A Royal Murder: Death at St James's Palace,1810
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In 1810, the fifth son of King George III, His Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland, was found severely injured, and his valet, Joseph Sellis, was found dead at St James's Palace. Sellis had attempted to murder the Duke and having failed, committed suicide, said the Duke. The Coroner's Inquest concurred - but few people in Britain, or at the Royal Court, believed this. Rumours of a homosexual triste abounded, of sexual jealousy, and there was a widespread belief that the valet had been killed to silence him... The press and caricaturists, found ways to insinuate that the Duke of Cumberland had murdered his valet - then in 1832, some 22 years after the murder, a libel was published, stating what was widely believed...
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How could anyone cut their own throat so deeply and still manage to lay both arms neatly by their sides before dying?!
Well those pesky commoners can do about anything!
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@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder a Friday night bedtime treat, God bless and your family Mark🙏
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" It's the same the whole world over,
It's the poor what gets the blame,
It's the rich what gets the pleasure,
Isn't it a blooming shame?" Anon.
It beggars belief that Sellis or any man be able to cut his own throat to commit suicide, with a barber's razor so deeply it almost severs his head .
It's pretty impossible to maintain the necessary force all the way through I think, unless one is intoxicated with a psychostimulant.
I don't agree with y'all. I even tried it to test my theory and it worked. Now I have to go clean up the blood and then get my head sewn back on😅😂😅
@@moondancer4660 Let us know how it goes, lol
According to an internet search- it’s extremely rare form of suicide.
@@moondancer4660 your comment reveals you have no head nor brain within it
These "suicide" claims, upheld by courts, are so odd it makes one wonder who is hiding whom or what. As always, a truly fascinating story.
Thank you for covering this case. I have heard parts of it but never such an in-depth analysis. We will never know the full truth of the events of that night. I can say with all assuredly that Joseph Sellis was murdered. To think it was suicide is ludicrous. It is said his spirit still wanders St. James's Palace. God rest his soul and may he find, finally, some well-deserved peace.
Many thanks - glad you liked it.
It's always a good day when you upload a new video 😀
Thank you, Mattie!
I like how you laid out all the objections the public surely had about the duke's version of events. When you described how the duke was supposedly attacked with a saber, my reaction--and I'm no expert on swords--was "how the heck could he survive that?"
I honestly think that Neale was the main killer and the Duke cover for him.. Neale probably told the Duke about the murder and the Duke told him to do some superficial wounds to him and then say that he was attacked.. and i believe that it was because the Duke and Neale were having a secret relationship that was seem abominable at that time..
Some of the highest quality story telling on the Internet. Well done once again, sir.
Excellent, as always. Good to see that time have changed, and those with money and power now can be held accountable for their crim.... wait, hang on... ermm
Thank you, Richard - indeed!
Oh, but I do like just a soupçon of royal wickedness. This was just superb, Mark. Have now both your books and love the 1st. The 2nd will be, I’m convinced, just as good if not better. Thank you for all your research to bring us these wonderful videos and long May you continue and bring us the authorship, too.
Thank you very much indeed, Sue - I do hope you will enjoy the second too!
It sounds like all three were rather unprepossessing men.
The notion that Sellis actually trued to kill himself by nearly severing his own head then thrown the razor several feet away. It’s absurd.
This reminds me of the Blackadder episode where Blackadder tries to run Baldrick as the candidate of the rotten borough after the other candidate had “very sadly, accidentally brutally cut his head off while combing his hair” and then Blackadder announces the he has stepped in as Returning Officer after the usual Returning Officer “accidentally brutally stabbed himself in the stomach while shaving”.
I would also point out that royal servants throughout time have likely had side-scams like cheating them over toothpicks or the like.
How lovely to come back from visiting the Yorkshire Christmas Markets to find a new They Got Away With Murder waiting. Thank you Mark for providing another case. In my opinion it was the Duke of Cumberland who committed the murder, with help from Neale, but as usual the law was on the side of the rich. 💚✌️
I can’t begin to express how much joy I felt upon discovering today you’d uploaded another historic crime story. The timbre of your diction is nonpareil.
