The atmos jump was the greatest moment of the series. The way they build up to it, all of the fighters deploying out through fire, and the massive boom when the Galactica jumps felt like the thunder from a massive lightning strike to signify the sh*tstorm that was about to be unleashed. One of the best moments in TV SciFi, hands down.
Adama maneuver, I wonder if we are going to use that in the future and actually call it Adama maneuver if we ever invent something similar to FTL jump.
I've always thought that the greek pantheon was actually from the 12 colonies and when they arrived on our earth, these ideas somehow survived and became the greek mythology we know today. Though, that rationale would work better if the Galactica crew somehow arrived later, near a proto-would-be-greek civilization instead of pre history like the series.
Don't forget that at the end, they divided up supplies and materials, and groups were sent to locations all over the planet. It would take time for things to take shape.... not to mention, historians and anthropologists are constantly forced to change how far back human history actually goes, every time some ancient site like Göbekli Tepe is unearthed.
I saw a BSG discussion with Ron Moore and the cast where Moore mentioned the "and they have a plan" was added just to add something to hook people in. People would ask them what's the plan? His answer "hell if I know."
I liked most of the last season and a half. I liked the trial of Baltar, the cylon civil war, and the episode where Saul's wife resurects. I thought it just fell apart in the finale as they had painted themselves into a corner and they thought resolving every conflict and mystery w "god did it" was their best option.
I loved Battlestar Galactica, but the thing I find hardest to believe isn't the space travel or the ancient aliens stuff, it's the fact that 40,000 people were perfectly fine with giving up their modern technology and essentially going camping for the rest of their lives. Not one person said "yeah I'm gonna go with the Cylons, they have microwaves and indoor plumbing."
@@OrangeRiveragreed imo what would have made more sense would be for the colonels to scrap their ships and use the technology they had to build a new civilization like say Atlantis or something
@kingdomofvinland8827 that would miss the whole point of the series and the "cycle of time" They deliberately didn't want technology because eventually it would lead to the creation of more homicidal cylons. By reducing back down to the stone age, they increase the amount of time till humans create A.I again.
I enjoyed BSG when it came out but the heavy “spiritual” aspects Ronald Moore put into it left me somewhat disappointed. I wanted more of what the expanse was sans aliens and just a more grounded man vs machine story. Still it was fun and considering what we have now it was a golden era for TV sci-fi. I was one of the few who liked Caprica and wished it had gotten a couple more seasons. It had some interesting angles the main show didn’t pursue.
Hey! You spoiled an almost 20 year old show i decided to click on a video about, knowing you'd have to talk about it in depth to properly explain the topic!! How dare you!
I havent ever seen the show, planning to watch soon anyway. Even after knowing most about it by watching videos like this... I still want to see it regardless. Honestly, Its kind of spoiled anyway based on the whole fanbase saying that "This has happened before, and will happen again" stuff on a regular basis. So when you know that the ship is searching for Earth, and people will tell you wait till you see the twist at the end, I think most people will say after that, "Wait... Youre gonna pull some planet of the apes ending on me arent you? !" So based on that statement, you can assume they either arrive in present day earth or the distant past lol. So the show is practically spoiled anyway from its most well known tagline repeated non stop.
Kobol / Kolob *does* link to Earth. Bear in mind the theme of technology and AI becoming sentient, Kobol is a corruption of COBOL. COBOL was one of the very early computer programming languages, but not the first. It's another indication that all this has happened before and will hapoen again. I don't think I've seen the link to the COBOL programming language before. But as an older software developer, who did indeed write software in COBOL at the start of my career, it jumped out at me immediately.
My theory has always been DNA just does that in this universe. You get sufficiently advanced life and humans will come out sooner or later, and intelligent life will always want to build evil robots to kill themselves. This way you can grandfather in both series. There must be something special about Earth, because why does it act as a magnet for these different alternate versions of humanity?
The story line also reflects Hegelian philosophy, at least as I understand it. The thesis (humans) create the antithesis (Cylon) which eventually leads to synthesis (human-cylon hybrid). I always was amused by the name of Kobol. It sounds and is spelt similar to an early programming language called Cobol. There really isn't the a connection between the two, it looks to be a coincidence. A very nice review of the newer series. I prefer the new one over the original because it did seem more realistic in many ways.
It's very likely that the whole situation with Kara Thrace and the "Angels" at the series' finale means they are Beings of Light, an extraterrestrial species seen in the original Battlestar Galactica show. Kara even paints the Ship of Lights in one of her murals at some point.
Peacock removing it from their service makes me glad that I recorded it to DVDR when I had the chance. Too bad I procrastinated on Warehouse 13. Services removing programs that they own makes my head spin. Keeping them on costs them nothing.
4:53 #UmActually, the original Battlestar Galactica series only mentions "Light Speed" as the maximum velocity. The Galactica usually has to travel slower because most of the fleet doesn't have the capacity for Light Speed. Makes no sense, I know, but that's what they went with. 🤷
There’s the obvious DS9-BB5 parallels which I would love for Tyler to dig into. Andreas Katsulas portrayed roles in TNG (Tomalok) and BB5 (G’Kar). Plus of course, Walter Koenig was Chekhov in TOS and Bester in BB5!
