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My local sheriff's department held a 36 hour course to become a reserve deputy so I signed up. Man was I unprepared. I learned a lot, got shot a lot with simunition and bags but ultimately I learned how to adapt and overcome situations. I thought we were just going to do some range shooting and maybe some drills..lol Force on force, knife training, hand to hand, grappling and shoot house. It was expensive and exhausting but it was worth it.
When I started carrying in the 'Appendix" position in the mid 90's it was called or referred to as the "Felony" carry because it was how all the baggy closed thugs carried.
I’m in my late 70s, pocket carry a J Frame because my 1974 gunfight was with a revolver and that’s where my comfort level is. It’s good to hear you permit all sorts of carry methods in your classes.
train the way you carry is the bottom line !! i agree with what you are saying brother !!!!! again, Ken is a skilled man who is set in his ways as evident with his thinking red dots are a fad.
I saw the whole appendix carry discussion he did with Paul Howe and I'm pretty sure he said that the reason he didn't allow it in his class was because of liability reasons. I think in another video he even admitted that he carried his Colt Commander like that in the beginning but switched to strong side because it was more comfortable.
I think there point was - if you get a ND with appendix -the impact would not be good - mainly femoral arteries - not just the junk. Other, positions on the belt are less dangerous from a ND perspective. Appendix is likely better from a draw and comfort view.
Yes sir. As an older guy myself 59. I was reluctant to go to appendix carry. I wouldn't allow my son's to do it. I actually ended up winning a Vedder AIWB and changed my view after a few days of dry fire. Now I still prefer 3:00 for comfort but, if the weather is warm I am appendix. Like you said take your time and look it in the holster and you should make it out of the world with the boys still healthy😂
Risk vs. Reward. Am I more likely to be in a gunfight or more likely to shoot myself in the nether region? Only you can decide that. I'm 58 and have gone back to Double/Single action with Appendix carry. From the 80's until recently, I carried 3 or 3:30 with a 1911, Beretta, Sig or Glock.
I was having a conversation with a friend who is also a trainer and he brought up a good point. - With the number of people carrying today, how do we navigate the potential for friendly fire? - Example scenario: You're in QT getting a hotdog from the roller grill. As you are placing the hotdog on the bun, you hear someone yell "MONEY" extremely loud over your left shoulder. As you turn to the left and look towards the cash registers where the words came from, you see a white male with a white oversized T-shirt, black jeans, and a medical mask fire two rounds from a handgun. The first round is fired up at the ceiling, and the second round is fired directly over the cashier's shoulder. At this point, you decide to engage the threat, drawing, and engaging the target with a clean four rounds into the center mass until you see him drop out of your sight picture. After the threat is down, you approach him on the ground, with your firearm covering him. Next thing you know, you are shot multiple times in the chest, and you are falling to the ground. That's the last thing you remember. You see, there was another concealed carry permit holder that shoots twice a year. His witness statement was this: "I was walking in the west entrance of QT when I heard someone yell "MONEY" near the registers. As I rounded the corner, I heard six shots fired and observed (insert your description here) approaching another man who was already on the ground bleeding. I engaged the threat and neutralized him for my and everyone around mess safety. - At the end of the day, no one knows that you are the good guy, except you... until after the investigation is completed. In the event of a self-defense shooting, maneuvering with the gun drawn in the scenario I wrote above made you look like the imminent threat. - Thoughts?
A little bit confusing description of an hypothetical scenario. But I would run in the opposite direction because I DO NOT HAVE ANY LEGAL OBLIGATION TO STOP AN ARMED ROBBERY in progress. I am not a cop, so, I am not intervening in a third party incident. But that is my opinion and my opinion alone. To each their own.
This most definitely falls into the category of "paralysis by analysis" and the "What if Brigade" ... make the best decision you can for the situation you're in.
I would too. But swap this incident with any other. - incident to use lethal force is presented. Individual B shoots individual A for a lawful/justified purpose. Individual C (not being a prudent person who should seek cover and mind his business) goes to investigate the shooting and finds individual B with a firearm standing over individual A. Believed imminent danger to individual A is present and decides to shoot individual B (the good guy in this scenario) - What steps can be taken to avoid being shot by individual C if you’re individual B.