Another brilliant case study, superbly researched and presented. You can see why I would think you were a colleague. Rarely, even at the appeal court level, have I witnessed such a perfect marriage of logic and eloquence. Mark, I am at a loss for superlatives sufficient to encompass your astonishing talent. You may know that I have been a channel member since the very start of your venture here and now that you've graced us with your short stories, I look forward to each new post with eager anticipation. A towering talent indeed. Very well done, as usual. Exemplary work.
What a lovely comment, Annie! I am delighted that you have been on the channel since the beginning, too - I recall having something like about 35 subscribers for the first year, and thinking I was doing quite well... Then one day I logged on and noticed I had only 34 - someone had dropped out!! Obviously it wasn't you! Again many thanks for your wonderful comments and enduring support - it is greatly appreciated. :)
I can listen to him for hours on end and I often do he’s a awesome story teller and needs more recognition he’s got great talents!
Excellent! This is chock full of fascinating historical detail and devious shenanigans! I'm going to have to watch/listen several times, I think, due to the intricacies of the layout and possibilities. Which is fine by me because I really enjoy these. Interesting that the first portrait of the Duke tactfully shows as little of his left eye as possible (the one injured in war), but still shows an oddity about it, but a much later portrait towards the end of the vid, when the Duke is older is full front and shows no oddity. Presumably the artist was instructed to do this. Great case and I'm looking forward to rewatching this again (and again!) Thanks so much, as ever for your dedication and hard work to bring us these cases. Lucky us! xx 😃
Thank you very much, Mel - yes, there is one drawing showing him on a left profile, which is rather cruel. I think it was done by one of his detractors - he had many! :)
What a fascinating tale! Expertly composed and narrated as always. I have always given toothpick fiddlers a very wide berth, fortunately.
I just want you to know how much I enjoy your channel! When I'm notified of a new upload, I can't wait to watch it. Afterwards, I add it to my nighttime playlist. I have difficulty sleeping but your voice is so calming, it helps me unwind and relax so I can, at the very least, get some rest. I get a well-researched true crime story and a soothing voice to help me relax and maybe sleep. As a true crime junkie and someone with health issues that make it difficult to sleep, it's a win/win for me!!! I truly appreciate the time and effort you put into each video. In my opinion, your channel is one of the best true crime channels on UA-cam. I also enjoy your writing and look forward to reading your latest book. Best wishes on your latest endeavor!
Thank you very much - I am delighted you like the stories, and hope you will enjoy the books too! All the best.
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Hmmm…royalty saved from prison because, why? they are royalty!
Congratulations on your books that is a fine achievement *Mark* & featuring your own artwork makes it even more. Also, I like the new darker cover color
Many thanks indeed!
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My eyes go wide, as I smile and then "Oh, oh, oh yes! This 😍" as I clicked the link.
Fantastic timing, dear Storyteller ❤🎉
Yes! Just seen this new addition! Thank you, Mark! Morning plans just totally upended til I’ve watched this - several times! A lot of exclamations - but just how it feels to get another of your magnificent posts! (Coffee on its way😊)
Thank you very much, Margaret - and thank you for the coffee! Don't worry about the exclamations - I have something of an addiction to them myself, and console myself that there are worse vices to possess! :)
My grandfather's brother killed himself with a straight razor. My grandfather was visiting him in the hospital & he sent him on a 15 minute errand. When he returned he had cut his own throat with his straight razor & was already dead but he didn't almost decapitate himself. Just one slice in the right place. Why he did it is still a family mystery but i suspect my grandfather knew why. I never had the chance to ask him, he was born in 1868 & i was a year old when he died. My sister & i always listened with rapt attention to my dad when he told the stories passed down to him. Not all the stories were so bleak lol.
A puzzling story, with your usual wonderful narration and insights. King George must have had much anxiety about his children!
Thank you - yes, indeed he did!
I ordered volume 2 before I listen to this story, I'm so happy to support such a great self published author. Forever a Fan!!
Your voice is made for audio, I hope you make your books on audible soon. I’m sure your sales will soar.
