2021 Honda Odyssey review: Better than the new Kia Carnival?
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- The Honda Odyssey is synonymous with the people mover segment. But, we haven't really heard much from Honda lately in terms of the Odyssey. So does the latest update bring with it enough competition to take down the all-new Kia Carnival? Paul Maric gets behind the wheel to find out!
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Intro: 00:00
Exterior 00:53
Interior 02:24
Infotainment 03:41
Safety Tech 05:05
Practicality 05:58
On the road 13:13
Verdict 18:03
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Congrats to Paul🎉
He had become a father 2 weeks ago
Congrats on becoming a Dad!
That 3rd gen Odyssey is one of the all time great designs for a "regular" car. So far ahead of its time and still looks great today.
The handling is great too for a 7 seater!
No parking sensors in a car of that size, with the purpose of carrying lots of people around, is an absolute crime. Honda ought to be ashamed of themselves for such a damning omission.
I agree
Honda put sensors as aftermarket product to increase profit.. what a shame
Rear parking camera and rear cross traffic alert it’s more useful than a parking sensors😂
What does carrying lots of people have to do with parking sensors?
Please 🔒 looo9lllllllllpllo0ll
I never thought I'd see a day when a car is compared to a Kia as the benchmark. Especially the Carnival 😂
Thanks Paul for the detailed review. I have been waiting for someone in Australia to do this particular Odyssey review.
One thing you missed on one additional feature for the new 2021 upgrade - is the kick sensor for the boot to open automatically.
In the absence of space/provision for a full sized spare, it begs the question of where to put your punctured wheel if you need to change for your spare whilst out on the road carrying people/things
amazing review as usual Paul, didnt know honda adapted the awesome sequential turn signal, reckon those are becoming a trend nowdays with even aftermarket parts as well, i noticed the infortainment screen, is that the same size that got intergrated into the 2022 honday civic??
The lack of sensors and USB in the back is ridiculous. So frustrating.
360 camera is a must for these big autos. Crazy
@@lkae4 not really. Learn how to drive. Cameras are aids - you should be able to drive without any cameras or proximity sensors.
@@jerrymyahzcat I didn't mean it literally. If I meant it literally, I would be saying auto designers and execs should be committed to insane asylums for not having 360 cameras on their product.
"Learn to drive." Lol. You need to learn how to have a conversation and think figuratively.
@@lkae4 you said it was a must so to me that means it literally.
@@jerrymyahzcat Your parents, family, teachers and professors have failed you. You need to learn the difference between figurative and literal, trash talk and technical talk, symbolism, absurdism, logic, etc.
I recommend the Critical Drinker channel to start.
This honda is comparatively compact , and holds all the passenger in a descent luxury and clean finish. Soo much practicality and well designed. Easy to drive and Soo smooth.
Lack of center console can be used to store exceptionally long items between the front seats (like skis) or to grant access to the rear seats while driving in case the front passenger needs to wrangle a child. It's nice to have a few vehicles that still offer open space.
I will go with the Carnival at this time.
Great review as usual.. No. 1 fan from 20k sub to here..awesome job. I heard there's a hybrid version for the international model. Don't know the power numbers but should at least be more powerful and fuel efficient than that 2.4l thirsty engine.
Great review Paul! I wonder if you are going to review the new Hyundai Staria?
Damn this version is such scaled down compared to what Honda offers in the US.
Way better than US version
@@oneviwatara9384 Lmao, you must be high af.
@@henrybrar
Wrong, I think you need a new pair of glasses if you really think US version is better haha
@@oneviwatara9384 ,Sub for a car its way better,but if you got lots of kids not so good.
The advantage in the US version only size.
Congrats Paul!!..a good review again.....
Thanks! Another great review made my Paul as always. Watch your show every time, really enjoyed it!
As an Odyssey owner, I have some personal experience to share. I had the old 2020 VTI-L. The new one doesn’t have a 360 camera and footrest, which is not handy for me. Besides, the Aussie market only gets the lowest spec of Odyssey from Japan( their cheapest model has parking sensors and 360 camera as standard)… what a shame... These functions are super helpful in school time to pick up and drop off.
Space is one of the best features of Odyssey. I generally use the Odyssey as a four-seater (with the third row fold down). Therefore, the two captain seats can be set way back to enlarge the second row room. By doing that, there is huge room for kids and my elder parents to get in and out the car easily witou climbing those big SUV's. They can also enjoy the footrest and huge headroom during long distance driving.
