In Lucks defense he did play aggressive, but Indy never gave him a proper o-line. Cam never had a proper o-line either. The Panthers rushed him back to the field several times before he properly healed.
@@lordoz2578 I'm a Panthers fan, so I know first hand how they treated Cam. He gave everything to the team. I mean he made the Superbowl with Philly Brown, and Ted Ginn as his starting wide receivers lol.
Goff is having a career year I the D this will only improve as more weapons come available, they say McVay was his mentor I say he was his destroyer, he came to Detroit and Campbell built his confidence again, at season end he was the 4th ranked QB in the NFL.
That’s how Josh Allen was for me this year. His biggest game was like over 35 points and I was mad at him for his previous games so I started Cousins over him. Cousins still got 20 though.
I feel bad for Bradford, I really think injuries ended his career, when he was healthy he was a pretty good qb but the injuries just caught up with him and basically took away all his potential
That end clip is actually crazy, you were talking about Joey b but he passes to jamar who’s a rookie doing that well. These athletes just get better and better
@@Th3ark33 prob one of it got claimed. But either way yeah it shows what a big receiver can do since so many people critiqued the Bengals for not fixing the oline and picking up a receiver…. I think Chase so far has worked out if they instead an offensive lineman. It first remains to be seen if such a combo will translate beyond one season but I hope for the best for Burrow
i remember thinking in 2018 that he was just there on the sideline twiddling his thumbs while the talent on the chargers team just did their thing and made the playoffs
Clowney is so frustrating to me, he had all the physical tools to wreck every game. but he's just been good at the NFL level. But he'll always have that bowl game against Michigan.
Definitely sad he didn't live up to his potential. As a Seahawks fan I watched him closely during his time here and it was frustrating at times. He would take over some games completely but also disappear for stretches of games as well. He did play hurt for some of the season so I give him props for that but what I saw in Seattle was pretty much how his career has always been when it comes to consistency.
It pains me to say this but I see a lot of similarities in that regard to Kayvon Thib and I am saying this as a ducks alumn and fan. Something about his motor and of course injuries makes me cautious.
Seeing this comment made me feel two things: Firstly, I agreed because this video is great and KTO rocks, but secondly, I thought about how awesome you were hyping him up and handing him that W and respect for a high quality, effort filled video. I love positivity and good vibes, and you my friend know how to spread them. Respect to you my homie
@@voiceofreason2674 Interceptions are a HUGE deal. It doesn't matter hiw great your stats are if you throw 30 interceptions in a season. No team can overcome that.
@@ariefraiser140 at most he threw 18-20 picks that year, almost half of his ints were in the hands of his receivers before they coughed it up for DBs to make the int
@@longtran2492 stop with the pathetic excuses. Tom Brady came in one year later with virtually the same Tampa receiving core (and team) and tossed only 12 interceptions while leading the team to the Superbowl. Jameis Winston and his ungodly high interceptions was the issue in Tampa.
Goff I think has finally come back from those years. It seems he's turned around his career now being NFC north champs and having the chance to make a playoff run
It’s kinda sad that when Luck was playing the Colts had a great QB and basically the worst O-line in the league. Now they have basically the best O-line in the league but have no QB. They’re currently on their 3rd starting QB in 3 years as I type this
As a Bengals fan, I'm glad they seem to have taken the lessons of Luck's experience to heart and made it a priority to get an improved o-line in free agency. I don't want to see Burrow's career trajectory follow Luck's...
@@romanprozapas3730 that’s obvi tho and more likely than getting it 6 years apart think ab it you draft any player and you get em for 5 years that’s just any player now imagine being a number 1 pick at QB and not getting getting past the 5th year only 4 QBs have ever done that lmao
Something else that is interesting about Jameis. In 2019 he threw a total of 40 touchdowns. 33 to his team, and 7 to the other team. Think about that for a second.
And Tom Brady had almost 500 fewer passing yards and only 42 total passing touchdowns. Could’ve kept Jameis for much cheaper. I think the Bucs made a mistake
@@Am1sco for like 3 years. A for another 3 and then B or lower the rest of his career. Can't judge the guy on early success alone. If we start doing that, then Eddie Lacy is an S tier RB.
@@Kenji.Artistry_ Most rushing touchdowns* (scored by the position who is supposed to be good at throwing it) not really as impressive as you want it to be
@@Rhapbus1 the fact it’s still a record! Not to account for the MVP season and the effect he’s had on the game is enough for me! Tell me another QB you’ve seen at Cams size do what he does??….. It doesn’t matter how you get it done!! The fact he’s done what he’s been able to accomplish with the franchise he’s been with is saying something. (Beside the year + with the patriots) Edit: tell me a few good receivers he’s had over his career that have been worth something especially in Carolina beside the names of: Steve smith and a TIGHT END in Greg Olsen?
