Hey Tug, thanks for making this video and publishing it on my birthday! I was very glad to help with checking the script and providing some source material for your editing use. Any more questions you have on Thomas media, feel free to ask! Here are some additional notes for collectors/total Thomas nerds: 7:20 'Tis a Gift was first released on VHS in 1992. 9:49 Engine Friends also has the US Ringo dub of Trouble in the Shed (first time it was released on DVD in the US along with the two Trevor episodes). 15:08 "Tenders and Turntables and Other Stories" got retitled "Tenders and Turntable and Other Stories" (no "s" at the end of "Turntable") on the 1992 front cover and the left and right spines. This also got carried over to the 1994 Time-Life VHS cover, spines and VHS label as well. 38:00 So far, only three (maybe four) copies of the "early master" of Percy's Ghostly Trick have been found by Thomas fans. All of the tapes we've documented that have the "early master" are blue cassettes (as you mentioned) and they have the number "350441" on the lid (the blue flap that says "Do not touch the tape inside"). This means that, if you find a blue tape Ghostly Trick, look for "350441" on the lid. If it has a different number, it's likely to be the standard 2000 master instead of the "early master". 40:08 All of the James Goes Buzz Buzz tapes that Thomas collectors have found with Thomas' Christmas Party have a print date of October 14, 1994. Any print date within a few days of this might also have it. To see the print date, look on the bottom of the tape (the side that is facing out when you put the tape into a VCR). It'll have white text showing the VHS title and the date and time the VHS was manufactured. Mine and a few other copies with Christmas Party at the end say "101494" in that print date text which means 10/14/94 or October 14, 1994. 41:41 Some George Carlin Thomas Gets Tricked VHS tapes have a little sticker on the front cover that says "Kids First!". Other Thomas VHS covers from early 1995-1996 also have this sticker, so, if you see one with that sticker, it's a pretty good indicator on the front cover that it could possibly be the George Carlin master. Notably, they still use the 1992 cover style as I think the cover redesign hadn't been completed by that early in 1995. The best identifier for the Carlin tape, however, is the unique VHS label and early 1995 print date. 43:14 The font used in the HiT era title cards was actually not Flange BQ (though Flange BQ looks amazingly similar). The font is actually a slightly modified font aptly named Sodor Bold. 44:01 The Bumper Party Collection! DVD isn't the only time the UK dub of S7 was paired with Hartshorne's re-score. S8 and S9 half-hour airings on Nick Jr. in the UK also featured the Hartshorne re-scores and, interestingly enough, 12 of the 13 S8 half-hour airings were released on DVD in South Africa (3 airings were also released on VHS in South Africa) with Michael Angelis' narrations and Robert Hartshorne's music. This includes 3 of the 4 episodes featured on the Bumper Party Collection! DVD (What's the Matter with Henry?, Gordon and Spencer and Three Cheers for Thomas). The syncing between the narration and dubbing track is very slightly different between the half-hour airing versions and the Bumper Party Collection! DVD versions (this also happened in the US on the Track Stars VHS/DVD episodes when compared to the half-hour airings). All this said, you're right about one episode: Rheneas and the Roller Coaster. Bumper Party Collection! is, in fact, the only ever time the UK got a trace of Rheneas and the Roller Coaster with Michael Angelis' narration paired with Robert Hartshorne's music because Rheneas and the Roller Coaster didn't air in the half-hour airings on Nick Jr. in the UK/PBS in the US/Treehouse in Canada. 45:53 This is my opinion and I could be wrong here but I don't think Anchor Bay knew in advance that their contract with HiT was ending in 2008. HiT pretty suddenly moved its US distribution exclusively to Lionsgate in late 2008 without Anchor Bay getting much notice. Anchor Bay could have possibly planned Thomas Meets the Queen for a 2009 DVD release but never were able to do so.
@@GuyThatLikesYohane To be honest, I don't know who discovered Thomas' Christmas Party on the James Goes Buzz Buzz VHS or why it was put after the end credits.
Can oliver11gwr please send me wild water rescue, james goes buzz buzz, engine friends and thomas snowy supries. I really need those dvds. Can you please help me and send them to me.
I think the 'Look out for the train' bit is probably the most bizarre thing that slipped through the net in terms of these oddities. And you'd be surprised how many people claim that this oddity is not real.
And yet, GWR Studios proved it WAS real during a live stream on Christmas Eve years ago. Just go to the time code [2:16:39] if you are still skeptical about this oddity.
I remember as a kid that really creeped me out when I first heard it on the 1992 Strand Home Video release I had rented from a local video store. I was REALLY confused what had just happened. Then a couple days later I got a personal copy of the 1995 tape with the original 1990 Strand VCI program and saw that little Sir Topham Hatt message at the end. That ALSO confused me why the previous tape didn’t have that, but I had shrugged it off, but I was confused why I didn’t hear that audio glitch. For years, I had thought maybe I hallucinated it until I read about that glitch being on “one version” of the episode via tv tome (RIP) and tried looking on all copies I had of the episode……. Nothing. I was even MORE confused. Then I saw someone upload the glitched audio years later on UA-cam in 2007 and…… it all came flooding back to me when I got familiar with which version of that tape had the glitch. Honestly it is a strange glitch but I do also hate that the Thomas fandom milked it to death and turned it into a meme.
The alt title of "Bill & Ben's Excellent Adventure" for Buffer Bother is a little less out of place when you learn George Carlin plays a major character in the original film
Being an early 2000's kid, I'm part of the last generation to have lived through the golden era of home media. I miss the good old days of watching my old Thomas and Friends VHS' and DVD's so much.
I love “Look out for the train 🤭” so much. As a kid I thought it was so weird, and I’m so glad we have people like you to keep these little quirks alive.
56:35 I remember back in 2017 when watching Goof videos from GWR Studios and he pointed out the audio error. For a short time after, the "Look out for the train" became a joke and meme. But, i dont understand how is this still obscure after the views regarding the audio.
Yeah, I remember that. Though, correct me if I’m wrong, for sometime until his livestream covering the goofs in Thomas’ Christmas Party, many people thought that audio mistake wasn’t real and thought that he himself did it as a joke.
9:18 I distinctly remember Percy Takes the Plunge as I had both the VHS and DVD versions with Ringo’s narration wedged between George Carlin. My dad tried telling me he was the famous drummer for the Beatles, but I was too focused on reenacting the episode with my Trackmasters. :D
Not typically the type to comment but holy dude. You have improved so much as a creator. Not to discredit any past works, but you have really nailed your cadence and editing. Genuinely a top tier creator. You know your stuff and it shows. Looking forward to seeing what you make next! Hoping for more model content tbh, I adore your take on things
Just gonna point out that the reason Trouble For Thomas got so effed up later on is because their master source for Carlin was just ripped directly from Shining Time Station. You can even hear it start as such on the A Big Day VHS.
That doesn’t make sense. Why would the George Carlin dub be there if George Carlin’s Shining Time Station episodes are for Seasons 3 and 4 of Thomas and Friends?
@@robbiewalker2831 What... are you talking about? Carlin re-narrated Seasons 1 and 2 of Thomas and took over as Mr. Conductor on Shining Time starting with the second season. "Jingle, Jingle, Jingle" the 19th episode of the second seaaon of Shining Time, contains Trouble For Thomas as the second featured episode, where the audio is sourced from, and the episode ends early on it, hence this error.
I am just waiting to hear a mention of “Look out for the train.” I remember that old video that GWR Studios made years ago. Edit: Aha! Here it is. 56:43-56:46
35:02 The “Gone Fishing” draft is fascinating to me because believe it or not, this version of the song has been played on the speakers in Thomas Land (Drayton Manor) since the park’s opening (2008) and is still played today🤯 Whoever made the park’s song compilation audio track, goodness knows how they were sent Junior’s draft. But I kinda love that it’s still used ^^
Glad that Tug touched on the "Look out for the train" line in Thomas and the Trucks, and the out-of-sync dialogue and music in the last few minutes of the episode. It's also nice he touched on the out-of-sync dialogue in Thomas and Percy's Mountain Adventure; its quite the oddity.
The Trust Thomas 1995 VHS was my very first exposure to Thomas in my life! Toby and Mavis made me laugh, Henry’s Forest made me cry, and No Joke for James introduced me to my favorite character! Damn, that’s some good nostalgia!