In terms of the engine, not sure why Honda insists on using this old 2.4 engine ( There used to be a better Earthdream 2.4L engine in the Chinese market with more horsepower and more torque). Not sure why Honda not adapting that one on these Odyssey's. Frankly speaking, this old 2.4L engine (225NM) is fairly adequate for daily driving. Most of the Odyssey buyers only using this car on daily family commuting which therefore it is quite enough. KIA's petrol engine is much more thirsty than this and it is not quite sufficient in urban driving environments. I took 5 adults and 2 kids to Snowy mountain and carried several pieces of luggage, the car still rides really well. In my experience, using the paddle shift to actively engaging the gear-changing process will help your driving experience much smoother.
Besides, if you looking at the resale value of cars (www.commsec.com.au/content/dam/EN/ResearchNews/2020Reports/March/ECO_Insights_090320-Aspects_of_car_market.pdf), this is a report published by the Commonwealth bank which using real figures. Honda Odyssey holds its value really well. This means the lower depreciation will be a big advantage when you finishing use the car after your kids grow up and time to buy a new car.
The only two downsides I would complain about with an Odyssey are NVH and harsh suspension As this Odyssey is designed for the Japanese local market which has very good road condition. Therefore, the ride is pretty stiffy and hard on our Australian stone chip roads. Therefore, noise is a big problem. The new model with the new wheel has a new noise-reduction technology on it which should change the game. Besides, all the windows now come with double glazed windows which could also largely reduce the noise than the old model.
To sum up, if you have a limited budget ($55000 ) and looking for a car that can sometimes carry 7 people without letting anyone feeling tired onboard, Odyssey is a very good choice for you. If you have a higher budget, I do think KIA Carnival Platinum will be a very wise choice.
lol kia... its ded inside .. not reliable
Hey joey - i enjoy these reviews and with realistic examples with supporting statements . love it.
@Raymond Yin No worries mate. Glad you enjoyed it😀
Do you think the Odyssey will be suitable for 3 kids (all needing baby car seats - oldest being 4)? Checked the 2021 model out, and we think the boot space will be really small, after being compromised by the tether straps to the anchor points (really hoped Honda would have shifted them to the back of the seat instead of bottom of boot). Thinking of having 2 car seats in the back row, and mum and newborn in middle row. Also removal of 360 cameras a bit concerning for a large vehicle 😟
Late to the party here but regarding the captain's chairs... the reason for the sideways movement is to get them past the wheel arches. If you fold the third row down, you can send the captain's chairs WAY back.
Toyota's minivans (Estima, Alphard) also have this feature.
I have a 2017 Odyssey L and it looks like the 2021 has skimped on some features, like foot rests in second row and and the infotainment camera capability is not 360’ like mine. The front finish with extra glove compartment is substandard compared to mine and mine is the same 2.4 with 140kw of power. So I wonder why they have adjusted the Kw output. Regards Roland
Congratulations Mate!
The only nice thing about this minivan are the captains seat, they look nicer n sophisticated than the one in the carnival. As for the rest the Carnival is much better hand down
@Plumeria Plumeria toyota alphard is the best minivan
@@yanpasmawi5964 but it’s just so embarrassing to be seen in
Another great review, now with a kid what you are going to do about your Tesla interior?
Enjoy , love your reviews, waiting for a Jaguar xf
Hi Paul
When do you think you can get The new Toyota kloger
I’m very excited to know about it
Great review love car expert. Are there any plans to reviewing the VW transporter. Would hear about the work van
Proper family cars don't have a centre console for free interchanging of seats from front to back. Those features are mainly for driver-oriented user experience with limited accessory ports and ventilation which isn't an issue with family sized vehicles like Odyssey
I drive a 2020 Odyssey model (previous to this one) I’m still dumbfounded as to why they still haven’t included the middle console and why they eliminated the multiple USB and HDMI ports from the last one? Power on takeoff seems ordinary so that’s disappointing. What I do like are the second row captains chairs.
@paul 13:00 the spare tyre in Carnival in on the driver side and not passenger side.
Here are the reasons why I bought a Carnival over odyssey:
1. No iso or top tether points in the 3rd row
2. Only 2 front speakers for the car, that’s absurd for a top end
3. No front parking sensor
4. Servicing intervals at 10k
I wish Honda brought the Stepwagon here .
