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The early protagonist's Stands have to do with ghostly tropes. Star Platinum - Telekinesis Magician's Red - Pyrokinesis Hermit Purple - Spirits appearing in photographs Hierophant Green - Just...regular..possession, I guess? Silver Chariot - Possessed suit of Armor
Me talking to my mom the music nerd about jojo Me: a lot of the chareacters are named after bands and songs like Green Day, Killer Queen, and Led Zepplin Mom: cool Me: There’s also one named Vanilla Ice... Mom:... He’s the bad guy right? Me: ...Yes? Mom: Good
It’s worth noting that the role of Holly’s illness is the reason Jotaro decided to even embark on this odyssey. Baring assassins like Kakyoin, he has no motivation to go after DIO at the beginning of SC, the only people who do being Joseph and Avdol. When his mother’s life is threatened by DIO’s blood curse, he does decide to go because whether the OVA shows it or not, Jotaro loves his mother (this is shown in the recent anime and the original manga as Holly charges to rescue Jotaro from prison, as her cherished memories of him being a lovely son play out in their sepia glory), whether or not the disrespectful shit shows it.
Considering how human history and fiction has been bathed in a blood-soaked orgy of tragedy, I don't think happy endings are all that overrated, whether they be the family friendly variety or the kind you find in a soap city parlor.
Actually, I thought Samurai Jacks series finale was pretty solid. I may have said Happy endings may not be overrated, but, a bittersweet or sad ending is still an valid ending if it is pulled off effectively.
But that ending was NOT pulled off effectively!! It was a frigging rip-off of Gureen Lagaan!! He better pray Ganax studios never sees that or he's on the receiving end of a lawsuit! And that ending was NOT solid it was a throw together mess that made no damn sense at the end! And Jacxk was heartbroken! He was miserable! How can you say it was solid, you LIOKE seeing him sad and lonely?! You DO?! Did we wait 13 years for that?!~ You may have...BUT I DIDN;T AND I WANT A DO-OVER!
okay...I doubt Gainax studios would get riled up. Disney made Atlantis: the Lost Empire which in essence was similar to Nadia: secret of the blue water, which said anime in turn was inspired by Jules Verne's Journey to he Center of the Earth. The creators deny watching Nadia, but the similarities remain. Gainax, in turn had Gunbuster and Evangelion, both of which were influenced by Yoshiyuki Tomino's Space Runaway Ideon, Gunbuster less so in terms of basing the titular mecha's design off the Ideon, while the film End of Evangelion had an apocalyptic conclusion similar to the conclusion of the film Ideon: Be Invoked, which the latter had an ending inspired by Arthur C. Clarke's Childhoods End's conclusion. Whether or not Gainax filed suit for Atlantis, or if the would go on and sue Cartoon Network for Samurai Jacks Ending, it would be Hypocritical to do so considering how many of Gainax's works were derivative from other fiction. Though I do not shame them for deriving narrative considering how fiction in general is derivative.
I as an Anime/manga fan who also happens to be a Muslim, the whole situation with the Quran didn't bother me, because as Sage said its mostly due to miscommunication and cultural error than malicious intent because after all one of the heroes of Stardust Crusaders Advol (original named Abdul after pop singer/OG American Idol judge Paula Abdul but was changed to Advol to avoid copyright), is supposed to be a muslim himself. As for the buildings that looked mosques being destroyed in the manga's original print, that didn't bother me either since you know there are works of media in Japan that had scenes of their own religious monuments being destroyed.
Im not affiliated with any supersitious faith or religion so its really hard for me to grasp what the problem is with those scenes. Is it the implication that Dio is a bad guy because he reads the Quran? Or is it more about Dio having read the Quran and he is being villain despite having read the godly message? What was the actual problem with Dio reading the Quran? How and why where religious feelings of so many hurt by that scene, it really doesnt make any sense to me. Would it been okay if Jotaro read the Quran or is any depiction of the Quran regardless of who is reading it a problem? Is the depiction of the Quran just as forbidden as creating any depiction of the holy prophet? I wish i could understand it but the only reason i could see for this outrage is that muslim people are very proud people and they are also overprotective of their faith. I personally think its pretty scary that some people are so deeply, emotionally involved in their faith that they become irrational and sometimes even dangerous to others. " there are works of media in Japan that had scenes of their own religious monuments being destroyed." Why can the japanese tollerate such a fictional depiction of their monuments being destroyed without outrage but the muslims are super upset about a building that could be a mosque being depicted as destroyed in a fictional work? Why are muslims so snivering when it comes to their faith? I really dont get it and im sure i will never get it.
I hope we can get an answer from Badre Bally, I haven't seen nor read Jojo's Bizarre Adventures and I have close to 0% knowledge on Muslims and I haven't had an occasion to talk with people knowledgeable on the subject but I've been quite curious on the subject.
I highly doubt it had anything to do with copyright, considering all of the other characters' names (and the fact that you can't copyright a name). It was probably the same thing that happened to Krillin and Bulma: terrible mistransliteration.
@@MrBroken030 Muslims have been used to be portrayed as bad guys so the image of a bad guy reading pages the Quran made them believe that this was an indication that it was meant to show Islam in general in a bad light. But most Muslim Anime fans I came across just moved on.
@@Elementa2006 it's weird since there have been Bible - reading villains portrayed since Dante's Inferno. I guess it might be that many Muslims are more sensitive because they're portrayed in media a lot less overall. Still, I understand that Islam is very diverse in how it's practiced across different cultures, but the overreactions many have over this, The Message, Salman Rushdie, Charlie Hebdo, etc are a much worse look than a villain reading a book.
What I find stupid is that Muslims got offended over that and derided the OVA off as Islamaphobic, ignoring the fact that one of the Crusaders is named "Mohammed", and he's never portrayed in a way that can be interpreted as disrespectful towards their religion.
There was that old lady in Part 3; and there was Lisa Lisa in Part 2 who was a fucking badass; and Erina who raised Jorge II by herself, so that counts I guess; and then there's Trish Una in part 5; Koichi's "girlfriend" & the pink-haired ghost in Part 4; and then Part 5 (no comments necessary); so it couldn't really have been THAT with Holly
19:04 There was a mistake here in your underderstanding when it comes to the sounds Araki was talking about. He wasn't talking about the battle sounds, he was talking about the atmospheric background SFX that he drew swirling around the page as part of the art itself, representing an undercurrent of dread, of suspense or of terror. It's something you'll see all over manga today but was something Araki basically pioneered. I'm talking stuff like ゴゴゴゴゴ(gogogogogo) or ドドドドド (dododododo). Does that not sound far more similar to the sounds of horror movies and progressive rock?
Jotaro gets a little more depth in the manga/more recent adaptation, in Part 4, and especially in Part 6. Basically, his whole thing is that underneath the cool, stoic exterior, he's a bit of a dork (he's interested in marine biology and Columbo, among other things) and that he does care deeply about his friends and family. Heck, he gets badly injured for the sake of both his mom, and later, his daughter (who rightfully calls him out for being TOO stoic and not filling in her and her poor mother in on the whole Stand thing, since he was worried a violent Stand user might hurt them to get to him). Kakyoin gets a bit more depth in the manga/more recent anime too, including an anime-exclusive scene that gives him even more backstory. Basically, he purposely ostracized himself, thinking no one would be able to relate to having a Stand, and DIO manipulated the poor kid into doing his bidding, on the grounds that he'd finally have someone who felt the same way he did. Oof.
I do like the interpretation that Jotaro's stoic demeanor is partly because he finds it difficult to express himself. It's cool to see a character like that develop close friendships over time and eventually open up.
"I believe it's important to look at media within the context of WHO created it and WHEN it was created." In a time where we have one side of the internet jumping to conclusions and getting seemingly offended by anything and everything and the other side shitting on anything that comes close to an attempt not to offend people. This whole speech needs to be written in stone.
You could have said that just as well without all the hashtags, but I see your point. I'm not saying it's excusable and that everything made before the so called "SJW" movement should be given a free pass. I'm simply suggesting that what is and isn't socially acceptable changes with time and it's not all together fair to judge people based on the sensibilities they didn't know existed. Doesn't mean their behavior isn't toxic or even that it wasn't toxic back then, but it does mean that toxicity comes from a place of ignorance instead of outright malice. At least with situations like these. I'm not saying the time period of creation makes these kinds of things ok, or even justifiable, but it does make it more understandable on an objective level. And I'll say again, in a time where everyone is jumping to either side of the internet, we could really use with more objectiveness.
@@ValD98 that's objectively Falls. Me too isn't about women just wanting the accusing men of rape, its exposing the longstanding history of sexual predators in Hollywood. The term Casting Couch exist for a reason. And some of these guys - A lot of these guys attached many of these women had no desire to sleep with them. Trust me. Right to vote and be responsible for your sake as a citizen of the country. Women wanted to be recognized as cognitive human beings and not a viewed as property or a trade. To fight in the war especially bag then would be too much either for women especially with how they were seen as dainty and the fact of the matter is would have a physical disadvantage in war because of the biological advantage of man has. Or are you saying that because someone is more physically powerful that the others mental capacity should be disregarded and they should be treated differently and have different right? That the more physically capable should have their voices heard while the disadvantaged and strength and a disabled should be shoved in the background and be told to keep quiet?