A hypothetical question in the equivalent of a classroom environment, as far removed from danger and need for real time action, isn’t analysis paralysis. It’s food for thought and potentially removes an unforeseen threat from our blind spots. A threat even UC or off duty cops should be aware of as more CCWs enter society.
Hell I don’t understand why people are getting in such a up roar over what ken said about his feelings on adpendix carry, I carry adpendix and it didn’t bother me , that’s his opinion and as of now it’s still some what of a free country and people can have deferant opinions
Problem is that he is indirectly suggesting that those of us who teach appendix are wrong to do so. Its my job to comment since I am still in the business.
Another thing you didn't mention is after decocking your pistol you can put your thumb on the back of the hammer while reholstering for extra assurance
If I mentioned everything it would be a one hour video. Watch my thumbs when I holster. I tend to lay it alongside the hammer to verify I have decocked.
I carry aiwb with a micro hellcat in a Burdette gunleather holster from Springfield, sitting down isn't a problem very comfortable can carry all day long, love it !
I carry a full size M&P with supressor height sights outside the waistband strongside. There's no way I could carry that appendix. These little guns everyone is carrying these days are inadequate for self defense. Sure, a one on one encounter and the guy is within 20 feet might be ok, but if I have to really fight with my pistol until law enforcement arrives I want a full size gun with a full fighting ammo payload in that gun. Taking force on force training with law enforcement will show you just how inadequate this little guns are.
@@ccoop2416 they can't take it away from me because I carry it in a safariland level 3 holster, same as our local sheriff's deputies. If they were to kill me or knock me unconscious they could.
As well as anything else. If you are wearing all that crap its still covering your pontiff approved 3:00 isn't it? In such cases, I prefer a J-frame, sans holster, in a jacket pocket. I even put my finger on the trigger now and then.
Hackathorn is a Fud. I don't carry appendix....I am more comfortable with 3 o'clock carry. But I have a ton of friends that carry appendix. It's fast and it's efficient if you are trying to fend off something hand to hand. Same reason you carry a knife at midline.....more centrally located.
My God did you even watch the video? He wasn't against appendix carry just not in his class. Futhermore did you even listen about how over half his students couldn't see their own peckers? Suarez do a video with a 280 lbs man apex carrying..I'll bet you will change your mind
The mention of "his class" was an afterthought. His opinion is that if you use appendix carry, you are fool. I disagree 100% and think someone limiting real world carry options in his "artificial time capsule class" is foolish. Moreover, a man who is so fat that cannot see his own man parts has far more dire problems than defending himself from a thug in a parking lot, ie., diabetes, heart disease, etc. If I had such a student I would not be doing a video at the gym. It would be a video of us walking through the supermarket and I telling him what to eat and how much, as well as what not to eat. Then part two would be us at the gym. Problem One is the life fight. Problem two is the gun fight. We live the story we tell.
I’ve never been in a gunfight. I’m not military and I’m not law enforcement. I go to the range every few months. No matter how much I read, watch or practice I’ve never experienced the emotion of a gunfight. I’m not carrying a gun pointed at my femoral artery.
Outstanding, well-thought-out rebuttal. We have to get away from the notion of sacred cows in the 2A community. Experts can certainly be wrong...and for all his wisdwom and experience Ken was dead wrong about "junk carry."
Been a LE for 15 yrs. Responded to 4 calls of people accidentally shooting themselves. All of them were carrying appendix and had striker guns. Most of them were seated in the car when it happened. One died. And a couple others luckily aren't able to reproduce anymore . Still haven't responded to a call where it happened to someone carrying on their side.
@@LUVDOGS1954I will answer it. I have been teaching appendix carry for some 20 years now. If you are a numbskull, don't carry anything anywhere. 4 unskilled clowns shooting themselves doesn't tell me anything. Moreover, I do not wish to use the actions of unskilled clowns to govern how I carry, teach how to carry, nor what I eat, how or what I drive, nor anything else. Excellence is its own selector as well as its own de-selector. I choose excellence and always have demanded same from my students and staff.
Saying this as a LEO . . A lot of LEOs using exposed strong side security duty holsters have shot themselves over the years . . . Newsflash, even using these type of holsters, when you draw and holster, the muzzle is pointed your leg, which has a large artery in it . . .