Specially the hybrid variants .
I like this, true review. Thanks
Hey Paul waiting for your thoughts and review on new kluger hybrid 2021
I think the North American Odyssey would be much better suited to Australia than the Japanese version. It's larger, quieter, and has a V6 with over 100 more hp. Also pretty sure it has multiple charging options for rear passengers. Seriously I have no clue how anyone can sell a people mover nowadays with no USB ports in back.
Well for my opinion ok?I think the Japanese is better cause I think idc about the HP cause the Japanese version is more luxury and the north America is just only a long minivan who size like a small truck but a bit elegant to look and the color interior make it can see a black thing cause for me black interior is luxury and cool and even though north American odyssey is V6 and strong engine idc about it cause I'm obsessed with the Japanese version thank God I live in indonesia And indonesia version same as Japanese version (this is just my opinion ok?)
@@Boyy23 Yeah but which is better for the Australian market?
and it looks way better, this one is ugly
@@danmccarthy4700 The V6. The 4 cylinder is way underpowered for most Aussie tastes.
hey love your work ,
i work for honda in india ,love this machine unfounfortunately honda does not sell it in india.
lovely pair of shoes.
1:09
Damn that looks sick !!
Purchased one of these over a Carnival in February and totally agree with basically everything you said Paul. It’s nice to drive but bloody slow. Once it’s up and going though it’s not to bad. Couldn’t believe when it arrived that there was no parking sensors, didn’t even think to check when ordering. Also Japanese spec comes with a centre console and a larger drivers arm rest. I’ve tried ordering but no success
Yes it’s sad that they omitted parking sensors, which should be standard for this vehicle. Heck, even the old Tarago has both front and rear sensors as standard. I’m saying that, we ordered our odyssey on the weekend and added parking sensors as an option.
Good review. Nice seats, and then just so many silly decisions by Honda.
i wish theyd bring this same exterior design to the us odyssey
Where do u put your flat rim that’s now mucky when you’ve replaced it with the spare....I loved my RB1 but this is such a huge compromise..if your gonna go American then bring the massive American version. Enjoying my Carnival now bar the 14L/100km petrol usage.
You should also review honda insight..don't know if it's available in Australia though.
Nah we don’t get it here, Honda australia never gives us the good models, 90% of Honda Australia’s cars are built in Thailand
@@HughRussell06 too bad..seems like a great car with a nice design.its overshadowed by Prius and other hybrids
Unfortunately it's not sold here.
@@CarExpertAus too bad...how is the baby doing by the way
I love the shape of this than the ones here in the US. The back lights are kool and not the crab claws like the ones here as well.
100% agree it's high time HONDA should bring Turbos if CVT's are to be continued..
I think they avoid mounting anything too powerful as CVTs cannot handle as much power/torque as a regular auto
I don’t think you can get a console as option becuase my freind has an odessy 2021 and no option for the console
the carnival is the best people mover by far
Your right
It does look like it at the moment!
@@CarExpertAus Can you make a video of a MG Gloster ? Please.. 🙏🙏
Unless Toyota can bring sienna here, there is no real competitor for Carnival.
V6 petrol expensive to run and diesel with its requirements of warming up and down the engine to maintain it or else the particulate filter needs to be replaced which is additional 4K bet you the dealer didn’t mention that to you has to be driven hard once a week to burn off trapped particles of exhaust, just needs hybrid power to fix these issues
I dont get how this is practical if you have 3 kids car seats. Youd have to put one in the second row and two way in the back... Or 2 in front and one at back. Access to clip them in would be hard no matter how you do it.
And then where do you put rhe pram? Wont fit in the tiny boot.
If youre a family if 5 how is it not better to go for something like an outback with a wide back seet and fit 3 seats across and have a huge boot?
10:25 wow best feature of the car
Helped a mate who was expecting their 4th child compare the Odyssey and Carnival. Agree that the Honda feels more premium inside (Kia's 'leather' is very plasticky). Biggest difference though was the outright size. The Kia is wider and longer and his wife found it just too large. Honda was narrower and easier to drive. That being said, she really didn't like either (because they were vans) and ended up with a CX-9! Really enjoy your reviews Paul....keep up the good work. cheers.
