Defunding the Police | What is the Personality Profile of Police?

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  • This video answers the questions: Can I analyze the theory around defunding the police? What is the personality profile of law enforcement officers?
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  • @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104
    @jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 4 роки тому +350

    I diagnose Dr Grande with 'Sensible Personality Order'.

    • @BijahD
      @BijahD 4 роки тому +6

      I'm beginning to wonder about Dr. Grande's ability to understand the real world in a practical sense though. He is way too heavy in the theoretical for real-world things that he attempts to analyze in this format. For example, as he often does, he misses a MASSIVE/CENTRAL issue in this video and that is the issue of TRAINING/Re-training, et al, et cet LIKE IN MOST JOBS!!! He speaks of police SO superficially, it's almost child-like; as if people just sign up to be police and that's that. In the whole video he said not word ONE about how people become police - what all is involved - the training, the tests, etc, etc. He offers no data about how many police are college educated or might have backgrounds in psychology or mental health or medicine (emt) or all the different skill sets they need to employ at a moments notice. This video seems to conclusively demonstrate that Dr. Grande has never consulted actual police or knows no one in boots on the ground law enforcement. Could it be that police do what they do because they are TRAINED that way either through education and/or from real day in day out experience?? His theoretical knowledge is strong but I wouldn't trust him to change a lightbulb....

    • @user-qo7vq6yx8q
      @user-qo7vq6yx8q 4 роки тому +10

      @@BijahD stfu

    • @wyattcote4228
      @wyattcote4228 4 роки тому +1

      @@BijahD u r opressed loool

    • @BijahD
      @BijahD 4 роки тому +3

      @@user-qo7vq6yx8q Strong argument.....?

    • @JMM33RanMA
      @JMM33RanMA 3 роки тому +9

      @@BijahD You forgot to mention that many recruits to police forces come from the military. That and the "militarization" of our police forces makes two red flags.

  • @noshrinkingviolet007
    @noshrinkingviolet007 3 роки тому +191

    💯As a citizen that doesn't break the law, I still have had a few run-ins with cops that were unsettling and I attribute it across the board to their sense of superiority over the people they serve.

    • @indoororchidsandtropicals358
      @indoororchidsandtropicals358 3 роки тому +7

      Depends on the cop, city etc. Where I live, I've never had a bad experience until recently over a parking ticket which was a mistake I made, but really it was the fault of the city not having a sign there, and the cop was a total jerk to me when I called. I had drawn a map and taken photos of the area in advance to send them etc so the city could fix the situation and he was just completely rude. However,, the police in Salt Lake city, with one exception, are on a total power trip. You should see the video of them arresting a nurse in a hospital who is doing her job and when they get pissed at her supervisor for not allowing them to violate a patients rights, they take it out on her and arrested her.

    • @pauladuncanadams1750
      @pauladuncanadams1750 3 роки тому +5

      You must be a white dude, or a pretty blonde.

    • @thomashyle6098
      @thomashyle6098 3 роки тому

      @@indoororchidsandtropicals358 and if it depends on the cop and the city whether there is law on a moment to moment basis, that is a description of a functionally lawless situation

    • @thomashyle6098
      @thomashyle6098 3 роки тому +4

      @Katie P. ten years ago, Harris County TX Jail (Houston); jail guard sheriff deputy (some are deputies, some are just COs) asks free civilian nurse for date in hallway. She politely declines. He punches her in the head, knocking her out in a hallway full of mentally ill inmates, then walks away, leaving it to the inmates to protect her while she is unconscious. True story.

    • @melodieperkins7080
      @melodieperkins7080 3 роки тому

      @Katie P. I agree with you

  • @shylocie595
    @shylocie595 4 роки тому +164

    My husband has severe mental illness. He he's been brutalized by police officers. He's been pistol whipped, stripped naked and thrown into a filthy cell for 28 days of complete isolation. When confused he asked a police officer for help but was forced into a bus to a city 45 minutes away instead of helping him get home. I had been searching for him.They have teased and laughed at him. At a park he said hello to a police officer and the officer stopped him and demanded his ID. I know to never call police for help when he's in crisis because they escalate the situation. I'm afraid they might shoot him. He's been beaten many times by them. He's a good man who takes his meds and doesn't drink or do drugs but sometimes the meds stop working. He says if he had been born black they would have already killed him.

    • @Springfeeeel
      @Springfeeeel 4 роки тому +48

      I have schizoaffective and was beaten and brutalized back in February 2012 by the cops. I won't go into detail but they lied about the entire incident in court and well, now I'm a felon for 3rd degree assault... something I did not do. Most cops do not care at all if you have a mental illness.

    • @melissam597
      @melissam597 4 роки тому +29

      This is so sad

    • @shylocie595
      @shylocie595 4 роки тому +24

      I'm so sorry you went through that.
      You are a valuable human with much to offer. Don't let the brutality of others take that away.

    • @darlalathan6143
      @darlalathan6143 4 роки тому +11

      I'm so sorry!

    • @katrinetroelsen
      @katrinetroelsen 3 роки тому +15

      I am sorry for you and your husband. At this point sadly most people have realized that calling the police is just not an option, at least not one thats gonna better the situation.

  • @Rachel-vz6gw
    @Rachel-vz6gw 4 роки тому +415

    Your calm, levelheadedness is refreshing

    • @scorpion-fs7pg
      @scorpion-fs7pg 4 роки тому +7

      @Liza Tanzawa idiocy got us where we are and will keep us from change certainly not calm level heads.

    • @kaym.2854
      @kaym.2854 4 роки тому +4

      @James Black It's great hearing the take of someone who served. Somehow low motivation is never considered but equally just as crucial to performing well.

    • @torgosaves427
      @torgosaves427 4 роки тому

      @The Senate what does this mean?

    • @youcrazycat1
      @youcrazycat1 4 роки тому +3

      Yes. I think listening to an actual policeman is helpful. Same with teachers but nobody ever asks for our input.

    • @DianeLStyma
      @DianeLStyma 4 роки тому +2

      I agree! Educated & calm

  • @bluemovie76
    @bluemovie76 4 роки тому +599

    psychological background checks for police officers

    • @h.borter5367
      @h.borter5367 4 роки тому +20

      Yes. They don't do that. Don't they do that in the military?

    • @trintrin2714
      @trintrin2714 4 роки тому +71

      They also have to have mandatory deescalation training. If a hair stylist has to take more hours in order to train for their profession then officers need to have more training to properly handle civilians.

    • @bluemovie76
      @bluemovie76 4 роки тому +10

      @@trintrin2714 this!

    • @SueP-D
      @SueP-D 4 роки тому +47

      Actually they do psychological testing for police applicants, at least where I live. I know this because my friends son failed the test 😆

    • @darkhorseman8263
      @darkhorseman8263 4 роки тому +31

      Currently, they ban anyone with an IQ of above 106 from becoming an officer. The test weeds intelligent people out.
      They deliberately recruit dumber individuals who follow bad orders, and who they can delegate blame to when things go wrong.

  • @CalmingTheChaos
    @CalmingTheChaos 4 роки тому +110

    I really appreciated hearing that the personality profile necessary to be an effective police officer is basically unattainable. Thanks for breaking this all down, and for presenting possible solutions to the problem!

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +8

      Calming The Chaos I think we need to apply the law to all people, irrespective of their race etc. People openly vandalizing public statues need to be arrested and charged, period.

    • @joanlynch5271
      @joanlynch5271 3 роки тому +3

      I feel like you could say that same thing about just about any profession.

    • @thomashyle6098
      @thomashyle6098 3 роки тому +1

      that shows that the social model they enact is an ineffectual one; to task a human with being ethical with unaccountable power, and to identify the magical human who can be treated thus without disaster, is not a wise goal orientation.

    • @doryfishie2
      @doryfishie2 2 роки тому +1

      @@thomashyle6098 They're not getting any magic humans with police being so hated and the low pay. When no one wants to sign up, it's only going to attract the exact types of people you don't want in the police. Police are also necessary because crime doesn't go away with a defunded police. There's no perfect solution. It's not great but it's better than nothing, it could be improved if they're committed to it though. Every country has a police force, developed countries generally do quite fine, except the US for some reason.

  • @karensimonpeterson3574
    @karensimonpeterson3574 4 роки тому +56

    I have done A LOT of research on this “defund the police” idea and have never seen that it means to get rid of the police altogether. I support the idea of more social and mental health workers and less militarization of the police. Your five points are excellent. Thank you for ALL of your videos. They make my day!

    • @nancyayers6355
      @nancyayers6355 4 роки тому

      I think it's horrible, HORRIBLE. I don't want some renegade, unvetted "police" group protecting ME!

    • @FairelightSilverwing
      @FairelightSilverwing 4 роки тому +2

      Karen Simon Peterson I have seen some of the research you speak of. The term "defund the police departments" is completely inappropriate for the actions authorities cover with this label.
      What does the public think they are requesting when the say "Defund the Police!"
      So many terms are misinterpreted and politicized to indoctrinate voters to vote for concepts they do not understand that may bring them ruin

  • @SueP-D
    @SueP-D 4 роки тому +222

    Yeah, “Las Vegas - now with more serial killers” doesn’t quite have the charm of “What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas”

    • @neuralmute
      @neuralmute 4 роки тому +27

      Well technically, if a Las Vegas serial killer gets you and keeps your body parts as trophies, what happens in Vegas is *still* staying in Vegas. Just in a slightly different form.