Well, I'll plump for Duke & Neale, in cahoots. I think Neale probably did the kill, aided by Duke, simply because insanely rich folk don't do anything unpleasant that they can get an underling to do for them. Like empty chamber pots for example. As Sellis was agitating for transportation for life for Neale, Neale would have been well-motivated for the task. The fact that the Duke didn't punish Neale for stealing and joined in with the cunning plan, shows that the Duke & Neale had a closer relationship than would normally be expected of master and servant. Sellis was a nuisance (maybe even a blackmailer?) and they got rid of him. I rest my case, m'Lud. A truly intriguing case which entertained my mind for quite a few days - thanks Mark! :)
PS. I think the saber was used to semi-decapitate Sellis, and the razor for the superficial wounds to the Duke. It's most peculiar that the Duke suffered cuts to his legs. Who aims at the legs with a saber? If his legs had been hacked by a razor-sharp military saber, it would have cut to the bone and the Duke wouldn't have been walking around raising the alarm. And would not have been recovered so soon - in fact it's likely that he would never regain the ability to walk etc with the arteries, veins, nerves, ligaments and muscles cut to the bone... the loss of blood...
Had a Two Ronnies moment: You said ''over 50 toothpicks', but I first heard it as 'over 52-6', as in 52 shillings and sixpence!
It also reminded me of black adder selling prince George's socks... ❤
Sellis probably had more grounds against Neil but due to his position he couldn't write them down. The letter has more of a "if you want an excuse to fire the guy, we can prove this minor offense" feel to it. People with large crimes in public positions are often fired over small, easy to prove, petty stuff.
Dear Mark,
An unexpected and delightful treat to add to the list of things for which i'm thankful this Thanksgiving day !:-)
Thank you very much, Barry - I had forgotten it was Thanksgiving Day in N. America, but I had a nagging feeling I was missing something all day!
Congratulations on the book🎉, I look forward to getting a Kindle version. Thank you for the two amazing channels and your books. Happiest of holidays from Kenya 🇰🇪.
Thank you so much - I hope you will enjoy it, and very best wishes to you in Kenya!
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I love this channel. As an American these are stories I’ve not heard before. Always a great distraction from the crazy going on around here. 😂 ♥️ Love history and true crime from times long gone. Always happy to see a new upload!
I am delighted you like them, Liza - thank you!
Forced myself from a turkey and pumpkin pie torpor to enjoy your latest masterpiece. Happy Thanksgiving!🦃
Ah - I know that feeling of repletion very well! Thank you - and Happy Thanksgiving!
Mark--masterful storytelling. I prefer the buggery theory. There was a lot of violence involved for this to have been an altercation over toothpicks. There was no follow-
through because the whole episode involved a royal. No one wanted to do the analysis you've done. Favorite drawings: propped up drawing of Sellas' corpse on the bed and the chambermaid discovering the gun.
Yippee, cup of coffee and Mr. McGuire for another great story. 👍👏🏻❤️
Hope you enjoy it, Janette - thank you!
This was already blessed Thanksgiving day, than I received a notification, from no one other than the Maestro. Speaking of icing on the cake, brave Maestro, bravo. Worth the wait please keep them coming. This was also intriguing and captivating. Great job Sir. I also own the first book, time to order the 2nd one.
It makes perfect sense that Sellis was lying in wait for his “Aha!” moment, to catch the Duke and Neale in the act -only to be overcome by the pair and permanently silenced. Thank you for a great tale, expertly told! Best regards from the US.
As always wonderful presentation, I shall be purchasing your books for my wife's birthday (secretly for me) but I may respectfully suggest a future chapter, I'm convinced her cat is quietly plotting my demise!
You published two books! Where have I been!!! That's fantastic, Mark! Congratulations and we shall all have to go out and get one! I love your channel! And, I love your short stories! Many thanks for all the work you have done to enthrall us with excitement! My best wishes from across the pond!
Sellis seemed like a good man so i feel sonsirrybfor his children and wife that they lost him in this horrible way.
Happy belated Thanksgiving, Mark, and all his fans.
