Where is the best place to buy a 59K? Website or face to face? And what is the price point I should be looking for with a 2022 or 2023? Is there a big diff between 2022 and 2023?
@@chrishamilton1189 there are two chassis for 2023. The easiest way to tell them apart is the newer 2023s have a different wheel with some black on it as I recall where the older chassis has an all silver wheel. I was shopping a few months ago and the newer chassis wasn’t discounted as much as the older chassis. Considering how hard it is to get service I’d try and find a dealer that is within a reasonable distance of where you live. Seems like the dealers on the west coast were discounting more than dealers in the southeast. The dealers pay nearly the same for the units it’s just a matter of being patient and making a local dealer be competitive with offers you solicit online. Good luck. I love our 2020.5 59K.
@@chrishamilton1189just make sure it's the new generation of travato on the 9 speed ram promaster chassis with electronic steering. They are on pare with their competitors now.
I love watching you guys! You both are so easygoing, give great honest reviews, and throw in the price as well! The Travato is my favorite van! I go and visit it at the RV dealership, hoping they will feel sorry for this single lady and hand one over!! Lol! Thanks guys!
I bought my Travato K back in 2018, I absolutely love it, has the 2800 W generator. I put 300 W of solar on the roof upgraded to a MPPT charge controller, put two 100 AH lithium batteries on it. The AC has some trouble keeping it cool inside here in Phoenix in the summer, but if I park in the shade, it helps a lot. I would not trade it for any other floor plan.
Hey guys, love your videos! Although I’ve cooled off on the RV idea, it lurks in my head and I enjoy the info. The Winnebago’s floor plan is quite good, I like the center beds and rear bath. I’d encourage you to consider Embassy…the owners seem super happy, you don’t see them sold used (the owners hang on to them), and you can choose a RAM or Ford chassis (Bob I know you like the Benz but they’re way more $ to maintain and repair). The Travato will be a more affordable price point most likely. Enjoy the chase!!!
Found it interesting you liked the Travato K so much, we have a 2022 but it's a KL so we have Lithium. If you can afford the L model, it's totally worth it in our opinion. We got ours in Sept 2021 and we have 22K miles now, with not many issues. The price on this non lithium at 127 is also interesting, we paid 125 for our Lithium so they've gone up quick for sure. We don't stay in one place very long usually, so we can take advantage of the fact ours charges while we drive. We haven't plugged in for shore power anywhere in over a year. My wife and I differ on the bed from her thoughts, we tried the twins one night and we both found it hard to rest well concerned about rolling over and falling on the floor. The VERY best aspect of the K model for us is the larger bed once you convert it, which is a quick easy process. It's larger than a queen for sure, not much smaller than a King. My wife is small and still felt the twin wasn't for her. One important note: Many owners seem to love the dual pane windows. Ours was to have them as well, but we would have incurred an unknown delay, even prior to big supply chain issues. We now love our sliders and very happy as numerous owners have had issues with dual pane. Windows falling out is the main culprit but other problems as well. Many owners have broken windows as they open their sliding door into an awning window that's open. They can also be scratched easily while cleaning. We also believe the insulation factor is over-rated as well, but we haven't done a scientific study. We just have learned to control temps somewhat with use of reflectix or other materials. She didn't mention it in the vid, but the bath in the back is great for another reason. Weather permitting, you can shower outside with a privacy curtain secured between the doors. I've showered outside nearly every time, maybe once inside. There's a quick connect hose in the back you can use to shower but I use the main shower head which reaches outside easily. Finally the 6 speed transmission, think it's 9 now which seems like overkill, is very helpful if you travel much in hilly areas. We've had ours at 12k ft elevation in CO and you'll get a brake warning light in no time without using the 6 or 9 speed. You just pull over and rest 10-15 mins to clear the light, but it helps to shift manually. It's been our experience it's been very rugged and a tough vehicle, we have put it through its paces already. The one problem with Travatos is how low the grey and black tank releases are in the back. You can easily bottom out and damage that area even with a normal curb so backing in spots isn't advised. Same for battery box in the back, you only have about 6-7 inches so you have to take great care. Thankfully a full year of research landed us our perfect rig on the first try, instead of 3rd as she mentioned. Good luck searching and travel safe
Hang on to your Storyteller dream! You don't have to go full Beast. A Mode LT can be had for 160 right now and it's not going to fall to pieces after rolling over some washboard.
I’ve always liked the 59K. It’s been my favorite layout for a long time. I would definitely buy Winnebago over Thor for sure. Seeing what you two have been through scares me. I realize that it’s all RVs but I like the fact that Winnebago builds a lot of their items in house. Love watching you guys. Great video, happy trails.
Not only that the Winnebago Era that's built on the Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 3500 XD has the 170" wheelbase, but it's also the extended body. So it's a little longer than the Winnebago Adventure Wagon that's built on the Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 3500 XD with the 170" wheelbase & the non extended body. The Thor Dazzle 2JB that's built on the Ram ProMaster with the 159" wheelbase & the extended body has to be a 2022 model year, as it has the upgraded dashboard & steering wheel, but it still has the previous style front end.
I would not buy a Mercedes, too expensive to service and hard to find dealerships in remote areas. You can always find a Ford, Chevy, GMC, Dodge/Jeep dealership. I owned a Mercedes and would never own another one. Pricing has nothing to due with workmanship, I know someone who spent $300,000 and it too was falling apart. The mentality people think is, if I spend more money it was built better "not". ALL the manufactures only care about is how many units they can build in a day, they will let the dealerships deal with the problems.
Love the Travato But honest question. I’m 6’2” or 6’3” lol. The driver seat in the 59k is too tight for my knee. But some how the Thor models have more leg room on the same Ram chassis :-(
I'm not much shorter and can't believe you'd have an issue. On longer drives and I'm adjusting my seat to stretch and "move around", I've had my seat where my knees have plenty of room. Where I normally have the seat, it's not much extra but at least a couple inches. They're not terribly comfortable to begin with no matter what, but with some adjustments you get used to it and gets better over time.
Isn’t Entegra owned by Thor? You are showing “Winnebago Entegra” in the timeline. If a Thor product, what makes it any different than other Thor products that have a reputation of shoddy workmanship?
Woof, that Winnebago Adventure Wagon is $130k with basically duffel bags hung up as storage compartments and a fold out sink you can get at Walmart? Sorry to whoever gets suckered into that.
