about $35.00. a night and that ends up being more then my morgage on my townhome. The other issue my home has doubled in price in the last 10 years. A 10 years old camper being lived in full time and travelled does not double in value, instead the value goes down. You also have insurance cost and gas cost. Basically this is not a cheap lifestyle. Also people get tired moving all the town. After a year or two every place look the same and all your trip just melt together in your memories where most is forgotten. I ho camping about 7 times a years. I cannot even remember were I went to last year unless I look it up. Then if you camper breaks down I jave heard of people stuck in hotal while they wait week for there van to be fixed. No thanks.
A motor home is not smart. Travel trailers work better. If engine probs come up, u have to look 4 a hotel until repairs r made. With a trailer, you'll have a place 2 stay at an rv park whole ur tow vehicle is fixed. Think about it!!
Have had a winnie fuse since 2018. Spend 4 months a year traveling. Wife and i love it. Problems have been minimal. Biggest anxiety now is getting reservations at campgrounds we want to visit.
I never had brand new rv brand/model but new brand model car and nothing but problems. I do have new RV but not new brand. Dealership told be ware. Driving your rv is like driving your home in constant earthquakes expect problems. We did have certified inspection had found issues-repairs before delivery. Worth the $600. We bought our RV for our retirement fun after working 45 years. We haven’t done long trip after 1 month ownership but we are practicing on long 1 day trips. First overnight in 1 week. Happy Van camping.
I don't have experience with RVs, but the video reminded me of the brand-new houseboat my dad bought when I was a kid. The exit from the marina was basically through a canal with cement walls very close. We had cranked open all the windows, and only after crashing the windows into the sides of the canal several times did we figure out that someone had hooked up the steering wrong (so that steering to the right moved the boat left and vice versa).
Bought my first travel trailer a couple of years ago and have been learning it and loving it. Your channel popped up on my feed today and I found your video sooo true and very informative. Subscribed.
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We asked about having someone inspect our RV . The salesperson said you don't need to do that. We do that here. Big mistake
Isn't the echo more like 176K , and yikes that is expensive . Yours is more like a short term vacation vehicle. I've seen people live in large 5th wheel RV's. you have a house and an apt so that helps being able to get respites.
HUGE LIE for me: I thought that as a CHEMISTRY TEACHER, I could easily use my RV as a portable Meth lab, ....avoid the police, avoid other meth dealers, and make a lot of money.... but I had some things that were breaking bad
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Everyone knows rvs and campers in 2024 are junk. Buy oldera era.
Never, ever tell the dealer or the manufacturer you are living in it full time OR imply you are. It's an easy out for them to void warranties and covered repairs.
There are some that say they are ok for full time living. They need to stick to those.
Thanks for that tip...didn't think you'd have to worry about that.
You’ll also pay more for insurance
Your incorrect. Many rigs...5th or class a is rated my the manufacturer for full time.
Your insurance is more duh. Your living in it and it covers so much more. Even storage sheds.
Camper vans are not rated for full time.
"many RV dealers are booked solid with repair work..." That should be a big red flag.
After covid builds are in the repair shop more it seems...😮
Parts from China take forever to come in🤯
lol, Tell me one rv dealer that isn't? Winnebago is probably the best bet, but even they have a lot of downfalls, hence, there is no perfect RV dealer....however, I wish there was, and if so, don't you think everyone would be going to them?
So are motorcycle dealers? This isn’t true in all cases, rvs are generally seasonal businesses which means certain times of the year are way busier than others.
This causes me to wonder what people are doing to remedy this obvious problem?
After watching this video I would think that less rigid piping would be a top priority. Can PEX be used in an RV both for in / out-bound liquids?
Knowing that literally everything in the RV is gonna be shaking almost constantly while driving, I would want fewer sharp edges, and more flexible joints, as well as the best suspension humanly possible (not airbags per se, but maybe coilovers?)
I always recommend to folks who are interested in an RV to rent one and use it for a week or more to see all the work and costs that are involved before deciding to buy one.
Seriously rent the rv before buying!
Or build one yourself as many people do
That would be nice but that's a down payment on a camper
I delivered RV's for a living let me tell you this. They would often have things like cabinet doors break off, TV's fallen off the brackets, frames on trailers out of square causing tracking issues, but my main issue w the RV industry was this.... We transporters were often told upon delivery 1. Nobody here to sighn off on paper work after we called hours before letting them know a delivery was coming in.
2. Often made to wait hours while inspection was done on the unit ( as if we were the ones that made the dam thing)
3. Gripped at because something was broken accused of using the unit to sleep in while transporting it.
4. Told we couldn't use the restrooms at the dealership.
5. Made to wash the road grime off the unit ( as if it were our fault it got dirty on the way to delivery) bugs and dirt especially winter road grime.
Never buy an RV because if they treat their independent contractors that way then how are you going to be treated after they have your money?
#4 is so terrible!
Used a tent for over 40 years. Never any warranty issues. Never any break down issues. Just a new tent from time to time. 😁
Admirable. I tried tenting for 3 summers, and... nope. 😮🎉
Same 😊
Exactly why I think buying a great van that was meant to be a business van instead of a camper van, and a toyota of the right model and year (which I've forgotten!) and doing a tent camping set up instead is best! No pipes to break, no running water, no grey tank. Excellent! I would still do solar power though.
I hear you, but the knees are gone and the ground got hard.
I already have several tents broken by heavy rain 😂 it's a special fun camping time when all in gets soaked, if you love adventure 😂
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Then why did she steal my car if she's making all this money????? Tell her the cops are looking for her!!!!!
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I’ve lived in my RV 6-9 months a year for the last ten years due to work as an alternative to residing in motels/hotels.
1. Never depend on dealers to take care of your issues. You’ll have to get lodging while they “fix” it with a “don’t call us, we’ll call you when it’s ready attitude”.