@@AmazingAutist You've clearly heard way too much feminist non-sense on these topics. First of all, the women that headed the women's suffrage movement wanted voting rights only for upper class women. Had nothing to do with supporting women in general. Second, yes, women would have a biological disadvantage due to their lack of physical strength. Yet I don't see you arguing that voting discriminate against children because they're cognitively less capable than adults. Their _biology_ restricts them as less responsible than adults. Should we give children voting rights as well? Are children viewed as property or a means of trade because they can't vote? Obviously not. Voting isn't a right, it's a privilege. Besides that, before universal male suffrage due to the draft during WW1 (which was a mistake IMO) the right to vote was only given to NET tax payers (meaning people who pay more into the government than they take out in benefits). That's generally a better system since NET taxpayers are the ones responsible for their country, so they should be the ones voting on it's development. The problem with universal female suffrage is that women get so much welfare their tax payments are meaningless, so they just end up being human parasites on the economy. If we went back to the old system, most women wouldn't be voting, and in fact most them didn't at the time despite the law being gender neutral. And yes, this would indeed be 'silencing' most women, but they haven't earned a political voice in any tangible way, so they don't deserve a say in a country they're not responsible for just because they live in it, just like a child doesn't have a say in what goes on in the house. Finally, look - any person or movement that asks you to blindly believe you without question is a guaranteed scam. Yeah, some women have exposed genuine predators, but most women are simply using to get back at a co-worker for their own selfish gain. This isn't the first time a group of women has done this, BTW. Back when Jim Crow era lynchings and Salem witch hunts were a thing, most people who falsely accused men of witchcraft and rape were women. Women lie. And they lie so much because they know you'll believe them. They can't even be genuine with their face and body - what makes you think they're be genuine about rape if you don't ask for evidence, like, at least a fucking police report?
@@AmazingAutist Also, casting coach is basically actress prostitution. They sleep with the manager, he gives them a role. If they're forced to do it, it's rape, if they aren't and they just want the easy way out, it's not, it's a fucking exchange. Most of the accusations fall under the second category, because the actresses weren't being threatened with anything if they refused a producer's advances.
Wowie maui, this episode is chockfull...awesome production work and a heartfelt congrats on your 200th. I don't really know bupkiss about jojo so who better to cover it from bookend to bookend
I have to ask this. Why was it such a controversy? DIO was in a Egyptian building that appears to be some kind of library if he was trying to gain as much knowledge as possible why wouldn't he read the Quoran which would be in a place with such a large percentage of Muslims.
The Popcorn Tape - Christians are people too! WE do get offended! But we prefer to boycott and protest! Hell why do you think SNL's ratings began to plummet in March? Because we are SICK of their anti-Christian humor.
colleen Also SNL's material is always the same now. They basically have that one unoriginal skit and the rest are political about the same thing every time. So dull.
It would have to be the fact that Dio being such a horrible person holding and reading something that is holy and sacred would make them get mad. As a Muslim myself, when I first heard of this (I was already into Jojo at this point), that made me feel uncomfortable because it's a religious book Muslims hold very deeply in their hearts. After 100 years and basically never even hearing of Islam, I understand why Dio would want to read up on it. However, he is a bastard that practically denies God (anyone can see that), so him reading something religious makes it seem blasphemous and disrespectful to the book and religion.
@kevin willems the way how he writ the review makes it *sound* like jojo is only this ova thus, these are why these types of comments exist and will continue exist in reviews like these.
@kevin willems well then, why dont you tell me why the comment was made? When some one talks about a work, only talking about a part of it. then when the discusser makes sweeping remarks about the work in its entirety some one will all ways comment "WUT ABOUT (X) U UNCULTURED SWINE!?" It's just going to happen.
the whole thing about reacting to anything without thinking it through, thank you sage, if I had to pick a favorite reviewer, it'd be you, mostly because when you have to, you can show a good point and help us out, I remember your end of Video Girl Ai and after that, I had nothing but respect for you man
I dunno, complaining about lack of female characters in Jojo is kinda like complaining about lack of men in Nanoha or Pretty Cure series. Nothing really wrong with having gender targeted entertainment.
I agree. Did anyone complain about the lack of women fighters in Dragon Ball Z? Think about it, Launch was shelved, 18 was briefly a fighter twice now, Chichi was shelved, and Mai is just a kid currently. Yet of all the places to rant about it, JoJo? Really? And Sexism should have been a dead topic by last year or so.
@@jayjay86443 I wouldn't say its a deal breaker, but yeah, people do notice that, and yeah, have no problems pointing out how it sucks, especially when it comes to Videl.
oh no, they didn't JUST give Enya a new 'ability', oh no, what they did was combine the traits of two seperate characters into one. that random 'lovesmitten' woman that saves hol horse? in the manga/newer anime, she is ALSO one of the villains trying to kill the heroes, specifically the user of The Empress who as far as we can tell murdered a more beutiful woman and hid inside her corpse while using her stand to attack Joeseph. they combined the one trait (disguising herself as a beautiful woman) and gave it to Enya in the OVA, meaning they ERASED a female character. Not to mention there were at least a couple more female villains who don't appear in the OVA
An hour long video of Sage and yet this is still only the tip of the Jojo Iceberg. There is SO much to unpack beyond the OVA to truly understand Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure as a whole. For one thing Stardust Crusaders is like Final Fantasy VII. It’s the most popular of the series and it’s main hero may be the face of the series when ppl typically think of it. But it’s not the most beloved. Diamond is Unbreakable and Golden Wind are just warmly embraced. Secondly is the issue of the inclusiveness of women in Jojo. Obviously for timing reasons a lot of female (and male) characters were cut from the OVA that appeared in the original arc. As was pointed out the women who threw herself at Hol Horse wasn’t just some whaif throwing herself to him. In both the manga and 2014 anime she was also a Stand User. Her role was diminished simply by virtue the battle of Hol Horse and J Geil was too pivotal to the story to omit. Her Stand battle with old Joseph wasn’t as important. But if we just lookit Stardust Crusaders as a whole representation of the series as a sausage-fest that of course is grossly misrepresented. Not only did you have Jolyne Kujoh leading in Stone Ocean but the arc prior to Stardust Crusaders (Battle Tendency) had Lisa Lisa training Young Joseph and Ceasar Zeppeli. Also though Jojo appeals to boys cause of the escapsim of a typical battle anime; the fact is Jojo isn’t just full of men. It’s full of beautiful and sexy men. Something female fans absolutely adore; hence why Jojo has so many of them. The series is just as much fan service to women as it is to men. And finally the entire controversy on how people reacted to the inclusion of the Qaran. At the very end of that discussion Sage came to the logical conclusion that the initial reaction to it and the consequences thereafter was in fact “stupid.” So much happened due to a knee-jerk reaction e spiraled out of control to the point they had to apologize and stop distributing the DVD. Even with the Jinx controversy that took some time to have a discussion about how unintentionally offensive that was before a decision was made to alter her. With Jojo no time was given simply because by this time internet and social media was in full bloom. And what is social media other than knee-jerk reactions to controversy blown heavily out of proportion. Rarely since this episode aired has there been civil discussion about controversial topics regarding cultural sensitivity. Social media is full of reactionary rage addicts who don’t want to discuss why something is controversial. It’s controversy for the sake of controversy and people want instant justification and gratification as to why they feel upset. So while Sage was right on the mark with how we need to judge slowly…That sadly doesn’t happen in the world of social media. It’s judge quickly and execute immediately. It’s more about instant gratification than calm retrospection. And even everything I talked about isn’t even the tip of Jojo. There is always so much much much more to talk about the series as a whole. That’s also why it’s so great!
The only reason I haven't seen this anime yet is I'm still jaded by the guy who tried to get me to watch it who said to me that Cowboy beebop was boring garbage.
otakon17 I used to think the same about Cowboy Bebop. After watching Sage's Synopsis of it I bought it on DVD and rewatched it. I was wrong so, so wrong. It's now in my top 3 favorite Animes.
While I always enjoy your humor, even all the way back to episode 1, I always thought your show was at its best when it was analytical, whether it be about the anime production, the cultural context in which it was created, or even learning something completely tangential to the show itself. So having an entire hour long episode in this style, this is simply your master piece! Congratulations at 200, can't wait to see the 500th!
6:17- Wait, Joseph had a father named George, who was Jonathan's son and therefore George is Jotaro's great grandfather. Correctly, it would be great, great grandson.
Healthy Bennette is still hard to get used to, but I’m proud of him for setting a goal and achieving it. Happy 200 Lord Regent Sage, and I’m looking forward to the future my dude
I haven't watched anime abandon in a long time, but I'm happy that I stayed subscribed, it was nice to see you discussing an anime to dear to my heart. When you get down to earth and things get real, you have this very comforting way of presenting it. Grave of the fireflies, jinroh and this, it makes for very engaging watching. Something I should have said way back, Thank you for videogirl ai, the speech you gave cut straight to the core when times were dark, it still moves me even now. Thank you.
