Thanks Mike for bringing Dr. Ted Naiman back on your program. He always brings a common sense clarity to issues of disagreement within the low carb community, and he has an unrivaled ability to distill things down to such a level that anyone can understand it. He is always a pleasure to listen to.
A genuine question, since I really want to stick with keto. How do you get enough daily potassium on keto? I find that I can't eat enough avocado and end up getting swollen from too much sodium, and then have to eat bananas for relief. I don't know how keto people handle this
@@BlessedForever888have plenty of spinach and some sweet potatoes… for the sweet potatoes boil them thoroughly and keep them in the fridge overnight… then eat a small portion. Dont worry too much about the blood sugar spikes…
Nobody makes the obesity issues clearer than Dr. Naiman. I realized I was eating too much fat on my mostly carnivore diet; feeling much better reducing the fat and upping the protein. I’m a senior and most seniors aren’t eating nearly enough protein.
@Foodcrash I’m doing roughly .8-1g leaner protein per pound of ideal weight; am happy with anything around 100g per day. Edit: I’m eating more like 120-130g protein per day.
WARNING: Do NOT cut your fat too much on a keto diet or you will get protein poisoning and die in a couple of months. All lean meat diets are often used to murder unwanted political prisoners in dictatorships, because it can't be detected. Too much of anything is dangerous. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning
This is fascinating to me. I lost 200lbs following a protein centric keto diet. I have been trying to find optimal maintenance by adding fats and I just keep fighting regain. I have been leaning toward consuming a major shift to higher protein and totally craving ground beef. This video was incredibly eye opening and also depressing. 9 years minimim to fight my body sounds so hard. I'm fighting the good fight.
Keto Chaos I think anyone who’s been significantly overweight can never really relax or be “normal” with food; it’s a lifetime project, but look at what you’ve achieved! Take a look at BeatingObesity youtube. Congratulations.
@@willb249 I went from 340 to 225 following Cole. I've put 25 back on and need to get back to doing 48s and 72s. Not going to lie it' s hard for me. My health is better forsure tho.
Yes - Steak and eggs - super best food l. Do this for over 14 years now strictly - no more inflamations, lean body, good skin, good shape over all - now I am 62. Swiss in Paraguay since 2014
@@beautifulrose8619 I recommend spending about an hour investigating the Zone Diet macronutrient balance. Start at 40/30/30 (35g C, 28g P, 12g F) and then adjust from there. Dr. Barry Sears explains how to adjust based on how soon you get hungry after eating your meal. Start there. The more moderate your balance the better. His goal is to manage inflammation. Eat real food from the ground, which means eliminating processed foods, especially if rusty iron filings have Ben "fortified" into the processed foods where the natural nutrients have been processed out. Listen to Morley Robbins' more recent interviews to extend Dr. Sears' insights to a whole new level.
Cathy Cabral I started carnivore at 62, that was 8 months ago. I look and feel 20 years younger. Well my body looks younger, can't erase a lifetime of working in the sun ha.
I agree with dr. Naiman. After I lost a bunch of weight I could not handle IF anymore. My BF is getting lower with PE diet and sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night with hungry, just eat my protein and keep going. It is incredible. Like I lost 40kg, many times along my lifetime, and now I just learn how to maintain my weight low. It's amazing.
That was beautiful the way Ted blew up one Keto myth after another!! Props to you Mike for staying humble and not going Jimmy Moore with the bullshit. Good show. Do more of this please
I left a critical comment on your channel at the beginning of the pandemic (I was overwhelmed with all the sudden new advice) and now have changed my life so much through getting into health content on youtube... HIH, Dr Wahls, Rhonda Patrick.... so many people that changed my life. thank you! (and sorry about that first comment)
Anything Ted Naiman or Ben Bikman gets a thumbs up from the beginning. Only helps that it's also on your channel! Great stuff as always Mike. Keep the info coming !!!!
Yes, love Dr Bikman as well. He’s a revelation. This channel and Dr Bikman are my main go to. I also like Dr Mindy Pelz for her take on women’s hormones. 😊
michael Cariello why’s that funny? Their not saying the opposite things at all - they’re promoting health, but from a different point of reference. So what!? At no material time can I recall Dr Naiman saying insulin is not an issue, which is Dr Bikman’s bellywieg. There is no right way for health and longevity - but there is a wrong way, the standard western diet killing us all. Hence strategic cycling of macros has a lot of merit. Eating strategically through a combination of Time restricted feeding, IF, longer fasts and/or fast mimicking has merit. For me, keto is my foundation but i will cycle in higher protein days and before my period is due, increase good carbs and decrease fat to facilitate increase in progesterone which is critical for women during her cycle. Likewise I incorporate 2MAD and OMAD and time restricted feeding. Quite frankly, I’m grateful for these wonderful clinicians/scientists who have had the guts to step outside the mainstream of nutrition and medicine which is killing us all slowly but surely. Take from them that which resonates with you and works for you, and leave the rest 😊. None of these individuals have ever been so arrogant as to say they have all the answers or have the panacea
Tash 1111 I believe Ted Naiman is trying to reinvent the wheel here. His take on fat and “fat toxicity” is just his version of CICO. He has said himself that the Hormonal Model of obesity and Type 2 Diabetes “is dead”. I’m still not sure what he means by that. He has also said in some interviews that protein calories almost don’t even count when you eat them. In this latest podcast he is saying that eating fat even in the context of a ketogenic diet can cause spikes and raise insulin. No one else in the community is saying that especially Ben Bikman. Where is Naiman getting that from? I wish he would do a better job in clarifying his statements. The good news he still recommends the correct way of eating which is basically just eat steak and eggs. I agree with him on that.
Just finished... man. This might be the best interview (great job, Mike) with concentrated, high quality health knowledge and principles I've ever seen. Kudos!
I was so excited to see the two of you sitting down to talk health common sense again. The protein to energy concept has completely simplified healthy eating for me, and it has become my preferred method of explaining weight loss and weight management techniques to people when they ask me. So thank you to both of you for sharing your thoughts. You truly are helping no doubt an enormous amount of people!