2. Have your own tools …. Jack,Jack stands, high power cordless impact to include impact sockets, cordless driver, wrench’s, screw drivers, volt meter, pex tools and various fittings etc.
3. Perform your own maintenance schedules, bearing packing, especially fast wear items like equalizer and leaf spring bushings, ac condenser cleaning, etc. Tip: Wash RV including roof in the rain, provided there’s no lightning. Start at the bottom and wash upwards with the roof last. Soap doesn’t dry while washing and it’s streak free. If you have a streak that remains, use a magic eraser. (Use care on decals) Only needs occasional rinsing while washing.
4. When in transit, don’t be in a hurry. The harder RV hits bumps at high speeds the quicker fasteners holding everything together has a tendency to work loose.
5. Use online resources to order parts needed and can be delivered to an area near you especially Amazon as lockers and UPS stores are everywhere for pickup.
6. Remember…. You’re on your own and no one’s coming to rescue you unless there’s a steep price involved.
Safe travels✌️
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Absolutely great advice! Thank you! 😊
Two issues: you need good garage storage
1) the shell is nowhere near as durable as a regular vehicle, and
2) are vulnerable to insect and rodent intrusion.
I've heard so many horror stories from RV purchasers that I changed my mind about purchasing one. Thank you for posting this video. This will help many people who are looking to purchase an RV. 👏
My wife wanted to get one. She did the research and said HELL NO! I'm so relieved.
But a 10yr old rv. Back when they made them better
Excellent advice to rent first. Money well spent to see how things go. Also gives you a chance to easily pick when and where to go with no pressure.
@@lisacronin9333 buy the van build the van out separately is the wiser path .
It’s not that cut and dry, if you go with a reliable manufacturer then you’ll fare better, an RV isn’t that different to a self built van your first thing you need to focus on Is the engine, does it have a good reputation, are they known for being reliable, are they easy to repair, etc etc etc, some will need fixing constantly, others will go for ever needing very minimal work overall. They are a great purchase but like anything you’ll have maintenance that needs doing, the same way a house requires upkeep to function properly and maintain its value and stay looking nice etc
This video is SPOT ON. We’re in month 4 of ongoing problems with our new $135K Thor Tiburon. I think our dealer did ZERO on the inspection it seemed to me like it was the first time they went in the RV. Every system failed so we had repairs done immediately +1 month waiting. Then we took home the RV - our solar also was not connected to the battery, our awning snapped. Now we’re on month 4 and the Rv is still at the dealership waiting for approvals from Thor, baking in the sun. Great video. Hire your own inspector!!!
I'm sorry to read that, how frustrating and frankly fraudulent because it was not "fit for the intended use."
We have a travel trailer that was much cheaper, and all my research showed to expect repairs on any RV you get, so that scared me to the low end as a first time RVer
Did you do any research about Thor RV’s before you bought it? If you had, you could have saved some bucks and misery. Good luck trying to resell it.
We have a Thor Axis. Will NEVER buy another Thor
I hope that they fixed and your family can enjoy it 🤓
Lesson: Do not buy RV’s. Money pit. Travel and stay in BB, Airbnb or hotels in comfort. You deserve it when you are retired.
Many of our friends bought high end trailers or fifth wheelers and you are telling the truth. One thing you left out is the difficulty of setting up camp in many high end RV's with 50 amp power. It is physically difficult to even plug it in! We opted to buy a "blank" Dodge Ram Pro Van and have it converted to our specifications. When we camp in it, we can put down the 3 piece bench seat, place our two matching Igloo 5 day coolers behind it, and put a Queen size airbed on top of it for sleeping. We cook outside on our Coleman 2 burner camp stove, use campground facilities or our luggable loo, and use public showers. In seven years, we have not had to make any repairs except for a broken windshield or body damage. I'd highly recommend this route.
Agree!
Absolutely! The best RV is one you built yourself.
Sounds pretty much like what I want to do. Plan to move from tent camping to van camping. A nice bed, cooler, Camp stove, water jug, dish pan, fan, and usb puck lights and I’ll be good. My parents RV for months at a time and the cost of gas is out of sight. No thank you. If anything, I’d consider a Solis.
I've heard so many stories of how dishonest RV dealers are. They make car salesmen look down right holy. The industry as a whole is very bad.
You cannot buy a car on a credit card, because of the differing rules of auto contracts from regular sales. But in some states you can buy an RV with a credit card, because RV sales somehow trump that whole concept. And mortgages are only for land and associated properties, but in some states you can buy an RV on a 30 yr mortgage -- despite that it has wheels and a vehicular licence.
They make it extra legal for RV sales to be really shady.
Where do you think they get Rv dealers? Yep ex car dealers.
Why don't you write a letter to Santa about? Of course you know that Santa is lie. Why are you trying to deal with liers? Why do you lie to others with Santa lie?
"Don't cry honey! Of course, you ain't hooker. You are the loyal wife of nameless trinity of the Husband."
But, the whole world is happy with such a "loyalty".
Here is a Christ's question,
Mathew 15: 3: "But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?"
Malachi 2: 1-4: "And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith Jehovah of hosts, then will I send the curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings; yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will rebuke your seed, and will spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your feasts; and ye shall be taken away with it. And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant may be with Levi, saith Jehovah of hosts." (ASV)
A women say "the Husband has no name". Another ones say "the Husband has many names". Some of women "love the Husband in all his manifestations" like: neighbour, taxi driver, coworker, and so forth. Some women in a Husband-fearing way call him "H-D"...
But, all of those prostitutes say "the Husband is the only". Their prostitution has created another women saying "there is no Husband at all".
Then they even talk about "trinity of the Husband" and they are not against "the Son taking the Husband's place".
In the same way religious prostitutes try to hide their disgusting fornication with different gods.
Furthermore, a correct pronunciation of the Name is unknown now. This is the “loyalty” of traitors!