I don’t think it was tragic, yes he got injured hard, but many players keep going even after injuries like that and either have significant life sustaining injuries or go into hard declines after said Injuries. Luck was smart in getting out while he was ahead before having life sustaining injuries or having the career decline
I remember Lucks retirement like it was yesterday, I cried that night when I found out the news. Luck could have been very special, but with Grigson not drafting offensive linemen, it definitely hurt his chances of possibly getting a superbowl, and a couple MVPs. I still believe in my heart he would be on the path to the hall of fame if he stayed healthy
I believe I’ve seen you do this for the 2000’s and It was my favorite video you’ve ever made. I think it would be interesting if you did it for the 90’s or maybe 2nd overall picks in the 2000’s
@@Selassadi I mean he won rookie of the year , pro bowl player, won the MVP. Personality wise he was exactly like Magic. On the success side he was definitely less.
Cam's best seasons were his rookie year and his MvP year. That's it. The guy never touched a 4000 yd season after year 1, and threw under 20 TDs for half of his career per season. He was a great football specimen but his stats are mediocre. At least he can say he won a national championship, won a Heisman, won an NFL MvP, and went to a SB. This guy will still get into the HoF with that resume.
Baker Mayfield may not have been the perfect #1 overall pick in terms of physical and mental ability…and yet the Browns will regret ditching him for Watson in the end
"He started out poorly, throwing 7 interceptions in his opening game and 69 on the season while only managing to throw 8 TDs, ending the season with only 730 all purpose yards. However, he did manage to hand the ball off perfectly for 2 rushing TDs in his final game. For that reason, I think he deserves to be placed in the B-tier."
That Lions team talent wise was the worst in the NFL by quite a wide margin. Stafford was written off by many on that trash heap of a franchise, and first year out he won a SB. No doubt Stafford is an upgrade from Goff, but IMO Stafford was an elite QB stuck on a terrible team for years now. It’s insane how many games the dude carried that team to win. I wouldn’t write off Goff just yet. Neither would I for Jamies and certainly not Baker. If the Lions can rebuild a solid team we’ll see a very solid QB with Goff. To me he’s like Eli Manning. Jamies has really turned up the maturity and being honest with himself. He’ll look mediocre for a couple years as the Saints rebuilt but ultimately i think he’s gonna be the Benjamin Button of QBs with his best years during his mid and late 30s. Baker is gonna have the largest chip on his shoulder in the world. I think he lost it on the Browns by having early success. He needed a good kick in the ass to get back that fiery spirit that made him so good in college.
@@NostalgiaDemon Luck after his last playoff run was looking superbowl the next year, possibly a year after that. If he didn't retire that year, I think the Colts would of made it to the superbowl, instead he retired right at the end of preseason worst timing ever after getting a great coach, great offensive line, great running back and great defense, and if it hadn't been for the Colts needing to find a win now quarterback, they probably have very great receivers. Colts superbowl window that year with luck maybe the next few seasons would of probably been about 4-5 years. So no Philip was the modern Dan Marino great quarterback just wasn't peyton manning, tom brady, or patrick mahomes, he was eli manning, big ben on the wrong team his last year he could still get a team to the playoffs but he wasn't going to take them to the superbowl, he was always a desperation. It's sad because the Colts other than their receivers being less than average, they defintely have a strong potential to be the next dynasty unfortuantly that window is closing and I'm afraid if the Colts don't get to afc championship this season their superbowl window will be completely closed with chiefs, bills, and bengals having elite style quarterbacks, Lamar still kind of feel he's a better running back than a quarterback, but still on a great team.
You should do these with every first round pick (1-32) would take a while but they won’t have to be back to back. Could be a long series that you do like monthly so it lasts a couple years lol
Cam is more like B tier. His rookie year and his MvP season were his best, but all the other seasons in between were mediocre. Would definitely rate him higher if it wasn't for that. But he does get bonus points for winning a national championship, a Heisman, an NFL MvP, and having 1 SB appearance. Even some of the all-time greats can't say they've accomplished that.
As a pocket passer, Cam was always average at best. Inaccurate and turnover prone. SimIlar to Vick, the excitement of the rushing stats overshadowed being just an ok QB.
I just wish people would put respect on Winston’s name . Dude thrown for over 5000k yards only very few qbs have done that . Acting like it’s easy . He did have 30 int but look at a lot of qbs first season or so Favre , manning , elway, just to name a few ..
The same reason why Eli will most likely be a HOFer, while Rivers will not: the Super Bowl. Goff made it to one, Winston not. And Brady proved what a talented team he had at hand.
I am a patriots fan, and if I hear one more UA-camr talk about lucks “ reckless play style“, I am going to blow a gasket. Being left to die behind one of the worst offensive lines is not reckless on the part of the quarterback.
Andrew Luck had all the abilities to be an all time great and it’s sad that the colts couldn’t get a solid line in front of him but there’s no way we can put him in the same tier as cam, that’s an mvp.
