Yeah they're pretty crazy, they shift so fast and at the perfect shift point, it does make it hard to beat, especially in a manual. Those 8spd autos are very unforgiving of the competitions mistake in a race.
@@PotatoeJoe69 I feel like it’s more than just the speed of the shift, I know I shift really damn fast in my manual, maybe not quite as fast as the 8 speed, but I think the torque converter on those things really lets you put the hammer down off the line.
I thought I wanted a manual when I was shopping, thought I wanted a bright color too. In the end, the automatic made more sense, and especially if wifey will ever drive it, but so far in a year and a half she's too scared. LOL And I didn't want unwanted attention, especially from LE, so no lime green or orange! The automatic is outstanding, one of the best transmissions I've driven. It is ALWAYS in the right gear, shifts are seamless up and down, and in sport mode it's super crisp, instant shifts. I'm still getting used to paddle-shifters. Coming from the stick-shift history, they feel like a new-fangled toy. I always thought they were 'indy-car wannabe' buttons. LOL One of those try-it you'll like-it kind of deals.
@@TrackPackRT that and since it has 8 gears they can be shorter, allowing it to accelerate quicker, def would help if we could fit the 8 speed in the older cars lol :P
Great video brother. When I was just cammed and headers my races with Scats were the same (stock 5.7 is not even close) except I kept up a little better from a dig (I have an automatic) and they would take me on the big end. Once I got the converter, I would smack them off the start and then they would gain at the big end (sometimes I would win sometimes the Scat would win) making it a 100% drivers race. LOVE seeing you bang those gears brother! Need to see more of it!
It's funny that my experience is the opposite! From a roll, and up top me and a 392 are dead even. Down low though he pulled on me like I accidentally hit the brakes! haha. For auto cars a good torque converter is no joke, lots of great ETs to be had with one of those up your sleeve! I'm keeping tabs on what you got going on, fingers crossed for you to hit those 11s again brother, cheers!
Thank you for being honest about this stuff. I get hate on my stuff because I tell people you can’t beat a 392 with a tune and headers on a 5.7. For some reason, people think headers add 100 hp. You’re still holding it down bro. The manual makes it much harder
Definitely agree, always got to be honest. Even if things don't go as planned, sometimes that's the fun of modifying your car, learning and tweaking things until you get what you were looking for. haha It's crazy what some people would think will give you power, and how much power, let alone give you crap for just being honest. I guess that's the good thing about being able to document your experience though, the results and numbers will speak for themselves. Cheers Donny!
@@terrymitchell4579 Need headers and dyno tune. I have those exact mods and just need to install my headers, and either a 392 or similar cam. Then, you're either even or walking a 392.
😂 You got me, I told Jay before the race, “okay man let’s race each other the same as last time but this time but this time you have to shift at 3000”. How many gears do you think that automatic has! Haha. Thanks though, it’s always good to start the day with a chuckle. 😂
Both are nice cars, but honestly at 5:58 when you take off it doesnt even seem like the 392 is ready he doesnt even jump or move at all really. Guess he just was watching you leave. That's not a race.
@@tiredone8151 yep! That was the point. Jay just wanted to see with the launch out of the way if he could pull on me and gain ground, which he didn’t. After finding that out we decided to try a roll race as we realized the 2 cars were really close through out the rest of the rpm range.
Excellent comparos. Now I'm pretty sure I'll just stick with my stock 5.7. LOL Sport mode is just a hoot. The '19 got the track-pack included, so it's lower and firmer, handling is excellent. I may add a strut-brace, and look at other tires as the stockers wear out. I need to buy some kind of striping, maybe a hood black-out. ;)
I have 315 in my 15 RT & it still doesnt hook good in the street, at the track it grips like a dream. Im modding my rt as well! Want to make it quicker.. have some parts in shelf waiting until i tune my rt.
Man, love the videos. I have a '14 w/6spd, too. Just some notes. The 6.4 intake uses the long runners in the lower RPM range, which is for increased torque. Then, around 4800RPM, it switches to the short runners for in increase in HP. You can look up videos on UA-cam for dyno graphs and actually see the switch around 4800. One other note, the Stainless Works headers are 1 7/8". Believe it or not, our 5.7's do better with smaller 1 3/4" headers. The difference is in the lower RPM range (2400 - 3200RPM). The smaller tubes help scavenging more, in that range, and torque is up 15+ ft.lbs., over the larger tubes. Up top, the larger tubes only give you about 3 or 4 HP advantage. If you know who Richard Holdener is, he wrote a book about late model Hemi performance. He dyno'ed a 5.7 test mule and proved this with actual numbers. If you ever stroke your 5.7, that's when those SW headers will show their advantages. If you were to do the 6.4 intake mod, that purple Charger's gonna be in trouble. 😎😎
Yea I got it backwards in the video, but had seen a lot of dyno pulls with the swap showing the gains down low and through the meat of the powerband. Not "more power" per se, but more under the curve where it's useful. I've thought long and hard about this swap but I'm leaving myself open for the possibility of switching to another intake I really like that happens to have a pulley coming out of it..if you catch my drift. haha I love Holdners channel, he does some super interesting comparisons. I never got a chance to run with my buddy Jay again after this, but soon after I swapped out the phase limiter for a phase lock and ended up with an extra 20 or so hp. It's been a fun journey so far!