@@suareztacticsso the answer is be perfect and there’s nothing to worry about. The fact is - appendix flags the body - something we’re told never to do. Other positions on the belt are therefore less risky in case of a ND. Having said that - I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer to this - it’s just a matter of risk management- are you willing to accept greater risk of a ND that impacts your body in return for a faster draw and more comfort? It’s no more complicated than that…
Anecdotal evidence Apparently you never responded to a call where someone using a SERPA holster shot themselves, but it's happened. Quite a bit. And what were they doing seated in their car that got them to shoot themselves?
Move to Prescott and show up exactlt when I feel like doing a video 24/7...and for free and I may consider it. I seem to be doing quite well with the camera work as it is however.
Hackathorn also thought that post 9-11 that every cockpit should have a 3" M65 in an electronically locked case to defend the flight deck. Not only was that unworkable from a logistical standpoint, but it also ignored the fact that on 9-11 there were five attackers on each airplane. It's best to stay in our own lane, mine happens to airplanes first and fighting second. Gabe's is winning real world fights. There are times to talk and times to listen, on this subject, I'll listen to Gabe.
Doesn't upset me. These slim stacks ride real nice apdx. Let's be real, what are we responding to? Could be a knife in the gut by some Muhammad, I'm just trying to live my off duty life and I'm not on edge then, but, the attacker gets the first move. I'm not the toughest dude in the world, it could be one of these Chechnya MMA dudes that makes the first move, do I want to be reaching back behind my hip after being jaw jacked, stabbed, or shot? No. People that don't know what it feels like to get wobbled from a contact sport or even an accident will never understand.
the problem in getting guys together for class is guys have a tendency to want to look faster then the guy next to them ''performance anxiety'' they must block this out of their mind and this worship of timers and emphasis on speed many think is the only thing, for my draws I am faster with 2 o clock possition because of my quick draw feature I use in my draw, my love for the snub video shows steps I do for speed many don't think about and I show in the demonstration video what works for me 1.) 2 o clock possition 2.) have a 1 inch gap around grip 3) have a light weight gun and short barrel because it's faster out of holster 4.) have clothing travel so it's a short distance 5.) have a grip good enough to fit hand being a almost perfect grip every time you reach for gun 6.) draw one handed so thatbin you need other hand to block, go for knife or get someone to safety the right hand is not dependent on left hand to complete a grip but only for support, martial arts with left hand is possible if right hand has no time for left hand in a very close quarter defense situation 7.) smaller gun is harder to grab or take out of battery then a bigvoptic ready semi auto where someone can grab gun slide but these day more to grab because of optics, so optics does have disadvantages for every advantage. with all guns, calibers, accessories, holsters, capacity it's yin and yang in principle, for every advantage there is a disadvantage just as yin and yang symbol is light and dark, no one ever is going to have all the advantages and none of the disadvantages, the proof is UFC fighting, not one fighting style dominates, it's how good you are with your skill sets and becoming one with the gun, you could hand out 10 22 lr pistols and 10 9 mm pistols and have different defence results dependent on the operator of the gun and how they employ those tactics of what they been taught and their mind set, same with revolvers vs semi autos, it's how your situational awareness, your tactics and skill sets you practice that determin the win the final outcome. training is learning fundamentals, practice is to act on what's learned, you train how to drive a car carefully and right and every day you practice by driving car so that's the diffence between training and practice many over complicate but its a easy concept
Not one person who appendix carries has ever answered my question on the basic weapons safety rules...never point a weapon at anything you do want to destroy.
@suareztactics Shit happens. A wound to an arm or leg can be treated easily by anyone. A wound in the pelvic girdle requires a surgeon to treat at a trauma center in a very short amount of time.
A. A gun in a holster isn't pointed at anything a gun has to be in your hand to be pointed. Further if the holster is a proper one the gun is rendered totally safe because it's impossible for it to fire unless you are burning alive and it cooks off. B. Every method of carry has the muzzle orientated toward your body or someone else's in certain body positions. By your standard carrying a gun is impossible. C. If you point a gun at yourself while holstering or drawing that is a trianing issue and not one unique to aiwb carrying.
@josh885 You contradict yourself on B and C. Basically, you say it's impossible to carry a gun without pointing the muzzle at someone or yourself, and in C, you say it is possible, but it's a training issue...?? Ok, let me explain what I said again. SHIT HAPPENS...do you understand what that means? In this case, it means firearms are unintentionally discharged every day. As a matter of fact, it happens on average 27,000 times a year in this country where a wound or a death is the result. Not all of them are during the draw or holstering, but you get the point. When shit happens, it doesn't consider training level, age, or even holster quality...it just happens. All I'm saying is, if it ever "happens" to me, I don't want to inflict a wound that requires a trauma surgeon because it's in the pelvic girdle. That's me. I don't care where you carry.