    • @laurahire7208
      @laurahire7208 4 роки тому +5

      3:34 I love the choice video quotes. That was my favorite, SueP-D. 😁

    • @SueP-D
      @SueP-D 4 роки тому +4

      neuralmute Ewwww🤢😂🤣😂😅

    • @RawOlympia
      @RawOlympia 4 роки тому +6

      yeah, it ends up in a suitcase in the desert just outside of Vegas

    • @morticiaheisenberg9679
      @morticiaheisenberg9679 4 роки тому +4

      🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

  • @paulabrown6840
    @paulabrown6840 4 роки тому +144

    Pre/employment psychological testing especially to weed out sadistic
    tendencies should be a priority.
    I believe this job attracts people who love to dominate and inflict pain.
    Rather than emphasize de escalation training the emphasis should be on screening out abusive personality traits BEFORE hiring.

    • @michaelzurilla7639
      @michaelzurilla7639 4 роки тому +22

      As a friend of mine said, anyone who spent too much time in a locker during middle school should not be a cop. Anyone who spent too much time putting someone in a locker, Also should not be a cop

    • @katherine-hd9fy
      @katherine-hd9fy 4 роки тому +2

      Paula brown I said the same thing the other day I completely agree with you

    • @am1d
      @am1d 4 роки тому +5

      Paula Brown these tests are very easy to cheat. On top of that, if they sift out too many candidates, the police will have even less people than now. America should start not with personality tests, but gun control, including in policing. There is nothing wrong with deescalation training, if it is effective. From what I have seen, yank police is poorly trained, which creates dangerous situations for everybody: the officers themselves, the suspect and the general public. The death of the guy they shot in the parking lot with the tazer snatching accident was EASILY preventable. Oh yeah, and the court bias towards law enforcement must go. Guilty means guilty.
      Cops should be trained to help and love people. What do you expect from a cop that is told he can do whatever if he feels remotely threatened. That is cheap. Just ask for cop trainers from Europe :).

    • @backintimealwyn5736
      @backintimealwyn5736 3 роки тому +3

      you will always have them , you can't avoid it, it needs to be taken into acount and managed. We're talking about recruiting people that should be able to pull a trigger on someone else but never be mistaken when they do so, able to make this kind of decision under high stress and pressure while accepting to constantly evolve in a violent and dangerous environement, and would not be sociopaths. Do we even realize how hard such a personn is to find? Do we realize that under stress people can snap? People can become hateful, people can developp psychiatric issues and go unoticed , alcoholism , drug addiction. Then do we realize how much that rarity of a personn is going to be paied and the hell of working conditions they are going to be put through ? And then read stuf like "most cops are bad" "uneducated" "stupid" "racist". Good luck looking for your unicorn , it's just impossible.

    • @weelee4352
      @weelee4352 3 роки тому +2

      I don’t believe that being an officer means you must like dominating and inflicting pain. Officers are just as human as us civilians, they’re not monsters. They have the potential to become monsters but who doesn’t have the potential of doing something horrific. Being a cop is probably appealing to those that like to have authority but with good intent (protecting the public, maintaining order and enforcing the law).

  • @madonnabryant9617
    @madonnabryant9617 4 роки тому +4

    From a former law enforcement officer: I loved the video and your analysis. I come from a law enforcement (father) and mental health (mother) background, which I believe helped me with all aspects of the law enforcement profession.
    You train to always be on guard and leary of individuals because you never know who might want to harm you. Unfortunately, you encounter a high volume of negative interactions in the community and experience horrific situations that can make you have a completely different view on life. I think it would be a wonderful idea to have mental health professionals partner up with law enforcement officers to provide that service to the community but also to provide it to the LEO as well.

  • @jonisoma5726
    @jonisoma5726 4 роки тому +118

    ...I love listening to Dr. Grande....like, we need to learn these things, he is so easy to listen to.

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +7

      Joni Soma - his rationality shines through

    • @nurseratchet555
      @nurseratchet555 3 роки тому

      Joni Soma he actually outs me to sleep 👌

  • @markstahl1464
    @markstahl1464 4 роки тому +17

    It is amazing to me how you can calmly analyze and dissect a topic that would have me ranting and raging maniacally. Well done!

  • @lorenfulghum2393
    @lorenfulghum2393 4 роки тому +79

    I was a little nervous when I saw this title, but as usual Dr. Grande has the reasonable opinion.

  • @macmedic892
    @macmedic892 4 роки тому +79

    7:02 "...across three of the five personality traits." I can hear the OCEAN in the distance.

    • @kathryncarter6143
      @kathryncarter6143 4 роки тому +3

      Ha ha, good one

    • @sventer198
      @sventer198 3 роки тому

      😂👏🏻👏🏼👏🏼👏🏾

    • @thomashyle6098
      @thomashyle6098 3 роки тому

      I smell the social effects of low conscientiousness all around me ;)

    • @macmedic892
      @macmedic892 3 роки тому

      @@thomashyle6098 That’s just a rapid COVID screening. Is there a foul odor? Then you don’t have The ‘Ro.

  • @quintincole1357
    @quintincole1357 4 роки тому +96

    I support all your recommendations.👍

  • @philipallard8026
    @philipallard8026 4 роки тому +54

    I have worked closely with certain police in a civilian role. I think the job is more complex than can be addressed in a fifteen minute video. For example investigators do different jobs than enforcers. Unfortunately police can get cynical through working with law breakers for a long time. Some come to believe that everyone they encounter is a potential law breaker and a hazard. There needs to be more innocent interaction between citizens and police to overcome this.

    • @myriamguns2162
      @myriamguns2162 3 роки тому +2

      @Michael Alber
      It's not clear to me which part of Mr. Allard's remark you are responding to?

    • @thomashyle6098
      @thomashyle6098 3 роки тому +3

      most come to learn there are so many frivolous and selectively enforced laws that between that and their 'qualified immunity' to false-arrest at will, no matter how blatantly, they go around saying 'the average citizen is committing four felonies and doesn't even know it" to threaten people, is what most come to learn. They learn that a 'criminal' isn't someone who breaks the law, but someone who doesn't submit and conform.

  • @cecilycornishphdleadership9658
    @cecilycornishphdleadership9658 4 роки тому +16

    Dr. Grande I love your videos! I have viewed many of them. As a retired Sergeant at the Detroit Jail and Airport and being born and raised as a Black American, I have felt the stings of institutional racism (i.e. denied housing, jobs promotions, bank loans , etc.) and have seen it with my own eyes. African Americans have been criminalized from slavery just trying to unionized and ask for fair wages. When my race migrated to the North from the South many of the Blacks that were given criminal records for standing up for their rights to fair wages, fair jobs and equality. Today, look at the television, Worldwide, Brazil, London, Asian, Africa and other countries are standing for Blacks to be treated fairly and not to be murdered in the streets in cold blood for a traffic stop, walking down the street, and for basically living Black in America. The murdering of Police is a true reality and it is done by both Black and White Officers. As a officer and Sergeant, I was tested many times to the "Brown Code" to protect my officers even though they would assault, and deny inmates of their Constitutional Rights. However, many times as a Black Woman who loves America, I know that Blacks are Criminalized by a Justice system that is unfair and unjust when it comes to arresting, detaining, incarcerating, and murdering our Black men. I do agree that Mental Health workers must work with Police Officers and that we need the Police. I supervised the mental health floors within the jail system. I also escorted mental health inmates to the hospitals, etc. I like your solutions and would suggest like the L.E.I.N . that reports criminal records nationwide, I suggest a L.E.O.N. L.E.O.N. means Law Enforcement Officer Network and would provide all Police and Law Enforcement Agencies (i.e. FBI, ATF, CIA,Homeland Security) to be a nationwide database to report officers with high citations, shootings, and other violations. The idea that Police are above the law is based in a Criminal Justice System that views Blacks as Criminals and less than human. In addition, I saw a lot of ego, and the abuse and misuse of police brutality and racism within my years at the jails and airport and I continue to see it with the recent murders of George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks.

    • @bertc2314
      @bertc2314 Рік тому

      God bless you Cecily I hope you are prospering and in good health.

    • @rhdtv2002
      @rhdtv2002 Рік тому

      Institutional racism is a farce

  • @tiffykitty1694
    @tiffykitty1694 4 роки тому +42

    Thank you for covering this topic. I think the mental health of police is extremely important considering the amount of power they have over citizens. All of the police brutality I've seen these past few weeks has shaken me to my core. Enough is enough already.

  • @garyr1934
    @garyr1934 4 роки тому +119

    Excellent topic
    Watching now
    But the topic itself especially addressed by you is very necessary

    • @3_up_moon
      @3_up_moon 4 роки тому +10

      No mention of this *actually* being done in Camden, NJ and their crime rate going down by almost half!
      Unfortunately I think Dr. Grande missed the boat on this one.
      Nobody is perfect!

