Starship Lore : Oberth Class - Untapped Potential of a War Canoe
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Let's take a look at the Oberth Class Starship in this Starship Lore breakdown. This is the serious one regarding the Oberth Class - so not as many jokes. Check out the video before it to get a better laugh.
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Hey Guys, as many of the regulars know - due to the lack of images as well as the scruples of CBS - I will sometimes use images that may not have exactly canon material in them. The Voice over is what I have been able to confirm - and can be found on screen. The images may be slightly off. However, sometimes I get things wrong - which is crazy, I know. For instance, I said that I couldn't confirm that there was a shuttlebay and I thought it was odd. One of the MSD images (one I did not think was canon) shows a shuttle bay. However, I did some more research and found that this was actually in the episode 'hero worship' - which means in canon that it does have a shuttle bay. This image makes no sense in canon given the structure and I'm pretty sure they make you go through a warp nacellee to get to it ;P Or you have to use a transporter.. but regardless..there it is..anyone who comments about the shuttle bay will be pointed at this pinned tweet.
I think it was more used as an AWCS than a in-combat ship. Using its highly developed systems to analyze potential weaknesses in the enemy ships and feeding key tactical information to the combat vessels.
However due to its underpowered engines it often found itself caught in the fray and lacking defensive capabilities it never lasted long.
If you have to go "through" the nacelle, then maybe the bay is actually in an opening under the pylon, or in the center of the saucer, like on the Defiant.
We real did not know lot about what Oberth class starship and it combat ables. In the Search for Spock we did not get to the USS Grissom see it return fire. Klingon lucky shot and destroy it out right. We also do not know if other experimental equipment on the USS Grissom might have help blow it up . However with at photon toropdoes launchers being duel use and used launch probes It likely that Oberth class at least one photon torpedoe luancher . This would back more so by TNG Pregasus with the Admiral making the statement USS Pregasus use experimental weapon systems. Which likely means it had photon torpedoes and at least one phaser bank.
Now saying only foal send Oberth class starship into battle face Borg Cuble is not account either though. Alone no UFP starship we know stand real chance against Borg be it the Oberth class or Promomus class. In fleet though story little different again the Oberth class has some weapons. At least one phaser bank and strong evidence that has photon torpedoes going do some damage. Also entire fleet attacking going last target to get hit. Which mean do more damage other ship be first to go and possible even survival the fight simple by one weaker hitting ships.
Last thing point out is that escape podes hardly joke things go wrong science to need get off the ship.
The first picture blueprint things you showed shows the hangar bay (shuttle in a big 2 deck room) at the back of the secondary Hull
Lore Reloaded master screen shows a shuttle bay
Klingon Captain: Send our standard greetings to the vessel!
Klingon Comms Officer: Sir... it's a Federation Oberth class.
Klingon Captain: *Sighs* What's our gentlest setting.
Klingon Warrior: I can open up the air lock and fire a disruptor pistol on stun.
Klingon Captain: It'll have to do.
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Oberth Bridge: Shakes violently tossing crew over their consoles as panels explode and the computer warns of an imminent warp core breach.
Don't forget stones flying through the room 😜
Great comment :-)
Disrupters dont have a stun setting.
@@RABB1DSQ1RR3L A lucky shot sir!
Klingon Captain: no, that's too powerful
Klingon Warrior: I could...throw this plushie of a targ?
Klingon Captain: make it a warning shot across their bow
"You've been assigned to an Oberth class."
*Crying redshirt*
Can I get a Miranda instead?
No.
Danube?
No.
Delta Flyer????
Ye-no.
@@Steve12966 How? It was basically a cut down constitution class with basically the same weapons and even more torps if it had the top mounted launcher. It served with distinction all the way to the dominion war.
@@Steve12966 Initially the Miranda was a light cruiser that could punch way above its class, the fact that it remained used up to the dominion war, is a testament of how good of a design it must have been. Its just that by the end, it was the old workhorse brought to a battlefield where they had tanks.
I can defend the Miranda as a boring practical vehicle like the C-130 or Sherman tank but I've got nothing good to say about Oberths. To me it's Class is target practice at the galactic shooting range.
@@Lonovavir See, the worst part about it for me, and what caused me to genuinely believe it to be a terrible design, is the fact that on top of totally lacking in any defensive measures, it _also_ somehow manages to fail as a scientific vessel. The few times we see Oberths in TNG, they've fallen victim to scientific phenomena. So they can't defend themselves, and they also can't survive the oddities they are designed to encounter.
Literally irredeemable.
Captain: How many phaser banks do we have?
Engineer: Just one.
Captain: Do we have anything else?
Engineer: Each deck has at least six gelato machines.
Captain: Station men in environmental suits on the hull. Arm them each with a phaser rifle and a supply of gelato.
Engineer: But Sir, we don't have any phaser rifles.
Captain: Then we'll have to give the Romulans a peace offering of gelato.
Engineer: But Sir, what if the Romulans are lactose intolerant?
Captain: That's what I'm counting on.
LOL!
What they can',t open the air lock and throw rocks at the enemy ships?
@@seanm4095 I guess they could use the rocks that fall out of the ceiling whenever the ship takes damage.
@@combatking0 yea lol
Is the crew Italian? Hahahaha
Galaxy = "Ok, we need to go off the map and definitely come back in one piece."
Nebula = "Ok, we'd LIKE to send a Galaxy, but they're all busy right now."
Constellation = "Ok, we need to go survey a bunch of systems but not really talk to anybody much."
Excelsior = "Ok, the galaxy is a dangerous place and, regrettably, we may have to actually do some fighting. Just, I don't know.. upgrade these things a bit and put on 'em patrol routes."
Miranda = "Ok, we have like, a gajillion of these stupid things and we've got to move cargo around SOMEHOW."
Oberth = "Ok, some dudes wanna study this weird Black Hole for a couple years and while that WOULD seem like the job for a small station or outpost AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT, so just turn this sucker into a floating lab and park it out there."
Ambassador = "Ok, these things look good, are tough, sturdy and really dam classy. I know, let's build like, two and forget they ever existed."