Poor Andrew Luck. His offensive line was the reason for the injuries. He was just being crushed ALL THE TIME! He was awesome and the team just let him down with waiting too long to build the line they currently have. Can you imagine Andrew Luck with the O line they have now?! Holy crap.
Love the videos- keep it up- I feel like cam Newton has to be S tier tho, if I told any fan on draft night the QB they selected would go on to make 3 pro bowls, win an MVP, and lead the team to the Super Bowl, they would be through the moon excited, that far exceeds expectations especially with how few top 10 picks pan out, and a difficult it is to win an mvp and find success in a division that has Matt ryan and drew brees
I still will never forget when Luck retired I was in boot camp and got a letter saying he retired everyone there was shocked still crazy how it happened out of nowhere.
Jamais is a B to me. I use to watch TB gamed before Brady (my brother is a Bucs fan). He had better peaks than we remember at QB, his team and coaching staff were just developing. But considering his duration and Pro Bowls, I'd slick squeeze him in.
Burrow is gonna be absolutely terrifying this year [2022]. Now that he has a fully functioning offensive line to protect him, I fully expect him and the Bengals to win the Super Bowl.
Goff is not D tier. Remember when they brought in Stafford they also upgraded WRs and guys who were injured during Goff's time were suddenly available to work with Stafford. It wasn't McVay who beat Mahomes.
Man once again absolutely no mention of Ryan Grigson and Colts management screwing up Luck’s rehab along with providing no O-line and that being blamed on a reckless play style. 🤦♂️
Give Joe Burrow another few years and maybe he'll end up like Cam Newton and Andrew Luck. I'm not betting on it, but the end was a little unfair to Newton and Luck.
I will stand till my grave, KTO has the best outro of all time period! The instrumental, the highlight and the weird like zoom sound idk what to call it. Period has the best outro!
I think Goff really isnt that bad, when the system is good he could be great, the problem was when the identity changed he was expected to somehow improvise. When Gurley got hurt so did the system that Goff was use to, but instead of bringing in the pieces, they opted to simply throw him to a dysfunctional team. MVP Gurley: 4688Yds 32 TD/12 Int Gurley injured: 4638 22 16 Gurley gone: 3952 20 13 C is a fair rating, but only in todays stupid-A** pass happy NFL, to give you perspective of how much we changed from what defines a good QB here is John Elways Last PRO BOWL/SUPER BOWL season stats John Elway 2806 Yds 20 TD's 10 Ints Note: John Elway has thrown 4K yds one time in his entire career. Point is, what we consider avg usually is good enough IF you had a solid TEAM, but now we stick our QB's in shotgun all day like they are in college, and rely on just them to carry the whole franchise. I don't think there are that many bad QB;s just not good teams as a whole.
I’m from Rock Hill, SC and I went to South Pointe right as he was graduating and even if he wasn’t the guy in the NFL, he’s our guy. Of side note, I’ve been a diehard Seattle fan all my life, and the day he signed felt like a dope fever dream
Goff is turning it around look at his numbers it’s week 4 and he’s tied #1 in passing touchdowns and #3 in passing yards. The dude doesn’t get much credit , also compare his stats to Mathew staffords right now and also compare the weapons they have and Goff is still doing better despite his situation. Looks like the rams made a mistake trading him
I understand he hasn't exactly been perfect. But don't forget about the fact that the cardinals were easily the best team in the NFC this year, up until their unexpected loss in the playoffs. They had one bad game, but both the team and Murray deserve a little bit more respect than they seem to be given recently..
Goff was pretty much like a Matt Ryan, except he didn't have the icy veins to be consistent like Matty Ice. With the right team and coach, Goff can make them contenders for sure.
It’s such a shame that Luck had to retire early because of injuries, I still believe he could have played to his mid or even late 30’s if he had a solid o line to protect him before the injuries began to stack up
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U said all 10 quarterbacks from the 2010s
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Awesome video KTO!!!!
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Luck looks like a deer caught in headlights.
In Lucks defense he did play aggressive, but Indy never gave him a proper o-line. Cam never had a proper o-line either. The Panthers rushed him back to the field several times before he properly healed.
Correct.
True, it’s a shame that the colts now have a pretty good o line, but no Luck
Facts
Yeah those franchises screwed them over.
@@lordoz2578 I'm a Panthers fan, so I know first hand how they treated Cam. He gave everything to the team. I mean he made the Superbowl with Philly Brown, and Ted Ginn as his starting wide receivers lol.
Goffs making a bit of a comeback this year. Still room for him to have a legacy worth talking about
Very interested to see how Baker's weird legacy has continued too
Jared Goff is a Detroit Lion his legacy goes With fight for broking a curse.
Goff is having a career year I the D this will only improve as more weapons come available, they say McVay was his mentor I say he was his destroyer, he came to Detroit and Campbell built his confidence again, at season end he was the 4th ranked QB in the NFL.