Wow. This is just what I needed to hear. I've been unsuccessful trying to reduce body fat by eating low carb/high fat, though keto tells you to eat heavy cream, bacon, etc. This makes much more sense. I'm definitely going to pay attention to my triglycerides on my next physical. Thanks, Mike. Your channel is AWESOME.
@@Highintensityhealth great.im carnivore, skinny,150lbs.,3 yrs,carnivore, All of a sudden.im getting lots of loose skin.please help me reverse it.thanks High Intensity..
I always know it’s a good episode when I come away with a whole new approach towards nutrition/fitness! Learned a ton this episode :) keep up the good work!
I've been told so many times that I don't do keto right because I eat higher protein and don't add a lot of extra fat. I just practiced listening to my body and I knew that I was more satisfied when I ate more protein so that's what I stuck with. Eating a lot of extra fat didn't seem logical to me so I just avoided it. I was able to lose 104lbs and get to healthy weight even being wheelchair-bound. I'm comfortable with that so I'll continue doing what works for me. Learning how long it may take for my body to continue to want to gain the weight back was a bit of a shock, but I'm hoping that since I gained most of my weight as a result of being in the chair that maybe I'll get a quicker response. Even if I don't I'll continue to eat high protein lower fat.
Me too.i like.leaner steaks on carnivore.ny strip,top sirloin, filet mignon..hood deli meats,cheeses,eggs,wild sardines, salmon in wster,greek yogurt,high grade hot fogs,bita herring in cream.no salt.Never had weight issue,150 lbs..65.Did u get loose skin.i never had it but recently it's just happening.!!?? Any clue how to reverse it
@@davidrodgers4760 Initially my skin was very lax, over several years it has firmed up some, but I think it is unreasonable to expect to lose 100lbs or more without having any loose skin. I do not know about loose skin and not having lost a lot of weight unless it is a result of aging or dry skin.
@@davidrodgers4760 I understand, and it's why I said I do not know about loose skin and not having lost weight. If you've been the same weight for 50 years it's possible that what's going on with your skin it is just a normal part of getting older, but I don't know.
Great talk! Prioritize protein. The quality of fat in hogs is very dependent on the quality of their feed. Traditionally hogs have been fed a high carbohydrate diet and their fat was derived from de novo lipogenesis. A byproduct of the ethanol industry is distillers grains, they are a relatively high in seed oils. In a monogastric such as a pig the oil ends up directly in their fat. Eating commercial bacon as opposed to traditionally raised bacon may have a different satiety effect. Commercially raised hogs may actually be a source of seed oils. I’m still studying the subject, these are preliminary thoughts.
@@duststorm7287 hi.i see lots of your posts..awesome,what else is your total specific carnivore foods.i just got loose skins after 3 yrs carnivore. It just happened,any clue how to reverse it.im about 150ibs 6 ft.always had lean muscles.
I just listened to the entire podcast 2x, then bought the book 2x (and will probably buy more copies for friends and family). The book looks amazing. I've been off grains, sugar, and bad fats for almost 3 years, and have moved from LCHF to pretty much keto. Ted's ideas make a lot of sense to me and I'm going to go about 45% - 45% - 10%carbs. While the low-carb / keto has been good (fasting insulin 1.4, HOMA-IR .03), this seems like a good neutral ground without going full on carnivore. Thanks, Mike and Ted...much appreciated.
Ace interview. It definitely filled in key gaps and disabused some seriously confusing issues in my understanding of things. I’m getting Dr. Naiman’s book for sure.
Steak and Eggs! love it. I can really relate to the nut over eating problem. Makes sense for surviving winter. But thats not hard anymore with a furnace.
@@VladTissescu It's not about balances or extremes, it's about flexibility and science. You still need to keep carbs and fats low which would be extreme for "standard" diet.
vlad1111 i agree with you here. Low is very subjective. When I was trying to go strict keto almost a year ago, I thought I could maintain my same workout routine of 4-5 HIIT & Strength training sessions/week. No way. I would get winded so quickly. When I increased my carbs, my workouts got so much better. Now I want to go full carnivore though, so let’s see how my body reacts.
I think we need to be careful with words like "anti-Keto". Isn't it that this is all just an experiment to find what works best for us, being careful to not eat too much and keep a healthy balance (easy to digest well prepared foods) Skip nuts and Keto junk food)
Mike, love your channel, love this interview and love the fact that you didn't take away the value of this information packed exchange by inundating us with ads like many of your counterparts are doing now like Thomas DeLauer just to name a few. Keep on keeping on bro !
Pretty Bird We have ads to, it’s part of the way to be consistent over the long haul with UA-cam. It’s way more time than one would think to maintain a channel!
@@Highintensityhealth Totally understand and agree with you but you had an ad up front with no disruption during the 1hr + interview while Thomas had a 12 min. segment with 2 ads dispersed within the segment disrupting the flow. End result, I will be more likely to click on a HIH video over a T.D. video....
I love the PE Diet book. I downloaded it a few weeks ago and have been showing to my mom, wife and kids. What you might not expect is that Dr. Naiman has a dry humor that sneaks through in the prose and the diagrams. My daughter is artistic and the first thing she noticed was the high quality of the illustrations. This book is at the top of my recommendation list for anybody who wants to get their diet in hand with straightforward steps. It’s a winner!
In the book, are there exact steps or directions as to what one exactly eats to lose weight? I don't understand ratios since that doesn't give me specifics. He talks in such generalities.
Allison Reece He gives specific formulas for protein first. He recommends counting that nutrient, then either carbs or fats are included in different ratios. The pictures really are useful for understanding how to implement his plan. I have a good collection of low carb/keto books, it this is the one I’d recommend to a beginner or to someone trying to tweak their diet to get a specific result. I hope that is helpful.