@@TrackPackRT I'm picking up what you're putting down. Haha Boost! Centrifugal, or Positive Displacement? I'm going with a CamMotion custom grind and they said that I'd need to lock the phaser, too. It has a 113° LSA, with 3° advance ground in. Definitely don't need pistons tickling the exhaust valves. These 5.7's can really make the power, when done right. There's some guys in Texas that put down almost 520WHP, on E85. The car has the 6.4 intake, as well. 520's gotta be close to maxed out.
hey man you have a cool page, I just subscribed, I'm new to the Mopar family about 3 weeks ago I just got a 2016 Challenger RT 6 speed manual and I love the car so far it's stock it just has a borla exhaust and 275 tires opposed to the stock 245 other than that bone stock for now, I love your content, cheers from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
Much appreciated man! Sounds like you’ve got an awesome car! Stay safe out east, I’m happy at least we’ll have some world junior hockey coming up to watch! Cheers!
I did a few pulls in my 2018 300s with the 5.7 vs a 2011 or 12 charger. This was back when I was bone stock. I gapped him again and again and I KNOW it was because I have the 8 speed auto and he had the 5 (I believe). Kept pulling on him between his shifts. About to swap out my intake manifold for the 392 intake manifold this weekend. Thanks for the videos man!
Let me know if it was an easy swap! I have a 16 5.7l & want to get the most hp i can, without SC & crazy engine mods. Right now i have an srt exhaust .25" bigger than the stock, a hellcat intake, e85 kit. Not installed: 90mm TB, ported 5.7l intake, gutted 6.4l cats, hellcat injectors. (Thinking of a MMX cam that requires no tunning, no spring/mds delete/limiter & added 30whp more no tune, can probably get 10 or 15 more with a tune) I heard the 6.4l intake is a noticable upgrade for the 5.7l, but rn prices are crazy.
@@Mroswaldo16 Sounds like you got a sick ride coming along! I just did long tube headers, high flow cats and a 3" exhaust from Magnaflow this past week (took like 15 hours of work). As for the 392 intake manifold, the swap itself was really easy honestly. Took me like 3 or 4 hours. Noticed a nice bump in torque immediately (before I even got it tuned). After I got it tuned, I got another 30 ft/lbs of torque out of it and like 10 horses. No check-engine lights, nothing. The physical install itself is cake. The hard part for me was all the wiring to get the active runners working, that took me another week to figure out. You can just direct swap it without the wiring and activating the runners and it will still run perfectly fine with no issues, you just won't feel it pull as much on the top end. Prices are kinda crazy right now. I waited a little over 3 months to get my 392 intake manifold because I didn't want to over pay. I got a used one on Ebay for like $450 eventually. Best of luck and let me know how it goes if you end up doing it!
@@idunno3639 what do you needs to do for the active runner to work? I can solder wire, so that wont be a problem. Always wanted to install the 6.4l intake, but hearing the active runners, wiring etc just gets me lazy lol, since its my daily, i needs to do all the mods in that day so i can still use my car.. a guy wanted 1k for 1 with the active runner switch but seem pricy to me.. ill see what i ended up doing. Just sent my pcm to hp tuners. I might even get another set of used 5.7l heads & give them a port job, so i can learn & if i go with the camz get them install over the weekend since im thinking it, really hard about going with the small cam that doesnt require any other parts other than gasket from MMX..
@@Mroswaldo16 @DonnyR/T has an entire video Playlist dedicated to the 392 intake manifold swap on the 5.7 (link below). m.ua-cam.com/play/PLjckPw8sVJfYgC_sO_ETE5LfXSKoINSlp.html His videos on the subject were a HUGE help and I can't credit him enough. He lays out each part you need in detail and provides links to websites with the parts and part numbers. You'll be happy when you get a tune man, you're definitely going to see some power increases!
That’s a good time! There’s no doubt the 2 different trans combos play a part, I know that active runner intake definitely helps with down low power a fair bit. I’ll be excited to try it out after throwing in a phase lock on my car soon.
Hey it's Brian in Oklahoma with the 15rt that had the Stage 2 hrt comp cam. After my dyno tune, I bought and had a 6.4 intake manifold installed with the active runners set at 4800rpm. Man it is amazing how much faster it accelerates and smoothly to the top rpms.
@@TrackPackRT O am using a stock 6.4 air box now. I have a Hellcat throttle body and adapter, but I cannot get it to hook up to the 6.4 air box because the adapter adds just enough that it will not fit the 6.4 or 6.2 airbox.
@@TrackPackRT The 5.7 eagle heads came out in 2009 to today so yes, the 6.4 intake would fit. of course, you would have to wire it all up for the runners to kick in at 4800 RPM but there's plenty of videos and forum articles to help with that. It would help get rid of that "plateau" you have in the high RPM range.
Are you going to add the 392 intake and try the 392 Charger again? That would be interesting. I did everything you did but I added 392 intake, 425 whp dyno tuned on dynojet dyno.(I also have a manual).magnaflow 3" hi Flo cats,srt manifolds with stock hellcat exhaust and hellcat lower airbox.I HAVNT RACED ANYONE.
@@stevesutton9200 nice work those are some great numbers! For now I’m leaving my intake stock as I have a real urge to replace it with an aftermarket one that makes a funny whining sound if you get my drift. Haha
ive got a tuned all stock 5.7 with 3.90 gears and the 392 scat cant get away from me so i think ill smoke the 392 when i get my cam in and long tubes and new tune
Brian in Oklahoma, did you ever get a 6.4 intake manifold with the msd window set at 4800rpms. It really helped the smoothness of constant accelerations to 125 to 130 easy. Im pleased with. Now I have my 6.4 intake ported to 92mm because I have a Hellcat 92mm tb im going to install to see what happens. I have Covid-19 right now and my kids. So, it will be a minute.