Trivia: In Thomas & Friends Classic Volume 1, in the episode, “Thomas Gets Tricked”, while the George Carlin narration normally plays, a brief snippet of Ringo Starr’s narration can be heard near the end of the episode.
There’s another oddity. If you watch the Roku Channel version of Thomas & Gordon which is narrated by George Carlin, after Gordon and Thomas arrive at Wellsworth, and the narrator says “At last they stopped at a station. Thomas was uncoupled and he felt very silly and exhausted”, it changes to Ringo Starr’s narration and then it switches back to Carlin’s. It’s an odd one but it’s also pretty cool to hear 2 different English speaking narrators in 1 episode.
Wait wha?! How did they f*ck it up?! Did like the Audio for Carlin’s dub got corrupted for that one part or something and they had to grab Ringo’s to replace it?
I agree, but also, Buffer Bother is such a boring episode that's neither an adventure nor features one of the twins for most of it (I don't remember which) so I'm glad they didn't waste the title on it.
It’s literally the *GREATEST* name for an episode I think I’ve ever heard. And the imaginary of Bill and Ben official saying *EXCELLEEEENT* in an actual episode is amazing XD
I had known about the "Look out for the train" line ever since GWR Studios pointed it out in his Thomas and the Trucks Goofs video. He got comments saying the line wasn't real, even when he played it live on his TV during a Christmas special. The "Look out for the train" line became such a meme on his channel, with it being quoted and referenced in other videos. As a kid, I never really believed him on that goof, but it was shocking to see now that he was right all along. Great video Tug!
“Yes. We'll see… We'll see if he's cool when we subject him to the Apple Jacks Test.” “Not the Apple Jacks Test!” “YES THE APPLE JACKS TEST!” A little NC reference
This is a really cool video, I’m sure some may find it boring, but I love it when people talk about Thomas home media oddities, that rabbit hole is endless! If there is one thing I wish you had mentioned, it’s the fact that the 2009 Lionsgate version of Hooray for Thomas has an updated disc while every other Lionsgate reprint used the og disc design, I still have no idea why the hell it was like that
"New Friends with Thomas" is such a bizarre little DVD. It's simultaneously one of two American DVDs with Mike and Junior's Season 7 score and the only American DVD with Michael Angelis's thoroughly apathetic narration (blame having to use American terminology). That, and Spencer's got two funnels on the cover.
Blame HiT for his slower narration. I’m sure that if the HiT executives let him, Angelis would have still been energetic like he was in seasons 3 through 6.
This is unrelated to Thomas but bluey episode called tickle crabs has in the Xfinity release for some reason after the episode end the title card and the intro and outro without any words and with no audio it was the creepiest thing I ever saw and in no longer to my knowledge because it was changed to the original episode that's on Disney Plus
There is ONE other thing to add...in most versions of the story Whistles & Sneezes, there was always this little music during the line "Gordon puffed sadly away" but for some reason, it's not heard in the original UK version, except for the "Double Audio" version of Coal & Other Stories
Just remembered something, in the case of "Thomas and his friends help out" there are some versions of it that have this one line from STH at the end of Foolish Freight Cars "After that performance, you deserve to keep your red coat" the only other time you HEAR that line, is in the Shining Time Stn airing of said story
The "look out for the train" thing is interesting for me, because I never owned a "Thomas Gets Tricked" VHS myself, but rather I came across it when my family stayed at a motel in Georgia for a vacation, and the rooms had a small collection of random VHS's (I guess to entertain kids like me, at the time), and one of them was a Ringo Starr release of said VHS, which I want to say was my first exposure to these dubs of the episodes included. And, of course, it was one of the releases that included said "look out for the train" goof, which I distinctly remember being so caught off guard by, even back then when I was 12 years old, that I rewound that part over & over just to make sure I wasn't just hearing things. So, when it started becoming a big revelation to the fandom in the past decade or so that this goof existed in select releases of this VHS/episode, I was (probably) one of the few who had seen living proof that it really existed. Anyway, I also have my own theory as to why this very weirdly specific goof exists: so when they were re-editing the audio for the episodes for the original US release(s) (since Ringo Starr had to redo some lines in the episodes with "Americanized" terminology), the person in charge of editing must have made an error while doing so and accidentally left a gap in the original filmed footage of the final shot used in Thomas and The Trucks (sort of similar to the "echo" goofs you brought up in this video with the "dubbing track" sometimes getting left in by accident). So, I think the person who said "look out for the train" is most likely one of the original series' crew members (maybe someone giving the camera operator directions for the panning shot up Gordon's Hill). Now, as for why this goof seems to only exist on the SECOND release of the VHS and onward (til 2007), I have no idea, but then again a lot of the other goofs you brought up in this video are weird & hard to explain how it could have happened...
Troublesome Trucks (“Foolish Freight Cars”) and Down the Mine each have one line of dialogue cut on the Thomas and his Friends Help Out DVD I had-with the latter episode having the whole segment featuring the dialogue line cut rather than simply muted as in the former. I’m guessing it was a damaged tape that the distributor ripped from for the DVD release.
The Foolish example was likely because the line in question (STH saying James deserves to keep his coat) doesn't make sense without the context of the previous one, but that hasn't been a concern in any other instance (including within the same tape), not to mention the episode opens by referencing the bootlace.
For that first entry, my belief is that the reason they specified Thomas in the VCS release is because since it was the first VCS tape of TTTE, they wanted to make known who was each individual character and wanted to audience to make sure of it. As for why they didn’t do it during Shining Time, maybe it could’ve been the fact that we were already introduced to Thomas by the conductor and given a summary by him before the episode, so there was no need to specify who was Thomas.
The best part about the old Thomas home media, particularly from season 6, is all of the bonus features you can listen to. Whether it’s fun and games, read along, or even character, bios, revealing lie vs,, you might not know about them. For example, these character galleries revealed that Harvey lives lives at the Sodor Waterworks
Here are reasons or my theories: "Off Thomas Ran...": Most likely a mixup where the VHS company got an earlier US version that ended up not being used in Shining Time. Ringo Dubs: I think (and rightly so) they wanted to still give credit to Ringo now and again, particularly in later years. Most Americans still associate him with Thomas. Best of Percy was probably a one off experiment they did that wasn't continued in the other "Best Of" videos for whatever reason. I actually did a similar thing where I made a custom Best of Henry and had Whistles & Sneezes as as "custom" Ringo US dub (easy to do as STH is only said once). Extended Thomas Gets Tricked VHS: I reckon maybe they had planned to release this as a larger VHS like Get Along or Help Out, either as the original with bonus episodes or just some combination video like Ultimate Christmas. Carlin's Thomas Gets Tricked took forever to get out on video, not until the Halloween DVD. US Titles: I think this was simply to make the titles more appealing or unique. You have to admit, most of the UK titles are just "Character & Character/Thing". However they did go too far with some just adding "The" like The Gallant Old Engine. Echoing VHS: Daisy seemed to have the worst "echoing" and I wonder if that was due to that and Percy's Predicament not appearing on Shining Time Station so they had to do their own edit which made it more screwed up. The echoing could have also just been issues with audio mixing from different sources. I do know the Wallace & Gromit DVD I have is slightly slower speed because of some PAL conversion issue from the UK. Thomas & the Jet Engine was a unique one for me as they went through the effort to put the original music back with Michael Brandon. Why couldn’t they release S7 on DVD with the original music?
Interestingly, the UK dub of Wrong Road had the busy theme play while Mr Conductor explains how Gordon and Edward’s evening trains run, which was cut from the US dub. TBH cutting the busy theme from the US dub worked cause that theme felt out of place to me in that shot.
The Classic Series had the most wonderful home media. Everything about those first 7 Seasons triumphs every other era including the home media. And I gotta say, I love some of these oddities on these releases, like the weird compilation dvd “Mud Glorious Mud”. Or some of the random Ringo Starr dubs like in Percy Takes the Plunge from Best of Percy. But I can’t say I love all the oddities, like the out of sync issues for Trouble for Thomas from Best of Thomas or Percy’s Promise from Friends Help Out. And can you believe that the very first release which is Thomas Gets Tricked, has the weirdest history, from the rare George Carlin version with extra episodes (I have no reason why they did that), and the infamous “Look out for the train”. Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends was always up to something on home media.
It's probably just nostalgia but the HIT Era DVDs had some cool stuff on them too. Even if the episodes, even at the time, were very lackluster compared to the classic stuff (Though once in awhile a classic episode will be slipped in from what I remember)
The fact that on early vhs's you could just get an extra episode is very fascinating. Trying to find one of the early versions is like trying to win the lottery.