Best person I seen explain everything that we can understand on you tube and not getting bored listening to most of these you tubers. he as my attention. he talks to where it just grabs your attention and you want to listen to what he has to say he seems awesome to me but finally someone I can listen to without getting bored with it
Ted is great. Thanks for this. I am doing the P:E diet and really enjoying it. I'm lean, athletic, and 3 years keto. Getting leaner and with more definition
Fantastic! 👌 Loaded with the best information. Mr. Mutzel, as gracious an interviewer as always🙏🏻 Dr. Naiman- my hero. Yes, please transcend religiosity 😇🙌🏻💪🏻 Seriously couldn’t appreciate this more!thank you😊
Its the protein that is giving me the health. I follow Ted Naiman's protein to energy ratio diet. I eat high protein and eat only the carbs that i need for that day. Honestly it works better than when i did Carnivore or Vegan. Look at how fit i am without much exercise at 42 years old. Both carbs and fats can cause energy toxicity and that's what causes insulin resistance. Ted Naiman is spot on.
this is the information i was looking for because i have been low carb for 4.5 years lost weight now regaining and not understanding high morning blood sugar level. thank you so much
I love listening to Dr. Naiman. His explanation on personal fat threshold, insulin resistance as a result of energy overflow( in form of fat)...these are in line with what Dr. Fung also said. I ve been doing keto and IF for 2 years, only crave fat and never carbs, but everytime i let myself going overboard with fat, i put on weight abdominally :-( ! So energy definitely counts like it or not...i know it sucks as i can eat butter all day long....
@26:00 this is true on me. Not a T2D but I follow LCHF. Each meal usually has an energy split of 65% fat, 25% protein and 10% carb. Fasting glucose is always higher than what I like it to be. After hearing this, took out the extra added fat in dinner so its energy split changed to around 35% fat, 48% protein and 17% carb. The next day fasting glucose is the the lowest I've ever seen (15 points lower than my normal fasting) and ketone is way up. Repeated several times got similar results. Still playing around with the %. Interesting stuff....
Thanx for this interview! This is absolutely valuable information! In my opinion, Ted is a very intelligent guy, who really thinks through the important questions… excellent!!
The overloaded fat cells come from the carbs and not the fat you eat. Replace carbs with protein and fat that will allow you to lower the calories enough tp loose weight. Best is actually to cycle into intermittent fasting and full day fasts. Then the amount of fat and protein is less relevant. When you train more protein, when you dont more fat. Easy ...
Trust Dr Naiman to nail it. Outstanding, genuine original scientific thinker, with a great dose of common sense. If you enjoyed this, you will also love the interview with Dr Gominak on sleep, vitamins d and gut microbiome. Thank you Mike, friend, keep conversing. I'll be listening!
Dr Naimam have you worn a CGM and tested an N=1 regarding your fat hypothesis regarding the delay in the spike in glucose? I have worn a CGM and have never seen a spike, delayed or otherwise, from healthy fat consumption.
Regarding fasting, Ted gave the number of 30 calories per 24 hours that can be provided by one pound of body fat. I find this interesting, and have searched for more information or research about this number, fat and muscle metabolism, etc. I haven't found any sources for this information. Does anyone have any sources or places for more information? Thanks.
Awesome video ! It explains why my triglycerides have always been so high. Very informative thank you so much Mike keep up the good work we appreciate it.
This info is so helpful to me. As a T2 Diabetic trying to use keto and carnivore I now know more about adipose tissues being over energized when consuming a high fat diet. I’ve been successful with fasting so will use it to lean out then adapt my macros to body weight size.
Ma boi Naiman with that Cillian Murphy haircut 😎 "Eat your protein" "on whose orders?" "by order of the Peaky f*ing Blinders, mate" Jokes aside, good interview
Interesting. When I was diagnosed with T2D (A1C of 7.1) my triglycerides were pretty low (68). I went on a low carb diet to manage my blood sugar and 4 months later my A1C was 5.4, but my triglyceride were 98 (and my cholesterol also went up). I think I read or heard somewhere that this would be "normal" on a low carb diet because you are burning fat, so dumping some of those stored triglycerides into your blood stream? I've not done a whole lot to try and avoid fat, but I don't go out of my way to add fat either. I don't find that I need to do keto to stay in ketosis. I just need to cut carbs and I don't have to go to
I really think in your blublox plugs you should mention that they do prescription lenses and also give you the option of sending your own frames in too. These are very important for some people
I have never heard that said about morning blood sugars being high from fat from the evening before. Who else is saying that? What is the scientific thought behind that? How does fat turn to sugar?
My grandmother used to grind eggshells into a fine powder and mix said powder in all kinds of food and drink. Is the Calcium in eggshells adequate for our bodies?
great information.. An interesting twist on keto when keto stops working for some of us metabolic and hormone disabled people..thank you so much giving me new hope
I can’t decide if I am a Ted Niaman fan or a Laul Salidino fan. Both of them make so much sense to me. And who has the time and discipline to go 90 days keto carnivore and then 90 days high protein no sugar no grains. I just want to know what’s the best.
Been Keto for 1-1/2 years, lost 100 lbs, but stopped (losing weight) 8 months ago. I'm not complaining, but I still want to lose wt. Already doing 18/6, almost 0 carbs, but looks like I need to try less fat, more protein. I am a bit nervous about losing the satiety I currently get. I'll try it.
Two smart people having a great conversation and making a huge difference to the people who take on the advice. So great!! Also, I could never understand why there isn't a more discussion among Keto-ers to use fat consumption to control weight loss. Some people get attached to the ideology instead of continuing to follow the science I think.
Great information and discussion. Thanks so much! I paused and went to look at my last triglyceride level (which my doctor assured me was ‘low’) ... and found 105. If you talked about actionable ways to reduce elevated TGs, I guess I missed it. Would you please do a nuts and bolts session on keeping the fasting trigs and glucose levels to less than the 100 mark which was recommended? The doctor was adamant about using this as both goal and marker. I’m feeling inspired but a little lost at this moment, I must confess. Great session. Love you guys!
