Ship Chat: Oberth Class
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2020
- in Todays ship chat we take a look at the infamously accident prone Oberth class and review its design and features in a manner similar to a certain Mr. Fletcher as always Enjoy.
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I imagine the Oberth's at the battle of sector 001 were trying to scan the borg for weaknesses and/or scanner countermeasures to try and disrupt the borg sensors locking onto the fleet. As you point out they couldn't fight, so some form of electronic warfare seems the most likely answer.
Oberth Captain: We may be on an Oberth people, but David felled Goliath! A wasp can sting an opponent to death! So shall it be with us! Death by a thousand cuts lads! Death by a thousand...
Borg: We are the Borg. We have scanned your vessels. We have made a mistake. Your culture cannot have anything that can be used to adapt and service us if you sent these ships to confront us. We are sorry for the inconvenience. Please evolve and contact us at a later date.
Grampa Starfleet: ... And that was how the Oberth saved Christmas!
@@davfree9732 Would be an absolutely hilarious prank on the Klingons/Romulans/Cardassians/Dominion to completely gut an Oberth and fill it up with the systems from a Defiant class. Just imagine the reactions to an Oberth suddenly taking off at high speed shooting ahead of the fleet of modern combat ships, dodging every shot thrown at it, and taking down a battlecruiser solo after over a century of being a laughing stock of the quadrant! The stunned reactions would likely give you at least five minutes of free shots on the enemy fleet!
@@KertaDrake That is the ship Reginald Barclay needs to Captain (he'll have been horrifically scarred so they can get a different actor)
Captains got assigned to Oberth class ships when they got on the wrong side of an Admiral.
@Rob Cameron It couldn't have been good. Lol!
@Rob Cameron Lol! With a name like Esteban, it had to be something.
@@garycleveland6410 Of course a guy like that would be on the bad side of an Admiral! He was calling them over every single little decision!
What if you were the odd Captain like I would've been that would (at least for a time) enjoy commanding a ship like this? Maybe I get to make transport runs to remote colonies and places most starfleet officers don't usually get to see. The big ships are all out on the frontline while I am enjoying traveling to obscure places and frontier systems for transport and science missions. Maybe I enjoy joining an archaeological team on a planet surface for a few months? There could still be adventures to be had on a ship like this just maybe not in the way that officers serving on front line vessels would. Not to mention these are great ships for captains who carry out less liked or less approved missions that can be hidden or kept quiet better and for longer. For instance, the federation phasing cloak was developed on an Oberth class ship. The facts about its development were not even revealed for many years and then only out of necessity to prevent the Romulans from getting it. Also, Perhaps I even enjoy routine patrol missions in peaceful sectors along the Federation borders where dangerous confrontations are extremely rare and almost non-existent.
@@jkeelsnc Ok
introducing the red shirt class i mean oberth class where your life span is cut down as almost anything is deadly to the ship even a paper bag
i think you'll find paper bags are an oft overlooked yet nonetheless dangerous spatial phenomena.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 lol true hopefully this time they make them with handles haha
Like it better than nova?
"Doesn't have the option to jettison [the warp core]." Watched every episode of TNG and DS9. That option never worked in 354 episodes. I think it only worked in VOY one time.
That idiot Geordi ejected Ent-E Perfectly working warp core
@@niceguy60 when it was overloaded by Sona weapons and burning deuterium? Couldn't think of a better reason to eject it and disable the isolitic subspace inversion chasing after them....
@@wwclay86 I agree it was necessary, but they just handwaved the consequences. They have no warp core now! No FTL, how are they going to get anywhere once they've left the Briar Patch?
@@Z1gguratVert1go Call a Nebula Class to come tow them to a Star Base and then sit on their hands until a new warp core is lugged there by tugs all the way from Mars I guess. Unless they tow them all the way back to Mars or another capable ship yard and install it there.
I don't think the Prometheus Class Warp Core Ejection would work very well unless the ship was split up - though it may get around that by being able to eject either up or down on the cores. But I can see it being a bit weird on that class of ship.
I don't think the Oberth looks anywhere near large enough to have some of the features claimed for it though.