Nice, I love those Maggie blowers! The guy getting dyno tuned right before me had a 392 with a magnuson blower, he put down 550 whp. It was a pretty cool setup! So much torque he could barely hook though haha
Hey man I’ve been wanting a 392 intake manifold for my white 2014 challenger 6 speed and I’m fixing to put in a stage 2 comp cam from HRT but I can’t find a 392 intake manifold for the life of me, once I get that I can get a bigger throttle body and a new cold air intake and the rest is history for me
I think the torque converter of the automatic plays a big role in that. I would love to test a manual scat vs my car so the transmissions are the same and it's a more straight across comparison.
@@TrackPackRT I have a modified RT also (3800 Torque Converter, LT Headers, Stage 3 Cam, 3.09 LSD, etc.) Same thing happened to me vs. a Stock 392, from a dog they jumped out 1 length or 2 and we evened out, from a roll was closer until he got to higher speeds (guess the difference was the Torque and Transmission 5spd vs 8spd)...
What lift & duration is the cam? I have a 15 RT & i want to cam mine, byt so undecided to which one to go with. MMX came out with 1 that doesnt require spring, mds delete, limiter. Etc. & ut added 30whp to a ram with stock tune. Im going tune mine with 90mm TB. Ported 5.7l intake Catless srt exhaust. Hellcat intake k&n filter. E85 w/hellcat injectors.
Ooh that completely depends on your budget and power goals. They’re both good ways to go. You’ll make more power with a supercharger but it’ll also cost over 6k compared to the 1.8k a cam kit will cost you. Both will require a really good tune to run properly. Cam + headers will get you between 400-420 whp depending on your cam. Supercharger + headers will put you in the 550 range. There’s definitely a few variables but both are great options when done properly!
There’s a chance the pipe diameter on the exhaust is restricting it, but when I got together with my tuner to do the dyno tune we figured the phase limiter was the big reason. I’m putting a phase lock on it shortly and then re-tuning to see how that helps us. I do have a k&n filter in there, took it out to clean it yesterday and didn’t realize how dirty and plugged up it was...oops! Haha
@@TrackPackRT yeah that'll do it lol the mufflers on the rts and even srts are a restriction so I'd change it as well. 2.5 pipe would help too, my gf's rt has 2 and a quarter and my car came with 2 and a half so I'm changing to 3 inch. Just my .02 cents.
Cant compare the 5sd auto rt they just are to slow only way to compare is using a 8spd auto with a cam cause i beat scat packs.and i got a 5.7 with basic bolt ons
Have you considered going to a one piece Aluminum Driveshaft vs the two piece OEM driveshaft, it eliminates the resistance of the center carrier bearing and the center CV joint? David
I thought about it a little, but heard that some people were having some issues with vibration ect with a one piece drive shaft. Have you replaced it on your car?
@@TrackPackRT Yes I have, I am running the 4" Aluminum driveshaft from the Driveshaft Shop it is rated for 1,000+ HP, I had a center carrier bearing failure on my OEM driveshaft, the rubber support ripped completely off of the bearing. I replaced the OEM with another OEM but could not get the center bearing failure out of my mind. So I went with the single piece driveshaft and so far at 100mph no vibration at all, they balance the driveshafts now on a 1,950rpm machine, they are a lot better than they used to be, No Regrets here. I've been watching your 5.7L HEMI upgrade progress I like that you've stayed true to the 5.7 engine. David
@@David-qf9gp wow that's a failure you don't hear of too often! Very interesting. I always wondered if a drive shaft like that could shave a tenth off an ET or even make the throttle response a bit more snappy. Kind of how motor mount upgrades can. Thanks man, I appreciate it! I love my 5.7!
I always say get the most trim level you can afford and go from there. If an R/T fits the budget, get one! If it’s going to be a fixed budget for quite awhile and a Scatpack just isn’t in the cards, no worries, pretty easy to get that power without spending a lot, especially if you can do work yourself. The great thing about all the Hemis is they all can make serious power. Take a look at your budget and make a plan. I’ve got some great head to head races with a 392 at the drag strip coming up since my latest dyno and tune that you’ll probably be interested in!
Player 2 Has Entered The Game We could have but honestly it wouldn’t have been close. That’s right where I picked up the most power from my cam and headers and it’s right where the stock 5.7 runs out of breath.
Autos definitely have an advantage off the line! The roll was pretty even. I was finally able to beat a 392 back to back at the track this year after swapping my phase limiter with a phase lock and re-tuning. It’s still really even though.
Sort of. I mean the cam I put in has a good rpm range that is still pretty low so it’s not all upper mid and high end power. My 60’ time has gotten slightly better now than it was when I was on the stock cam so I know I’m not just dying off the line. The 392s are really torquey from a dig, they’re designed that way, but the awesome intake design they have really does help power and torque down low without sacrificing top end power. It would make a fair bit of difference on my car. I would like to get back together with Jay and run again now that my setup is tweaked just right and pretty rock solid, he’s been working out of province so although we keep in touch it may be next summer before we can try again. I’d still really love to find a manual 392 to line up against so it takes the transmission/converter variable out of it and just see how they stack up.
Can you tell how much you spent until this stage so with those two mods and the link to them? So in this video you didn't have a cold air intake and an exhaust?
It would be a quick ride that’s for sure! CAI would be more of an asthetic or purely sound thing as they really don’t add any hp. If you have a newer model you’d be better off doing a Hellcat air box mod.
Track Pack R/T did you install everything yourself? I’m getting a comp 274 and long tubes and I got quoted 9k 😂 for parts labor and tune. But sadly there aren’t any performance shops in my area. I might have to figure it out on my own.