I'd recommend that you start with the Standard Ketogenic Diet for at least three months first. Swapping out higher protein for fat works well for many, but I think it is better to work your way up to it. The same goes for fasting. Intermittent Fasting, Extended Fasting, and even a 100% carnivore diet are much easier to enter after you have kicked any carb addiction issues via keto. ua-cam.com/video/tC_qBC1EEvw/v-deo.html www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq
I love the point made by Dr Naimen that you want to diet at the highest caloric level possible and the way to do that is to increase your protein intake ( for the thermodynamic affect (I think I have that right). I need to digest this. Personally, I have been losing weight steadily on keto (6 months) and the last month have stopped tracking and counting- I knew I increased calories and I still lost the usual amount of weight (7 pounds for the month)BUT I have noticed my stomach getting bigger and when I tracked, I see that I have accidentally increased my fat intake and lowered my protein. All this gives me food for thought- I need to up the protein and cut the dietary fat
Well I’m done. I’ve been following a group that does a TDEE high fat keto since January 4 and I’ve gained weight, I feel sick, nauseous, my back hurts, just sick. I have a dr appointment today going to talk about what learned here. I got my glucose down but I bet my triglycerides are over the moon 🌚.. I’m done with the cocao butter and HWC .. I have enough fat to live on for two years! Now I have more and I’ve been eating strick keto, thought I was doing so well. I gained weight after quitting smoking and had to go on steroids for two years on and off, I blew up, now I think I may even have Cushing’s syndrome. I do not look like my profile picture anymore after only five years of dealing with all these stupid diet fads. I don’t know how to lose this weight. Thank you for this information. It’s been helpful.
Can’t tap into your own fat stores if you’re consuming too much dietary fat. You need to lower your fat intake and increase your protein. Your body will have no choice to tap into your own stores. I’d recommend consulting with Tristan & Jessica @primaledgehealth or Frank Tufano or even possibly De Shawn Baker. I like Primal Edge Health personally, you can join a month long Keto/Carnivore Collective group for a great price. Have learned massive amounts of info from them over the years
Slender man. Pretty good. No weight loss yet, but I have faith. I think my body is just figuring things out. I am dealing with another health issue as well so my body is probably working on that first.
I got some pounds while doing keto, and always hungry. But never heard from anyone the words of Dr Naiman. Now I did. So glad that at that time I heard my body.
This makes so much sense! Thank you HIH guy for saying that you can eat enormous amounts of nuts! I have been obese my whole life and have a lot of shame about how easy it is for me to overeat some things--like nuts and especially almond butter et al. This makes a lot of sense in terms of how I can f*cking DRINK HWC and just want to keep drinking it.... Maybe I'm not broken, is I guess what I'm getting at, and am only responding to foods the way my body is made to respond. I have started a 99% carnivore diet and this is really going to help me refine what I'm doing and hopefully start actually losing weight. Thanks so much!!!
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High Intensity Health thanks unbelievable information.
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Ted Naiman is hands down my favorite Doc, makes most sense to me, also seems most practical to me than the rest.
He's a smart man
I agree, ted is a calm speaker and uses easy to understand examples.
It’s because he puts his money where his mouth is - he practices what he preaches.
Thanks Mike for bringing Dr. Ted Naiman back on your program. He always brings a common sense clarity to issues of disagreement within the low carb community, and he has an unrivaled ability to distill things down to such a level that anyone can understand it. He is always a pleasure to listen to.
Ted Naiman what a champ ,
The keto community can learn a thing or 20 from him
Ted Naiman makes a lot of sense. I've been keto for about 10 years. Only when I decreased my fat intake, did I get leaner.
A genuine question, since I really want to stick with keto. How do you get enough daily potassium on keto? I find that I can't eat enough avocado and end up getting swollen from too much sodium, and then have to eat bananas for relief. I don't know how keto people handle this
Did you get loose skin on carnivore,if so how did you fix it and reverse it.it just suddenly happened.
What did you eat for protein with low fat?
@@BlessedForever888have plenty of spinach and some sweet potatoes… for the sweet potatoes boil them thoroughly and keep them in the fridge overnight… then eat a small portion. Dont worry too much about the blood sugar spikes…
Nobody makes the obesity issues clearer than Dr. Naiman. I realized I was eating too much fat on my mostly carnivore diet; feeling much better reducing the fat and upping the protein. I’m a senior and most seniors aren’t eating nearly enough protein.
Dean how much protein is now working good for you as someone at 65? How how much is your fat.
@Foodcrash I’m doing roughly .8-1g leaner protein per pound of ideal weight; am happy with anything around 100g per day. Edit: I’m eating more like 120-130g protein per day.
Dean Riley how much fat do you eat per day?
@cnr vr I was eating upwards of #80+g fat per day, but dropped to
WARNING: Do NOT cut your fat too much on a keto diet or you will get protein poisoning and die in a couple of months. All lean meat diets are often used to murder unwanted political prisoners in dictatorships, because it can't be detected. Too much of anything is dangerous.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning
This is fascinating to me. I lost 200lbs following a protein centric keto diet. I have been trying to find optimal maintenance by adding fats and I just keep fighting regain. I have been leaning toward consuming a major shift to higher protein and totally craving ground beef. This video was incredibly eye opening and also depressing. 9 years minimim to fight my body sounds so hard. I'm fighting the good fight.
Keto Chaos I think anyone who’s been significantly overweight can never really relax or be “normal” with food; it’s a lifetime project, but look at what you’ve achieved! Take a look at BeatingObesity youtube. Congratulations.
If your getting fat again reduce the fat,it's just that simple my friend.
i think you can have ground beef? check out dr Naimans website burnfatnotsugar.com/MacroCalc.html
@@willb249 I went from 340 to 225 following Cole. I've put 25 back on and need to get back to doing 48s and 72s. Not going to lie it' s hard for me. My health is better forsure tho.
Sorry wrong person.
Yes - Steak and eggs - super best food l. Do this for over 14 years now strictly - no more inflamations, lean body, good skin, good shape over all - now I am 62.
Swiss in Paraguay since 2014
I notice the more carbs the worst I feel I love Beef when I don’t eat carbs
Do you eat anything else? I am your age. I am so confused I thought our body needed greens and fiber. I am glad you're doing well.
@@beautifulrose8619 I recommend spending about an hour investigating the Zone Diet macronutrient balance. Start at 40/30/30 (35g C, 28g P, 12g F) and then adjust from there. Dr. Barry Sears explains how to adjust based on how soon you get hungry after eating your meal. Start there. The more moderate your balance the better. His goal is to manage inflammation.
Eat real food from the ground, which means eliminating processed foods, especially if rusty iron filings have Ben "fortified" into the processed foods where the natural nutrients have been processed out.
Listen to Morley Robbins' more recent interviews to extend Dr. Sears' insights to a whole new level.
Cathy Cabral I started carnivore at 62, that was 8 months ago. I look and feel 20 years younger. Well my body looks younger, can't erase a lifetime of working in the sun ha.
