Old school Judo SLAYED GIANTS!!!
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2023
- This video discusses the old rule set of Judo and how it can be more spectator friendly, and more wholesome.
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Ive always said that if judo 2012 rules had been left if place, Judo would the most powerful grappling art. The IJF yghas turned Judo into a psort for the 0,001% of the population who want to compete in the olympics. The rest of us will never fight even for a national title,we should be able to practice complete Judo not judo for the elite.IJF destroyed the art of Judo
I started Jujutsu / Judo in the mid 80's. Was a completely different world then. Agree 100 percent that many of todays Judo schools are concentrated on the Olympic aspect ( dont get me started on those rules) or just watered-down versions of what the art should be. Thankfully, there are still schools that teach the full program 😎
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Yeah
I began TKD at age 5 and it has been a very similar story. The martial art is much less effective now for self defense due to the rules of the sport.
@@vids595 true, the Jujutsu i practiced when i was young was more like modern MMA but with weapons included.
We did have drills and even some sort of forms, but we mostly did sparring, many kinds of sparring.
Remembering that is funny because that was in a "Judo dojo"
The instructor was actually a Jujutsu instructor that rebranded to Judo to get more students but he still taught Jujutsu haha
it's nice that we still have the all Japan championship. though it is dominated by heavyweight judokas, you can still see smaller judokas doing well. unfortunately the current rules do not help them, as leg grabs are essential for defeating heavier opponents
Maybe, but you often see small judokas who weigh more than the tallest. They are like small sumo wrestlers.
Beginning with Endo. 100 kg is nothing for these small guys.
If they want “spectator friendly” judo then in addition to bringing the leg grabs back, they should require that the competitor stay on top after a throw in order to score an ippon.
I'm not sure that I agree. The idea of ippon is that in a real life situation you could have chosen to throw the opponent on their head/neck and on most surfaces, most of the time, that would end the confrontation. I do think that an actual submission should be required for ippon after a throw that does not score ippon.
Good point.
Crazy amazing fun to watch !
Nice, thank you for posting this!
When I started Judo in the early 1960s, one of the "selling points" was that it allowed a small person to defend against a larger one. We learned many techniques that addressed that promise, at least from a self defense standpoint. It is a shame that those techniques are no longer widely taught. Sadly, this transformation from a viable self defense art to a pure sport or even "metaphysical" one has made many martial arts a domain for higher level competitors or a gold plated form of pilates!-think Judo, Aikido, Taekwondo, Tai chi at many studios.
I studied judo in the 80s, and as a much shorter judoka I often used leg grabs and could use kata garuma on opponents 100 lbs heavier than me.
when team USA invited my stepdad to join their team in the 70's he was able to take down a 230lb russian in the pan--am games. he was also an experienced olympic wrestler back then as well.
There is hope. Some Judo clubs train old techniques, strong ne-waza and prepare for inter-club competitions with Open category. All with an eye on safety of course.
I have been saying this for ages but people just tell me I'm crazy. It's (relatively) easy to be unbeatable when you're a giant compared to everyone in your division and the opponents can't attack your main weakness, i.e. your long legs, while you can uchi mata people (or even just take grips) from outside their range thanks to your long limbs.
Miss the music. Still love the videos though. Keep up the great work!
Hello Sensei, thanks for your amazing videos and have you think about making a book with your experience in Judo? I only hope someday have the honor to train with you. Dios lo bendiga (God bless you )
probably gonna get some heat for this, almost every judoka i talk to (I dont do judo myself) seems to hate the olympic rules. Why don't you just start doing old school judo tournaments and keep that up? If everyone doesn't want to follow the new rules that take away some of the stronger techniques then just don't follow them and keep it away from being a sport. probably just me being ignorant and I'm sure there are a lot of politics that go on within the guys who run all the major tournaments and stuff.
I would, but the reason is really banal: there are no clubs to do this in anywhere even remotely close. In the vast majority of countries, 99% of clubs are only interested in Olympic judo. Presumably because Olympic medals bring recognition, prestige (and money, and likely success) to a dojo, for a sport which otherwise often does not generate enough money to self-sustain.
Unfortunately, this also means that many clubs (as I have _personally_ experienced) barely make _any_ effort at all to teach new students if they are too old to be promising elite competitors. Basically, many schools are only organized to train up children into potential athletes, and don't have a clue or plan or, more likely, the willingness to put time and effort in teaching anybody else that might join in his 20s/30s or something. If that's you, tough look, they just leave you to either figure it out for yourself and catch up to the class of young black belts somehow, or more likely, give up. They might even think you're not gonna stick around long anyway, though this is a self-fulfilling prophecy since ofc you won't if they don't bother actually teaching you. Yet they don't care because they think you won't bring them any recognition and thus business.
I do know in USA there is a league of clubs which follow "freestyle judo" which has imo a very good ruleset which is modern in its details but very traditional in spirit. Leg grabs are allowed, but only if you first made at least one grip (i.e. no wrestling-like shooting from afar, you have to be willing to engage in grip fighting you can't just bypass that and shoot all match long).
Pourquoi une minorité décide des règles du judo ? Il devrait y avoir des sondage a travers les club de chaque pays pour verifier si de tel changement sont applicables et favorable ...