Another royal murder. That crown comes with some heavy baggage.
Happy Thanksgiving to you also, Robert!
Perfect ending to a hectic Thanksgiving here in Tennessee.
Happy Thanksgiving to you in Tennessee - the best of times always seem to be the busiest and most stressful too!
Your work is superb Sir.
What a great way to end my thanksgiving celebration! Tea, pie, and Mr. Maquire.
Ah - thank you very much, Richane. That last bit nearly rhymes!
Is Sellis's obsession with Neale's thievery so absurd? Maybe not, if you consider that he himself had been accused of theft when in NY and if that accusation was false. It might make him more sensitive to preserve his own reputation and increase his sense of justice.
Agreed
Good point. Also although the amounts seem insignificant by today's standards, Sellis accuses him of charging 50% more... for example charging £150 for something that cost £100... that's a big mark up. (btw, there were 12 pennies in a shilling).
I was just speaking about you and your videos. I am so happy to get to watch a new one!
Mark, this was brilliantly presented as always. Let me suggest an alternative explanation.
So we have two main theories: (a) Sellers quarrled with the Duke over Neal, it escalated into violence, Sellers was murdered with the sword. But if Sellers had attacked the Duke, say with the poker, wouldn't his killing have been justifiable? Why cover up? (b) Sellers caught the,Duke and Neal in flagrante. He was murdered to cover this up. But would murder have been necessary? I owed 2 career promotions to catching superiors in flagrante. The combination of alertness and discretion was regarded as praiseworthy. Couldn't a valet be bribed cheaply as opposed to murdered at a high risk premium?
What if Sellers and the Duke were romantically coupled? This would explain Sellers' obsessive antipathy to Neal. Sellers would be protective & jealous.
The emotional intensity would explain the otherwise inexplicable escalation. And the escalation would have led the Duke to question whether Sellers could in fact be controlled through bribery or otherwise. In such a case, murder might be the prudent choice.
As Rod Serling would say, submitted for your approval..
Agreed. Everyone at the time seems to have believed this to be the truth and presumably the gossips would have had knowledge of far more information than we can access today.
Thank you, Robert - I can't fault what you say... As the Cheltenham Chronicle pointed out at the time - only jealousy seemed to be sufficient as a motive to warrant such violence. It certainly would explain why Sellis was hiding in the inconvenient closet, rather than simply going to the Duke's chamber via the ballroom: he wanted to observe... It does seem redolent of extreme jealousy, yes!
Thanks for posting! I have never heard of this case before.
An excellent bit of history on the Royal Family of 1810. I enjoyed it immensely. 😊
The Duke killed Sellis. No one can cut off their own head and only the Duke had blood on him and in his room.
I find it strange that the Duke during the struggle didn't identify Sellis, surely he would have done so even in restricted light?
I think you are absolutely magnificent, you are a Wonderful story teller!! I love you're voice n love listening to you tell you're stories, Thank you for all you're hard work to bring us hour's of delight, God bless ❤ 🙏
I look forward to your storytelling every month. Thank you for sharing yet another fascinating case!
I wonder why Sellis was sleeping in the royal quarters that night in the first place? Was that explained? Apparently he wouldn't normally have been there, but this night he was. If the duke or the other valet instigated this change, then wouldn't that mean Sellis's death was a calculated and planned murder rather than one done because he had discovered the duke up to illegal shenanigans or because someone had lost their temper? On the other hand, if the change in routine was because Sellis himself had decided to sleep there then this would indicate that he might have been trying to trap the other courtier in something. Maybe I missed the explanation in amongst everything else that was explained in this thoughtful and intelligent account.
Another very enjoyable story Mark Thank you
Thank you so much, I listen every night over and over again such an amazing voice.
I find peace listening to your stories, such a relaxing and peaceful place to be .
Long may you continue writing and telling your story.
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Thank you Mark for another erudite and fascinating story. I had never heard of this incident; however, the Duke of Cumberland does seem to be a very jinxed title - I’m thinking of “Butcher Cumberland” of Culloden infamy a few decades earlier. Thoroughly enjoyable. Best wishes.