@@TrackPackRT yeah they are. My brother just got a 2019 SS with the 10 speed. Now I have some serious competition now. The 18/20 5.0s are also very quick. I need to upload some content on the SS whenever I run it
@@Chestnut1998 absolutely! I know when I run the 5th Gen SS right now they have me by about a car in the 1/4 mile. We’ll see how that changes by the time I get the car back out in spring. I imagine you’d probably still beat out an SS pretty consistently but it would be a really close race.
@@stevensilvas1986 years later I’ve raced a lot of Scatpacks and SRT 392s at the track, beat a lot of them, but I have yet to come across another manual to take the transmission variable out of the comparison. I’m still curious how it would shake down.
That scat with two people is nearly 600 pounds more use your head. Never race with passengers thats why you see some scats pull hard on these cammed RTs with only having 1 person
😂 Well I know you’ve never met Amy but she’s about 5’ 2” and about 100lbs soaking wet. If you’re going to call out a serious performance differences on that it’s a big stretch. Besides we know there’s a weight difference between an SRT Charger and my Challenger, about 300 lbs. There’s also a difference in transmissions. It’s not a strictly controlled apples to apples comparison. Me and Jay are friends and have been putting our cars against each other after each mod I’ve done to see how they compare, just some buds having fun with our Mopars. Because of that we know how dramatic the performance improvement has been so far. Besides did you want me to be like “sorry Amy, can you get out and stand on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere for an hour while we run these cars?” Not a chance man! I mean, if you’re really skeptical and have a stock Scatpack I’d gladly validate what we saw in the video for you. Haha
It was just the launch we wanted to take out of the equation because the cars were really even after that, we just wanted to see what would happen because from a roll they were dead even.
Yea it’s that torque converter down low I’m pretty convinced. Roll races were all dead even. I want to find a manual scat for an apples to apples comparison.
The kit from comp cams is $1,300 USD. That gives you most of what you need to do it. You’ll still need small things like gaskets, head bolts and lifters if you swap them out.
I would love to line up with a manual Scat to test engine vs engine, but they're hard to find! After a couple tweaks with my setup and a tune the next year I did beat an auto 392 at the track back to back, but it was extremely close.
The 8 speed in these cars are amazing. It makes it harder for us 5 speed guys and manuals.
The 8 speed is a great transmission!
Yeah they're pretty crazy, they shift so fast and at the perfect shift point, it does make it hard to beat, especially in a manual. Those 8spd autos are very unforgiving of the competitions mistake in a race.
@@PotatoeJoe69 I feel like it’s more than just the speed of the shift, I know I shift really damn fast in my manual, maybe not quite as fast as the 8 speed, but I think the torque converter on those things really lets you put the hammer down off the line.
I thought I wanted a manual when I was shopping, thought I wanted a bright color too. In the end, the automatic made more sense, and especially if wifey will ever drive it, but so far in a year and a half she's too scared. LOL And I didn't want unwanted attention, especially from LE, so no lime green or orange!
The automatic is outstanding, one of the best transmissions I've driven. It is ALWAYS in the right gear, shifts are seamless up and down, and in sport mode it's super crisp, instant shifts. I'm still getting used to paddle-shifters. Coming from the stick-shift history, they feel like a new-fangled toy. I always thought they were 'indy-car wannabe' buttons. LOL One of those try-it you'll like-it kind of deals.
@@TrackPackRT that and since it has 8 gears they can be shorter, allowing it to accelerate quicker, def would help if we could fit the 8 speed in the older cars lol :P
Great video brother. When I was just cammed and headers my races with Scats were the same (stock 5.7 is not even close) except I kept up a little better from a dig (I have an automatic) and they would take me on the big end. Once I got the converter, I would smack them off the start and then they would gain at the big end (sometimes I would win sometimes the Scat would win) making it a 100% drivers race. LOVE seeing you bang those gears brother! Need to see more of it!
Are you taking about a torque converter when you say converter?
It's funny that my experience is the opposite! From a roll, and up top me and a 392 are dead even. Down low though he pulled on me like I accidentally hit the brakes! haha. For auto cars a good torque converter is no joke, lots of great ETs to be had with one of those up your sleeve! I'm keeping tabs on what you got going on, fingers crossed for you to hit those 11s again brother, cheers!
@@TrackPackRT thanks brother! Getting the 3.09 installed today (23 Sep) and will hit the track next weekend and will let you know what happens.
@@BloodyEnviouZ Yes. I have a 3800 stall torque converter.
Thank you for being honest about this stuff. I get hate on my stuff because I tell people you can’t beat a 392 with a tune and headers on a 5.7. For some reason, people think headers add 100 hp. You’re still holding it down bro. The manual makes it much harder
Definitely agree, always got to be honest. Even if things don't go as planned, sometimes that's the fun of modifying your car, learning and tweaking things until you get what you were looking for. haha It's crazy what some people would think will give you power, and how much power, let alone give you crap for just being honest. I guess that's the good thing about being able to document your experience though, the results and numbers will speak for themselves. Cheers Donny!
Add a cam, 3.09 rear diff, and a good CAI, ported heads, and throttle body you will beat a 392 easy
@@terrymitchell4579 Need headers and dyno tune. I have those exact mods and just need to install my headers, and either a 392 or similar cam. Then, you're either even or walking a 392.
@@fire398017 true, I forgot to add that
Great comparison video 👍 you have totally convinced me to cam my 19 5.7.
Nice! Not going to lie it’s a lot of fun to drive!
Doesn't even sound like the 392 even revved up. Maybe find someone who knows how to drive the 392 next time.