Vancaskeys, have you ever looked at the RoadTreks!! We have a 2023 RoadTrek Play and its the best layout with rear twin beds that can be a king, side bath, 6 cubic foot fridge, nice kitchen, 400AH AGM batteries, under hood generator, 3000 watt inverter standard. There are other models like the Zion, Chase, etc. I think you will love the quality (made in Canada), 20 feet length, has a maserator standard on all models, and very stealth, no hookups or RV indicators present, all hidden. Check them out!
I would definitely go with the Winnebago Travato! I would do the lithium package with the induction stove top! Induction heats up so incredibly fast, and no poisonous gases inside your RV. Plus induction is super controllable! Yes I was a gas stove top only for the longest time but I’ve had induction now for almost a year and I would never go back to gas again! The induction goes into the pan versus heating up your van like Gas does.
I've always liked the twin bed/rear bath layout. It allows one person to snooze in later, while allowing the other to move about. When the table is in place, the beds form the sitting bench.The beds due double duty. Also, visually, the living area seems much more open, without counters on both sides narrowing the space. You do sacrifice a little bit of of kitchen counter, however.
Honestly, we move about fine with one resting even with the larger bed made. If you want to go back to the bath, yes that's an issue but otherwise we cope well with it. We normally make up the bed for the day while traveling, it's easy enough to do. My wife is small and we still couldn't rest comfortably in the twins. Hard for us to rest well thinking about rolling over too much and hitting the floor. That would hurt pretty bad no doubt, but we've heard of many using them as twins. The converted bed is nearly a King, hard to find in any rig but esp one this small.
I own a 2022 Coachmen Nova 20C and absolutely LOVE it! Have you checked out the Nova 20C, 20D or 20RB yet? The build quality is amazing and would buy another one all over again for sure! Thank you for sharing this extra fun video! I always look forward to another Wednesday with the Vancaskeys!
I agree....we are about to take delivery of our second Coachmen class B. 1st one was a Beyond C model...after 2 years of ownership we decided we absolutely love #vanlife but wanted the RB model so sold the C and getting Beyond RB very soon. The quality is night and day difference above all others we've seen.
The Winni Travado with the generator is the most practical setup. If you cook a lot go with induction, otherwise the induction cooktop makes for one less fuel/power source to deal with. We added a fold-up table beside the sink. The wardrobe in the back is the best!
Those van builders do a good job building the vans out but they ask ridiculously high prices for them. You practically have to win the lottery to buy one. No way will I pay that kind of money.
We looked at just about every Ram Promaster B van before deciding on the 59k. It really is the perfect setup. Life is short. Do whatever you need to do to dump your current B and buy the 59k. You will NOT be disappointed.
Just get it. It's perfect for you! We had the Entegra Ethos 20T, which is the same layout as that one and loved it. You will love it too. Not to say I told you so, but I told you guys about that layout last year. Seriously though it really is the perfect class B for you and I pray that you can make it happen. Take care and God bless!
I love the 59g because of the fold up bed in the back, and the larger refrigerator-freezer. I think the new price is way up there like over 170k. My suggestion for you two folks being so tall is to sell your house, buy one with a longer driveway, then get a class A motorhome with more space. 😊
Even with higher prices now, you can get a G for a lot less than 170. Must have been the msrp sticker price. We got our 2022 KL new for 126K and picked up in Sept 21. Have seen some Ks and Gs for 120-125 lately. Regarding their height, I'm the same and there's no issue with this van. For our use, this is ideal and we can park it in our driveway and park in a normal parking spot while traveling. Filling the tank doesn't kill you either and the gas mileage is pretty nice. Just a personal preference for each owner for sure.
You guys need to take a look at a Coachmen Nova. It's built on the Ram Promaster chassis so it meets your driveway length requirements and is offered in 3 different floorpans with the option of lithium or generator model. Of course price point varies between lithium and generator version but I think you would be quite pleased with the fit and finish of the Coachmen product.
Starter van? I remember when a starter house was like $25,000 and a great Van would have been like $12,000... ninety-five percent of the population couldn't afford to buy any of these vans. If you look at other vanlifers on UA-cam, most all are traveling around in vans that are 15-20 years old.
Yup, I paid $1300 total for my van. These days that a monthly payment. And I only bought mine 5 yrs ago. It was a smoking good deal though I bought it at an auction. 😊
70’s pricing is irrelevant. That’s like your Granddad saying sodas were only 15 cent when he was a kid but he fails to mention that he only made $1 per hr working his summer job at the gas station.
RVs over the past two years have drastically increased in price and decreased in quality snd workmanship. The B vans are just variations on the Travato. True innovation would be to bring back the roomy and gas efficient Winnebago Rialta, or have Windham open a US facility and make a US market oasis for around $100 k msrp fully equipped
We always think the grass is greener on the other side. But ask yourself one question - do you really go off roading? have you follow the UA-cam channel -One advanture at a time. This couple takes their Promaster everywhere. They should be promaster reps. My suggestion is to keep the one you currently have and put some miles on it. Also, you can have it modify for some off roading. Even the fancy vans get dirty. For me, I would stay with what I can afford and fix it up! Happy travels!
Is there a reason why you don’t want a can to look like an RV? We went from a can to a truck camper and then to a Thor Gemini, you gave to see them. It truly is amazing.
The Travato you saw today is on the new advance chassis. That alone has added $8,000 to the price. It is beautiful and has many added features. Because you live in Arizona the white van would be much cooler than your Granite Gray. The new Travato has both the new quiet generator and the new quiet A/C. Travato comes in to styles, the twin bed / rear bath and the dinette model with a front dinette and corner bath and corner bed. For those who desire to spend a lot of time at a work station or dinette the “G” Travato is ideal. However the bed is small and your head is at the back door, so it is cold and noisy back there. With the rear bath “K” the ability to work or dine is there but on smaller tables. With the twin beds you have day loungers as well as night beds. You can choose the twin beds, or make up the near king size bed at night. You can sleep in all four directions in the Travato K with the width of the Ram Promaster. The passenger side bed is good size but the driver side is smaller. When made into the larger bed the driver side feels larger because your feet can go through the bathroom door and you could be fine on either side. The downside of the larger bed is that you sleep with your head forward mostly so that you have easy to access the bathroom. There is a cutout in the middle of the bed so you can get out of bed and into the bathroom at night. But in the morning turning to front is a bit of a gymnastics event.
I am currently a full timer in a truck camper and have become interested in Class B vans. I like to keep things simple and that Winnebago Adventurer seems decent. What I do like is a shower and ac and did not see that in the model shown.