Aged like wine
you were right he made it to the nfc championship
Had Jameis Winston as my QB in fantasy in 2019 and damn that was wild. I was getting either 30 points or 8.
Same here man. What a fun ride. No matter what though I always convinced myself that he would blow up said week.
Russian roulette every week lol
Roller coaster. Lol
i had godwin and evans as my receivers that year and got second place lol
That’s how Josh Allen was for me this year. His biggest game was like over 35 points and I was mad at him for his previous games so I started Cousins over him. Cousins still got 20 though.
I feel bad for Bradford, I really think injuries ended his career, when he was healthy he was a pretty good qb but the injuries just caught up with him and basically took away all his potential
At least he became the most overpaid QB in NFL history though. He's living large now.
Never feel bad for a millionaire
@@AllDayDavis that's some bum mentality bruh 💀
@@Lefuhq3 that makes no fucking sense LMAO.
@@AllDayDavis So if he got run over and paralyzed we shouldn't feel bad for him because he's a millionaire? That's your logic.
That end clip is actually crazy, you were talking about Joey b but he passes to jamar who’s a rookie doing that well. These athletes just get better and better
The clip is fire but wtf was the quality, it looked like it was film from 2001
@@Th3ark33 prob one of it got claimed.
But either way yeah it shows what a big receiver can do since so many people critiqued the Bengals for not fixing the oline and picking up a receiver…. I think Chase so far has worked out if they instead an offensive lineman. It first remains to be seen if such a combo will translate beyond one season but I hope for the best for Burrow
Aaron Donald: ua-cam.com/video/Ram7AKbtkGE/v-deo.html
That niners-bengals game was so freaking good too. Those 2 with Higgins, Mixon and Boyd are so fun to watch
just imagine these kids coming into the league 15 years from now, technology and sports science are only gonna keep improving more and more.
It should be noted that Goff's numbers went up after Anthony Lynn stopped calling plays in 2021.
Facts, Anthony Lynn is just bad. I don't know why we even tried to have him as an OC, he was bad in LAC too.
Goff is a great QB I know it and you it
anthony lynn also was holding herbert back hes not a great coach
@@BigGov74 even when lynn was HC for chargers, herbert put up veteran QB level stats. I think thats a way to early take.
i remember thinking in 2018 that he was just there on the sideline twiddling his thumbs while the talent on the chargers team just did their thing and made the playoffs
Clowney is so frustrating to me, he had all the physical tools to wreck every game. but he's just been good at the NFL level. But he'll always have that bowl game against Michigan.
BALL DONT LIE !
Definitely sad he didn't live up to his potential. As a Seahawks fan I watched him closely during his time here and it was frustrating at times. He would take over some games completely but also disappear for stretches of games as well. He did play hurt for some of the season so I give him props for that but what I saw in Seattle was pretty much how his career has always been when it comes to consistency.
He was a generational talent but had no pass rush skill just a raw athlete who never developed pass rush moves.
It pains me to say this but I see a lot of similarities in that regard to Kayvon Thib and I am saying this as a ducks alumn and fan. Something about his motor and of course injuries makes me cautious.
If you haven't noticed he is one of the players that give 50 percent and it literally carried him to the nfl bc he was so talented
Absolutely love these kinds of videos. Common KTO W
KTO the walking W
I died when he mentioned jamies winston 😂😭
Seeing this comment made me feel two things: Firstly, I agreed because this video is great and KTO rocks, but secondly, I thought about how awesome you were hyping him up and handing him that W and respect for a high quality, effort filled video. I love positivity and good vibes, and you my friend know how to spread them. Respect to you my homie
@@hihunter7 Thanks for the kind words man!!!!
Putting Jameis alongside Bradford is brutal lmao.
He should be a b
Yea interceptions aren’t that big of a deal. The stats prove it
@@voiceofreason2674 Interceptions are a HUGE deal. It doesn't matter hiw great your stats are if you throw 30 interceptions in a season. No team can overcome that.
@@ariefraiser140 at most he threw 18-20 picks that year, almost half of his ints were in the hands of his receivers before they coughed it up for DBs to make the int
@@longtran2492 stop with the pathetic excuses. Tom Brady came in one year later with virtually the same Tampa receiving core (and team) and tossed only 12 interceptions while leading the team to the Superbowl. Jameis Winston and his ungodly high interceptions was the issue in Tampa.
Goff I think has finally come back from those years. It seems he's turned around his career now being NFC north champs and having the chance to make a playoff run
It’s kinda sad that when Luck was playing the Colts had a great QB and basically the worst O-line in the league. Now they have basically the best O-line in the league but have no QB. They’re currently on their 3rd starting QB in 3 years as I type this
5th in 5
As a Bengals fan, I'm glad they seem to have taken the lessons of Luck's experience to heart and made it a priority to get an improved o-line in free agency. I don't want to see Burrow's career trajectory follow Luck's...