Dude... I've recently only started watching your channel (YT recommended all your old vids from 4-5 yrs ago). I started this vid and at first I thought the main star of the show had been replaced. You are amazing!
I don't remember how long ago I started watching your show, but I do feel that you have taken us on a journey into learning about anime and its history. Thank you so much.
Heh. I was introduced to this series through Antfish's abridging of it... and pop culture aside, I was pleasantly surprised by how faithful the abridging remained to the arc after I watched it proper. :D
also, I dont see how you cant quantify it as self censorship simply because there was no intended offense. they still changed something that wasnt offensive because people complained simply for them taking offense to something unoffensive. If I suddenly change, erase or omit something because _someone_ might take it the wrong way, how is that not me censoring my own creativity. Creativity should be given free reign to be what it is, without moral fearmongers shackling it down. Simple facts, there is always going to be someone offended by everything, so why should I or any other creative person second and third guess everything created because theres a chance it might offend someone.
Well, this is not the case, but in theory you could decide to do that because you unwittingly added something that changes the meaning you intended for that scene.
mollys case is not solely related to women in diamond is unbreakable we see another character not having a "strong fighting spirit" and his own stand ends up killing him this is A RULE applied to EVERY USER man women animal if your "fighting spirit" is not strong enough then your stand will harm you we have seen other stand users that ARE women but their stands do not harm them because their "fighting spirit" is strong enough to have control over it lets just say that molly was strong in nature and spirit then her stand wouldnt be trying to kill her you can have a nature like molly and at the same time have a "strong fighting spirit" for example koichi hes nice, gentle, polite person but as the arc progresses we see that he has a strong fighting spirit specially when a stand user threatens koichis family
@@LieutenantAlaki STONE OCEAN SPOILER Because they are organisms that run on survival instinct. Holly doesn't have the willingness to potentially harm others for her goals, unlike the plankton which become F.F. Also, Pucci threw in a memory DISC as well, which gave her even higher functions with which to develop a more human ability to learn and adapt, and eventually, emote.
@@GiornoGiovannaGangstar JOJOLION SPOILERS Both Sugar Mountain Spring and Les Feuilles are essentially unique cases, and don't exactly follow the standard Stand rules. LF in particular is the result of strangeness involving the Wall Eyes, than a Stand manifested by the trees individually.
And anyways Josuke himself got exactly the same condition as Holly at exactly the same time; Joseph just never knew he existed, so who would ? It was implied but never explicitly stated
Glad you finally did this. I love Jojo to death, and I believe it's such a heartfelt, creative, and intriguing work that everyone should read and experience. I've been a fan since '07, and it feels amazing to see Jojo come so far and keep going. Hell, Araki has an exhibit at The Tokyo National Art Center coming up this summer, which will be the second time a mangaka has had a solo exhibiton since Osamu Tezuka 28 years ago. If you ask me, I think it's a well deserved accolade. Also, ITTY BITTY BABY
Great episode for the most part though there is an inherent issue with the concept of "outrage as a means of agency". Yes your quote of judging slowly is spot on in every sense, but that quote only functions within the confines of those whom choose to judge on the hair trigger. As you've mentioned certain marginalized groups have pushed to gain more inclusion in media (in which they have every right to do so). The problem is that when these groups much like they have done in comics/games/ manga/news do not care for context because context is not required in the intellectual frame of mind they use to examine the world, and by proxy its media. To these individuals on both extremes there exists this Neo Hegelian thought process of deconstructing ones surroundings and media as tools of the oppressor or as means of subverting/burying or otherizing some sort of subject of people. This is regardless of intent or context, and this is evidenced in several artistic works over the past decade or so. Its very much the "everything is .... and you need to point it all out" quote thats become famous and I think its something to keep in mind that yes we must focus on progress, but not to the point in which a work loses its artistic soul or loses what made the original property special. This much has become the norm with western media in their attempts to cater and satisfy based on calculated outrage rather than what services the story. keep up the good work
Sorry I think I did not express my idea more clearly, I agree that today people get offended by everything. What I am talking about, audience members when they consume foreign piece of media like foreign books or TV must keep in mind that foreign makers do not share your cultural sensitivities and most likely not even aware of taboos or bad topics in your culture.
Satch Boogie *american people get offended by anything. You have no idea how ridiculous all this offended thing looks to a non-westerner. Like, are you all big whiny man-babies other there or something? Haven't seen a more insecure nation. A giant kindergarten instead of a country.
The old OVAs were one of my first anime series I have ever watched and I do not think I can ever forget them, even with the new anime out thanks to how they influenced me. So here is to Jojo, and also to you Sage, congrats on the 200th episode and thanks for all the time and effort you put in for us to enjoy...
*YuudiHoshi* me personally will take part 3 over those any day. Part 1 and 7 are my least favorite. I couldn't wait to finish reading 7 because I was bored to death with the stupid race and corpse parts.
WOW! Congrats on making it to 200 episodes Bennett. I think I can credit you as the person who actually got me into anime and I'm all the happier for it. Long live Anime Abandon.
I hate to have to judge a dub not on it's own merits, but I'll never be able to watch the modern series of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure in English. It's just not the same. Between the nonexistence of the glorious Engrish that's basically that series trade mark and the fact that their Japanese voices are basically forever imprinted on the characters for me I could never do it. If you like the dub, more power to you. I'll even admit the dub actually is quite good. It just not for me.
Some anime just exist better in Japanese, same way that others exist better in English (Steve Blum will always be the voice od Spike Spiegel, that's an irrefutable fact)
Nate Rivers Personally, I liked the first two arcs in English because it fit the settings, but I definitely switched to subbed for Stardust Crusaders and Diamond is Unbreakable. I watched a clip of the Stardust dub a few weeks back, just to see how it was, and all I could think was やれやれ 🤦🏾♂️
57:00 I don't think there's really anything to unpack. Oh no, the bad guy is reading a book that just happens to be one religion's holy text. Oh no, there were mosques in the background for a few fights. My question is: so what? No one would have bat an eye if Dio had been reading the Book of Mormon or some other holy book. But because it's the Qu'ran everyone pitches a fit, just like they do now. Glad to see nothing has changed in the last ten years >w>
Given that anime regularly shows fantastical and destructive versions of religions that actually ARE prevalent in Japan, I seriously doubt it was meant as a sleight against Islam. I think was purely and aesthetic choice, like NGE and all the Christian and Kabbalistic symbols.
As a Mormon, it would've gotten at most a confused chuckle out of me. In a world where "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" exists, it's so strange to me to think that people are so sensitive about fictional villains reading holy texts or destroying places of worship. If Christians can deal with something batshit as Ninja Resurrection or even just Evangelion, Muslims can deal with Dio reading a book and knocking down a couple buildings.
The whole jynx situation, its pure irony that people claim ignorance on Japan's part when its ignorant to discount Japan's culture around the influence of the character. If the character was created today and done intentionally, it would be considered a trap to bait people into contradicting themselves.
There are two kinds of peoples: the ones that pretend to NOT be racist and the others who don't. Even the "racism politics" thing was initiated to separate and to ostracize people based on their racial opinions. Every single anti-racism policy has had a targeted ostracizing effect and only changed the socially accepted target of ostracism of the day. One day it's lepers, the other: white people. Ur point is moot.
@Onemanarmylol Lol I think the original commenter is making the point that is discredited in the video: I.e.: that the people criticizing the design of the Pokémon are hypocrites, because they are claiming Japan to be ignorant of racist US history while supposedly being ignorant of Japanese culture themselves. (In the video it was argued that this is irrelevant, because the main artistic intent of making an innocent and entertaining video game trumps other creative decisions in the face of choosing to ameliorate controversy). The second comment is really fucking bizarre. I might be wrong, but I think that they are attempting to make the argument that everyone is racist in some way and that people who say they aren’t are only claiming that they aren’t. Furthermore, I believe he is arguing that policies to enfranchise marginalized groups somehow have the effect of taking power away from the social majority. (I.e.: his is arguing that pro-civil rights rights policies are somehow anti-white). I may have completely misinterpreted him though, but if this is his argument I find it ridiculous.
This episode is and will forever be special to me. Last year in May was a special time for me watching anime abandon which is saying a lot, considering much of my time even before then had been special moments with AA. I had just moved to a new home and nothing is quite like setting up in a new location just soaking in the environment especially when indulging in a favorite past time.
That was one hell of an episode. You went into so much detail on everything from the basic stuff like story, animation and characters to the creation of the anime and how hard it was to the lack of women in the anime to even the controversy over one tiny shot in the anime. You even fit a bit of music ranting. Basically, everything I love about Anime Abandon in one episode.
It should be noted that Joelyne's love interest was also originally a woman too, but producers threatened to cut funding unless they made this new female protagonist straight. He tried man, he really did
colleen i won't lie, most people I've talked to about this just pretend as if the character in question was a girl all along, and I can't help but agree. It's a weird case of headcannon being more true than the source material. Basically, we could have had a strong, female, gay character with a PRISON record, as the lead protagonist in a widely popular medium as far back as the early 80's. Imagine that. Regarding "long run" I don't know exactly what you mean, but NOTHING and NO-ONE from part 6 can be considered "long run" now.