@@barbieg7718 , You're eating the wrong carbs lol
I agree with dr. Naiman. After I lost a bunch of weight I could not handle IF anymore. My BF is getting lower with PE diet and sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night with hungry, just eat my protein and keep going. It is incredible. Like I lost 40kg, many times along my lifetime, and now I just learn how to maintain my weight low. It's amazing.
That was beautiful the way Ted blew up one Keto myth after another!! Props to you Mike for staying humble and not going Jimmy Moore with the bullshit. Good show. Do more of this please
David Winebrenner Jr 🔥🔥 Thanks mate. Ted’s amazing
loved it that why the MIke had to make the statement in the beginning about ted liking Keto....wrong.... :p
I left a critical comment on your channel at the beginning of the pandemic (I was overwhelmed with all the sudden new advice) and now have changed my life so much through getting into health content on youtube... HIH, Dr Wahls, Rhonda Patrick.... so many people that changed my life. thank you! (and sorry about that first comment)
Anything Ted Naiman or Ben Bikman gets a thumbs up from the beginning. Only helps that it's also on your channel! Great stuff as always Mike. Keep the info coming !!!!
Appreciate that, Jordan!
Yes, love Dr Bikman as well. He’s a revelation. This channel and Dr Bikman are my main go to. I also like Dr Mindy Pelz for her take on women’s hormones. 😊
Tash 1111 funny you say that because Ben Bikman and Ted Naiman are saying exactly opposite things.
michael Cariello why’s that funny? Their not saying the opposite things at all - they’re promoting health, but from a different point of reference. So what!? At no material time can I recall Dr Naiman saying insulin is not an issue, which is Dr Bikman’s bellywieg. There is no right way for health and longevity - but there is a wrong way, the standard western diet killing us all. Hence strategic cycling of macros has a lot of merit. Eating strategically through a combination of Time restricted feeding, IF, longer fasts and/or fast mimicking has merit. For me, keto is my foundation but i will cycle in higher protein days and before my period is due, increase good carbs and decrease fat to facilitate increase in progesterone which is critical for women during her cycle. Likewise I incorporate 2MAD and OMAD and time restricted feeding. Quite frankly, I’m grateful for these wonderful clinicians/scientists who have had the guts to step outside the mainstream of nutrition and medicine which is killing us all slowly but surely. Take from them that which resonates with you and works for you, and leave the rest 😊. None of these individuals have ever been so arrogant as to say they have all the answers or have the panacea
Tash 1111 I believe Ted Naiman is trying to reinvent the wheel here. His take on fat and “fat toxicity” is just his version of CICO. He has said himself that the Hormonal Model of obesity and Type 2 Diabetes “is dead”. I’m still not sure what he means by that. He has also said in some interviews that protein calories almost don’t even count when you eat them. In this latest podcast he is saying that eating fat even in the context of a ketogenic diet can cause spikes and raise insulin. No one else in the community is saying that especially Ben Bikman. Where is Naiman getting that from? I wish he would do a better job in clarifying his statements. The good news he still recommends the correct way of eating which is basically just eat steak and eggs. I agree with him on that.
Wow! This is amazing info I haven't heard that clearly anywhere, during my 2 years on keto.
P:E The high protein version of keto for athletes. Thanks Ted and Mike !
Wow. Dr. Naiman is amazing. His ability to explain and quantify are a gift. Thank you, Michael!!
Just finished... man. This might be the best interview (great job, Mike) with concentrated, high quality health knowledge and principles I've ever seen. Kudos!
Probably the BEST video on diet and health that I've ever seen, and I've watched hundreds of videos from all kinds of "experts' out there.
I was so excited to see the two of you sitting down to talk health common sense again. The protein to energy concept has completely simplified healthy eating for me, and it has become my preferred method of explaining weight loss and weight management techniques to people when they ask me. So thank you to both of you for sharing your thoughts. You truly are helping no doubt an enormous amount of people!
Wow. This is just what I needed to hear. I've been unsuccessful trying to reduce body fat by eating low carb/high fat, though keto tells you to eat heavy cream, bacon, etc. This makes much more sense. I'm definitely going to pay attention to my triglycerides on my next physical. Thanks, Mike. Your channel is AWESOME.
I like it. The low protein brand of keto hasn't been good to me. Focusing on protein has been wonderful in preventing hypoglycemia
Laughing Jim same here
@@Abi-un4uk Yeah, Dr Rosedale steered me in the wrong direction a few years ago. I lost weight but also muscle and hair.
How do you get hypoglycemia if you are fat adapted and have gluconeogenesis. When were experiencing hypoglycemia.
same here! Once I stopped fearing protein I was able to stick to eating low carb much easier and without any stress! Plus I feel so much better
High protein has helped me with carbs cravings
One of if not the most informative and riveting conversations on nutrition I have ever seen
Goodness!!! I watch videos on this topic all the time....and THIS is the best discussion I've heard for a very long time! Thanks to you both!
Dagny Grant Thanks! Ted crushed it
@@Highintensityhealth you both did!
@@Highintensityhealth great.im carnivore, skinny,150lbs.,3 yrs,carnivore, All of a sudden.im getting lots of loose skin.please help me reverse it.thanks High Intensity..
Thank you for this awesome podcast! Always learn so much every time I listen to Ted Naiman.
One of your best podcasts. Just brilliant. So many killer takeaways to start applying. Now off to dl Ted's book.
I always know it’s a good episode when I come away with a whole new approach towards nutrition/fitness! Learned a ton this episode :) keep up the good work!
I miss the days when we had people in the same room. The sound quality is outstanding.(second time watching/listening).
I've been told so many times that I don't do keto right because I eat higher protein and don't add a lot of extra fat. I just practiced listening to my body and I knew that I was more satisfied when I ate more protein so that's what I stuck with. Eating a lot of extra fat didn't seem logical to me so I just avoided it. I was able to lose 104lbs and get to healthy weight even being wheelchair-bound. I'm comfortable with that so I'll continue doing what works for me. Learning how long it may take for my body to continue to want to gain the weight back was a bit of a shock, but I'm hoping that since I gained most of my weight as a result of being in the chair that maybe I'll get a quicker response. Even if I don't I'll continue to eat high protein lower fat.