One interesting thought is that the meaning of, "all this has happened before and all this will happen again," could refer to the fundamental forces of the universe that have singular constants that are woven into the universe. Gravity, Planck, electric, speed of light in vacuum, etc. It is said that turn the dial on one of these and the formation of some elements is impossible and therefore planets and consequently life. Carrying that in the other direction these forces made it possible for life to occur here on Earth. Since the laws of nature seem to be consistent, then the same circumstances that created life here also can occur elsewhere and has already. I can't think of the cosmological theory off hand but it has to do with the infinitude of space and the idea that another earth exists with another version of you that simply turned left when you turned right. Not a parallel world but a duplicate world that made all the same everything, almost, because it made a you that did something different once as a variation. Kinda of like a repeating pattern that begins at a "big bang" and goes on forever while internally creating another "big bang" that starts anew and goes on and on with each variation a consequence of a minor or insignificant coin flip. Meaning that the entirety of anyone piece of the repeating whole isn't actually repeating but just another part of a unique entirety. This doesn't mean that if everything repeats then it should repeat exactly without a difference. But the repetition similarity is itself the entirety a single unique whole. Summary: The unique forces that allow for life in the universe here also make for exactly the same circumstances to occur identically elsewhere in the universe. However, because of this it allows for minute variation, this makes any variation just a piece of a unique whole without exact repetition.
The lore before the 12 colonies can be confusing. Also the Earth they find at the end isn't the Earth they first set out to find. They carried the name over from the wasteland Earth they did find. The final 5 even forgot about the original Earth and what happened on it. Tbh it was a great idea for the show.
The reimagined series is my favorite TV series hands down. Plus Tricia Helfer. I'm old enough to have watched the original 70s series on TV as a kid. It was corny, but it was fun and entertaining.
I’m old enough to remember watching the TOS on TV. I just wish they kept the Idea of the Cylons being created by ancient race of extinct reptiles, and the fact when they arrived on Earth, that we no longer had the technology to help fight the Cylons.
For the newbs who don't take spoiler warnings seriously... You WILL BE ROBBED of an amazing viewing experience if you watch spoilers - more than any other show/book I've seen.
This is one of those channels where, every single time you upload, I think to myself "How is this guy so small?" Like. There are dozens, if not HUNDREDS of channels that put out such lower quality content. It's almost frustrating.
I love Battlestar and the remake was sublime but to younger or less experienced fans I would say, if you go around bonking each other on the head with spanners and guns like they do in the remake whenever they need to put their friends to sleep? You’re going to terribly injure or kill each other. So don’t do that. But do shoot Cylons.
Great analysis Tyler. I LOVED the reboot and watched every single episode when it originally aired but I think they screwed the pooch with that ending. I could suspend belief about them worshipping Greek deities, the use of US Navy slang, etc, but, Starbuck figuring out the route to Earth by transcribing the musical notation of a Bob Dylan tune? WHAT?!? That was a bridge too far, lol. I guess we all have Bob Dylan DNA in our cell nuclei! 😂
BSG-Reimagined to me has a lot of paraells with Liu Cixin's "Remembrance of Earth's Past" or known as (The Three-Body Trilogy). The theme of "This is all happened before and this will all happened again," is heavily suggested in the trilogy and more in the spin-off 4th book: The Redemption of Time (written by Baoshu). There are few differences between the 2 series but if you know them both pretty good; it could potentially answer questions about BSG-Reimagined and Three-Body. I almost feel like these could be in the same Universe or Universes that happen in paraell with each other. Perhaps even side by side, where things happen in both perspectives but have different causes, effects, meanings. Who or what is the force that brings back Starbuck from a literal death that seems to be pushing the surviving Humans of BSG to safe harbor. Starbuck's New fighter that they cannot trace the parts for, etc, etc? Where in Three-Body; this force that effects this Universe is more flushed out in the 3rd and 4th books of Three-Body. There are aliens in Three-Body where none exist in the BSG-Reimagined continuity. This is all for fun people. Just a thought experiment in science fiction that are not directly connected but share a great many concepts within one another. If you have only read or seen one I'd recommend the latter. If anything its just cool to think about. Three-Body started making the rounds in 2006 and up. BSG-Reimagined started in 2004. I doubt either one leeched off the other but there are many paraells to both series. One is more adventurous and ends on a happy note where the other is more existential terror when we realize the God that Humans look up to, look at humanity as reality-fodder for its war against "the Lurker." Each series has its great attibutes and letdowns.
I remember seeing a fan theory that the humans from Star Wars originally arrived there through a wormhole :D Also yeah, whenever we see English text in a setting that isn't supposed to have English, I always just assume it's for the benefit of the viewing audience. Film & TV are subjective pieces of art, after all ;)
I know I don't have any evidence for this because the original creator never told anyone what his actual intentions were. But I think that the original series was meant to take place in the far future. He deliberately left hints that the show takes place in the past, the future and modern day because he didn't know what ABC would go for. Likely he actually intended was that the cylons were created by humanity and the story we're given of their origins in false. The cylons rebelled, like in Caprica, and humanity was forced to find a new home on Kobol. The cylons followed and that's when humans created the 13 colonies. In the remake they were going to follow this plan but Si Fi forced them to make another season and that's how it ended up in the past.
Nice on Tyler. Can some one answerer a question for me? On the re imagined BSG the Galactica herself looks like she is missing plaiting from her forward hull is this so and why?
The high seas have a pretty good spread of BSG content. You can't 100% the full chronological binge watch there but the majority of the story is represented.
And why not, if humanoid cultures have religious beliefs. Surely, machines that developed in humanity likeness could develope their own religious beliefs.
@@paulhunter6742 Machines don't need religion. It's us squishy meatheads that still cling to old ideas and traditions that have long since lost their value.
@@kingdomofvinland8827 Antitheists, atheists, agnostics and vague spiritualists would disagree. In the United States, 28% of the population count themselves among these Nones. Just showing your idea is personal, not universal.
