Dyno Joe, just want to say that what you have been doing with these saws is awesome. Your charts make everything nice and clear. Guys like me that are messing around with porting there own saws and don’t have a way to know how much power they are putting out can make an educated guess and have a ball park idea because of your charts. Also your knowledge has helped me understand things better. Love your vids. Very much appreciate your work
Great video and true comparison! The extra tq on the 461 makes it the winner in my book. That’s quite a difference for running longer bars amongst these 3 evolutions of the same saw.
Nice job Joe. All great runners, sure the owners will be very please. The ported 461 I had was a beast, pull a 32 with authority all day long. Have a great weekend when you get to it.
I’m on the look out for an older 462 then have you do some work to it. I’m only about 3 hours north from you. Liking your work and all the content you been putting out.
I have a 461 my helper has a 462 Mine is all stock his has a gutted stock muffler with a home built dual port his is significantly lighter than mine but in the cut bucking hardwood I pull away from him by a full cut within 4 cuts he’s starting his 3rd I’m finishing my 4th but his has a stihl lite bar and weighs a full 2 pounds less than mine so cutting all day id take his over mine every time for a few seconds difference in the cut… ounces in the morning are pounds at quitting time
@dynojoe I wonder what your opinions are on which one is better for porting. Like easier to port and get power out of. I personally have a 461 and it’s still stock. But I love it. Wish it had a little more grunt but overall a great saw
great test. great pulls. great graphs. great job. that 462 sounds mean. evident the 461 has more low end by a wide margin, but gives it up early i dont know which cuts better....looks like 8800-9800 they are close. 460 sings like a race car...upstairs. im not a stihl guy, prob never own one, but they all were great.
Well I have a near new mint 460 and it's heavy. In my country the 462 is listed today as the same power output as the 460 but the 462 is 500gm lighter. I am thinking of buying a 462 and using that for limbing operations. I don't know. But thank you for making this video.
love my 462 but it needs that extra 2mm of stroke that the 461 has. mine is an early model, sounds like it has a lot of piston slap going on. or maybe I'm just paranoid. I should probably pull it down. or send it to you for comparison purposes.
G'day, I'm having a look at what appears to be a newish hardly used 461 this weekend, apart from cylinder condition, anything to look out for in particular on these saws? Cheers!
Great video allthough their is another modern stihl that is in this weight class (441 m tronic version 72cc's) which I wish you would have tested with these. It was discontinued by stihl for reasons unknown to me but I have been running it for 5 years and love it despite the bad rap it seems to get. My dad has the 461 and he seems to like it more as well but I never see any comparisons...
@maddawgnoll Stihl released the 462 in 2018, they didn't "discontinue" the 441 until as late as 2020 in some places, I believe they stopped manufacturing in 2019. In addition to that, theirs a more obvious disparity with your logic that can be observed in the sequential nature of stihls numbering (044, 440, 441) vs (460, 461, 462) which also suggests you are likely incorrect about their intended order of succession assuming they even had one for this. All that being said, whether you are right or wrong about which saw stihl intended to replace is fairly immaterial to me and almost worthless to unravel beyond a certain point. My guess of the way this went is that the 461 was Stihls current goto at the time it was around for the 70-78cc weight class and then they released the 441 as sort of an r&d saw to test the waters with the new 1st generation of m-tronic / strato setups along with any other design innovations unique to that saw at the time(I theorize its because people are becoming pussyz who care more about anti-vibration, lowering noise levels, reducing the powerhead weight, and the emissions than they do about low-end torque, robust lasting construction, as well as the amount of and simplicity of repairs needed)... fast forward to now, the 441 and 461 are gone and the saw stihl left us with to follow them is the 462, which as you stated is similar to the 441 in a number of significant ways that seem to make it more comparable to the 441 than the 461.... end of rant, I just wanted it to be know I like the 441 out of the 3 that's all lol
@@CuttinWithCody ok. I figure the 500i is the replacement for the 461. Model numbers typically coincide with your logic. 044, 440, 441, etc being nearly the same cc class. But there's a shift being made. The 500i is a 79 cc saw, then the jump from there is the 661 which is a 91cc. So it makes sense that the 462 could be the replacement of the 441, and the 500i being only 2cc larger than the 461. It makes sense that that's could be the replacement for the 461. I can't confirm any of this, just pointing out the possibilities of model number being irrelevant to the saw classification. Glock (as an example of model numbers that don't make sense) has been confusing gun owners for nearly four decades now. Regardless of why it is the way it is, I love the 461 (pre mtronuc) and wouldn't trade it for the 500i
Absolutely love your videos!! The stock 462 horse power and torque numbers are a little different on this 462 from our previous 70cc video. Was the other one broke in and that's why it made more power?