You know I'm glad somebody has brought up some of this weird stuff. Percy Takes the Plunge on the Best of Percy dvd was my first exposure to Ringo Starr as kid and I was so confused XD. My Thomas Gets bumped Dvd was the echoed version (like literally for years i thought Duck's theme in season 3 just always sounded echoed), and I've actually showing my friend the Thomas this year and I'm learning just how jacked up a good chunk of the episodes are on Amazon. The funniest one being George Carlin's narration randomly fading into Ringo's in the middle of Thomas gets Tricked then fading back lol.
I absolutely adore Junior Cambell’s singing voice in the Gone Fishing music video, I was never aware of the fact that wasn’t intended to be released. Very intriguing vid.
That draft version was also on the Thomas' Songs & Roundhouse Rhythms album. I remember buying that off iTunes and wondering why it sounded different to the version I remembered.
46:27 ah yes, the original name board endings. I miss these, they're from the original 1984 and 1986 VHS releases of Thomas in the UK. When I did get the UK DVD, I was so disappointed that they did't include these.
21:26 I think I know what happened here. So they might’ve only had the audio of the version where the credits theme plays right after the narrator says “Really Useful Engine”. And perhaps they also had a clear dubbing track of the episode too, so what they might’ve done was add in the dubbing track straight after “Really Useful Engine” was said and that’s why you hear a few seconds of the credits theme. Hope that makes sense 😉
One of my favorite parts of Thomas is the home media. It’s so wonderful and there is so much history behind every single release. I am flabbergasted by your collection, Tug! Great video!
27:19 I owned that Echo copy of Daisy as a kid! I thought it was a weird stylized choice for the tape, or something. I actually loved the echoy music for that one single tape. Something about it still makes me nostalgic for that sound.
This is very fascinating. These oddities were quite surprising. I would like to point out that the Classic Volumes that are seen nowadays, while the George Carlin and Alec Baldwin dubs were shown to have the same weirdness from the original versions, some episodes in the digital versions of restored volumes retain their UK title card in the intro. Some examples include “Edward, Gordon and Henry” instead of “Henry to the Rescue”, “Trucks” instead of “Rusty Helps Peter Sam” and a peculiar offender, “Thomas and Percy’s Christmas Adventure” instead of “Mountain Adventure”.
The original 1992 _Trust Thomas_ VHS is my favorite Thomas release of all time! It has such a unique vibe! From the choice of all Season 3(A) episodes, to the unique choice of font, to the music and visuals of the episodes.
35:00 think it also adds a bit to the scene, that in the original 94 release and US version, they made the crash sound effect a little louder than the final
Bruh I grew up so much with the great out of sync audio of “Trouble for Thomas” and “Thomas and Percy’s Mountain Adventure “ that now whenever I hear the versions with the fixed audio sync, it feels damn creepy XD. Great Video and such a nostalgic trip for me since I used to owned a number of a Thomas VHS’S.
21:08 as a kid I always thought this was a pause for dramatic affect for the fact Sir Topham Hatt just scolded Thomas. Like you said, now as an adult I cannot unhear it.
6:26 huh...I never heard that line when James crosses the Viaduct whenever I watched that episode, I only seem to know it from the Carlin dub as he's leaving the station.
29:49 As an American, I’ve always heard this part without the music as a kid. So, when I later discovered that there was supposed to be music here, I was mind blown and for some reason, I’m actually really in love with this little ditty. It’s just so feisty and cute. Anyway, awesome job, Tug! This was such an interesting video as I’ve never heard of some of these changes. I really enjoyed watching this!
Amazing! I own a copy of "Thomas Gets Tricked" and yet I never noticed how many changes were made. Admittingly, my copy is the 1995 Ringo Star release but aside from that "then off Thomas Ran, laughing!" bit, it doesn't include "Look out for the train", although now I kind of wish it did. When it comes to this volume, I guess you could say that Thomas really DID get tricked!
13:37 Though Mud Glorious Mud was included later. I want to point out that Not So Hasty Puddings/Not So Hasty Cakes was called Thomas and the Avalanche on this DVD. No idea why though
I used to watch the US dubs of seasons 2 and 3 on UA-cam a lot during the 2010’s, and I did wonder why the background noice and music was pretty echo-ey in some of them. I guess this video answers that question, because many VHS tapes were released with echoes, and they eventually became the source of fan uploads!
The "Look Out for the Train" goof in the 92 VHS release of "Thomas Gets Tricked" had to have been an editing mistake that a Strand Home Video employee (in this case, an editor) made by accident.
Something you forgot to mention about the US dub of Thomas & Gordon is: After Thomas says “Hurry yourself!” In the UK dub, Ringo says “Gordon began making his plan.” However, in all US releases, it was changed to “Gordon the Proud Engine began making his plan to teach Thomas a lesson for teasing him.” Just like with the “And off Thomas ran, laughing” line, for some reason, unnecessary context was added to the US re-release.
Best as I can gather, the new lines and titles, written for Shining Time and the US dub, were designed to be more direct, moralistic and PC: easier for American children to stomach. 'Come Out, Henry' is perhaps the most famous example. As to if this was a good idea, that's a matter of opinion.
3:43 I’m assuming that these changes were made to add a sense of “learning a lesson” to the episode. Perhaps the original line implied an unhappy ending to an American audience, with Thomas “losing” to Gordon. Changes like the occurred throughout Shining Time Station, such as “Come Out, Henry!” setting up that Henry will eventuality get out of the tunnel instead of being left for always in the original.
Ah yes...Look out for the train! Young me always thought it was part of the background music, like being added in as a train-themed lyric. God, my childhood was so good back in the day...
Being a boring old UK guy, most of my VHS tapes were relatively normal, but the one that comes to mind is "My Little Mini-Vid", a tape that has the first 4 episodes for Season 1. A great tape if you're just looking to kill 20 minutes. Everything is normal except for one brief moment at the end of Thomas and Gordon. When Gordon says "Now you know what hard work means", the word "Now" is muted and because of how it's done, it sounds like Gordon has hiccups. The funny thing is, because I was a kid and this was the only release I had for many years that had Thomas and Gordon, this was just how I thought the actual episode was, so when I heard the full thing, I was just so confused... A few years ago, someone uploaded Mini-Vid to UA-cam, so I was double check the tape. It wasn't just me having a damaged tape, it's every copy of it like every Strand Home Video release of Thomas Gets Tricked having that "Look Out For The Train" bit.
One thing only barely covered here, but moreso on UsualBlokeLuke's retrospective: The first two S3 tapes and first S4 tape have early takes of Michael Angelis' narration, with a few extra lines present that were cut from later releases. In the case of 'Rock & Roll,' there is also rearranged and missing music, as is mentioned here.
One correction- the season 7 episodes with hartshorne’s music aired on tv in the uk, in the same season 8 blocks as the us airings, they’re not exclusive to bumper party collection
24:23 Yeah, that always bugged me as a kid. I would watch this episode, and think, "What the heck is going on? why is the audio all messed up?" I hated that...
I am SO glad you mentioned Trucks! / Rusty Helps Peter Sam. The UK dub as far as I can tell is the only version now with the cues in tact. The US dub doesn't have everything and it's such an interesting atmosphere.
8:54. Best of Percy was actually the first time I heard Ringo's narration because being born in 1997, I grew up with Alec Baldwin and George Carlin's narrations.
7:50 I think I have an answer to that. 'Tis a Gift aired in late 1990 with Terence the Tractor and Thomas' Christmas Party. However, the VHS was released in 1992 and by some mysterious reason Terence the Tractor was changed to Thomas and the Missing Christmas Tree. By 1992, Ringo already retired from Thomas, so he couldn't redub the episode.
Surprised you didn't touch how on the Strand Home Video re-releases of the five Ringo Starr tapes all had washed out audio for unexplained reasons, as well as yellow slide transitions at the beginning and end of every episode before the nameboard sequences.
The slide transitions were possibly because the SHV programs used some of the transitions and nameboard sequences from the UK dubs of the applicable episodes. Additionally, the opening credits on the Strand VCI releases of Tenders and Turntables and Better Late Than Never use the original UK title cards as the 1st episode on both tapes kept their original names for the US dub.