Here is the God's word spoken through Moses,
Deuteronomy 11: 16-17: "Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; And then the LORD's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you."
So, the God says there are other gods, but blind leaders of blind lead people into trap.
Names of an idols/false gods are well known: Zeus, Rempha/Chiun, Aurora, Baal, Moloch and many others.
"Jesus" means "Jehovah is salvation". This is the name of Christ real christians are hated for.
"HalleluJah" means "Praze Jah" (Jehovah).
Psalm 83: 18: "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." (KJV)
The problem is Devil runs the world. He is lier and murderer. This is the reason why liers feel so good while righteous people are persecuted.
That's why we've got the Gospel about the God's kingdom. Jehovah would put everything in order. He has anointed the king, Jesus Christ. The dead will be resurected and we'll meet our beloved ones again! :-)
you can make your own... there are plenty of people who have done so waaaay cheaper and with waaaay better results and quality than those "new" Rv's
@@andressousa9006 WE DID THAT . . many years ago. Converted an every day van into a camper and CROSSED THE UNITED STATES !! Can be done.
Anyone thinking about buying an RV should see this video - spot on. Lies is an understatement - "predatory" would be a better description. The dealer walking away from any repair claims should be reason enough for you to walk away. It's a shame that the RV experience has gotten to where it is today since it can take all of the fun out of the adventure. Lastly, an owner better expect to, and know how to, fix stuff on their own. This alone can save a lot of grief, disappointment and money since things will always be breaking on an RV. Nicely done video.
convert a van yourself !!!! we did and crossed the United States.
For most, buying an RV is like buying a boat. Expensive to maintain and it will rarely be used enough to justify it.
Rent as needed for long trips.
@@allanfifield8256 I looked into renting an R.V. once. It was expensive on top of cost of fueling it. At that point I figured I'll just take a conventional vacation.
@@bubbalo3388 Good point.
@@bubbalo3388so did i. They wanted about $500 a night. Factor in gas and campsite fees and i would be flying to Nice and staying in the Negresco.
Best two days of boat ownership: the day you buy it and the day you sell it. Is this the same with an RV?
I was all set to sign the papers for an RV at the dealership when they suddenly hiked the price by 5% after I told them I wanted to pay in cash instead of financing. I ended up walking away from the deal in the end -- apparently they make a pretty hefty commission off the lender.
Why not take the loan and then just pay it off?
@TnavresGaming I think they add finacing fees and demand extra kinds of insurances. It will cost more even if you try to pay it off early to eascape the interest payment. Some loans even punish people for paying them off early with other kinds of fees. I don't know if that was applicable here, but it's a thing.
@@britaeirikr8609 Too true about that being a thing -I paid a credit card off then they turned around and said 'we're going to drop your credit amount from say $500 down to $100.' All because I paid it off. I had made several monthly payments so I did incur interest fees, but all of it was paid. So I cut the card up, threw it in the trash.
@@britaeirikr8609Correct!
@TnavresGaming depending on the contract, you can be penalized for paying the loan off early
I have a friend who buys old Prevost RV’s and refurbishes them. We met him at a campground one time while he was staying in one of his RV’s. At one point, he paused and said, “listen!”…….”do you hear that?”………”something is breaking in my RV”
🤣 damn it !!
Damn dats wild😂😂
I have owned 6 RVs. I am so glad you did this video. Every single transaction has been a nightmare. Each one ended up in an arguement with the dealership. My last RV was a truck camper. I gave them my pickup truck, they sent it to a spring shop to upgrade the suspension. After delivery, I drove it to the spring shop. The owner came out, offered me a ride home telling me "I am unable to let you leave my business. I am liable for the incorrect setup of your suspension and the RV."
He called the manager of the RV business who in turn called the Lance RV manufacturer. Between Lance and the RV Dealer, they paid to have my suspension, tires and rims upgraded to handle the weight of the Truck Camper. Needless to say, I was done with that dealership and have also told family and friends to NEVER go to them.
Now Lance, they did everything right and even supported the RV out of warranty when a manufacturer defect occured (very minor defect), but still, a reputable company when I dealth with them.
Can I ask which Lance model truck camper you had / have?
Lance is one of the few manufacturers that still had a decent reputation as far as how they were made. What was your experience with your camper unit?
didn't learn your lesson the first 5 times huh?
@@000distructzero It was a Lance 855s, I had no issues with the camper. It was all the dealership
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Great info! Back in 2019 our family of 5 lost our home of 14yrs. Basically we were homeless. Stayed in some motels, friends house, etc. Bought an old 1984 Honey with the cash we had saved and lived in that for 3.5yrs. With the number of folks losing homes, and resorting to the rv living it became very challenging at times to find a campground. My husband and son both worked locally so we were limited to a 20 mile radius. Between storage cost for our household items, gas and the ever rising cost of campsites, we were paying out on average $1400 a month to live cramped in an old rv. Not to mention the stress of moving it and praying we wouldn’t break down!
Also many people don’t realize that if your rig is older than 10yrs, some rv parks will not allow you to stay longer than a 10day period on average. Even if it was a half million dollar 20yo rig.
Should have sold your household items instead of paying for storage. Nobody wins that game. The cost outweighs to value of the items in minutes.
@@oakmaiden2133Storage is such a rip. But.. sometimes you have no other choice if you want to keep what you’ve invested in.
@@oakmaiden2133 yeah I agree, hindsight is 20/20
@@EYES2seeEARS2hear78 Why did you lose your house in 2019 if you were all working ?
@@sarahann530usually bad money management. Making payments on a house for 14 years only to lose it means they were likely in a house that cost too much for them to handle the mortgage or they were wasting disposable income that could have been put toward paying off the mortgage. We stayed in our 250k home even after we were easily able to buy a house 5 times as much. Why? Because we retired at 50 and saved enough to live the rest of our lives without having to return to work. That little 250k home will soon be worth 1 mil. I’m not bragging, just saying that we never overspent. That the issue. Regardless of income for most ppl.