I love the open layout of the Travato 59K, but we decided we really wanted a pop top for this stage in our lives. We’re going with the Winnebago Solis PX. I’ve heard a few too many horror stories about the Thor vans. All RVs seem to have glitches, but it really sounds as if Winnebago’s quality is more reliable than Thor.
Ah, I notice you didn't run into a Pleasure Way or a RoadTrek on your B search odyssey. I have a PW OnTour and love it. Yes, it costs more than Thor or Winnebago. With that said, I love your adventures and keep acquiring experience!
You picked the Travato that I wanted to buy, but 1. It wouldn’t fit under my carport, 2. The price was just too high for me! P.S. your videos are awesome!!
The Travato is a great van!!! Another similar layout and good quality is the Coachman Beyond RB (Ford) or Nova RB (Ram) models (RB is the rear bath model).
I almost got the Travato K, however ended up building out an adventure van professionally. Super happy with it. Of course, I know what I would do different next time :) that's always the case. I think, now that you guys know what you want, that would be a fun process for you to go through, and you can ensure of the quality of the materials and get everything you want in it! So many great builders and options out there. I say order your cargo van now or at least start looking for one, it could take a while. For you, I vote for a high top extended Ford Transit 👍
We just bought a ethos Entegra coach 2023 20T! Love it and the openness of the rig. Price is within a great price range not to high not to low… just right. We are off on our 4+ month Summer VaCa and so far so happy🥰🥰🥰
@@Vancaskeys we really like the Travato too. But it doesn’t have the storage space for my husband’s music gear. He’s a full time musician and we use the van to travel to his shows. So we have a fixed bed for lots of garage storage.
Enjoy watching your adventures.. My wife and I were interested in the tellaro 20a and after research and some of your adventures" we ruled it out. We were at an rv show recently and really liked the travato 59k. Watching your video helped reinforce our decision to buy here at Rec Van in Fremont. Great deals for a 2023 chassis 131,000 out the door price for upgraded paint, no deviations and upgraded awning style windows!
Hi! My wife and I enjoy your videos.Sorry about all the problems you had with your B. We have a Travato 59K and it is even better than you think. A couple of things you might have missed. Starting with the 2022 model year the bed has a european style slat system that just pulls across the isle. 5 seconds! No silly legs and boards to make the bed. And it’s a King size bed! Only challenge is getting to the bathroom at night if you sleep with your head towards the back. But it’s easy once you get the hang of it; get up on your knees and turn around. You may have missed the enormous storage under the passenger bed. More hints: add a Lagun mount midway along the passenger bed. Now you have a table mid way on the “sofa” where you can sit opposite each other to eat, play cards etc. Note that the sofas are deep and dont especially lend themselves to seating without dangling legs. Our bedding is in bolster/covers we made and they make a good backrest. Might still need a foot rest but that’s easy. The T facebook group is nuts- they know more than Winnebago so support is just a question away. We would love to share more just reach out. One more thing it’s a commodity. once you know what you want shop nationwide. we ordered ours and got it at a great price-sounds like what you paid for your Thor.
OK, i'm all about free-speech, and you are entitled to play whatever kind of music you wish on your channel, but the music you interject now and again is SO DISTRACTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The wife and I have been enjoying your videos, thanks for the entertaining and informative content. With you two being tall, you should really consider the Coachmen Beyond, 22RB (Rear Bath) It's on the Ford chassis with provides far superior performance, more headroom, a much more comfortable seating position, and the availability of AWD. The Coachmen quality is great and so is their customer service. Additionally, the stability of the dual rear wheels make a huge difference compared to the single rear wheels on the Promaster. We have a 2022 Beyond and love it. Once you test drive one, you'll be a believer. Will Williams
I absolutely love my 2020 Travato 59K! Water hookup is outside and those two beds do have tilt up ends at the rear so you can have a place to lean your back and watch the TV that does swing out into the open space so you can watch it from outside as well. GO FOR IT! Keep on keepin' on!
We have decided on the Travato with the 59K floor plan. We rented a 2023 for 5 days and it was outstanding. New chassis has lots of safety features and new headlights 28:13 . No FireFly or BMPro is actually a big plus. There is also MORE storage under one of the beds. We too are empty nesters.
a note on generators, we live in hot humid south and generator is a must for us. If it has the new Onan 2800 inverter generator, it is very quiet, low vibration and fuel injected. I’ve had one for 3 years and love❤❤❤ it
Hi Hillary and Bob, I just stumbled upon you, I liked and subscribed to your channel. What is the difference class B ? Do you have Solar Power on your van? Is yours 4 seasons van? What Van Mercedes, Ford, or Ram? I’m in NY where do you find these places to look at all these? Thank you
I got the feeling that you guys would get another Thor. Personally I would compromise on pricing to get something with better quality and that makes me proud of owning. Just me.
The Winnebago ERA is discontinued and I have NO IDEA WHY! I absolutely love the ERA! I was loving the 70A model but now I’m back on the hunt for another. 🤦♀️
Anyone who would even consider paying that sort of price for A DEPRECIATING 'ASSET' like a motor vehicle needs to be returned to the psychiatric ward. Apart from price, WHOTF would want the 'modcons' ,like runningwater/sink, toilet,cabinets/3-burner stove etcetcetc? I've lived for 38 months at a time in an old Ford Econovan which cost me $3400 six years ago, and was initially bought to transport animals. I've fitted everything I need since then, and it works fine. 'Running water' and sink comes from a plastic 2-litre ex-orange-juice bottle and a plastic dish ; a toilet is provided at the roadside in the form of a TREE; refrigeration is a 52-litre Engel AC/DV fridge/freezer which runs on 32 Watts (AND by the supermarkets where I buy FROZEN FOOD when I'm in the mood) Cooking is supplied by 2 small pots (each enough for coffee/pasta/frozen-vegies, etc.) a small frypan, (for eggs-on-toast) etc. all of which is prepared on a single-burner butane stove. The several electrical circuits I installed for different requirements are catered for by 320-Watt solar panels on the roof. They feed into a battery-bank which is also supplied by the engine when it's running. (I did start out with a generator-and-microwave, but scarcely ever used them, so got rid of them.) My AC/DC TV has a 7" screen and runs on 7 Watts (and usually sits on the dashboard). All-up it cost about $FIVE thousand, including all on-road costs; and if I was going to sell it I'd be too embarrassed to ask for more than that, given my old-fashioned sense of decency. These days(years later) such vans, with a MUCH greater mileage on the clock and no 'extras', have an average asking-price of about $20K. The message is: God must LUV morons; he made so MANY of them!