@@thomasrinschler6783 Ruh roh this season ain't looking too hot for that Oline at the moment
Now they have….. no O line
one more trash QB this year
You know you’re a bad franchise when you get the number 1 pick 6 years apart
2 years in a row**
For the browns
@@romanprozapas3730 that’s obvi tho and more likely than getting it 6 years apart think ab it you draft any player and you get em for 5 years that’s just any player now imagine being a number 1 pick at QB and not getting getting past the 5th year only 4 QBs have ever done that lmao
@@romanprozapas3730 granted he got 6 years but that’s ain’t much better
You talking about the rams? They only got the 1st pick in 2016 from a trade
Something else that is interesting about Jameis. In 2019 he threw a total of 40 touchdowns. 33 to his team, and 7 to the other team. Think about that for a second.
And Tom Brady had almost 500 fewer passing yards and only 42 total passing touchdowns. Could’ve kept Jameis for much cheaper. I think the Bucs made a mistake
@@nicholasselke5214how did they make a mistake, when they won a Super Bowl because of him?
Cam wasn't let go shortly after the season... He was let go at the end of the next preseason after losing the position battle to Mac Jones
Still an s tier qb so who cares
@@Am1sco for like 3 years. A for another 3 and then B or lower the rest of his career. Can't judge the guy on early success alone. If we start doing that, then Eddie Lacy is an S tier RB.
@@dtice69 Lacy didn’t win an NFL MVP tho dude!
Nor does he hold an NFL record for most TD scored by a QB.
@@Kenji.Artistry_ Most rushing touchdowns* (scored by the position who is supposed to be good at throwing it)
not really as impressive as you want it to be
@@Rhapbus1 the fact it’s still a record! Not to account for the MVP season and the effect he’s had on the game is enough for me! Tell me another QB you’ve seen at Cams size do what he does??….. It doesn’t matter how you get it done!! The fact he’s done what he’s been able to accomplish with the franchise he’s been with is saying something. (Beside the year + with the patriots)
Edit: tell me a few good receivers he’s had over his career that have been worth something especially in Carolina beside the names of: Steve smith and a TIGHT END in Greg Olsen?
just an added note, that clowney bowl game was in his sophomore year. that launched him into Heisman frontrunner status his junior year.
Good job giving us a full 18 minutes of content in one vid. Love your vids
John 3:16 “for God so loved the world he sacrificed his one and only son” put your faith in God!!
@@davidhawkins3031 bro what u talking abt
man I miss my colts having luck at QB he was so fun to watch. Was very tragic how his career ended
I'm hoping matt ryan can give you guys the push to go all the way
Yeah Luck was the man
I don’t think it was tragic, yes he got injured hard, but many players keep going even after injuries like that and either have significant life sustaining injuries or go into hard declines after said Injuries. Luck was smart in getting out while he was ahead before having life sustaining injuries or having the career decline
@@blake1954 Not seeing Luck play with our current O line and JT is tragic tho.
goff is probably in A tier now
S
There’s no way Goff is B-tier over Winston who has a passing title 💀 Goff is a bum
Big facts
Goff is a goodfella. Watch him take over NFC North in 2022.
Damien Rubensson my brother in Christ you can’t be serious 💀
This comment is gonna haunt u
@@damienrubensson2211bro is a psychic
Cam was actually released after the 2021 preseason
KTO is the greatest football channel on YT. No argument
I mean Flemo and him are tied to me.
@@nicholasalexander9866 fair
Urinating tree?
Garret has 58.5 sacks in just four seasons imagine what his stats will be in four more years 😳
Sorry Jesus, 5 seasons
i dont like he steelers nor hate the browns but TJ Watt has 72 sacks in 5 years thats almost 14 nore sacks than Garrett
TJ Watt better
Second to Nick Bosa I hope
He's definitely in Hall of Fame pace
I remember Lucks retirement like it was yesterday, I cried that night when I found out the news. Luck could have been very special, but with Grigson not drafting offensive linemen, it definitely hurt his chances of possibly getting a superbowl, and a couple MVPs. I still believe in my heart he would be on the path to the hall of fame if he stayed healthy
I cried at work. Had to take 5 to pull myself together. Qbs like that dont just grow on trees. Oh what could have been..
I’m a Pats fan and so I’m obligated to look down on the Colts, but goddamn it broke my heart when Luck retired
My excitement is unparalleled every time KTO drops a new video. Easily my favorite in-depth football channel
I believe I’ve seen you do this for the 2000’s and It was my favorite video you’ve ever made. I think it would be interesting if you did it for the 90’s or maybe 2nd overall picks in the 2000’s
Been watching "winning time", and I just realize Cam, even tho I may not like him, was kinda like magic Johnson for a little bit for the league.
No he wasn’t.
@@Selassadi I mean he won rookie of the year , pro bowl player, won the MVP. Personality wise he was exactly like Magic. On the success side he was definitely less.