Thank you! I've been researching RV life and after all the "glamorous " videos, YOU are the first that was REALISTIC! THANK YOU!
2.5 years in a 100, 000 -29 foot motorhome. Bought it new. Always breaking down, hard to get in for repairs. Wasnt comfortable, glad I sold it.
I never buy a brand new camper.I purchase a RV that is around 3 years old, because the problems have been fixed by the person who purchased it brand new,
Sounds like a good idea
Or maybe they sold it because they are just tired of repairing it.
@@SourStrawberrys exactly. Not everyone cares about things the way you would yourself. So many ways to hide things in an rv
Can't go by that logic now. Covid supply shortage, and high demand put lots of garbage on the road. I would stay away from 2020 through 2024
Or you could end up with someone else's out of warranty nightmare
My parents bought a brand new RV, it was $120k, in August 21. My dad promptly hit a large rock at the exit of the dealership since he wasn’t used to the turn radius. He had to leave the RV at the dealership for repairs. Didn’t get it back until October.
Did your mom kill him for that?
That’s a rather conveniently-placed rock for the dealership…
With automobiles if after the purchase you don’t leave the dealers lot you can back out of the transaction with no penalty. I had that experience with I bought a used van in Flagstaff and did not drive it home because my wife won’t drive on Interstate Highways to get back to Phoenix. Dealer offered for free to drive it to our home, which I declined. That night I had second thoughts and called the next day. They wanted to know why and how they could address the issue, but I wanted to check with some local dealerships later that week agonizing over my signing the sales agreement and writing a check for the full price. It was at a local dealership that I learned that because I did not drive the vehicle off the lot they could not deposit my check and I could walk away from the agreement, not the case once you drive off the lot. Maybe just an AZ thing?
OCTOBER that is absurd they definitely just rinsed him and played him, there’s no way such a simple repair took that long omg
@@acptpf yes: check for your state . . . some states once you sign the papers, drive off or still there, it is a done deal.
I ran a Auto Repair shop here in Central Cali. 13 miles away from i5. I have installed a lot of Engines in RV's. At that time the Bill ran around $3500-$4000 on average for a new long block with a 3 year 30,000 warranty. Now ? I shudder to think. This was in the early 2000's. Friends have had some nitemare experiences buying new RV's. In all cases the Dealer wants to get your money, wash their hands of you and IT, or BUMPER Warranty, which is when your Bumper passes from their lot to the road you are on your own. A Couple that we are friends bought a new RV and paid 145K. Got 30 miles away from the dealership and it died. It was a Ford Chassis and Ford would not fix it and the RV dealer would not fix it. They went back and forth with them for 6 months until they hired a Lawyer and finally got their money refunded.
I can provide some additional scope.
Allegro RV, Ford 7.5L long block R+R was 11,397.78 with 4k of that being labor.
Most common folks aren't really going to realize that pulling a pack out of an RV is often 4x as difficult as taking the cab off a diesel pickup to do a long block. It's closer to pulling an engine out of a late 70's - mid 80s full size van, and even those are easier.
Ford is 100% crap! I'd never own or buy a Ford anything! I've read more horror stories about ford then any other RV combined, but the other RVs still failed though.
@@tpkyterooluebeck9224 Ford doesn't build RVs, RV manufacturers buy Ford products to build RVs. Just like they buy Bosch, GE, Weyerhauser, and 3M products too.
Or for the flip side of it, Ford cars may be assembled by Ford, but they aren't all in-house parts like when the company was founded. So while you may be driving a Chevy / Ford / Dodge / Toyota / Subaru / ect. hood badge down the road, most all of those brands are driving Bosch or Borg Warner down the road too.
@@nunyabidness674 Toyota vans of specific models have stood the test of time. Dodge is crap. The problem is that the product used to build the vehicle is what matters, and if the product is bad, then the results will still be bad.
@@tpkyterooluebeck9224 Toyota still gets their mini-bulbs from Bosch / Sylvania, and window switches from Borg Warner / Nippo-Denso (Depending on country)
Other components are universal too. O2 sensors for example.
I bought a 1997 van and seven years later of living in it full time still going strong.
What brand?
@@beautifulrose8619 Dodge Ram
Things were simple..and better made stronger back then
and you time jumped 20 years into the future to tell social media? 😊
(forgive me 🙏🏻 … just an attempt at silly humor)
I have a $150,000 rv. I am fixing things constantly Sinks leaks because the manufacturer didn't put gaskets. I've had sliding doors fall off, a slide jam, etc.
Next time by expedition vehicles...they do not break so easy...the cost start from 250k to 2 mil...why because they use yacht technology plus they are build to last.
This has to be the best videos on buying/owning an RV I have every seen. I have lived all 9 examples owning an RV. We have had 3 RV's. A used Class C and A. In 2003 we bought a brand new $136,000 Pace Arrow. Learned a lot the hard way. Warranty work was a challenge as the closest repair shop was a 2.5 hour drive and we had to leave it every time for days. We sold the unit four years ago. Now we go on 3-4 nice vacations each year for less money that it cost to own the RV. We did enjoy some great trips around the South. I look forward to following you two on your travels.
Wow, that’s why I like watching Tonya and Dave .they are so honest and it helped me make a decision on going full-time now. I have three dogs. My husband was like it’s a lot, babe. I’m glad we didn’t make that move.
Wish I had seen this 8 months ago! Our Thor Miramar was on the lot for 9 months. We didn't know (and neither did the dealership) that the roof had to be sealed/resealed every 90 days. Leaks, inside rust, wall paper peeling off, etc. We figured that brand new RV from the lot wouldn't need an inspection. Boy! We were wrong!