    • @evelynwaugh4053
      @evelynwaugh4053 4 роки тому +5

      @@3_up_moon The Camden NJ PD was defunded after a study determined that it was so infected with corruption that it was fundamentally unsound. This is not a typical situation, and every community is not the equivalent of Camden.

    • @3_up_moon
      @3_up_moon 4 роки тому +7

      @@evelynwaugh4053 I think it's more common than not.
      If it werent that common, we wouldnt have so many extrajudicial killings by police officers all over the country.
      There are more bad police/sheriffs departments than there are good ones. As long as they are the "tax collectors," there are going to be these problems.
      They are a revenue stream
      And the poorer a place is, the more drive there is for the police to make that money and therefore become more violent and forceful.
      Their goal isnt to make the community a better place it's to secure more money and power.

    • @evelynwaugh4053
      @evelynwaugh4053 4 роки тому +2

      @@3_up_moon In a country of 328 million people, a few killings are not statistically significant. If an isolated department has problems, something is going on in the values and behavior of the community, the department's leadership, and its top city officials' values and how its expectations are communicated. Large cities have problems not necessarily shared by rural communities. Generalizing isn't accurate.

  • @AnnikaOBrien
    @AnnikaOBrien 4 роки тому +27

    Extremists decide who the enemy is and if you chose that profession, regardless of your motive, personal experiences or record, you are now a target. I’ve seen people worship or vilify entire groups my whole adult life - police, bankers, teachers, doctors, mental health workers, etc. Some folks don’t have the ability to understand nuance, this is why we need more creators like Dr. Grande to explain the underlying “what could be going on in a case like this” in videos.

    • @josephlopez6165
      @josephlopez6165 4 роки тому +1

      Identity Politics, as a phenomenon that the In-group does not realize it is experincing, is fascinating to watch happen. As you say, every group is singled out by a mob and forced to be Frankenstien for a while. Being villified is energizing, though. We have to look at the positives, I guess? :) Being a whistleblower and former debater, former peace officer, I have seen how quickly career LEOs form up a shield wall and create a bubble of reality that does not correspond to the public good or consciousness. If systemic abuse of power exists, and we don't even have a national database of police misconduct or Garrity and Sovereign Immunity instances, then perhaps the people who make the laws can now stand up to police unions and other forces that encourage policing for profit and ego satisfaction.

  • @19alligators
    @19alligators 4 роки тому +128

    I thought this was a really clear analysis and your ideas were smart too!

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +2

      Liza Tanzawa we wuz kangz wid flyin pyramidzz n shiett

    • @its1110
      @its1110 4 роки тому

      The way the World seems to work... they are too smart.

  • @pocoeagle2
    @pocoeagle2 4 роки тому +17

    "Doctor, you got 26K more subs in just 11 days". I'm sure a few years ago, you would have said to me; "Are you kidding me"? Thanks for all the hard work you're doing for us, Dr. Grande 😃🇳🇱

  • @JellyBeanInTheNight
    @JellyBeanInTheNight 4 роки тому +47

    This was the most intelligent discussion of this topic that I’ve ever heard. Thank you.

  • @alierikenoglu8006
    @alierikenoglu8006 4 роки тому +175

    Dear Dr. Grande, what are your thoughts on the "militarization" of many of our police depts, having military grade weapons? Also, many police hires come from ex military situations, some having seen active combat. What might the impact of these issues be upon their duty to "serve" the public? As always, thank you for your videos, I feel that you do humanity a great good. Peace be upon you and your loved ones.

    • @lisasmith516
      @lisasmith516 4 роки тому +20

      We the PUBLIC, ARE THE ENEMY. I have a Justice Studies Degree. And some experience with community policing effects.

    • @kikihowe4799
      @kikihowe4799 4 роки тому +9

      Lisa Smith I doubt very much you have a degree because if you did you would not be making such a stupid uneducated divisive comment .....

    • @alierikenoglu8006
      @alierikenoglu8006 4 роки тому +13

      @gotsda ...well I've lived in NJ since 1961, and I have never known a moment in my experience or in my memory, where what you have described was ever necessary. The only spaces where such lethal force, weaponry and tactics were ever used was in TV series where police and "swat teams" are glorified when those in the inner cities are brutalized.
      My thoughts on the matter? That we have a society that lives up to the retoric of how "great" this country is supposed to be.
      Of the things that makes me hopeful are efforts by those like our good doctor here :)

    • @alierikenoglu8006
      @alierikenoglu8006 4 роки тому +26

      @Roy Futrell ...Hi Roy, forgive the intrusion and my response to a question you posed to someone else...
      If by "anti-fa" you mean anti fascist, I would imagine most of us would be (and want) just that. Ultimately, I would rather live in a nation run by the government where "we the people" can hold the government accountable.
      Being pro fascist ("pro-fa"?) is the real danger....being run by corporate power/big business...who are more influential than the government and citizenry combined.
      In my view, since we live in a "pro-fa" nation, many have "pro-fa" oriented opinions and sadly have little idea.
      Peace...

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +1

      loving those thoughts

  • @alexandracash8106
    @alexandracash8106 4 роки тому +19

    This is fantastic. I've never had enough knowledge to form an opinion on this topic and you really did some amazing explaining here. Great ideas that make a lot of sense to implement

  • @HenryPh_am
    @HenryPh_am 4 роки тому +58

    I think one problem with the Law-less argument is the police isn't the embodiment of the law themselves. You don't need a law degree to become a police. How does one enforce the law if they don't understand or don't know the law themselves?
    A 4 -5 months of training doesn't cut it.

    • @jguenther3049
      @jguenther3049 3 роки тому

      LEO call home.

    • @lindabishop7824
      @lindabishop7824 3 роки тому +2

      I agree that the police don't have enough legal training.

    • @fogweaver5633
      @fogweaver5633 3 роки тому +1

      In Europe, many departments require a 2 or 4 year degree before considering any applicant. Just the extra experience in dealing with a wide range of people would help, even if the degree wasn't law or social work related. Those with a college education tend to be more open to experience and less authoritarian, more authoritative.

    • @RightCenterBack321
      @RightCenterBack321 3 роки тому +2

      And many folks with law degrees aren't the embodiment of the law themselves. What's your point?

    • @Lina_al_j
      @Lina_al_j 3 роки тому

      its never gonna be perfect - not all people are perfect representatives of their profession. like not all doctors are perfect, but do you wanna defund hospitals and just make people try to heal themselves?! psychologists are not perfect either - even we have problems, there's even jokes about that, but that doesn't mean we should not have psychologists anymore either etc. etc. thats just how it is. of course we should strive to make things better, improve their training and I love the ideas dr. grande gave on this, but defunding is def not the answer imo.

  • @Vanyx1000
    @Vanyx1000 4 роки тому +120

    Everyone would benefit if police officers learned about psychology.
    Love your content Dr. Grande, your input on these various topics are always thought-provoking and informative!
    edit: Thanks for the replies guys! Had fun reading them. Some interesting perspectives.
    Just in case a police officer is reading this: Remember, you can't hate someone if you understand them. Other than that, calm your trigger finger.

    • @SammyJay92
      @SammyJay92 4 роки тому

      I totally agree.

    • @TheRealBamboonga
      @TheRealBamboonga 4 роки тому +3

      You think cops would use psychology as something other than a weapon?

    • @Vanyx1000
      @Vanyx1000 4 роки тому +1

      @@TheRealBamboonga That's problematic yes. I would just have to assume that they're honest people who would use their knowledge for good. Maybe wishful thinking?

    • @DevlVergil
      @DevlVergil 4 роки тому +15

      Tbh, everyone could benefit if they learned about psycholgy. Never understood why they wouldn't teach basic psychology classes in school.

    • @michaelc.682
      @michaelc.682 4 роки тому +4

      Might be kinda hard to offer psychological therapy to a guy high on methamphetamine charging at you. But hey, what do you know about being a police officer? NOTHING

  • @shiginope
    @shiginope 4 роки тому +18

    when it comes to dealing with police, i’d recommend reading angela davis and her theories on the matter. also, there’s so much irony in the fact nypd went on strike out of spite, and crime rates went down!

    • @Cat-yn5jc
      @Cat-yn5jc 4 роки тому +2

      The recorded rates probably went down because no one was catching the criminals, they just got away with whatever crimes were committed.

    • @craigistheman101
      @craigistheman101 3 роки тому

      K M if no one is paying attention how do you know that it is higher?

  • @natashagold7877
    @natashagold7877 4 роки тому +46

    I wish you included the history of policing in your analysis because it has an impact on police culture.

    • @sheridagreen2125
      @sheridagreen2125 4 роки тому +15

      Good point . He rarely (if ever) profiles black or brown folks . Why wouldn't we need more resources in underfunded communities beyond a police state? Idk , I like his analysis but think he's a little off base with this one. Maybe an expert in most things , but I think is a lil uncomfortable when it comes to issues of race and culture.

    • @lissaw4
      @lissaw4 4 роки тому +6

      Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. The history of policing is incredibly important to at least outline in this discussion. It unfortunately has a very heavy hand on police culture.