Me too.i like.leaner steaks on carnivore.ny strip,top sirloin, filet mignon..hood deli meats,cheeses,eggs,wild sardines, salmon in wster,greek yogurt,high grade hot fogs,bita herring in cream.no salt.Never had weight issue,150 lbs..65.Did u get loose skin.i never had it but recently it's just happening.!!?? Any clue how to reverse it
@@davidrodgers4760 Initially my skin was very lax, over several years it has firmed up some, but I think it is unreasonable to expect to lose 100lbs or more without having any loose skin. I do not know about loose skin and not having lost a lot of weight unless it is a result of aging or dry skin.
@@1GoldenBreeze I didn't lose any weight.ive been 150 lbs for 50 yrs!!
@@davidrodgers4760 I understand, and it's why I said I do not know about loose skin and not having lost weight. If you've been the same weight for 50 years it's possible that what's going on with your skin it is just a normal part of getting older, but I don't know.
Great talk!
Prioritize protein.
The quality of fat in hogs is very dependent on the quality of their feed. Traditionally hogs have been fed a high carbohydrate diet and their fat was derived from de novo lipogenesis. A byproduct of the ethanol industry is distillers grains, they are a relatively high in seed oils. In a monogastric such as a pig the oil ends up directly in their fat. Eating commercial bacon as opposed to traditionally raised bacon may have a different satiety effect. Commercially raised hogs may actually be a source of seed oils.
I’m still studying the subject, these are preliminary thoughts.
Yep. I eat only Heritage Pork ot wild boar I hunt myself.
@@duststorm7287 hi.i see lots of your posts..awesome,what else is your total specific carnivore foods.i just got loose skins after 3 yrs carnivore. It just happened,any clue how to reverse it.im about 150ibs 6 ft.always had lean muscles.
I just listened to the entire podcast 2x, then bought the book 2x (and will probably buy more copies for friends and family). The book looks amazing.
I've been off grains, sugar, and bad fats for almost 3 years, and have moved from LCHF to pretty much keto. Ted's ideas make a lot of sense to me and I'm going to go about 45% - 45% - 10%carbs. While the low-carb / keto has been good (fasting insulin 1.4, HOMA-IR .03), this seems like a good neutral ground without going full on carnivore.
Thanks, Mike and Ted...much appreciated.
I don't think it's too far from what I've heard Ben Bikman say:
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"Control the Carbs, Prioritize Protein, Fill it with Fat"
elbay2 but bikman also recommends around 100-120g of protein per day. When rest is fat to fill you priority fat in the end.
I was super skeptical when I saw the title but this turned out to be VERY informative and interesting. Thanks a lot!
aquapurity Appreciate you not judging a book by the cover. TY
Ace interview. It definitely filled in key gaps and disabused some seriously confusing issues in my understanding of things. I’m getting Dr. Naiman’s book for sure.
Ted naiman is great, such a clear no bs perspective.
It’s so good to see Dr. Ted Naiman. I like his ideas in this video.
Steak and Eggs! love it. I can really relate to the nut over eating problem. Makes sense for surviving winter. But thats not hard anymore with a furnace.
This totally makes me rethink the keto diet.
Extremes are usually unhealthy, balance is the way nature operates
@@VladTissescu It's not about balances or extremes, it's about flexibility and science. You still need to keep carbs and fats low which would be extreme for "standard" diet.
For what purpose do you “need” to keep carbs or fats low?
What is “low” anyways? For someone low might be 50g, while for another low might be 150g
vlad1111 i agree with you here. Low is very subjective. When I was trying to go strict keto almost a year ago, I thought I could maintain my same workout routine of 4-5 HIIT & Strength training sessions/week. No way. I would get winded so quickly. When I increased my carbs, my workouts got so much better. Now I want to go full carnivore though, so let’s see how my body reacts.
I think we need to be careful with words like "anti-Keto". Isn't it that this is all just an experiment to find what works best for us, being careful to not eat too much and keep a healthy balance (easy to digest well prepared foods) Skip nuts and Keto junk food)
Mike, love your channel, love this interview and love the fact that you didn't take away the value of this information packed exchange by inundating us with ads like many of your counterparts are doing now like Thomas DeLauer just to name a few. Keep on keeping on bro !
Pretty Bird We have ads to, it’s part of the way to be consistent over the long haul with UA-cam. It’s way more time than one would think to maintain a channel!
@@Highintensityhealth Totally understand and agree with you but you had an ad up front with no disruption during the 1hr + interview while Thomas had a 12 min. segment with 2 ads dispersed within the segment disrupting the flow. End result, I will be more likely to click on a HIH video over a T.D. video....
I love the PE Diet book. I downloaded it a few weeks ago and have been showing to my mom, wife and kids. What you might not expect is that Dr. Naiman has a dry humor that sneaks through in the prose and the diagrams. My daughter is artistic and the first thing she noticed was the high quality of the illustrations. This book is at the top of my recommendation list for anybody who wants to get their diet in hand with straightforward steps. It’s a winner!
In the book, are there exact steps or directions as to what one exactly eats to lose weight? I don't understand ratios since that doesn't give me specifics. He talks in such generalities.
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He gives specific formulas for protein first. He recommends counting that nutrient, then either carbs or fats are included in different ratios. The pictures really are useful for understanding how to implement his plan. I have a good collection of low carb/keto books, it this is the one I’d recommend to a beginner or to someone trying to tweak their diet to get a specific result.
I hope that is helpful.
@@coffeemachtspass Thank you, it is helpful info.
It’s been a while since I’ve watched any of your videos and now I remember why I subscribed to your channel. Thank you for your awesome work !
lol! Love that, thanks for sharing
I saw your clip from this interview on your Instagram page and had to go back and watch the full video.
Thanks you for bring in Dr. Naiman again. Huge fan of his.
Best person I seen explain everything that we can understand on you tube and not getting bored listening to most of these you tubers. he as my attention. he talks to where it just grabs your attention and you want to listen to what he has to say he seems awesome to me but finally someone I can listen to without getting bored with it
Mike thank you for introducing Dr. Naiman to us. “Knowledge is power”😊
Ted is great. Thanks for this. I am doing the P:E diet and really enjoying it. I'm lean, athletic, and 3 years keto. Getting leaner and with more definition
What about loose skin ..I just got it on carnivore 3 yrs.,thanks I want to reverse it.