After only 90 days!? 🤯
@@BlissfullyBearFoot we were told by Thor that it was part of the owners manual, last page. That's when I did the download and found it. SMH
@@adinalev4405 Mind boggling!!! Makes you wonder & think twice before buying a 20 year old camper!! lol
And, your $200k trailer has all the same components and suppliers as that $20k trailer, so choose wisely
And the guys fired from the last job get hired again in a new place.
Back in the day we used to say all rv assembly personnel are blind and stupid. My rv came with the toilet DISCONNECTED from the black tank. They just forgot to connect it, so for weeks and weeks...too gross to say.
@@d.ridley5218 🤢🤢🤢
When I was looking for work, there was ALWAYS this RV company locally hiring. For $16/hr in a stupidly expensive area. So the people making your home have high turnover and make $16/hr.
@@d.ridley5218 I would never use my RV toilet for number 2 bro... go find a public restroom
You two did a great job. Well done. We have had ours now almost 8 years. Clubs have made a big difference on how often we use it and we’re a great way to meet new folks. When we bought ours were spent a few hours in models we were thinking about. Just sitting in there makes a difference on how well the layout feels and works for you. Stand in the shower, sit on the thrown, lay on the bed. This quickly eliminated models that were great on paper, but did not pass the sit test. One model we found I couldn’t even move in the shower. That would have been bad. Another we felt like we were sitting in a cave when we were on the sofa. Give em a test sit, and not for 5 minutes!
YES
My daughter bought a newFifth Wheel back in 2021, the shake down brought Out a couple of issues but she drove it south to Florida where she was able to find a place privately owned with 10 acres of land where others also lived. She has a beautiful place to park without being on top of another trailer. For $500 a month she has 💦 electricity ⚡️ and sewer. She sold her truck 🛻 and got a 🚗 new. There’s been issues with the awning and frig but for the most part it has been working out for her.
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Sandra, I didn't even know there was such a thing as that. Is it advertised or does it work by word of mouth?
@@phoenixaz8431 it is privately owned and you have to be referred by someone. They are full now as anyone who moves there stays.
I bought an rv class A about three years ago. I hired my own inspector and had the new rv inspected. News flash!!! He did not even see or discover a fresh water tank leak. I discovered that on my first drive from the dealer to my house. I was treated well by the dealer and the warranty.
Pro-Tip: learn as much as possible about rvs and do your own inspections!
We took your advice and rented a couple of different RVs for long weekends and decided owning was not for us! We'll continue to rent when the urge strikes.
Where do you rent? From what I've seen, there are crazy fees attached to these rentals that it jacks up to price to ridiculous levels.
2017 we bought a new 24 ft Rev B+- but lighter weight equaled weaker systems. I became good at identifying warranty, talking with Dynamax, then getting repairs. Fast forward- sold at peak of market and later bought excellent condition 2005 Bigfoot; known for solid build & 4 season. Our expectations changed- I do most repairs (leds, stairs motor, oil changes) and we started bookdocking more. Expectations + realistic = Happy owner, and you know how to have fun even when things go wrong.
You guys heroes. We always road-tripping in our full size sedan and dream at least once to rent the RV for few days. But since we have no clue about RV, how to drive and use it - this always remains dream.
Thanks guys for being so forward and honest, we are not owners of an RV, but It is so nice to know about these things before you buy. Love your videos !!
New subscriber here. I have been living in my 35 year old RV for 5 years and understand what you mean. The extremely expensive RV Dometic or Norcold refrigerators are NOT meant for full time use. I have replaced mine with a houseboat refrigerator losing the propane capability. The water heater is NOT meant for full time and I've replaced mine with a on demand water heater. The rooftop A/C and heat unit is not meant for full time so I use a portable unit. The stock toilet and shower are not meant for full time so I replaced mine with a porcelain toilet and mainly use outside solar showers with a shower tent and earth friendly soaps.
Tires, brakes, AC, and generators need repair and replacement all the time 😡
Those Onan gens seem to be very problematic.
My husband and I only buy used RV's. We just bought our last one in February and we have spent about 2000 to fix things. We knew this from previous experience and paid accordingly. We try so hard to keep our rigs in great shape but not everyone does. I hope this is the last one!
This is a great video, What kills me …is if you spent this kind of money on a car would you be treated this way…no….keep up the quality content :)
Buying a new car comes with it's own issues, they steal the parts off your car for someone else's car, and now it takes two weeks to get your car in the shop and another month to get the part.
As a fan from Ireland 🇮🇪 I’m loving the Claddagh T - Shirt.
I have always bought 10 year old RV's because they depreciate so much many are not even used much sit on a side of a home, or even better stored in an RV storage under a cover.
You are so right. RVs are not to meant to live in full time. One RV tech person on YT said that if you live full time in your RV one year is equivalent to 7 years wear and tear in your sticks and bricks home. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on an RV, things will break down and will need repair. We are looking to upgrade to a class C and we are considering getting a used one from Cruise America where we will have inspected prior to buying. We don’t want to spend $100,000 on a vehicle we only use part time, 2 months max per year for right now, until we retire.
Buying a cruise America is definitely the right move because they are actually the only RVs that are over. Cruise America knows renters have no clue what they're doing and will ride it hard so they actually build them to last.
That’s why I bought me a used 2022 dodge ram promaster and built it myself.. paid $26,000 bucks with 76,000 miles.. Spent 3,600 on building materials.including lithium batteries , labor costs.. $0.00
WE DID TOO
My father would start his generator every month to keep the parts oiled, but when they went camping the generator wouldn't run the ac, refrigerator etc. He took it to the mechanic who told him during the monthly start up to run the ac to give the generator something to do. I still have his 84 motorhome and the generator works flawlessly.
Yes. Don't just start it but put some load on it (A/C or microwave).
I absolutely love how y'all tag team on the informative videos.The way y'all pass the ball is impressive.❤💪🏾🙏🏾
We just purchased our 3rd RV in July. We downsized from a Super C to a Winnebago View.