Mark, the advantage of being in my dotage and possessed of a rotten memory is that when the mysterious AI popped this essay onto my old laptop on return from a walk that I thoroughly enjoyed it for a second time! Due to a weak memory I have the advantage of both enjoying your superb and entertaining essays again, but also saving on novels as I can reread them because I have forgotten the denouement! Lol! I agree that it have been the Duke either due anger against a servant with a grudge or a suspected homosexual liaison between the Duke and another servant. But hey ho, whatever it allowed you to deliver another gripping essay. Thank you. And in response to your preceding plug, I will certainly buy one of your books! Rob
Thank you, Rob - I see the advantage of forgetting my favourite things, certainly!
Hi Mark, just playing catch up with your stories! Very relaxing. I was appointed Director of Music last month, so things have been pretty manic, especially with the time of year! Hope all is well with you and your loved ones!
Congratulations, Jayne. Need any more sopranos? 😁
Hi Elizabeth, have just listened to you singing Panis Angelicus, beautiful voice, I think you are a Soloist, not a Choir Member!
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Please make it audio so I can purchase it. .. Thank you so much for another outstanding video.
Thank you!
I really enjoy the pictures you make for us. They add a lot to the storytelling of the cases you present. No pun intended but they do help to "paint a picture" about the cases you share.
Perfect way to settle down after being with my loud family all day for Thanksgiving!
Many thanks, Kim!
Your tales never disappoint! Thank you.
Your artwork is outstanding! Wow, you are so talented! Well done, you!
Congrats on the second book. 👍🏻
As ever greatly researched and objectively presented, and good luck with the next volume of your series
Many thanks indeed, Declan!
Mr Maguire. Thank you 😊 always appreciated
Im only 3 minutes in but I'm currently obsessing on you being a frequent visitor to King Charles when he was PoW! You can't just drop that casually into conversation!
Oh in a very small way, I assure you! I do have some photos of myself with him, though, which I must put up on my wall and say "A photo of the King and I..." !!!
I'm reading 'The Murder of Madame X' at the moment. Looking forward to getting the new book.
I love to listen to you and watch your videos.
I'm glad you like them - thank you, Jeni!
Thank you for another story excellently told. I'm now off to write a letter to Santa requesting your new book.
Narration with style and with a real sense of suspense, fabulous
Very many thanks, Chris.
Thanks once more foŕ a thought provoking case. I am looking forward to getting copies of Volumes 1 and 2, to add to the Maguire section of my bookshelf. 😊
L'dOL 🙃 when you 1st said homosexual......& then I knew what happened.....but cannot prove 🙃....... Thank you very much for sharing. 👍 Your voice is perfect for telling stories. 👍..........I never listen to you when laying down, cause I know I'll fall asleep. tu 🌻🌸
Excellent and brilliantly told, well researched and very well illustrated. As always in your documentaries, here too there is a strong conclusion supported by convincing arguments., Mark! Of course, the motivation in this case was jealousy. It is said by psychologists jealousy is to be defined by hurt, anger, and fear. Hurt follows the perception that our partner may not value us enough to honour their commitment to the relationship, and the prospects of losing the relationship arouse fear and anxiety. Consequent anger may even turn to violence, which can, in some cases, be fatal. As happened in this case. I honestly feel so bad for Joseph Sellis.
Thank you very much, Madonna - so glad you enjoyed it!
Love your artwork ❤
Many thanks!
Greetings from the US. I am watching this for the second time and very much enjoy your talent for storytelling and original illustrations. I also wanted to mention, for what it is worth, that although the volume of the main story narration is excellent, I do have trouble hearing the introductory part each time whether I am watching on my laptop or my phone. At any rate, I always look forward to your next upload so keep up the fine work. Many thanks and Happy Holidays to you and yours.
My English grandmother was still racist towards Italians in the 1970s. Speaking as her Italian granddaughter.
Yes - it is quite jarring to read the kind of comments which were routine in the newspapers 200 years ago! I think we are subtler these days, but I am not certain how far we have advanced...