    • @lissaw4
      @lissaw4 4 роки тому +4

      @TradingKid1998 I'm actually from Camden. I now live in Massachusetts. The police brutality, excessive force and risk of being killed is still very real. The county took over our police because of corruption and police brutality. Yet, lately it's been shared as though we are all good now in Camden, which is frustrating. I know that wasn't your point of sharing that, I just needed to say it because the way media has spun it all lately just feels like they are erasing us all over again.

  • @ilovegeenadavis
    @ilovegeenadavis 4 роки тому +16

    I wish a social worker was required to be acquainted with every police officer , not only to help diffuse, but bc social workers are notoriously better at recording and writing down situations from an objective position, unlike police.

    • @weirdandlazy1
      @weirdandlazy1 4 роки тому +3

      Lluvia DeOtona social workers also enable the system of incarceration of vulnerable populations

    • @josephlopez6165
      @josephlopez6165 4 роки тому

      Innocent until proven guilty. Shouldn't the officer warrant requests and other prosecutorial review requests for additional investigation in felony cases be supervised by the Public Defender? We are taught in debate classes to routinely switch sides on arguments, it helps to see all the perspectives better. Our officers in law enforcement might try to change culture to realize true Peace Officer status, not a militarized War Officer mentality.
      Misdemeanor Court is well within the capabilities of a well trained officer. No lawyer required, and the maximum consequence is a year in jail, not prison. City jail for up to a year, though, is still a lot if the dynamic Dr. Grande discusses manifests and it is just a case of contempt of narcissist cop. Maybe public defenders offices need to be in charge of a review of misdemeanor cases for rights violations, errors in procedure, and rule of law issues in general.

    • @ilovegeenadavis
      @ilovegeenadavis 4 роки тому +1

      Joseph Lopez I see your position, I hear you, I just don’t understand why the same officer who shows up to a bank robbery shows up to a suicide attempt

    • @ilovegeenadavis
      @ilovegeenadavis 4 роки тому

      when we know they don’t have that type of training

    • @josephlopez6165
      @josephlopez6165 4 роки тому

      @@ilovegeenadavis The hybrid system I was trained in was the result of civil unrest in Albuquerque. The school system defunded the government in a way, when a 1971 riot sparked by a juvenile arrest attempt at an until then peaceful riot in Roosevelt Park spilled over onto the Textbook Building area, and they burned it down and hurt employees. The schools hired a former FBI agent who had helped to investigate the Mississippi Sovereignty Commission murders, to provide a security force to respond when the city, county and state had no one to send, like in the riot. They did other things too, like become self-insured, since the State Insurance Authority was not helpful. I was trained as a police officer who could take that basic training and then go to specialized NON police training to address the needs of the school district. We needed people who could catch burglars, not someone to write reports about it. We needed a way to address life safety at crowds that might get rowdy. We needed people trained in arson and vandalism investigation, with the ability to close cases and get restitution, not nothing. The department slowly mutated into a police department, using the Columbine murders, as well as others, to justify it. The funny thing? I was the supervisor at JeffCo, where the murders occurred, a few years later when the lawsuits about the deaths came back. They told us to disarm, and focus on safety. The cops were responsible for detecting, preventing, investigating, and building a case on murderers, not principals and safety folk.
      Specialists who respond to each crime, not necessarily armed up cops, is what we did for years at APS when the cops had no one to send. Ironically, the City of Albuquerque, after shooting a bunch of people who didn't deserve to die for contempt of cop, are doing something similar. They are going to do the very thing you speak of - train up a Safety force that is unarmed and not in traditional uniform, to respond to mental health issues not involving imminent threats of death.

  • @frederickbuchanan4537
    @frederickbuchanan4537 4 роки тому +54

    A few years ago I got to know several police officers personally and we occasionally socialized. I was startled by how widespread heavy drinking, very high-stakes gambling and spousal intimidation was among these men. The term “mean drunk” was brought vividly to life. The way some of the police wives held their breath and tiptoed around their husbands taught me more about the abusive relationship than patient interviews ever have. Behaviors this pathological don’t pop up the day after a cadet graduates and becomes a police officer. They’re deeply rooted. What exactly are the psychiatric screening criteria for police cadets?-although I’m afraid I already know the answer.

    • @josephlopez6165
      @josephlopez6165 4 роки тому +5

      The form that Psychiatrists have to fill out is here, for New Mexico. When I got my Police Radio Dispatcher Certification in 1988, New Mexico was one of the few states to certify dispatchers. They have a pretty decent vetting process, and have had certification processes for officers much longer than many other states, but the initial screens are not routinely re-done, only upon some specific administrative trigger, usually subject to mediation by the union. I've been an association representative and elected official, as well as sitting on the administrative side during negotiations. Police Associations can sway administrative policy in whatever way the negotiators agree upon, without voter input.
      www.lea.nm.gov/forms-and-documents

    • @shylocie595
      @shylocie595 4 роки тому +15

      Who ever Mr.Floyd was that officer has no right to be Judge, Jury and Executioner.

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +6

      Frederick Buchanan - one of my oldest friends has been in the police force all his life, he and his wife are fun, lovely people, decent and kind. I’ve never seen any signs of pathology from him, or his colleagues, only a strong desire to stop criminals and protect others.

    • @dedebarz5748
      @dedebarz5748 4 роки тому +10

      @@dotdashdotdash Thank you for that. My husband has been a police officer for 25 years. He is extremely brave, kind, and honest. Throughout his career, he has served and protected all people, regardless of their race, by always working to secure justice for the victims of crime. I'm proud of him, and I'm proud of the work that he has done and the cases he has solved. It's the trend now to demonize all police officers, and it really does an injustice to the honorable men and women who work hard to protect the people in their communities.

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +8

      Dede Barz - thank your husband for me. There may be a tiny minority of bad police officers, but there are also bad doctors, bad nurses, bad teachers, etc. Just because a few are bad, it doesn’t make them all bad. The police do an amazing job and without them, our society would basically be ruled by psychopathic gangs.

  • @ellenchesnut3227
    @ellenchesnut3227 4 роки тому +36

    I would add creating a transition time between serving in the military in combat and joining the police. This is probably the contributing factor behind the man shot dead in Seattle a few years ago. The policeman had just returned from a tour of duty abroad, and misinterpreted a deaf wood carver holding a knife as an enemy combatant.

  • @almo33YO
    @almo33YO 4 роки тому +16

    Thank you for continuing to take a scientifically, research based video on this topic. My husband has worked in LEO for 15 years and it’s a tough job. The amount of death threats they and their families get on a regular basis is awful.

    • @willnill7946
      @willnill7946 4 роки тому +4

      Well outside of people who have been victims of criminals, people love criminals

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +3

      will Nill - how about those four BLM activists who kidnapped a white disabled man and beat him up on Facebook Live, for the crime of being white. Now that’s something.

    • @willnill7946
      @willnill7946 4 роки тому +3

      Rocio well they were making racial comments. But again if the perpetrator is black and the victim is white it most certainly has nothing to do with race. White people are very well trained to take it and enjoy it

  • @sophiaageitos2763
    @sophiaageitos2763 4 роки тому +50

    Dr. Grande you seem to be describing the extreme version of “Defund the Police”. Less extreme this proposes that some funding moves to desperately needed social services. Move funding to arrest a drug addict to funding a rehab center. Defund the Police in its reasonable form wants to move many burdens off police officers. This also does not mean completely removing the Police either.

    • @christinefaulk6531
      @christinefaulk6531 4 роки тому +9

      Correct. Defunding the police does not mean eliminating the police. It's simply redirecting a portion of their budget to much needed social services.

    • @mwheeler138
      @mwheeler138 4 роки тому +3

      He described a less extreme version in the beginning of the video...

    • @sthompson10214
      @sthompson10214 4 роки тому +6

      Didn't he talk about both types in the beginning of the video?

    • @Bulletproof222
      @Bulletproof222 4 роки тому +5

      Why does that extra funding have to come from police funds? You say problems are caused by these essential services being underfunded, but want to strip funding from one of our most important public services to boost them? Do you not see the problem with what you're saying?
      Defunding the police will only create *more* problems. We need better education, screening, and accountability, not less money. How does defunding the police stop bad cops? Or hold them accountable when they do bad things? Or make sure new cops are properly screened and trained? These are important questions.

    • @lisasmith516
      @lisasmith516 4 роки тому +3

      @@mwheeler138 Not as unbiased an analysis as he hoped, I believe.

  • @toolboxevolution7456
    @toolboxevolution7456 4 роки тому +4

    Re personality profile, EXCELLENT choice of topic. I LOVE me some Dr. Grande.

  • @Valerie-Love
    @Valerie-Love 4 роки тому +1

    You are so intelligent and non biased Dr. Grande. Your expertise could really help make these changes 💗

  • @desahnwelch5305
    @desahnwelch5305 4 роки тому +4

    I like that Dr. Grande explains these topics very coherently and logically, another great video!

  • @dollcrazy300
    @dollcrazy300 4 роки тому +44

    Great suggestions! But....yes there is a but. But what would happen to prisons, particularly private prisons, if police were focused on good policing instead of statistics?
    Did you know that there is a prison lobby that constantly pushes to make almost everything a crime? Got to fill those beds. Money, money, money!