We use it mostly for driving point A to B or quick visits to family or weekends. This last purchase our dealer required us to sign a document acknowledging that we were NOT living in full time.
Which we don’t. But this was a first for us
I bought my Tellaro van this past April, and the mount for one of the access panels failed. Poor design that I have found a better fix for, and I have found some other minor quality issues. I do plan to live in it full time, so thank you for the helpful info.
Out of the first year my Winnebago was in the shop over 7 months waiting for parts. I asked to have an extension on my 12 month warranty. Nope.
I'm always been afraid of getting into a very expensive, RV Payment, So I'm into my second older RV my first one was a 1996 Minni winni class c and I had it from 2005 to 2010 and I say ( I ) cause I'm the most unfortunate person that doesn't have an rv partner that drives I'm 64 and I have to do all the driving all the time and after a long day of driving I'm super tired and I can't enjoy anything, So in 2019 I bought a 1998 class c jamboree hoping she would help me drive, boy was I wrong, I've been upgrading it keeping it up to date, I paid 8K and I do most of my own work on it, I replaced the upper and lower ball joints and any worn out steering linkage I had the back breaks i did the front brakes and good thing I did it cause one of the rotors was cracked, I replaced the upper and lower radiator hose's plus the water pump just for maintenance flushed all the fluids and top them off replaced the differential oil cause it looked like tar , My son and I brought down the generator and replaced the starter and the old and rusty muffler, Did all the maintenance on it also, I replaced the inverter and the 2 6 volts batteries, replaced the water pump and installed an expansion Tank for better water pressure I installed a 100 watt solar panel just to keep the batteries charged, I had the tires replaced and the wheels are now all aluminum i replaced the 2 door mirrors with the bigger and better and last but not least I plan to put in a Queen size Happijac electric bed lift cause it's only a 23 footer and I want a bigger bed to sleep on besides the sofa bed and or The table bed.
I like you two! I have no interest in RVs in that price range, don't know why you popped up in my stream but very glad to have stumbled upon you. I'll be diving into your vids & checking it all out.
Great video. We bought a hi end travel trailor and have lived in it in one spot(lucked out) for 8 yrs now. As things break. Expert repair people have said. These things are made for pleasure short term and as things fall apart. You are told they want them next to impossible to fix so you buy a new one.
Absolutely everything you are saying is true! We owned two others rv’s but the big wake up call was when we bought a brand new over $100,000 class C. It was a nightmare from the first trip and it took months to fix a slide. I was out of my mind with worry the whole time. I will never buy a new Rv and want something with some miles and years on it. I appreciate your honesty!!
If you buy something older, many RV parks won't let you in.
@@angela-ti1npI'm new to all this. Could you please define older in this context?
@@BlackWidow00741 Some RV parks won't let in RVs that are more than 10 or 15 years old.
@@angela-ti1np I recently watched a video that said that less than 10% of the campgrounds do this. State and Federal parks do not refuse older campers. I prefer to stay in state parks anyway because of my lifetime America the Beautiful card 50% off discount. My motorhome is 18 years old and has less than 40k on the odometer. I haven't had an issue yet. The high end resort style campgrounds are the ones that tend to have this rule and I really don't want to pay those prices. And, assuming your rig is in great shape, all you normally have to do is send them a picture and they will let you make the reservation if you're willing to pay over a $100 per night.
There are very few that the age limit is absolute. Most use it to exclude run down RVs. We have all seen them window a/c, plywood window coverings, etc.
Excellent video. Thanks! Never thought to hire an inspector to buy a new RV. Another tip for your viewers is not to rush the process and to make certain that all systems are shown to you; bring a notebook and take notes! Finding the sweet spot between talking yourself out of trying something new and bold... and rushing in. Ah yes. These YT videos really help. Godspeed!
Bring a camera. Take pictures or record videos.
I can’t speak for everyone but I’ve saved about $1200 per month living in my cheap van build . Van cost me $65000 for the van $20000 for the build been good for 3 years now . That being said this was an extremely informative video concerning the rv dealers .
Thanks so much Paul for sharing, that is very helpful!
Your van is likely built better with higher grade materials.
First time viewer. Subscribed!
We have a 2024 Winnebago Vita and absolutely love it. Fridge died in day 3. Our dealer took one out of another unit and replaced it but first, the “rep” started to explain how “they don’t make them”, my hubby lost it. She was talking about putting in the warranty and then coming back for replacement once approved! This dealer prides itself on the fact if you buy from them, have an issue that could keep you from current reservations, you are priority and they will get you in and out for repairs.
Safe travels!!
GREAT TO HERE JUST NO LONGER THE NORM
RVs were meant/built to be used 1 or 2 weeks a year and going on a few hundred miles from home. So many videos about all the lies including new, pricey RVs.
Over 100k for 1 to 2 weeks a year?!?! Are you serious?!
I bought a fifth wheel for my truck and I have regrets about it because of my not looking for the right one for where I wanted to go. Backing up, parking on uneven ground, and electrical issues that seem like they (dealers) never really bothered to fix or check it out before delivery. I have since sold it, and bought a travel van that I built myself.🎉.
Rv's are made for profit first with everything else second, and often a distant second. Which is why I self built choosing rudamentary over sophisticated for longevity and easier maintenance because I am doing this for the rest of my life...Im 5 years in so far and you can absolutely expect more repairs than your average home vindicating my choice.
The one thing I learned you buy an expensive RV drive it off a lot and it’s only worth half what you paid for it great video. Lots of great information. Take care. Be careful.
I’ve owned several RVs in my life. Since we retired, we have spent anywhere from 2-4 months in our RVs. Most of them were used, but a couple were new. I learned early on that RVs are “big boxes you throw money at.” You have to factor in repair and maintenance costs. 😊 it’s worth it to us.