Dazzle is the same as Thor Twist, there are different plan plans, I am tall so the Dazzle/Twist 2LB (two long beds) is nice for those that are tall. The Dazzle/Twist 2LB as a large rear bath. The Travato 59k shown is the Dazzle/Twist 2LB floor plan. The Dazzle/Twist 2LB cost less than the Travato 59k, the only dif I see is the table.
I agree with you on the Travato. The only concern I would have would be the bed comfort because you can't just replace the cushions with a good mattress. On the topic of building a van, someone told me that yes you can customize it but if you ever needed to trade it in to a dealer, they would only give you the market value of the van itself without the customizations to a camper van. Something to consider since you guys seem to switch out/upgrade frequently. Thanks for all the reviews. We are looking for a Class B too and are on the fence about the model and cost. Happy travels.
While the beds in the Travato are definitely comfortable, there are many that add a quality topper. Because the beds don't double as the eating area they can just be left on all the time. We added a high density 3" Tempur-pedic topper to our Travato beds 3+ years ago. We rather sleep in the van than the guest room when visiting relatives.
If you build yourself, plan for it to take at minimum 6 months to complete, if all parts are delivered on time. That is working on it full time, all day every day. Built mine (simple build) that is how long it took me.
Most of these class B manufacturers must be trying to support a massive crack habit with the prices they are demanding. I’d give anything to get my hands on a new manufacture Kei Camper for about $30,000. Unfortunately, they aren’t marketed in North America. Every once in awhile you’ll see a worn out 25+ year old Kei camper that has been imported but they get snapped up quick.
I can't do class B But I can do A thor 2017 / 2018 Thor Axis/Vegas 25.2 only no other model. I have to have a real (Bathroom) and a walk-around bed so at 26' it works.
For those of you who are looking at the $100k+ price tags on these RV’s and feeling discouraged - this is not the only pathway to a class B van. My wife and I own a 25 year old ’98 Roadtrek 170P. We purchased it 2 years ago with 90k on the odometer for about $10k and have put about $5k in repairs to the chassis and upgrades to the camper side. We love it. These newer Class B’s are beautiful, but please just know that you don’t need new and shiny to get out and explore the world in a van. There are actually some advantages to older vans too. Ours has an old school propane fridge with zero electronics to break and uses no battery - we can run it for weeks on a single fill of our onboard propane tank - you can’t even buy a fully manual propane RV fridge nowadays. Also, even if you have the budget for a new van I would strongly consider buying one that is a few years old - why? Just like a new car, once you drive it off the lot it depreciates in value massively. Plus, buying a van that is a few years old it’s likely that the kinks/issues that are common to many new RV’s have been already been fixed by the previous owners.
I guess if you are "swept away" with a new vehicle then go ahead but personally you are spending WAY TOO MUCH for what you are getting. You can by a brand new truck and a 30 ft travel trailer for less and you will have 4 times as much room to live in. I don't get it ?
I would never buy a van from an RV company. The quality is so poor these days. You spend more time fixing than travelling. I'd buy the van I like and have it custom fitted with what I want from a company I wpuld research carefully for quality.
We love our Travato 59k. We did a ton of research before we got it and it’s turned out to be the right choice. Couldn’t be happier with it.
Love this!
Where is the best place to buy a 59K? Website or face to face? And what is the price point I should be looking for with a 2022 or 2023? Is there a big diff between 2022 and 2023?
@@chrishamilton1189 there are two chassis for 2023. The easiest way to tell them apart is the newer 2023s have a different wheel with some black on it as I recall where the older chassis has an all silver wheel. I was shopping a few months ago and the newer chassis wasn’t discounted as much as the older chassis. Considering how hard it is to get service I’d try and find a dealer that is within a reasonable distance of where you live. Seems like the dealers on the west coast were discounting more than dealers in the southeast. The dealers pay nearly the same for the units it’s just a matter of being patient and making a local dealer be competitive with offers you solicit online. Good luck. I love our 2020.5 59K.
@@chrishamilton1189just make sure it's the new generation of travato on the 9 speed ram promaster chassis with electronic steering. They are on pare with their competitors now.
I love watching you guys! You both are so easygoing, give great honest reviews, and throw in the price as well! The Travato is my favorite van! I go and visit it at the RV dealership, hoping they will feel sorry for this single lady and hand one over!! Lol! Thanks guys!
I bought my Travato K back in 2018, I absolutely love it, has the 2800 W generator. I put 300 W of solar on the roof upgraded to a MPPT charge controller, put two 100 AH lithium batteries on it.
The AC has some trouble keeping it cool inside here in Phoenix in the summer, but if I park in the shade, it helps a lot.
I would not trade it for any other floor plan.
Love this!
A channel that gives the prices and opinions on value this is what I've been looking for.
Awesome!!!! Welcome to our channel!
Hey guys, love your videos! Although I’ve cooled off on the RV idea, it lurks in my head and I enjoy the info. The Winnebago’s floor plan is quite good, I like the center beds and rear bath. I’d encourage you to consider Embassy…the owners seem super happy, you don’t see them sold used (the owners hang on to them), and you can choose a RAM or Ford chassis (Bob I know you like the Benz but they’re way more $ to maintain and repair). The Travato will be a more affordable price point most likely.
Enjoy the chase!!!
I have the pleasure way Plato ts we keep the couch down and bought a really comfortable mattress on top and keep it as a fixed bed
That’s awesome!