@@90lancaster I agree. As for Oberths, I think an Oberth can have any of the features they mentioned, but not all of them. I bet Oberths are cheap and easy to reconfigure for different mission profiles. In "The Naked Now" the inside of the Oberth looked completed updated to Next Gen era aesthetics internally, implying significant refits. I get the impression that Starfleet Starships are really expensive to make and take a long time to build, so once built they're put to some kind of use for as long as possible.
An interesting video, I laughed at how close the captins chair was to that emergency escape hatch.
"OK people, we are out of options, strap me with photon warhead, load me into the emergency escape hatch and fire me at the enemy ship"
i just love the idea of a escape hatch on a starship. thats like having one in a submarine.
Shax approves
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Thus the expression of the best salesman being able to sell screen doors on submarines.
Quick, open the door! I owe the Klingon captain a beer and he's got a hatch I can lob it to!
The best chance Oberth-class bridge crew members have to get away from it all...😉
Ah yes, the the Oberth, aka the coffin-class or the space canoe. The ship the makes the Kamchatka look like purpose-built first-rate battleship in comparison. Have mercy on those who are either incredibly brave or stupid to serve on one.
Please don't insult the Kamchatka like that
Fascinating how in the Battle for Sector 001 Oberths serve as ECM/EW assets, and in Hunt for the Hutet they serve as electronic surveillance and patrol platforms, freeing up larger assets for front line assignments.
i like how the oberth is everyone's punching bag it can't catch a brake
It’s can sure catch a torpedo , but only 1 😉
Well when its first impression is it exploding in a single hit, that tends to make an impression.
To be fair, once the Borg scanned a Oberth they should have withdrawn. Not because they were a threat, but because they were Oberths, and the Borg only assimilates useful cultures and technology...
Anyone fielding Oberths is not someone the Borg want in their collective.
@@davfree9732 "We are the Borg. Your culture is flying in deathtraps. Please leave our vicinity."
If they just moved those wings to the center and gave it a neck that made sense, this ship would be about 90% less dumb. That thing would've been a pretty sweet torpedo boat/ resupply ship in the dominion and borg wars, rather than just being a useless scaled down starship.
It’s easy to get from the saucer to the engineering hull; one pylon has a giant slide and the other has a rope ladder. On the captain’s birthday they make the engineering section a giant ball pool.
I can’t believe they sent these things against the Borg TWICE! Suicide mission much?
They have artificial gravity, they can make it downhill on both side. Port is down to the module, starboard is down to the main section, with a little turn around room at zero g to get up sorted out again.
To their credit one did survive the Wolf 359 battle since it was used as a communication ship and didn't fire on the Borg so the Borg ignored it...
I think that they sent them because of they are science ship. All ships which can fight fight and Oberth colect important data for future develompent. Its my idea why sending this ship on place like this
Perhaps Starfleet saw it as the perfect ship to infiltrate a Borg cube as the Borg don't attack anything or anyone they don't consider a threat.
@@smnbee75 Or maybe they were hoping the Borg would assimilate the Oberth's tendency to explode? That might actually explain a LOT of Voyager...
Correction, the Oberth was replaced by the Nova and Saber class starships. The Saber is a modular class that can be modified to fit any of the three roles Starfleet needs: Science, Patrol, and Combat based on what sensor modules are swapped out and if additional weapons are attached. Technically, the Nova can also be modified into a combat or science role as well though its not as modular as the saber.
i knew about the nova but not the saber.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yeah, you don't think science ship for a class of starship named after a type of sword. But technically it was designed to be the original Oberth class replacement according to Beta Cannon. Just a little thing called the Borg to happen and Starfleet realized they needed warships, or at least realized they needed to make it so all their ships are combat-ready. The time for pure science ships was over, Starfleet had to have a fully armed fleet even if they perform transport or science roles.
@@raw6668 I believe it was Eaglemoss that had that idea of the Saber? It often seems treated as more of an Escort vessel, though, crew 40 to 108 (by escape pods) Never been clear of launch date, either.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Actually, DS9 Technical Manual also stated that as well, I believe. We just don't have a clear picture and what is known about the classes is often repurpose in video games.
I would the Olympic class was also a successor to the Oberth due it's similar appearance and it's role as a mid-range science ship and an armed hospital ship.
at the battle of sector 001 I imagine they were there as repair & Rearm vessel as well as assisting with crew evacs.