This was a very good and informative video. Especially the point of getting your new RV independently inspected BEFORE delivery. UA-cam has quite a few videos of people who’ve bought new RVs and now have a nightmare on their hands. For others out there considering a new RV, watch some videos by Liz Amazing. She has several videos of people who’ve bought new RVs and have had significant problems with those RVs. She points out that RV manufacturers today use lower quality materials than they did pre-COVID. And often times you are better off buying a used RV. She has a video giving her opinion on the best years to buy of various manufacturers. And finally, watch a video from Letho’s Law on RV warranties. It sounds like LetsTurnItUpWorld had a positive warranty experience. But the video for Letho’s Law shows one how manufacturers control warranty claims and how they limit legal action against them if you decide to sue them.
I just found your channel and this was the information I've been looking for. THANK YOU SO MUCH
Rv’s are not designed to be lived in, period. Former dealer and former manufacturer advice. They are for vacationing.
Why do you care?
You are crazy 🤪
Lots of people live in their RV's full time so what's it to you?
Especially now more than ever in recent years.
Please go TF away from comments! 🤡💩
@stevenross6088
Boooooooooo! 👎
No law against it.
Who are you to decide for us?
Who do you think you are telling people what they shouldn't do?
We live in our RV full time with no issues.
Take your nap! 🤡💩
Amazing presentation - never negative but telling it like it is. This was so professionally done. You both obviously worked at your presentation. Very informative. Cheers from 🇨🇦
New sub here! Love y'alls rapport and the way your energy vibe is high, even if you are talking potential issues.
This is a most needed post, so I hope your views are equal to the great subject matter.
Looking forward to joining in your travels post by post.
Thnx 4 this vid. I'M not an RV'r so I watch vicariously thru you guys. Appreciate your candor with these important issues/categories. RV is not designed to be lived in full time & you make it work! Plz keep us informed with any further updates. Love in Sarasota ❤❤❤❤❤❤
117 point inspection by the dealer is NOT adequate .. I insisted that my dealer do a 118 point inspection and he was furious ... but he said "Okay dude, no problem" and i was good to go
😂😂😂 but this one goes to 11
Wait, what? I got The 118 Point Inspection but I had to say supersize it and they charged me 😐
Main thing I love the most is transparency! Awaiting the video after commercials.
Yeah, it's sad how our Country has come to be everyone for himself. And everyone needs a hustle of some kind to make ends meet. Thank you for the heads up. I'm still doing research on the RV life. I'm taking in all I can. Thanks again. I'm going to keep watching. ✌️😊
Funny, that’s how our country started…. Now you are sad about it..
It's good to be independent and take care of yourself. Unless you are a child, time to grow up.
I grew up traveling in a cab over camper. Family vacations, trips to cut wood etc. preparation is the key. Y’all rocked it. It’s not for everyone, but it definitely creates beautiful memories. Safe journeys and heart felt prayers
Saw a report that taking sea cruises is cheapest way to live, Personally, you wont catch me on one of those floating petri dishes.
You guys are so charming and honest. I was drawn in as soon as the video started!
You still have to worry about a toilet overflowing you still have to worry about septic systems if you're not on a sewer system so it depends on where you live and how you have to deal with maintenance
WOW! You guys have presented the definitive A-Z video. Your very detailed definitive information is priceless. Thank you for your good work. May GOD bless and keep you! .
Thanks so much Mark, we really appreciate it!
This is not a lie, but people need to know about insurance for their campers. We had a used A class RV and we loved it. It was just the right size for the five of us. Your is just too small for me and my husband, it would drive me crazy. I'm glad it works for you. I do miss my camper and I've been trying to get my husband to buy another but in a C class.
Our Class A Diesel RV was constructed during COVID and that was the biggest mistake. It's beautiful, but it was filled with little surprises and this thing cost more than our current home. LOL, thankfully the husband is super handy and was able to fix most mistakes they made in putting it together. We didn't want to rely on the dealership to fix them.
We own a 36’ Class A diesel pusher, that is 11 years old.- our third Class A. We have used it to tour the country. I have put 67,000 miles on it, which isn’t much for the chassis, but very tough on the coach. We have camped in all but three of the lower 48. That’s not full time, but it is substantial RV experience. Everything they say is correct. During the Covid RV boom, a lot of dealerships ( and Campgrounds) were bought by major chains like Camping World, most RV manufacturers, including trailers and fivers, were bought by a single manufacturer- Thor. There’s little incentive for them to do anything but sell new RVs, and newer RVs have produced a ton of quality complaints from experienced RVers, who are usually pretty philosophical about failures, repairs, and maintenance. I would not buy one built after 2019. IMHO
You two have the most calming voices. I am not an RV/camping person. I am not a Vegas person(hate it). But I love listening to you two
Thank you for covering the cost - and about the fact that it might cost more living in an RV or van. There is more running around in an RV or van - to the store, to the laundromat, to get gas, water, supplies in general. One can stock up on things like TP and food in a sticks and bricks house but can't in an RV. Living full time in a van or RV also means you have to find a place to pick up your mail so you have an address. That's going to cost money. How one is going to make a living is also a problem. Personally, I don't think I'd be able to make it on an SS income in a converted van. So many people out there made it sound like a way to save money, but when I've seen them having to put huge amounts of money on repairs, and see also that they pay the same bills we all do - just to different sources, I think they're fudging on what it costs. I really appreciate you dealing with that misconception.
We use our 4 yr old diesel motorhome about 5 months a year. It costs mucho $$$ just in maintenance. Last year was $7,000 this year so far is $5,000. Nothing broke, just maintenance. Tires are $1000 each.
We just bought a B Van as a second RV. So we are a 2 RV family now.
I never use any dealer for warranty work, I go to the factory.
Excellent tips.
Good video.
The inspection is confidential and the results are ‘top secret’ 😂😂😂
That flag is not only red but there's fireworks going off.
