Appendix Carry - Massad Ayoob gives the Pros and Cons of AIWB Carry. Critical Mas 54
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- We are answering questions from You, the viewer. One question was, What is Massad Ayoob opinion about Appendix Carry. Mas lists the pros and cons of carrying AIWB. He looks at the balance of speed, comfort and safety. Mas give you all the info. It is up to you if you want to carry appendix.
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Critical Mas(s) with Massad Ayoob is a show that provides expert analysis over a wide range of contemporaneous topics related to civilian and law enforcement self-defense, the use of force, and second amendment issues, provided by a renowned and established author with a career spanning decades in training law enforcement officers and the public at large, who is frequently called upon to provide expert witness testimony.
ABOUT MASSAD AYOOB:
Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement columnist for AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of some twenty books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme” and “Deadly Force,” widely considered to be authoritative texts on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob was the first person to earn the title of Five Gun Master in the International Defensive Pistol Association. He is the current President of the Second Amendment Foundation. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught
for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and served as a fully sworn and empowered, part-time police officer for 43 years, mostly at supervisor rank. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has
appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two
years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appeared in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).
0:00 - Pros of Appendix Carry
1:45 - Speed Factor
3:00 - Comfort Factor
4:25 - Safety Issue
6:25 - The Choice is Yours
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So well said. Allow me to second your comment!
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"The genitalia and the femoral artery".....nuff said
One thing he didn't mention is that with AIWB you always have a visual on the status of the gun. When I carry 4 o'clock I have to physically check with my hand to make sure its still concealed correctly or is printing. If my shirt is riding up or whatever. When in appendix, I always know what's going on, and I am the only one who can get to it.
Very good point. It never feels right when you need to try to casually feel the small of your back to make sure you’re not exposed.
Very good point!
If you use the right holster, where the weapon is completely tucked in, no one will know you are packing...ergo you have all the time necessary to retrieve it and defnd yourself, your partner or others! One should ALWAYS carry in the same location, so as to NOT HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE THE GAT IS! It may save your life. It did mine...NYPD RET.
@@johneliadis9689 I'm confused. How can you carry a gun with it all the way tucked into your pants? How would you draw it lol
@hugeslacker thumb in first, hook the grips and draw. Been doing g it for thirty plus years.
This has been one the best and most balanced presentations on this highly debated topic. Great job, Mr. Ayoob. Thank you very much. I carry strong arm OWB because of training and simply years of duty and CCW. Basically, habit.
I agree, I'm 52 & a ccw user, licensed G armed officer 👮🏼♂️. I don't feel A-IWB carry is best but can see why newer, younger thin guys, gals. I'm left handed & used OWB for around 25+ years.
@@DavidLLambertmobile I'm new to concealed carry and I'm slowly working up the courage and confidence to appendix carry. The gun pointed at my balls all day really makes me nervous lmao ; P
@@randalthor6872 I carry AIWB, my gun isn't "pointed at my balls", the barrel points just outside the balls, when I sit, the end of the barrel points between the scrotum and inner thigh. I've got some pretty serious low back issues and appendix carry is the most comfortable method I've found. I carry an IWI Masada Tactical (4.6" barrel, 17+1 capacity) and I find AIWB to be very comfortable. Just use a quality holster and never get in a hurry to holster the weapon, always check to make sure the holster is clear, watch the gun go in and make sure no loose straps or clothing went in with it. Once properly holstered, the gun is as safe as it can be, if it's pointed at your balls it makes no difference, it won't go off on its own out of the blue. The 'accidents' (negligent discharges) occur during holstering or drawing. Do those two things properly and AIWB is just as safe as any other carry method. Of course, no matter which way you decide to carry, you should still strive to always do those two things properly and safely. Try several carry methods, see which you find best for concealment, comfort and access. AIWB is my preferred method and most people I know who tried it stuck with it.
I think its the best way period anyways but I don't like walking around with an exposed OWB gun.
It makes people feel very uncomfortable unless you're a cop and I'm not trying to make other people afraid or feel unsafe.
@@cosmicabyss7358
My sidearm is never exposed. Dress for success. Simple.
Thanks so much. I'm 73 and have been carrying strong side OWB so long that I truthfully just don't want to change. I really look forward to all of your videos.
Was a 3-4 o’clock carrier for a couple decades, but with some of the newer technology, switched over to appendix carry about 3 years ago and haven’t looked back since, mainly for the retention. As a guy, the place I notice the greatest improvement in feeling secure is when standing at a urinal - both hands in front are still guarding my firearm, whereas side-carry always left me feeling much more vulnerable since both hands were in front of me.