I imagine they were upgraded by then , weapons and shielding upgrades . Bit like they did with the Lakota. They were also small , nimble and surprisingly fast . The Borg were also probably less interested in them. If you watch close-ups of the battle, they ( Oberth) get a few good hits at the Borg cube with their phasers at close quarters 😊
I always wondered how they travel down to that lower part, always thought they used the transporter. It was always a wonder why this was used as a test bed for so many upgrades and mods for future ships. I notice much of the crews from the TNG time weren't even Starfleet. That are the oberth Crews didn't wear uniforms
yeah something the old broken Mirror flash games did quite well was have a galaxy populated with numerous civilian and neutral ships.
Based on the design, it looks like it was designed as a testbed for warp engines as both the warp core and the navigational deflector dish are in that lower ship hull. All the other core ship systems are in the upper hull. This modular design would likely make the ship fairly popular for trade ships as well.
Equipment being pressganged into service where it has no business being is not exactly a new thing. This happened during the Iraq war with the American Humvee.
@@Jeff55369 of course it was used by civilians, most was after decommissioning. But the ship was really small, I don't see how this little thing was used to test weapons for ships five times bigger than it without overloading it systems, are nearly shaking itself or ripping itself apart while testing new warp nacelle designs, or testing a deflector dish that's going to be nearly the same size as the ship. Even Skilling it down or ship that size isn't really a full test of the prototype
@@leaaronsanchez While testing some weapon systems would be fine, it's clearly not designed for that purpose. It appears to be a purpose built platform for warp drives specifically. If something goes wrong in testing, the crew would jettison the lower hull and fly away on impulse.
That said... if you needed more power output, the bottom section is entirely modular so you could end up having a lower hull that was 1000x the size of the bridge section as long as you upscaled the warp nacelles too.
@@Jeff55369 but that being said about the nacelles, I hope that saucer model is reinforced if there's ever a problem with the warp core and sends a feedback pulse up causing a Rapture in the nacelle, if not the crew is done. Never a good design to have the nacelles attached to the saucer module.
They were probably at the battle of sector 001 to give the Borg more targets to shoot at.
Borg: Scanning the vessel... This can't be right. This was supposed to be a civilization worthy of assimilation! And they send this out to face us! Turn this cube around. This trip's a bust.
"Alright we're going into bat- HULL BREACH! ABANDON SH-"
KABOOM!
The fact two scifi series in the 80s created Oberth class ships that serve only to be small coffins independently of each other is amusing.
Interesting trivia: as originally envisioned, that "secondary hull" is _actually_ meant to be a completely unmanned, specialist sensor pod. That's _why_ turbolifts can't travel down there at the size they're stated to be, nobody's meant to go down there.
"Alright, the sensor pod broke down again. It's your turn to grease up and squeeze through the conduits to go fix it!"
This class had a higher Federation kill count then the Federation's enemies
Also Use ship for Starfleet Engineers Corps
You know if you could fit a lance phaser in place of the scientific module or a heavy torpedo delivery system this ships could have been quite formidable. It wouldn't hurt if they did away shuttle bays and turned all 3 into 3 separate shield generators. This ship had alot of unforseen potential that was sadly overlooked.
And would probably make an excellent civilian cargo hauler as well.
The Oberth class is a unique design
This seems to be optimized for Planetoid Survey's with the large Ventral Pontoon / Scanner array.
I can redesign the Hull Layout to fit 100 people while taking the same overall Bounding Box / Volume while keeping in line with it's design lineage.
I feel they should classify the 2nd lower hall as simply a huge sensor array. Mo people are in there. No warp core. The pylons just hold the array in place and it can be replaced by diffrent arrays depending on what they are sent out to study.
It was like the Sean Bean of ships, It had the reverse of plot armor, and whenever it turned up in a story you knew it was going to die.
This ship was probably designed to be supported by a Starbase or major research facility
Well, funny enough. There was an Oberth-Class ship in the Season 2 Finale and it didn't explode! Progress!
And one did make an appearance to rescue crew from the Enterprise D at the end of Generations. No clue if the crew riding on that one ever made it to their destination though!