Thank you! I'm not sure if that was an early model vs late model or what all is different. Different saws on different days, being I cannot control the actual tune of the M tronic. The tune does effect the power. That is why when I do a compairison I run all the saws same day.
Hi Joe. I have a question, my MS 440 works well when cutting, it has power, but the engine can stall when I let off the gas under load, and when it runs at low speed, it just stop after 15 seconds, the idle are stable, and I have to start it on choke. I checked the membranes filter and, of course, tried many times adjustments.😢
@@dynojoemods2764, WoW That Was a Quick Response !!! Thank you Dinamo Joe for the answer... On an old, But Excellent Condition Husky's, Would you Prefer a 262 NIB, 266, 272, 281, 288, and NIB 3120 W/ Carb mod. Thank you for your time, Bud
@@ronaldmasterbud1551 to use? Probably the 262 I'll take the smallest lightest saw each time lol. Porting, probably the 3120, I have done a few of those and they turn out well. But a 288 sounds fun too
Joe I just ported a hyway with pop up piston my numbers are squish 22 thou 102 ex 129 transfer 78 intake. It does run good but is that too much blowdown for this saw? I did lower and widen the lowers.
As it is, 462 C-M and 500i have the highest power-to-weight ratio stock and the same holds true ported + muffler modded. Dunno if some Husky model can beat them. But if you want a big Stihl and the most power-to-weight you will choose between them. I suppose 500i has better brake spesific fuel consumption (BSFC) and might have more potential for improvement once people can get their hands on remapping ie. chip tuning.
461 looks the best to me - the orange line - has a lot on the lower end too over the others, and with rpm bogs I'd bet the 461 stay in the powerband in wood better, just a guess - maybe the autotune does better with that but it's behind almost everywhere compared to the 461
Hello Joe, I’m looking at purchasing a new saw. I am between 462, 500i and 661. Would you be able to put together an overlay showing these saws and send it to me by FB Messenger? Or if you can not do this, can you please give me any information that will help me make a decision as to which I might want to go to? I wish to run a 30-32 inch bar, worst case would be 36 inch bar, but not likely. Thank you for any up dance you can offer,
For those size bars I would go 661,500i,462 in that order. Sorry I do not have a graph with all the limes in 1 page. Ported 500i may be able to replace the 661 with that size bar depending on what type of cutting. But the 661 is more built for the longer bars.
I know everyone has their secrets but..... is there anyway you could touch base on the limited coil swap, I have a hard time getting mine set where I think it should run and am constantly questioning if I'm too lean, it sound right to me in the cut but would love to be able to set it easier.
98% of the time I don't swap the coils. I keep the tune right at/under the limiter, but I tend to run on the rich side. Now I'm not 100% sure but a couple of the 2 leg coils bolt on the 461 to make it unlimited.
You make very good informative videos. I don't know if anyone else is dynoing chainsaws. You are the real Dr. Chainsaw!
The torque on that 461.... Wow 👌
Dyno Joe, just want to say that what you have been doing with these saws is awesome. Your charts make everything nice and clear. Guys like me that are messing around with porting there own saws and don’t have a way to know how much power they are putting out can make an educated guess and have a ball park idea because of your charts. Also your knowledge has helped me understand things better. Love your vids. Very much appreciate your work
Great video and true comparison! The extra tq on the 461 makes it the winner in my book. That’s quite a difference for running longer bars amongst these 3 evolutions of the same saw.
Man, that is a clean 460. Good to see all them together. Thanks Dyno Joe!
Super clean 460! Don't see many like that for sure.
Joe, I would love to see the dyno runs of stock Mtronic 462 vs the stock standard carb version.
Nice job Joe.