Found it interesting you liked the Travato K so much, we have a 2022 but it's a KL so we have Lithium. If you can afford the L model, it's totally worth it in our opinion. We got ours in Sept 2021 and we have 22K miles now, with not many issues. The price on this non lithium at 127 is also interesting, we paid 125 for our Lithium so they've gone up quick for sure. We don't stay in one place very long usually, so we can take advantage of the fact ours charges while we drive. We haven't plugged in for shore power anywhere in over a year. My wife and I differ on the bed from her thoughts, we tried the twins one night and we both found it hard to rest well concerned about rolling over and falling on the floor. The VERY best aspect of the K model for us is the larger bed once you convert it, which is a quick easy process. It's larger than a queen for sure, not much smaller than a King. My wife is small and still felt the twin wasn't for her. One important note: Many owners seem to love the dual pane windows. Ours was to have them as well, but we would have incurred an unknown delay, even prior to big supply chain issues. We now love our sliders and very happy as numerous owners have had issues with dual pane. Windows falling out is the main culprit but other problems as well. Many owners have broken windows as they open their sliding door into an awning window that's open. They can also be scratched easily while cleaning. We also believe the insulation factor is over-rated as well, but we haven't done a scientific study. We just have learned to control temps somewhat with use of reflectix or other materials. She didn't mention it in the vid, but the bath in the back is great for another reason. Weather permitting, you can shower outside with a privacy curtain secured between the doors. I've showered outside nearly every time, maybe once inside. There's a quick connect hose in the back you can use to shower but I use the main shower head which reaches outside easily. Finally the 6 speed transmission, think it's 9 now which seems like overkill, is very helpful if you travel much in hilly areas. We've had ours at 12k ft elevation in CO and you'll get a brake warning light in no time without using the 6 or 9 speed. You just pull over and rest 10-15 mins to clear the light, but it helps to shift manually. It's been our experience it's been very rugged and a tough vehicle, we have put it through its paces already. The one problem with Travatos is how low the grey and black tank releases are in the back. You can easily bottom out and damage that area even with a normal curb so backing in spots isn't advised. Same for battery box in the back, you only have about 6-7 inches so you have to take great care. Thankfully a full year of research landed us our perfect rig on the first try, instead of 3rd as she mentioned. Good luck searching and travel safe
Hang on to your Storyteller dream! You don't have to go full Beast. A Mode LT can be had for 160 right now and it's not going to fall to pieces after rolling over some washboard.
Haha! I will!
I've seen used Storytellers drop into the 130's. Just wait lol
I’ve always liked the 59K. It’s been my favorite layout for a long time. I would definitely buy Winnebago over Thor for sure. Seeing what you two have been through scares me. I realize that it’s all RVs but I like the fact that Winnebago builds a lot of their items in house. Love watching you guys. Great video, happy trails.
So true! Thank you!
One of the best reviews I've listened to. Thank you!
Thank you! We appreciate this!
Check out the Coachmen Nova 20RB! Similar to the Travato 59K but with some cool differences!
We totally will! Thanks!
Not only that the Winnebago Era that's built on the Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 3500 XD has the 170" wheelbase, but it's also the extended body. So it's a little longer than the Winnebago Adventure Wagon that's built on the Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 3500 XD with the 170" wheelbase & the non extended body. The Thor Dazzle 2JB that's built on the Ram ProMaster with the 159" wheelbase & the extended body has to be a 2022 model year, as it has the upgraded dashboard & steering wheel, but it still has the previous style front end.
Love your chemistry. I'm liking the 59K too
Thanks!! It’s a great one!
Look at The Coachmen Nova D. The quality is much better than the Thor…no offense.
Everyone keeps saying this! We need to look at one!
I’m a “B” gal. Love my van, but always looking for the perfect adventure van.
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I would not buy a Mercedes, too expensive to service and hard to find dealerships in remote areas. You can always find a Ford, Chevy, GMC, Dodge/Jeep dealership. I owned a Mercedes and would never own another one. Pricing has nothing to due with workmanship, I know someone who spent $300,000 and it too was falling apart. The mentality people think is, if I spend more money it was built better "not". ALL the manufactures only care about is how many units they can build in a day, they will let the dealerships deal with the problems.
How come just Mercedes, Ram and Ford are the only options? Is there any GM, Chevy, GMC platforms?
Get Grech. You will not regret.
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Love the Travato
But honest question. I’m 6’2” or 6’3” lol. The driver seat in the 59k is too tight for my knee. But some how the Thor models have more leg room on the same Ram chassis :-(
Good to know! Will have to take a closer look at the drivers seat in the 59K.
I'm not much shorter and can't believe you'd have an issue. On longer drives and I'm adjusting my seat to stretch and "move around", I've had my seat where my knees have plenty of room. Where I normally have the seat, it's not much extra but at least a couple inches. They're not terribly comfortable to begin with no matter what, but with some adjustments you get used to it and gets better over time.
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SELL the THOR!! They are a POS, I had many of the same issues you are experiencing! My favorite is the new Airstream Rangeline with pop top!
Uh..sorry you had issue’s too 😢 we love that one too!
Isn’t Entegra owned by Thor? You are showing “Winnebago Entegra” in the timeline. If a Thor product, what makes it any different than other Thor products that have a reputation of shoddy workmanship?
What show was this?
I think it was Westworld Scottsdale.
Would you actually buy another Thor?
Would not get another thor
I have my dream van it’s 43 ft
Wow…what van is 43 ft long?
A Winnebago Horizon 42 Q
Woof, that Winnebago Adventure Wagon is $130k with basically duffel bags hung up as storage compartments and a fold out sink you can get at Walmart?
Sorry to whoever gets suckered into that.
Vancaskeys, have you ever looked at the RoadTreks!! We have a 2023 RoadTrek Play and its the best layout with rear twin beds that can be a king, side bath, 6 cubic foot fridge, nice kitchen, 400AH AGM batteries, under hood generator, 3000 watt inverter standard. There are other models like the Zion, Chase, etc. I think you will love the quality (made in Canada), 20 feet length, has a maserator standard on all models, and very stealth, no hookups or RV indicators present, all hidden. Check them out!
I would definitely go with the Winnebago Travato! I would do the lithium package with the induction stove top! Induction heats up so incredibly fast, and no poisonous gases inside your RV. Plus induction is super controllable! Yes I was a gas stove top only for the longest time but I’ve had induction now for almost a year and I would never go back to gas again! The induction goes into the pan versus heating up your van like Gas does.
Never used an induction stove but sounds like it is a good option.
I've always liked the twin bed/rear bath layout. It allows one person to snooze in later, while allowing the other to move about. When the table is in place, the beds form the sitting bench.The beds due double duty. Also, visually, the living area seems much more open, without counters on both sides narrowing the space. You do sacrifice a little bit of of kitchen counter, however.
Agree!
Honestly, we move about fine with one resting even with the larger bed made. If you want to go back to the bath, yes that's an issue but otherwise we cope well with it. We normally make up the bed for the day while traveling, it's easy enough to do. My wife is small and we still couldn't rest comfortably in the twins. Hard for us to rest well thinking about rolling over too much and hitting the floor. That would hurt pretty bad no doubt, but we've heard of many using them as twins. The converted bed is nearly a King, hard to find in any rig but esp one this small.
Hey Bob, next time you're heading back to Carlsbad, CA hit me up. I can bring you my Coachman Beyond 22c 2022 model and give you a tour/test drive.. 😜
Ok! Thanks!