Cam's best seasons were his rookie year and his MvP year. That's it. The guy never touched a 4000 yd season after year 1, and threw under 20 TDs for half of his career per season. He was a great football specimen but his stats are mediocre. At least he can say he won a national championship, won a Heisman, won an NFL MvP, and went to a SB. This guy will still get into the HoF with that resume.
@@pedro67999 that smile too.
You are high
Baker Mayfield may not have been the perfect #1 overall pick in terms of physical and mental ability…and yet the Browns will regret ditching him for Watson in the end
Nawh they won’t lol
I think it’s say to say Trey Lance is the new mr irrelevant
This is Brock’s time now
Always keen for this style of vid. Garrett might end up in S tier if he can stay healthy.
He's good enough for S but in hindsight, it's hard to give the pick that rating when they had no QB in the Mahomes-Watson draft
In Winston's defense, if any other QB ate the W, they would not have been made fun of.
Luck was so fun to watch...hope he's doing well 🙏
"He started out poorly, throwing 7 interceptions in his opening game and 69 on the season while only managing to throw 8 TDs, ending the season with only 730 all purpose yards. However, he did manage to hand the ball off perfectly for 2 rushing TDs in his final game. For that reason, I think he deserves to be placed in the B-tier."
Who?
Agree with everything except Goff. I’d probably have him in C tier. He really only had one great season. The rest have been average or below average
That Lions team talent wise was the worst in the NFL by quite a wide margin.
Stafford was written off by many on that trash heap of a franchise, and first year out he won a SB. No doubt Stafford is an upgrade from Goff, but IMO Stafford was an elite QB stuck on a terrible team for years now. It’s insane how many games the dude carried that team to win.
I wouldn’t write off Goff just yet. Neither would I for Jamies and certainly not Baker. If the Lions can rebuild a solid team we’ll see a very solid QB with Goff. To me he’s like Eli Manning.
Jamies has really turned up the maturity and being honest with himself. He’ll look mediocre for a couple years as the Saints rebuilt but ultimately i think he’s gonna be the Benjamin Button of QBs with his best years during his mid and late 30s.
Baker is gonna have the largest chip on his shoulder in the world. I think he lost it on the Browns by having early success. He needed a good kick in the ass to get back that fiery spirit that made him so good in college.
Give me Baker over Goff any day of the week.
He’s not doing so bad right now tho
@@dogmd7 …
Goff right now is firmly in the B tier with A tier upside
"An insane 30 interceptions"
Don't forget, that 30th interception came on a game ending pick 6 in OT against the Falcons to end the season
While you take a bit to upload, its 100% understandable. Your videos are always high quality and interesting, thank you
Damn. That’s just crazy to me luck only played in 6 seasons. Makes me wonder how the colts would have done in these past 2 seasons with the colts.
They made the playoffs with Philip in his Farewell tour, so I reckon it wouldn't have been too different since Josh Allen and company took them out
@@NostalgiaDemon Luck after his last playoff run was looking superbowl the next year, possibly a year after that. If he didn't retire that year, I think the Colts would of made it to the superbowl, instead he retired right at the end of preseason worst timing ever after getting a great coach, great offensive line, great running back and great defense, and if it hadn't been for the Colts needing to find a win now quarterback, they probably have very great receivers. Colts superbowl window that year with luck maybe the next few seasons would of probably been about 4-5 years. So no Philip was the modern Dan Marino great quarterback just wasn't peyton manning, tom brady, or patrick mahomes, he was eli manning, big ben on the wrong team his last year he could still get a team to the playoffs but he wasn't going to take them to the superbowl, he was always a desperation. It's sad because the Colts other than their receivers being less than average, they defintely have a strong potential to be the next dynasty unfortuantly that window is closing and I'm afraid if the Colts don't get to afc championship this season their superbowl window will be completely closed with chiefs, bills, and bengals having elite style quarterbacks, Lamar still kind of feel he's a better running back than a quarterback, but still on a great team.
I feel like Bradford would have been better if factors like Jeff Fisher, Chip Kelly, and the Injuries didn’t ruin him
You should do these with every first round pick (1-32) would take a while but they won’t have to be back to back. Could be a long series that you do like monthly so it lasts a couple years lol
It’s funny to watch this video after the 2023-2024 season, cool to see Goff and Mayfield playing well and getting a contract
Cam deserves S tier In my opinion he accomplished so much without any notable weapons Steve smith for a couple seasons
S tier for being an average QB to below average for majority of his career?
Cam is more like B tier. His rookie year and his MvP season were his best, but all the other seasons in between were mediocre. Would definitely rate him higher if it wasn't for that. But he does get bonus points for winning a national championship, a Heisman, an NFL MvP, and having 1 SB appearance. Even some of the all-time greats can't say they've accomplished that.
Cam is not a Hall of Famer.
@@crummockiphail9720 not as a first ballot. But he will get in eventually, only because of the MvP award. Time will tell.