People constantly bring up this matter, but not a single person has ever produced concrete evidence for this claim. Unless you know something I don't (and I'd love to see it, since I love behind the scenes stuff), that's just unsubstantiated rumor. STONE OCEAN SPOILERS Frankly, I don't think Jolyne's supposed to have a love interest at all, since not only is it noted that her bad experiences have made her a bit cynical about them, but also every instance of Anasui making a move on Jolyne is played for laughs, up until Cape Canaveral, and only because he offers to put his life on the line not just for Jolyne, but for the group (and especially Jotaro, y'know, to impress him). Jolyne acknowledges his effort because she's willing to hear him out if he truly does believe as strongly as he does, which isn't indicating that she's even interested in a relationship, just that she's seen that Anasui's serious.
As someone who has never sat down and watched Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, I have to admit that I was still watching this with keen interest. It's been quite a long time that I was glued to my seat, soaking in every word.Great Job Sage.
8:52 That and getting shot with an arrow made from a meteorite with an alien virus, or getting magic cds in your head, or falling into magic dirt,or absorbing the mummified remains of Jesus, or in some cases getting fused with a dead guy in more special dirt.... Or be a random tree and an actual street and you just as good *God this series is weird*
I find it strange that the use of Islamic iconography is controversial. There is media across the world that is critical of Christianity and no one bats an eye, but portray a different religion with similar roots and suddenly it's a problem. You can depict as many church burnings as you like, but destroy a mosque and it's not okay? The Castlevania anime depicts Christian priests being murdered, churches being destroyed, their entire religion being proved a hollow lie and not a single complaint was lodged against it. I don't think that accidentally including a segment of the Quran in a frame of animation is something worth getting angry over. Islam is just a religion, one of many, that, like all religions, doesn't have a place in modern society. I understand where Araki was coming from, but honestly I don't think that insulting a religion should be the big deal that was made of it given the state of the modern world
Yeah but other religious people don't blow themselves up, create protests around the world or attack studios full armed. Also they are the one with the "victim status" now (meanwhile they still preach against jews and non-believers but hey they aren't german so it is okay I guess)
That's why this OVA isn't really liked in the community. The studio behind it completely missed the point and made the story too dark/serious and the characters into cardboard cutouts. But at least the visuals are ok. On the other hand David Production did a perfect adaptation of the manga with atmosphere and characters intact. The series is self aware of it's bizarreness and uses it to it''s advantage. Should have skipped the OVA and just watched the show. If you liked Polnareff in the OVA you will LOVE him in the TV show.
Most people when I was a fan were overwhelmingly in support of the OVA, and still are even today. They acknowledge it's flaws, as we all do, but it's still one of the hallmarks of Jojo projects
I honestly prefer the OVA to the show... Hell, when I read the manga I found it good BUT DAMN was it padded ! And that's an issue neither Phantom Blood nor Battle Tendency had. And the atmosphere ? Didn't mind the change. If anything , it was tonally inconsistent and I found Araki's humor in Part 3 to be hit and miss (while Part 2 KNEW it was going to be zany and KNEW the right amount of humor to use). The OVA keeps the adventurous and gloomy side of the story, but considering how Part 3 relies a LOT on the consequences of the Jonathan/Dio feud it was for the best, I mean Part 1 was definitely no knee slapper. My only reproaches ? 5 more episodes and a better Vanilla Ice fight... that's about it.
This is the first recent video I've seen from you sage and holy fucking shit the weight you lost is staggering and I'm so happy for you! I almost didn't recognize it was really you for like 30 seconds!
current jojo
>Josuke Higashikata
>2018
the current protagonist of jojo is not Josuke Higashikata, it's Josuke Higashikata.
A.K.A. Sailor Boy
This comment deserve more likes
Nicholas Silva manly gay sailor moon.
josuk8 for manga
giorno for japan
and josuke for u.s
that's... the joke.
The early protagonist's Stands have to do with ghostly tropes.
Star Platinum - Telekinesis
Magician's Red - Pyrokinesis
Hermit Purple - Spirits appearing in photographs
Hierophant Green - Just...regular..possession, I guess?
Silver Chariot - Possessed suit of Armor
And The Fool?
@@SuperStarM64 Mirages.
@@SuperStarM64 not necessarily spirit but undead rising from the ground
the dog is named Iggy and loves bubblegum. Iggy Pop
His stand is also The Fool... which probably says something. Maybe.
He was basically just a Passenger with everything for most of the part
Me talking to my mom the music nerd about jojo
Me: a lot of the chareacters are named after bands and songs like Green Day, Killer Queen, and Led Zepplin
Mom: cool
Me: There’s also one named Vanilla Ice...
Mom:... He’s the bad guy right?
Me: ...Yes?
Mom: Good
ODD Anderson Your mum hates Vanilla ice right ?
Lol, that’s awesome
I had the same conversation
only mine was about KARS, WHAMMU, and ESIDISI
lol
ODD Anderson I can only guess that any band he thought was mediocre became the bad guy. Remember Bennett’s reaction to Terence T. D’Arby?
"Why is volume 4 so hard to find?"
Mista: [screams internally]
Wait until he meets me, I am the 4th member of my family to have my own specific name and have 4 names including middle and surnames
@@michaeliv284 At least your name isn't Hank. Or some name with 4 letters.
It’s worth noting that the role of Holly’s illness is the reason Jotaro decided to even embark on this odyssey. Baring assassins like Kakyoin, he has no motivation to go after DIO at the beginning of SC, the only people who do being Joseph and Avdol. When his mother’s life is threatened by DIO’s blood curse, he does decide to go because whether the OVA shows it or not, Jotaro loves his mother (this is shown in the recent anime and the original manga as Holly charges to rescue Jotaro from prison, as her cherished memories of him being a lovely son play out in their sepia glory), whether or not the disrespectful shit shows it.
Considering how human history and fiction has been bathed in a blood-soaked orgy of tragedy, I don't think happy endings are all that overrated, whether they be the family friendly variety or the kind you find in a soap city parlor.
Exactly! Now if you will be so kind to explain that to Mr. Genndy Tartikovsky....
Actually, I thought Samurai Jacks series finale was pretty solid. I may have said Happy endings may not be overrated, but, a bittersweet or sad ending is still an valid ending if it is pulled off effectively.
But that ending was NOT pulled off effectively!! It was a frigging rip-off of Gureen Lagaan!! He better pray Ganax studios never sees that or he's on the receiving end of a lawsuit! And that ending was NOT solid it was a throw together mess that made no damn sense at the end! And Jacxk was heartbroken! He was miserable! How can you say it was solid, you LIOKE seeing him sad and lonely?! You DO?! Did we wait 13 years for that?!~ You may have...BUT I DIDN;T AND I WANT A DO-OVER!
okay...I doubt Gainax studios would get riled up. Disney made Atlantis: the Lost Empire which in essence was similar to Nadia: secret of the blue water, which said anime in turn was inspired by Jules Verne's Journey to he Center of the Earth. The creators deny watching Nadia, but the similarities remain. Gainax, in turn had Gunbuster and Evangelion, both of which were influenced by Yoshiyuki Tomino's Space Runaway Ideon, Gunbuster less so in terms of basing the titular mecha's design off the Ideon, while the film End of Evangelion had an apocalyptic conclusion similar to the conclusion of the film Ideon: Be Invoked, which the latter had an ending inspired by Arthur C. Clarke's Childhoods End's conclusion.
Whether or not Gainax filed suit for Atlantis, or if the would go on and sue Cartoon Network for Samurai Jacks Ending, it would be Hypocritical to do so considering how many of Gainax's works were derivative from other fiction. Though I do not shame them for deriving narrative considering how fiction in general is derivative.
Hell, Araki doesn't shy away from a bittersweet ending now and again.
*the real reason why lisa lisa isnt in part 3 is because joseph wanted to keep her away from kakyoin*
Well, that, and she likely still looks younger then him.
*He's a smart man.*
I as an Anime/manga fan who also happens to be a Muslim, the whole situation with the Quran didn't bother me, because as Sage said its mostly due to miscommunication and cultural error than malicious intent because after all one of the heroes of Stardust Crusaders Advol (original named Abdul after pop singer/OG American Idol judge Paula Abdul but was changed to Advol to avoid copyright), is supposed to be a muslim himself.
As for the buildings that looked mosques being destroyed in the manga's original print, that didn't bother me either since you know there are works of media in Japan that had scenes of their own religious monuments being destroyed.
Im not affiliated with any supersitious faith or religion so its really hard for me to grasp what the problem is with those scenes. Is it the implication that Dio is a bad guy because he reads the Quran?
Or is it more about Dio having read the Quran and he is being villain despite having read the godly message? What was the actual problem with Dio reading the Quran? How and why where religious feelings of so many hurt by that scene, it really doesnt make any sense to me. Would it been okay if Jotaro read the Quran or is any depiction of the Quran regardless of who is reading it a problem? Is the depiction of the Quran just as forbidden as creating any depiction of the holy prophet?
I wish i could understand it but the only reason i could see for this outrage is that muslim people are very proud people and they are also overprotective of their faith. I personally think its pretty scary that some people are so deeply, emotionally involved in their faith that they become irrational and sometimes even dangerous to others.