OrangeRiver , I love all Sci-fi. But I have noticed something that bothers me, and I think we should all be aware of. In BSG, the last episode depics that mitochondrial Eve was a White child that lived in deep Africa. BSG is accidentally guilty of what all science fiction venues are inadvertently guilty of. Because White actors get more acting jobs in Hollywod in most other Countries, the people of this world have been taught that other civilizations on other worlds, be they in the past, future or even other galaxies or dimensions, they are predominantly White people. That is the strongest advocation of White Supremacy of any form of school, media sourse or intertainment genre. We have, (Probably unintentionally) taught the world that if there are other worlds anywhere with humanoids, the people without skin pigments are dominant. WOW ! Just think about that, Black Humanoids with absolutly no tie to Earth are less intelligent, creative, resoursefull and victorious, and less cappable of massivly procreating and passing their genes down just because they have darker skin. Even the non human wierd looking aleins are more prosperous than beings with dark skin. Have you ever thought of that ?
One thought I always had. The people who settled Earth from the colonies passed their stories and knowledge down. The original documents have been lost over time or were never written until decades later. This information was used to give birth to many of the ancient civilizations.
Delighted to finally see you cover BSG. For me, it's right up there wuth SG-1 as ny all-time favourite series. II never realised there was an analogue for the Irish in the universe. That was fun to learn.
Funny story, i watched the final episode of caprica (i think) it was recapping and basically spoiling all of BSG. Thinking what a weird BSG show, i later learned about BSG when i started watching it.
Thanks Tyler, great subject! I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the series finale. I absolutely loved it, but it blew my mind and some of your theories I hadn't considered. We came from Earth, then Kobal. It makes the most "sense" to me. 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦✌️
I loved this show so much back in the day EXCEPT when they split a season into two parts and then sold two over priced DVD sets. Uh the 20zeros! What a time to be alive.
The inconsistencies with human cultural history in BSG are one of the reasons I headcanon it to be a Westworld sequel. If all of BSG is the culmination of Dolores's last Sublime game, a lot of those questions kinda answer themselves
Man, I enjoyed this! ❤ Looking forward to watching your TNG videos once I complete re-watching that series (which you inspired me to do!). I didn't mind these spoilers because I've seen BSG more recently.
"why does everyone speak English?" because its a TV show targetted at an English speaking audience, and who the hell wants to read 7 seasons of subtitles while listening to 12 different wholly made-up languages? Its the same reason the Jaffa in StarGate speak perfect English. Telling the STORY to the audience is more important than linguistic immersion.
I mean this is pretty much what I'd argue too. The only reason I brought it up is in relation to the theories about cyclical history, cultural influence, etc.
I still remember new episodes of the original BSG would come on at 8pm on weekends; sometimes we'd be coming home from my grandparents' house (over 2 hours away), and I would just be heartsick when we'd get home after it had already started, or when it was practically over, and then I'd have to wait until whenever it aired again. That deep trauma has probably shaped today's media landscape, (the media landscape I write for, lol).
Watching this, I thought to myself: What if the angels we saw in the form of Baltar and Caprica-Six were not angels sent by God? What if they were humans who evolved thousands of years ago beyond the need for a physical body? They went through similar stories as the humans in the BSG series, eventually ascended, but they didn't want the human race to die out, so they 'seeded humans' in different parts of the universe and manipulated their lives so that their history resembled what they experienced as the human race (the original one). This would explain why history is cyclical, repeats itself, and why there was already a human race on Earth-2. Maybe one day human race from BSG story would ascend too. Or not. I would prefer that explanation rather than "it was a god's plan".
One other explanation of the similarities of the BSG world with ours- While it is not physically impossible for almost the exact same patterns to evolve as they did both then and now, it is literally right next to impossible. But one could take an artistic license and say that this was a universe where this remote possibility actually happened. Again, cyclical evolution. I have always viewed the show in this light.
I hate circular time, if life has no beginning or destination, than it all is just a inescapable purgatory. Wheel of Time did a good job at building a world with circular time, but Robert Jordan was very open and clear that this was how that universe operated and was self aware that linear time is better by a long shot. BSG just added it to the story later to try to be clever, but ends up being depressing.
Love just the intro. Fracking hell are you kidding me? Btw nice home/studio. You are way richer than I. & I do apologize for my withdrawal of membership. X I proper get your questions about BSG lore but look.... It is all based on Issac Asimof book. The best sci-fi is written based on 1 book. The Rise And Fall Of The Roman Empire. Dunno if you read Issac, but if you do check out also Simmons Hyperion. Btw (Tyler.) I never use your name?? Btw OR I love your content. Keep up the good work in 2024 & a Merry Christmas x
Awesome video Tyler. I've been a Battlestar Galactica fan since the original series. It was great to see you do a video about BSG. Thanks for your great work!
The two takes posited are both extremes and ignore the presence of higher beings and dimensions. Alternative the first: There are simply some things, The Zodiac, The Pantheon and most unsurprisingly, Bob Dylan to name a few, that just happen when life arises. Either because its baked into the cosmos or higher beings, whom Lucy Lawless and Tricia Helfer are naturally counted amongst, have baked into it. Alternative the second: A "pure" Cylon/Colonial race survives long enough to build an Atlantis like civilisation, lasting at least until 6,000 or so years ago, the Pantheon, Zodiac etc come from there. English just sorta always happens due to simplicity and stuff and ol' Bob just found some Atlantean songbooks or something. Personally..... The first, it puts a whole new spin on Xena and Lucifer.