😂 You got me, I told Jay before the race, “okay man let’s race each other the same as last time but this time but this time you have to shift at 3000”. How many gears do you think that automatic has! Haha. Thanks though, it’s always good to start the day with a chuckle. 😂
Both are nice cars, but honestly at 5:58 when you take off it doesnt even seem like the 392 is ready he doesnt even jump or move at all really. Guess he just was watching you leave. That's not a race.
@@tiredone8151 yep! That was the point. Jay just wanted to see with the launch out of the way if he could pull on me and gain ground, which he didn’t. After finding that out we decided to try a roll race as we realized the 2 cars were really close through out the rest of the rpm range.
@@tiredone8151 did you have the audio on mute? Go back and watch it again with audio.
I'll take a 5.7 cammed R/T
Excellent comparos. Now I'm pretty sure I'll just stick with my stock 5.7. LOL Sport mode is just a hoot. The '19 got the track-pack included, so it's lower and firmer, handling is excellent. I may add a strut-brace, and look at other tires as the stockers wear out. I need to buy some kind of striping, maybe a hood black-out. ;)
The newer track packs handle much better than my 09! Good tires is a must I think.
I have 315 in my 15 RT & it still doesnt hook good in the street, at the track it grips like a dream. Im modding my rt as well! Want to make it quicker.. have some parts in shelf waiting until i tune my rt.
Man, love the videos. I have a '14 w/6spd, too. Just some notes. The 6.4 intake uses the long runners in the lower RPM range, which is for increased torque. Then, around 4800RPM, it switches to the short runners for in increase in HP. You can look up videos on UA-cam for dyno graphs and actually see the switch around 4800. One other note, the Stainless Works headers are 1 7/8". Believe it or not, our 5.7's do better with smaller 1 3/4" headers. The difference is in the lower RPM range (2400 - 3200RPM). The smaller tubes help scavenging more, in that range, and torque is up 15+ ft.lbs., over the larger tubes. Up top, the larger tubes only give you about 3 or 4 HP advantage. If you know who Richard Holdener is, he wrote a book about late model Hemi performance. He dyno'ed a 5.7 test mule and proved this with actual numbers. If you ever stroke your 5.7, that's when those SW headers will show their advantages.
If you were to do the 6.4 intake mod, that purple Charger's gonna be in trouble. 😎😎
Yea I got it backwards in the video, but had seen a lot of dyno pulls with the swap showing the gains down low and through the meat of the powerband. Not "more power" per se, but more under the curve where it's useful. I've thought long and hard about this swap but I'm leaving myself open for the possibility of switching to another intake I really like that happens to have a pulley coming out of it..if you catch my drift. haha
I love Holdners channel, he does some super interesting comparisons. I never got a chance to run with my buddy Jay again after this, but soon after I swapped out the phase limiter for a phase lock and ended up with an extra 20 or so hp. It's been a fun journey so far!
@@TrackPackRT I'm picking up what you're putting down. Haha Boost! Centrifugal, or Positive Displacement? I'm going with a CamMotion custom grind and they said that I'd need to lock the phaser, too. It has a 113° LSA, with 3° advance ground in. Definitely don't need pistons tickling the exhaust valves. These 5.7's can really make the power, when done right. There's some guys in Texas that put down almost 520WHP, on E85. The car has the 6.4 intake, as well. 520's gotta be close to maxed out.
hey man you have a cool page, I just subscribed, I'm new to the Mopar family about 3 weeks ago I just got a 2016 Challenger RT 6 speed manual and I love the car so far it's stock it just has a borla exhaust and 275 tires opposed to the stock 245 other than that bone stock for now, I love your content, cheers from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
Much appreciated man! Sounds like you’ve got an awesome car! Stay safe out east, I’m happy at least we’ll have some world junior hockey coming up to watch! Cheers!
I did a few pulls in my 2018 300s with the 5.7 vs a 2011 or 12 charger. This was back when I was bone stock. I gapped him again and again and I KNOW it was because I have the 8 speed auto and he had the 5 (I believe). Kept pulling on him between his shifts. About to swap out my intake manifold for the 392 intake manifold this weekend. Thanks for the videos man!
Sounds like your ride is coming along man, good luck with the install!
Let me know if it was an easy swap! I have a 16 5.7l & want to get the most hp i can, without SC & crazy engine mods.
Right now i have an srt exhaust .25" bigger than the stock, a hellcat intake, e85 kit. Not installed: 90mm TB, ported 5.7l intake, gutted 6.4l cats, hellcat injectors. (Thinking of a MMX cam that requires no tunning, no spring/mds delete/limiter & added 30whp more no tune, can probably get 10 or 15 more with a tune)
I heard the 6.4l intake is a noticable upgrade for the 5.7l, but rn prices are crazy.
@@Mroswaldo16 Sounds like you got a sick ride coming along! I just did long tube headers, high flow cats and a 3" exhaust from Magnaflow this past week (took like 15 hours of work).
As for the 392 intake manifold, the swap itself was really easy honestly. Took me like 3 or 4 hours. Noticed a nice bump in torque immediately (before I even got it tuned). After I got it tuned, I got another 30 ft/lbs of torque out of it and like 10 horses. No check-engine lights, nothing. The physical install itself is cake. The hard part for me was all the wiring to get the active runners working, that took me another week to figure out. You can just direct swap it without the wiring and activating the runners and it will still run perfectly fine with no issues, you just won't feel it pull as much on the top end.
Prices are kinda crazy right now. I waited a little over 3 months to get my 392 intake manifold because I didn't want to over pay. I got a used one on Ebay for like $450 eventually. Best of luck and let me know how it goes if you end up doing it!
@@idunno3639 what do you needs to do for the active runner to work?