I have a good one: In the Brazilian version of Edward Gordon and Henry, the episode was originally narrated by "Tatá Guarnieri" (the official Brazilian narrator of the classic series). But, when the episode was released on the DVD "Aprendendo com o Thomas", we don't really know how or why... but St2 kids (the Brazilian distributor of the DVDs) lost the original dub. So they ended up having to redub the episode with another narrator, and the chosen narrator was "Dario de castro", none other than the official Brazilian narrator of HIT ERA! who had already dubbed some of the classic series episodes before for DVD, but that's because in fact they had no dub, but "Edward Gordon and Henry" was different, because the ep had already been dubbed, but somehow they ended up losing the original dub. And nowadays the Tatá Guarnieri's dub is lost media
One of the best aspects of physical media was that it was a guarantee that the media was dubbed in your own language. But nowadays, when everything is streaming, it is increasingly difficult to find translated dubs and it seems that their number is decreasing while everything is being streamlined internationally into English only. And even though I understand that English is an international language and English-language media helps to learn English, it would still be good if the possibility of media availability in different languages was maintained because otherwise it is not a good development for languages that do not have as strong and large a market as English.
There is also a bit more to Rock 'n' Roll and Other Stories outside of the missing music. Michael Angelis' narration isn't cleaned up to remove any of his breathing or lip smacks between the lines and there are a few bits of narration that would be re-recorded for the finalized versions of the episodes. Surprised you didn't mention the UK tapes Time for Trouble and Other Stories and Trust Thomas and Other Stories as their first editions featured Angelis' infamous early narrations of S3a Also the UK did actually get all of Season 7 with Robert's music, however those were mostly exclusive to half hour airing on Nick Jr, similar to the US with PBS, which means that when Bumper Party Collection was being made they for some reason pulled those masters out instead of the ones with Mike and Junior's music
I'd also like to mention that in the version on Amazon Prime, the very first episode (Thomas Gets Tricked), is the Carlin dub, but manages to somehow use a Ringo Line for when he and Gordon reach the station. Threw me for a loop for sure!
Nice in-depth video. a few things you missed: 1. I can also say on the DVD release of 'Best of Thomas' the audio for 'Thomas and the Trucks' is out of sync. Even as a kid I knew something was off about it, the fact you hear Thomas whistle, before it cuts to the shot of Thomas blowing his whistle. 2. That version of 'Edward, Trevor, and the Really Useful Party' with the dubbing track carried over to the DVD release of 'Thomas Gets Bumped'. 3. the episode releases on 'Hurray for Thomas' weird is that with those weird CGI closeups of the engines they used to transition between episodes, it always ends with a cloud of steam. Well if you look carefully on the episodes on 'Hurray for Thomas' you can see a tiny bit of the ending of that steam transition at the beginning of every episode on the release. 4.Another dead giveaway that 'Mavis' on the 'Trust Thomas' DVD is from '10 Years of Thomas' is that at the beginning of the episode you can hear the whistle SFX used from the transitions from the interviews too the episodes on '10 Years of Thomas'. Again nice video, I will say it's so weird seeing listing to versions of episodes who's music is missing from the DVD's I grew up with, and ya 'Thomas get's Tricked' seems like it couldn't catch a brake back in the 1900's.
My neighbor had the George Carlin release of "Thomas Gets Tricked" with all the extra episodes on it. I remember he let me borrow it for a while. It was baffling and amazing
If only Digital and Physical can Co-Exist. Digital is easier to take around, but there’s a chance that it could be pulled and you can’t access the media you want to watch again. Physical media can be harder to take around, but you don’t have to worry about it being removed if you own it. Sure physical media can stop being produced, but you can still watch the episodes after its discontinuation.
This is why I feel physical media should make a comeback someday. If only they would put effort into the menus again (not that it would make physical media more popular again, but I’m sure it might help a bit).
Another deep cut of a fact you might’ve missed: There were a number of Children’s Favourites DVDs released by HIT Entertainment in the UK during the 2000s, with an episode of Thomas & Friends being present on a large amount of such DVDs. The Thomas episode included in the Groovy Collection DVD, that being “Fergus Breaks the Rules”, strangely used the US dub. This makes it the first and only time a the US dub was ever featured on any form of official UK home media. Believe me, I was both confused and amazed by this discovery when I was younger. 😱
10:41 I have a potential theory for this. Since The Early Years (the US S1 set) got some scathing reviews on Amazon for using calling STH The Fat Controller, (which the buyers don’t know there is a UK dub), the people at HiT decided to use the UK dubs for Ringo episodes on compilation DVDs while making The Greatest Stories unless they mention The Fat Controller, and neither Thomas Gets Tricked or Edward Helps Out mention The Fat Controller. The US dub of Diesel’s Devious Deed is probably there because it mentions STH. TLDR; HiT probably just defaulted to the UK Ringo dubs unless the mentioned The Fat Controller.
Hey Tug, thanks for making this video and publishing it on my birthday! I was very glad to help with checking the script and providing some source material for your editing use. Any more questions you have on Thomas media, feel free to ask!
Here are some additional notes for collectors/total Thomas nerds:
7:20 'Tis a Gift was first released on VHS in 1992.
9:49 Engine Friends also has the US Ringo dub of Trouble in the Shed (first time it was released on DVD in the US along with the two Trevor episodes).
15:08 "Tenders and Turntables and Other Stories" got retitled "Tenders and Turntable and Other Stories" (no "s" at the end of "Turntable") on the 1992 front cover and the left and right spines. This also got carried over to the 1994 Time-Life VHS cover, spines and VHS label as well.
38:00 So far, only three (maybe four) copies of the "early master" of Percy's Ghostly Trick have been found by Thomas fans. All of the tapes we've documented that have the "early master" are blue cassettes (as you mentioned) and they have the number "350441" on the lid (the blue flap that says "Do not touch the tape inside"). This means that, if you find a blue tape Ghostly Trick, look for "350441" on the lid. If it has a different number, it's likely to be the standard 2000 master instead of the "early master".
40:08 All of the James Goes Buzz Buzz tapes that Thomas collectors have found with Thomas' Christmas Party have a print date of October 14, 1994. Any print date within a few days of this might also have it. To see the print date, look on the bottom of the tape (the side that is facing out when you put the tape into a VCR). It'll have white text showing the VHS title and the date and time the VHS was manufactured. Mine and a few other copies with Christmas Party at the end say "101494" in that print date text which means 10/14/94 or October 14, 1994.
41:41 Some George Carlin Thomas Gets Tricked VHS tapes have a little sticker on the front cover that says "Kids First!". Other Thomas VHS covers from early 1995-1996 also have this sticker, so, if you see one with that sticker, it's a pretty good indicator on the front cover that it could possibly be the George Carlin master. Notably, they still use the 1992 cover style as I think the cover redesign hadn't been completed by that early in 1995. The best identifier for the Carlin tape, however, is the unique VHS label and early 1995 print date.
43:14 The font used in the HiT era title cards was actually not Flange BQ (though Flange BQ looks amazingly similar). The font is actually a slightly modified font aptly named Sodor Bold.
44:01 The Bumper Party Collection! DVD isn't the only time the UK dub of S7 was paired with Hartshorne's re-score. S8 and S9 half-hour airings on Nick Jr. in the UK also featured the Hartshorne re-scores and, interestingly enough, 12 of the 13 S8 half-hour airings were released on DVD in South Africa (3 airings were also released on VHS in South Africa) with Michael Angelis' narrations and Robert Hartshorne's music. This includes 3 of the 4 episodes featured on the Bumper Party Collection! DVD (What's the Matter with Henry?, Gordon and Spencer and Three Cheers for Thomas). The syncing between the narration and dubbing track is very slightly different between the half-hour airing versions and the Bumper Party Collection! DVD versions (this also happened in the US on the Track Stars VHS/DVD episodes when compared to the half-hour airings). All this said, you're right about one episode: Rheneas and the Roller Coaster. Bumper Party Collection! is, in fact, the only ever time the UK got a trace of Rheneas and the Roller Coaster with Michael Angelis' narration paired with Robert Hartshorne's music because Rheneas and the Roller Coaster didn't air in the half-hour airings on Nick Jr. in the UK/PBS in the US/Treehouse in Canada.
45:53 This is my opinion and I could be wrong here but I don't think Anchor Bay knew in advance that their contract with HiT was ending in 2008. HiT pretty suddenly moved its US distribution exclusively to Lionsgate in late 2008 without Anchor Bay getting much notice. Anchor Bay could have possibly planned Thomas Meets the Queen for a 2009 DVD release but never were able to do so.