This guy is offended by Hackathorns truth because he has been charging for teaching people counter to it. Appendix carry is a trend by cool guys trying to fit into the heard
Paul Howe carries a G26 AIWB all the time. For clarification, it was Hackathorn.
And yet, while I respect Mr. Howe far more than Mr. Hackathorn, he said nothing in disagreement. Por que no?
Words of wisdom. Great advice and philosophy as always.
As always great information, direct and to the point....
My local sheriff's department held a 36 hour course to become a reserve deputy so I signed up. Man was I unprepared. I learned a lot, got shot a lot with simunition and bags but ultimately I learned how to adapt and overcome situations. I thought we were just going to do some range shooting and maybe some drills..lol Force on force, knife training, hand to hand, grappling and shoot house. It was expensive and exhausting but it was worth it.
When I started carrying in the 'Appendix" position in the mid 90's it was called or referred to as the "Felony" carry because it was how all the baggy closed thugs carried.
It comes down to the choice of the individual. If a person wants to appendix carry, go for it. If they do not, don't.
Well said sir, thank you
Liked and subbed. Excellent video!
I’m in my late 70s, pocket carry a J Frame because my 1974 gunfight was with a revolver and that’s where my comfort level is. It’s good to hear you permit all sorts of carry methods in your classes.
train the way you carry is the bottom line !! i agree with what you are saying brother !!!!! again, Ken is a skilled man who is set in his ways as evident with his thinking red dots are a fad.
I saw the whole appendix carry discussion he did with Paul Howe and I'm pretty sure he said that the reason he didn't allow it in his class was because of liability reasons. I think in another video he even admitted that he carried his Colt Commander like that in the beginning but switched to strong side because it was more comfortable.
I think there point was - if you get a ND with appendix -the impact would not be good - mainly femoral arteries - not just the junk. Other, positions on the belt are less dangerous from a ND perspective. Appendix is likely better from a draw and comfort view.
Yes sir. As an older guy myself 59. I was reluctant to go to appendix carry. I wouldn't allow my son's to do it. I actually ended up winning a Vedder AIWB and changed my view after a few days of dry fire. Now I still prefer 3:00 for comfort but, if the weather is warm I am appendix. Like you said take your time and look it in the holster and you should make it out of the world with the boys still healthy😂
You’re still getting traction on the previous video you posted about this 👍🏽
Additionally, Kydex technology has made a big difference in safety and effectiveness.
Risk vs. Reward. Am I more likely to be in a gunfight or more likely to shoot myself in the nether region? Only you can decide that. I'm 58 and have gone back to Double/Single action with Appendix carry. From the 80's until recently, I carried 3 or 3:30 with a 1911, Beretta, Sig or Glock.
I was having a conversation with a friend who is also a trainer and he brought up a good point.
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With the number of people carrying today, how do we navigate the potential for friendly fire?
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Example scenario:
You're in QT getting a hotdog from the roller grill. As you are placing the hotdog on the bun, you hear someone yell "MONEY" extremely loud over your left shoulder.
As you turn to the left and look towards the cash registers where the words came from, you see a white male with a white oversized T-shirt, black jeans, and a medical mask fire two rounds from a handgun. The first round is fired up at the ceiling, and the second round is fired directly over the cashier's shoulder.
At this point, you decide to engage the threat, drawing, and engaging the target with a clean four rounds into the center mass until you see him drop out of your sight picture.
After the threat is down, you approach him on the ground, with your firearm covering him.
Next thing you know, you are shot multiple times in the chest, and you are falling to the ground. That's the last thing you remember.
You see, there was another concealed carry permit holder that shoots twice a year. His witness statement was this:
"I was walking in the west entrance of QT when I heard someone yell "MONEY" near the registers. As I rounded the corner, I heard six shots fired and observed (insert your description here) approaching another man who was already on the ground bleeding. I engaged the threat and neutralized him for my and everyone around mess safety.
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At the end of the day, no one knows that you are the good guy, except you... until after the investigation is completed. In the event of a self-defense shooting, maneuvering with the gun drawn in the scenario I wrote above made you look like the imminent threat.