I can solder wire, so that wont be a problem. Always wanted to install the 6.4l intake, but hearing the active runners, wiring etc just gets me lazy lol, since its my daily, i needs to do all the mods in that day so i can still use my car.. a guy wanted 1k for 1 with the active runner switch but seem pricy to me.. ill see what i ended up doing. Just sent my pcm to hp tuners. I might even get another set of used 5.7l heads & give them a port job, so i can learn & if i go with the camz get them install over the weekend since im thinking it, really hard about going with the small cam that doesnt require any other parts other than gasket from MMX..
@@Mroswaldo16 @DonnyR/T has an entire video Playlist dedicated to the 392 intake manifold swap on the 5.7 (link below).
m.ua-cam.com/play/PLjckPw8sVJfYgC_sO_ETE5LfXSKoINSlp.html
His videos on the subject were a HUGE help and I can't credit him enough. He lays out each part you need in detail and provides links to websites with the parts and part numbers. You'll be happy when you get a tune man, you're definitely going to see some power increases!
You also raced a automatic. My cammed rt runs a 12.4 according to my performance pages. I'm yet to get to the track and put that time down.
That’s a good time! There’s no doubt the 2 different trans combos play a part, I know that active runner intake definitely helps with down low power a fair bit. I’ll be excited to try it out after throwing in a phase lock on my car soon.
@@TrackPackRT after I installed the 6.4 Intake the car gained a significant amount of low end. I definitely recommend it if you plan on staying N/A.
Hey it's Brian in Oklahoma with the 15rt that had the Stage 2 hrt comp cam. After my dyno tune, I bought and had a 6.4 intake manifold installed with the active runners set at 4800rpm. Man it is amazing how much faster it accelerates and smoothly to the top rpms.
Those short runners really do make a difference, it's such a cool design by Dodge. It definitely makes me want to try one out.
@@TrackPackRT O am using a stock 6.4 air box now. I have a Hellcat throttle body and adapter, but I cannot get it to hook up to the 6.4 air box because the adapter adds just enough that it will not fit the 6.4 or 6.2 airbox.
What #’s are you putting down WHP & WTQ from the dyno?
6.4 intake
fastman bored(not ported) 87mm TB. Khaos also makes a nice one too
Tune everything so they all play nice
Leave Jay's 392 in the dust
Those 6.4 intakes seem to be pretty kick ass! I don’t think it will fit on my 5.7 though, my initial research is telling me.
@@TrackPackRT The 5.7 eagle heads came out in 2009 to today so yes, the 6.4 intake would fit. of course, you would have to wire it all up for the runners to kick in at 4800 RPM but there's plenty of videos and forum articles to help with that. It would help get rid of that "plateau" you have in the high RPM range.
Good runs guys! 👍👊 Both rides are dope.
Yea man! Jay’s SRT is a really awesome ride!
Are you going to add the 392 intake and try the 392 Charger again? That would be interesting. I did everything you did but I added 392 intake, 425 whp dyno tuned on dynojet dyno.(I also have a manual).magnaflow 3" hi Flo cats,srt manifolds with stock hellcat exhaust and hellcat lower airbox.I HAVNT RACED ANYONE.
@@stevesutton9200 nice work those are some great numbers! For now I’m leaving my intake stock as I have a real urge to replace it with an aftermarket one that makes a funny whining sound if you get my drift. Haha
Yes,I too want the whine soon.probably procharger since I went with the 392 intake.id like a magnuson though.
ive got a tuned all stock 5.7 with 3.90 gears and the 392 scat cant get away from me so i think ill smoke the 392 when i get my cam in and long tubes and new tune
You should definitely go up on you diff gears the 392 comes with a 3.09lsd the rt got a 2.62 open
All 6 speed cars have 3.92 gears.
Good advice for those with auto RTs though.
Brian in Oklahoma, did you ever get a 6.4 intake manifold with the msd window set at 4800rpms. It really helped the smoothness of constant accelerations to 125 to 130 easy. Im pleased with. Now I have my 6.4 intake ported to 92mm because I have a Hellcat 92mm tb im going to install to see what happens. I have Covid-19 right now and my kids. So, it will be a minute.
Need to get a run against a 392 with my new setup. 392 cam LT headers and maggie 6psi
Nice, I love those Maggie blowers! The guy getting dyno tuned right before me had a 392 with a magnuson blower, he put down 550 whp. It was a pretty cool setup! So much torque he could barely hook though haha
Have u ran em yet
Why would he? Thats a different league? Lmao..@just_a5.7
Hey man I’ve been wanting a 392 intake manifold for my white 2014 challenger 6 speed and I’m fixing to put in a stage 2 comp cam from HRT but I can’t find a 392 intake manifold for the life of me, once I get that I can get a bigger throttle body and a new cold air intake and the rest is history for me
Sounds like a great plan! 💪
Very interesting 😎
Thanks
Raleigh's channel this was a fun one to do!
That is a nice build to start if you decide got 392 intake manifold it is definitely worth the upgrade if not going FI like positive displacement
I didn’t think the 392 intake manifolds would fit an old 5.7? (08-14)
@@BloodyEnviouZ it will fit 2011 and up 5.7's
I had a 2011 awd rt and it fit same setup i have now on 16 rt road and track
Whoa Weezy I didn’t know that, and do you mind letting me know why it fits 2011 but not 2010? ( I have a 2010 Challenger R/T ;-; )
@@BloodyEnviouZ different cylinder head port design
Long runner builds low end torque short runner supports higher power in the upper rpm band.