Where are the jump scares
And this is why you are the goat of Thomas home media knowledge! ✨
Who was the first person to discover Thomas Christmas Party on James goes buzz buzz? Also any guess as to why it was put after the credits?
@@GuyThatLikesYohane To be honest, I don't know who discovered Thomas' Christmas Party on the James Goes Buzz Buzz VHS or why it was put after the end credits.
Can oliver11gwr please send me wild water rescue, james goes buzz buzz, engine friends and thomas snowy supries. I really need those dvds. Can you please help me and send them to me.
I think the 'Look out for the train' bit is probably the most bizarre thing that slipped through the net in terms of these oddities. And you'd be surprised how many people claim that this oddity is not real.
I love this one. It feels like a meme.
@@KenKen3593 I think it was for a bit.
And yet, GWR Studios proved it WAS real during a live stream on Christmas Eve years ago.
Just go to the time code [2:16:39] if you are still skeptical about this oddity.
56:45
I remember as a kid that really creeped me out when I first heard it on the 1992 Strand Home Video release I had rented from a local video store. I was REALLY confused what had just happened.
Then a couple days later I got a personal copy of the 1995 tape with the original 1990 Strand VCI program and saw that little Sir Topham Hatt message at the end. That ALSO confused me why the previous tape didn’t have that, but I had shrugged it off, but I was confused why I didn’t hear that audio glitch.
For years, I had thought maybe I hallucinated it until I read about that glitch being on “one version” of the episode via tv tome (RIP) and tried looking on all copies I had of the episode……. Nothing. I was even MORE confused.
Then I saw someone upload the glitched audio years later on UA-cam in 2007 and…… it all came flooding back to me when I got familiar with which version of that tape had the glitch.
Honestly it is a strange glitch but I do also hate that the Thomas fandom milked it to death and turned it into a meme.
8:19
“Silence!”
And there was.
bruh 😭✋
it almost feels like he’s trying to demonstrate what silence is
The alt title of "Bill & Ben's Excellent Adventure" for Buffer Bother is a little less out of place when you learn George Carlin plays a major character in the original film
EXCELLENT! (guitar riff)
"Look out for the train" is the same equivalent to Mortal Kombat 4's "Alright"
Yea 😂
ALL WE HAD TO DO WAS LOOK OUT FOR THE TRAIN, CJ!
Honestly reminded me of Crash Team Racing's "Penguin Yay 1/Penguin Yay 2" lol
@@GamerTTTEBrony Ahh yes, The only reason I've ever mained Penta Penguin in the first place.
That, or MST3K's "Watch out for snakes!"
The first one was actually really eerie, it felt as the "every copy is personalized" kind of situation
Every Thomas The Tank Engine VHS/DVD Is Personalized.
I love that at 32:29 that right after Thomas says duke wont save him Toby looks so terrified out of context.
Being an early 2000's kid, I'm part of the last generation to have lived through the golden era of home media. I miss the good old days of watching my old Thomas and Friends VHS' and DVD's so much.
Same here, man
Don't forget Blu-ray.
Amen
Same here.
Oh yeah same
Fun totally not deadly drinking game: take a shot every time Tug says "howeeeverrrr"
As GWR studios once said
*LOOK OUT FOR THE TRAIN*
Yes! Finally! Thank you!
😂😂😂, what?
I'm glad someone else pointed it out lol. Whatever happened to him? I see the channel's still up but went dead after the Polar Express video.
dam
GWR studios has been posting on his car channel called Neo Auto.
I love “Look out for the train 🤭” so much. As a kid I thought it was so weird, and I’m so glad we have people like you to keep these little quirks alive.
56:35 I remember back in 2017 when watching Goof videos from GWR Studios and he pointed out the audio error. For a short time after, the "Look out for the train" became a joke and meme. But, i dont understand how is this still obscure after the views regarding the audio.
Same here.
I miss GWR studios :(
Yeah, I remember that. Though, correct me if I’m wrong, for sometime until his livestream covering the goofs in Thomas’ Christmas Party, many people thought that audio mistake wasn’t real and thought that he himself did it as a joke.
@@thomasnsonic123 correct, that's exactly what happened
I remember this being brought up on the Sodor Island Forums, as if it were some urban myth which you could vaguely hear in the audio.
9:18 I distinctly remember Percy Takes the Plunge as I had both the VHS and DVD versions with Ringo’s narration wedged between George Carlin. My dad tried telling me he was the famous drummer for the Beatles, but I was too focused on reenacting the episode with my Trackmasters. :D
Not typically the type to comment but holy dude. You have improved so much as a creator. Not to discredit any past works, but you have really nailed your cadence and editing. Genuinely a top tier creator. You know your stuff and it shows. Looking forward to seeing what you make next! Hoping for more model content tbh, I adore your take on things
Just gonna point out that the reason Trouble For Thomas got so effed up later on is because their master source for Carlin was just ripped directly from Shining Time Station. You can even hear it start as such on the A Big Day VHS.
I FOUND YOU
THAT whistle...
That doesn’t make sense. Why would the George Carlin dub be there if George Carlin’s Shining Time Station episodes are for Seasons 3 and 4 of Thomas and Friends?
@@robbiewalker2831 What... are you talking about? Carlin re-narrated Seasons 1 and 2 of Thomas and took over as Mr. Conductor on Shining Time starting with the second season. "Jingle, Jingle, Jingle" the 19th episode of the second seaaon of Shining Time, contains Trouble For Thomas as the second featured episode, where the audio is sourced from, and the episode ends early on it, hence this error.
I will say that timing at 6:55 with the line by James and the music intro then cutting right as the main theme kicks in, that’s perfect
I am just waiting to hear a mention of “Look out for the train.”
I remember that old video that GWR Studios made years ago.
Edit: Aha! Here it is.
56:43-56:46
This was my exact thoughts while watching lol
Yeah, his videos are so funny.
Why is that in there 😂😂😂?
@@kevin-2.1 Don’t ask me.
28:36 I didn't even know they added that thud in, you can barely hear it normally.
35:02 The “Gone Fishing” draft is fascinating to me because believe it or not, this version of the song has been played on the speakers in Thomas Land (Drayton Manor) since the park’s opening (2008) and is still played today🤯
Whoever made the park’s song compilation audio track, goodness knows how they were sent Junior’s draft. But I kinda love that it’s still used ^^
Glad that Tug touched on the "Look out for the train" line in Thomas and the Trucks, and the out-of-sync dialogue and music in the last few minutes of the episode. It's also nice he touched on the out-of-sync dialogue in Thomas and Percy's Mountain Adventure; its quite the oddity.
The Trust Thomas 1995 VHS was my very first exposure to Thomas in my life! Toby and Mavis made me laugh, Henry’s Forest made me cry, and No Joke for James introduced me to my favorite character! Damn, that’s some good nostalgia!
Henry's Forest made me cry as a child as well lol.
Trivia: In Thomas & Friends Classic Volume 1, in the episode, “Thomas Gets Tricked”, while the George Carlin narration normally plays, a brief snippet of Ringo Starr’s narration can be heard near the end of the episode.
There’s another oddity. If you watch the Roku Channel version of Thomas & Gordon which is narrated by George Carlin, after Gordon and Thomas arrive at Wellsworth, and the narrator says “At last they stopped at a station. Thomas was uncoupled and he felt very silly and exhausted”, it changes to Ringo Starr’s narration and then it switches back to Carlin’s. It’s an odd one but it’s also pretty cool to hear 2 different English speaking narrators in 1 episode.
I caught that same error when watching the episode on Sensical Jr.
It’s got that same bizarre error on the streaming Amazon Prime Video version
Was waiting to see if this comment would appear in the video...but guess it's not really a home release oddity
Wait wha?! How did they f*ck it up?! Did like the Audio for Carlin’s dub got corrupted for that one part or something and they had to grab Ringo’s to replace it?
it’s not available on my roku tv sadly i would watch it all day ngl 😅
"Bill and Ben's Excellent Adventure" is an amazing episode title. Shame they never did "Bill and Ben, the flowerpot engines" (a much older reference).
I agree...or the SCC having a third engine called the Little Weed
EXCELLENT!!
I agree, but also, Buffer Bother is such a boring episode that's neither an adventure nor features one of the twins for most of it (I don't remember which) so I'm glad they didn't waste the title on it.