And then both of them just get blown up anyway because a) Enterprise C Crew were practically suicidal and b) the Borg don't like to take prisoners
always liked to believe that the Federation uses its most advanced ships like Galaxy or sovereigns on its outer borders to Cartography and scan everything on the flyby and encounter the most serious and unknown hazards. The second wave would be a ship like the intrepid which can land and act like an outpost while exploring more in detail but still be fast enough to run and strong enough to face threats not recognized or just missed by the first cartography ship. The third would be short range explorers like the Oberth and newer Nova class which operate mostly within federation and already relatively well explored space where dangers as weapon fire is almost not happening. And older designs were updated and acted mainly as support ships. The Problem with that is that the newer Designs in the case of a battle are most likely far far away and the bulk of the fleet that can be gathered quickly are those scientific designs or the older ships in the support roles.
additionally If i were S31 i would use Defiants (but they are to rare but the right crew size) or nova (maybe still too new to get ignored by most) or exactly the Oberth-Class to conduct my super secret experiments and missions. I mean most enemy and even Starfleet officers would just ignore a ship like that doing what it does in the background since its nothing special and no particular threat also often has civilian crew onboard which would explain if it sometimes handles things a bit odd in the eyes of a trained starfleet officer but if they don't cry for help would probably left alone and get ignored by most. So yea perfect ship for secret missions and testing of special equipment like phase cloaking devices no one should know about. And the one at Wolf359 well maybe that one was one of those obeths with the new and classified weapons or shield array currently installed for testing and they thought why not test them on the real enemy currently invading Federation space. But don't managed to get away fast enough as they realized their equipment wasn't up to the task.
Officer enters his cabin after a long shift and turns on the lights... Computer voice over intercom shouts: "Power consumption at critical levels, warp core overload in progress"
Captain Geronimo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just cackled like a loon. 🤦🏽♂️
With comedy alarms... Capt estebans reaction akin to randy quaid in independence day... Oh Crap.
Considering how easy Federation starships had warp core overloads, the Oberth class wasn't unique in that regard! XD XD XD
Check out allen on generation tech
Best use of an Oberth in battle: Pack it full of anti-matter pods and fly straight at the enemy, perferably at Battle Speed
*Prepare for ramming speed*
klingon oberth
well, as part of a larger fleet action, I suppose you might use an Oberth class for casualty recovery and medical evacuation (the latter so long as you're not too far from a starbase due to the Oberth's limited warp speed)
Apparently two of the experimental systems that were tested on the Oberth related to crew safety and survivability.
First of all, seat belts at combat crew stations such as helm and weapons.
And secondly and most innovative, circuit breakers on all consoles to prevent injuries and deaths from exploding panels caused by damage to ship systems they were linked to.
Unfortunately battle test scenarios revealed that they made no difference to casualty rates of the Oberth crews, which were still at 100%, so they were never implemented fleetwide.
casbott. That reminds me of the study that prove that fires in New York City were related to the existence of fire departments, thus the solution to preventing fires was to reduce the number of firehouses.
It didn't help that these systems were purchased from a Ferengi and used the U.S.S. Detonator as a testbed.
In ww1 the Brits started to issue helmets a year or so in. They were about to take the helmets back after reports of higher head injury rate, until someone pointed out that the injuries would normally be deaths.
@Thelondonbadger Yeah, right.
Starship designer: You know what would be a neat thing to put on a starship? Let's put a giant escape hatch RIGHT in the back part of the bridge. I mean not even an airlock, just a giant door that anybody could open up and WHOOSH!
Admiral: Brilliant! I'll take 500 of them!
And thus how the designer became an admiral
@@LoreReloaded XD
@@LoreReloaded Thought of making a Rank List for Ships?
I mean, you do make Videos about Ships (not enough in recent times though, to be honest), and you do talk about what's strong and what's weak, but you never made an actual rank list with numbers, did you?
Like, high up Akira-Class and Lowest of the Low, the good old Oberth and Miranda.
If star fleet is anything like our real world militaries. The door doesn’t even have a lock on it, and for the first few years of service you where just expected to know not to touch it. Though after a few years of of service someone finally put a paper note up.
@@awesomechainsaw Your first sentence already made you wrong.
Thnk about that fact.
Ah yes the Oberth class....or as I like to call it the space pinto
Pintos were actually pretty safe to drive.
As long as nothing touched the back of it EVER.
@@manictiger then why the recall on them
James Kennedy stuff kept touching the back of it
And when a space leaf touches it the Oberth class blows up.
I love the idea the Oberth is your testbed/sensor/data-collection ship. Hell, the airforce has airplanes that arne't made to fight and are pretty much giant flying sensor packages that are insanely important for intelligance gathering. So why not?
Also I love the oberth as 'ok we want to put this on our flag ship but we want to make sure it won't explode.'
If you really take a top down approach to this ship, it would actually make a fine little gunboat.
Similar to the Star Wars Skipray Blastboat, this ship could have been massively overpowered and had very heavy shields and armament and that phase cloaking device that would enable it to be one hell of either an Intel ship, or a fast strike ship.
Or, the Oberth could have been just a plain comfortable yacht with adequate performance and with whatever the tastes a 23rd Century individual of wealth would have. Huge vista windows for observation, holographic suite for entertainment and movies. A large library, swimming pool, beautiful wood and exotic paneling.
Skies the limit with such a capable little ship.
You know how the USS Pegasus had that super-illegal cloaking device?
Maybe it wasn't - isn't - the only Oberth-class to have one.
PLOT TWIST!:The only surviving ship of Wolf359 was an Oberth Class ship, who's invaluable sensor telemetry helped shape the new defensive capabilities of Starfleet's more combat capable ships in the last third of the 24th century. Just some fun conjecture, so don't roast me guys 😂
Just imagine that briefing:
Admiral Hanson: We can't win this fight... but if we can get one of our Oberth's to take readings and survive this fight...
Surviving Captain on another ship: Sir... I'd follow you to hell and back... but you're asking the impossible.
Lacutus: They will attempt to get readings on the cube using an Oberth... hail their Oberths on all frequencies, while focusing weapons on the other ship classes.
Borg Collective: Should we not focus our weapons to destroy the Oberths?
Lacutus: The Collective's hails will be enough.
Uh,no. According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia, the Nebula-class USS Endeavour was the only ship that survived the battle. In the pilot episode of DS9 which featured the Battle of Wolf 359, the Oberth-class USS Bonestell has it’s primary hull sliced open by a Borg cutting beam causing the entire ship to explode like a Ford Pinto.