The “BG” model and Romulus Senate model are similar but not the same. Just saying. They are very clearly different models. The Senate building has a much more pronounced rim before the top of the building and looking at the top they’re not the same shape and the Senate building is ironically (I think, lol) more open.
It was produced for a north american audience, and we speak english. And no other language we know of would make any more sense and developing an entire language for a tv show that would then require subtitles would be 1. Irritating as hell 2. Would have quickly killed off the show Its not like Godzilla minus 1, a film made in japan that is just fine with subtitles and god awful with an english dub
Perhaps you can look at it this way - the pagan religions of the Greeks & Romans were influenced by the old gods of the humans from Cobol & the 12 colonies. And English too was one of the languages they spoke and it was reborn here on earth.
The Greek Religion references could simply be an artifact of cyclic history. All human civilisation before us, and all ones that come after us, will worship some variation of the greek pantheon.
I don't know what you mean by "time code", but when the fleet arrives at Earth, it is the post-apocalyptic Cylon planet which is deserted. North America (the Gulf Coast in particular including Florida is shown in the establishing shot.@@OrangeRiver
I thought you were referencing a mistake in my video, but I think I vaguely remember what you're talking about. But I can't remember which episode(s) this happens in
According to one theory, it was the invention of organic memory transfer technology that was the cause of the wars that forced the inhabitants of Kobol to gradually abandon their home planet. As on Earth, there were many people on Kobol who considered resurrection technology an abomination against their religious faith and as a result conflicts erupted across the globe, not only attacks against the first generation of humanoid Cylons and vice versa, but even among members of a same nation who were divided due to different ideological positions on mind uploading, not to mention world wars.
After I finished the series first time, I always wondered how a sequel could be written. Set in late 21st century, an international space agency discovers the remains of Galactica crash landed on Mercury, we discover skeletal remains of Anders and manage to decipher some of the colonial language etc and reverse engineer the FTL jump. With that we would sent an expedition fleet back to 12 colonies and discover humans there survived the nuclear apocalypse and started thriving again, when we make first contact Colonial fleet would open fire on Earth fleet thinking we are Cylons but then actual Cylon Centurion fleet jumps in and start helping our expedition fleet (their logic would be our alliance still holds which we have no idea)
Very cool explanation of the series which was one of my favorites in the late 70’s and I adored the reboot in the 2000’s. Personally I go with the explanation that they were correct in that everything has happened before in a cyclical history, not a time loop but rather repeating patterns. It’s something we can see in our own past.
The atmos jump was the greatest moment of the series. The way they build up to it, all of the fighters deploying out through fire, and the massive boom when the Galactica jumps felt like the thunder from a massive lightning strike to signify the sh*tstorm that was about to be unleashed. One of the best moments in TV SciFi, hands down.
That scene absolutely blew my head off. Totally freaking amazing.
Adama maneuver, I wonder if we are going to use that in the future and actually call it Adama maneuver if we ever invent something similar to FTL jump.
"Well, this should be different..."
Your production values are getting so much more entertaining. Great work.
Thank you!
Cool video, I found this on accident and enjoyed it. Never gets old nerding out on some Battlestar. Take my sub sir
Cylon not related to Sri Lanka
I've always thought that the greek pantheon was actually from the 12 colonies and when they arrived on our earth, these ideas somehow survived and became the greek mythology we know today. Though, that rationale would work better if the Galactica crew somehow arrived later, near a proto-would-be-greek civilization instead of pre history like the series.
I feel this to be the best explanation.
Don't forget that at the end, they divided up supplies and materials, and groups were sent to locations all over the planet. It would take time for things to take shape.... not to mention, historians and anthropologists are constantly forced to change how far back human history actually goes, every time some ancient site like Göbekli Tepe is unearthed.
Perhaps during the Bronze Age collapse?
I saw a BSG discussion with Ron Moore and the cast where Moore mentioned the "and they have a plan" was added just to add something to hook people in. People would ask them what's the plan? His answer "hell if I know."
And it really showed in the last season and a half.
I liked most of the last season and a half. I liked the trial of Baltar, the cylon civil war, and the episode where Saul's wife resurects. I thought it just fell apart in the finale as they had painted themselves into a corner and they thought resolving every conflict and mystery w "god did it" was their best option.
The Cylons did have a plan, just not one they had thought through. How very human of the Cylons.
@@bbbabrock I've never felt that 'god did it.' Nor was it the case in for example, 'Contact' or 'Childhood's End'.
Irony that they made a movie called THE PLAN and after 90 minute run time you realize THEY NEVER HAD A FUCKING PLAN
I loved Battlestar Galactica, but the thing I find hardest to believe isn't the space travel or the ancient aliens stuff, it's the fact that 40,000 people were perfectly fine with giving up their modern technology and essentially going camping for the rest of their lives. Not one person said "yeah I'm gonna go with the Cylons, they have microwaves and indoor plumbing."
Yeah the ending of the series is such bullshit lmao
@OrangeRiver blame the writers leaving 3 times. First the show runner
@@OrangeRiveragreed imo what would have made more sense would be for the colonels to scrap their ships and use the technology they had to build a new civilization like say Atlantis or something
@kingdomofvinland8827 that would miss the whole point of the series and the "cycle of time"
They deliberately didn't want technology because eventually it would lead to the creation of more homicidal cylons.
By reducing back down to the stone age, they increase the amount of time till humans create A.I again.
I cant believe they didn't have image stabilization.
I enjoyed BSG when it came out but the heavy “spiritual” aspects Ronald Moore put into it left me somewhat disappointed. I wanted more of what the expanse was sans aliens and just a more grounded man vs machine story. Still it was fun and considering what we have now it was a golden era for TV sci-fi.
