SHOP TALK: STORING KBS DIAMOND CLEAR (Best Practices)
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Here's my approach to storing and working with KBS. Thanks as always for stopping by. In addition, check out my written tutorial on the FB pages. This is mostly a storage related video.
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Its great to see you highlight using the respirator. Theres so many you tube lure makers slowly doing themselves great harm. I found this out the hard way. 2 collapsed Lungs and an operation.
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Looks like plastic wrap is a little better than the storage bags for sealing like everyone was using back when I first started about a couple years ago then had to take a break from it for family life. Thanks for taking the time for the video.
Thanks for watching...
I would use a tall glass jar ,and not a big belly one ,for a reason, if you are a little shaky, you will bum it on the side, on the way up , you can dip a longer lure or a float . A two by two inches ideal.The more shorter and the wider it is. The more oxigin it will absorb. Which is not so good for it. Use the seal also.
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Thank you for the very informative video. I just got some of this paint but did not receive the nice instruction sheet you got. I would recommend not storing this in a glass container however. I would drop it. If that is all you have store it in a smaller glass jar so if it does get dropped less is lost and less mess.
I thinking of getting to do lures I use createx airbrush paint for everything I do
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I can see why you haven't had any problems like most have. If you go through it a lot and dip many lures per week you wont have any problems. The faster you use the stuff the better. Great video on how to store. I still prefer alumilte UV Havent had any problems with it at all.
I’ve heard good things about UV!
Wow. I just bought a small one pint can of the KBS to try out as my two part epoxy isn’t the finish I like. Well. $65.00 for a one pint can. Wow expensive but I’m going to give it a try. The Alumi I’ve isn’t available in Canada to purchase
Thank you, I am just starting out on bait painting and this was helpful
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Very good information in this video for a new lure maker like myself
Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for stopping by 🙂
The plastic wrap is not so much to seal the paint it’s to act as a barrier so the lid doesn’t weld shut when the clear dries between the lid and can
I used Art Resin for a year...then I went to KBS...not even close....KBS is the best product...goes on thinner and harder
Hey this is a damn good idea to store it in pickle jars :)) My daughter eats tons of pickles so lots of jars haha
Lol
Good looking crawdaddy...
Flex-Seal solidifies in the can too. To expensive to lose it that way.
hi, two questions: 1. why you didn't use your respirator after you have opened the jar lid and dipped the lure? 2. what cartridge would you recommend for KBS DiamondFinish? what about cartridge for airbrushing Createx candy2o? Thank you
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KBS originated in Australia
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Would using a vacuum sealer that utilizes a canning jar and lid along with the vacuum sealer attachment be a better option by removing the air in the jar?
Hi what kicks off kbs is moisture so humidity plays a big factor inthe kbs curing. Drier the climate the better for storing kbs. Love kbs but can’t really use it as the high humidity where I live make it go off real quick no matter how it is stored. 3months and a can is jelly
Awesome video. I know it is old but hoping you see this.
How long would you say it lasts for? I definitely stored mine incorrectly and got very thick.
Curious what the shelf life is with a proper storage.
Thankq
Hard to say specifically, I have a jar I've been using for over 2 years now with no issues. I don't use it as frequently as I used to when I just did crankbaits. Swimbaits require more care and KBS doesn't make a product that I like well enough shooting through an auto spray gun. They have a 2 part product called Maxx, but I use Tamco instead. Hope that helps!
@@Jekyll424 thanks for the info!
I have a jar that seems liquidy but thick at the same time and I’ve been heating it up a little bit inside a towel warmer to make it more of a liquid but then goes back to semi thick again in a matter of minutes… is it still good if I heat it up more to melt it back to its natural form and then use the paint saver or just trash it and get a new one
Probably time to get a new one. Most likely exposed to oxygen too long
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Once ot jells in the jar how do you get the jar clean so you can reuse the jar with a new batch of kbs.
I believe the number one issue people have is temperature control. I store mine in a cabinet in my basement which is the same temp and humidity all the time. I have never had an issue with KBS.