" there are works of media in Japan that had scenes of their own religious monuments being destroyed."
Why can the japanese tollerate such a fictional depiction of their monuments being destroyed without outrage but the muslims are super upset about a building that could be a mosque being depicted as destroyed in a fictional work? Why are muslims so snivering when it comes to their faith?
I really dont get it and im sure i will never get it.
I hope we can get an answer from Badre Bally, I haven't seen nor read Jojo's Bizarre Adventures and I have close to 0% knowledge on Muslims and I haven't had an occasion to talk with people knowledgeable on the subject but I've been quite curious on the subject.
I highly doubt it had anything to do with copyright, considering all of the other characters' names (and the fact that you can't copyright a name). It was probably the same thing that happened to Krillin and Bulma: terrible mistransliteration.
@@MrBroken030 Muslims have been used to be portrayed as bad guys so the image of a bad guy reading pages the Quran made them believe that this was an indication that it was meant to show Islam in general in a bad light. But most Muslim Anime fans I came across just moved on.
@@Elementa2006 it's weird since there have been Bible - reading villains portrayed since Dante's Inferno. I guess it might be that many Muslims are more sensitive because they're portrayed in media a lot less overall.
Still, I understand that Islam is very diverse in how it's practiced across different cultures, but the overreactions many have over this, The Message, Salman Rushdie, Charlie Hebdo, etc are a much worse look than a villain reading a book.
>Steely Dan
>Shit band
These two things do not relate
This is a reference to something, but I just can't quite put my finger on it.
gagejoseph91 is that a motherfuking Persona reference?
allan mallee Is that...a monday TO friday Touhou REFERENCE!!??
Dio reading the Quran would actually fit the character, given his interaction with Pucci and his other interactions with religious figures.
Yeah, he was trying to REACH HEAVEN; he might wanna try some sources believed by A LITERAL BILLION PEOPLE to be viable
@ Shhhhhhh, instead we refer to that as getting "Charlie Hebdo'ed" ...also DIO approves of the killing of dogs...so there's that.
Especially considering that his name is God in italian...
Figured he was just curious
What I find stupid is that Muslims got offended over that and derided the OVA off as Islamaphobic, ignoring the fact that one of the Crusaders is named "Mohammed", and he's never portrayed in a way that can be interpreted as disrespectful towards their religion.
This must be the work of an old but classy meme
I keep finding you in Jojo vids
Pp
Keep in mind, Holly Joestar wasn't weak spirited by virtue of being a woman. She acts pretty childish throughout most of the show.
There was that old lady in Part 3; and there was Lisa Lisa in Part 2 who was a fucking badass; and Erina who raised Jorge II by herself, so that counts I guess; and then there's Trish Una in part 5; Koichi's "girlfriend" & the pink-haired ghost in Part 4; and then Part 5 (no comments necessary); so it couldn't really have been THAT with Holly
She was just spoiled and coddled X3
Even erina in part 1was toph
19:04 There was a mistake here in your underderstanding when it comes to the sounds Araki was talking about. He wasn't talking about the battle sounds, he was talking about the atmospheric background SFX that he drew swirling around the page as part of the art itself, representing an undercurrent of dread, of suspense or of terror. It's something you'll see all over manga today but was something Araki basically pioneered. I'm talking stuff like ゴゴゴゴゴ(gogogogogo) or ドドドドド (dododododo). Does that not sound far more similar to the sounds of horror movies and progressive rock?
So Like onomatopoeia?
JOJO?! OH MY GOD!
Edit: Teen Titans? Oh Shit Son, it’s about to go down
Teen Titans?! Just so long as it's not Teen Titans Go.
OOOOOOOHHHH MYYYYYY GOOOOOOOOOD I forgot all about it.
*God has joined the server*
Holy Shit, an Hour long Anime Adandon
It's Jojo's of course it's an hour.
As Bennett much like cell shifts into his perfect form
Alex Olinkiewicz I said the same damn thing verbatim.
What he said
JOJO!!!!!! OOOOOH MYYYYYYY GOOOOOOD!!! Been loving it on Toonami and now an anime abandon on it?! Life is good!
Jotaro gets a little more depth in the manga/more recent adaptation, in Part 4, and especially in Part 6. Basically, his whole thing is that underneath the cool, stoic exterior, he's a bit of a dork (he's interested in marine biology and Columbo, among other things) and that he does care deeply about his friends and family. Heck, he gets badly injured for the sake of both his mom, and later, his daughter (who rightfully calls him out for being TOO stoic and not filling in her and her poor mother in on the whole Stand thing, since he was worried a violent Stand user might hurt them to get to him).
Kakyoin gets a bit more depth in the manga/more recent anime too, including an anime-exclusive scene that gives him even more backstory. Basically, he purposely ostracized himself, thinking no one would be able to relate to having a Stand, and DIO manipulated the poor kid into doing his bidding, on the grounds that he'd finally have someone who felt the same way he did. Oof.
M. Wayne Correct. Although, that backstory was in the manga, but the anime only expanded it. However, you're spot on.
I do like the interpretation that Jotaro's stoic demeanor is partly because he finds it difficult to express himself. It's cool to see a character like that develop close friendships over time and eventually open up.
@@nessesaryschoolthing Seems to me that he's just stoic, and doesn't think that he needs to express himself any more than he already does.
“New episodes coming out as of this writing.”
Jesus, you wrote this 2 years ago?!
i think he was talking about the episodes coming out on toonami
Hidden Masquerade aaaah I see
I literally had to pause and check to see if Vento Aureo got confirmed while I wasn’t paying attention.
Aquabreeze yeah I feel ya
Vento Aureo DID get confirmed. But it's definitely not airing yet.
"I believe it's important to look at media within the context of WHO created it and WHEN it was created."
In a time where we have one side of the internet jumping to conclusions and getting seemingly offended by anything and everything and the other side shitting on anything that comes close to an attempt not to offend people. This whole speech needs to be written in stone.
And the time periods it's set in too.
You could have said that just as well without all the hashtags, but I see your point.
I'm not saying it's excusable and that everything made before the so called "SJW" movement should be given a free pass. I'm simply suggesting that what is and isn't socially acceptable changes with time and it's not all together fair to judge people based on the sensibilities they didn't know existed. Doesn't mean their behavior isn't toxic or even that it wasn't toxic back then, but it does mean that toxicity comes from a place of ignorance instead of outright malice. At least with situations like these.
I'm not saying the time period of creation makes these kinds of things ok, or even justifiable, but it does make it more understandable on an objective level. And I'll say again, in a time where everyone is jumping to either side of the internet, we could really use with more objectiveness.
@@ValD98 that's objectively Falls. Me too isn't about women just wanting the accusing men of rape, its exposing the longstanding history of sexual predators in Hollywood. The term Casting Couch exist for a reason. And some of these guys - A lot of these guys attached many of these women had no desire to sleep with them. Trust me.
Right to vote and be responsible for your sake as a citizen of the country. Women wanted to be recognized as cognitive human beings and not a viewed as property or a trade. To fight in the war especially bag then would be too much either for women especially with how they were seen as dainty and the fact of the matter is would have a physical disadvantage in war because of the biological advantage of man has. Or are you saying that because someone is more physically powerful that the others mental capacity should be disregarded and they should be treated differently and have different right? That the more physically capable should have their voices heard while the disadvantaged and strength and a disabled should be shoved in the background and be told to keep quiet?
@@AmazingAutist You've clearly heard way too much feminist non-sense on these topics.
First of all, the women that headed the women's suffrage movement wanted voting rights only for upper class women. Had nothing to do with supporting women in general. Second, yes, women would have a biological disadvantage due to their lack of physical strength. Yet I don't see you arguing that voting discriminate against children because they're cognitively less capable than adults. Their _biology_ restricts them as less responsible than adults. Should we give children voting rights as well? Are children viewed as property or a means of trade because they can't vote? Obviously not. Voting isn't a right, it's a privilege.
Besides that, before universal male suffrage due to the draft during WW1 (which was a mistake IMO) the right to vote was only given to NET tax payers (meaning people who pay more into the government than they take out in benefits). That's generally a better system since NET taxpayers are the ones responsible for their country, so they should be the ones voting on it's development. The problem with universal female suffrage is that women get so much welfare their tax payments are meaningless, so they just end up being human parasites on the economy. If we went back to the old system, most women wouldn't be voting, and in fact most them didn't at the time despite the law being gender neutral. And yes, this would indeed be 'silencing' most women, but they haven't earned a political voice in any tangible way, so they don't deserve a say in a country they're not responsible for just because they live in it, just like a child doesn't have a say in what goes on in the house.
Finally, look - any person or movement that asks you to blindly believe you without question is a guaranteed scam. Yeah, some women have exposed genuine predators, but most women are simply using to get back at a co-worker for their own selfish gain. This isn't the first time a group of women has done this, BTW. Back when Jim Crow era lynchings and Salem witch hunts were a thing, most people who falsely accused men of witchcraft and rape were women. Women lie. And they lie so much because they know you'll believe them. They can't even be genuine with their face and body - what makes you think they're be genuine about rape if you don't ask for evidence, like, at least a fucking police report?