Dusty Rhodes Don't forget about Greg Olson. But yeah I see you're point.
As a pocket passer, Cam was always average at best. Inaccurate and turnover prone. SimIlar to Vick, the excitement of the rushing stats overshadowed being just an ok QB.
I felt like “A” was a little generous but it’s his list, not mine and really emojoyws the video. You’re spot on with “average at best”
I just wish people would put respect on Winston’s name . Dude thrown for over 5000k yards only very few qbs have done that . Acting like it’s easy . He did have 30 int but look at a lot of qbs first season or so Favre , manning , elway, just to name a few ..
i love your vides, this one included, but I don't understand Winston in C when Goff is in B
The same reason why Eli will most likely be a HOFer, while Rivers will not: the Super Bowl.
Goff made it to one, Winston not.
And Brady proved what a talented team he had at hand.
@@bluerisk they should both be in the hall of fame, Matt Ryan too
Goff has really improved a lot in the past year since this was made. Would you still rank him C tier?
This video has quickly aged. Goff is definitely mid to high B, and Baker seems to be having a Renaissance at Tampa
Clowney managed to turn one massive highlight play in college into an entire pro career.
Just like Zack Wilson
I am a patriots fan, and if I hear one more UA-camr talk about lucks “ reckless play style“, I am going to blow a gasket. Being left to die behind one of the worst offensive lines is not reckless on the part of the quarterback.
What does being a patriots fan have to do with the rest of the comment?
@@CrimsonKobaNakirigumi meaning I have no love for the colts. Emphasizing impartiality in my assessment of Andrew luck
KTO, love the videos keep up the quality content. 👌
I remember being so hyped when the Rams got Goff. But I’m just relieved that Stafford was the guy who got the job done
Would be cool to do this with all QB’s, maybe 2010-2015, then 2016-2021
According to Skip Bayless, Baker’s 11 game stretch at the end of 2020 already made him hall of fame worthy
A slight correction: The 2013 Outback Bowl was not Clowney's last collegiate game, he would play several games in the 2013 season.
Andrew Luck had all the abilities to be an all time great and it’s sad that the colts couldn’t get a solid line in front of him but there’s no way we can put him in the same tier as cam, that’s an mvp.
goff been really good this year. top of B tier bottom A tier
Poor Andrew Luck. His offensive line was the reason for the injuries. He was just being crushed ALL THE TIME! He was awesome and the team just let him down with waiting too long to build the line they currently have. Can you imagine Andrew Luck with the O line they have now?! Holy crap.
It’s a good day when KTO uploads
I love the outros you do on these videos so much lol, gives me goosebumps sometimes especially the Davante Adams one and this one
Love the videos- keep it up- I feel like cam Newton has to be S tier tho, if I told any fan on draft night the QB they selected would go on to make 3 pro bowls, win an MVP, and lead the team to the Super Bowl, they would be through the moon excited, that far exceeds expectations especially with how few top 10 picks pan out, and a difficult it is to win an mvp and find success in a division that has Matt ryan and drew brees
S tier is clearly labeled as hall of fame tier though. The only player in there that is a pretty safe bet for the hall of fame is Myles Garrett.
I was surprised he got A I thought he was going to get B
I still will never forget when Luck retired I was in boot camp and got a letter saying he retired everyone there was shocked still crazy how it happened out of nowhere.
Jamais is a B to me. I use to watch TB gamed before Brady (my brother is a Bucs fan). He had better peaks than we remember at QB, his team and coaching staff were just developing. But considering his duration and Pro Bowls, I'd slick squeeze him in.
Burrow is gonna be absolutely terrifying this year [2022].
Now that he has a fully functioning offensive line to protect him, I fully expect him and the Bengals to win the Super Bowl.
As a lifelong bucs fan, when Jameis ate that W, I think part of me died inside.
There is ZERO chance Andrew Luck had a better career than Cam Newton. Almost ruined the whole list for me honestly
The 2020's will be interesting to say the least. This years draft is definitely a reminder of 2013 so we'll see how things go
Goff should be D tier, Garrett should be S tier, and Kyler should be the top of B tier. Otherwise, pretty much spot on imo.
Goff is not D tier. Remember when they brought in Stafford they also upgraded WRs and guys who were injured during Goff's time were suddenly available to work with Stafford. It wasn't McVay who beat Mahomes.
Man once again absolutely no mention of Ryan Grigson and Colts management screwing up Luck’s rehab along with providing no O-line and that being blamed on a reckless play style. 🤦♂️
So many NFL draft high with QBs but forgot to build an o-line.
You should do every #1 pick from the 90s
Sam Bradford may be a C tier player but his agent was an S+ agent that man fleeced 4 different nfl teams
if only he could see goff now.
edit: if only he could see baker now.
No way would I put Luck's career above Cam's. Even in retirement he's still coasting on all of that prospect hype.