I own a 2022 Coachmen Nova 20C and absolutely LOVE it! Have you checked out the Nova 20C, 20D or 20RB yet? The build quality is amazing and would buy another one all over again for sure! Thank you for sharing this extra fun video! I always look forward to another Wednesday with the Vancaskeys!
I agree....we are about to take delivery of our second Coachmen class B. 1st one was a Beyond C model...after 2 years of ownership we decided we absolutely love #vanlife but wanted the RB model so sold the C and getting Beyond RB very soon. The quality is night and day difference above all others we've seen.
The Winni Travado with the generator is the most practical setup. If you cook a lot go with induction, otherwise the induction cooktop makes for one less fuel/power source to deal with. We added a fold-up table beside the sink. The wardrobe in the back is the best!
Great points! Thanks!
If you can afford to buy it then trade in your van and get the new one. It is super nice but they're all pretty nice.
It’s not in our budget at this point. Wish we could!
Those van builders do a good job building the vans out but they ask ridiculously high prices for them. You practically have to win the lottery to buy one. No way will I pay that kind of money.
We looked at just about every Ram Promaster B van before deciding on the 59k. It really is the perfect setup. Life is short. Do whatever you need to do to dump your current B and buy the 59k. You will NOT be disappointed.
It does look like such a great one! Glad you love it!
Quarter of a million dollars for a van that,s crazy
Too bad the price tag isn’t 59K……
@@roadstar92220 yea but you get what you pay for.
@@roadstar92220 Hah! RIGHT! We wish!
Love, love, love my Winnebago ♥️ And their customer service is excellent.
Yay! This is great news!
Yes, I see your vision lol
My dream Class B is the 2019 or 20
Travato 59G..
One day I will be blessed to own one!🤞🏾
Yes!!!!
Just get it. It's perfect for you! We had the Entegra Ethos 20T, which is the same layout as that one and loved it. You will love it too. Not to say I told you so, but I told you guys about that layout last year. Seriously though it really is the perfect class B for you and I pray that you can make it happen. Take care and God bless!
Thanks! We need to!
I love the 59g because of the fold up bed in the back, and the larger refrigerator-freezer. I think the new price is way up there like over 170k. My suggestion for you two folks being so tall is to sell your house, buy one with a longer driveway, then get a class A motorhome with more space. 😊
Even with higher prices now, you can get a G for a lot less than 170. Must have been the msrp sticker price. We got our 2022 KL new for 126K and picked up in Sept 21. Have seen some Ks and Gs for 120-125 lately. Regarding their height, I'm the same and there's no issue with this van. For our use, this is ideal and we can park it in our driveway and park in a normal parking spot while traveling. Filling the tank doesn't kill you either and the gas mileage is pretty nice. Just a personal preference for each owner for sure.
You guys need to take a look at a Coachmen Nova. It's built on the Ram Promaster chassis so it meets your driveway length requirements and is offered in 3 different floorpans with the option of lithium or generator model. Of course price point varies between lithium and generator version but I think you would be quite pleased with the fit and finish of the Coachmen product.
We will take a look at it! Wish they had one at that show. Thank you!
You guys have fast become one of my favorite channels to watch.
@@Vancaskeys I ABSOLUTELY LOVE my 2022 Coachmen Nova 20C with the white cabinets!
Coachmen Nova RB is the RV to consider!
@@Vancaskeys I don’t think LaMasa sells Coachman B vans.
Coachmen Nova R/B is the RV to consider!
Starter van? I remember when a starter house was like $25,000 and a great Van would have been like $12,000... ninety-five percent of the population couldn't afford to buy any of these vans. If you look at other vanlifers on UA-cam, most all are traveling around in vans that are 15-20 years old.
That’s true. Had we had the time we would have just built one out and an older van.
Yup, I paid $1300 total for my van. These days that a monthly payment.
And I only bought mine 5 yrs ago.
It was a smoking good deal though I bought it at an auction. 😊
@@MX-CO That's so amazing!!! Very happy for you!
70’s pricing is irrelevant. That’s like your Granddad saying sodas were only 15 cent when he was a kid but he fails to mention that he only made $1 per hr working his summer job at the gas station.
@@ChopperChad Sodas were a nickel.
RVs over the past two years have drastically increased in price and decreased in quality snd workmanship. The B vans are just variations on the Travato. True innovation would be to bring back the roomy and gas efficient Winnebago Rialta, or have Windham open a US facility and make a US market oasis for around $100 k msrp fully equipped
Look at go small live large he’s an expert in travers and get the lithium batteries if you can afford it great show thank you
They are great!
Wow as much as a house. I would rather get a older one and fix it up. My style. These are so plain and just functional looking for me.
Agree...we see lots of people do this and have great success!
Nope, @12:26....that's a 2022 chassis. They sell the old models as 2023's The 2023 Promaster has a different nose and nice upgrades.
We always think the grass is greener on the other side. But ask yourself one question - do you really go off roading? have you follow the UA-cam channel -One advanture at a time. This couple takes their Promaster everywhere. They should be promaster reps. My suggestion is to keep the one you currently have and put some miles on it. Also, you can have it modify for some off roading. Even the fancy vans get dirty. For me, I would stay with what I can afford and fix it up! Happy travels!
Very good points! Thanks!
Thumbs up to you two… wonderful video! Very helpful. You two area great! Thanks
Thanks so much!
Travato always wins....but not for me.
Thank You for the tour! I prefer a Winnebago Revel 4x4. V-6 diesel style!.
Good choice!
After so many issues your van has, who wants to buy it 😅😅😅😅 well maybe 😅 if you have a 75% discount price
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Whats up with these prices!?! They are beyond too high. You can build your own for a 10th of the price
Agree...they are very expensive.
Is there a reason why you don’t want a can to look like an RV? We went from a can to a truck camper and then to a Thor Gemini, you gave to see them. It truly is amazing.
We need to check it out!
What bed do you guys have in your Tellaro? I know you said its 8 inches but is it a mattress or just 8 inches of memory foam?
Simmons 8" Medium Gel Memory Foam Mattress from Costco...we bought a full & a twin and cut the twin to size, then we put a memory foam on top 😂
The Travato you saw today is on the new advance chassis. That alone has added $8,000 to the price. It is beautiful and has many added features. Because you live in Arizona the white van would be much cooler than your Granite Gray. The new Travato has both the new quiet generator and the new quiet A/C. Travato comes in to styles, the twin bed / rear bath and the dinette model with a front dinette and corner bath and corner bed. For those who desire to spend a lot of time at a work station or dinette the “G” Travato is ideal. However the bed is small and your head is at the back door, so it is cold and noisy back there. With the rear bath “K” the ability to work or dine is there but on smaller tables. With the twin beds you have day loungers as well as night beds. You can choose the twin beds, or make up the near king size bed at night. You can sleep in all four directions in the Travato K with the width of the Ram Promaster. The passenger side bed is good size but the driver side is smaller. When made into the larger bed the driver side feels larger because your feet can go through the bathroom door and you could be fine on either side. The downside of the larger bed is that you sleep with your head forward mostly so that you have easy to access the bathroom. There is a cutout in the middle of the bed so you can get out of bed and into the bathroom at night. But in the morning turning to front is a bit of a gymnastics event.