@@s.p.d.magentaranger1822🎶🎸🎶
It’s literally the *GREATEST* name for an episode I think I’ve ever heard. And the imaginary of Bill and Ben official saying *EXCELLEEEENT* in an actual episode is amazing XD
I had known about the "Look out for the train" line ever since GWR Studios pointed it out in his Thomas and the Trucks Goofs video. He got comments saying the line wasn't real, even when he played it live on his TV during a Christmas special. The "Look out for the train" line became such a meme on his channel, with it being quoted and referenced in other videos. As a kid, I never really believed him on that goof, but it was shocking to see now that he was right all along. Great video Tug!
8:15 "We'll see..." *evil grin rubbing his hands together*
“Yes. We'll see… We'll see if he's cool when we subject him to the Apple Jacks Test.”
“Not the Apple Jacks Test!”
“YES THE APPLE JACKS TEST!”
A little NC reference
This is a really cool video, I’m sure some may find it boring, but I love it when people talk about Thomas home media oddities, that rabbit hole is endless!
If there is one thing I wish you had mentioned, it’s the fact that the 2009 Lionsgate version of Hooray for Thomas has an updated disc while every other Lionsgate reprint used the og disc design, I still have no idea why the hell it was like that
"New Friends with Thomas" is such a bizarre little DVD. It's simultaneously one of two American DVDs with Mike and Junior's Season 7 score and the only American DVD with Michael Angelis's thoroughly apathetic narration (blame having to use American terminology). That, and Spencer's got two funnels on the cover.
Chernobyl Spencer
Blame HiT for his slower narration. I’m sure that if the HiT executives let him, Angelis would have still been energetic like he was in seasons 3 through 6.
This is unrelated to Thomas but bluey episode called tickle crabs has in the Xfinity release for some reason after the episode end the title card and the intro and outro without any words and with no audio it was the creepiest thing I ever saw and in no longer to my knowledge because it was changed to the original episode that's on Disney Plus
Maybe they were trying to make him into a double chimney A4
Nah they just fucked up
@backbonepictures78 as someone whose dad once worked for hit, they were trying to give him a double chimney
There is ONE other thing to add...in most versions of the story Whistles & Sneezes, there was always this little music during the line "Gordon puffed sadly away" but for some reason, it's not heard in the original UK version, except for the "Double Audio" version of Coal & Other Stories
Just remembered something, in the case of "Thomas and his friends help out" there are some versions of it that have this one line from STH at the end of Foolish Freight Cars "After that performance, you deserve to keep your red coat" the only other time you HEAR that line, is in the Shining Time Stn airing of said story
18:00
Not to mention, George Carlin is a main actor in the very same movie. Coincidence? Probably. Still cool though.
Coincidence? I Think NOT!
The "look out for the train" thing is interesting for me, because I never owned a "Thomas Gets Tricked" VHS myself, but rather I came across it when my family stayed at a motel in Georgia for a vacation, and the rooms had a small collection of random VHS's (I guess to entertain kids like me, at the time), and one of them was a Ringo Starr release of said VHS, which I want to say was my first exposure to these dubs of the episodes included. And, of course, it was one of the releases that included said "look out for the train" goof, which I distinctly remember being so caught off guard by, even back then when I was 12 years old, that I rewound that part over & over just to make sure I wasn't just hearing things. So, when it started becoming a big revelation to the fandom in the past decade or so that this goof existed in select releases of this VHS/episode, I was (probably) one of the few who had seen living proof that it really existed.
Anyway, I also have my own theory as to why this very weirdly specific goof exists: so when they were re-editing the audio for the episodes for the original US release(s) (since Ringo Starr had to redo some lines in the episodes with "Americanized" terminology), the person in charge of editing must have made an error while doing so and accidentally left a gap in the original filmed footage of the final shot used in Thomas and The Trucks (sort of similar to the "echo" goofs you brought up in this video with the "dubbing track" sometimes getting left in by accident). So, I think the person who said "look out for the train" is most likely one of the original series' crew members (maybe someone giving the camera operator directions for the panning shot up Gordon's Hill).
Now, as for why this goof seems to only exist on the SECOND release of the VHS and onward (til 2007), I have no idea, but then again a lot of the other goofs you brought up in this video are weird & hard to explain how it could have happened...
except of course the original crew of the production were not American, the voice is clearly in a US accent.
Troublesome Trucks (“Foolish Freight Cars”) and Down the Mine each have one line of dialogue cut on the Thomas and his Friends Help Out DVD I had-with the latter episode having the whole segment featuring the dialogue line cut rather than simply muted as in the former. I’m guessing it was a damaged tape that the distributor ripped from for the DVD release.
The Foolish example was likely because the line in question (STH saying James deserves to keep his coat) doesn't make sense without the context of the previous one, but that hasn't been a concern in any other instance (including within the same tape), not to mention the episode opens by referencing the bootlace.
35:12 interestingly, this is also the version that plays at Drayton Manor’s Thomas Land over the speakers in the area.
Does anyone else think that could make for an interesting topic for a video?
Damn! I wished I listened out for it when I was there last year 😂
For that first entry, my belief is that the reason they specified Thomas in the VCS release is because since it was the first VCS tape of TTTE, they wanted to make known who was each individual character and wanted to audience to make sure of it. As for why they didn’t do it during Shining Time, maybe it could’ve been the fact that we were already introduced to Thomas by the conductor and given a summary by him before the episode, so there was no need to specify who was Thomas.
The best part about the old Thomas home media, particularly from season 6, is all of the bonus features you can listen to. Whether it’s fun and games, read along, or even character, bios, revealing lie vs,, you might not know about them.
For example, these character galleries revealed that Harvey lives lives at the Sodor Waterworks
Here are reasons or my theories:
"Off Thomas Ran...": Most likely a mixup where the VHS company got an earlier US version that ended up not being used in Shining Time.
Ringo Dubs: I think (and rightly so) they wanted to still give credit to Ringo now and again, particularly in later years. Most Americans still associate him with Thomas. Best of Percy was probably a one off experiment they did that wasn't continued in the other "Best Of" videos for whatever reason. I actually did a similar thing where I made a custom Best of Henry and had Whistles & Sneezes as as "custom" Ringo US dub (easy to do as STH is only said once).
Extended Thomas Gets Tricked VHS: I reckon maybe they had planned to release this as a larger VHS like Get Along or Help Out, either as the original with bonus episodes or just some combination video like Ultimate Christmas. Carlin's Thomas Gets Tricked took forever to get out on video, not until the Halloween DVD.
US Titles: I think this was simply to make the titles more appealing or unique. You have to admit, most of the UK titles are just "Character & Character/Thing". However they did go too far with some just adding "The" like The Gallant Old Engine.
Echoing VHS: Daisy seemed to have the worst "echoing" and I wonder if that was due to that and Percy's Predicament not appearing on Shining Time Station so they had to do their own edit which made it more screwed up. The echoing could have also just been issues with audio mixing from different sources. I do know the Wallace & Gromit DVD I have is slightly slower speed because of some PAL conversion issue from the UK.
Thomas & the Jet Engine was a unique one for me as they went through the effort to put the original music back with Michael Brandon. Why couldn’t they release S7 on DVD with the original music?
Interestingly, the UK dub of Wrong Road had the busy theme play while Mr Conductor explains how Gordon and Edward’s evening trains run, which was cut from the US dub. TBH cutting the busy theme from the US dub worked cause that theme felt out of place to me in that shot.
The Classic Series had the most wonderful home media. Everything about those first 7 Seasons triumphs every other era including the home media. And I gotta say, I love some of these oddities on these releases, like the weird compilation dvd “Mud Glorious Mud”. Or some of the random Ringo Starr dubs like in Percy Takes the Plunge from Best of Percy. But I can’t say I love all the oddities, like the out of sync issues for Trouble for Thomas from Best of Thomas or Percy’s Promise from Friends Help Out. And can you believe that the very first release which is Thomas Gets Tricked, has the weirdest history, from the rare George Carlin version with extra episodes (I have no reason why they did that), and the infamous “Look out for the train”. Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends was always up to something on home media.
It's probably just nostalgia but the HIT Era DVDs had some cool stuff on them too. Even if the episodes, even at the time, were very lackluster compared to the classic stuff (Though once in awhile a classic episode will be slipped in from what I remember)
The fact that on early vhs's you could just get an extra episode is very fascinating. Trying to find one of the early versions is like trying to win the lottery.
When I heard “Look out for train” I got flashbacks of GWR Studios
I miss GWR Studios, man❤️
@@LeoTheLeo_official Why did he stop making content? Do we know?