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I agree, we are more careful to be more subtle about racism today in 2024, but it seems as long as humans are in existence, there will remain the need for exposure, tolerance, and acceptance of diversity. It's only when we know and care for each other that things change for the better. My Grandpa was horribly teased and bullied in school (by the predominantly, Swedish kids) for being of Norwegian decent in the early 1900's in Wisconsin. Then I come along as his only grandchild and of bi-racial descent, (who he loved with all his heart!) Hopefully, we evolve through the generations. But not always and not as fast as we'd like.
Ohhhhhhh! When my Irish/Pennsylvania Dutch grandmother found out I was marrying an “I-TALIAN”, she like had a mini nervous breakdown! That was in 1973! Hate still exists.....that’s why we pray every day, for The Lord Jesus to soften the hearts of people, sothey will see differences are lovely and interesting and so very cool! You pray too, please? TYSM! Prayer changes things!
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@@TheyGotAwayWithMurder In America, the ugliness exhibited toward dissidents - especially black conservatives - has moved beyond subtle!
My Polish grandparents were racist against Italians and my Italian grandparents were racist toward the Polish! 😂 I got it from BOTH sides growing up! That’s so crazy to think about today, huh?
It wasn’t the first time Royals and Nobles were protected by the judiciary and government, and it wasn’t the last. These days people are condemned (cancelled) by mere accusation and rumour. It’s happening now to our RF, by one of their OWN and his cohorts. As much as I despise the perpetrators, it does seem “what goes around, comes around”, even if it’s a couple of centuries later.
Some people are condemned (cancelled) by mere rumour or for using naughty words, other people, abominable to the highest degree, like Sir James Saville, are above the law, protected until the last day of their life.
Yes it seems unlikely that Sellis could have decapitated himself with the razor. Interesting account of what might have happened that night, thank you!
Wonderful to see you , Professor Maguire 🎉.
Thank you! 😃
Oh, terrific!! Thank you, Mark!! These are so excellent; every time a new one lands, I can't help but watch more!
Lovely - thank you so much!
Glad to report I did buy both books😊
This is the perfect way to end a wonderful day ☺️💜.... Happy Thanksgiving to everyone 🦃.....
I am glad you think so - Happy Thanksgiving!
Very interesting story, well told as always 😊
Glad you enjoyed it - thank you, Amanda!
Thank you!!!!!!!❣
Thank you for an excellent video. Have you considered publishing these as audio books as well as in hardcopy?
Many thanks, Keith - it is all a matter of time, really! I'd love to do that, but everything seems to take up so much time - I actually recorded the audio for this twice, I was so dissatisfied with my first attempt! I seem to do everything twice at least. I fear if I went down another rabbit-hole of audio books, I would never find my way out!
I just don't believe that you could do anything that was not tasteful.
You're very kind - thank you!
Thank you for this intriguing story. They so obviously "got away with murder." I wonder how this affected his childrens' lives? I love your voice and easy accent.
They got kicked out of palace and moved up north of the country. His daughter Charlotte Sellis is my 5th Great Grandmother
What a great Thanksgiving Day surprise!
Thanks for another excellent video, just ordered your text book, can't wait to read, did the first one in one sitting!!
Thank you very much - that is wonderful! I hope you enjoy this one as much as the first. :)
Love your first book about to order 2nd , love your channel mark ❤❤
Thank you very much, Brenda - I do hope the second one will live up to expectations also! All the best. :)
Excellent. Thank you Mark. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it, Micky - thank you!
Thank you Mark, you've made my day!
Reminds me a bit of a famous case in 19th century Belgium that shook high society, when count Hippolyte Visart de Bury et Bocarmé was charged with poisoning his brother in law.
Yes a great case and happy for your books. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you, Sally.
Mark, hi! Hope you're safe and well 😊 Ready for the holidays? Thank you as always for your incredible work and storytelling ❤
Thank you very much, Tracy - never ready for anything, always a beat behind, I'm afraid! I am well though - and hope you are also.
@@TheyGotAwayWithMurderThis year, I am not at all ready 😂 But I'll get there!