@@KertaDrakeImagine being stranded on an alien planet and a Starfleet crew beams down: 'We're here to rescue you!', 'What class is your ship?', 'She's an Oberth-class!', 'Nah, we're all good where we are...Thanks anyway!'...😁
In the FASA game I created a "wolf in sheeps clothing" version of the Oberth. It could be a nasty surprise for any thinking they're about to glean an easy kill on one of those flimsy little Fed scouts...
I think this is the only video in history that talk about thr oberth class that doesn't show it blowing up.
The emergency escape hatch on the bridge was there if the ship needed to separate the relief ship could dock if needed to evacuate surviving crew ...its a great feature all so if the saucer made land fall or a water landing the crew could blow the escape hatch and again evacuate the ship .
In Wolf and 001 battles, clearly they should not be in the fight if they only have a single phaser. But I imagine they could be fitted with advanced sensors and stay on the edges of the battle. While the combat ships are focused on the engagement, the oberth could analyze the enemy for weaknesses, coordinate maneuvers, and relay communications. Meanwhile coordinating recovery of escape pods and beaming out survivors of damaged ships. Seen in the show, The Borg were very single minded, and tended to focus on aggressive targets and ignore those that ignored them. I could see them leaving Oberths on the perimeter alone if they weren’t firing on them, at least until the Borg determined them to be a strategic threat
There are several classes that are related to the Oberth class, ranging from 80-180m, IIRC. Jeffries tubes can be pretty compact, holding even a single crew member for the short trip to the secondary hull. At 80m, you're really only getting two effective decks from the main hull, but you've got a very long primary hull capable of holding a good sized crew for a tug.
yeah a lot of artists have it essentially as a modular platform, for use as a tug, or logistics ship.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Right, but even the tug section appears to have grown according to when they were built. So the 2280 makes were about half the length of the 2360 vessels.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every way possibly provided indeed, I myself like the Oberth class but my main question is how the warp nacelles work with out bussard collectors?, Any ways I myself have a couple model kits of this and the Fasa one as well the Micro machines one's still, but I have never been able to find a die cast of this one like all of the other various starship's and vessels of the Startrek universe.
You forgot to mention how the Oberth's hull is made with Explodium Plating.
I guess, starfleet threw every available ship at the borg at wolf 359. Even the Oberth classes around.
Only Borg Cubes despise this vessel.
Perhaps the shuttlebays are multi-purpose. Regs require at least one bay be a shuttle bay, but the others might serve as cargo holds with big outer doors for loading & unloading cargo rapidly. In this era, transporters were not generally used for bulk cargo transfers, we see worker-bees bringing supplies to the Enterprise in TMP. It makes sense as the amount of energy needed to move cargo about in microgravity with worker-bees would be miniscule compared to using a transporter.
I justify the Oberth still being in use in the 24th Century because so many were built as they are cheap to build, easy to reconfigure to different mission profiles. We do see that starting with the Excelsior Class and Oberth Class era, Federation Starships are very upgradeable, so it must have been cheaper to just keep upgrading Oberths rather than replacing them, and then at some point they weren't making any more so the Nova was designed to take over the role. This happens all the time in real life.
Another of those star trek designs that you need a teleporter or shuttle to get to the engnieering section from the main saucer
In Star Trek: Birth of the Federation (mods included), it is a "Scout/ Science" ship with 4 phasers and 2 torpedo launchers.
Must have stolen those designs from the Mirror Universe then. I hear the Oberth was one of their most terrifying frigates!
I think the oberth I a perfect test bed ship I feel it's a shame that it didn't have mission specific modules like the Miranda and nebula classes
Too bad it couldn't have the "arch" in the aft section, for torpedoes...like the Mirandas had.....but, unlike the Nova class starships, it was not to go unto battle....well, minus the suicidal missions during Wolf 359 and Sector 001.
I wouldn't have minded seeing more ships of the Oberth's aesthetic. It really is a good-looking ship apart from it's lacking combat abilities and those nacelles have a unique look that would look great on designs with a more traditional saucer, secondary hull, and pylons configuration. Sort of a mini-Excelsior type ship!
the secondary hull, and the pylons, kind of remind you of some vulcan vessels
3 shuttle bays.... also convenient to escape... heck.. the shuttle probably has more shields
Was the class named for Hermann Oberth(1894-1989)? The saucer has 4 hangers. Are the stern shuttle(s) being ferried?