@@AmazingAutist Also, casting coach is basically actress prostitution. They sleep with the manager, he gives them a role. If they're forced to do it, it's rape, if they aren't and they just want the easy way out, it's not, it's a fucking exchange. Most of the accusations fall under the second category, because the actresses weren't being threatened with anything if they refused a producer's advances.
I have been waiting for him to finally review this one
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Hory Sheeeeeeeeeit
DAAAAAAAA WOOOOOOOORRRLLDOOOOO!!!
HOLY SHITBRICKSSSSS
OOOOOOH NOOOOO!!!!!
“You thought it was going to be a review of the new series BUT IT WAS I, DIO! ...with the 6 disc OVA SERIES!!”
interviewer:"so araki whats ur favorite type of music"
araki:anything made by black people , even Prince!
An hour long video? Just for Jojo? This must be haven.
No, You're in The World Over Heaven
Pietree You have entered The Real Man's World
Wowie maui, this episode is chockfull...awesome production work and a heartfelt congrats on your 200th.
I don't really know bupkiss about jojo so who better to cover it from bookend to bookend
I have to ask this. Why was it such a controversy? DIO was in a Egyptian building that appears to be some kind of library if he was trying to gain as much knowledge as possible why wouldn't he read the Quoran which would be in a place with such a large percentage of Muslims.
Charlie Hebdo? Anyone?
The Popcorn Tape - Christians are people too! WE do get offended! But we prefer to boycott and protest! Hell why do you think SNL's ratings began to plummet in March? Because we are SICK of their anti-Christian humor.
colleen Word.
colleen Also SNL's material is always the same now. They basically have that one unoriginal skit and the rest are political about the same thing every time. So dull.
It would have to be the fact that Dio being such a horrible person holding and reading something that is holy and sacred would make them get mad. As a Muslim myself, when I first heard of this (I was already into Jojo at this point), that made me feel uncomfortable because it's a religious book Muslims hold very deeply in their hearts. After 100 years and basically never even hearing of Islam, I understand why Dio would want to read up on it. However, he is a bastard that practically denies God (anyone can see that), so him reading something religious makes it seem blasphemous and disrespectful to the book and religion.
Yea Kakyoin got shafted with his character in the ovas. He was way better in the manga, and the new adaptation
EpicSteve23 He still gets shafted however.
Van- no. He gets donughted.
Jotaro isn't nearly as boring as you make him out to be. I mean, maybe he is in the OVA, but he definitely isn't in the manga and most recent anime.
@kevin willems the way how he writ the review makes it *sound* like jojo is only this ova thus, these are why these types of comments exist and will continue exist in reviews like these.
@kevin willems well then, why dont you tell me why the comment was made? When some one talks about a work, only talking about a part of it. then when the discusser makes sweeping remarks about the work in its entirety some one will all ways comment "WUT ABOUT (X) U UNCULTURED SWINE!?" It's just going to happen.
@kevin willems like I said I'm explaining why he commented it, not that it's a valid critic of the ova
Between Linkara's 500 episodes and Sages 200 episodes. This has been a really great time to be a fan. Congrats to the both of you guys!
the whole thing about reacting to anything without thinking it through, thank you sage, if I had to pick a favorite reviewer, it'd be you, mostly because when you have to, you can show a good point and help us out, I remember your end of Video Girl Ai and after that, I had nothing but respect for you man
I dunno, complaining about lack of female characters in Jojo is kinda like complaining about lack of men in Nanoha or Pretty Cure series. Nothing really wrong with having gender targeted entertainment.
i think he made enough points why his critique is valid :D and the treatment of the women in the OVA is really bad
In what regard?
I agree.
Did anyone complain about the lack of women fighters in Dragon Ball Z?
Think about it, Launch was shelved, 18 was briefly a fighter twice now, Chichi was shelved, and Mai is just a kid currently.
Yet of all the places to rant about it, JoJo? Really? And Sexism should have been a dead topic by last year or so.
@@jayjay86443 ... Yes, people did. That's why we have female Saiyans now in super.
@@jayjay86443 I wouldn't say its a deal breaker, but yeah, people do notice that, and yeah, have no problems pointing out how it sucks, especially when it comes to Videl.
Anime Abandon is lit and JoJo is lit.
You have made a beautiful fire.
oh no, they didn't JUST give Enya a new 'ability', oh no, what they did was combine the traits of two seperate characters into one. that random 'lovesmitten' woman that saves hol horse? in the manga/newer anime, she is ALSO one of the villains trying to kill the heroes, specifically the user of The Empress who as far as we can tell murdered a more beutiful woman and hid inside her corpse while using her stand to attack Joeseph. they combined the one trait (disguising herself as a beautiful woman) and gave it to Enya in the OVA, meaning they ERASED a female character.
Not to mention there were at least a couple more female villains who don't appear in the OVA
exactly
I think she has the power to make illusions, like how the town in her arc turned out to be ruins
I mean they had to cut it down to 7 episodes. And the Mariah fight doesnt fit with the edgy theme of the OVA
An hour review for Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
Totally worth it.
Ahh, fit Suave is too much too handle!
But now he seems like 40% less sleazy. And as wrong as it sounds, it's his sleaziness that makes him charming/entertaining.
Bruce Wayne Haven't clicked play yet.Now, I am getting nervous. Lol
It's like Austin Powers getting his teeth fixed. Yeah, he looks better, but the funky teeth were integral to his mojo.
Omnikinetik Spade I'm sure you'll get used to it :)
I’m positive a lot of us have been waiting years for this video
An hour long video of Sage and yet this is still only the tip of the Jojo Iceberg. There is SO much to unpack beyond the OVA to truly understand Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure as a whole.
For one thing Stardust Crusaders is like Final Fantasy VII. It’s the most popular of the series and it’s main hero may be the face of the series when ppl typically think of it. But it’s not the most beloved. Diamond is Unbreakable and Golden Wind are just warmly embraced.
Secondly is the issue of the inclusiveness of women in Jojo. Obviously for timing reasons a lot of female (and male) characters were cut from the OVA that appeared in the original arc. As was pointed out the women who threw herself at Hol Horse wasn’t just some whaif throwing herself to him. In both the manga and 2014 anime she was also a Stand User. Her role was diminished simply by virtue the battle of Hol Horse and J Geil was too pivotal to the story to omit. Her Stand battle with old Joseph wasn’t as important.
But if we just lookit Stardust Crusaders as a whole representation of the series as a sausage-fest that of course is grossly misrepresented. Not only did you have Jolyne Kujoh leading in Stone Ocean but the arc prior to Stardust Crusaders (Battle Tendency) had Lisa Lisa training Young Joseph and Ceasar Zeppeli.
Also though Jojo appeals to boys cause of the escapsim of a typical battle anime; the fact is Jojo isn’t just full of men. It’s full of beautiful and sexy men. Something female fans absolutely adore; hence why Jojo has so many of them. The series is just as much fan service to women as it is to men.
And finally the entire controversy on how people reacted to the inclusion of the Qaran. At the very end of that discussion Sage came to the logical conclusion that the initial reaction to it and the consequences thereafter was in fact “stupid.” So much happened due to a knee-jerk reaction e spiraled out of control to the point they had to apologize and stop distributing the DVD. Even with the Jinx controversy that took some time to have a discussion about how unintentionally offensive that was before a decision was made to alter her. With Jojo no time was given simply because by this time internet and social media was in full bloom. And what is social media other than knee-jerk reactions to controversy blown heavily out of proportion. Rarely since this episode aired has there been civil discussion about controversial topics regarding cultural sensitivity. Social media is full of reactionary rage addicts who don’t want to discuss why something is controversial. It’s controversy for the sake of controversy and people want instant justification and gratification as to why they feel upset. So while Sage was right on the mark with how we need to judge slowly…That sadly doesn’t happen in the world of social media. It’s judge quickly and execute immediately. It’s more about instant gratification than calm retrospection.
And even everything I talked about isn’t even the tip of Jojo. There is always so much much much more to talk about the series as a whole.
That’s also why it’s so great!
Now, I may be blind, but even I can see how hype this is.
Why the fuck are you everywhere????
Megaguy43 I second that
You really are, or at least someone with a similar avatar too.
BITCH YOU THINK A BLIND MAN WENT AND SAW A MOVIE!?
But but how did you write the comment
The only reason I haven't seen this anime yet is I'm still jaded by the guy who tried to get me to watch it who said to me that Cowboy beebop was boring garbage.
TheKrensada ...someone thought Cowboy Bebop was "boring garbage"?!
otakon17 I used to think the same about Cowboy Bebop. After watching Sage's Synopsis of it I bought it on DVD and rewatched it. I was wrong so, so wrong. It's now in my top 3 favorite Animes.
Then check out Antfish's Abridged series. Jojo's Bizzare Adventure The Abridged Series. Or JJBATAS is how he's got it saved on his channel.
Yeah otakon17, god damned blasphemous. I will check out this anime soon.
Having watched 5 episodes before dropping it, i'd say he's right about it being a bit boring.
Sage doing a Jojo review?! This must be the work of an enemy stand!
Lol, I'm your brother now I see. I was there in like 2004 for those exact memes. HABEEB IT
Real1Gaming
Impossibru!