Just a thought after watching your video, how about cutting a hole in a second lid and use it when dipping. This would protect the jar rim. Thanks for your tutorial.
It got cold in my paint booth over winter. The kbs was hard, I went to dip the lure and it was hard. I am presently trying to give it a warm bath in the Mason jar. Have you heard about doing this and does it work? Have you had this to happen before?
Generally when it’s hard that’s the end of its life. Any time it gets below 60° for an extended period of time or is exposed to air, this can happen.
Does the kbs diamond finish in the spray can work just as good as dipping a lure in the can.
No. Completely different animal. As much as I love the dipping sauce, the aerosol version is underwhelming
very useful video thanks
I just recently got into KBS as a Clear Coat. What do you think of using the FoodSaver Mason Jar sealer? I used it once so far and it did reseal the jar. Thoughts?
no bueno. Use (or rather, REuse) a single component lid like a spaghetti jar or olive jar. Mason lids give too many opportunities for air leaks.
I’m gonna start using this product to restore plastic headlights,what should I pour it in to transfer it to my little touch up air sprayer?
Looks like a great! product but over $100.00 shipped to Canada for a quart.
You can buy it in Canada from one of their dealers for $65.
How long does it take to cure? After 36-48 hours it is still a little "soft", not quite completely cured?
I can clean the lures and dress them after 8 hours when they’re in temperature controlled area (around 70-80°F). A little slower in cold temps below 65°, but I like to let them cure for a couple days before I send them out
what Cartridge/Filter do you use in the mask?
Hello
Do you use some product to prepare the lure before dipping it?
Thank you for your videos and best regards from Spain!
No. Nothing to prepare.
Great video.
Thanks G!
Howdy from Texas Jekyll424, a excellent explanation that’s easy to understand and apply. I was wondering with the prices of glide baits, is there a company you have good results with when buying blanks ? By good results I mean baits that produce a good “S” motion when retrieved. If so who do you recommend for buying blanks from ? Thanks again =):}
A lot depends on which style you’re looking for. Longer bodied baits like trout and perch or gill body like a Bull Shooter style. I’ve gotten a few dependable blanks from Shelts over the years, and from Dinger and Cedar Run here in the States. Wherever budget allows I always recommend going with the real deal. But I have bought blanks from the companies I mentioned
How could i dip a whole floater
Have you had any issues with the kbs staying tacky?
there were a couple of batches about a year and a half ago that had a couple issues. KBS replaced them for me immediately, and so my best advice is to reach out to them via their website, and also to purchase from their website directly. Often times warehouse clearing centers like Amazon will have stock that is well out of date and unfortunately is most likely not stored properly.
How do you dip a popper with a "cupped" front end so that you don't get a blob of paint in the cup or lip of the cup?
I have video on it I think my Bullfrog popper in my sessions playlist has it.
Can you use a airbrush to spray kbs? Have you ever tried and what paint would you recommend for airbrushing foam bobbers and lures thanks.
Ventilation ? I loved the video. Now you have another subscriber. I’m brand new to airbrushing. Am using acrylics and KBS Diamond Clear. Do you use some type of ventilation system for your airbrushing & clear coat application? If so, does it effect your temperature/humidity control (I’m in the Deep South) And if so, any advice to a newcomer on a relatively inexpensive vent fan The explosion proof fans are $$$$. Thank you Mark.
Thanks for the tips! Quick question, do you think a Pint size of KBS would be to small to dip baits into?
If you transfer it to a taller thin glass jar it should be ok. I don’t recommend keeping the KBS in the container it came in. The air will cause it to harden faster than you can use it
Hello, i produce some handmade crank and jerkbaits, in europe getting a decent epoxy is not very easy, after trying a couple and having some issues i am tired and wanna go for the kbs. I am just not sure if kbs would be as good for handmade wooden baits as it is for plastic. Any idea? thank you very much
KBS is not Epoxy as stated above. It is resin.
What is the advantage of dipping the whole bait into the KBS? Is it just a easier method? I'm curious if it will have an affect on the action of the bait or if its thin enough after it drips off to have little to no effect on the bait what so ever. Thank you once again for bringing your knowledge to your fellow lure designers.