@@TrainsCatsOtherStoriesNo
I know why. He now works for some company called “NeoAuto”. I don’t know why he didn’t at least make a Goodbye Video.
@H3nryPlay5 Same here.
53:48 my theory is there were allegations of sexism at the company, this amount of respect for a *woman* director was sure to squash those rumours
You know I'm glad somebody has brought up some of this weird stuff. Percy Takes the Plunge on the Best of Percy dvd was my first exposure to Ringo Starr as kid and I was so confused XD. My Thomas Gets bumped Dvd was the echoed version (like literally for years i thought Duck's theme in season 3 just always sounded echoed), and I've actually showing my friend the Thomas this year and I'm learning just how jacked up a good chunk of the episodes are on Amazon. The funniest one being George Carlin's narration randomly fading into Ringo's in the middle of Thomas gets Tricked then fading back lol.
24:44 maybe out of sync, but at least it did give people that raw audio ending piece for future projects
0:46 a hit era transition with a season 2 episode now I’ve seen everything.
Now I feel like the opposite should happen. A Classic Era Transition with a HIT Era episode. No reason other than I think it would be funny
@@IsleofPigsStudios dose season 7 count?
@@karenfan010 Depends. It’s a complicated case so this is a league of its own
I absolutely adore Junior Cambell’s singing voice in the Gone Fishing music video, I was never aware of the fact that wasn’t intended to be released. Very intriguing vid.
I especially like hearing Junior over the child voices during the chorus, with him lingering on "on your way" noticeably longer.
That draft version was also on the Thomas' Songs & Roundhouse Rhythms album. I remember buying that off iTunes and wondering why it sounded different to the version I remembered.
He sounds a lot like Roger Hodgson (Supertramp lead singer) 😊
@@brind4001Add a Wurlitzer piano and/or backing vocals from Rick Davis and it would fit right on ‘Breakfast in America’ or ‘Famous Last Words’.
46:27 ah yes, the original name board endings. I miss these, they're from the original 1984 and 1986 VHS releases of Thomas in the UK.
When I did get the UK DVD, I was so disappointed that they did't include these.
“Look out for the train” is my favorite goof from Thomas, it just comes out of nowhere.
12:46 I actually like the sound of that one. I want a copy of it.
Actually, I'd like a good copy of all the American Ringo episodes too.
9:21 Percy Takes the Plunge was my first exposure to Ringo Starr and I used to think he was a guest narrator
21:26 I think I know what happened here.
So they might’ve only had the audio of the version where the credits theme plays right after the narrator says “Really Useful Engine”.
And perhaps they also had a clear dubbing track of the episode too, so what they might’ve done was add in the dubbing track straight after “Really Useful Engine” was said and that’s why you hear a few seconds of the credits theme.
Hope that makes sense 😉
Thomas always had a pretty nice home media run. Especially in the early years.
One of my favorite parts of Thomas is the home media. It’s so wonderful and there is so much history behind every single release. I am flabbergasted by your collection, Tug! Great video!
27:19 I owned that Echo copy of Daisy as a kid! I thought it was a weird stylized choice for the tape, or something. I actually loved the echoy music for that one single tape. Something about it still makes me nostalgic for that sound.
This is very fascinating. These oddities were quite surprising. I would like to point out that the Classic Volumes that are seen nowadays, while the George Carlin and Alec Baldwin dubs were shown to have the same weirdness from the original versions, some episodes in the digital versions of restored volumes retain their UK title card in the intro. Some examples include “Edward, Gordon and Henry” instead of “Henry to the Rescue”, “Trucks” instead of “Rusty Helps Peter Sam” and a peculiar offender, “Thomas and Percy’s Christmas Adventure” instead of “Mountain Adventure”.
I remember when I was a little kid (with undiagnosed autism) I'd keep cycling through the same like 5 Thomas DVDs for hours on end lol.
The original 1992 _Trust Thomas_ VHS is my favorite Thomas release of all time! It has such a unique vibe! From the choice of all Season 3(A) episodes, to the unique choice of font, to the music and visuals of the episodes.
35:00 think it also adds a bit to the scene, that in the original 94 release and US version, they made the crash sound effect a little louder than the final
Bruh I grew up so much with the great out of sync audio of “Trouble for Thomas” and “Thomas and Percy’s Mountain Adventure “ that now whenever I hear the versions with the fixed audio sync, it feels damn creepy XD.
Great Video and such a nostalgic trip for me since I used to owned a number of a Thomas VHS’S.
21:08 as a kid I always thought this was a pause for dramatic affect for the fact Sir Topham Hatt just scolded Thomas. Like you said, now as an adult I cannot unhear it.
6:26 huh...I never heard that line when James crosses the Viaduct whenever I watched that episode, I only seem to know it from the Carlin dub as he's leaving the station.
29:49 As an American, I’ve always heard this part without the music as a kid. So, when I later discovered that there was supposed to be music here, I was mind blown and for some reason, I’m actually really in love with this little ditty. It’s just so feisty and cute. Anyway, awesome job, Tug! This was such an interesting video as I’ve never heard of some of these changes. I really enjoyed watching this!
Amazing! I own a copy of "Thomas Gets Tricked" and yet I never noticed how many changes were made.
Admittingly, my copy is the 1995 Ringo Star release but aside from that "then off Thomas Ran, laughing!" bit, it doesn't include "Look out for the train", although now I kind of wish it did.
When it comes to this volume, I guess you could say that Thomas really DID get tricked!
I clicked on this avidly hoping for a "look out for the train" discussion. And was not disappointed. Thank you for saving the best for last
Thanks for the great vid man! And shout out to GWR Studios, the 'look out for the train' mention brought back nostalgia for those goof videos
To all my east coast friends who felt that little earthquake, I think we’re all glad to have this video to enjoy this Friday 😂
I live in New Jersey and I left on vacation this week. What the hell is going on there this week 😂
I don't know about you, but I think Junior Campbell singing solo in "Gone Fishing" is very soothing.
Not to mention, I liked his version of "Do what you really want to do" more than the choir.
I will never understand how the “look out for the train” goof managed to sneak into the episode unnoticed
13:37 Though Mud Glorious Mud was included later. I want to point out that Not So Hasty Puddings/Not So Hasty Cakes was called Thomas and the Avalanche on this DVD. No idea why though
I used to watch the US dubs of seasons 2 and 3 on UA-cam a lot during the 2010’s, and I did wonder why the background noice and music was pretty echo-ey in some of them.
I guess this video answers that question, because many VHS tapes were released with echoes, and they eventually became the source of fan uploads!
The "Look Out for the Train" goof in the 92 VHS release of "Thomas Gets Tricked" had to have been an editing mistake that a Strand Home Video employee (in this case, an editor) made by accident.
"Toby the train engine" sounds like a Chinese knockoff, I love it 😂
Something you forgot to mention about the US dub of Thomas & Gordon is: After Thomas says “Hurry yourself!” In the UK dub, Ringo says “Gordon began making his plan.” However, in all US releases, it was changed to “Gordon the Proud Engine began making his plan to teach Thomas a lesson for teasing him.” Just like with the “And off Thomas ran, laughing” line, for some reason, unnecessary context was added to the US re-release.
Best as I can gather, the new lines and titles, written for Shining Time and the US dub, were designed to be more direct, moralistic and PC: easier for American children to stomach. 'Come Out, Henry' is perhaps the most famous example.
As to if this was a good idea, that's a matter of opinion.
3:43 I’m assuming that these changes were made to add a sense of “learning a lesson” to the episode. Perhaps the original line implied an unhappy ending to an American audience, with Thomas “losing” to Gordon.
Changes like the occurred throughout Shining Time Station, such as “Come Out, Henry!” setting up that Henry will eventuality get out of the tunnel instead of being left for always in the original.
I swear they slightly change small details just to screw with us
"Percy Takes A Plunge"???
Ah yes...Look out for the train!
Young me always thought it was part of the background music, like being added in as a train-themed lyric.
God, my childhood was so good back in the day...
Being a boring old UK guy, most of my VHS tapes were relatively normal, but the one that comes to mind is "My Little Mini-Vid", a tape that has the first 4 episodes for Season 1. A great tape if you're just looking to kill 20 minutes. Everything is normal except for one brief moment at the end of Thomas and Gordon. When Gordon says "Now you know what hard work means", the word "Now" is muted and because of how it's done, it sounds like Gordon has hiccups. The funny thing is, because I was a kid and this was the only release I had for many years that had Thomas and Gordon, this was just how I thought the actual episode was, so when I heard the full thing, I was just so confused...
