I watched the old battlestar galactica during the 70's and have to say Ron Moore produced an absolute masterpiece compared to the original. I really believe that BSG in its scope and depth goes beyond the simple tv sci-fi series and is more akin to an epic novel. I would even go as far as to say BSG is better than star wars and other main-stream movie offerings, what gem. !
very well said and agree with a lot of that. It's more human than any of the other SciFi series. Everyone can relate with at least one character in Ron's BSG and compare their own life to it in one way or another.
@@williammay5300 I agree 💯 with you Sir 😇👍 RDM BSG is NOT Battlestar Galactica (despite the title!) and is grossly overrated! The Original Battlestar Galactica is THE One and Only! 👌✌️💪👏🤩😎
When I think of how TV shows finally wrap up their story arcs they often feel quite lame or rushed But I think BSG had a very satisfying conclusion, it had a real sense of closure for the characters.
my general theory is that game of thrones wouldn't be possible without BSG. It showed that genre fiction with sex, violence, politics, and twists are not only possible, but can thrive and be lauded
Watching DVD ENTENDED VERSION of Unfinished Business with commentary and it is so interesting and informative! Great job! Super episode! The president and admiral parts are the best, the whole episode is absolutely a superb piece of humanity at its best and worst! A++++ all the way!
Battle Star Galactica was an amazing show that was extremely well written and produced. The one exception was the story ending with the very last episode that left me with an empty feeling. The story ending left me feeling betrayed and very much disappointed.
I just want to know whats the meaning of Baltars last line when he says "silly me...silly me" maybe it's obvious for some folks but that went completely over my head I have no idea what he meant by that
He doesn't like that name. What's his name then??? I thought the same thing. I've watched it 3 times all the way through, am I dumb or did I miss something?
I always thought that he had meant that God doesn't like to be called by a name that is, in his view, overly simplistic. It's a human term for an ineffable being... So one can assume the ineffable being would protest to being labelled by the limited imagination of its creation
I will never not be passionate about Battlestar. It's on the same level as Star Wars and Star Trek in my eyes. Make season 2 of Caprica! I want more battlestar, especially if it's not necessarily the same characters and story, or even the same point in the timeline. There's so much history to that universe that deserves exploring. Show us Imperial Virgon. I want to see the bioluminescent plants.
I’m more of a fan of the original series but I appreciate both shows for what they are individually. I liked Ron Moore’s take on the BSG source material where he crafted something new and different while at the same time showing respect to the original by incorporating elements of the original (ship designs, original Cylon designs, theme music, character names) into the universe he was creating. There was always that respect for the past while forging a new path. Most reboots now have total disrespect and often make fun of the original series or completely ignore the series they are based on. Moore’s take was different and I appreciate his decision to do that. I liked the casts of both shows and I still think that at the time new Galactica came out its cast and the cast of the West Wing were two of the best casts on TV. I also appreciate the reboot’s cautionary tale about our over dependence on technology. I think though that the best way to do a movie version is to write it as a trilogy and return to the original storyline involving the Cylons as an alien species long at war with the Colonies. I think you can explore some things with that but to me for a cinematic story having an alien big bad is the way to go. That said I just hope the third version of Galactica does both its predecessors justice and doesn’t make a shambles of it.
I think if they try to reboot anything it should be the web series "BSG: Blood and Steel". This was the first Cylon war and a young Adama. It had potential, but the PTB shut it down. Too bad, I think it would have made a great prequel.
I always found something odd about the acting in bsg. I dont know if i want to blame the actors or the writing. Some good concepts but they were stretched so thin and repeated so much. And ultimately liked it at the time to stick with it as i binge watched it but did not love it looking back.
The problem is that once a series is a hit - they try and drag it out as loooong as possible, with diminishing quality. Thank god Game of Thrones was an almost complete story arc before they started filming
GoT isn't worthy of being mentioned in the same conversation as Moore's BG. The former is just a schlocky story that repeats the same "hold my beer" take on itself, constantly outdoing its own base standards of shock-horror violence with no real message. Once it is over it will quickly fade. By contrast, Moore's BG will be studied for decades to come as a piece of art that captured the mood of its time.