You could always wait for the urinal on the far right (or far left).
@@theritchie2173 I just go into the stall as if I were taking a dump 😂
To each their own...but couldn't disagree more. Technology still hasn't come up with a replacement for man's plumbing.
I was always trained to use the stall when carrying.
@@Bar1putt yep so no red flag calls go out about seeing a man with a gun !
Pros and cons is one of the basics that keeps me coming back to your presentations, Mas.
Im a woman. With a large chest. I'm having a hard time deciding where to carry. I'm have a lil squish, beer belly. I think appendix carry is what is best for me. I'm still trying to sort it out. Thanks WC. I love the context. As always.
They deleted my comment to you. So research "bra carry." I love it!
@@C-hp4eh lol. They deleted. Your tig ol bitties comment. Tisk tisk. Thanks lol 😆
Go for it, no twig and berries to worry about blasting off.
@@PopeMcGropeno, just the leg
This guy is so good, he's got one eye on us and one eye on the door.
I watched a bunch of old Mas videos this weekend and was surprised with how wicked his sense of humor was back in the day. Great content as always!
One day I'm watching one of his old videos, back when political correctness wasn't a thing and he just shouts "in America if you suck a c**k once you're a c*k sucker forever!" I just bursted with laughter
Watch the video on the cameraman’s vest. It was so hilarious when he whips out a second sandwich from the vest
@@samoliver9132 that vest was hilarious!
@@samoliver9132 OMG that was the first video I saw about this guy. I was instantly hooked.
I also had a serious hankering for a sandwich....
I carry about 11 o’clock with a right hand draw. It’s easier for me to draw with either hand if necessary. I also must have a manual safety when carrying up front. It’s a mental thing for me to know 100% the pistol won’t go off when pointed at such a vulnerable area.
I believe the popularity with appendix carry has helped bring favor back to DA/SA hammer-fired guns. A decocked hammer fired gun is a great option if considering appendix carry, IMO.
That's exactly why I appendix carry a da/sa. I have a few options, all sigs for carry. My p224 is more of a summer gun because I can wear just a tshirt, and then in months I can wear a jacket, thicker long sleeve shirts, hoodies, etc I choose between a p239 and a p229 depending on where I'm going. I don't think I would ever carry a p365 or other striker fired guns in that location.
I am glad Mas mentioned muzzle blast as a hazard. Most don't mention it and even if, during an AIWB unintended discharge, the bullet misses vital bits, the MB is still going to wreak havoc and still many penetrate through to vital arteries. FTR, I use AIWB upon occasion and even put together my own AIWB rig when I could not find what I wanted ready-made.
I appendix carry every day. I did however opt for a p365 with the manual safety due to what I perceived was a trigger weight a little light for concealed carry. I've trained that manual safety into every draw and always have one in the pipe.
I added a manual safety to my P365 just for that reason.
I have each of the new Sig 365 Rose kits on order. I like that both the 380 ACP and the 9mm have manual safeties.
I have a P365-380 with manual safety, I want that with any striker fired gun. Never used the safety(except for decocker) on my hammer fired pistols.
I also aiwb with a manual safety. After a lot of reps, it's part of my draw
Do you have to remove your pistol when you sit and drive?
There's at least one secondary advantage to AIWB, in my opinion. Because it's intrinsically uncomfortable to wear AIWB while sitting, I've found that my seated posture is best when carrying appendix. I don't slouch forward; I keep my lower back and lower abs slightly engaged; I sit further forward in my seat and have better foot placement on the ground.. It makes a small but noticeable difference over the course of a day.
Thanks for the video. Always nice to see Mas give us some of that 50-year wisdom most of us can only hope to have someday.
Yeah, I could see how this could be beneficial for some people with a posterior pelvic tilt with head forward posture and cue them to bring themselves back up into alignment.
Depends on body type. I could not stand sitting with my gun at 4 o'clock, especially driving which was torture! I can sit AIWB just as comfortably as when I'm not carrying.
You’re using the wrong belt and holster if sitting is uncomfortable AIWB. I can sit all day with a full size 5in
Simple don’t pull the trigger while the muzzle is pointed at you
@@jhos9494 I've tried a few different holsters Appendix for me is just uncomfortable. For me 3 o'clock OWB or 4 o clock IWB.
If you carry a pistol with a grip safety and carry appendix you can put thumb on top basically on rear site and slide pistol in nicely without depressing the grip safety. Its comforting having a little backup (safety) in a dicey situation (rehostering).