    • @haveabanana2930
      @haveabanana2930 4 роки тому +17

      Yes! Exactly, this and the war on drugs (drug users need rehab, not prison) are major problems. They get too much money from locking people up!

    • @dollcrazy300
      @dollcrazy300 4 роки тому +3

      Hannah Bagnall 👍🏿!

    • @darnh6012
      @darnh6012 4 роки тому +14

      @@haveabanana2930 Yes! It's kinda strange that being a drug addict is essentially a crime. If alcoholism was a crime, then a quarter of the population would be in jail. I believe crimes committed while under the influence of drugs or alcohol should still be against the law.

    • @worsethanjoerogan8061
      @worsethanjoerogan8061 4 роки тому +1

      This private prison thing is kind of misunderstood. Most U.S. prisons, like 90% or more are publicly operated. People also have the cause and effect backwards when it comes to prison populations. Privatising prisons was a response to there being so many prisoners that counties and states were going bankrupt trying to keep these prisons operating.

    • @kesmarn
      @kesmarn 4 роки тому

      Yes! You nailed it.

  • @megalopolis2015
    @megalopolis2015 4 роки тому +2

    Excellent, balanced analysis of this difficult topic. It's wonderful to have a voice of reason in these troubling times.

  • @Sweetpea1128
    @Sweetpea1128 2 роки тому

    I have dated a state trooper for 18 years (he is retired) and also worked for him in his investigation business as an investigator and a legal nurse consultant. It has been quite an adventure, and he is quite a person and a bit of a legend in our state and local police departments statewide. I introduced him to the DSM. He loved it. He asked me once if I thought he was in it. I told him we all are. He said, “Well what am I?” I told him I think he is a “well-socialized antisocial personality”. He loved it! He is a staunch defender of women and children, and has worked tirelessly in his day tracking down perpetrators and murderers and getting them off the street. Your video summation is excellent. Thank you for this upfront analysis. 👍🏻

  • @S-R-H
    @S-R-H 4 роки тому +11

    I worked for a psych facility for mostly homeless individuals. We had a crisis team that the police would call and we would pick up the person, either from the police or the ER, and then bring them to our facility, triage the person and find housing and provide a psych appointment, if needed. I believe this helped tremendously to reduce bad outcomes with the police. The training needed to be a psych RN or social worker is immense. Police...almost no training. Police are NOT equipped to deal with the majority of calls they get. Almost nobody wants to get rid of ALL police. It's about taking the money used for military gear used to torment peaceful protesters and hire more people that are trained in social services and community services. There are other ways to handle homelessness and drug abuse outside of arresting and criminalizing it. I am a family of nurses, but I also have family in law enforcement. The police are above the law, literally. Look up qualified immunity if you don't believe it. The system was built on racism. There is no way of fixing it. Good cops that turn in bad cops are threatened, fired, and destroyed. There's no way to fix that. There are other ways to provide public safety that do not include harassing homeless people, civil forfeiture, and seven-figure settlements for murdering unarmed people. This country is so resistant to change it is literally killing us.
    Also, I believe we need a system similar to jury duty so no one person is reviewing use of force incidents repeatedly. That way, it helps to avoid people being too afraid to hold cops accountable.

    • @k.a.2241
      @k.a.2241 4 роки тому +4

      This is exactly right.
      What the Dr is NOT discussing is that there HAS been research on personality and professions. Sociopaths choose law enforcement, military, leadership positions.
      There is also a high incidence of domestic violence among police.
      All the above speaks to personality factors associated with low empathy and low agreeableness, 2 factors you DONT want in civil servants..ie police.
      He is also not discussing how the "defund" movement like you said is really a "re-allocation" or resources movement. Its amazing how mental health professionals can work in violent psych ERs or inpatient units, but manage not to KILL their patients.

    • @artyomarty391
      @artyomarty391 2 роки тому

      well, duh. Cops dont get paid enough to have a masters in psychology in addition to their training. Who the hell is going to work for 50k a year if they have to finish police academy, a law school, and get a masters in psychology?
      and screw your psycho treatment training. That is not the problem
      System is built on racism because racist people like you see what they want to see - racism. Everywhere you look, you see racism. This is because you're one
      and police are supposed to be above the law. How are they to do their job if they arent? Without qualified immunity, cops will get sued all the time making it pointless to do their work. Why would I work for 50k a year if I get sued for the same amount every year even though I do my job perfectly right? (note that its very easy to win a civil law suit)
      and harassing homeless people? Cops just trying to remove them from the streets. Homeless have so many social programs in this country that they're almost a privileged class, they just cant be living on our sidewalks and all because its filthy for others
      Only thing I agree on is decriminalization of drugs and other petty crimes: its unjust and inhumane to cage people for petty offenses

  • @zampano6363
    @zampano6363 4 роки тому +17

    As with everything, education is key. We all have a lot to learn as humans, how to coexist, how to get over the past. BLM doesn't want the police to not exist, just have different first responders for different types of events. Crisis council, domestic council, mental health council. No cops showing up on edge, cops are for criminals and crimes

    • @weelee4352
      @weelee4352 3 роки тому +2

      If that’s the case then we need to fund the police, not defund. In my opinion this BLM movement is built from a false narrative, a conspiracy I would call it. A conspiracy that cops are discriminatory against Black Americans which isn’t true. Every profession has bad apples, what’s important is keeping those bad apples out so they don’t spoil the rest.

    • @zampano6363
      @zampano6363 3 роки тому +3

      Let me repeat myself, education is key. You won't see the problems, if you're not properly educating yourself.
      My best friend, as a passenger in MY speeding car, was made to walk backwards on the interstate, towards a cop car. Not me tho, I was told "I should stay safe" then why is my innocent passenger walking backwards in 70 mile an hour traffic, hands in the air, towards a gun?

    • @weelee4352
      @weelee4352 3 роки тому +1

      The_Hermit's Perspective Education is key but blacks are not oppressed by systematic racism because it doesn’t exist anymore. It’s a false narrative. Drawing conclusions based off little info or evidence. There’s no bigger issue, every thing is handled case by case. I don’t know your friend, I don’t know you, but you have no proof of anything racist happening. You’re just speculating.

    • @zampano6363
      @zampano6363 3 роки тому +6

      My black friend being profiled as a criminal before they even got a look at his face is racism. Point blank period. Clearly, you will never see it, are you blessed? Ignorantly.

  • @sophthepoph8902
    @sophthepoph8902 4 роки тому

    Thanks Todd, I've been subscribed for many months now and am thoroughly appreciating all the sincere effort you apply to your research and presentation. You're my go to guy... seriously, you bring me comfort and understanding with the world and human interaction.

  • @sad_doggo2504
    @sad_doggo2504 3 роки тому

    Thank you, I have felt alone in thinking many of these same things. I can't help but be on everybody's side in a conflict but this issue is so polarizing. Your clearheadedness and empathy are a breath of fresh air.

  • @75YBA
    @75YBA 4 роки тому +30

    Authoritarian parenting style contributes to this culture as well. “My way or the highway” leads to children who abuse people when they grow up and get a gun & badge. Dr. Baumrind established this in ‘67.

    • @martinheath5947
      @martinheath5947 4 роки тому +5

      The much older black generations who worked hard, obeyed the law and gained respectabilty would wholeheartedly disagree.

    • @katybee3891
      @katybee3891 4 роки тому +9

      Clyde Denby all authoritarian parents I know raised children who would lie and manipulate excessively and wouldn’t be able to seek help when they had problems and rather try to manipulate themselves out of the situation or shift blame.
      A lot of them were also engaging in self harming behavior.

    • @gomiladroogies5951
      @gomiladroogies5951 4 роки тому +4

      @@martinheath5947 cringe lord alert wee woo wee woo

    • @dreamof_me
      @dreamof_me 4 роки тому +1

      Clyde Denby establishing and reinforcing rules can be healthily with communication and flexibility to a child’s needs and abilities (for example, a high schooler and elementary schooler having different bed times or different chores)

    • @Camie.in.Philly
      @Camie.in.Philly 4 роки тому

      @@martinheath5947 exactly. We had very strict rules to follow. Beginning in the 1980s and 90s we began raising our children the way we heard on Oprah and Dr. Phil where they scolded the parents for being strict and telling us we should be our children's friend. All respect went out the door and these Kids are now buck wild and spoiled to the point that you can't tell them they are wrong and they truly believe life is all about the individual so they don't take turns and want what they want when they went it smh. 🤔

  • @HumanimalChannel
    @HumanimalChannel 4 роки тому +20

    Theyre at hugh risk of vicarious trauma.
    And compassion fatigue.
    This video is worth a few listens.

    • @JonBernard41
      @JonBernard41 4 роки тому

      A few additional issues:
      Malicious intent.
      Malicious Compliance.
      Semiliterate.
      Self-seekers.

  • @pencilfriendpaperscribbler6032
    @pencilfriendpaperscribbler6032 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for addressing such a difficult topic. Problem solving with regards to complex topics like this one is effortful and tiring. There are many issues to balance. I appreciate the effort you make for these videos.