@@j4kelc Hahahaahah - dear god yes. Weirdly though; they went the other direction - trying to bring it all to a close as soon quickly as possible once they ran out of books/detailed notes. Season 7&8 especially seemed rushed & looked like the product of two kids playing with their action figures.
Just rewatching the series. Still utterly mind-blowing. The sheer power of the ideas, dialogue and acting remains without peer in sci-fi. Cannot believe people are still clinging to the original series - it was GARBAGE, people, get over it.
I think if they reboot they need to go in the opposite direction and make a more modern version of the original series. You could still have a seriousness of the destruction of the colonies and near extinction of the human race but have it more as background detail. You could even bring back the original details like yahrens and centons and other unique concepts. It shouldn't be a carbon copy of the original but more taking those space opera components and treating them seriously.
Why on earth would anyone think the original series is worth reviving? I remember watching it in the 70s and while it was different seeing something like that on TV, even adolescent me recognized it was ultimately light-weight fluff. The original was derivative junk; the reboot was and is art.
Saying, "god did it" made all t mysteries previously set up entirely pointless and moot. And driving all their tech into t sun and embracing luddism made all t previous struggles to improve their situation similarly pointless and moot. Also , I think, t show demonstrated a lack of clear understanding of genetics, anthropology, and Lucy. Tho I know I don't understand all that too well myself. So I'm not entirely sure on all that myself.
Since I was a kid in the 70s, I wanted to fix the glaring flaws in the plot. The original battle I imagine to be like a parade of aircraft carriers in the sights of a uboat Wolfpack. Where are your fraken destroyers?!
The main thing for me is that the series is like a superlong SFmovie with a beginning, middle and a end. It keeps you on the edge of your seat till the end. That is were it succeeded. Four seasons is a bit short though wish that it were like seven seasons. I do not believe that the magic of the show can be emulated. Nor do i believe it will have like a Star Trek future with successful followup series. I watched the series in 2004 or so. Since then i rewatched it several times on blu-ray..still enjoy it after 16 years.
Michael Swärdh One of the greatest endings to a show ever. If you can’t appreciate the poetry of it, that’s on you. Some stories don’t have a clear cut conclusion. Look at sopranos for example
@@mdlsvensson there was no poetry... I saw behind the scene when the finale aired the writer/creator didn't have any clue how to end it....so he decided that he's going to write about the characters rather than the storyline properly.
I grew up on Sci-fi, 1980s to present. So I am somewhat old-school sci-fi. The reboot of Battlestar Galactica is the most epic sci-fi series ever. I put it above all series and movies. From Star-Wars to Star Trek to whatever. This series is the most epic ever. EVER!
I still get moved by the ending, after so many watches. Ending a TV show is very difficult especially done well so that the fact that they wrapped everything up in such a way is a minor miracle
I was a diehard BSG fan back during the Bush/Cheney era and loved its conflicted characters and excrutiating drama. But that atrocious finale is something that I, and the vast majority of fans I've discussed it with, will never "get it more". The way it squandered so many of the main characters and trivialized the Cylons' so-called "plan" made a saccharine mockery of the series and ruined its rewatchability for me. You know what would be an awesome new reboot? Recast the main characters with their original actors and resume the story on Nuked Earth, right after the settlers and Cylons rendevous there. Just retcon that entire demoralizing last half-season into oblivion!
I liked the series finale but I can’t help but think of all the people in the fleet who had been waiting for years to, for example, take a long hot shower, and then being told that it had been decided to do away with all their technology and fly the fleet into the Sun. “Wait...we’re going to do *what*??” Then there’s the issue of all the diseases on Earth they’d be susceptible to. And the list goes on.
I disagree, the series is one of the best written shows that has been on TV. The ending was perfect as it closed the story arc in a loop. "It has all happened before and it will all happen again"
So part of the agreement of Ron Moore taking over the series, the original creator made certain demands. Glen A Larson required the new series to have a religious aspect, and have certain elements. It was actually written into the contract. It's unfortunate Larson put those demands in. Ending would have been a lot more coherent.
I really didnt like the ending. The idea that they ditched all of their technology is lame and the question remains: how come human civilization still took 150,00 years to get to the "modern" era even though they had all that knowledge??