I wonder if the Torque difference between Stock 392 and Modified 345, is the reason he's jumping up like that 🤔
I think the torque converter of the automatic plays a big role in that. I would love to test a manual scat vs my car so the transmissions are the same and it's a more straight across comparison.
@@TrackPackRT I have a modified RT also (3800 Torque Converter, LT Headers, Stage 3 Cam, 3.09 LSD, etc.) Same thing happened to me vs. a Stock 392, from a dog they jumped out 1 length or 2 and we evened out, from a roll was closer until he got to higher speeds (guess the difference was the Torque and Transmission 5spd vs 8spd)...
What lift & duration is the cam?
I have a 15 RT & i want to cam mine, byt so undecided to which one to go with. MMX came out with 1 that doesnt require spring, mds delete, limiter. Etc. & ut added 30whp to a ram with stock tune.
Im going tune mine with
90mm TB.
Ported 5.7l intake
Catless srt exhaust.
Hellcat intake k&n filter.
E85 w/hellcat injectors.
Have 2018 durango rt.
Which way do you recommend between Supercharger and cam.?
Thanks
Ooh that completely depends on your budget and power goals. They’re both good ways to go. You’ll make more power with a supercharger but it’ll also cost over 6k compared to the 1.8k a cam kit will cost you. Both will require a really good tune to run properly. Cam + headers will get you between 400-420 whp depending on your cam. Supercharger + headers will put you in the 550 range. There’s definitely a few variables but both are great options when done properly!
What all is done too your car besides the HRT Stage 2 cam kit? Anything like throttle body, headers etc?
Powerwise just long tube headers with high flow cats into the stock catback and the HRT cam. That's it!
If you haven't changed the mufflers do that and a drop in filter like a green. Should help with your issue.
There’s a chance the pipe diameter on the exhaust is restricting it, but when I got together with my tuner to do the dyno tune we figured the phase limiter was the big reason. I’m putting a phase lock on it shortly and then re-tuning to see how that helps us. I do have a k&n filter in there, took it out to clean it yesterday and didn’t realize how dirty and plugged up it was...oops! Haha
@@TrackPackRT yeah that'll do it lol the mufflers on the rts and even srts are a restriction so I'd change it as well. 2.5 pipe would help too, my gf's rt has 2 and a quarter and my car came with 2 and a half so I'm changing to 3 inch. Just my .02 cents.
@@sambo92 All RTs have 2.5 except the new ones (2017) have 2.75.
@@captainboose8788 my gf's 09 had 2 and a quarter so that's not true. My 08 srt has 2 and a half.
@@sambo92 Possibly different for Chargers, but Challengers 2.5 For RT, 2.75 SRT 6.1
Awesome
Cant compare the 5sd auto rt they just are to slow only way to compare is using a 8spd auto with a cam cause i beat scat packs.and i got a 5.7 with basic bolt ons
I suppose...I don’t have an auto though...
Have you considered going to a one piece Aluminum Driveshaft vs the two piece OEM driveshaft, it eliminates the resistance of the center carrier bearing and the center CV joint? David
I thought about it a little, but heard that some people were having some issues with vibration ect with a one piece drive shaft. Have you replaced it on your car?
@@TrackPackRT Yes I have, I am running the 4" Aluminum driveshaft from the Driveshaft Shop it is rated for 1,000+ HP, I had a center carrier bearing failure on my OEM driveshaft, the rubber support ripped completely off of the bearing. I replaced the OEM with another OEM but could not get the center bearing failure out of my mind. So I went with the single piece driveshaft and so far at 100mph no vibration at all, they balance the driveshafts now on a 1,950rpm machine, they are a lot better than they used to be, No Regrets here. I've been watching your 5.7L HEMI upgrade progress I like that you've stayed true to the 5.7 engine. David
My bad it is a 9,500rpm High Speed balancer.
@@David-qf9gp wow that's a failure you don't hear of too often! Very interesting. I always wondered if a drive shaft like that could shave a tenth off an ET or even make the throttle response a bit more snappy. Kind of how motor mount upgrades can. Thanks man, I appreciate it! I love my 5.7!
You see, I want to get an R/T but I know I’ll regret not getting the scatpack 😩 bc that’s what I really want.
I always say get the most trim level you can afford and go from there. If an R/T fits the budget, get one! If it’s going to be a fixed budget for quite awhile and a Scatpack just isn’t in the cards, no worries, pretty easy to get that power without spending a lot, especially if you can do work yourself. The great thing about all the Hemis is they all can make serious power. Take a look at your budget and make a plan. I’ve got some great head to head races with a 392 at the drag strip coming up since my latest dyno and tune that you’ll probably be interested in!
I think it’s those cradle bushings you’re hooking up
They make such a difference! Even if you spin it's so much more manageable.
Hard to compare a DIG stick vs auto better to do a stick 392 car in my option
I agree. With 2 manual cars you take the drivetrain variables out of it and can compare straight motor vs motor for how much power they put out.
What the weight difference between your challenger and his charger.
Would of liked to see a roll race with the stock 5.7
Player 2 Has Entered The Game We could have but honestly it wouldn’t have been close. That’s right where I picked up the most power from my cam and headers and it’s right where the stock 5.7 runs out of breath.
I would love to run my cammed and full exhaust with cold air black 2014 6 speed I don’t know what cam I got I bought it like this but it sound nasty
& thats a A6 challenger. If it was the new A8 it would be quicker! *first pull they did
Autos definitely have an advantage off the line! The roll was pretty even. I was finally able to beat a 392 back to back at the track this year after swapping my phase limiter with a phase lock and re-tuning. It’s still really even though.
The automatic transmission used pre-2015 was a 5-speed, aka NAG1. The 8-speed was used post-2015, 8hp70 or 8hp90.