Fantastic! 👌 Loaded with the best information. Mr. Mutzel, as gracious an interviewer as always🙏🏻 Dr. Naiman- my hero. Yes, please transcend religiosity 😇🙌🏻💪🏻 Seriously couldn’t appreciate this more!thank you😊
Its the protein that is giving me the health. I follow Ted Naiman's protein to energy ratio diet. I eat high protein and eat only the carbs that i need for that day. Honestly it works better than when i did Carnivore or Vegan. Look at how fit i am without much exercise at 42 years old. Both carbs and fats can cause energy toxicity and that's what causes insulin resistance. Ted Naiman is spot on.
Good stuff, I hit a plateau on carnivore but this information has given me renewed vigor on how to approach it other than just more fasting
i’ve plateaud on carnivore also, have you found a better method?
this is the information i was looking for because i have been low carb for 4.5 years lost weight now regaining and not understanding high morning blood sugar level. thank you so much
One of the best interviews i've heard. Good questions and clear answers.💕💖👍
I love listening to Dr. Naiman. His explanation on personal fat threshold, insulin resistance as a result of energy overflow( in form of fat)...these are in line with what Dr. Fung also said. I ve been doing keto and IF for 2 years, only crave fat and never carbs, but everytime i let myself going overboard with fat, i put on weight abdominally :-( ! So energy definitely counts like it or not...i know it sucks as i can eat butter all day long....
@26:00 this is true on me. Not a T2D but I follow LCHF. Each meal usually has an energy split of 65% fat, 25% protein and 10% carb. Fasting glucose is always higher than what I like it to be. After hearing this, took out the extra added fat in dinner so its energy split changed to around 35% fat, 48% protein and 17% carb. The next day fasting glucose is the the lowest I've ever seen (15 points lower than my normal fasting) and ketone is way up. Repeated several times got similar results. Still playing around with the %. Interesting stuff....
Thanx for this interview! This is absolutely valuable information! In my opinion, Ted is a very intelligent guy, who really thinks through the important questions… excellent!!
The overloaded fat cells come from the carbs and not the fat you eat. Replace carbs with protein and fat that will allow you to lower the calories enough tp loose weight. Best is actually to cycle into intermittent fasting and full day fasts. Then the amount of fat and protein is less relevant. When you train more protein, when you dont more fat. Easy ...
Max Pucher Exactly!!
Trust Dr Naiman to nail it. Outstanding, genuine original scientific thinker, with a great dose of common sense. If you enjoyed this, you will also love the interview with Dr Gominak on sleep, vitamins d and gut microbiome. Thank you Mike, friend, keep conversing. I'll be listening!
Great talk! I appreciated your guest, his clarity and depth of knowledge are so helpful! Oh great shirt Mike!
Love this particular interview. Make so much sense
Dr Naimam have you worn a CGM and tested an N=1 regarding your fat hypothesis regarding the delay in the spike in glucose? I have worn a CGM and have never seen a spike, delayed or otherwise, from healthy fat consumption.
JG Lee I use the Freestyle Libre. I’ve been using it since June 2018. It’s an excellent accountability partner especially if you have type 2 diabetes.
Regarding fasting, Ted gave the number of 30 calories per 24 hours that can be provided by one pound of body fat. I find this interesting, and have searched for more information or research about this number, fat and muscle metabolism, etc. I haven't found any sources for this information. Does anyone have any sources or places for more information? Thanks.
A lot of 💡 💡 moments for me in this ....thanks ... loved it .... I’m going to have to watch it again😃👍
Dr. Naiman is my doctor and he is amazing , so knowledgeable
Lucky you
Two of my favorite health guys together. Sweet.
Fantastic interview! Thanks for the great content! 👍🏻
ONE OF THE BEST INTERVIEWS EVER 🙌🏼 💖
Zarah Rosé TY!! I thought so too
Ted Naiman is the best! Would love to see him on the podcast again! Love from Austria :D
Awesome video ! It explains why my triglycerides have always been so high. Very informative thank you so much Mike keep up the good work we appreciate it.
Yrs back, was bothered and I asked my dr why I had high tri's. he said, he had no idea. This is a fantastic interview, thank you!
Can you provide the study where Dr. Naiman references 1 lb of body fat that can only supply 30 calories per day, please?
This info is so helpful to me. As a T2 Diabetic trying to use keto and carnivore I now know more about adipose tissues being over energized when consuming a high fat diet. I’ve been successful with fasting so will use it to lean out then adapt my macros to body weight size.
Excellent interview. Really glad I tuned in.
This doctor is fantastic... I’ve all sorts of diets in my life and all kinds of fasting ... and my experience is exactly as to what he is saying
Any help about loose skin on carnivore and waterfasting....
thank you for this valentine's gift :D
This is incredibly informative! I watched it twice to absorb it all. Thank you for the content!
45% protein 45% fat 10% carbs I have lost 50 pounds on this ratio
how many grams of protein do you eat per day
@Zombie Head HELLO .. IM 85KG .. AT 1.5G PER KG THE TOTAL IS 127G ,, HOW DO YOU GET 300GR
@Zombie Head OH . I DIDNT REALIZE YOU WERE MEASURING BODY WEIGHT IN LBS CUZ YOU WERE USING GR IN THE CALCULATION ...THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR HELP
Is it the ratio or that in you're in a calorie deficit why you've lost weight?
50 carbs 25 protein 25 fat
Ma boi Naiman with that Cillian Murphy haircut 😎
"Eat your protein"
"on whose orders?"
"by order of the Peaky f*ing Blinders, mate"
Jokes aside, good interview
Interesting. When I was diagnosed with T2D (A1C of 7.1) my triglycerides were pretty low (68). I went on a low carb diet to manage my blood sugar and 4 months later my A1C was 5.4, but my triglyceride were 98 (and my cholesterol also went up). I think I read or heard somewhere that this would be "normal" on a low carb diet because you are burning fat, so dumping some of those stored triglycerides into your blood stream? I've not done a whole lot to try and avoid fat, but I don't go out of my way to add fat either. I don't find that I need to do keto to stay in ketosis. I just need to cut carbs and I don't have to go to
I am a fan of Dr. Naiman, he's great. I find priotising protein over fat works very well.