There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike elements of the ending, particularly the divine intervention aspect. On the whole though, i thought the ending was brilliant because ultimately this was a story about characters not "god" and they wrapped their story arcs so well and complete.
The ending was lazy and disappointing. I wish that they would not have rushed the ending and answered some of the questions and not create more questions.
True. As far as I'm ok with ending's message ("man creates robots" cycle), I don't like how it was served at the end. If I would have wanted another show with space wizards and ghosts I would have watched Star Wars again. BSG started as pretty hard sci-fi, but ended like "Touched by an Angel" in space.
I thought the ending was great. I agree with Ron Moore. Everything let up to the conclusion there wasn't a jarring surprise or feeling of disconnection or betrayal. The cycle continues, or does it? A perfect way to end the show in my opinion.
The ending was and is perfect. It is one of the few series that actually ended with closure. No more story to tell and that is what people can't come to grips with.
He wasn't BSG's creator, Glen Larson was. Moore took the material, abused and blurred it almost beyond recognition, and slapped his name on it. If they had named it something else, it would have been better for all.
Amen that fellow (Original) Galactican 💯😇😎👏👍 Ron Moore should have made an entirely different IP franchise altogether! And it is annoying as well as wholly disrespectful to Larson how Moore's concoction gets all the praise and recognition (+ spinoffs etc! 🙄🤪) that the Original Galactica should have had but never did! 😡☹️😤👎👎
"Exploring different ways of doing the medium?" Copying what others were doing is more like it. The first two seasons were pretty good but after that it sucked badly. The soap-opera aspect of the rest of the show ruined it for me. Too many other shows were doing the same thing.
The Ending should have been that they discover Kobal is just one on 25 colonies of man and that 10,000 years ago humans reached out all over the galaxy and then they get to within Sol system and are assimilated by the Borg humans have become them
Just finished it. Season 3-4 were pretty bad and should have been combined into 1 season. The first half of the show + miniseries were amazing though. Decent ending to a great show overall
Ron Moore's BSG was like capturing lightning in a bottle. Every part of the show contributed to the CLASSIC that it has become.
SO SAY WE ALL.
...and now its being rebooted
Ronald D. Moore's reboot is straight garbage 🗑
I remember when the 'SyFy Channel' was called the "SciFi Channel'
Life-Row-Toll That is when they great!, not so much now.
@@robertholmes7912 the expanse was/Is great
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I watched the old battlestar galactica during the 70's and have to say Ron Moore produced an absolute masterpiece compared to the original. I really believe that BSG in its scope and depth goes beyond the simple tv sci-fi series and is more akin to an epic novel. I would even go as far as to say BSG is better than star wars and other main-stream movie offerings, what gem. !
very well said and agree with a lot of that. It's more human than any of the other SciFi series. Everyone can relate with at least one character in Ron's BSG and compare their own life to it in one way or another.
Joseph Cornett So Say We All 👍👍👍👍👍
@@sky173 as a life long Trekkie I recently watched bag and I prefer it to star Trek
A masterpiece of garbage 🗑
@@williammay5300 I agree 💯 with you Sir 😇👍 RDM BSG is NOT Battlestar Galactica (despite the title!) and is grossly overrated! The Original Battlestar Galactica is THE One and Only! 👌✌️💪👏🤩😎
Battlestar Galactica is my favorite show of all time iv seen the hole thing 4 times and will probably watch it a few more
When I think of how TV shows finally wrap up their story arcs they often feel quite lame or rushed But I think BSG had a very satisfying conclusion, it had a real sense of closure for the characters.
Arguably one of the best endings to a TV series in the history of television
Can you explain it? Why did Kara vanish? Why did the evil cylon kill himself? How is Gaius alive after thousands of years?
@@grog3514 That Gaius was whatever the Caprica Six was.
The finale of "Caprica" was super rushed....
my general theory is that game of thrones wouldn't be possible without BSG. It showed that genre fiction with sex, violence, politics, and twists are not only possible, but can thrive and be lauded
Watching DVD ENTENDED VERSION of Unfinished Business with commentary and it is so interesting and informative! Great job! Super episode! The president and admiral parts are the best, the whole episode is absolutely a superb piece of humanity at its best and worst! A++++ all the way!