Godspeed, Marmalade. I'm sure your human was blessed to have known you.
tba113 yes I was 17 and a half great years.
I am sorry can relate to that lost my dog two months ago to cancer. She fight it the last year and in the end i had to put her sleep with 15 years.
I think you forgot to say the ship's hull has an experimental alloy with elastic rubber, which makes it capable to stretch or shrink to please even the most ignorant screenwriters or directors !
So, alongside the venerable Bird of Prey (made of Klingon rubber) the ship can be anywhere between a row boat to a Death Star size ! 😁
A trait it shares with the Defiant, which can be anything from a fighter aircraft to a small battleship depending on the scene... XD
XD love this comment
Bird of prey have multiple classes, they just call them all birds of prey generally in the shows and it's irritating.
I don't trust any starship that looks like an overly complicated soup dish.
Ah, do I detect a fellow SFDebris fan?
Pretty much every Federation ship ever, lol...
@@codythomas7593
Voyager looked like a spoon and that thing was fucking invincible!
So moral of the story is to make all ships look like spoons?
@@manictiger There is no spoon...
Personally I go back to the original details of the ship when the movie came out. The Oberth Class was a pure science vessel, and the "secondary hull" is really a massive sensor pod.
Prometheus tech, eh? Was the chunks of flying debris the inspiration for Multi-Vector Assault Mode?
Also, War Canoe is thing now. Ha.
its how they got the idea..
Wasn't that also the general idea behind the Enterprise-D's saucer separation when they went up against the Borg?
ENiceGeo You would think, but the saucer separation was inspired to save lives. Unlike both an Oberth and MVAM, which were inspired to end them.
I don't see why the Federation would fully get rid of the Prometheus tech. Maybe just put a beacon on it to make it register on sensors. Clearly if it can go through matter that means you couldn't shoot it. Invincible War Canoe solved :D
@@DanielTsosie Erudite meant the 4 Nacelle NX Prometheus :D...
The title already made me feel like an Oberth class ship...destroyed
as it should..
I'm sure the Battle of Wolf 359 was probably a good example going to war with the army you have. The Borg caught Starfleet flat footed, so they gather what ships they could and went to battle with that. If they ever needed a wake up call that they needed to update their fleet, it was there.
Caleb Chaney true and that's what got Benjamin Sisko to build the defiant but then they only Built the one it took the Dominion War for them to build two more the Valiant in the San Paulo which Captain Sisko renamed the defiant.
@@scifinerd1911 In Voyager you see that they built at least two more. They are seen in the episode "Message in a bottle" attacking 3 Romulan warbirds and the Prometheus with the help of an Akira class vessel.
Agreed. Up until then, it was never stated or implied that Oberths were combat-capable. When the Grissom was attacked, Captain Esteban never mentioned phasers. I didn't know the thing had phasers until First Contact
"...it was there..." and quickly forgotten again (mothballed the Defiant instead of fixing the problems and producing a few hundred of them!)...everyt Starfleet Officer involved in that decision should IMHO request a posting to an Oberth (to do suicide runs at Jem'Hadar fighters! Because they basically sacrificed their fellow officers in order to preserve a stupid mindset! Seriously, Si vis pacem, para Bellum! That has always been true and they built what basically amounted to cruise ships, but unlike old Ocean-Liners that could truly pull auxiliary cruiser duties in war they didn't build them to military standard, they just bolted on weapons to make them look a bit scary!)
@P Mason So like the Kazon in a way? Damn, that comparison :D
Oberth Class: Standing around
Me: lightly touches something
Oberth Class: OMG SFLK:SFJEIOF:JSDL:FJL:K
*Warp core breaching intensifies*
*Explodes*
samaravadi3 or simply cough near it.
Howard Gleason exist within several light years.
MICHAEL BAY
Did they not allow any Starfleet officers with hay fever or other allergies on board? I think any violent sneezing might cause a critical system failure or warp core breach...
Kevin Norris actually one of the ways they got rid of the common cold!
Howard Gleason
I fart in your general direction.
Now I almost want a show (or miniseries?) to take place on an Oberth class ship.
I was laughing all the way until the end when I saw the cat. Now I'm just sad. Godspeed, you magnificent being.
Marmalade passed thursday is what I am told. A fan of the channel shared it with me cause he saw my cat, I decided to do this as a special surprise for the fan and a memorial. sorry to kill the buzz
Being the military history nerd I am the oberth seems like it would work as a sort of AWACs ship. It would not be expected to directly enter combat but would use its superior sensor capability to visualize and map the battlespace. Also in regards to the Borg engagements it may have been present specifically to gather data on the Borg that was used to design tech used to fight them later.
You know, that reasoning isn't half bad.
Maybe it works as a field hospital ship/ search and rescue...
Great points when you put it like that really makes sense
That is the canon answer as to why there were Oberth ships as well as civilians in those battles. They threw everything they had in there because they were on the brink of defeat without any real means of defence against a borg cube.
+Flo Ri - That makes sense too. An "all hands" emergency isn't going to be a good example of SOP for any organization.
Also hahaha BATTLE SPEED!
glad you enjoyed..
prepare for battle speed!
They forgot to hook up all the hamster wheels in the cargo hold. Then they would have really got going.
100% canon.
but you forgot raming speed
The Oberth was like the Yugo or Lada of Starfleet. I heard the rear of the ship was heated so Engineering could keep their hands warm while pushing it to spacedock.
"The CRossfield was designed to everything that God couldn't." I AM DYING HERE SIR!!! XD
*RED ALERT*
@@Crick1952 Arm...Phasers?
@@seanm4095 Pssh. Too conventional. The Crossfield class will throw mushrooms at you, like a perverted but aggressive version of Mario.
...Then the mushrooms will explode into tardigrades that eat the enemy. Brutal, but the needs of the many, outweigh the needs for conventional space weaponry.
That moment when you show up in an Oberth for a *REALLY* hard mission on elite in STO.
... well you atleast get to see it explode 30+ times
Haha
Ah STO a game where solo play, for me, means a science vessel set up for tanking and self heals.