0:39)USS Constellation (NCC 1017) Class.
2:17)Maybe there was no turbolift to the lower section. No gravity field in the pylons.They floated up or down.
3:16) One possible reason, mine, for the engine placement is having explosive bolts connecting the pylons to the engines. The USS Constellation(NCC 1017) Class saucers could be blown from the "neck".
5:32)If it is the lower section that is 150 meters, that is 492.125 feet. The upper appears to be 2/3 the length,100 meters, 328.08333 feet. About a crew of 40 line officers, enlisted crew and medical. 1/3 on watch, 1/3 on duty and 1/3 sleeping, eating, et cet.
7:41)5 crew and the Officer of the Watch on the bridge. The plans showed 2 unmarked rooms that could be crew quarters. 10-15 bunks in each. There is a room for the Officer Commanding(OC) and the First Lieu Tenant, but no Executive Officer(XO) space.
During the Wolf 359 conflict, ALL available ships were ordered to help confront the Borg. That would’ve included the Oberth Class starships.
There was at least one involved
I'm just disappointed that there wasn't a massive swarm of every shuttle in the Sol system converging upon the cube like a swarm of angry bees.
The Oberth & Miranda Class exist in the 24th Century to encourage Academy Graduates to "excel - or else! "
The 'Or else' being clearly seen in the later part of Deepspace Nine.
Hmmm... maybe it would be possible to make a deal with the Borg that way! We send underperforming cadets to "fight" in these lovely science-oriented ships we have and you leave us alone to do whatever we want.
Thanks!
The Bozeman museum ship and a Constitution class Training ship ended up fighting at sector 001
Question: Why would you assume turbolifts would be used to travel between habitable sections? If you're going to that much trouble to isolate the two sections, you might as well go whole hog and have travel between sections done via transporter only. Especially if internal volume is at a premium.
I actually really like design, and if it had a few tweaks and maybe scaled up a bit, it could be a really versatile and capable ship like the Miranda. It focus on various single purpose roles based on its pod. Being flimsy and lightweight, perhaps it should not be deployed on deepspace missions unescorted, but I wonder how that would be different if it could cloak. Where the procedure could be to cloak and run if any problems arose.
well to be fair, they can change the cargo pod for a weapons platform for battles.
did they ever add more than one phasor bank to these ships?
In STO they did
@@TheMrPeteChannel Are the original ones all on the saucer?
Ah.. I have figured it out... this class was constructed in vast numbers as a new litoral noncombat ship.... the original design needed a crew of 2 and had room to install megaphasers but it was found to need at least 100 overworked personnel and even then needed 8 months in drydock for every week in operation...
Jeez...no wonder the Grissom went up in ST3 from a "lucky shot." The deuterium and antimatter tanks are in the upper bulge of the ventral hull! Right were they'd get catastrophically damaged by shrapnel from an exploding nacelle!
I still believe it should have had some connection between the sauce section and the lower secondary Hull... And they must have perfected the engines to where they could work safely so close to the main hall of the ship without giving off radiation...
What I would have done is just put a huge tractor beam emitter in the bottom part, automated them as much as possible and turned them all into tugs for use in systems like Sol, Vulcan, Tellar, Andoria and Risa. Where there will be a ton of other ships already. Others remove the bottom, add some sort of clamping system and turn them in to low cost cargo haulers.
I can picture the Oberth-class being "merged" with the same class as the USS Pasteur since a few improvements can be done along the way
I think they should have given it that center section going from the saucer down to the secondary hole.... Unless it had a experimental transporter elevator they never showed..... But I still think that center section would have been a good idea.... They could have made it work if they tried....
It looks like the nacelles and saucer section can seperate from the rest of the ship. :)
Just a side question, but why is this video only 480p? For a video posted in 2020, I'd expect it to be higher resolution than that.
I do firmly believe that the Oberth Class was actually based on a civilian vessel or a planetary patrol vessel for the federation equivalent of a coast guard. It could take on your local riff-faff and be a major problem for those committing crime in federation territory.. Maybe something similar to the equivalent of a yacht.
Here's what I think.