Yes agree with the size of the Carnival being longer and wider than the Odyssey. As a family of 7 we also had a look at the CX9 on the weekend and was not good enough in terms of third row space and accessibility (kids didn't like having to move the second row of seats every time they have to go to the back), boot space was also minimal. So in the end we decided to go for the Odyssey as it had more space on all rows and more boot space.
@@clb1617 how old are your kids? Do you require car seats? We will have 3 car seats with oldest being 4yo. Thinking of having 2 car seats in the back row and mum and baby in middle row. But worried that the tether straps to the anchors in the bottom of the boot (instead of being backs of the seats) compromise a lot of boot space and not have much usable room left for pram and stuff.
@@LSquareDYTC We only have our 5yo in a car seat now. The tether strap is somewhat in the way, but it's still ok for the kids to put their school bags in the boot with no problem.
that is bizarre, no parking sensors for such a large vehicle. doesn't seem to be a digital speedo either?
I can't imagine why the designers would deliberately omit parking sensors on such a big vehicle..What could possibly be the reasoning for this??? KIA Carnival hands down!
Honda has at least two versions of the Odyssey for different markets...the US version should have parking sensors, as it's bigger than the Asian/Australian version (this one). Also, different designs, different engine/transmission. The US version uses a 3.5 V6 from the pilot and a new 10 speed automatic transmission. Also, the US odyssey has digital gauges and an infotainment screen designed by Honda. Don't know why they'd make two different versions of the same car.🤷🏽
You right about the self parking
Agree with you there. Front and rear parking sensors should be standard on this vehicle.
@@clb1617 we get parking sensor with 360⁰ camera and parking assist in indonesia
May I ask you when to expect the new Kluger review ?
DAB+ digital radio isn’t really needed when you have smart phone mirroring as you can steam hundreds of digital channels using a smartphone app. If you don’t have Mobile coverage to stream, chances are you would be out of DAB coverage also.
You should have mentioned the Driver 1 and Driver 2 features of the 2 key fobs. Each fob remembers settings same as memory seats buttons do but using a given fob does it automatically as soon as you unlock the setting change to those defined by that given fob.
Disappointment! No parking sensors in a top spec? And no USB in the second and third? I’d rather compromise some features (automatic door slider) for those.
3:25 what is the name of the tool?
Some odd choices, especially that spare-wheel placement.
I wonder why the 1.5T from the Civic wasn't considered for this?
Keep up the good work in any case.
IMO, the 2.0t from the Accord with its 10 speed automatic transmission would have been a much better power train than the 1.5t with the CVT. You'll get more power (about 250HP) and a smooth engine. For comparison, the US odyssey uses the V6 from the pilot with the same 10 speed automatic transmission. That makes about 280HP. This 2.4 is the base engine in the CRV, I believe.
Honda should bring the 2.0 T or hybrid engine to Australia. We miss out so many great products. Come on Honda Australia.
Honda are culling dealerships and changing their business model. I think they are setting RRP and removing negotiations from dealers and buyers. They are trying something different or just struggling!
The Kia for me.
Congratulations 👶
20k more bro.
the funky door opening motion might be great for some people with disabilities ;)
no center cosole is a godsend!!! one of the reasons why the odyssey is so good
I'm a new Odyssey owner, chose it over the carnival because of the interior. It's hard to tell via video reviews but when you sit in one you really notice a difference. More spacious, the seats are like a gold-class movie theatre. It's quiet and luxurious. Paul's right the engine isn't great when going up steep hills but it's not a deal breaker. Other than that it's a lovely driving experience. Get out and test drive one I guarantee you'll enjoy it
i understand what you mean. But that ancient 2.4 with cvt would definitely be a deal breaker if I was buying, wish they put in the 10-speed atleast. non-turbo cvts are horrendous.
Anyway, cheers for not buying a suv!
Bet you've probably dented BOTH the rear and front bumpers due to nil parking sensors!!
@@TheHayabusa09 I installed some aftermarkets :p
We also bought one last weekend and just waiting for the car to arrive at the dealers. After test driving one, I was generally pleased with it. Also getting front and rear sensors installed.
Paul please review your tesla!
Spare tyre? That worst placement especially if it’s raining n having kick kids out of the way to get to the spare tyre. No USB points? I think Honda needs update their platform with functionality.
I would go for Carnival ANYDAY
The 'side door swipe' is for when you have your hands full carrying your kids and can't reach the handle nor your key. You can use an elbow to unlock it and put the kids in!