Such a good podcast - Ted Naiman is great!
I really think in your blublox plugs you should mention that they do prescription lenses and also give you the option of sending your own frames in too. These are very important for some people
I have never heard that said about morning blood sugars being high from fat from the evening before. Who else is saying that? What is the scientific thought behind that? How does fat turn to sugar?
This is an honest question, it seems like a big statement to make without having some science to back it up. He said I feel and I think a lot.
My grandmother used to grind eggshells into a fine powder and mix said powder in all kinds of food and drink. Is the Calcium in eggshells adequate for our bodies?
great information.. An interesting twist on keto when keto stops working for some of us metabolic and hormone disabled people..thank you so much giving me new hope
I can’t decide if I am a Ted Niaman fan or a Laul Salidino fan. Both of them make so much sense to me. And who has the time and discipline to go 90 days keto carnivore and then 90 days high protein no sugar no grains. I just want to know what’s the best.
Been Keto for 1-1/2 years, lost 100 lbs, but stopped (losing weight) 8 months ago. I'm not complaining, but I still want to lose wt. Already doing 18/6, almost 0 carbs, but looks like I need to try less fat, more protein. I am a bit nervous about losing the satiety I currently get. I'll try it.
Let me know how it goes.
Any update on lowering the fat ??
any update?
Two smart people having a great conversation and making a huge difference to the people who take on the advice. So great!! Also, I could never understand why there isn't a more discussion among Keto-ers to use fat consumption to control weight loss. Some people get attached to the ideology instead of continuing to follow the science I think.
Great information and discussion. Thanks so much! I paused and went to look at my last triglyceride level (which my doctor assured me was ‘low’) ... and found 105. If you talked about actionable ways to reduce elevated TGs, I guess I missed it. Would you please do a nuts and bolts session on keeping the fasting trigs and glucose levels to less than the 100 mark which was recommended? The doctor was adamant about using this as both goal and marker. I’m feeling inspired but a little lost at this moment, I must confess. Great session. Love you guys!
I'd recommend that you start with the Standard Ketogenic Diet for at least three months first. Swapping out higher protein for fat works well for many, but I think it is better to work your way up to it. The same goes for fasting. Intermittent Fasting, Extended Fasting, and even a 100% carnivore diet are much easier to enter after you have kicked any carb addiction issues via keto. ua-cam.com/video/tC_qBC1EEvw/v-deo.html www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq
I love the point made by Dr Naimen that you want to diet at the highest caloric level possible and the way to do that is to increase your protein intake ( for the thermodynamic affect (I think I have that right). I need to digest this. Personally, I have been losing weight steadily on keto (6 months) and the last month have stopped tracking and counting- I knew I increased calories and I still lost the usual amount of weight (7 pounds for the month)BUT I have noticed my stomach getting bigger and when I tracked, I see that I have accidentally increased my fat intake and lowered my protein. All this gives me food for thought- I need to up the protein and cut the dietary fat
What a great interview, but I would disagree that fat and and carbs are equal, even if they are isocaloric they aren isometabolic
Well I’m done. I’ve been following a group that does a TDEE high fat keto since January 4 and I’ve gained weight, I feel sick, nauseous, my back hurts, just sick. I have a dr appointment today going to talk about what learned here. I got my glucose down but I bet my triglycerides are over the moon 🌚.. I’m done with the cocao butter and HWC .. I have enough fat to live on for two years! Now I have more and I’ve been eating strick keto, thought I was doing so well. I gained weight after quitting smoking and had to go on steroids for two years on and off, I blew up, now I think I may even have Cushing’s syndrome. I do not look like my profile picture anymore after only five years of dealing with all these stupid diet fads. I don’t know how to lose this weight. Thank you for this information. It’s been helpful.
Can’t tap into your own fat stores if you’re consuming too much dietary fat. You need to lower your fat intake and increase your protein. Your body will have no choice to tap into your own stores. I’d recommend consulting with Tristan & Jessica @primaledgehealth or Frank Tufano or even possibly De Shawn Baker. I like Primal Edge Health personally, you can join a month long Keto/Carnivore Collective group for a great price. Have learned massive amounts of info from them over the years
i love yr ted naiman interviews. It would be kind to yr guest to show his book visible on the table. Great interview! thanks Mike
Kindle so far it seems
Can anybody explain how they subtitle the video like this ?
I wonder what his opinion is on Deanna’s OMAD regimen. I would love to hear his physiological information on that.
Just an amazing interview. Thanks to both of you.
I needed to hear this! Cutting my fat intake starting now!
Slender man. Pretty good. No weight loss yet, but I have faith. I think my body is just figuring things out. I am dealing with another health issue as well so my body is probably working on that first.
I got some pounds while doing keto, and always hungry. But never heard from anyone the words of Dr Naiman. Now I did. So glad that at that time I heard my body.
Fat is not your enemy at all!! Protein has fat with it! Cut the carbs and never eat carb+fat. That’s his message
Same
Can you update us? I wonder how dramatic the results are now 9 months in
Best post-Keto update/evo I've heard, all my questions answered! How cool is that, many thanks.
You guys are awesome, thank you for the knowledge..Great Podcast.
Another excellent, informative discussion.
Thank you both.
This makes so much sense! Thank you HIH guy for saying that you can eat enormous amounts of nuts! I have been obese my whole life and have a lot of shame about how easy it is for me to overeat some things--like nuts and especially almond butter et al. This makes a lot of sense in terms of how I can f*cking DRINK HWC and just want to keep drinking it.... Maybe I'm not broken, is I guess what I'm getting at, and am only responding to foods the way my body is made to respond. I have started a 99% carnivore diet and this is really going to help me refine what I'm doing and hopefully start actually losing weight. Thanks so much!!!
Omg this is amazing information thats being provided for FREE! Thankyou MIke👍
I’m binging Ted Naiman podcasts. They’re full of quality information.
Thanks for uploading this!
I just made the anchovies with tomatoes, fantastic recipe. Thank you💖