  • @ajhproductions2347
    @ajhproductions2347 4 роки тому

    More people should be watching this particular video. The analysis of the required mental faculties required to be in law enforcement is like taking the red pill, without having to call yourself "woke" or some other buzz word. I'm proud to be on your team Dr. Grande.

  • @churly9717
    @churly9717 4 роки тому +34

    More stringent criteria during recruitment, classes in how to act human and three counts of overzealous behaviour and you're out. Regular drug tests too.

    • @teresahowick5197
      @teresahowick5197 4 роки тому +2

      Yes yes and yeeeesssss!!

    • @MetalMasterdom
      @MetalMasterdom 4 роки тому +4

      How about my idea of double punishment for those lawbreakers sworn to uphold the law?

    • @sherunswithscissors
      @sherunswithscissors 4 роки тому +3

      How can you take a class in acting human? Until police unions are broken no overzealous actions will be punished.

    • @MetalMasterdom
      @MetalMasterdom 4 роки тому +4

      @@sherunswithscissors I would like to think all classes teach how to act like a decent human being. It's seems to be more of an unlearning process that needs addressed. And I'm not sure where you're going with the unions comment. It sounds like you don't know who the police really answer to for their crimes. 1 entity. The District Attorney. Also known as the Grand Jury. That's what needs abolished.

    • @sherunswithscissors
      @sherunswithscissors 4 роки тому +2

      MetalMasterdom - sorry I don’t agree - the reason Chauvin wasn’t charged right away - the union gives officers 48 hours to get their ducks in a row before being charged. Suspended without pay? the union will pay you. Cities are being strangled by these unions. How many complaints are actually followed up on - I read less than 10%. Name me one officer who was found guilty of killing someone and did time?
      Agree about the DA though - the rot is everywhere.

  • @emarie1513
    @emarie1513 4 роки тому +11

    Looking at the comments first then listening to your video, it’s amazing how different people seem to have heard completely different things from your video. I think you are right about the problems of the police culture, becoming the “them verses us” mentality. Being a nurse working for years in emergency psychiatry I would deal with the police daily. I found them incredibly patient and kind with seriously mentally ill persons. I also found them often rather gullible with persons who were sociopaths doing mayhem, but were not psychotic. It may be because the police assigned to bring EDP’s (emotionally disturbed persons) to psych EDs are generally rookies. I have to say I really enjoyed the interactions I had with these officers in general. I think one answer is to require police to have more education in mental health issues, communication skills, and have all interactions filmed with body cameras to increase transparency. Regular debriefings and analysis of the how officers handled these interactions from people not hostile to authority would need to happen. Mental health workers cannot be substituted for the police, crime does exist, has to be dealt with. Sociopathic criminals already are using public opinion to their advantage to avoid being arrested, when this happens public opinion will swing the other way.

    • @JohnPaul-le4pf
      @JohnPaul-le4pf 4 роки тому +1

      I think you both have some truth to tell, "Marie" and "Liza."

  • @Hinatafan4ever666
    @Hinatafan4ever666 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for demystifying this topic for me. I had a simplistic understanding on a lot of the points you made, and your clear and concise method of speech has helped me to better understand the concepts.

  • @blowitoutyourcunt7675
    @blowitoutyourcunt7675 4 роки тому +2

    We went from Andy Griffith in Mayberry who kept one bullet (in his pocket) and was the kindest most helpful gentleman you ever meet to an officer covered in military SWAT gear who screams orders/demands and if you don't comply instantly you will die (especially if you're brown).
    It only took 60 yrs to devolve and become scary.
    Thank you for your kind, explanatory words! Cheers Doc!

  • @mariee.5912
    @mariee.5912 4 роки тому +5

    👏👏👏great take Dr. Grande. My friend's son has a mental illness and sometimes she has to call 911. Usually thr police arrives before the paramedics. My friend always tells the operator, I don't need the police my son is agressive, but he is not violent. Anyways the police gets there. They have been very good in problem resolution. some of them have experience with mental illneses. There had been many cases involving policing and mental health. Thank you.

  • @jamesvitale333
    @jamesvitale333 4 роки тому +9

    As always, Dr. Grande, I much appreciate your piercing analysis of this complex issue.

  • @betheprotag
    @betheprotag 4 роки тому +2

    It’s amazing hearing the thoughts and opinions of someone who focuses on logic. I’ve never thought it was that amazing a feat to focus on logic but the more I’ve lived, the more scarce I’ve found people pursuing truth or questioning their own cognitive bias. Typically people find this questioning shows a lack of confidence, but it is a necessary process to get anywhere near the truth. Thank you for pursuing logic, all of your viewers benefit from it.

  • @SHurd-rc2go
    @SHurd-rc2go 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you, Dr. Grande. A subject that doesn't affect me; I just hope for the best for all. Stay well. We need your take on these important subjects.

  • @Shadow1Yaz
    @Shadow1Yaz 4 роки тому +19

    I think you should read an article called “confessions from a former bastard cop” the writer explains that nearly all cops break the law and states if we focused on why people commit crimes we could prevent them before police needed to get involved.

    • @nerdieone1
      @nerdieone1 4 роки тому +3

      He still didn't deserve how he died.

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому

      nerdieone1 he probably did

    • @emma-moonlighttarot7740
      @emma-moonlighttarot7740 4 роки тому

      @@dotdashdotdash no one deserves to die just because they wrote a bad check

    • @lisamarielund6292
      @lisamarielund6292 4 роки тому +2

      Koko B Ware So? That cop took it upon himself to be judge, jury and executioner. George Floyd never killed anybody but Derek Chauvin did.

  • @Queen-of-Swords
    @Queen-of-Swords 4 роки тому +22

    I've had a very interesting life. Over the last 7 years I have sued both a Local Authority CPS department and The Metropolitan Police (London, UK). Due to the consequences of Narcissist engaging them as agents. He told tall tales, and they believed him. It became a nasty spat when I kicked back and went public. I became harassed by the local police that worked with the CPS. So personally I believe it would be a very good thing to assess the police for psychopathic traits. During the time this was happening, I had one cop pull up at the lights whilst I was waiting for a bus, and laugh in my face. They seemed to enjoy bullying me, it was a fun game of "kick the hippy". I won my case against the Local Authority, the police wrote and offered a settlement last week for a laughable sum and without disclosure of the documents they have hidden from me for the past 9 years. I have yet to see a warrant for what went on and I suspect I won't, because it was done illegally.
    Far too much power in too few hands.

    • @jguenther3049
      @jguenther3049 3 роки тому

      There's only one possible explanation for Rotherham.

  • @KujahKalade
    @KujahKalade 4 роки тому

    Dr. Todd i’m very happy that your channel is growing. I wish you continued success.

  • @cathyrivera5791
    @cathyrivera5791 4 роки тому +2

    Dr. Grande: Your intelligence, integrity, morals, ethics and humor are greatly appreciated. Thank you

    • @kevinouellette5316
      @kevinouellette5316 2 роки тому

      All that may be true, but you never even met the guy. He could be quick tempered, mean, a law breaker and violent and you couldn't know. Don't be creepy Cathy

  • @jbweld6193
    @jbweld6193 4 роки тому +66

    This all starts and ends with politics. Why not defund the politicians instead?

    • @haveabanana2930
      @haveabanana2930 4 роки тому +17

      Politicians no longer work for the people. From what i understand, we have allowed them to be funded by corporations through citizens united. We must get corporations and their influence out of politics by overturning citizens united. Corporations are not people and do not have our best interests in mind, and neither will politicians if they continue to be bought and owned by these corporations.

    • @briancrawford8751
      @briancrawford8751 4 роки тому +1

      You can't without changing the Constitution.

    • @sleezyastheocean
      @sleezyastheocean 4 роки тому +4

      Why are lobbyists legal? Why dont we defund them first? Shouldnt that be the priority?

    • @sleezyastheocean
      @sleezyastheocean 4 роки тому

      @@briancrawford8751 the first 20 or so amendments are fine, the rest are to shelter congress critters from corruption

    • @RoCkbunny769
      @RoCkbunny769 4 роки тому

      Or both.

  • @kensyskye8965
    @kensyskye8965 4 роки тому +9

    On the point you made about police liking the adrenaline high etc. I was in hospital a couple of years ago speaking to a young nurse and I asked her if she liked her job. I was so shocked when she said “Not really as it’s quite boring unless we get a shooting or something like that” 🤭😥😣

  • @j9andphoenix
    @j9andphoenix 3 роки тому

    The implementation of body cam has been a godsend in assisting in transparency in the circumstances of interactions between officers and the public.

  • @nessiequin
    @nessiequin 4 роки тому +1

    Dr. G hits it out of the park with his thorough and thoughtful analysis, per usual!

  • @MsBettyRubble
    @MsBettyRubble 4 роки тому +60

    At 2:54, you mention that the police used to have some level of respect in the community. That really depends on the community. That's why we're having protests today in support of BLM. Neighborhoods of color tend to fear the police because of the level of brutality they've experienced for decades. It took a police officer 9 minutes to kill a person while knowing he was being filmed. His behavior didn't change. Now that is chilling.
    Really enjoy your channel. Your calm demeanor is so helpful right now and just in general. It's nice to hear the non-judgement in your voice which makes it easier to absorb information without being triggered emotionally.