A Carrot back in the Starfleet Academy days nothing gave me more satisfaction than taking on a warbird or Excelsior With an oberth and owning them. That ship did have a single phaser emitter and a torpedo launcher that could launch a single torpedo every 15 or 20 seconds if I recall. The trick was to remain so close to the other vessel that they could not land many direct shots on you, then it was a game of persistence nibbling away at their Shields just slightly faster than they can regenerate! Also the occasional ramming maneuver came in handy.
Reminds me of sitting atop the tower of a Star Destroyer in X-Wing Alliance and chipping away at it.
Any chance of you making a Lore video on the Nebula class?
i dont care what ppl say i love this lil ship its one of my favs. and what makes it so awesome is its versatility it could reconfigured for many types of missions.
Movement between the two hull sections seems less than ideal 🤔🖖🏼
Lawrence Haguewood I always assumed the secondary hull was full of sensors and other scientific equipment.
Still had to get people in there to work on the equipment or add new stuff. Then again, most of the time if a ship has a secondary hull, that's where the warp core is located. Maybe they just had a lot of horizontal movement in their turbolifts?
I always assumed there are turbolifts in the warp pylons.
Transporter?
@@krim7 No it had a turbo lift in each pylon that rotated to fit down the relatively thin struts. A poor design IMO. You can see how it works here: www.coldnorth.com/owen/deckplans/m20/oberth-s.htm
I love it..here's a Obearth Class at warp..
Battle speed! I nearly choked on my tea!😂
If we think about it, there's probably very good reason Starfleet had a lot of Oberth class ships; They're tiny, and most likely cheap to build and can have a skeleton crew compliment of FIVE. By star trek standard, it's like manning a rowboat with a machine gun strapped onto it. And sending it against a warship. Or strapping a turret on a mobile laboratory. I like the latter way more.
Another thought I had is Starfleet's fetish for refitting their ships, making sure they have the longest service time as possible, save for getting destroyed, with the most notable example being the Excelsior class, would most likely have made the Oberth class a pretty important logistics ship as well, if you refit it to have the secondary hull be either supply haul, hospital ships, and during the dominion war, maybe be the testbed for overcomming the Breen energy dampening weapon. Imagine how terrified the test crew must've been with every failed test attempt to that weapon, after the Cardassian resistance supplied Starfleet with one. Sure, the test crew probably weren't in danger, unlike their comrades at the front.
For all the shit the Oberth gets, I think it still should be called a "tough little ship" for withstanding the tests of half-mad, and sometimes insane brilliant, science.
And really, with the kind of technology they have - a larger number of smaller ships would make more logical sense. We've been shown in the TNG era that computers are so advanced that ship functions can largely go on automatically. So from an operations standpoint if you don't actually need 1000 people to run a ship, why build larger ships when you get more bang for your buck building a higher quantity of smaller ones?
@@gmjosh2766 Smaller is better in a lot of instances particularly where you're at a resource disadvantage. The most effective ships in the Kriegsmarine were U-boats and torpedo-boats.
Yeah Starfleet sure has a ...fetish, for refitting ships.
Totally an unusual thing for a navy to do. ... really rare
The Oberth. A flying casket. The USS Ford Pinto. A tough little ship? That’s the Defiant-class. There is no good reason whatsoever to design, construct and deploy a ship like the Oberth which has minimum weapons and shielding, even as a science vessel. Not to mention keeping it in service for decades or more. A science/cargo/transport vessel needs really good shields and weapons AND propulsion just as any regular old Starfleet vessel. Maybe even more. Space, on it’s own, can be really dangerous. A high-radiation environment, where stuff like solar flares, CMEs(coronal mass ejections), novas and supernovas can occur without warning and you have to leave at maximum warp. Why have the Oberths when you have Mirandas, Novas, Magees, Nebulas and Crossfields which can do the same job but much better in all aspects? Even the Defiants could do a better job as science/cargo/transport/patrol vessels.
@@gmjosh2766 That’s not an excuse for designing, constructing and deploying the Oberths. Why do that when you have Mirandas, Novas, Defiants, Magees, Nebulas and Crossfields that can do the same job but far, far better? Oberths are flying caskets disguised as Starfleet vessels. The design should have been rejected and the prototypes should have been handed over to Section 31 to do whatever they saw fit to do with it.
Thank you for the tribute to Marmalade Lore he was a great Trek companion in his 17 and a half years. He always thought the Oberth was a litter box resupply ship it is a stinky job, but somebody had to do it.
hah, well glad i could give to him in some small way.
Who?
The SS Russian Name, Nice
ShiningArmor359 --I think he meant to say "seal-cough-ski" , I think was spelled "Tsylkofsky", but I REALLY can't remember and now that I look at it, it doesn't look right. I know it was the Next Gen episode where everyone got that drunk flu that originated in TOS.
SS Tsiolkovsky ... Memory Alpha ftw...
Mostly just found it funny he just knew he wasn't going to pronounce it right, dunno if I could...
К. Э. Циолковский.... is the actual plaque you see... my eyes go cross
Tsiolkovski was the guy who wrote the "rocket equation" (which allows one to calculate the potential delta-v of a spacecraft) among other things
One of the founding fathers of rocket science, a very appropriate guy to name a ship after
Could have been a nicer ship, but I guess the experimental nature of it is a sort of tribute in itself
Also the Oberth class did have a shuttle bay and landing pad. I have the deck plans if you want.
Link? Is it from Ex Astris Scientia, or Jackhill?
Chris sonofPear riker mentions phaser fights all the way to the shuttle bay in the pegasus episode of tng.
Remember the idea of the golden BB. that is a case where a lucky shot can kill or mission kill any ship.
Yeah Oberths are fine for their role but any idiot that sends one into a battle should be court-marshalled.
I'm not completely sure but wasn't *every* Oberth that went into battle on-screen destroyed?
I know Miranda's get a bad rep for blowing up in Ds9 (But when you're 90% of the fleet what can you expect) but their casualties never reach the percentage of Oberths blown up in "battle"....
not only that most of those miranda's were probably salvagable as they were usually disabled
By the time of DS9, the Miranda was, what, a 115 year old design? The Soyuz class was a sub-class of the Miranda, but it was "out of service for more than eighty years." by the time of TNG: Cause and Effect. Not bad for a literal Centurion.
With updated tech, the basic configuration of a Miranda class was also a very versatile and timeless design.
*Court Martialled. As in Martial or Military Courts.