A few years ago, someone uploaded Mini-Vid to UA-cam, so I was double check the tape. It wasn't just me having a damaged tape, it's every copy of it like every Strand Home Video release of Thomas Gets Tricked having that "Look Out For The Train" bit.
One thing only barely covered here, but moreso on UsualBlokeLuke's retrospective: The first two S3 tapes and first S4 tape have early takes of Michael Angelis' narration, with a few extra lines present that were cut from later releases. In the case of 'Rock & Roll,' there is also rearranged and missing music, as is mentioned here.
One correction- the season 7 episodes with hartshorne’s music aired on tv in the uk, in the same season 8 blocks as the us airings, they’re not exclusive to bumper party collection
24:23 Yeah, that always bugged me as a kid. I would watch this episode, and think, "What the heck is going on? why is the audio all messed up?" I hated that...
Seeing 1st Class Stories gave me Vietnam Flashbacks to when I watched it with my mates on the Very Best of the Worst of Thomas series
When I was younger, I always viewed Henry's name board as portraying him having a small flame coming out of his funnel.
Same here
I keep just coming back to this video as a kinda comfort food for my brain when i tired or stressed. Thank you unlucky tug!
I am SO glad you mentioned Trucks! / Rusty Helps Peter Sam. The UK dub as far as I can tell is the only version now with the cues in tact. The US dub doesn't have everything and it's such an interesting atmosphere.
8:54. Best of Percy was actually the first time I heard Ringo's narration because being born in 1997, I grew up with Alec Baldwin and George Carlin's narrations.
7:50 I think I have an answer to that.
'Tis a Gift aired in late 1990 with Terence the Tractor and Thomas' Christmas Party. However, the VHS was released in 1992 and by some mysterious reason Terence the Tractor was changed to Thomas and the Missing Christmas Tree. By 1992, Ringo already retired from Thomas, so he couldn't redub the episode.
Did anyone else already know about the “look out for the train” because of GWR studios?
yeah exactly! i definitely was
god i miss GWR studios sm, wish he continued the showcase series
Ya
I actually had the tape with it!
@@austinexistsI miss him too. His videos on Thomas and Friends goofs were legendary.
Surprised you didn't touch how on the Strand Home Video re-releases of the five Ringo Starr tapes all had washed out audio for unexplained reasons, as well as yellow slide transitions at the beginning and end of every episode before the nameboard sequences.
The slide transitions were possibly because the SHV programs used some of the transitions and nameboard sequences from the UK dubs of the applicable episodes. Additionally, the opening credits on the Strand VCI releases of Tenders and Turntables and Better Late Than Never use the original UK title cards as the 1st episode on both tapes kept their original names for the US dub.
I have a good one: In the Brazilian version of Edward Gordon and Henry, the episode was originally narrated by "Tatá Guarnieri" (the official Brazilian narrator of the classic series). But, when the episode was released on the DVD "Aprendendo com o Thomas", we don't really know how or why... but St2 kids (the Brazilian distributor of the DVDs) lost the original dub. So they ended up having to redub the episode with another narrator, and the chosen narrator was "Dario de castro", none other than the official Brazilian narrator of HIT ERA! who had already dubbed some of the classic series episodes before for DVD, but that's because in fact they had no dub, but "Edward Gordon and Henry" was different, because the ep had already been dubbed, but somehow they ended up losing the original dub. And nowadays the Tatá Guarnieri's dub is lost media
One of the best aspects of physical media was that it was a guarantee that the media was dubbed in your own language. But nowadays, when everything is streaming, it is increasingly difficult to find translated dubs and it seems that their number is decreasing while everything is being streamlined internationally into English only. And even though I understand that English is an international language and English-language media helps to learn English, it would still be good if the possibility of media availability in different languages was maintained because otherwise it is not a good development for languages that do not have as strong and large a market as English.
When WW3 starts and the bombs drop, there will be no streaming but I'm prepared because I kept all my Thomas and Pixar DVDs.
Did you ever considered buying physical music CDs or recording any random songs that are catchty to listen, in your Nintendo 3ds
@@KaloTerni My dad has plenty of CDs.
@@KaloTerniI have started collecting cds
There is also a bit more to Rock 'n' Roll and Other Stories outside of the missing music.
Michael Angelis' narration isn't cleaned up to remove any of his breathing or lip smacks between the lines and there are a few bits of narration that would be re-recorded for the finalized versions of the episodes.
Surprised you didn't mention the UK tapes Time for Trouble and Other Stories and Trust Thomas and Other Stories as their first editions featured Angelis' infamous early narrations of S3a
Also the UK did actually get all of Season 7 with Robert's music, however those were mostly exclusive to half hour airing on Nick Jr, similar to the US with PBS, which means that when Bumper Party Collection was being made they for some reason pulled those masters out instead of the ones with Mike and Junior's music
I miss my father
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so do I
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ngl, this actually sounds kinda nice to me, almost whimsical. Not that whimsical fits the mood
I'd also like to mention that in the version on Amazon Prime, the very first episode (Thomas Gets Tricked), is the Carlin dub, but manages to somehow use a Ringo Line for when he and Gordon reach the station. Threw me for a loop for sure!
Nice in-depth video. a few things you missed:
1. I can also say on the DVD release of 'Best of Thomas' the audio for 'Thomas and the Trucks' is out of sync. Even as a kid I knew something was off about it, the fact you hear Thomas whistle, before it cuts to the shot of Thomas blowing his whistle.
2. That version of 'Edward, Trevor, and the Really Useful Party' with the dubbing track carried over to the DVD release of 'Thomas Gets Bumped'.
3. the episode releases on 'Hurray for Thomas' weird is that with those weird CGI closeups of the engines they used to transition between episodes, it always ends with a cloud of steam. Well if you look carefully on the episodes on 'Hurray for Thomas' you can see a tiny bit of the ending of that steam transition at the beginning of every episode on the release.
4.Another dead giveaway that 'Mavis' on the 'Trust Thomas' DVD is from '10 Years of Thomas' is that at the beginning of the episode you can hear the whistle SFX used from the transitions from the interviews too the episodes on '10 Years of Thomas'.
Again nice video, I will say it's so weird seeing listing to versions of episodes who's music is missing from the DVD's I grew up with, and ya 'Thomas get's Tricked' seems like it couldn't catch a brake back in the 1900's.
My neighbor had the George Carlin release of "Thomas Gets Tricked" with all the extra episodes on it. I remember he let me borrow it for a while. It was baffling and amazing
Dang
If only Digital and Physical can Co-Exist. Digital is easier to take around, but there’s a chance that it could be pulled and you can’t access the media you want to watch again. Physical media can be harder to take around, but you don’t have to worry about it being removed if you own it. Sure physical media can stop being produced, but you can still watch the episodes after its discontinuation.
This is why I feel physical media should make a comeback someday. If only they would put effort into the menus again (not that it would make physical media more popular again, but I’m sure it might help a bit).
VHS Title: "Thomas, Percy & the Dragon"
VHS Cover Art: is neither Thomas, Percy, nor the dragon
Another deep cut of a fact you might’ve missed:
There were a number of Children’s Favourites DVDs released by HIT Entertainment in the UK during the 2000s, with an episode of Thomas & Friends being present on a large amount of such DVDs.
The Thomas episode included in the Groovy Collection DVD, that being “Fergus Breaks the Rules”, strangely used the US dub. This makes it the first and only time a the US dub was ever featured on any form of official UK home media.
Believe me, I was both confused and amazed by this discovery when I was younger. 😱
18:04 from one Californian to another, MOST EXCELLENT!
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One you forgot is the fact that The Early Years, the only complete season DVD in the US, uses the UK dub for the episodes.
10:41 I have a potential theory for this. Since The Early Years (the US S1 set) got some scathing reviews on Amazon for using calling STH The Fat Controller, (which the buyers don’t know there is a UK dub), the people at HiT decided to use the UK dubs for Ringo episodes on compilation DVDs while making The Greatest Stories unless they mention The Fat Controller, and neither Thomas Gets Tricked or Edward Helps Out mention The Fat Controller. The US dub of Diesel’s Devious Deed is probably there because it mentions STH.
TLDR; HiT probably just defaulted to the UK Ringo dubs unless the mentioned The Fat Controller.