Yeah, I can see that. I'd also argue that you could easily just briefly pull the handle as well.
People movers are also often used by people with disabilities so maybe it has to do with that?
whatever version of the Odyssey y'all get Down Under isn't the same one we get here in the States the design is very much JDM style that isn't sold here
Production of Honda Odyssey to cease by March 2022. Sad to hear another people mover to be axed in their lineup.
I doubt if this car has market in Australia. Tyre in the middle should be ok. I don't remember ever changing tyre and I have done a road trip to Uluru from Melbourne.
Lucky you! I had two in a month recently 😅
Could've used the 1.5T from the CRV I think in this.
Well if honda is not bringing in hybrid model, we should be able to privately import under SEVS. Warranty would be an issue but Honda's are pretty reliable.
We ended up buying the ViLX7 blue Odyssey over the Carnival due to it's more smaller size, which will make it easier to park and not taking too much space on car parks and garage. I know someone who has a Carnival and avoids parking next to other cars, because of the amount of space it takes especially on tight parking spaces. I know the 2.4 under powered cvt engine is a let down, but after test driving one on the weekend around the suburbs and on the motorway, it was sufficient enough to transport all 7 of us on board. And top of the range model was far more cheaper than the Carnival platinum brand new. Reliability wise - long term Honda may be better.
well im convinced
I’m looking for a car with NO centre console so I can move quickly to the back. Thankyou Honda. Best cars I’ve ever owned
Yeah I really wanted this to work for a 14K price difference on the Carnival top spec. Carnival destroys Odyssey on back storage. Hope the bank loves me!!!!
I love this design😍
Yes I agree. The design on this is better looking than the previous 2018 upgrade.
If you the best people mover, get the 3rd gen Odyssey and turbo charge the engine, you can get them to 400hp or 1000hp if you do a engine rebuild. Would still be a lot cheaper than the carnival and more fuel efficient. If you don't want to stuff around just get the carnival
14:33 hello camera man 👋
The sitting position in 2nd and 3rd row is very bad. Not enough thigh support.
Vi-LX7? Sounds like the next chip from Intel! The lower sporty version looked much better, bu at least it’s not an SUV! (Still, give me a wagon any day)
Weak and noisy engine, no parking sensors, no digital radio, no USB ports in the second and third row, and the cherry on top, that weird location for a small spare wheel
guess the space between two front seats, could be used to store your full size wheel, if you get a puncture while traveling with family.
I love Honda and Odyssey in particular, but something went wrong here. And why Honda not bringing a hybrid version? guess, its not really economical.
Thanks for great review.
My parents had a 95 Odyssey when I was little, I loved it. Was practically a family member in its own right.
Gotta say this one doesn't inspire any nostalgia, bit drab & not a lot of passion. Honda needs to take some notes out of Kia's book or make it more car-like once again.
You are hiding the fact carnival is bigger and falls under the minivan category. This honda technically still falls under MPV category. I have been following this MPV for long and that's the classification from history
Honda needs to use simpler names for their trim levels instead of “VTI-LX7” or something like that
In America it's much more simpler... Elite is the top trim, then there is Premium.. u know
@@cyrilthomas9730 yeah, for example with the civic, it’s vti, vti-s, vti-l and vti-lx
Very true! It's hard to make sense of some of the model lines.
RS is a start, but yeah
I think this naming of trim levels is only for Asia and Australia. In the US, the trims are LX, EX, EX-L, touring, and elite. I'm not sure if there's a trim above elite.
This hasn't come to the states yet.. Hmmm ... and there are 3 all new minivans :- Carnival, Sienna and Pacifica... Maybe it will come soon
Potentially!
the Odyssey in the States is different than Asia & Australia’s. Ours is a tad smaller and doesn’t have a V6.
The Pacifica is more of a refresh than a redesign. So that brings the number of all new minivans in the US to two..the sienna and the carnival
This is the Japanese model. The US market has a totally different design Odyssey.
How the hell does this thing have blind spot monitoring but no parking sensors? They went to the trouble of installing and wiring up sensors on the rear quarter panel but not the bumper bar? What a weird and stupid cost saving measure.
Honda could have used the 1.5 Turbo engine from the Stepwagon currently being sold overseas for power increase and better fuel efficiency.