Battle Star Galactica was an amazing show that was extremely well written and produced. The one exception was the story ending with the very last episode that left me with an empty feeling. The story ending left me feeling betrayed and very much disappointed.
A possible BSG reboot? Well...it has happened before and it will happen again?
The BSG reboot and caprica are always on my playstation vita
Moore’s version of BSG is Legendary!!
Legendary garbage 🗑
I just want to know whats the meaning of Baltars last line when he says "silly me...silly me" maybe it's obvious for some folks but that went completely over my head I have no idea what he meant by that
He doesn't like that name. What's his name then??? I thought the same thing. I've watched it 3 times all the way through, am I dumb or did I miss something?
The two at the very end were the two angels that pestered Baltar and Caprica 6
I always thought that he had meant that God doesn't like to be called by a name that is, in his view, overly simplistic.
It's a human term for an ineffable being... So one can assume the ineffable being would protest to being labelled by the limited imagination of its creation
Ron Moore didn't create "BSG". Glen Larson was the series creator.
Exactly 💯😇😎👏👌👍 Proving how little RDM BSG fans actually know about Battlestar Galactica (THE Original Glen A Larson Classic)! 🤔😬😡🙄👎👎
Yes, but he is the series creator of this iteration. Which is what is intended when he is called a series creator. It's a title in the production.
I will never not be passionate about Battlestar. It's on the same level as Star Wars and Star Trek in my eyes. Make season 2 of Caprica! I want more battlestar, especially if it's not necessarily the same characters and story, or even the same point in the timeline. There's so much history to that universe that deserves exploring. Show us Imperial Virgon. I want to see the bioluminescent plants.
I love BSG and caprica, season 2 would be awesome
Caprica was absolute contrived garbage!
Thank the lords of kobol we are getting a spinoff ☺️
@@dennythomas730 Loved Caprica!!
So say we all!!
John Calicos is the real deal Baltar a real villain... You couldn't even his shoes @fakeBaltar!!
I’m more of a fan of the original series but I appreciate both shows for what they are individually. I liked Ron Moore’s take on the BSG source material where he crafted something new and different while at the same time showing respect to the original by incorporating elements of the original (ship designs, original Cylon designs, theme music, character names) into the universe he was creating. There was always that respect for the past while forging a new path. Most reboots now have total disrespect and often make fun of the original series or completely ignore the series they are based on. Moore’s take was different and I appreciate his decision to do that. I liked the casts of both shows and I still think that at the time new Galactica came out its cast and the cast of the West Wing were two of the best casts on TV. I also appreciate the reboot’s cautionary tale about our over dependence on technology. I think though that the best way to do a movie version is to write it as a trilogy and return to the original storyline involving the Cylons as an alien species long at war with the Colonies. I think you can explore some things with that but to me for a cinematic story having an alien big bad is the way to go. That said I just hope the third version of Galactica does both its predecessors justice and doesn’t make a shambles of it.
...what was the significance of the Bird in the final episode?
I think if they try to reboot anything it should be the web series "BSG: Blood and Steel". This was the first Cylon war and a young Adama. It had potential, but the PTB shut it down. Too bad, I think it would have made a great prequel.
Well its happening now.
Chrome.
I always found something odd about the acting in bsg. I dont know if i want to blame the actors or the writing. Some good concepts but they were stretched so thin and repeated so much.
And ultimately liked it at the time to stick with it as i binge watched it but did not love it looking back.
why not come back with a battlestar galatica 1980s type stuff with modern tech
The problem is that once a series is a hit - they try and drag it out as loooong as possible, with diminishing quality. Thank god Game of Thrones was an almost complete story arc before they started filming
GoT isn't worthy of being mentioned in the same conversation as Moore's BG. The former is just a schlocky story that repeats the same "hold my beer" take on itself, constantly outdoing its own base standards of shock-horror violence with no real message. Once it is over it will quickly fade. By contrast, Moore's BG will be studied for decades to come as a piece of art that captured the mood of its time.
ahahahahahaha Game of Thrones. There was nothing complete about GOT before filming. They made up the ending as they went along and it WAS A DISASTER.