It’s thin. Has no effect on swim action :)
Cling wrap is not my friend!
Love the content, great job! I'm new to dipping with KBS and the first 2 lures have a streak, like a run, even with hanging head to tail and using a drip wire. Any advice? Thanks
explain the streak. Like a patch that didn't get covered in clearcoat? Or a streak pf paint that has run underneath the clearcoat....??
@@Jekyll424 the streak is in the clear. I think I figured it out though, the top layer of KBS had a cloudy film that had started to set and it was running causing what looked like a streak in the clear. I spooned that layer of cloudy product off and it's been great after that. Thanks for getting back to me
@@Jekyll424 how do you thin kbs diamond
Do you just dump it in a funnel into the jar?
No funnel but yes
Glass jars of proper sizes are becoming tougher to find but I always seem to have an excess of clear plastic jars from instant coffee for example. I know glass will always be the best to use but do you think I can get away with using the plastic jars?
No. They can potentially get eaten through
@@Jekyll424 Thank You. That was my concern as well.
Do you dip once or twice
Twice
I've tried once but not twice I will try to dip one twice
What about using a mason jar is sealed
Can you help me? my kbs is gitting thicker. is there and way to thin it? thanks
There is, but usually when it thickens its due to over exposure with oxygen. Xylene products will thin it, but the chemical is flammable so be careful how and where you store it. Check the KBS site. I think they have a product
Do you have any notion of how many dips you get out of a quart can? I don't build a ton of lures and want to buy as little as possible. TIA
Danny Branch 300-400 on a quart.
Also, great, informative video!
How do you pour the kbs into a glass jar? You just pour it in or you have to slowly do it?
Pour slowly.
@@Jekyll424 ok thank you very much 😊😊😊
Can you store in a mason jar?
You can but I prefer a single solid piece lid. Two piece lids leak air a good bit
Hi, I’ve been getting air bubbles on my lures. I dipped very slowly, never re-dipped the lure. The KBS looks clear (no bubbles in it). Do you know why I’m getting the air bubbles on my lures? Thanks!
Will answer in detail tomorrow. Lots of possible factors
@@Jekyll424 thanks! The bubbles appear mostly on top and upper side of the lure. No bubbles on the sides and bottom of the lure
@@Jekyll424was this question answered I have the same problems
I am seeing some horror stories about KBS being stored improperly even with plastic being applied under the lid. I purchased the 16 oz KBS and a 16 oz Ball mason jar. I will be using the plastic, but do you believe that that the secure locking lid mason jar will be sufficient? Just like anyone else, i don't like throwing money in the trash.
Mason jars are NOT recommended. Single solid lid with plastic in between.
@@Jekyll424 i appreciate the timely response and i will share the info. I am part of a FB group called "Tackle the Dream" that was created by Zach Baker of Baker Builds. A lot of normal 9-5 guys doing what they love on the side, painting, building and modifying baits. Thanks again!
I have noticed that in some videos you mention using more than 1 coat of KBS. Why in some cases would you use more than 1 coat....targeted species maybe?
Jeremy Street you guessed it! The more teeth, the more layers!
Hi. Do you stir your KBS before using? And if so, with what?
No. I do not stir it 🙂
@@Jekyll424 Thanks so much for your reply. I read in the instructions that KBS says to stir it. I am just about to open a new can.
Do you ever thin your KBS?
No
Hi just wondering how many times do you dip each bait
2 times, and 3-4 for toothy critters target baits
Jekyll Productions thankyou
Do u add anything like water to it or u just dip ur stuff right into it
DO NOT ADD ANYTHING TO KBS. Ever. Just dip and hang
Can I put kbs in a plastic container after I open and use it?
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
NO NO NO NO NO
ABS lure plastic is different than the stuff you'd likely store it in. It will eat through in seconds
Jekyll Productions what can I use to clean out my touch up spray gun after use?? Thx
Hello is diamond clear safer to breathe than epoxy? I’d have to apply and leave on my turner in my house - epoxy has scared me..the danger of the fumes. How safe is this? While it’s curing
SafER, but still requires a respirator. The odor is usually gone within an hour or so
@@Jekyll424 thank you. What about while it’s curing - we’d be in the house. Would placing a box over the turner while it’s curing help with fumes? There is a window in my office area where I’ll be doing my work that I can open
@@shannonwithperfectlyluna1151 You don't want it curing in the house with you.