The Oberths were or are likely a variant of a paramilitary ship that's meant for police forces or the space equivalent of a coast guard for the federation. Its perfect for dealing with shuttles, and small ships that a civilian would likely be using that's committing crimes. Perhaps is a capital ship for your local police or planetary coast guard forces and is extremely high tech compared to the hand me downs they get from Federation surplus.
Or. Its a civilian vessel that was designed from the ground up specifically for science and exploration only probably with some funding by the Federation government. Explaining why its not heavily armed, armored and why it can pop against anything with military grade firepower it was a civilian vessel that was likely to see some light military use likely very light guard duty or peaceful exploration and science missions..
For all we know there could be hundreds of Oberth's flying around federation space doing roles it was designed originally before from giving a idiot the equivalent of a parking ticket or speeding or needing to shuttle officers to quell a riot :P. To being simply being a ship that's sold to the public for the sole purpose of enjoyment exploring known space, seeing the sights. the equivalent of whale watching or safari expeditions or a persons personal yacht. These ships the Starfleet ones are basically the same overall design just with likely better engines, better shields (compared to civ models) Better weapons (compared to civ models) but inherits the majority of the flaws of the civilian model.
I was hoping you covered oberth
It had pink chairs!
I know, there is this TNG shot. I think it would make most sense to more or less disregard that and just work on the assumption that the pod is unmanned and interchangeable.
Our favorite joke on attack wing. Great crew cards aside; it’s awful.
Oooh a new one
Ngl this ship looks sweet.
they need to create a 25th century oberth class that is still a science vessel but is more tacticaly capable
Late to the party, but this class of ship were strictly a science vessel. Built like a wet paper back with no weapons to speak of. Should always have an escort with her or scrap the class all together and use the Miranda class as science vessels. At least they can somewhat protect themselves.
Perhaps the old Oberth hulls can be used as ERA, I picture a Sovereign Class up armored by being festooned with Oberths via the equivalent of 24th century duct tape😂😂😂
You should make a Tank chats Parody 😂
Oh believe me.. it needs to be very very fast.. and have powerful rear Shields
The oberth is like the De Havilland Twin Otter (UV-18) navy science and research aircraft.
Nether are meant for combat and both are for research.
It always bugs me that people mock the ship and the lives lost when destroyed.
Next time people go to make fun or mock the oberth replace it with the De Havilland real life navy science aircraft which has no defensive ability as well and question if they should mock it.
Tiny, inconvenient, way out of date, slow, cramped, half-hazardous, multi-purpose platform from a different century, which is not well suited for anything, but does everything. Like a Lada.
Half-hazardous? As in only partially hazardous (not too bad)? Do you mean haphazard?
Just like an IRL research vessel.
It is comparable with a civilian research ship/yacht.
They aren’t designed for large crews or dangerous situations, just research.
I think the Oberth gets a bad rap. If an attack sub showed up and torpedoed RV Petrel what do you suppose would happen? This thing isn’t a warship, it’s not meant to take a beating, and it’s not the Oberth’s fault if Starfleet insists on using it as though it were a Miranda.
War Canoe of the Federation
so thats what the secondary module is...
Could you do a commentary on why it seems that TOS was using relay computers in the 23rd century while ENT was using something like silicon transistors in the 22nd century? Also, I don't think relays are not fast enough for voice processing, which would present a problem for Kirk trying to activate the self-destruct sequence.
Would semiconductors survive all the ENORMOUS power surges which result in consoles EXPLODING.? Even today relays are still used for high powers...
@@esecallum Relays may be able to handle power surges better than nanometer-scale transistors, but I doubt that they're fast enough to process voice input. And in TOS, they appear to be the processing powerhouse of the ship's computer while in ENT, the processing powerhouse is some type of solid-state, semiconductor material (~100 years before TOS).
@@TimothyChapman THE RELAY COMPUTER ONLY DOES BASIC STUFF AUTOMATIC STUFF.. THE ADVANCED COMPUTERS ARE ISOLATED AND DO THE COMPLEX STUFF AND NOT ONLINE WHEN SHIP IS IN DANGER OR BEING ATTACKED.
@@TimothyChapman In the Enterprise: Romulan War novels, they have the fleet go back to simpler computer systems because they're less prone to remote hijacking, I recall.
@@chrissonofpear1384 Interesting.