Lol. It is so funny seeing this comment after watching Season 8
@@j4kelc Hahahaahah - dear god yes. Weirdly though; they went the other direction - trying to bring it all to a close as soon quickly as possible once they ran out of books/detailed notes. Season 7&8 especially seemed rushed & looked like the product of two kids playing with their action figures.
@@jedi4049 nah
Just rewatching the series. Still utterly mind-blowing. The sheer power of the ideas, dialogue and acting remains without peer in sci-fi. Cannot believe people are still clinging to the original series - it was GARBAGE, people, get over it.
I think if they reboot they need to go in the opposite direction and make a more modern version of the original series. You could still have a seriousness of the destruction of the colonies and near extinction of the human race but have it more as background detail. You could even bring back the original details like yahrens and centons and other unique concepts. It shouldn't be a carbon copy of the original but more taking those space opera components and treating them seriously.
Why on earth would anyone think the original series is worth reviving? I remember watching it in the 70s and while it was different seeing something like that on TV, even adolescent me recognized it was ultimately light-weight fluff. The original was derivative junk; the reboot was and is art.
@@GMOFoodsaregood Battlestar Galactica Classic 1978 is the real deal and Ronald D. Moore's is straight up garbage 🗑!
Saying, "god did it" made all t mysteries previously set up entirely pointless and moot. And driving all their tech into t sun and embracing luddism made all t previous struggles to improve their situation similarly pointless and moot. Also , I think, t show demonstrated a lack of clear understanding of genetics, anthropology, and Lucy. Tho I know I don't understand all that too well myself. So I'm not entirely sure on all that myself.
Since I was a kid in the 70s, I wanted to fix the glaring flaws in the plot. The original battle I imagine to be like a parade of aircraft carriers in the sights of a uboat Wolfpack. Where are your fraken destroyers?!
Only just finished watching this show (shame on me)...I love it but I'm so confused about Star Buck.
I believe that she was an angel.
The main thing for me is that the series is like a superlong SFmovie with a beginning, middle and a end. It keeps you on the edge of your seat till the end. That is were it succeeded. Four seasons is a bit short though wish that it were like seven seasons. I do not believe that the magic of the show can be emulated. Nor do i believe it will have like a Star Trek future with successful followup series. I watched the series in 2004 or so. Since then i rewatched it several times on blu-ray..still enjoy it after 16 years.
Should have been 2 seasons
The show started great but the ending sucked, almost everyone was a cylon in the end....
yeah, about 12 people and a little girl :P
Michael Swärdh One of the greatest endings to a show ever. If you can’t appreciate the poetry of it, that’s on you. Some stories don’t have a clear cut conclusion. Look at sopranos for example
I completely agree, the ending was AWFUL. It made me never want to watch the show again.
@@mdlsvensson there was no poetry... I saw behind the scene when the finale aired the writer/creator didn't have any clue how to end it....so he decided that he's going to write about the characters rather than the storyline properly.
I grew up on Sci-fi, 1980s to present. So I am somewhat old-school sci-fi. The reboot of Battlestar Galactica is the most epic sci-fi series ever. I put it above all series and movies. From Star-Wars to Star Trek to whatever. This series is the most epic ever. EVER!
They will need to do a better job with the Kobol backstory. Also, I wasn't satisfied as to why there humans on Earth and Kobol.
The ending was nearly perfect. Sorry.
I still get moved by the ending, after so many watches. Ending a TV show is very difficult especially done well so that the fact that they wrapped everything up in such a way is a minor miracle
I was a diehard BSG fan back during the Bush/Cheney era and loved its conflicted characters and excrutiating drama. But that atrocious finale is something that I, and the vast majority of fans I've discussed it with, will never "get it more". The way it squandered so many of the main characters and trivialized the Cylons' so-called "plan" made a saccharine mockery of the series and ruined its rewatchability for me. You know what would be an awesome new reboot? Recast the main characters with their original actors and resume the story on Nuked Earth, right after the settlers and Cylons rendevous there. Just retcon that entire demoralizing last half-season into oblivion!