Weird that my parent's 2014 Odyssey has a 360 degree camera, but the top spec 2021 Odyssey doesn't. It is sorely needed. And the engine struggles massively with a full load, especially while going uphill. It struggled to even do 50 with the foot hard down when we had to pick up speed after slowing down for a pulled over cop.
Yeah it's such a joke of an engine in a vehicle that weighs 1800kg!
The reason there is no centre console in the middle of the front seats is to allow walk through access from the front seats all the way to the third row. I believe in some overseas markets, the Odyssey has a centre console.
The sideways adjustment of the second row (10:12) allows you to put the seats together. When the third row seats are folded away, you can push the second row seats all the way back to create a very spacious 4 seater arrangement. You will have to remove the metal stops in the rails (visible in 11:09) before you can push the second row back. Those things are there to prevent you from pushing the second row seats back when the third row is occupied.
Initially I thought that the omission of parking sensors are a problem, but with the very good 360 camera, I hardly miss it anymore once I get used to the car.
A disappointing thing about this generation of Odyssey is that the rear suspension is changed to a torsion beam instead of the independent rear suspension of the previous model. The ride might be comfortable up front, but it is not great in the rear.
I own the pre facelift version of this Odyssey. The advantage over the Kia Carnival would is that the Odyssey is a more compact car to park in the city, nicer second row seats. The negatives of the Odyssey: 6 month or 10,000km service intervals. Shorter warranty than Kia's 7 years.
Good stuff！totally agree with you as an current Odyssey owner. He didn’t mention that Honda canceled 360 camera on this new model which now only equiped with a reverse camera. This is insane.
@@joeyl5919 I didn't realise Honda deleted the 360 camera on the new model. That is a crazy decision. I assume that the park assist feature would be lost as well because that required the 360 camera to work.
It would make more sense to be able to open the sliding doors by waving your foot under it rather than waving your hand at it. If my hand is free to wave at it, it’s free to pull the handle. And if my hand isn’t free, I still can’t open the door.
Also they really should put the 1.5 turbo from the CRV in this car.
Please do a Mustang GT. Thank you.
I don't understand why they get rid of 360° camera and footrest for second row and no USB at back seat. I don't think honda can survive in Australia. I visited one of dealership, they don't have any displayed car for test drive and told me just visit website!! Good luck!
Yes agree with you there and would prefer if they did not have the star wars sliding door tech system and just kept the pull up curtain shades for the rear windows, which was in the previous 2018 upgrade. Dealers are short on stock from what I have been told as most were built in Dec 2020 and people are actually buying the 2021 model prior to the Honda changes taking effect on 1st July.
Wow that spare wheel under the second row passenger feet placement is a terrible design. How can you ever sit comfortably with your feet being forced pointing upwards all the time.
this looks much smaller than in one here in the U.S.!
My sister has a series 1 1996 Odyssey 430k on original engine and transmission- super reliable and more dynamic than this outdated one - check the suspension spec Paul as they’ve gone backwards in engineering and tech so Honda today struggling in our market with recent cut to dealer numbers
The US version is totally different. I don't get that. I think ours has a much better interior but the Aussie one looks better outside. Definitely not the same grille we use.
That's why I drive a v6 Odyssey from the early 2000's still drives strong and will take down a carnival in performance and quality. Cheers.
come race bro 😫get a taste of that korean horsepower
VTEC for life @@burningbones
Honda is going to lose their market share with CVT in such a big car and underpowered engine.
They’re stopping sales in Japan after this year.
Not much of under thigh support in 2nd & 3rd row.. long touring might tire you out… Kia carnival is very good in this segment especially 2nd row
Maybe the designers went to lunch and forgot about the centre console ~~~~
The 3rd gen was the best looking , it went downhill from there.
Both Kia and Honda ppl movers aren't for families and fail to provide the ease of access for 3x kids seats. The US version of the Odessey has the second row seats which are able to slide over to the other side, allowing an adult access to kneel in from the door and buckle kids into the third row. It is a pity Honda didn't come out swinging, I'd prefer it to a Kia.
truthfully feel so bad for the eu (and other places) odysseys.
The rear windows go down......wow
This thing needs a K-swap. Then it might be a more practical people mover :). And CVT is a deal killer. Can't imagine anything worse in something hauling a decent amount of weight
It literally has a K series engine you dope, and one of the later and more powerful examples.
its got a k24