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Thoughts?
A little bit confusing description of an hypothetical scenario. But I would run in the opposite direction because I DO NOT HAVE ANY LEGAL OBLIGATION TO STOP AN ARMED ROBBERY in progress. I am not a cop, so, I am not intervening in a third party incident. But that is my opinion and my opinion alone. To each their own.
This most definitely falls into the category of "paralysis by analysis" and the "What if Brigade" ... make the best decision you can for the situation you're in.
I would too. But swap this incident with any other.
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incident to use lethal force is presented. Individual B shoots individual A for a lawful/justified purpose. Individual C (not being a prudent person who should seek cover and mind his business) goes to investigate the shooting and finds individual B with a firearm standing over individual A. Believed imminent danger to individual A is present and decides to shoot individual B (the good guy in this scenario)
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What steps can be taken to avoid being shot by individual C if you’re individual B.
A hypothetical question in the equivalent of a classroom environment, as far removed from danger and need for real time action, isn’t analysis paralysis. It’s food for thought and potentially removes an unforeseen threat from our blind spots. A threat even UC or off duty cops should be aware of as more CCWs enter society.
Love the shirt! Wish I could find out who makes it.
You are so so on point! “Eff the wayward lamb” lol - Thank you for all you do for all of us Mr Suarez!
Using a pelvic tilt when holstering and utilizing a wedge further mitigate the danger issue.
Hell I don’t understand why people are getting in such a up roar over what ken said about his feelings on adpendix carry, I carry adpendix and it didn’t bother me , that’s his opinion and as of now it’s still some what of a free country and people can have deferant opinions
Exactly
Problem is that he is indirectly suggesting that those of us who teach appendix are wrong to do so. Its my job to comment since I am still in the business.
Another thing you didn't mention is after decocking your pistol you can put your thumb on the back of the hammer while reholstering for extra assurance
If I mentioned everything it would be a one hour video. Watch my thumbs when I holster. I tend to lay it alongside the hammer to verify I have decocked.
I think we can all have our own opinions,thats what i look for and then i make my own opinion on the subject,thanks
Facts
What makes me dislike appendix carry is sitting down to me it's no contest whe it comes to comfort strong side carry is so much better
I carry aiwb with a micro hellcat in a Burdette gunleather holster from Springfield, sitting down isn't a problem very comfortable can carry all day long, love it !
I carry a full size M&P with supressor height sights outside the waistband strongside. There's no way I could carry that appendix. These little guns everyone is carrying these days are inadequate for self defense. Sure, a one on one encounter and the guy is within 20 feet might be ok, but if I have to really fight with my pistol until law enforcement arrives I want a full size gun with a full fighting ammo payload in that gun. Taking force on force training with law enforcement will show you just how inadequate this little guns are.
@Brett235 what if someone takes that pistol off of you, there are good reasons to conceal your pistol ✌️
@@ccoop2416 they can't take it away from me because I carry it in a safariland level 3 holster, same as our local sheriff's deputies. If they were to kill me or knock me unconscious they could.
And this works in northern climates when it's 15 degrees F with 20 mph winds? Under a shirt, hooded sweathshirt, down vest, and parka?
As well as anything else.
If you are wearing all that crap its still covering your pontiff approved 3:00 isn't it? In such cases, I prefer a J-frame, sans holster, in a jacket pocket.
I even put my finger on the trigger now and then.
@@suareztactics No. Not 3:00...Miami Classic.
@@LUVDOGS1954See my video on Holsters. I am wearing a Miami Classic too. Probably not acceptable at Elmer Fudd Tactical either.
Yes. Yes it does. I do it pretty much all the time. Or if prohibitive, J frame in the pocket.
Hackathorn is a Fud. I don't carry appendix....I am more comfortable with 3 o'clock carry. But I have a ton of friends that carry appendix. It's fast and it's efficient if you are trying to fend off something hand to hand. Same reason you carry a knife at midline.....more centrally located.
Key: Carry in a way that works for you. Appendix carry doesn't work for me. Everyone is different.
We all start not knowing and learn from there.
Well said. There should be a reason for what you do and how you do things and you expressed the reasoning very well.
Thanks for your common sense take.
Preach brother... I cannot even watch a Hackathorn vid any longer...