@@bethyeary8995😅
We bought a shorty bus for 3k at auction and converted it to a camper for 2k. We were set on the GM 5.7 gas engine for its cheap reliability
I was never told that if you wanted to trade in for a different rv, you can’t bump the remaining amount owed after they give a low estimate of the rv value, to the end of a new rv loan. I had no idea of that. I figured it was pretty similar to trading in a car
Trading something in is never as good of a plan as selling the one you have to another third party. I never understood why people trade things in to their financial detriment. Well, I guess the short answer is either lazy or instant gratification.
New rv. Needed a new fridge, needed to replace the awning.
And dealer service centers have NO idea that they are doing. I only trust Dave.
I just bought my used RV last week. It's been a slight headache . Thank you for putting humor to this situation.
As I always say, expect the unexpected. And bring lots of tools and tape.
Thank you for this. We have been disheartened by the price and build quality of the rvs we have looked at, both new and recent. So much so we are thinking about refurbishing an older one. I love the honesty in this video. You have a new subscriber!
Our dealer lied. They may have cleaned it but we had numerous little things that we ended up fixing that showed us they didn’t test everything or even see if the tail lights worked! The fact is… once you’re off the lot you’re on your own. They’ve made the sale and that’s all they care about.😢
Well yeah that’s all anyone selling something cares about, it’s not the people’s fault it’s the shitty system we live in that forces people to be this way for survival it’s fucked up in so many ways, you have to be knowledgeable enough about what your buying that you aren’t dependent on the seller for anything, you need to know so much that essentially you can ask them something, and when they lie, you’ll know the answer anyway, if you don’t know that much about something, don’t fucken buy it
Thank you for this advice! I would have made a huge mistake...
We've been RVing/camping most of our lives & I have worked in the industry.
Know what you want before you buy.
Don't let anyone convince you that cramped, undersized, underpowered and completely lacking is cute and economical.
You can purchase an older RV that is built better with more room and more power for less money then most new RV's.
All RV's require repair and maintenance, but you can never fix poor build quality.
Some RV parks have year restrictions, meaning older RVs older than a certain age are refused entrance. Even RVs having had an original six figure price and are impeccably maintained.
@cherylmillard2067 We have a 2006 that looks new and never have been questioned by any resort. In reality dry camping is the only way to really camp.
@@MyDarkExplorations When making reservations, they will ask for the make, model, and year of the vehicle. I think it's a bad business practice.
My parents had a RV park on the Hood Canal (Brinnon, Washington) called Cove Park, this was in the 70's until the mid 90's, the new owners are great. Things sure have changed.
"you can never fix poor build quality" - sage advice.
Love your presentation! Clear, honest, humble, and succinct.👏🏻 Well done!
Its been my experience that RV living is nowhere near as expensive as sticks and bricks are...Major RV Repairs are cheaper than Sticks and bricks major repairs..If your good at it living in Campgrounds and for free whenever possible is much cheaper than todays mortgages ....Insurance on the RV is cheaper than home insurance....You dont have a power bill, water bill, garbage bill in an RV like you do sticks and bricks...Eating at your camp is much cheaper than eating out....We try really hard to patronize Corp of Engineer campgrounds for cheap stays...Avg price $20-$35 a nite but half off those prices with an American the beautiful National Parks pass...You can buy them annually or if your old like me ya can buy the senior one for a one time payment of $80 and its good for life...Plus COE campgrounds are almost always near lakes or rivers....Biggest expense i have RVing is gas...Easily solved problem if you think about it...The main drawback is the depreciation of the RV as you mentioned...My way of looking at that is dont buy one if thats your worry....What i would get for my unit if i sold it never has been a concern to date ....
You will never get the equity you get in a real home especially since people are learning the true cost. Today most state parks charge about $35.00. a night and that ends up being more then my morgage on my townhome. The other issue my home has doubled in price in the last 10 years. A 10 years old camper being lived in full time and travelled does not double in value, instead the value goes down. You also have insurance cost and gas cost. Basically this is not a cheap lifestyle. Also people get tired moving all the town. After a year or two every place look the same and all your trip just melt together in your memories where most is forgotten. I ho camping about 7 times a years. I cannot even remember were I went to last year unless I look it up. Then if you camper breaks down I jave heard of people stuck in hotal while they wait week for there van to be fixed. No thanks.
A motor home is not smart. Travel trailers work better. If engine probs come up, u have to look 4 a hotel until repairs r made. With a trailer, you'll have a place 2 stay at an rv park whole ur tow vehicle is fixed. Think about it!!
Have had a winnie fuse since 2018. Spend 4 months a year traveling. Wife and i love it. Problems have been minimal. Biggest anxiety now is getting reservations at campgrounds we want to visit.
I never had brand new rv brand/model but new brand model car and nothing but problems. I do have new RV but not new brand. Dealership told be ware. Driving your rv is like driving your home in constant earthquakes expect problems. We did have certified inspection had found issues-repairs before delivery. Worth the $600. We bought our RV for our retirement fun after working 45 years. We haven’t done long trip after 1 month ownership but we are practicing on long 1 day trips. First overnight in 1 week. Happy Van camping.
I don't have experience with RVs, but the video reminded me of the brand-new houseboat my dad bought when I was a kid. The exit from the marina was basically through a canal with cement walls very close. We had cranked open all the windows, and only after crashing the windows into the sides of the canal several times did we figure out that someone had hooked up the steering wrong (so that steering to the right moved the boat left and vice versa).
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Bought my first travel trailer a couple of years ago and have been learning it and loving it. Your channel popped up on my feed today and I found your video sooo true and very informative.
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In 2020, 2021 & 2022 vehicles were slapped together with garbage due to lack of supplies and lack of workers. - I suspected in 2020 there was going to be a lot of problems with many vehicles manufactured during those time frames. Many people do not know or realize this or even think of this.
This is great info and makes total sense....I'll make sure to steer clear of those years.....probably get a 2015-2019.