    • @kensyskye8965
      @kensyskye8965 4 роки тому +6

      MsBettyR. You’re right that was so sinister......He looks like a serious psychopath!

    • @MsBettyRubble
      @MsBettyRubble 4 роки тому +10

      @@kensyskye8965 Yes, he's clearly sick. I started to watch the video and couldn't finish watching it. Then I actually screamed in anger when I saw an officer knock down an old man with a cane in another video. It's no wonder all 50 states in the US and so many countries around the world are protesting the police brutality here. It's got to stop.

    • @MetalMasterdom
      @MetalMasterdom 4 роки тому +8

      You're seeing the world through black tinted glasses IMO. There's much less(if any) difference in non-colored neighborhoods(whatever that means). I see the race card being played here as a major distraction from the larger issue of police violence. My severely mentally ill brother was killed in an incident of police using excessive force. He was white. That's my world. Don't belittle my experiences by saying it's a colored problem. Thanks!

    • @bh5606
      @bh5606 4 роки тому +4

      I do not support brutal police methods. I do think that going into dangerous neighborhoods creates stress, anxiety, fear and extreme behaviors on people who are trying to catch criminals.

    • @josephlopez6165
      @josephlopez6165 4 роки тому +4

      @@MetalMasterdom The police substations are named for dead cops, usually. A rich guy in a nice neighborhood killed Phil Chacon, a domestic violence call. His rook had to drag him out, to no avail,, damn fine job, though. Imagine your training officer getting killed right in front of you, dragging him and returning fire, when you are still green. In Northeast Albuquerque, East of Tramway. Dude, My Training Officer Got Murdered is a sucky screenplay pitch, right? No wonder cops are stressed.
      The training is like our response to school shootings. Varied and sundry. And like our response to the 9/11 attacks. We fight the fights we trained for, the reflexes are to Dunning Kruger and mount up, unfortunately. The CIA tortures instead of winning hearts and minds. The cops, too. Now, we see a want to turn the tables, not seek reform and rehabilitation of community.

  • @janewright315
    @janewright315 4 роки тому +21

    Great video, thank you. One point with which I do not completely agree, however. At the beginning you were pretty careful to differentiate defunding from a concept closer to abolishing, but your later comments seemed to group them together again. If excessive funds of police departments for weaponry, toys (story out now about a $368k swat vehicle Halifax was about to buy, plenty of this is US too) extra time for thinks like marijuana and drug enforcement etc are cut and redirected to more appropriate staff or community groups, it arguably frees up remaining police time and funds for more serious crimes- serial killers, etc. I do think we should legalise/decriminalise and regulate all drugs (this seems to have been successful in Portugal), and establishment a system where drug related questions are dealt with as a medical issue. So for the question of defunding the police, I will have to disagree thay it would result in lawlessness. It seems that it would weed out waste of time and money and re-focus police on serious crimes and perhaps even smaller crimes which have a wider impact on others or the environment.

    • @haveabanana2930
      @haveabanana2930 4 роки тому +2

      Yes!!!!!!✊

    • @travailier
      @travailier 4 роки тому +4

      I agree with your initial assessment regarding @DrGrande 's viewpoint.
      It first appears that he understands there is a distinction... but then it appears that he's grouping them together under the same umbrella... which only adds to the confusion.
      Abolishment is NOT defunding... plain and simple. And abolishment is NOT the same as restructuring/redoing an entire police department (as in what Camden New Jersey did).
      Any form of "lawlessness" would be under total abolishment.
      Defunding is exactly what it means: less funding. But this idea includes the concept of transferring the excess funds to other areas in the community.
      Abolishment is simply to do away.
      These clear distinctions need to be made clear AND need to remain focused.
      For the most part... the "slogan" of defunding the police is an umbrella that would cover both less funding to the police and added funding to the community... but it is ALSO understood that a restructuring of the police culture is paramount.
      There is confusion regarding these ideas which leads to misconceptions and misunderstanding and therefore hurts any meaningful dialog. Then you add people purposefully misinforming others for their own agendas.

  • @kavannahlight5378
    @kavannahlight5378 3 роки тому +1

    What an interesting and poignant review! I served as a military police officer and experienced civilian and federal law enforcement police street duty. I am female and everything you said about the police profile is 100% correct. I left the profession due to the growing and out of control corruption. The pressure to be corrupt is immense!! I live in Collier County Fl (Naples) the sheriff's department here is beyond corrupt. It is so sad to see. Civilian oversight is needed, especially on Police Professional Responsibility Boards. Thank you for such a fair and unbiased look at both questions.

  • @duaneblake7986
    @duaneblake7986 4 роки тому

    Your suggestions make sense, Dr. Grande. Thank you.

  • @coffeedrinker2011
    @coffeedrinker2011 4 роки тому +12

    I'd like to hear an analysis of the Daniel Holtzclaw case from Dr. Grande please.

  • @psycherevival2105
    @psycherevival2105 4 роки тому +2

    I think I’ve been watching too much Dr. Grande because I dreamt about him last night!
    Awesome commentary on the police and mental health etc. it’s definitely a shame that the bad apples are ruining the reputations of those upstanding police officers. It really is a tricky situation. We must be careful to not start to be prejudiced against any group of people whether it’s because they’re wearing a uniform or because of the colour of their skin.

  • @klm7606
    @klm7606 4 роки тому

    I always appreciate your take on things. Just a nice, sound, trustworthy source. Thank you very much.

  • @allyfox5900
    @allyfox5900 4 роки тому +1

    Outstanding episode! As an Australian looking in... you verbalized a lot of the points I had been thinking. Especially about the "brotherhood" mentality & accountability. Hope it can start to change. Thanks for all of your hard work.

  • @tommyegirl
    @tommyegirl 4 роки тому +5

    Dr. Grande, can you do a short video on ocean? What is the definition of each characteristic and how do you score them?

  • @bh5606
    @bh5606 4 роки тому +33

    Fifteen minutes isn't enough time to discuss this topic.

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +10

      Ben Jonson but still 14 minutes longer than the average person’s attention span

  • @asmallbitchybanana
    @asmallbitchybanana 4 роки тому +1

    Your commentary is so spot on , and so extensive and so well spoken. 👌

  • @PolitiPsych
    @PolitiPsych 3 роки тому

    Thank you, Dr. Grande. I’m also a psychologist, and I just subscribed to your channel. I very much enjoy your analytical and common sense perspective.

  • @jasonmorris7764
    @jasonmorris7764 4 роки тому +10

    The idea here is you demand a major change then negotiate down instead of asking for incremental change and ending up with nothing.

    • @3_up_moon
      @3_up_moon 4 роки тому +4

      Exactly, theyve missed the point of the movement. Normally, Dr. Grande is on point with these types of issues but he kind of missed the boat on this one.

    • @novac1990
      @novac1990 4 роки тому

      The system could calapse aswell if moved to quickly. Its very hard to make systems better very easy to destabilize and make a problem much worse. First you need to make sure the changes are sustainable for long periods and reversible if they lead to undesired outcomes. I think its good that pressure is being put on the police but to much will have the opposite affect. The past 5 years police recruitment has been reduced by 65 percent. I can only imagine what its going to be after the recent events. I know several that are now choosing military over police options for jobs.

  • @meganmoore9811
    @meganmoore9811 4 роки тому +14

    Did the switch to para military uniforms in some places change their demeaner? Always wondered... I am for having police.

    • @Fcreceptor
      @Fcreceptor 4 роки тому +2

      It’s possible. The police and other similar agencies are trained by the military. One such example of this military style activity was with Waco. ATF wanted to play war games on a group that could have been arrested without any problems otherwise. I think a big part of it is society. People used to be better about treating others in authority with respect. The amount of assaults on healthcare workers is extremely high as well, and it’s all due to entitlement. People think they can do whatever they want and anyone that tells them no gets assaulted or treated like garbage. No one seems to raise their kids with respect now.

    • @kesmarn
      @kesmarn 4 роки тому +5

      Good point. Also -- supplying relatively small town police departments with tanks and Hummers and other leftover military equipment from various unfortunate engagements in the Middle East and elsewhere might have caused some changes in attitudes too.

    • @grmpEqweer
      @grmpEqweer 3 роки тому +1

      Apparently wearing military style gear did raise aggression.

    • @keith3819
      @keith3819 3 роки тому

      @@DAV1979 The goal is to enforce the law. The DA ultimately determines what the charge will be.

  • @loaleen
    @loaleen 4 роки тому

    it's definitely nice to hear these points brought up calmly, and it's definitely easier to take in this information when presented in this way. but to everyone who appreciates his un-emotional response, try to remember that the people who are getting emotional about this topic have very valid reasons for it, and their passion doesn't necessarily make them any less credible or correct. plus, emotional responses help us remember that these issues are really important and really pressing. i definitely think both tones/approaches are good to listen to and value!