So your car at that point was just a cam and headers? And a tune correct?
You are correct sir.
Wow big diffrence....
Do you have a Barton shifter. It’s night and day for me.
No but I want one bad!!
Gotta get one man, I love mine!!!! Pretty easy install!
He gets the hit on you cause he has a bigger motor...your 5.7 is a cammed so your power is more up top
Sort of. I mean the cam I put in has a good rpm range that is still pretty low so it’s not all upper mid and high end power. My 60’ time has gotten slightly better now than it was when I was on the stock cam so I know I’m not just dying off the line. The 392s are really torquey from a dig, they’re designed that way, but the awesome intake design they have really does help power and torque down low without sacrificing top end power. It would make a fair bit of difference on my car. I would like to get back together with Jay and run again now that my setup is tweaked just right and pretty rock solid, he’s been working out of province so although we keep in touch it may be next summer before we can try again. I’d still really love to find a manual 392 to line up against so it takes the transmission/converter variable out of it and just see how they stack up.
@@TrackPackRT the active runners would help...they have nice shorty manifolds that also aid torque down low
Can you tell how much you spent until this stage so with those two mods and the link to them?
So in this video you didn't have a cold air intake and an exhaust?
Nope, no CAI I still don’t have one. This is just headers and my cam that’s it. Still the factory catback. I think I spent around 3 grand or so.
@@TrackPackRT well, that's very very good then, i will do the same, then maybe i'll add a CAI and an exhaust
It would be a quick ride that’s for sure! CAI would be more of an asthetic or purely sound thing as they really don’t add any hp. If you have a newer model you’d be better off doing a Hellcat air box mod.
Track Pack R/T did you install everything yourself? I’m getting a comp 274 and long tubes and I got quoted 9k 😂 for parts labor and tune. But sadly there aren’t any performance shops in my area. I might have to figure it out on my own.
@@joshuaforbes1612 yessir. I have a 4 part video series of the install. 9 grand for install is pretty insane! Damn!
The 392 shifts hard. I have one
Absolutely, those A8s are pretty awesome.
@@TrackPackRT yeah they are. My brother just got a 2019 SS with the 10 speed. Now I have some serious competition now. The 18/20 5.0s are also very quick. I need to upload some content on the SS whenever I run it
@@Chestnut1998 absolutely! I know when I run the 5th Gen SS right now they have me by about a car in the 1/4 mile. We’ll see how that changes by the time I get the car back out in spring. I imagine you’d probably still beat out an SS pretty consistently but it would be a really close race.
It all comes down to gears …… the rear end
@@stevensilvas1986 years later I’ve raced a lot of Scatpacks and SRT 392s at the track, beat a lot of them, but I have yet to come across another manual to take the transmission variable out of the comparison. I’m still curious how it would shake down.
Both cars running the same gear ratio ?
No he’s 8spd auto and I’m 6spd manual. He would’ve had 3.09s and I have 3.92s. Both factory gears.
What’s the song in your intro?
Aftermath by Royal Tusk. Their guitar player produced my bands first 2 records, they are talented and super nice dudes!
That scat with two people is nearly 600 pounds more use your head. Never race with passengers thats why you see some scats pull hard on these cammed RTs with only having 1 person
😂
Well I know you’ve never met Amy but she’s about 5’ 2” and about 100lbs soaking wet. If you’re going to call out a serious performance differences on that it’s a big stretch. Besides we know there’s a weight difference between an SRT Charger and my Challenger, about 300 lbs. There’s also a difference in transmissions. It’s not a strictly controlled apples to apples comparison. Me and Jay are friends and have been putting our cars against each other after each mod I’ve done to see how they compare, just some buds having fun with our Mopars. Because of that we know how dramatic the performance improvement has been so far. Besides did you want me to be like “sorry Amy, can you get out and stand on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere for an hour while we run these cars?” Not a chance man! I mean, if you’re really skeptical and have a stock Scatpack I’d gladly validate what we saw in the video for you. Haha
🔥🔥🏁
Shoulda gave ya a 2 car lead , tooted 3 times, launched simultaneously.
It was just the launch we wanted to take out of the equation because the cars were really even after that, we just wanted to see what would happen because from a roll they were dead even.
if u had the 8 speed auto i think u could get him
Yea it’s that torque converter down low I’m pretty convinced. Roll races were all dead even. I want to find a manual scat for an apples to apples comparison.
Have you got your car updated
Not yet! It's still parked all cozy and warm in the garage hiding from winter.
Good vlog man...392’s come w/ 3.09 differential gears...check those out
My 6 speed comes with 3.92s. The torque converter in the autos definitely helps them down low. We’ll see how things turn out this year!
How much does the cam cost
The kit from comp cams is $1,300 USD. That gives you most of what you need to do it. You’ll still need small things like gaskets, head bolts and lifters if you swap them out.
Please get some thicker sticky tires
Haha not without a wide body I wouldn’t. Although really the 555rs I have on it grip really really well.
@@TrackPackRT I currently have 305s in the back and I love it
@@omarp1989 I have a buddy with them, they stick out just a little further than I would go just on personal preference. What tires did you go with?
What is the song from your intro
The song is “Aftermath” by my good friends in Royal Tusk.
I’ve come to a conclusion… I’m keeping my stock 5.7 and getting a 6.4 next
Either way there really is no bad option to be honest!
Auto vs stick go figure 🤔
I would love to line up with a manual Scat to test engine vs engine, but they're hard to find! After a couple tweaks with my setup and a tune the next year I did beat an auto 392 at the track back to back, but it was extremely close.