Being 6'1 and slim frame it's hard to cc other than appendix for me at least.
Personally, I only feel comfortable running an AIWB when it’s an SA/DA hammer-fired gun. I bought a 365 shortly after they fixed the pin drag issue and loved the gun, but I ended up selling it because I ALWAYS stressed while holstering it AIWB.
Yes. The shoulders back and watching the gun holstering is the way. You should have time for this whether at the range or after an incident is over. Excellent. Thank you.
see my post
Yep, speed reholstering isn't a thing
If you can't look at your holster while reholstering, that means the threat isn't gone, and you don't need to be holstering anyway.
It’s the same concept with hammer fired pistols with a decocker. You aren’t decocking in a life or death situation, nor are you holstering.
@@justinsane11 Absolutely
I carry a Glock 19, a Glock 17 and a S&W M&P appendix. The M&P has the external thumb safety, and the Glocks both have Striker Control Devices so I have positive tactile confirmation to help prevent AD's while holstering. So far so good...
I've carried at 3 O'clock to 4:30 for over 50 years. I appreciate the advantages of appendix carry, but it's just not for me. Also, I always trained to twist away from an attacker, so that my gun and shooting arm are out of his reach. The late 60s is not a good time of life to start retraining things that have become instinctive.
Thank you, Mas! Outstanding appendix carry pro/con presentation!
The caution about what the muzzle blast would do from an unintentional discharge when re-holstering appendix carry . . .
man you are so great. Appreciate the content!
I can listen to this man's wisdom all day long.
"showing the pros and cons"- exactly why I fell in love with your channel. With all of your content, you seem to not let emotions dictate the info you provide, and look at all sides of every story. Great info- thank you!
Always an outstanding video and presentation that I look forward to watching.
Thank you.
Appreciate the content as always
Great overview! Appreciate your expertise!
Mas is one of my favorite presenters ever.
Thank You, outstanding presentation of both the pros and cons!
Makes total sense. Just starting out and trying each.
Mr Mas, loved your written material I read in the 90,s. Great content from a very down to earth man. Happy to know you are still around. My best you and your loved ones. Respect from Australia.
Massed videos are mandatory viewing. Mandatory!
Once again thank you for the knowledge.
Massad is the absolute best. Love listening to him speak about anything & his wisdom.
reinforces my approach. Thank you, sir! Always enjoy your videos!!
It's how I carry!
I personally prefer 3-4 o’clock. I am quicker drawing and going on target that way, since it is how I have practiced drills for years.
That’s said appendix is better for concealment as it doesn’t print as much, but my most sacred rule is not to point the gun at myself or anyone else, and appendix breaks that rule for me.
Good to get both sides presented by Mas. Now I know this is solid info to be guided by.
I find that I'm only comfortable with Aiwb when using a revolver. Both from a safety and a comfort position. A longer gun or one less curved just doesn't work for me. Interesting to think that back when a lot of guys justshoved a gun into the waistband. Pants were worn four or five Inches higher. Doing that I could probably caryy a full size 1911 comfortably.
I think it’s your gaze that makes your words so powerful, when I look into your eyes I can’t help but treat your words with the utmost respect and diligence. Your a very wise man and it shows.
best video I've ever seen on appendix carry!
Massad Ayoob, old school wisdom with modern tech savvy. In the gravest extreme is a great book I that have bought many times over as gifts, my trust is that solid. Thanks for the deep dive sir!
Thank you, Sir, for this magnificent content!
You're so well spoken
I drive for a living so I spend a lot of time in my car. I found that in order to draw from a behind the hip holster while sitting in a bucket car seat I had to lean forward to create enough space to get a grip on the pistol. If an assailant is at your driver's side car window when you draw, by leaning forward you're exposing the back of the head and neck to them. You also can't effectively use your weak hand to fend off an attacker while drawing. An appendix holster offers a far easier draw while seated and doesn't compromise your ability to defend with the weak hand while drawing.
Thank you for posting this content. I truly enjoy your videos!
As for me, I carry mostly appendix. During extremely hot weather I pocket carry in shorts.
Very educational thanks Mas
I'm a huge proponent of this carry for speed and comfort. I prefer to use a hammer fired pistol and/or a 1911 or 2011 so that I know when I'm reholstering (slowly if at all) that I know where the action is. With my H&K P30sk I keep my thumb on the closed hammer and with my Stacatto C2 I make sure the slide safety is engaged and I use a weak grip so that the grip safety is NOT engaged when I put it back in the holster.