Also, despite the typical depiction in media where it's an instant dishonorable discharge or a one-way trip to a federal prison (or the morgue), they are not a bad thing. Just like any other court, it gives the defendant a chance to, well, defend themselves from the charges, and the prosecution still needs to prove the defendant guilty of a crime.
The movie _Top Gun_ actually shows one that is about fact finding after Goose dies while ejecting from their out-of-control F-14. We don't see much besides the final decision of the court (ruling that the loss of the F-14 and the death of Goose were both accidents), but the process still occurred.
Our ship is clad in titanium. Whats yours made of?
Victory.
" IT EXPLODED ON IT'S OWN "
" IT MUST BE AN
OBERTH CLASS "
Victorium isn't that bad a name. Heck, there's a gem that's literally called amazonite.
unobtainium
I unabashedly love "unobtanium." There's no better way to tell your audience that it's not important, and they should all just move along.
Azeroite!
And when it's cut and polished, it's refereed to as Amazonite prime.
WONDER WOMAN WANTS THAT STUFF!
Did anyone try to one shot it with a bird of pray in Klingon academy?
I've always viewed the Oberth as Starfleets version of a US Coast Guard cutter, or a maybe corvette.
The kind of ship that can be used for just about anything with minimal alterations, but whose crews unofficial motto would be something like
"We gotta go out. We don't gotta come back."
A ship that could be used for SaRs, science, mapping, training, picket, and supply operations; but which can in extremis be thrown in to the teeth of death and make sure the opposing force knows they've been kissed. The picket one though is something that makes most sense to me. They're tiny ships, with tiny crews, which would make them ideal for holding a position that's too valuable to leave to something as fragile as a Runabout or Peregrine fighter, but not valuable enough to essentially waste the abilities of a heavier unit on.
I'm sure someone below will have mentioned that maybe they were used in something akin to AWAC operations; a science speciality would make them ideal platforms for finding those hard to spot weak points in an opponents hull/system/formation.
Honestly I see a lot of parallels between the Oberth and, my personal favourite Trek starship, the Archer Class. They're small, with ill defined (perhaps purposely?) roles but seem like they could do an awful lot in the right hands.
I think they spent most of their time investigating the numerous mundane physical phenomenon that other ships were too valuable to waste their time with.
Pt boat from wwll
I'd take the runabout oder the delta-flyer over this thing!
It's one significant role was as a clay pigeon for Klingon target practise.
I always really like the ship, the design was cool, but I didn't really know the lore behind it honestly. Being the unsung testbed of federation designs and possibly being a flying sensor array makes it even cooler to me.
But, WERE the Grissom's shields up? Or at least, fully raised, in time to deflect the Klingon torpedo? From the dialogue, it appears the ships was initially trying an evasive action to raise the shields.
I just rewatched the clip. The captain never gave the order to raise shields.
@@jeffreyknickman5559 judging by the lightning, they were under red alert, so shields should have been up.
One thing i like about the Oberth is that it is really fast and can turn like a fighter in star trek online.
This class of vessel would be a good Starfleet Academy training vessel for command-track, sciences-track, and engineering-track cadets, due to its limits and possible uncomplicated systems.
The only class of ship in Starfleet that an officers commission requires an update to your life insurance policy
I still LOVE the HOT asian helmsman of the Grissom !!!
1. The Oberth class had 2 phaser banks and 1 "torpedo bay." I put that in quotation marks because it was mainly used to launch probes for scientific missions, but it did carry a compliment of 20 torpedo\probes if the need arose.
2. The reason why Oberth class ships were at Wolf359 was because Starfleet had to raise an armada as fast as possible. if it had a phaser bank it was drug into the fleet. Admiral Hanson was no fool, he was forced to use every ship available to try and stop the Borg.
Alpha canon source?
Reminds me of the fan-made deckplans on Ex Astris Scientia.
Lore reloaded
memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Starfleet_Academy_(game)
The game is considered canon and accurately simulates ships with accurate weapons. Just note since this is a 90s game it may not accurately PORTRAY them in simulated battles due to the limits of the game.
Games are categorically not considered alpha Canon.
Except This game HAS Checkov, Sulu, Macoy, and Kirk in it. Kirk especially becomes an important character in the later part of the game. It's alpha.
That would make an interesting series, a starfleet/science team in a souped up oberth class ship
The Oberth Class: The Ford Pinto of Starfleet
Good breakdown - I pretty much agree with everything you said. It makes a lot of sense to use an older science vessel as a testbed for new technology - I assume that the interior was highly modular to accommodate different mission profiles, which would make the addition of experimental technology easier.
I like to think that the Nova class eventually replaced the Oberth's original scientific role - not terribly big or fast, and not intended to be out on the frontier. After the big explorers go through a system, little ships like these arrive and do the long-term research.
I've heard that before, it's an interesting idea.
Lore Reloaded. Explains why they were there when the Borg appeared deep in fed space. Obviously the hand full of Galaxy's and even the Nebulas were mostly nearer the frontier than the core systems.
With perhaps 6 Galaxy class ships at the time and probably not yet hundreds of Nebulae covering a truely massive volume of space its no surprise they were not on hand for the battle.
I would also imagine the remaining Ambassadors and still substantial Excelsiors shared deep space duty due to the huge amount of space being explored and they were probably the go to vessels to patrol existing borders. Numerous and advanced enough for the job yet not so rare that such a post would be a waste. You wouldnt stick your Galaxy class prude of the fleet on mundane border patrol during peace time, even if they might be better than any two or three lesser ships.
The Nova class pretty much is the replacement. I like the think the Springfield-class was also intended as such, but wasn't very commonly produced.
Chris sonofPear. Lets see if the Nova can live up to the legacy! I still say the Oberth predates the constitutions by several years unless the Grissom used a recycled registry number. Meaning its well over a century old design by DS9 the era.
And did you mean Crossfield class? Theres little info on the actual Springfield class. The Xfield imo was a specialty design, probably with only three ships built ( Xfield, Glenn,Discovery) due to some very specific features like the articulated rings and the engineering hull probably being so large to house spore cultivation.