I’d have to say flip Goff and Winston
Anyone know the song at 11:08 ?
As a raider fan I’m happy it was not the 2000s
Goff is now A tier
I love these types of videos
Murray and Goff in the same tier is criminal
The 2020s could be really good for first overall picks. I could see Trevor taking a big leap forward this year with a new coach.
I'm rooting for him for sure. He got into a really unfortunate situation
Jameis got a hold of some glasses and realized he has 4 receivers and not 8.
Give Joe Burrow another few years and maybe he'll end up like Cam Newton and Andrew Luck. I'm not betting on it, but the end was a little unfair to Newton and Luck.
Uh no?
Not so. Unlike Cam and Luck, Burrow avoids getting hit. And the Bengals' offensive line has gotten much better through free agency.
You can tell who doesn't watch football. Bengals got 3 new starting linemen
@@user-pv1yx5dq6l and?? Collins is the only decent one.
I will stand till my grave, KTO has the best outro of all time period! The instrumental, the highlight and the weird like zoom sound idk what to call it. Period has the best outro!
Smart man putting Luck in A tier. I thought for sure he was going in S 🤣
As a lions fan, I have a lot of confidence in Goff
He's not awful, he's okay at worst. But I see them wanting to upgrade at QB after the next season
I absolutely agree with your list. Great job on the video. Burrow will be s tier soon.
The crazy thing about Bradford is when you ask dudes who have played with him who was the most talented QB they played with, a bunch say Bradford
I think Goff really isnt that bad, when the system is good he could be great, the problem was when the identity changed he was expected to somehow improvise. When Gurley got hurt so did the system that Goff was use to, but instead of bringing in the pieces, they opted to simply throw him to a dysfunctional team.
MVP Gurley: 4688Yds 32 TD/12 Int
Gurley injured: 4638 22 16
Gurley gone: 3952 20 13
C is a fair rating, but only in todays stupid-A** pass happy NFL, to give you perspective of how much we changed from what defines a good QB here is John Elways Last PRO BOWL/SUPER BOWL season stats
John Elway 2806 Yds 20 TD's 10 Ints
Note: John Elway has thrown 4K yds one time in his entire career.
Point is, what we consider avg usually is good enough IF you had a solid TEAM, but now we stick our QB's in shotgun all day like they are in college, and rely on just them to carry the whole franchise. I don't think there are that many bad QB;s just not good teams as a whole.
All facts
Cant wait for “Ranking every #1 draft pick from the 2020’s
Crazy to say but I believe Cam Newton will be in the NFL hall of fame when it’s all said and done.
fasho his rushing numbers alone should get him there
hell no
@@kylelaforest3486 oh ok Kyle..
I’m from Rock Hill, SC and I went to South Pointe right as he was graduating and even if he wasn’t the guy in the NFL, he’s our guy. Of side note, I’ve been a diehard Seattle fan all my life, and the day he signed felt like a dope fever dream
Goff is turning it around look at his numbers it’s week 4 and he’s tied #1 in passing touchdowns and #3 in passing yards. The dude doesn’t get much credit , also compare his stats to Mathew staffords right now and also compare the weapons they have and Goff is still doing better despite his situation. Looks like the rams made a mistake trading him
I'm still confused how Winston threw 30 TD's and 30 ints in the same season. It's a mind blowing stat.
As a panthers fan thank you for putting cam into A tier, we know you didn’t have too haha
I remember after Jameis' 30 INT season he announced he was getting lasik and people thought hed stop throwing picks
I miss Andrew Luck :(
I understand he hasn't exactly been perfect.
But don't forget about the fact that the cardinals were easily the best team in the NFC this year, up until their unexpected loss in the playoffs. They had one bad game, but both the team and Murray deserve a little bit more respect than they seem to be given recently..
i think he’ll be in A tier soon if he keeps improving like he has each season. it’s just that he’s only played 3 seasons. give him more time
Goff has to be C- tier. He’s behind Jamis for sure
absolutely.
He had 2 playoff seasons with a super bowl appearance? What does Jameis have?
Jamis didn't appear in a Super Bowl
@@MagicalBread Jameis didn't have Sean McVay, Todd Gurley, Aaron Donald, or any of the multitude of players on that Rams team.
@@nathan.d.c he had mike Evan’s and Chris Godwin
Andrew Luck… the greatest “what-if” in NFL history
Wonder where Goff would rank now
Goff and Newton: drafted #1 overall
Brady: Imma ruin these men whole careers
Jared Goff struggling without Sean McVay is because he was on the Lions
Goff did struggle/decline with the Rams though
Goff was pretty much like a Matt Ryan, except he didn't have the icy veins to be consistent like Matty Ice. With the right team and coach, Goff can make them contenders for sure.
It’s such a shame that Luck had to retire early because of injuries, I still believe he could have played to his mid or even late 30’s if he had a solid o line to protect him before the injuries began to stack up