Thanks Mas for your years of knowledge. I can't wait to take one of your classes in person.
It’s no surprise that this is another informative and, yes, entertaining presentation! To the excellent recommendations Mr. Ayoob made, I would add that it’s worth considering the pistol one carries, as well. I personally feel a lot better re-holstering a double action or pistol with an external safety of some kind. These obviously require another level of training compared to a striker fired pistol, but the additional peace of mind is, for me, absolutely worth it.
Great job on giving the pro's and con's. I never thought about the muzzle blast issues.
Always informative and useful info,. Thanks!
Thanks so much for sharing your vast gun carrying and firearms knowledge with us via Wilson Firearms of these accords, Mr. Ayoob. I met a Law Enforcement Officer friend of mine that's a Military Veteran as well, and he told me years ago that he studied under you. Again, God bless you for sharing your Law Enforcement as well as Civilian gun carrying knowledge and experience, with your audiences for the safety and well-being of a number of people's lives and souls, sir.
great unbiased and informed video as always
Massad Ayoob is a national treasure. 🇺🇸
At age 62, arthritic, and being a tad chunky with a “slight” beer belly, IWB carry is strictly a no-go. Plus, no matter what size, age or fitness level a person is, ya gotta buy your britches 2” larger than the size you normally wear.
Oh, to be 26 and have a
30” waist again.
Thanks for this even-handed breakdown of pris and cons
Thank you for a professional discussion of what is way too often a nearly-religious matter.
Thank you Mas, great take on the topic
Always excellent info from Mr. Ayoob.
As a small guy I just pocket carry the old LCP Max. I can bring it anywhere without a metal detector with two spare 12 round mags (37 justice packets in total) even in small summer shorts. Sometimes in the winter when I'm wearing heavy clothing I'll carry appendix or 4 o'clock with a compact, but not often as it is far less comfortable. I know some people wouldn't be okay with the level of stopping power but the reliability and accuracy is actually pretty astounding, and shot placement even with a 45 is the most important thing. The amount of reps I've done to be smooth out of the pocket is high and I practice with snap caps every day to keep myself in good shape. If you value true invisibility and the ability to constantly have your EDC I highly recommend putting in the training effort and getting over the ego hit of carrying such a small gun.
Thank you sir for all the good information,I love to hear you talk because it transmitting a sense of confidence and security to me appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing!
Great information. Thanks for the information!
Great video, good balanced presentation, thanks 👍
Thank you for the info
Thank you again for sharing your expertise.
Thanks again Massad Ayoob. Still transitioning to appendix carry. Thank you as well for youre above grade leadership at the 2nd amendment foundation. A lot of great things happening with such a great leader at the head.
I carry an IWI Masada Tactical, 4.6" barrel with 17 + 1 capacity, AIWB. I have some pretty serious low back issues with some permanent nerve damage in my low back causing constant leg pain. If I carry IWB anywhere on the hip, it causes me a lot of pain that I don't get with appendix carry. I think it's because the hip is hard, a belt to keep the holstered gun stable and against the body puts too much side pressure on the lower back while the abdomen is soft and gives so the belt doesn't need to be as tight and doesn't create uneven side pressure on the low back. There seems to be better weight distribution too. Whatever the reason, my personal experience with AIWB carry has been great. It's comfortable, the gun is easy to access and easy to conceal. I personally love AIWB carry. It may not be for everyone but it's definitely my preferred way to carry.
Another solid presentation...Massad.
As always, great advice. Thank you.
Speaking from my personal experience, During a practice session, I had a spent case enter my holster while trying to reholster my pistol. The spent case applied pressure to the trigger. However, the pistol was a P226 DA/SA and I was riding the hammer. Therefore, no discharge. That made a believer out of me.
I'm glad to see this Video Mas, thank you for posting it. I remember reading you in the Magazines in my Teens. I have been Appendix carrying since 1982, within a month or so of graduation from the Police Academy. I carried that way off duty and I carried my Back up there while working in Uniform, and then in plain clothes and as a Detective. Only during Twice yearly Qualifying did I wear it on the Strong side belt because the job or at least the Fire Arms and Tactics section required it. I start with My Model 10, then with the Model 36. Once off Probation I carried my 459 there and eventually my 1006, which I carry that way til this day. I find it very comfortable and easy to access. I shoot well and can indeed draw quickly with it in that position. Then again after 41 years I should be able too.