As fun as it is to make fun of the Oberth, when it was doing what is was DESIGN TO DO, that being short to mid range non-combative R&D WITHIN Federation space, it did quite a good job at it.
If it wasn't pushed into roles it wasn't meant for, then I'd say it wouldn't be a bad posting. But given that the Federation frontlines everything they have, I'd rather be elsewhere. I imagine the Oberth was good for EWAC though
I love science-Spock.
Aka the target practice class. Or you honked off some Admiral class. Just outfit a Miranda with extra science labs if you want a research ship.
Not to sound like a hater. It saddens me we have had two brand new series 3-4 new movies with JJ and we’re still talking about the Oberth class.... e.g. I’d rather talk about Oberth then everything that’s come JJ lately.
i think its largely a problem of attitude from the showmakers. now they have the budget they feel like they shouldn't re-use ships which is a shame since some of the DISCO designs are really nice. equally when they want large numbers they just clone them like in PIC which is baffling since in previous episodes we saw tons of different designs.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 It feels like the first episodes of each series were the only ones with ship design budgets. Discovery blew theirs on a fleet from an earlier era(that didn't quite look like it belonged in that era) and then blew it up, then Picard just went and blew their fleet up as well. Discovery even managed to get a round 2 of new ship design for after the time skip and then they went and blew them all up again... Modern Star Trek writers really love just blowing up all their ships at once lately.... although it might explain the whole "The only ship in range" phenomenon if every time Starfleet built more than twenty ships they would all spontaneously cease to exist in some extravagant disaster.
For punishment you get assigned 3 weeks on an Oberth, patroling the Klingon border.
Now that's downright cruel
"For your insubordination you are going on a five da-cough cough-YEAR mission to explore the Gamma Quadrant."
@@KertaDrake now that's cruel and unusual punishment.
The only reason to have an oberth near a combat situation is if you are going to evacuate it & then let Worf remote pilot them Kamakazi into a borg cube while yelling RAMMING SPEED. Other wise you are committing murder & it shows you who the admirals at star fleet ops hate.
you do not really get a new station, they just flipped the one in star trek 1 upside down.
i mean't the earth spacedock in star trek 3
to paraphrase another YTber
"its made of explodium"
also i could imagine that the purpose why we see this ship at 001 was data gathering and maybe just MAYBE electronic warfare. a shame that this topic isnt really explored in the Franchise in general.
i mean it is desirable to hack/disrupt enemy systems while in combat. it diverts attention and manpower on the opposing vessel to something different and reducess total effectiveness of said vessel.
but hearing about all this, it reminds me that we also see GR-75s (star wars franchise) in large scale battles......the GR-75 isnt armed or armored at all.....
i do like the electronic warfare idea, makes it like the A-6 Prowler which is still going today even though the combat variant, the intruder. but that could be an interesting use especially against the borg.
I imagine some madman in the design department said "What happens if we use anti-duranium for hull plating?"
Why would they build a ship out of explodium?!
Maybe they are used as AWACS in space?
Oberth vs Miranda class 🤣
Wolf 359 they had one honestly I’m betting each admiral at star fleet command reassigned lot of staff they didn’t like to that ship
I bet even the people assigned to Oberths sent into combat were saying "At least I wasn't assigned to the Mars Defense Perimeter ships..."
I understand that its a science ship but why not shove the strongest shields you could in it. You can't do science if you are dead. It would also be better if it had the ability to go to warp quickly. Maybe its purpose was electronic warefare in combat idk.
I do like this class. I was a fan of that era of ships & TOS/Animated series. After TNG ,the Arrowhead was not for me.
These should just be moved to Civilian duty. They are slow but adequate for a small freighter or short to medium range transport vessel. Their endurance isn't that spectacular but adequate for civilian duty between federation star systems and outposts. The other thing they can do with the Oberth is give them away to various High Level federation diplomats and officials. Lwaxana Troi comes to mind. Imagine if she had her own ship and crew!? Mr. Homn would still be there of course.
Just imagine having to serve under a captain that never stops talking and knows what you're there for ahead of time and a first officer that won't say a thing no matter what you're approaching him for! Talk about a nightmare posting....
@@KertaDrake 🤣 you make a good point!!! I always wondered how she reacted when the jem’hadar beamed down to Betazed.