  • @slwtgf
    @slwtgf 4 роки тому +1

    You’d be awesome as narrator on certain series /genres..your words and calm pace of dialogue sink in more than other ppl’s. But more than presentation or narration style, you’re brilliantly book smart AND in experience, common sense “street smarts” . IMO, in this topic especially, Your idea and explanation of ‘lesser of two evils’ is right on, and is an award 🥇 worthy theory/essay ..ALL precincts need watch this!!

  • @SymSne
    @SymSne 4 роки тому +18

    I think you need to look into Right Enforcement Agencies and polycentric law. We don't need to have a monopoly of police nor law.

  • @foojengmusic39
    @foojengmusic39 4 роки тому +31

    Could you please do a video on Prince Andrew and his interview regarding Jeffrey Epstein?

    • @poponachtschnecke
      @poponachtschnecke 4 роки тому +4

      JCS Criminal Psychology did a good one on that

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +2

      Also do one on the downfall of ex-Prince Harry after marrying the grandiose narcissist, Meghan Markle.

  • @aaagh444
    @aaagh444 4 роки тому +1

    Love your insight. Very thoughtful and well put

  • @CynicalBastard
    @CynicalBastard 4 роки тому

    This channel is the best source of positivist and scientific outlook.

  • @snoopy1977
    @snoopy1977 4 роки тому +9

    I was with a man before and after he was a cop...the personality change was like night and day. He turned into a completely different person.

    • @kensyskye8965
      @kensyskye8965 4 роки тому +2

      Baumer77 in what way?

    • @dotdashdotdash
      @dotdashdotdash 4 роки тому +3

      I have a friend who is a police officer, he and his wife are lovely people. I’ve known them 20 years and they have never been anything but decent.

    • @SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10
      @SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10 4 роки тому

      I had the same experience. He became a total dick.

  • @Tech215Studios
    @Tech215Studios 4 роки тому +5

    I’m not a words smith like you Dr. G but I’ll say this. The recent events with George Floyd was a horrible act of racism and hate and that’s gotta stop in this country. BOTTOMLINE. Cause I feel like 95% of the population regardless of color gets along just fine. It’s that 5% that is creating the racial tension in this country. I really wish everybody would just treat each other with respect and be courteous and nice to each other. In terms of the Police I feel the same way. It’s that 5-10% that make them look bad. At our University we have a team of constables and Guards that are 95% comprised of former and retired State and County Police of all different backgrounds. I agree with you we need to get them help when they have mental health issues. I don’t think a lot of people consider when being pulled over for example, what the officer could be going through in there life that day. They could be under stress, depressed, feeling pressure from the boss, going thru a divorce have a sick child, we don’t know. So when the person being pulled over gives them an attitude or is rude the officer has a higher chance of “Bad Decision Making” or “Making a huge error in judgement. BOTTOM LINE: Things need to change and we all should be communicating and working out our differences. Everybody needs to have empathy and be compassionate - and it needs to start RIGHT NOW. Or things are going to get UGLY and FAST!!! If we don’t band together and work this out all of the progress we’ve made over the last 50 years will be a waste and that’s a real shame. Great Video as always!!!

    • @Tech215Studios
      @Tech215Studios 4 роки тому

      Kasia it’s all so complicated. There are times where the cops are just doing their job and regardless of race people act irrationally and force cops to make a move. Black White it happens to all Races. Then again there is the misuse of brut force, police brutality. It’s all very complicated and so many instances were the circumstances are different. But regardless things need to change. Weather we like it or not we only have one earth to share and we’re all different and need to learn to just be respectful of each other. Same with religion, sex, age. I honestly think as every generation of people are born, racism especially will diminish. Kids today are more blended than ever. Something that wasn’t as prevalent in say my parents generation. It’s sad to say but I honestly think once the people that are in there 60, 70, and 80s pass away. There will be so much less of this shit. Kids being born today aren’t subjected to racism like prior generations before. I honestly think as time goes on more and more - it will hopefully go away. Or at least not be as prevalent. Let’s hope it does so we can grow as a society instead of regress.

    • @darlalathan6143
      @darlalathan6143 4 роки тому

      Of course, rude civilians may also have stressors the officer doesn't know about, that cause "Bad Decision Making" or "contempt of cop" as police say. However, police should be trained in proper threat assessment, so they don't mistake an irate citizen for a violent criminal in a heated argument over a traffic stop or a SWAT raid on the wrong apartment. Reforming police brutality requires changing rules in the police departments, not demanding black civilians show perfect etiquette when arrested, because brutality is against unarmed, peaceful, even sleeping people. That standard of respect for authority provokes cops to brutality. For instance, in the above cases, autobahns, online stores, home offices and self-driving cars would reduce traffic stops and brutality on them. Legalizing drugs and prostitution would prevent police raids on any houses, and therefore on the wrong house. Legalizing public sex would eliminate police raids on men's restrooms or "tearooms" and prevent police brutality against same-sex active men of all colors.

  • @emmel4fun
    @emmel4fun 3 роки тому

    I like your thinking and your opinions, Dr. Grande.

  • @michellebastiani6470
    @michellebastiani6470 3 роки тому

    Awesome take on this topic. It is wonderful to hear someone speaking some level and fair sense on this. When I saw the title of the video I was so happy to see that you chose to do a video on this. It can be such a messy uneven conversation or debate but you took it on with mindfulness and class. I truly wish the people who have the power to actually put new regulations and such into effect would think like this, that would be asking for far too much I'm afraid. Nicely done, as always Doc 👍✌

  • @jodimarie379
    @jodimarie379 4 роки тому +7

    I guess I am very curious about where you are coming up with the definitions for "defunding" the police?

    • @willnill7946
      @willnill7946 4 роки тому +4

      From the word defund probably

    • @linzum1812
      @linzum1812 3 роки тому +3

      will Nill defund in this context means redirecting funds, not abolishing police

  • @roystonsbailey
    @roystonsbailey 4 роки тому +28

    Elon Musk personality profile PLEASE

  • @NickieMonroe
    @NickieMonroe 4 роки тому +3

    I need dr Grande to run for public office or become a high level advisor.
    He has so mucj critical skill thinking its truly awesome. I become he could bring alot of different personalities and backgrounds together.

    • @thomascrumb6286
      @thomascrumb6286 4 роки тому

      Jay Monroe clearly you have no critical thinking ability.

  • @romanesybel8956
    @romanesybel8956 4 роки тому +1

    Calm, reflection, knowledge. Dr Grande to save the day.

  • @juliusejudo
    @juliusejudo 4 роки тому +10

    I would love you to do a breakdown of the personality type of the rioters and looters. What leads them to destroy and disrupt instead of other means that would actually work for their cause and not so blatantly against it.

  • @BeefGold
    @BeefGold 4 роки тому +7

    Hey, he said the alcoholism word! I think that's a tremendous subject to explore. I think cops are mostly bored half to death much of the time. I don't mean to trivialize what cops do, and I don't think the solution is to excite them more often, but when I play through what I understand must be a cop's average day is versus what that cop probably had in mind when he or she decided they'd like to be a cop, I see a huge potential for a lot of substance abuse and something like communal enabling.

  • @jimmygervaisnet
    @jimmygervaisnet 3 роки тому

    Wow! That was very interesting and enlightening. Thank you! I hope as many people as possible watch this.

  • @alexv314
    @alexv314 3 роки тому

    Appreciate your analysis on this topic, very well put.

  • @MetalMasterdom
    @MetalMasterdom 4 роки тому +8

    It's highly likely my brother, whom suffered from paranoid schizophrenia, would not have been killed by police via the excessive use of force if mental health professionals were at the scene. So obviously that I'm for. As well as everything else mentioned. I would also like DRAMATICALLY stiffer punishment for police who break laws. It stands to reason that someone sworn to uphold the law is breaking that oath as well as the law. In a sense they're "more criminal" than citizen lawbreakers because of this. And it would logically follow that they be held more accountable. Perhaps it's too strict, but I would like to see a mandatory doubling in the severity of sentence. Citizen might get 5 years in prison, police officer might get 10 years. For the same crime. Incentivizing them more strongly to be lawful in their actions.

    • @AT-qd2cv
      @AT-qd2cv 4 роки тому +4

      Officers commit these crimes while in a position of trust and power, they should absolutely face higher sentences than normal criminals

    • @rachelsanders2314
      @rachelsanders2314 4 роки тому +3

      Metal Masterdom - Sorry for your loss.

  • @GOPA90
    @GOPA90 4 роки тому +8

    This was more balanced than I expected. Good vid.

    • @michellecollins4974
      @michellecollins4974 4 роки тому

      One of the pre ious ones was a bit offensive in its lean to the left (sorry Dr Grande)

    • @GOPA90
      @GOPA90 4 роки тому

      @@michellecollins4974 Doc definitely seems to lean left, that's why I was somewhat surprised.

  • @oddwad6290
    @oddwad6290 4 роки тому +1

    Exceptional video . Very well thought out and presented .

  • @romanbrandle319
    @romanbrandle319 4 роки тому

    This analysis is spot on in my opinion and I couldn't agree more with the suggested remedy to the problem .