I just dipped a lure 4 hours ago and it has this little spot where it isn’t drying and it had kinda made a little bump that didn’t level out. Do you know why it would do that? I touched it and it pulled off the excess right now and it leveled itself. Left no finger print. The other two I dipped are good. Do you think it will eventually cure in that spot? It’s on the cooler side here right now and super dry.
Sometimes there are traces of oils and residue left on the bait. It can have that effect
@@Jekyll424 Thanks! It did end up curing and when I took a look at it in brighter light, I can see that the “bump” had run down the whole top of the bait from the top of the head all the way down leaving a section that looks like it didn’t get coated so something must’ve been on there. Such a bummer. It was for a custom order *screaming internally* 😭😂
I'm interested in the craw you dipped, have a link for it?
Please email me at jenkravassi@gmail.com
Jekyll424 sorry it took so long, was out of town today, but email sent
Are you able to use your small spray gun to apply ,I can’t find info on spray guns using the product and cleaning thanks
I’ve never used an airbrush to apply my clearcoat. I don’t have a solid answer for you on this question. Apologies.
Do you absolutely have to wear a respirator mask?
I have 2 kids under 4. I work from home so they are with me 24/7.
I wanted to look for something safer than epoxy. I have never used it but I don't want to eve risk it with my kids around.
Is this the same thing as epoxy when it comes to ppe?
I'm currently using brite tone and it's been great, but I've had some issues with peeling. So I would like to try something else to see if I would have better luck.
Yes. Always use a respirator. The vapor is not long lasting, but I strongly encourage you to read MSDS sheets on any product that produces a chemical based odor. Over time ANY clear or Epoxy can cause neurological damage.
MSDS sheet is the data safety sheet and can be found on the KBS coatings website.
@@Jekyll424 could you use the a exhaust fan so vapers are pulled out side and not use a respirator that is what I was trying to do or is that not a good idea.
Even with a good exhaust a respirator is necessary.
Have you shot it with an airbrush?
Yes. But you need the right airbrush to do it
@@Jekyll424 so in the 6 months after leaving this comment I got the thinner from kbs that goes with the diamond coat. Shot maybe 100+ fishing lures with an iwata eclipse. Good results with multiple light coats, and special care to clean the gun real quick after spraying.
Hi Jekyll424, it is me, Youngjedi. I am about 10 lures into airbrushing (AND LOVING IT!) and i am using KBS. Due to my budget, I am using the 14 dollar sample pack still. I am going to experiment with pour-on envirotex, Have you found anything that can be considered a "poor mans" KBS?
You might want to try some of the Automotive 2K Clears out there. Those words are the “search string” if you’re looking online
Epoxy is really the poor mans KBS in my minds eye. SprayMax 2K Aerosol is a great spray clear with hardener but you MUST use it all at once because once you mix the hardener in the aerosol can you'll have about 12hrs to use all the clear before it hardens in the can. It runs around $20-$25 a can
Hello i looked u up just to let you know there is a person recommending to usethis product as a epoxy like product for tumblers is this useable for human use please let me know
No. I don’t believe it is safe for uses like that. But I have never researched it. Please go check the source on this!
www.kbs-coatings.com/contact-us.html
Thank you for such a quick responce i contacted the company and they say yes it is usable for tumblers but to follow instructions to the letter so thank you and you do beautiful lures to bad am scared of live fish lol
will you send to.Australia kbs
You may have access to it through Amazon if you have that option.
www.kbs-coatings.com.au/locate-a-reseller/
thats about 50 grands worth.
I have one and it got christalizes , can I save it some how?
Unfortunately once it’s in that stage it won’t be salvageable 😢
Homebrew bottle caps...some...have oxygen removers in them.....hmmmmm.
Hmmmm ❤️