Wow. Thanks for sharing such great information! We appreciate it!
You 2 are so cool!! And I love how her hair is always sooo beautiful!!!
Thank you so much!!
I am currently a full timer in a truck camper and have become interested in Class B vans. I like to keep things simple and that Winnebago Adventurer seems decent. What I do like is a shower and ac and did not see that in the model shown.
How tall is he? My husband is 6'4". My son is 6'2".
Bob is 6’1 our kids are 6’4
Be honest they're way overpriced , much better to do your own .
Agree. They are so expensive.
I love the open layout of the Travato 59K, but we decided we really wanted a pop top for this stage in our lives. We’re going with the Winnebago Solis PX. I’ve heard a few too many horror stories about the Thor vans. All RVs seem to have glitches, but it really sounds as if Winnebago’s quality is more reliable than Thor.
Sounds perfect for what you’re needing 😃
Ah, I notice you didn't run into a Pleasure Way or a RoadTrek on your B search odyssey. I have a PW OnTour and love it. Yes, it costs more than Thor or Winnebago. With that said, I love your adventures and keep acquiring experience!
Thank you! YEah...they didn't seem to have those at this show.
You picked the Travato that I wanted to buy, but 1. It wouldn’t fit under my carport, 2. The price was just too high for me!
P.S. your videos are awesome!!
Thanks!
Can you put some storage up in that pop tart or does it have to be completely empty to close?
Completely empty to close
Love your reviews, new to your channel…Can you tell me what you use for Internet??? Thx. Lisa
Welcome! We usually just use our phones. We have unlimited data.
Thanks for the reply!
The Travato is a great van!!! Another similar layout and good quality is the Coachman Beyond RB (Ford) or Nova RB (Ram) models (RB is the rear bath model).
We need to look at those!
ALL Class B’s are over priced…. JMHO!
Kinda agree 😂
Thanks guys for the information due to I’m looking to trade my TT for a class B.
You are welcome!
I almost got the Travato K, however ended up building out an adventure van professionally. Super happy with it. Of course, I know what I would do different next time :) that's always the case. I think, now that you guys know what you want, that would be a fun process for you to go through, and you can ensure of the quality of the materials and get everything you want in it! So many great builders and options out there. I say order your cargo van now or at least start looking for one, it could take a while. For you, I vote for a high top extended Ford Transit 👍
So awesome! We do love the Ford chassis!
Who was your pro builder?
We just bought a ethos Entegra coach 2023 20T! Love it and the openness of the rig. Price is within a great price range not to high not to low… just right. We are off on our 4+ month Summer VaCa and so far so happy🥰🥰🥰
Congratulations!!! We are so happy for you!!!
You are young enough to build one. In your shoes, I would.
That's the plan!
Great channel 😊
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This video confirms that we did the right thing by making a DIY van. We have the layout we want and my husband can still stand up inside lol
We have a Sprinter 3500 170 extended. We love it. We like have the duallys for more stability
So jealous. Sounds fantastic!
@@Vancaskeys we really like the Travato too. But it doesn’t have the storage space for my husband’s music gear. He’s a full time musician and we use the van to travel to his shows. So we have a fixed bed for lots of garage storage.
28:27 build your own! It really is quite the experience! We ❤ our van!
How much did it cost to build?
Enjoy watching your adventures.. My wife and I were interested in the tellaro 20a and after research and some of your adventures" we ruled it out. We were at an rv show recently and really liked the travato 59k. Watching your video helped reinforce our decision to buy here at Rec Van in Fremont. Great deals for a 2023 chassis 131,000 out the door price for upgraded paint, no deviations and upgraded awning style windows!
Thank you! Wow! Great deals!
Hi! My wife and I enjoy your videos.Sorry about all the problems you had with your B. We have a Travato 59K and it is even better than you think. A couple of things you might have missed. Starting with the 2022 model year the bed has a european style slat system that just pulls across the isle. 5 seconds! No silly legs and boards to make the bed. And it’s a King size bed! Only challenge is getting to the bathroom at night if you sleep with your head towards the back. But it’s easy once you get the hang of it; get up on your knees and turn around. You may have missed the enormous storage under the passenger bed. More hints: add a Lagun mount midway along the passenger bed. Now you have a table mid way on the “sofa” where you can sit opposite each other to eat, play cards etc. Note that the sofas are deep and dont especially lend themselves to seating without dangling legs. Our bedding is in bolster/covers we made and they make a good backrest. Might still need a foot rest but that’s easy. The T facebook group is nuts- they know more than Winnebago so support is just a question away. We would love to share more just reach out. One more thing it’s a commodity. once you know what you want shop nationwide. we ordered ours and got it at a great price-sounds like what you paid for your Thor.
Wow. Thank you for sharing all this great info!
Yes sell your van. That’s been my thought since you guys started having so many issues. Look at used pleasure way or road trek.
We totally want too!
OK, i'm all about free-speech, and you are entitled to play whatever kind of music you wish on your channel, but the music you interject now and again is SO DISTRACTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't find a differance between a sequence and a tellaro, I thought you might know ?
There are no major differences between Thor Sequence and Thor Tellaro except for the interior design.
thanks, i may keep asking you questios. just ignore me if i'm bothersome !!
The wife and I have been enjoying your videos, thanks for the entertaining and informative content. With you two being tall, you should really consider the Coachmen Beyond, 22RB (Rear Bath) It's on the Ford chassis with provides far superior performance, more headroom, a much more comfortable seating position, and the availability of AWD. The Coachmen quality is great and so is their customer service. Additionally, the stability of the dual rear wheels make a huge difference compared to the single rear wheels on the Promaster. We have a 2022 Beyond and love it. Once you test drive one, you'll be a believer. Will Williams
We need to look at that one. It signs a amazing.
I absolutely love my 2020 Travato 59K! Water hookup is outside and those two beds do have tilt up ends at the rear so you can have a place to lean your back and watch the TV that does swing out into the open space so you can watch it from outside as well. GO FOR IT! Keep on keepin' on!