Good stuff. I usually love watching Ken and Bill chew the fat. But their naysay stance on red dots and appendix carry just turns me off.
My God did you even watch the video? He wasn't against appendix carry just not in his class. Futhermore did you even listen about how over half his students couldn't see their own peckers? Suarez do a video with a 280 lbs man apex carrying..I'll bet you will change your mind
The mention of "his class" was an afterthought. His opinion is that if you use appendix carry, you are fool. I disagree 100% and think someone limiting real world carry options in his "artificial time capsule class" is foolish.
Moreover, a man who is so fat that cannot see his own man parts has far more dire problems than defending himself from a thug in a parking lot, ie., diabetes, heart disease, etc.
If I had such a student I would not be doing a video at the gym. It would be a video of us walking through the supermarket and I telling him what to eat and how much, as well as what not to eat. Then part two would be us at the gym. Problem One is the life fight. Problem two is the gun fight.
We live the story we tell.
See my video on "Don't Be A Fat Pistolero". If this one upset you, LOL...🤣
I’ve never been in a gunfight. I’m not military and I’m not law enforcement. I go to the range every few months. No matter how much I read, watch or practice I’ve never experienced the emotion of a gunfight. I’m not carrying a gun pointed at my femoral artery.
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Outstanding, well-thought-out rebuttal. We have to get away from the notion of sacred cows in the 2A community. Experts can certainly be wrong...and for all his wisdwom and experience Ken was dead wrong about "junk carry."
Been a LE for 15 yrs. Responded to 4 calls of people accidentally shooting themselves. All of them were carrying appendix and had striker guns. Most of them were seated in the car when it happened. One died. And a couple others luckily aren't able to reproduce anymore . Still haven't responded to a call where it happened to someone carrying on their side.
So far....nobody has an answer for this...hmmm?
@@LUVDOGS1954I will answer it.
I have been teaching appendix carry for some 20 years now.
If you are a numbskull, don't carry anything anywhere. 4 unskilled clowns shooting themselves doesn't tell me anything.
Moreover, I do not wish to use the actions of unskilled clowns to govern how I carry, teach how to carry, nor what I eat, how or what I drive, nor anything else. Excellence is its own selector as well as its own de-selector. I choose excellence and always have demanded same from my students and staff.
Saying this as a LEO . .
A lot of LEOs using exposed strong side security duty holsters have shot themselves over the years . . .
Newsflash, even using these type of holsters, when you draw and holster, the muzzle is pointed your leg, which has a large artery in it . . .
@@suareztacticsso the answer is be perfect and there’s nothing to worry about. The fact is - appendix flags the body - something we’re told never to do. Other positions on the belt are therefore less risky in case of a ND. Having said that - I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer to this - it’s just a matter of risk management- are you willing to accept greater risk of a ND that impacts your body in return for a faster draw and more comfort? It’s no more complicated than that…
Anecdotal evidence
Apparently you never responded to a call where someone using a SERPA holster shot themselves, but it's happened. Quite a bit.
And what were they doing seated in their car that got them to shoot themselves?
Appendix carry unsafe, it's just the cool thing right now.
Appendix carry preceded Cooper and IPSC bro. Even in the old west. Strong side wouldn't even be a thing if not for the sport shooting world.
The only thing that upsetting me is the lack of a competent cameraman. Therefore, I am offering to be your cameraman for free Gab. Let me know senior.
Move to Prescott and show up exactlt when I feel like doing a video 24/7...and for free and I may consider it. I seem to be doing quite well with the camera work as it is however.
@tactics you are very peleonero senior Suarez. I was kidding...Jeepers! Relax for amor de Dios!
@@paraAA82So was I compadre...relajate chico
As my manager (Instructor who knows Ken) says, "Ken is right even when he is wrong".
Hackathorn also thought that post 9-11 that every cockpit should have a 3" M65 in an electronically locked case to defend the flight deck. Not only was that unworkable from a logistical standpoint, but it also ignored the fact that on 9-11 there were five attackers on each airplane.
It's best to stay in our own lane, mine happens to airplanes first and fighting second. Gabe's is winning real world fights. There are times to talk and times to listen, on this subject, I'll listen to Gabe.
A 3" Model 65!? Wow
Hack has been wrong about a great many things for a very long time
Or you can just make a llc so that you arnt held accountable
LOL 😂
That is how business is done. Stupid people doing stupid things with otherwise good products should not be YOUR fault.