Recycled registry is likely. The real reason it has that registry is that they copied the Franz Joseph Technical Manual and just stuck the class in after the Hermes-class, with a slightly higher number (NCC-638)
Every Star Fleet iteration misused the "scout" functions of a class like this. If it had powerful sensors and was small enough to be stealthy, it could sit on the Federation border and troll at low impulse power, while using it's sensors to probe deep into Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian, or Breen space, and send real-time data to the rest of the fleet. It could have taken the place of the old Border posts that the Romulan's destroyed.
At Wolf 359 or Sector 001, it could have been used to monitor the battle, and then sneak in afterwards for rescue operations. I don't think it would have ever actually been a combat vessel. It would be more like the USNS "fishing Trawler" ships, (IE. SURTASS www.msc.navy.mil/inventory/ships.asp?ship=106 )
1) Google surtass (link is busted)
2) think "holy shit that's actually what this ship should have been for"
NX ships that are eventually entered into regular service are typically given an NCC designation, likes the nx2000 being designated the ncc-2000 after her trial runs.
That's swell
Cruising speed 5.0 Flank Speed 6.0 (12 hours) Burst Speed 6.4 (1 Hours)
2 type 8 Phaser turret 1 torpedo tube aft type 5f
(strategic design Blueprints)
Not alpha canon alas
well per canon there is nothing about speed weapons ect yet you talked about them so it looks like your using non canon info
Oberth class:
SF: what a joke
Section 31: We keep this ship looking like a joke and nobody will ever notice how much power it contains...
also section 31: At least our versions anyway
When the Oberth class was intended to be a supply ship and science
indeed
So, basically it's a "science space canoe"
"tested out Prometheus class systems" oh god... imagine an Oberth with a multi vector assault mode...
It would still blow up, and there probably wouldn't be any phasers on any of the other parts of the ship. Essentially the other 2 parts would be a distraction and would just slam into the enemy ship in hope of it doing damage.
The nx 01 could've kicked its ass
untapped potential of a war canoe.
I just woke my fiance up with my laughing...
My Chihuahua, Dobby, just died hours ago, and then I see your dedication to your cat.... ;__;
Joel Bell i'm so sorry for your loss. I have to say, that is a great name for a Chihuahua. There are many similarities between the two.
Oberth: OBsolete, Explodes Regularly, Tries Hard.
The problem with the Grissom in Star Trek III was the same problem that most Starfleet vessels had when facing the Klingons of that era. Their shields were weak against torpedo attacks. This was made painfully apparent during the Enterprise-A's engagement with General Chang's Bird of Prey in Star Trek VI. Even a fully shielded Enterprise took some hull damage at the point of impact, and the Oberth is a much less robust design than a TMP Constitution. A direct hit at the right point could still destroy the ship even with shields fully raised. Only the Excelsior could shrug off a torpedo hit with no obvious damage.
Fought one of these things in Klingon Academy as the first mission.
I had no lucky shot, but it was still the easiest fight in that game.
I'm not quite sure on this one, but hear me out. You're focusing primarily on its role as a combat vessel and viewing it exclusively from that perspective. Starfleet however was never intent - at least until the borg/ dominion threats - on producing real warships, which is essentially why they got beaten so hard in the initial phase of the dominion war. Now the Oberth as far as I remember is indeed mainly a science ship, as you have stated. The fact that it was thrown into the battle of Wolf 359 and Sector 001 does not however constitute its role as a warship, it merely shows the utter desperation starfleet and the federation faced during that time; This is also the reason why they threw ships at the borg that still had civilians on them. There just wasn't time to get them off board and they were on the brink of defeat, thus throwing in everything that had something like a phaserbank. So all in all I think it's unfair to judge this ship mainly on its performance during combat, that'd be like judging a dude by his cupsize (okay that comparison sucks, but you get what I mean) or a girl by her dicksize.
Also when it was destroyed by a bird of prey, that still doesn't constitute its role as a combat vessel. It just shows that at times, starfleet vessels get surprised by enemies.
I really have no canon evidence to back this supposition up, but as I studied the Oberth design in a science and research role, I developed the impression that the saucer/warp propulsion should be able to undock from the un-powered, science section secondary hull, perhaps to leave it orbiting the planet under study, while the saucer/propulsion unit surveyed the rest of the system. That really is the only way such a design makes sense to me.I suppose too, it would make a good rapid response, evac/ambulance ship. The secondary hull could loaded with injured, repair to a tug train, drop that hull, and pick up another. This would also make it perfect for testing new types of equipment as you propose. The ship could drop whatever secondary it was carrying, and pick up the test bed hull. Another use might be as an ambassadorial mission with the embassy offices and quarters in in the secondary hull, where the primary hall would serve to carry the Ambasador on missions away from the embassy hull. This multifunction really would make it the "little ship that could."
Oberth crew man: hey we have not blown up. I guess where lucky.
Oberth captain: YOUVE KILLED US ALL. RED ALERT. ALL HANDS TO ESCAPE PODS.
The warp core breaches destroying the ship
This is the warship Oberth lower your shields or be destroyed.
This may have been stated in a previous comment, but on the display at the beginning of the video, there is a shuttle bay listed at the back of the ship with a shuttle in there. Not sure how it deploys, but it looks like the idea was there at some point.
I'll be darned..it's int he secondary hull right there..how the hell did I miss that? It's never even mentioned either in any other resource i could find.
You're right, that is peculiar and I'm not sure why it wouldn't be mentioned, but ever since I found out about the mouse in the Galaxy Class display, I've always found it fun to look over those displays to see if I could find any other funny things.
I chose this one because it looks like an actual MSD made by them (there are an unreasonable amount that are fan made). I'll see what I can do in conforming if this is real or not to.
Tight space back there. The ship can't be longer than 150 metres, hence two decks in the upper hull. But still a lot of narrow areas in the back.
It's a confirmed Canon image. Pinned a comment.
"SS...Russian Name"
That made me laugh. I'm going to have to use that one.
The SS...Russian name. Lol
Yea..never could say it right..so it got cut.
my one question about that ship is how on earth the USSR was still building the oberth in the 24th century
Lore Reloaded Ooh... come on! Forget the "TS" (BS) and pronunce pronunc it with a hard "C" ("Ci-al-kov-sky")!🖖
He was a pioneer in Trek values before Gene was even born and the crew of his namesake ship killed themselves. And they spelled his name wrong on his plaque...