So awesome! Thanks for sharing!
We have decided on the Travato with the 59K floor plan. We rented a 2023 for 5 days and it was outstanding. New chassis has lots of safety features and new headlights 28:13 . No FireFly or BMPro is actually a big plus. There is also MORE storage under one of the beds. We too are empty nesters.
If it was $127,000 and has the new headlights...that's a good price.
Awesome!
a note on generators, we live in hot humid south and generator is a must for us. If it has the new Onan 2800 inverter generator, it is very quiet, low vibration and fuel injected. I’ve had one for 3 years and love❤❤❤ it
Hi Hillary and Bob, I just stumbled upon you, I liked and subscribed to your channel. What is the difference class B ? Do you have Solar Power on your van? Is yours 4 seasons van? What Van Mercedes, Ford, or Ram? I’m in NY where do you find these places to look at all these? Thank you
You guys are lovely together. Good luck
Thank you 😊
We did tons of research and landed on the Travato 59K about 6 weeks ago. We absolutely love it..........
Good to know this! Thanks!
Love what you have instead of coveting what you don’t. If you have a decent rig use it and love it.
I got the feeling that you guys would get another Thor. Personally I would compromise on pricing to get something with better quality and that makes me proud of owning. Just me.
The Winnebago ERA is discontinued and I have NO IDEA WHY! I absolutely love the ERA! I was loving the 70A model but now I’m back on the hunt for another. 🤦♀️
Anyone who would even consider paying that sort of price for A DEPRECIATING 'ASSET' like a motor vehicle needs to be returned to the psychiatric ward. Apart from price, WHOTF would want the 'modcons' ,like runningwater/sink, toilet,cabinets/3-burner stove etcetcetc? I've lived for 38 months at a time in an old Ford Econovan which cost me $3400 six years ago, and was initially bought to transport animals. I've fitted everything I need since then, and it works fine. 'Running water' and sink comes from a plastic 2-litre ex-orange-juice bottle and a plastic dish ; a toilet is provided at the roadside in the form of a TREE; refrigeration is a 52-litre Engel AC/DV fridge/freezer which runs on 32 Watts (AND by the supermarkets where I buy FROZEN FOOD when I'm in the mood) Cooking is supplied by 2 small pots (each enough for coffee/pasta/frozen-vegies, etc.) a small frypan, (for eggs-on-toast) etc. all of which is prepared on a single-burner butane stove. The several electrical circuits I installed for different requirements are catered for by 320-Watt solar panels on the roof. They feed into a battery-bank which is also supplied by the engine when it's running. (I did start out with a generator-and-microwave, but scarcely ever used them, so got rid of them.) My AC/DC TV has a 7" screen and runs on 7 Watts (and usually sits on the dashboard). All-up it cost about $FIVE thousand, including all on-road costs; and if I was going to sell it I'd be too embarrassed to ask for more than that, given my old-fashioned sense of decency. These days(years later) such vans, with a MUCH greater mileage on the clock and no 'extras', have an average asking-price of about $20K. The message is: God must LUV morons; he made so MANY of them!
Dazzle is the same as Thor Twist, there are different plan plans, I am tall so the Dazzle/Twist 2LB (two long beds) is nice for those that are tall. The Dazzle/Twist 2LB as a large rear bath. The Travato 59k shown is the Dazzle/Twist 2LB floor plan. The Dazzle/Twist 2LB cost less than the Travato 59k, the only dif I see is the table.
I agree with you on the Travato. The only concern I would have would be the bed comfort because you can't just replace the cushions with a good mattress. On the topic of building a van, someone told me that yes you can customize it but if you ever needed to trade it in to a dealer, they would only give you the market value of the van itself without the customizations to a camper van. Something to consider since you guys seem to switch out/upgrade frequently. Thanks for all the reviews. We are looking for a Class B too and are on the fence about the model and cost. Happy travels.
While the beds in the Travato are definitely comfortable, there are many that add a quality topper. Because the beds don't double as the eating area they can just be left on all the time. We added a high density 3" Tempur-pedic topper to our Travato beds 3+ years ago. We rather sleep in the van than the guest room when visiting relatives.
If you build yourself, plan for it to take at minimum 6 months to complete, if all parts are delivered on time. That is working on it full time, all day every day. Built mine (simple build) that is how long it took me.
That's why we haven't done it yet...time. We need more time 😂
The answer is? Sell your house and buy one without an HOA. Then get the RV you really want. Of course interest rates suck now. Argggh!!!
The Thor Dazzle is exactly what I am looking for. Thank you for making this video, really saved me time and research.
Most of these class B manufacturers must be trying to support a massive crack habit with the prices they are demanding. I’d give anything to get my hands on a new manufacture Kei Camper for about $30,000. Unfortunately, they aren’t marketed in North America. Every once in awhile you’ll see a worn out 25+ year old Kei camper that has been imported but they get snapped up quick.
I can't do class B But I can do A thor 2017 / 2018 Thor Axis/Vegas 25.2 only no other model. I have to have a real (Bathroom) and a walk-around bed so at 26' it works.
For those of you who are looking at the $100k+ price tags on these RV’s and feeling discouraged - this is not the only pathway to a class B van. My wife and I own a 25 year old ’98 Roadtrek 170P. We purchased it 2 years ago with 90k on the odometer for about $10k and have put about $5k in repairs to the chassis and upgrades to the camper side. We love it.
These newer Class B’s are beautiful, but please just know that you don’t need new and shiny to get out and explore the world in a van.
There are actually some advantages to older vans too. Ours has an old school propane fridge with zero electronics to break and uses no battery - we can run it for weeks on a single fill of our onboard propane tank - you can’t even buy a fully manual propane RV fridge nowadays.
Also, even if you have the budget for a new van I would strongly consider buying one that is a few years old - why? Just like a new car, once you drive it off the lot it depreciates in value massively. Plus, buying a van that is a few years old it’s likely that the kinks/issues that are common to many new RV’s have been already been fixed by the previous owners.
I guess if you are "swept away" with a new vehicle then go ahead but personally you are spending WAY TOO MUCH for what you are getting. You can by a brand new truck and a 30 ft travel trailer for less and you will have 4 times as much room to live in. I don't get it ?
Great video! Thank You
Thank You!
I would never buy a van from an RV company. The quality is so poor these days. You spend more time fixing than travelling. I'd buy the van I like and have it custom fitted with what I want from a company I wpuld research carefully for quality.