I
Can't
Believe It!
While I always enjoy your humor, even all the way back to episode 1, I always thought your show was at its best when it was analytical, whether it be about the anime production, the cultural context in which it was created, or even learning something completely tangential to the show itself. So having an entire hour long episode in this style, this is simply your master piece! Congratulations at 200, can't wait to see the 500th!
6:17- Wait, Joseph had a father named George, who was Jonathan's son and therefore George is Jotaro's great grandfather. Correctly, it would be great, great grandson.
Healthy Bennette is still hard to get used to, but I’m proud of him for setting a goal and achieving it. Happy 200 Lord Regent Sage, and I’m looking forward to the future my dude
I feel like I've been waiting for this for my entire life. Thank you Sage! 😄
I haven't watched anime abandon in a long time, but I'm happy that I stayed subscribed, it was nice to see you discussing an anime to dear to my heart. When you get down to earth and things get real, you have this very comforting way of presenting it. Grave of the fireflies, jinroh and this, it makes for very engaging watching. Something I should have said way back, Thank you for videogirl ai, the speech you gave cut straight to the core when times were dark, it still moves me even now.
Thank you.
you missed one fact that woman who helped hol horse was also a Dio minnion and just didn't get her episode in the OVA
I approve of that use of Aqua Teen Hunger Force
radio ,astion I found seasons 1-6 at a yard sale the other day, I’m a lucky dude for that
As do I.
Instantly clicked as soon as it appeared! Congrats on your 200th episode Sage. Congrats!!
Hot Damn! Over an hour of Sage goodness.... Bless you good sir and congratulations on 200 episodes!
I just finished Jo Jo tonight on Toonanmi. This video has been in watch later until now, and it was worth the wait. Happy 200th, and many more!
Dude... I've recently only started watching your channel (YT recommended all your old vids from 4-5 yrs ago). I started this vid and at first I thought the main star of the show had been replaced. You are amazing!
Your next line is "MAN!"
MAN!...NANI?!
Episode 200 already? Damn, so much garbage, so little time
That bonus ending tho. The march to 500 begins.
Clever joke
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJO!
DIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
DUNDUN DUDUDUN DUNDUN DUDUN DUNDUN! SONO CHI NO SADAME!
JOOOOOOOOJO
NA-NNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIII!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
BA-BAKANA!!!! KONO DIO GA!!!!!!!!
KOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO DIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOO GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Groovy.
You thought it was going to a full fledged review, BUT IT WAS I, A DOCUMENTARY!!
I don't remember how long ago I started watching your show, but I do feel that you have taken us on a journey into learning about anime and its history. Thank you so much.
Heh. I was introduced to this series through Antfish's abridging of it... and pop culture aside, I was pleasantly surprised by how faithful the abridging remained to the arc after I watched it proper. :D
LuckyOwl wow, that thing is 10 years old, now..
Every my phone lags on the video I yell ZA WARUDO then I count the time til it resumes.
Professor Capricorn king crimson
Why is there an empty comment above mine?
Since when did Andrew Garfield take over Anime Abandon??
also, I dont see how you cant quantify it as self censorship simply because there was no intended offense. they still changed something that wasnt offensive because people complained simply for them taking offense to something unoffensive. If I suddenly change, erase or omit something because _someone_ might take it the wrong way, how is that not me censoring my own creativity.
Creativity should be given free reign to be what it is, without moral fearmongers shackling it down. Simple facts, there is always going to be someone offended by everything, so why should I or any other creative person second and third guess everything created because theres a chance it might offend someone.
Well, this is not the case, but in theory you could decide to do that because you unwittingly added something that changes the meaning you intended for that scene.
You're welcome for the support, Bennett. Cheers to 200 episodes. And we hold our glasses and hopes for the next 200. Keep up the good work.
mollys case is not solely related to women
in diamond is unbreakable we see another character not having a "strong fighting spirit" and his own stand ends up killing him
this is A RULE
applied to EVERY USER
man
women
animal
if your "fighting spirit" is not strong enough then your stand will harm you
we have seen other stand users that ARE women but their stands do not harm them
because their "fighting spirit" is strong enough to have control over it
lets just say that molly was strong in nature and spirit
then her stand wouldnt be trying to kill her
you can have a nature like molly and at the same time have a "strong fighting spirit"
for example koichi
hes nice, gentle, polite person
but as the arc progresses we see that he has a strong fighting spirit specially when a stand user threatens koichis family
Question is, how does a plankton colony wind up having more fighting spirit than a goddamn Joestar?
@@LieutenantAlaki ok but how do trees have a stronger fighting spirit than a joestar
@@LieutenantAlaki STONE OCEAN SPOILER
Because they are organisms that run on survival instinct. Holly doesn't have the willingness to potentially harm others for her goals, unlike the plankton which become F.F. Also, Pucci threw in a memory DISC as well, which gave her even higher functions with which to develop a more human ability to learn and adapt, and eventually, emote.
@@GiornoGiovannaGangstar JOJOLION SPOILERS
Both Sugar Mountain Spring and Les Feuilles are essentially unique cases, and don't exactly follow the standard Stand rules. LF in particular is the result of strangeness involving the Wall Eyes, than a Stand manifested by the trees individually.
And anyways Josuke himself got exactly the same condition as Holly at exactly the same time; Joseph just never knew he existed, so who would ?
It was implied but never explicitly stated
Glad you finally did this. I love Jojo to death, and I believe it's such a heartfelt, creative, and intriguing work that everyone should read and experience. I've been a fan since '07, and it feels amazing to see Jojo come so far and keep going. Hell, Araki has an exhibit at The Tokyo National Art Center coming up this summer, which will be the second time a mangaka has had a solo exhibiton since Osamu Tezuka 28 years ago. If you ask me, I think it's a well deserved accolade.
Also, ITTY BITTY BABY
Great episode for the most part though there is an inherent issue with the concept of "outrage as a means of agency". Yes your quote of judging slowly is spot on in every sense, but that quote only functions within the confines of those whom choose to judge on the hair trigger. As you've mentioned certain marginalized groups have pushed to gain more inclusion in media (in which they have every right to do so). The problem is that when these groups much like they have done in comics/games/ manga/news do not care for context because context is not required in the intellectual frame of mind they use to examine the world, and by proxy its media. To these individuals on both extremes there exists this Neo Hegelian thought process of deconstructing ones surroundings and media as tools of the oppressor or as means of subverting/burying or otherizing some sort of subject of people. This is regardless of intent or context, and this is evidenced in several artistic works over the past decade or so.
Its very much the "everything is .... and you need to point it all out" quote thats become famous and I think its something to keep in mind that yes we must focus on progress, but not to the point in which a work loses its artistic soul or loses what made the original property special. This much has become the norm with western media in their attempts to cater and satisfy based on calculated outrage rather than what services the story. keep up the good work
For me the whole controversy, is more about the audience being culturally tone deaf and thin skinned
People get offended by EVERYTHING
Sorry I think I did not express my idea more clearly, I agree that today people get offended by everything. What I am talking about, audience members when they consume foreign piece of media like foreign books or TV must keep in mind that foreign makers do not share your cultural sensitivities and most likely not even aware of taboos or bad topics in your culture.
Satch Boogie *american people get offended by anything. You have no idea how ridiculous all this offended thing looks to a non-westerner. Like, are you all big whiny man-babies other there or something? Haven't seen a more insecure nation. A giant kindergarten instead of a country.
@@HaohmaruHL No, our "man-babies" have access to to twitter. And their commie friends in media listen to them.
The old OVAs were one of my first anime series I have ever watched and I do not think I can ever forget them, even with the new anime out thanks to how they influenced me. So here is to Jojo, and also to you Sage, congrats on the 200th episode and thanks for all the time and effort you put in for us to enjoy...
The sage made it this far. Keep doing whatever it is you do to get by bro, your an inspiration. LOOKING FORWARD TO DIESEL DUST!
YES YES YES.
Part (2 and) 4, 5, and 7 are regarded as the most beloved JoJo parts. Part 3 is just the most well-known
*YuudiHoshi* me personally will take part 3 over those any day. Part 1 and 7 are my least favorite. I couldn't wait to finish reading 7 because I was bored to death with the stupid race and corpse parts.
Parts 1 to 3 for me.
Part 5 is good too, not gonna lie
Who else had their first JOJO exposure from the abridge series?
I did.
I really vibed with that ending message, Sage.
"Judge slowly."
Really hit me. Also, love Jojos and glad you do too
WOW! Congrats on making it to 200 episodes Bennett. I think I can credit you as the person who actually got me into anime and I'm all the happier for it. Long live Anime Abandon.
I hate to have to judge a dub not on it's own merits, but I'll never be able to watch the modern series of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure in English. It's just not the same. Between the nonexistence of the glorious Engrish that's basically that series trade mark and the fact that their Japanese voices are basically forever imprinted on the characters for me I could never do it. If you like the dub, more power to you. I'll even admit the dub actually is quite good. It just not for me.
Oddly enough I have the exact same problem.
The Japanese voice actors just end up feel more natural than the english voices actors.