Hi Chadi.
Would you ever consider starting your own Dojo, and teaching older techniques, good old school self defense and the missing striking?
It's Kodokan Judo, I find it should be allowed in dojos, for people who don't do competition
yes, this is a big plus of wrestling - you can learn to wrestle even without participating in competitions (but it is best to participate in them), because the absence of strikes and very traumatic actions allows you to fight at 100% strength every workout. if you can't find a judo kodokan, then I recommend sambo, this type of wrestling is as close as possible to the old judo
thanks God there is sambo which is very close to the old judo
Team judo competition would pull so many audiences
beautiful throws by smaller guy.
Yeah.. I think leg grabs will come back..
você poderia fazer uma comparação entre o jujutsu japonês e o chin-Na chinês
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It was Riner to win the real open class 2008 and 2017.
Open weight on the Olympics was a blamage for the Japanese.
This is the biggest problem with Judo today. They took out leg grabbing which is still taught in Japanese Jujutsu and BJJ to this day. Even Taiho Jutsu and Nippon Kempo still teach this. Ans yet Judo’s reasons for banning them is because “It looks too much like wrestling”??? Jujutsu came from Sumo and other Japanese folk wrestling and Judo comes from various koryu Jujutsu styles. I mean, seriously? Judo is a grappling art. Leg grabbing is NEEDED. My biggest complaint is that judo schools today don’t teach these techniques anymore because they’re so heavily focused on sports that they neglect to teach students these techniques, even for self-defense reasons. At least, Kosen Judo still has leg grabbing. judo schools today need to allow these techniques to be taught to students so that way in a self-defense situation, they could take advantage of it. Heck most Judo schools in my area also teach Japanese Jujutsu with Judo for self-defense. So their better be leg grabbing in those.
Let's express it like this:
Contrary to that what the Japanese tell us Japan gained most of the introduction of the weight classes. If there were no weight classes the Dutch and the Russians were the best in (olympic) men's judo (the olympic gold counts or counted most on the paper independent of the weight class or open class).
However as I heared judo is in Japan something else. It is noticed not only if a national wins an Olympic gold medal. In other countries you notice that some judoka is olympic champion without even knowing the circumstances (?) - David Douillet's 2nd gold was excellent for his reputation while Shinohara could not reach any respect anymore as does e.g. Yamashita (the godfather of Judo and Saito, who was even heavier) because he has olympic gold. Yamashita won the open class in Los Angeles without real competition. Only the title was necessary to claim to be the best of all time, not this contest. Saito could become double olympic champion because Yamashita did not enter his heavyweight competition. Douillet was the 2nd double champion without Yamashita's amazing balance over his whole career. Maybe in Japan the second is even important, in France or the Netherlands less.
All this maybe of interest if the "amateur" judo is as important as professional boxing in the whole world, which might be in Japan (?).
Who would have won mor matches head to head in their best:
Teddy Riner or Yoshiro Yamashita or Hitoshi Saito or David Douillet - (Anton Geesink or Wim Ruska, who however come from another era where judo was not so advanced as when Yamashita came)?
Saito was promoted by Yamashita.
Great clip, those scenes from the open category are amazing, but giants win ~95% of the time. This is probably the main reason why there is no more open category. It's boring for the most part.
安全性を追求しすぎると結局身体の大きな選手、力の強い選手が勝ちやすくなる。本来は体格の劣った人が生き残るための技術であるはずなのに。
もちろん
Good video. It's slew btw
Thank you, fixed
'Slayed' is also acceptable for the past simple and perfect tenses. If you're going to be an annoying know-it-all Internet dickhead, at least get your facts straight.
Lol I had no idea it's slew
It has been said that the Japanese martial arts practiced in the West are not as effective because they are not the original ones, that many techniques and training methods were lost or were not taught at all or were not taught properly because the Japanese did not have that intention after what happened in the Second World War.
I mean, that's kinda true. Japanese Jujutsu almost died after the war, and so did many other martial arts (specifically the Bujutsu ones)
Open weight cathegory PROVED superiority of Judo among all fighting sports.
Unthinkable in boxing, MMA, kickboxing or wrestling, in Judo often the small opponent prevails using the superior power of the opponent against himself.
Leg grabs: to exclude them empoverished Judo substantially.
Contrarywise than wrestling (greek-roman matches are often more interesting than freestyle), in Judo leg grabs are essentially used as counters (kaeshi) making the fight much more technical and impredictable.
Modern rules have nearly ruined judo. Ippons ģiven for people rolling gently on their shoulders, matches decided by shidos and so much efforts poured into deceiving the referee, as in football.
Judo beauty is in its unique japanese roots. Some carry Sambo, Wrestling, BJJ stuff into the dojo? Welcome! Learn how to counter them with Judo, instead of just make rules to prevent a stronger opponent to win.
Good judokas win against bigger/stronger guys.
It's in the very definition of judo, it's basically the job description, it's what makes Judo truly beautiful.
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Modern judo isn’t spectator friendly because it’s not a practical martial art.
Judo need takedowns .
They do. They just don’t allow it in modern IJF rules. The Kodokan still teaches leg grabbing.
Judo people hate it when you blast double them. 😅
Not really.
Laughs in sumi gaeshi