I was one of the few who liked Caprica and wished it had gotten a couple more seasons. It had some interesting angles the main show didn’t pursue.
Hey! You spoiled an almost 20 year old show i decided to click on a video about, knowing you'd have to talk about it in depth to properly explain the topic!! How dare you!
Fie! Fie on thee!
I havent ever seen the show, planning to watch soon anyway. Even after knowing most about it by watching videos like this... I still want to see it regardless.
Honestly, Its kind of spoiled anyway based on the whole fanbase saying that "This has happened before, and will happen again" stuff on a regular basis. So when you know that the ship is searching for Earth, and people will tell you wait till you see the twist at the end, I think most people will say after that, "Wait... Youre gonna pull some planet of the apes ending on me arent you? !" So based on that statement, you can assume they either arrive in present day earth or the distant past lol.
So the show is practically spoiled anyway from its most well known tagline repeated non stop.
Kobol / Kolob *does* link to Earth. Bear in mind the theme of technology and AI becoming sentient, Kobol is a corruption of COBOL. COBOL was one of the very early computer programming languages, but not the first. It's another indication that all this has happened before and will hapoen again. I don't think I've seen the link to the COBOL programming language before. But as an older software developer, who did indeed write software in COBOL at the start of my career, it jumped out at me immediately.
My theory has always been DNA just does that in this universe. You get sufficiently advanced life and humans will come out sooner or later, and intelligent life will always want to build evil robots to kill themselves. This way you can grandfather in both series. There must be something special about Earth, because why does it act as a magnet for these different alternate versions of humanity?
The story line also reflects Hegelian philosophy, at least as I understand it. The thesis (humans) create the antithesis (Cylon) which eventually leads to synthesis (human-cylon hybrid).
I always was amused by the name of Kobol. It sounds and is spelt similar to an early programming language called Cobol. There really isn't the a connection between the two, it looks to be a coincidence.
A very nice review of the newer series. I prefer the new one over the original because it did seem more realistic in many ways.
It's very likely that the whole situation with Kara Thrace and the "Angels" at the series' finale means they are Beings of Light, an extraterrestrial species seen in the original Battlestar Galactica show. Kara even paints the Ship of Lights in one of her murals at some point.
Nope, the Galactica universe is a computer simulation. That theory explains everything, without any supernatural mumbo-jumbo.
@@20catsRPG Just like this reality, which Albert Einstein knew to be true.
Peacock removing it from their service makes me glad that I recorded it to DVDR when I had the chance. Too bad I procrastinated on Warehouse 13.
Services removing programs that they own makes my head spin. Keeping them on costs them nothing.
Ikr
4:53 #UmActually, the original Battlestar Galactica series only mentions "Light Speed" as the maximum velocity. The Galactica usually has to travel slower because most of the fleet doesn't have the capacity for Light Speed. Makes no sense, I know, but that's what they went with. 🤷
well i for one hope that someone was fired for that mistake (dusts dorito crumbs off beer belly)
Since you've done Battlestar you should do babylon 5 next. I fucking love bablyon 5
There’s the obvious DS9-BB5 parallels which I would love for Tyler to dig into.
Andreas Katsulas portrayed roles in TNG (Tomalok) and BB5 (G’Kar).
Plus of course, Walter Koenig was Chekhov in TOS and Bester in BB5!
Should he not do Caprica first. The show is different enough.
@@TempoLOOKING Caprica - Got the shaft because it was too cerebral, not much action. It was yin to BSG's yang.
BSG is my all-time favorite show. The reboot was a masterpiece.
AGREED. So Say We All !!!
"asi decimos todos"
One interesting thought is that the meaning of, "all this has happened before and all this will happen again," could refer to the fundamental forces of the universe that have singular constants that are woven into the universe. Gravity, Planck, electric, speed of light in vacuum, etc. It is said that turn the dial on one of these and the formation of some elements is impossible and therefore planets and consequently life. Carrying that in the other direction these forces made it possible for life to occur here on Earth. Since the laws of nature seem to be consistent, then the same circumstances that created life here also can occur elsewhere and has already. I can't think of the cosmological theory off hand but it has to do with the infinitude of space and the idea that another earth exists with another version of you that simply turned left when you turned right. Not a parallel world but a duplicate world that made all the same everything, almost, because it made a you that did something different once as a variation. Kinda of like a repeating pattern that begins at a "big bang" and goes on forever while internally creating another "big bang" that starts anew and goes on and on with each variation a consequence of a minor or insignificant coin flip. Meaning that the entirety of anyone piece of the repeating whole isn't actually repeating but just another part of a unique entirety. This doesn't mean that if everything repeats then it should repeat exactly without a difference. But the repetition similarity is itself the entirety a single unique whole. Summary: The unique forces that allow for life in the universe here also make for exactly the same circumstances to occur identically elsewhere in the universe. However, because of this it allows for minute variation, this makes any variation just a piece of a unique whole without exact repetition.
The lore before the 12 colonies can be confusing. Also the Earth they find at the end isn't the Earth they first set out to find. They carried the name over from the wasteland Earth they did find. The final 5 even forgot about the original Earth and what happened on it. Tbh it was a great idea for the show.
Alternate timelines - Quentin Tarantino should've written for the series. After Once Upon a Time in Hollywood & frying the Mans on family, that is.
The reimagined series is my favorite TV series hands down. Plus Tricia Helfer.
I'm old enough to have watched the original 70s series on TV as a kid. It was corny, but it was fun and entertaining.