Good advice as usual. Appendix carry all but eliminates a bad guy grabbing one’s firearm also.
Thank you for this video explaining this topic. As someone who tried appendix for a long time before moving to 3 o clock, it makes a lot more sense now. Being a farmer in a seated position in a vehicle that bounces a lot, I've found that an iwb holster at 3 o clock is right for me.
Thanks again Mas for an articulate and well thought out presentation with a focus on critical thinking skills. I don't normally utilize appendix carry because as a life long cross trained martial arts instructor I prefer the 3 o'clock position to keep my hips and pelvic girdle unencumbered. However, as an NRA Instructor, when I am training my younger personal defense students who are utilizing the appendix carry positions I demo and instruct them on exactly the techniques and concepts you presented in this video. I start them off with a confirmed/empty firearm and proceed from there once they have demonstrated a basic competency of the skills you presented in this video.
Much Thanks ! Very good information!
*Thank you Mr. Ayoob.*
I have used your teaching on this in several classes.. always great info massad ayoob…. ❤️
Thx, but I am still OWB, strong side at 4 o'clock due to comfort and draw. 20+ years this way! Always enjoy your, Ken, and Bill's videos!
Mas your dry humor is what makes these videos…to us the rest is obvious 100% best info from one of the greats…some may not have much up front that could get n front of the gun either
Thank you Sir!
Thank you sir!
Excellent video.Weigh the pros and cons.Extra care and safety simply because of where that muzzle is pointing.I carry appendix and it took a while for me to get over my fear.It is a very fast and easy draw method but be extremely focused.And trusting in a high quality firearm helps tremendously.But put a lot of thought into it before you start spending money on holsters.Everyone is different in body build and mobility.
I appendix carry most days of the week. I crawl under houses, up in attics, and drive hours at a time. Appendix is the only position that allows me to work and maintain concealment and retention and to have access while driving. I strong side hip carry when I’m wearing a suit or working outside. With appendix carry I can get to my gun while in tight confines like a residential hallway or closet. Clinch pick on the left of centerline and my 365XL on the right of centerline. And as far as re holstering goes, I can’t fathom a reason I would be in a hurry to holster the firearm after defensive use.
It's reassuring to hear someone like Mr. Ayoob both talk about the mental aspect of AIWB and that my holstering technique is just as he requires (in his classes). I guess I'm at least doing something right!
God Bless You…
I primarily carry strong side hip. 330-4 o'clock position, but find appendix to be nice, because it's quick. Especially if I'm taking the holster and sidearm out a lot, i.e. going to the bank/post office. I also like the appendix carry much better with a tuckable holster with dress clothes. It is very important to be informed, aware, and trained with any style you choose. Very good video.
To me, carrying in the 3:30/4:00 position actually feels more comfortable than not having a firearm there, it makes my lower back feel supported.
Appendix carry for the better part of 15 yrs thanks for the safety reminders.
If it helps anyone hesitant to carry- When I started carrying appendix, I carried it empty (completely unloaded) but racked for about a month or so. If there were any kinks in my protocol, wardrobe, sitting posture, seat belt interference, restroom situation , etc. I'd find out w no consequence & gain some confidence & peace of mind. After a while of everyday scenarios & finding that the trigger had not dropped, I started carrying loaded but "dry racked". A month or so of that I had sufficient confidence to go ahead & carry Condition 1 with no real increase in anxiety or concern, though I still use the same care, attention, & strict diligence that I did on Day 1. Hope that's useful. Be safe.
Particularly useful at newer movie theaters that have large, plush seats that recline. It can be difficult to get to a belt gun in those big seats. I always have a 642 in an appendix holster when I go to the theater, and usually my G19 on the belt. This way, if I have to draw from a seated position, I have an easy-access option.
Thank you for addressing this issue. As a man, I’ve wondered about this myself. I don’t think I could ever feel comfortable carrying in the front.
Great advice. You HAVE to treat AIWB with the respect it deserves. Build that safety protocol (especially the draw and reholster motions) into muscle memory as part of your dry fire practice. That should be the absolute BARE MINUMUM you do if you're carrying AIWB!
It’s scary at first but well worth it once you gain experience.
No one makes more sense of concealed carry than Mr. Aoob
Enjoyed the video. I don’t appendix carry. After watching this video, I still won’t and I appreciate the video’s content. I subscribed after watching this one.
Enjoy your videos. Thank you.
Good coverage of the Subject. Thanks
Excellent presentation
Staccato,, CS 9 mm concealed carry perfect!