Doesn't upset me. These slim stacks ride real nice apdx.
Let's be real, what are we responding to?
Could be a knife in the gut by some Muhammad, I'm just trying to live my off duty life and I'm not on edge then, but, the attacker gets the first move.
I'm not the toughest dude in the world, it could be one of these Chechnya MMA dudes that makes the first move, do I want to be reaching back behind my hip after being jaw jacked, stabbed, or shot?
No.
People that don't know what it feels like to get wobbled from a contact sport or even an accident will never understand.
the problem in getting guys together for class is guys have a tendency to want to look faster then the guy next to them ''performance anxiety'' they must block this out of their mind and this worship of timers and emphasis on speed many think is the only thing, for my draws I am faster with 2 o clock possition because of my quick draw feature I use in my draw, my love for the snub video shows steps I do for speed many don't think about and I show in the demonstration video what works for me 1.) 2 o clock possition 2.) have a 1 inch gap around grip 3) have a light weight gun and short barrel because it's faster out of holster 4.) have clothing travel so it's a short distance 5.) have a grip good enough to fit hand being a almost perfect grip every time you reach for gun 6.) draw one handed so thatbin you need other hand to block, go for knife or get someone to safety the right hand is not dependent on left hand to complete a grip but only for support, martial arts with left hand is possible if right hand has no time for left hand in a very close quarter defense situation 7.) smaller gun is harder to grab or take out of battery then a bigvoptic ready semi auto where someone can grab gun slide but these day more to grab because of optics, so optics does have disadvantages for every advantage. with all guns, calibers, accessories, holsters, capacity it's yin and yang in principle, for every advantage there is a disadvantage just as yin and yang symbol is light and dark, no one ever is going to have all the advantages and none of the disadvantages, the proof is UFC fighting, not one fighting style dominates, it's how good you are with your skill sets and becoming one with the gun, you could hand out 10 22 lr pistols and 10 9 mm pistols and have different defence results dependent on the operator of the gun and how they employ those tactics of what they been taught and their mind set, same with revolvers vs semi autos, it's how your situational awareness, your tactics and skill sets you practice that determin the win the final outcome. training is learning fundamentals, practice is to act on what's learned, you train how to drive a car carefully and right and every day you practice by driving car so that's the diffence between training and practice many over complicate but its a easy concept
Not one person who appendix carries has ever answered my question on the basic weapons safety rules...never point a weapon at anything you do want to destroy.
Then leave the gun in the safe because its ALWAYS pointing at someone or something. THAT rule is flawed.
@suareztactics
Shit happens. A wound to an arm or leg can be treated easily by anyone. A wound in the pelvic girdle requires a surgeon to treat at a trauma center in a very short amount of time.
A. A gun in a holster isn't pointed at anything a gun has to be in your hand to be pointed. Further if the holster is a proper one the gun is rendered totally safe because it's impossible for it to fire unless you are burning alive and it cooks off.
B. Every method of carry has the muzzle orientated toward your body or someone else's in certain body positions. By your standard carrying a gun is impossible.
C. If you point a gun at yourself while holstering or drawing that is a trianing issue and not one unique to aiwb carrying.
@josh885
You contradict yourself on B and C. Basically, you say it's impossible to carry a gun without pointing the muzzle at someone or yourself, and in C, you say it is possible, but it's a training issue...??
Ok, let me explain what I said again.
SHIT HAPPENS...do you understand what that means? In this case, it means firearms are unintentionally discharged every day. As a matter of fact, it happens on average 27,000 times a year in this country where a wound or a death is the result. Not all of them are during the draw or holstering, but you get the point. When shit happens, it doesn't consider training level, age, or even holster quality...it just happens.
All I'm saying is, if it ever "happens" to me, I don't want to inflict a wound that requires a trauma surgeon because it's in the pelvic girdle. That's me. I don't care where you carry.
This guy is offended by Hackathorns truth because he has been charging for teaching people counter to it. Appendix carry is a trend by cool guys trying to fit into the heard
LOL. Dude...you just made me spit my coffee. ROTFLMAO
@@suareztactics point proven. Abbreviations are also for cool guys trying to fit into the heard
@@nathanielroseen5397I am my own herd bro...and here you are following. Rolling On The Floor again.