The USS “Russian Name” was the SS Tsiolkovksy (pronounced “seal kov ski”). It was a Russian built Oberth Class ship seen in the TNG episode “The Naked Now”. It was sacrificed to buy the Enterprise a little extra time to get out of the way of an oncoming asteroid.
Ahh, the Oberth. The Starfleet experiment in tissue paper armour combined with 'get out and push to go faster' warp drive. It couldn't fight its way out of a paper bag because it is the paper bag!
I literally LOL'd at the "battle speed"....
Always love this ship
Maybe if this ship so focused on Science that it may have very good and very long range sensor technology. If that was the case maybe this ship sat back from the fight and provided tactical analysis and direction to the fleet without engaging directly. If this was true then it could explain why this ship was at Worf 359 and sector 001. This could also explain some of the damage at Worf 359 as Picard would have been aware of this capacity and would have taken steps to eliminate the command and control infrastructure first therefore making the rest of the ships disorganized / vulnerable. It could also explain the reason that star fleet believed that 40 ships could overcome the borg cube as they would have access to this form of strategy coordination.
Gimme a breakdown of the Miranda Class next!
there is going to be a vote in the community tab ;)
More like the bucket or hoopty class.
I actually have an idea for an STO fan-fic that features a Miranda as a "hero" ship. In the story, the Miranda Class had been retired from active service in the late 2380s, but a plan was proposed to bring the ships back after the war with the Klingons had depleted operational starship numbers to a dangerous level. The admiralty judged that the design was too badly outdated to effectively serve in its current form, so a single ship was brought out of mothballs to serve as a testbed for a class-wide refit. This ship was the U.S.S. Pontiac - NCC-42409, a veteran of several major conflicts, and the last newly constructed Miranda Class to leave the yard - being first commissioned in 2351. The refit is extensive. All of the phaser banks are replaced with phaser strip arrays, and fore and aft phaser cannons are added to the rollbar, with two additional fore cannons placed on the tops of each nacelle. The shield generators are made more robust, taking up twice as much interior space and leaving room for only a single holodeck for recreation. The ship's top speed is increased to warp 9.4, and the warp core is replaced with one that can generate nearly twice the power as the original at full load. The new Miranda effectively combines the firepower of a Defiant with the versatility of a light cruiser, and is touted to be able to stand up to a Vor'cha Class battlecruiser on its own.
If that sounds too good to be true, that's because it is. Initial tests of the new design reveal the ship's EPS grid - which remains mostly unchanged - cannot handle the load of all three enhanced systems (weapons, shields, warp drive) being used at the same time, and the 24th century computer core cannot interface with the 25th century upgrades without continuous maintenance. Various malfunctions all over the ship are a daily occurrence, similar to the lemon Enterprise-A seen in Star Trek V. Starfleet is ready to write the project off as a failure, but the Pyrrhic victory at the Battle of Starbase 24 leaves the fleet in such a desperate state that Admiral Quinn decides to recommission the ship anyway and authorizes an extended shakedown cruise under the watch of recent Starfleet Academy graduates. Cue the tutorial mission of STO. This is the way I see the story of STO canonically begin. The U.S.S. Pontiac is a cantankerous beast of burden, always riding the razor's edge between completely dominating its opponents and suffering a complete systems failure. It is the last hurrah for the Miranda Class, the planned class-wide refit being cancelled because of all of the technical problems, but it is the first command of a Starfleet captain who just might become a legend.
i like that idea of starting in a ship barely holding together by dutch tape but stil do its jobb XD like picard's first command XD
@@Lennis01 I had a similar idea once, only it featured the Sydney class.
Basically, during the Dominion War SF instituted a program to upgrade and "militarize" a bunch of older civilian ship designs, specifically the Aerie and Sydney class transports, to be used as patrol/escort ships (to free up more capable ships) or as resistance vessels just in case the Dominion won. The program focused on robustness and ease of operation. They were designed to be operated by small, minimally trained crews for extended periods in situations where repairs and resupply might not be possible. This resulted in the Skua (Aerie class refit) and Stonefish (Sydney class refit) classes. The Skua was faster and better armed, but not as durable. The Stonefish was slow (top speed warp 8.8 for 12 hours) and minimally armed but much tougher, almost as tough as a Defiant class.
My stories are set aboard the USS Pompanito (Stonefish class) ten years after the Dominion War(2385) She's in rough shape and her crew is a bunch of misfits, but Starfleet needs ships with warm bodies because the Alpha quadrant is completely FUBAR.
in my head canon, when it was in battles like Wolf or 001. The Oberth would be on the outskirts of the battle in the various picket-lines etc. There they would serve as the communications platforms, coordinating the attacks of friendly ships, scanning for weaknesses of the enemies, and relaying information to Starfleet command. I imagine battles could get hectic and ships might get tunnel vision or be too busy to focus on everything at once, so a ship in the background assisting would make sense.
The Oberth Class's role in Wolf 359 was to explode... in the hopes of taking out the enemy along with it. Weapon payload: "EXPLODIUM" Major flaw? "Premature detonation"
#nailedit
Okay. Simply accelerate to 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% lightspeed with the only cargo being antimatter.
Wasn’t everyone’s job at Wolf 359 to die?
critter30002001 Which the Oberth did with the most enthusiasm.
OK I have to use that word in a sentence some time TODAY.
Even in our current day, ships used for scientific research, Black Ops, Surveillance, and, other non-combat missions, that are crewed by a mix of civilians, and, military personnel, exist. They carry the prefix USNS, and, are officially listed as "auxiliaries".
Lmaoo damn unions.
I know right!?
I have played Star Trek Encounters on PS2 many times and in the one Ep. whereas the Enterprise has two Oberth class ships for support, The Grissom & The Pegasus against an entire armada of Klingon D7's & Missile launching platforms I was only able to complete the mission with both ships intact once or twice. I was Promoted to Admiral.
If it's a science/testbed-type vessel, ok...maybe.
Scout? No...no.
Is the lower hull even manned?
Always thought the lower hull was packed with sensor arrays, etc.
Are we saying to get to the lower hull, there are curved turbolift shafts in each support? Why?
Maybe the sensor arrays are so sensitive that they need to be far away from the warp core and any other ship systems?