Some anime just exist better in Japanese, same way that others exist better in English (Steve Blum will always be the voice od Spike Spiegel, that's an irrefutable fact)
im with u bro, english actors just cant emote on jp levels.
Nate Rivers Personally, I liked the first two arcs in English because it fit the settings, but I definitely switched to subbed for Stardust Crusaders and Diamond is Unbreakable. I watched a clip of the Stardust dub a few weeks back, just to see how it was, and all I could think was やれやれ 🤦🏾♂️
It's just not fully JoJo without the constant bombardment of ENGRISH
35:19 WOW, DIO being voiced by Nick Cage is scarily fitting.
woah an hour for my favorite anime
57:00 I don't think there's really anything to unpack. Oh no, the bad guy is reading a book that just happens to be one religion's holy text. Oh no, there were mosques in the background for a few fights. My question is: so what? No one would have bat an eye if Dio had been reading the Book of Mormon or some other holy book. But because it's the Qu'ran everyone pitches a fit, just like they do now. Glad to see nothing has changed in the last ten years >w>
I just can't even
If it were a bible the bitch fits would have been astronomical. It's almost like accidentally being a dick to people is a bad thing 🤷♂️
Given that anime regularly shows fantastical and destructive versions of religions that actually ARE prevalent in Japan, I seriously doubt it was meant as a sleight against Islam. I think was purely and aesthetic choice, like NGE and all the Christian and Kabbalistic symbols.
As a Mormon, it would've gotten at most a confused chuckle out of me.
In a world where "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" exists, it's so strange to me to think that people are so sensitive about fictional villains reading holy texts or destroying places of worship. If Christians can deal with something batshit as Ninja Resurrection or even just Evangelion, Muslims can deal with Dio reading a book and knocking down a couple buildings.
@@tonyjoestar2632 almost as bad as intentionally getting art censored because it doesn't fit your sensibilities.
The whole jynx situation, its pure irony that people claim ignorance on Japan's part when its ignorant to discount Japan's culture around the influence of the character.
If the character was created today and done intentionally, it would be considered a trap to bait people into contradicting themselves.
There are two kinds of peoples: the ones that pretend to NOT be racist and the others who don't. Even the "racism politics" thing was initiated to separate and to ostracize people based on their racial opinions. Every single anti-racism policy has had a targeted ostracizing effect and only changed the socially accepted target of ostracism of the day. One day it's lepers, the other: white people. Ur point is moot.
@Onemanarmylol Lol I think the original commenter is making the point that is discredited in the video: I.e.: that the people criticizing the design of the Pokémon are hypocrites, because they are claiming Japan to be ignorant of racist US history while supposedly being ignorant of Japanese culture themselves. (In the video it was argued that this is irrelevant, because the main artistic intent of making an innocent and entertaining video game trumps other creative decisions in the face of choosing to ameliorate controversy). The second comment is really fucking bizarre. I might be wrong, but I think that they are attempting to make the argument that everyone is racist in some way and that people who say they aren’t are only claiming that they aren’t. Furthermore, I believe he is arguing that policies to enfranchise marginalized groups somehow have the effect of taking power away from the social majority. (I.e.: his is arguing that pro-civil rights rights policies are somehow anti-white). I may have completely misinterpreted him though, but if this is his argument I find it ridiculous.
This is the best thing to come home to after work.
Wait they went to Skywalker ranch to do the sound effects. Star wars and Jojo are conected
Been backing for 100 episodes, here's to the next 100 and every one after!
havent tuned in since at least 4 years ago.. things have changed glad to see your looking good man
They CUT SPEEDWAGON FROM PART 1!?!?
9:34
I bet Star Platinum would like a rename like "Beat It"
YES YES YES I WANTED THIS FOR YEARS
*akihiko voice* i’ve been waiting for this!
Sorry but that was the wrong josuke that was part 4 and the part 8 looks like a sailor
This episode is and will forever be special to me. Last year in May was a special time for me watching anime abandon which is saying a lot, considering much of my time even before then had been special moments with AA. I had just moved to a new home and nothing is quite like setting up in a new location just soaking in the environment especially when indulging in a favorite past time.
That was one hell of an episode. You went into so much detail on everything from the basic stuff like story, animation and characters to the creation of the anime and how hard it was to the lack of women in the anime to even the controversy over one tiny shot in the anime. You even fit a bit of music ranting. Basically, everything I love about Anime Abandon in one episode.
Holy Shit
I was hoping
Thank you Sage
And congratulations on 200 episodes
Brittany Yates
I know right 🤣
It should be noted that Joelyne's love interest was also originally a woman too, but producers threatened to cut funding unless they made this new female protagonist straight. He tried man, he really did
Does it matter in the long run if she;s gay or straight?
colleen i won't lie, most people I've talked to about this just pretend as if the character in question was a girl all along, and I can't help but agree. It's a weird case of headcannon being more true than the source material.
Basically, we could have had a strong, female, gay character with a PRISON record, as the lead protagonist in a widely popular medium as far back as the early 80's. Imagine that.
Regarding "long run" I don't know exactly what you mean, but NOTHING and NO-ONE from part 6 can be considered "long run" now.
People constantly bring up this matter, but not a single person has ever produced concrete evidence for this claim. Unless you know something I don't (and I'd love to see it, since I love behind the scenes stuff), that's just unsubstantiated rumor.
STONE OCEAN SPOILERS
Frankly, I don't think Jolyne's supposed to have a love interest at all, since not only is it noted that her bad experiences have made her a bit cynical about them, but also every instance of Anasui making a move on Jolyne is played for laughs, up until Cape Canaveral, and only because he offers to put his life on the line not just for Jolyne, but for the group (and especially Jotaro, y'know, to impress him). Jolyne acknowledges his effort because she's willing to hear him out if he truly does believe as strongly as he does, which isn't indicating that she's even interested in a relationship, just that she's seen that Anasui's serious.
Naw, Araki forgot Annasui's gender.
zillafire101 my heart
I just started watching the David Productions version a few days ago - my first foray into JoJos! :D
As someone who has never sat down and watched Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, I have to admit that I was still watching this with keen interest. It's been quite a long time that I was glued to my seat, soaking in every word.Great Job Sage.
8:52 That and getting shot with an arrow made from a meteorite with an alien virus, or getting magic cds in your head, or falling into magic dirt,or absorbing the mummified remains of Jesus, or in some cases getting fused with a dead guy in more special dirt....
Or be a random tree and an actual street and you just as good
*God this series is weird*
I find it strange that the use of Islamic iconography is controversial. There is media across the world that is critical of Christianity and no one bats an eye, but portray a different religion with similar roots and suddenly it's a problem. You can depict as many church burnings as you like, but destroy a mosque and it's not okay? The Castlevania anime depicts Christian priests being murdered, churches being destroyed, their entire religion being proved a hollow lie and not a single complaint was lodged against it. I don't think that accidentally including a segment of the Quran in a frame of animation is something worth getting angry over. Islam is just a religion, one of many, that, like all religions, doesn't have a place in modern society. I understand where Araki was coming from, but honestly I don't think that insulting a religion should be the big deal that was made of it given the state of the modern world
I see no reason why anyone should be expected to respect a religion they do not believe in. Respect people, sure, but bad ideas are simply bad ideas.
Yeah but other religious people don't blow themselves up, create protests around the world or attack studios full armed. Also they are the one with the "victim status" now (meanwhile they still preach against jews and non-believers but hey they aren't german so it is okay I guess)
That's why this OVA isn't really liked in the community. The studio behind it completely missed the point and made the story too dark/serious and the characters into cardboard cutouts. But at least the visuals are ok. On the other hand David Production did a perfect adaptation of the manga with atmosphere and characters intact. The series is self aware of it's bizarreness and uses it to it''s advantage. Should have skipped the OVA and just watched the show. If you liked Polnareff in the OVA you will LOVE him in the TV show.
Most people when I was a fan were overwhelmingly in support of the OVA, and still are even today. They acknowledge it's flaws, as we all do, but it's still one of the hallmarks of Jojo projects
David Production didn't have Dio Throwing Cars and Tugboats
I honestly prefer the OVA to the show... Hell, when I read the manga I found it good BUT DAMN was it padded ! And that's an issue neither Phantom Blood nor Battle Tendency had. And the atmosphere ? Didn't mind the change. If anything , it was tonally inconsistent and I found Araki's humor in Part 3 to be hit and miss (while Part 2 KNEW it was going to be zany and KNEW the right amount of humor to use). The OVA keeps the adventurous and gloomy side of the story, but considering how Part 3 relies a LOT on the consequences of the Jonathan/Dio feud it was for the best, I mean Part 1 was definitely no knee slapper.
My only reproaches ? 5 more episodes and a better Vanilla Ice fight... that's about it.
Fucking Hell
From those previous video images it looks like he was building up towards JoJo this whole time cause he had to get swoll to give a proper review.
This is the first recent video I've seen from you sage and holy fucking shit the weight you lost is staggering and I'm so happy for you! I almost didn't recognize it was really you for like 30 seconds!
sage dont be ashamed whenever dio shows up that song plays in our heads
Holy mother of god, he's actually doing it!!!!
Don't you mean OOOOH MYYYYY GOOOOOOD!!!