That's not the creator of Battlestar Galactica, because his name is Glen A. Larson. Disney is not the creator of Star Wars.
he's the creator of "a" Battlestar Galactica.
Bad hair is a plague.
I liked the series finale but I can’t help but think of all the people in the fleet who had been waiting for years to, for example, take a long hot shower, and then being told that it had been decided to do away with all their technology and fly the fleet into the Sun. “Wait...we’re going to do *what*??” Then there’s the issue of all the diseases on Earth they’d be susceptible to. And the list goes on.
I agree. BSG endef
He dropped the ball with that ending, not that the show started to go downhill after mid season 3.
Yeah, the last season specially seemed rushed really.
blame Scifi Channel for that. He had a five year plan
I disagree, the series is one of the best written shows that has been on TV. The ending was perfect as it closed the story arc in a loop. "It has all happened before and it will all happen again"
So part of the agreement of Ron Moore taking over the series, the original creator made certain demands. Glen A Larson required the new series to have a religious aspect, and have certain elements. It was actually written into the contract. It's unfortunate Larson put those demands in. Ending would have been a lot more coherent.
I really didnt like the ending. The idea that they ditched all of their technology is lame and the question remains: how come human civilization still took 150,00 years to get to the "modern" era even though they had all that knowledge??
There's still dumb people to this day who didn't like or understand the ending haha.
There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike elements of the ending, particularly the divine intervention aspect. On the whole though, i thought the ending was brilliant because ultimately this was a story about characters not "god" and they wrapped their story arcs so well and complete.
The ending was lazy and disappointing. I wish that they would not have rushed the ending and answered some of the questions and not create more questions.
How / why are Baltar and Six still on earth 150000 years in the future
@@geoffreynoonan4334 Nope, I think the idiot is the one who can't come up with a logical answer to this question.
The ending of the show ruined the whole show. It was horrible.
I wonder Ron if you were given more time and money how you truly would have ended BSG. Let's jump start Blood and Chrome!!
True. As far as I'm ok with ending's message ("man creates robots" cycle), I don't like how it was served at the end. If I would have wanted another show with space wizards and ghosts I would have watched Star Wars again. BSG started as pretty hard sci-fi, but ended like "Touched by an Angel" in space.
I thought the ending was great. I agree with Ron Moore. Everything let up to the conclusion there wasn't a jarring surprise or feeling of disconnection or betrayal. The cycle continues, or does it? A perfect way to end the show in my opinion.
The ending was and is perfect. It is one of the few series that actually ended with closure. No more story to tell and that is what people can't come to grips with.
If that is where you stopped watching, how do you know the rest was not good? Do you take all your opinions from others?
He wasn't BSG's creator, Glen Larson was. Moore took the material, abused and blurred it almost beyond recognition, and slapped his name on it. If they had named it something else, it would have been better for all.
Amen that fellow (Original) Galactican 💯😇😎👏👍 Ron Moore should have made an entirely different IP franchise altogether! And it is annoying as well as wholly disrespectful to Larson how Moore's concoction gets all the praise and recognition (+ spinoffs etc! 🙄🤪) that the Original Galactica should have had but never did! 😡☹️😤👎👎
"Exploring different ways of doing the medium?" Copying what others were doing is more like it. The first two seasons were pretty good but after that it sucked badly. The soap-opera aspect of the rest of the show ruined it for me. Too many other shows were doing the same thing.
Yeah there was enough there for a season 5. Even after all these years, I still think the ending was wack.
whatever happen to future BSG project, it was rined by the ending. I wont look forward or seek out to it. Especially after the seaosn 3 and 4 debacle.
Absolute crap ending and lame finale 5 story....
Ronald D. Moore's reboot Battle garbage !! Battlestar Galactica Classic 1978 is the real deal...
The Ending should have been that they discover Kobal is just one on 25 colonies of man and that 10,000 years ago humans reached out all over the galaxy and then they get to within Sol system and are assimilated by the Borg humans have become them
NotQuiteSurprisedAtAll lame
Just finished it. Season 3-4 were pretty bad and should have been combined into 1 season. The first half of the show + miniseries were amazing though. Decent ending to a great show overall