"I wouldn't be surprised if Prometheus systems were tested on the Oberth" please, the Oberth didn't *just* have the boring multi-vector assault 'take out one Romulan ship'... It had the far superior and top-secret 360 degree *every*-vector shrapnel cloud assault mode, only possible by unexpectedly blowing up in the enemies faces
How you describe the Oberth as the unassuming hero is probably my favorite detail. Anyway, I think I understand its role as a scout: The high volume of scientific instrumentation.
Compared to more militarized ships that have sensors meant to scan apposing vessels, the Oberth can use it's highly varied sensors to scan *for* ships, especially those that might not use comms frequencies, or have radiation types and patterns, as ships from the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Scanning for ships of as yet undiscovered species, basically.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and shape way and form possibly provided indeed, Oh and by the way in Star Trek 3 the Grissom didn't have enough time to fully raise their sheilds in time when the bird of prey decloked because it was already prepared to fire upon decloking🤔.
+Lore Reloaded, a Prototype Ship can go from an NX- registry to an NCC- registry once the ship line has been commissioned e.g. the NX-2000 USS Excelsior became the NCC-2000 USS Excelsior, so the USS Oberth having an NCC registry is fine lore wise.
indeed
Might have been simpler if some types of ships had separate prefix letters all along. Might have been less confusing for the numbering.
I suppose a ship in a line that never got comissioned would keep the NX (Navel eXperimental) prefix, I know the Defiant kept its NX prefix (mostly because of CGI budget reasons) while ships given NCC would be Naval Construction Contract prefix.
Could have added other letters as well, was what I mean't. To distinguish main starships from scouts and transports, for instance.
Hello , been getting more and more into this stuff , so to preface my comment I have been a fan of trek since I watched TOS as a kid . Now for a long time between the end of ToS the first Movie and TNG , the only thing keeping fandom going was the books cartoon Fanzines and US. Fasa and star fleet battles all grew for this time , and many of my collectable books on ships are from this era. And go beyond beta cannon to wtf are you talking about cannon.
But for what it worth...before it was called the
Oberth class it was called the
Gagarin class , it was built as a fleet auxiliary and a pure Research and Survey ship.
had a crew of about 108
would cruise at warp 5 and a max of warp 7
had standard shields
a single dual Phaser bank
No torps ( but might have a probe launcher )
has a small hanger bay with a mix of up to 15 shuttles of varies sizes.
First like first comment...winning!
Howard Gleason #hero
Lore Reloaded Thanks *tears up*
Welp. You either *die* a hero, or live long enough to become the villain, and since this is the Oberth episode weeellllll....
airplanemaster1 WAIT? I WASN'T VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE ON AN OBERTH! There is still pron I haven't seen yet! A cat I must feed! My secret plan to takeover Denmark...you forget that last one.
Imagine making it through Starfleet Academy, and all your classmates get assigned to Excelsior-class, or Galaxy-class vessels, and you get put on an Oberth class.
The second in class was shippy Mcshipface
I want a Trek series taking place on one of these. Small crew means EVERY member of it could be fleshed out so nobody would end up being a redshirt. The ship could be like the Starfleet equivalent of an eastern bloc car, meaning it requires constant maintenance just to keep running, and more emphasis on science and research could lead to character-driven stories that are more rooted in literary science fiction than social commentary.
...which is an idea not at all inspired by my preference towards such stories in TNG, like Cause & Effect.
BATTLESPEED!! CLASSIC!
it was a good clip of the oberth
like to know the flim you used please :)
paulus121212 Ben-Hur
paulus121212 the original, not the remake
The warp speed scene kills me lmao
Poor kitty... =(
A fan's kitty, glad I was able to give a small memorial.
On a similar note, Bento the Keyboard Cat passed away a few days ago.
looked like a cute kitty too
They were at 359 and 001 because it was a last-stand scenario where you send literally anything and everything.
Also they didn't have any other ship models and a limited budget.
The Oberth was never intended to be a warship, it was a scientific laboratory given warp nacelles.
That's what I figured. I mean, that kind of ship WOULD be useful.
But I think Starfleet should have combat ready vessels, no matter how peaceful Starfleet intends to be. It's just like Earth, United States for example, has a horn of plenty of vessels,. Civilian and Military.
I think you may well be on to something with the suggestion of it being a test bed for other Starfleet equipment, I mean a cruising speed of 4.0 is not overly fast, it seems more likely it would be fitted with the newest good idea of the Starfleet engineers and then sent out to a quiet bit of space not far from home to test the system out, I'd suggest that the relatively small crew complement (between 5 and 80 as you said) would support this, minimal crew so minimal risk to life if the new system has a major malfunction. I also wonder about the saucer separation, given the above it would seem reasonable to me that they may fit the systems to be tested into the lower secondary hull, and if anything went wrong while testing the systems they would be able to jettison this hull in space and head home on the saucer section.Given the adapted shields and hull construction to withstand spacial anomalies I also wonder if it was the ship that got the crappy jobs no-one also wanted of analysing the particularly nasty anomalies, with this in mind it also seems possible a saucer section separation could be useful here, you get all the crew in the saucer section and then send the secondary hull in as essentially a big probe that can carry a lot more equipment than a standard probe, piloted via remote from the saucer section.I could also see the Oberth being useful in battles, not as a combat vessel, but rather as a tender/support for the larger ships, I mean it's unlikely that anyone really saw the Oberths as a threat, so in a major battle the enemy would most likely be focusing their fire onto the bigger, more combat capable ships, leaving the Oberths relatively safe to run around bringing supplies to the combat vessels, possibly conducting exterior damage inspections and generally being a work horse, it also seems that given the fact that they could likely get away with moving around a busy battle area without too much issue they'd be ideal candidates to preform rescue missions for any vessels that were destroyed in battle. And finally I could also see a roll for them as essentially a clean up crew, moving through after the battle and towing any vessel of value back to a starbase, now obviously this would include any Starfleet vessel which may be repairable, but also, what if there's a disabled enemy vessel that's been abandoned, I could see an Oberth being sent out to tow that back and allow the Starfleet engineers and intelligence people to sink their teeth in and study the enemy ships, as well as removing any sensitive material from any Starfleet vessels that will be left on the battlefield as wrecks not Worthing recovering. I honestly love the Oberth class and think it is the most underappreciated, and likely overworked, vessel Starfleet has.