I’m old enough to remember watching the TOS on TV. I just wish they kept the Idea of the Cylons being created by ancient race of extinct reptiles, and the fact when they arrived on Earth, that we no longer had the technology to help fight the Cylons.
@@vereen70 There was only alien left. He sat up on the dias in a big room.
Now I've got to go play All Along the Watchtower.
Are you a Cylon ?
This was great. Thanks! B5 next? :D
So say we all.
Thanks for doing this deep dive into BSG OrangeRiver! Your videos are always interesting to watch.
For the newbs who don't take spoiler warnings seriously... You WILL BE ROBBED of an amazing viewing experience if you watch spoilers - more than any other show/book I've seen.
where's that Mycelial network? this has to be one of my favorite episodes you have done.
Bruh, I got the Blu-Rays too 😂😂. Things have changed but I've been ready!
I bought the dvds. Now they are worthless 😅
Great show, kinda of floundered coming down to the end but still solid story overall
This is one of those channels where, every single time you upload, I think to myself "How is this guy so small?"
Like. There are dozens, if not HUNDREDS of channels that put out such lower quality content. It's almost frustrating.
Thanks 😎 If you think it's frustrating, imagine how I feel 😂
Anyone else notice the production quality and funny little office esque camera switches man has been incorporating? I’m loving it!
why the papers on BSG has cutted corners?
I love Battlestar and the remake was sublime but to younger or less experienced fans I would say, if you go around bonking each other on the head with spanners and guns like they do in the remake whenever they need to put their friends to sleep? You’re going to terribly injure or kill each other.
So don’t do that.
But do shoot Cylons.
Great analysis Tyler. I LOVED the reboot and watched every single episode when it originally aired but I think they screwed the pooch with that ending. I could suspend belief about them worshipping Greek deities, the use of US Navy slang, etc, but, Starbuck figuring out the route to Earth by transcribing the musical notation of a Bob Dylan tune? WHAT?!? That was a bridge too far, lol. I guess we all have Bob Dylan DNA in our cell nuclei! 😂
Agreed.
Thanks Tyler, now I have to go watch BSG and Book of Mormon again. Those songs are so catchy.
I really enjoy your content. Keep it up.
BSG-Reimagined to me has a lot of paraells with Liu Cixin's "Remembrance of Earth's Past" or known as (The Three-Body Trilogy). The theme of "This is all happened before and this will all happened again," is heavily suggested in the trilogy and more in the spin-off 4th book: The Redemption of Time (written by Baoshu). There are few differences between the 2 series but if you know them both pretty good; it could potentially answer questions about BSG-Reimagined and Three-Body. I almost feel like these could be in the same Universe or Universes that happen in paraell with each other. Perhaps even side by side, where things happen in both perspectives but have different causes, effects, meanings.
Who or what is the force that brings back Starbuck from a literal death that seems to be pushing the surviving Humans of BSG to safe harbor. Starbuck's New fighter that they cannot trace the parts for, etc, etc? Where in Three-Body; this force that effects this Universe is more flushed out in the 3rd and 4th books of Three-Body. There are aliens in Three-Body where none exist in the BSG-Reimagined continuity.
This is all for fun people. Just a thought experiment in science fiction that are not directly connected but share a great many concepts within one another. If you have only read or seen one I'd recommend the latter. If anything its just cool to think about.
Three-Body started making the rounds in 2006 and up. BSG-Reimagined started in 2004. I doubt either one leeched off the other but there are many paraells to both series. One is more adventurous and ends on a happy note where the other is more existential
terror when we realize the God that Humans look up to, look at humanity as reality-fodder for its war against "the Lurker."
Each series has its great attibutes and letdowns.
Wow, wasnt expecting a mention of the casimir effect.
They speak English for the same reasons that the Hobbits speak English
I remember seeing a fan theory that the humans from Star Wars originally arrived there through a wormhole :D
Also yeah, whenever we see English text in a setting that isn't supposed to have English, I always just assume it's for the benefit of the viewing audience. Film & TV are subjective pieces of art, after all ;)
@subraxas earth does exist in the EU.
@OrangeRiver no an unfinished tier 3 comic from the EU. Starwars theory covered it YEARS ago.
@@TempoLOOKING I've never seen an Earth in the EU maps.
@@mroldschool001 wormhole do to hyper space error.
I loved how they did not evolve from earth. I thought that made the lore more interesting.
I know I don't have any evidence for this because the original creator never told anyone what his actual intentions were. But I think that the original series was meant to take place in the far future. He deliberately left hints that the show takes place in the past, the future and modern day because he didn't know what ABC would go for. Likely he actually intended was that the cylons were created by humanity and the story we're given of their origins in false. The cylons rebelled, like in Caprica, and humanity was forced to find a new home on Kobol. The cylons followed and that's when humans created the 13 colonies. In the remake they were going to follow this plan but Si Fi forced them to make another season and that's how it ended up in the past.
Missed a perfect opportunity to end it with a "So say we all!!"
too bovious lol
Nice on Tyler. Can some one answerer a question for me?
On the re imagined BSG the Galactica herself looks like she is missing plaiting from her forward hull is this so and why?
Perhaps cause it was partially decommissioned to be turned into a museum
The high seas have a pretty good spread of BSG content. You can't 100% the full chronological binge watch there but the majority of the story is represented.
I always found the concept of cybernetic superintelligence finding religion to be hilarious.
And why not, if humanoid cultures have religious beliefs. Surely, machines that developed in humanity likeness could develope their own religious beliefs.
@@paulhunter6742 Machines don't need religion. It's us squishy meatheads that still cling to old ideas and traditions that have long since lost their value.