Really. As I see it. In hindsight the Oberth-Class was not a good ship design. Yet if you step back to a mindset of when it was built. It was using some cutting edge technology for the time and the ship was designed around using that technology for scientific purposes. As Starfleet puts exploration and Science before combat and defense...to the chagrin of those with far more common sense of matters of military but Starfleet has to follow the whims of the Federation and the pacifist politicians. So the Oberth was created to meet these needs and wants.
Have to keep in mind. Even in the real world. There are some crazy designs of ships, cars, tanks, planes, and all sorts of things. All because they were created as an experiment or trying to fit a nitch in some area or fix a problem.
The biggest example I can compare the Oberth-Class to is the M3 Lee (Grant) a World War 2 USA made Tank Destroyer. If you google a picture of the M3 Lee (Grant) right now. You can see it was an ugly tank. And yet it was designed and built to be a stop-gap measure for the war. As it carried a big gun and was lethal during the time against the Panzer. Though its biggest limitation. It was too tall and easy to spot. Plus the armor was not thick enough to take most anti-tank rounds. And it was a drain on manpower as you needed a crew of 8 to even have it full combat ready.
Though the Oberth-Class was not a stop-gap measure and was not built for war in mind. It still fits the area of: "if we throw something together and it works. We build it," Mentality.
have to say i have a real soft spot for the M3 Grant, we got it at a time where we were so desperate we would literally take ANYTHING! and im grateful we had it.
personally i don't think its a good comparison for the Oberth i think a more apt comparison would be with the early war british tanks; Matilda, ect. where there was doctrine and big picture behind it. it was just the wrong doctrine.
U.S.S. Lollipop...its a good ship. lol
I hear it's an especially sweet ride. Great for trips to obtain exotic candy!
And this be a gt 210
In star trek legacy, I took out a Proxima class with an Oberth by constantly flying in, unloading everything it had, then getting away and allowing the shields to regen.
This is the most underrated ship in star trek. The Oberth was a mobile lab and had many variants. It was a testbed for so many technologys but because it was used so often as fodder its seen as junk. Even despite this, it should be noted that we see the destruction of more galaxy class ships than Oberth ones on screen yet noone puts that in perspective.
Galaxy ships destroyed =Yamato, Odyseey, Enterprise-D, And Admeral Hanson's ship from Wolf 359
Oberith Ships Destroyed = Grissom, Rikers first ship (cant remember the name it cloaked), One in the background during the DS9 wolf 359 battle scene.
Lore Reloaded referred to this class as "an angry warcanoe." That's about right, I think. Despite, that, it is an interesting design and it certainly has a place in Starfleet.
I think that being in command of an Oberth wouldn't be all that bad. Your crew is small and easier to manage, you're still the commanding officer of a starship and the Admiralty isn't going to send you to handle anything dangerous.
No commander of an Oberth-class was ever sent to the front line of a war. That sounds like my kind of command post! LOL
Let's face it.. this class was built to be harmless and as such no one would bother shooting at it.... Unfortunately almost every species in the universe has an ample supply of sadists that cannot resist taking a dump on this junkwagon out on principle.. make it go away it offends me
I think that the oberth class is a cool looking ship, sure it does not make sense with the secondary hull and saucer being separate. I do think that the oberth is also one of the few ships like the odyssey class in star trek online which actually looks like it could perform saucer separation. it is defiantly the nova class of its era, being amazing at what it does but also suffering from being a bit too specialised like the fact that the nova class is a short range which hinders it in my opinion out ways its advantages. The oberth is good at what it does and is what Starfleet is meant to be, peaceful exploration. I think I would have preferred it if the oberth was just the secondary hull and nacelles but the saucer was interchangeable for a combat oriented saucer or a mining variant and we just happened to see the science variant, king of like the Miranda and nebula class, but that's just me.
The Oberth feels kind of like saucer separation was actually the main feature, considering how the pod looks like one of those interchangeable modules. If you need a fast get away, just drop everything below the nacelles and run!
I feel like half the missions the Enterprise was sent on in The Next Generation was saving an Oberth
Easy and cheap to build , most likely why they kept them
The "K-car" of the fleet....good in building them fast, and cheap...with a good engine, and advanced computers. But, facing the weather out there ( enemy ships ).....say goodbye to the life span of that type of a vessel.