Isaac asimov used religion his science fiction
@@AvangionQI’m going to have to disagree on that last bit. Humans are hard wired to worship something. I don’t know why but we just are.
@@kingdomofvinland8827 Antitheists, atheists, agnostics and vague spiritualists would disagree. In the United States, 28% of the population count themselves among these Nones. Just showing your idea is personal, not universal.
OrangeRiver , I love all Sci-fi. But I have noticed something that bothers me, and I think we should all be aware of. In BSG, the last episode depics that mitochondrial Eve was a White child that lived in deep Africa. BSG is accidentally guilty of what all science fiction venues are inadvertently guilty of. Because White actors get more acting jobs in Hollywod in most other Countries, the people of this world have been taught that other civilizations on other worlds, be they in the past, future or even other galaxies or dimensions, they are predominantly White people. That is the strongest advocation of White Supremacy of any form of school, media sourse or intertainment genre. We have, (Probably unintentionally) taught the world that if there are other worlds anywhere with humanoids, the people without skin pigments are dominant. WOW ! Just think about that, Black Humanoids with absolutly no tie to Earth are less intelligent, creative, resoursefull and victorious, and less cappable of massivly procreating and passing their genes down just because they have darker skin. Even the non human wierd looking aleins are more prosperous than beings with dark skin. Have you ever thought of that ?
One thought I always had. The people who settled Earth from the colonies passed their stories and knowledge down. The original documents have been lost over time or were never written until decades later. This information was used to give birth to many of the ancient civilizations.
Ha Ha you said Doner @27:27
Delighted to finally see you cover BSG. For me, it's right up there wuth SG-1 as ny all-time favourite series. II never realised there was an analogue for the Irish in the universe. That was fun to learn.
Funny story, i watched the final episode of caprica (i think) it was recapping and basically spoiling all of BSG. Thinking what a weird BSG show, i later learned about BSG when i started watching it.
BSG reboot is the best!
Hello, really enjoy your vids. I was wondering if it would be possible for you to do a Vid or 2 on either Robotech ( an anime ) or possibly Babylon 5.
Thanks Tyler, great subject! I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the series finale. I absolutely loved it, but it blew my mind and some of your theories I hadn't considered. We came from Earth, then Kobal. It makes the most "sense" to me. 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦✌️
Yaaaaay I was SO excited for this one!!
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Battle star is underrated as heck!
You're right, he was a great sidekick in Falcon and the Winter Soldier
Hell no. It is larger then most shows. No not Star Treck huge, but bigger then Stargate. Now V is a forgotten show.
You must have had to rewatch the entire series again to take all these notes. What a sacrifice 😃
I watched it for the first time in September :D
just starting this video and i hope you mention how BSG reimagined is actually a reimagining of the 1962 scifi film, Creation of the Humanoids.
I loved this show so much back in the day EXCEPT when they split a season into two parts and then sold two over priced DVD sets. Uh the 20zeros! What a time to be alive.
The inconsistencies with human cultural history in BSG are one of the reasons I headcanon it to be a Westworld sequel. If all of BSG is the culmination of Dolores's last Sublime game, a lot of those questions kinda answer themselves
Man, I enjoyed this! ❤
Looking forward to watching your TNG videos once I complete re-watching that series (which you inspired me to do!). I didn't mind these spoilers because I've seen BSG more recently.
Thank you Nathan!
I've never watched the show and only understand like 14% of the video but i watched the whole thing and still enjoyed it
The arrangement of the colonial star system is new to me, thanks for sharing that resource/theory as it fills in a few gaps!
whats really funny about glen a larson is that he was so bias that of course the hub of everything is caprica, cuz he was a capricorn
Man was that good.. Getin to work now to give you some blingi.
"why does everyone speak English?"
because its a TV show targetted at an English speaking audience, and who the hell wants to read 7 seasons of subtitles while listening to 12 different wholly made-up languages?
Its the same reason the Jaffa in StarGate speak perfect English. Telling the STORY to the audience is more important than linguistic immersion.
I mean this is pretty much what I'd argue too. The only reason I brought it up is in relation to the theories about cyclical history, cultural influence, etc.
I still remember new episodes of the original BSG would come on at 8pm on weekends; sometimes we'd be coming home from my grandparents' house (over 2 hours away), and I would just be heartsick when we'd get home after it had already started, or when it was practically over, and then I'd have to wait until whenever it aired again. That deep trauma has probably shaped today's media landscape, (the media landscape I write for, lol).
I always thought that our earth would become something like Kobol with 13 ships flying out to the 12 colonies and "Earth" starting the cycle again
Watching this, I thought to myself: What if the angels we saw in the form of Baltar and Caprica-Six were not angels sent by God? What if they were humans who evolved thousands of years ago beyond the need for a physical body? They went through similar stories as the humans in the BSG series, eventually ascended, but they didn't want the human race to die out, so they 'seeded humans' in different parts of the universe and manipulated their lives so that their history resembled what they experienced as the human race (the original one). This would explain why history is cyclical, repeats itself, and why there was already a human race on Earth-2. Maybe one day human race from BSG story would ascend too. Or not. I would prefer that explanation rather than "it was a god's plan".
One other explanation of the similarities of the BSG world with ours- While it is not physically impossible for almost the exact same patterns to evolve as they did both then and now, it is literally right next to impossible. But one could take an artistic license and say that this was a universe where this remote possibility actually happened. Again, cyclical evolution. I have always viewed the show in this light.
I hate circular time, if life has no beginning or destination, than it all is just a inescapable purgatory.
Wheel of Time did a good job at building a world with circular time, but Robert Jordan was very open and clear that this was how that universe operated and was self aware that linear time is better by a long shot.
BSG just added it to the story later to try to be clever, but ends up being depressing.
Life lowkey is an inescapable purgatory lol. We're all hairless apes on a rock floating in space, collections of atoms with anxiety
14:03 as a Leo i see this as an absolute win 🎉
Love just the intro. Fracking hell are you kidding me?
Btw nice home/studio. You are way richer than I. & I do apologize for my withdrawal of membership. X
I proper get your questions about BSG lore but look.... It is all based on Issac Asimof book. The best sci-fi is written based on 1 book. The Rise And Fall Of The Roman Empire.
Dunno if you read Issac, but if you do check out also Simmons Hyperion.
Btw (Tyler.) I never use your name??
Btw OR I love your content. Keep up the good work in 2024 & a Merry Christmas x
Big fan of the asides to camera #2. Keep up the great work 😄
Awesome video Tyler. I've been a Battlestar Galactica fan since the original series. It was great to see you do a video about BSG. Thanks for your great work!
Thanks Joe!
The two takes posited are both extremes and ignore the presence of higher beings and dimensions. Alternative the first: There are simply some things, The Zodiac, The Pantheon and most unsurprisingly, Bob Dylan to name a few, that just happen when life arises. Either because its baked into the cosmos or higher beings, whom Lucy Lawless and Tricia Helfer are naturally counted amongst, have baked into it.
Alternative the second: A "pure" Cylon/Colonial race survives long enough to build an Atlantis like civilisation, lasting at least until 6,000 or so years ago, the Pantheon, Zodiac etc come from there. English just sorta always happens due to simplicity and stuff and ol' Bob just found some Atlantean songbooks or something.
Personally..... The first, it puts a whole new spin on Xena and Lucifer.
Honestly, my interpretation of the ending of neoBSG is just that the writers completely lost it in the final season(s). :-/
@@subraxas Possibly
The “BG” model and Romulus Senate model are similar but not the same. Just saying. They are very clearly different models. The Senate building has a much more pronounced rim before the top of the building and looking at the top they’re not the same shape and the Senate building is ironically (I think, lol) more open.
It was produced for a north american audience, and we speak english. And no other language we know of would make any more sense and developing an entire language for a tv show that would then require subtitles would be
1. Irritating as hell
2. Would have quickly killed off the show
Its not like Godzilla minus 1, a film made in japan that is just fine with subtitles and god awful with an english dub
And now you spoiled BSG for me
Dude it's old you had time
Perhaps you can look at it this way - the pagan religions of the Greeks & Romans were influenced by the old gods of the humans from Cobol & the 12 colonies. And English too was one of the languages they spoke and it was reborn here on earth.
The Greek Religion references could simply be an artifact of cyclic history. All human civilisation before us, and all ones that come after us, will worship some variation of the greek pantheon.
The only trouble with Earth as depicted is that North America is used for its image - so Earth and Earth 2 are clone planets?
Time code?
I don't know what you mean by "time code", but when the fleet arrives at Earth, it is the post-apocalyptic Cylon planet which is deserted. North America (the Gulf Coast in particular including Florida is shown in the establishing shot.@@OrangeRiver
I thought you were referencing a mistake in my video, but I think I vaguely remember what you're talking about. But I can't remember which episode(s) this happens in
my bad he goes into it pretty deep
According to one theory, it was the invention of organic memory transfer technology that was the cause of the wars that forced the inhabitants of Kobol to gradually abandon their home planet.
As on Earth, there were many people on Kobol who considered resurrection technology an abomination against their religious faith and as a result conflicts erupted across the globe, not only attacks against the first generation of humanoid Cylons and vice versa, but even among members of a same nation who were divided due to different ideological positions on mind uploading, not to mention world wars.
Oh yeah we making it to the frak this time!
Great video
Thanks Aaron!
All theories are just theories until proven as fact. I never confuse entertainment with theories or facts.
Bruh all that LDS stuff I never knew about lol. Thanks for the vid, solid recap!
Thanks!
12 colonies are in a quaternary system i believe. With 12 habitable planets.
Another great video!
Thanks Mark!
After I finished the series first time, I always wondered how a sequel could be written.
Set in late 21st century, an international space agency discovers the remains of Galactica crash landed on Mercury, we discover skeletal remains of Anders and manage to decipher some of the colonial language etc and reverse engineer the FTL jump.
With that we would sent an expedition fleet back to 12 colonies and discover humans there survived the nuclear apocalypse and started thriving again, when we make first contact Colonial fleet would open fire on Earth fleet thinking we are Cylons but then actual Cylon Centurion fleet jumps in and start helping our expedition fleet (their logic would be our alliance still holds which we have no idea)
BSG was pretty good, but they really flubbed the ending.
Dammit! You didn't say anything about spoilers.
Been waiting on this one. Thanks!
I always thought the greek religious beliefs got preserved and passed down over the centuries between the humans' arrival and ancient Greece.
The Kat said "I'll take it as I didn't listen Tyler"😅✊
Battle star sucks 😂😂😂😂 jk great video man let’s get some more battle star!!!
The torian planet was destroyed! never really explained how or why!
Very cool explanation of the series which was one of my favorites in the late 70’s and I adored the reboot in the 2000’s. Personally I go with the explanation that they were correct in that everything has happened before in a cyclical history, not a time loop but rather repeating patterns. It’s something we can see in our own past.
Im surprised no one has ever made a huge rts game or open world game based on this lore