All great runners, sure the owners will be very please.
The ported 461 I had was a beast, pull a 32 with authority all day long.
Have a great weekend when you get to it.
Nice 460! Looks fresh out of the box. I want my 461 pulling like that one
Absolutely love the 461s. Good job on all of them!
Wouldn’t trade my ported 461 for anything. Great torque saw. Another good video joe 👍
I’m all about having enough power, at the lightest weight. 462 will do all I need and then some.
I’m on the look out for an older 462 then have you do some work to it. I’m only about 3 hours north from you. Liking your work and all the content you been putting out.
Old school 460 any day
I have been waiting for this video thanks
Thank you for Your support!
I have a 461 my helper has a 462 Mine is all stock his has a gutted stock muffler with a home built dual port his is significantly lighter than mine but in the cut bucking hardwood I pull away from him by a full cut within 4 cuts he’s starting his 3rd I’m finishing my 4th but his has a stihl lite bar and weighs a full 2 pounds less than mine so cutting all day id take his over mine every time for a few seconds difference in the cut… ounces in the morning are pounds at quitting time
Great content! Can’t beat the torque on those 461’s…Nice work Joe
They are nice for sure.
Thank you
Great video, interesting info., good to see the 3 Saws side by side on the bench for comparison.
That 460 is pretty awesome but Im partial to that 461!
I only have a 460 for a bigger saw so I don't know. But I have a m tronic 261 and after it was ported its my new favorite for smaller stuff.
460 is legend but that 461 would probably be a better long bar saw
I love my 462C. Bark Box, Red Beard foam air filter and 28" light bar. It rips
Same set up here, awesome saw!!
WCS uni filter,which I believe was a joint effort with Red Beard, I think?
Full or skip?
@dynojoe I wonder what your opinions are on which one is better for porting. Like easier to port and get power out of. I personally have a 461 and it’s still stock. But I love it. Wish it had a little more grunt but overall a great saw
462 pulls way ahead in the weight department.
great test. great pulls. great graphs. great job.
that 462 sounds mean. evident the 461 has more low end by a wide margin, but gives it up early
i dont know which cuts better....looks like 8800-9800 they are close. 460 sings like a race car...upstairs.
im not a stihl guy, prob never own one, but they all were great.
great video ! shame you couldn’t find a nice 046 to run, i have a nice one
Well I have a near new mint 460 and it's heavy. In my country the 462 is listed today as the same power output as the 460 but the 462 is 500gm lighter. I am thinking of buying a 462 and using that for limbing operations. I don't know.
But thank you for making this video.
Get the 462 ,you'll be happy! Love mine
I am ready for a 462. Thanks.@@timtorkelson7201
love my 462 but it needs that extra 2mm of stroke that the 461 has.
mine is an early model, sounds like it has a lot of piston slap going on. or maybe I'm just paranoid. I should probably pull it down. or send it to you for comparison purposes.
I’m a 460 guy
G'day, I'm having a look at what appears to be a newish hardly used 461 this weekend, apart from cylinder condition, anything to look out for in particular on these saws? Cheers!
Great video allthough their is another modern stihl that is in this weight class (441 m tronic version 72cc's) which I wish you would have tested with these. It was discontinued by stihl for reasons unknown to me but I have been running it for 5 years and love it despite the bad rap it seems to get. My dad has the 461 and he seems to like it more as well but I never see any comparisons...
That saw was replaced by the 462. The 462 isn’t a 77cc like the 460 and 461, It’s a 72cc.
@@toyotaguy75 whats your point?
@@CuttinWithCodypointing out why the 441 was discontinued. Because they replaced it with the 462.
@maddawgnoll Stihl released the 462 in 2018, they didn't "discontinue" the 441 until as late as 2020 in some places, I believe they stopped manufacturing in 2019. In addition to that, theirs a more obvious disparity with your logic that can be observed in the sequential nature of stihls numbering (044, 440, 441) vs (460, 461, 462) which also suggests you are likely incorrect about their intended order of succession assuming they even had one for this. All that being said, whether you are right or wrong about which saw stihl intended to replace is fairly immaterial to me and almost worthless to unravel beyond a certain point. My guess of the way this went is that the 461 was Stihls current goto at the time it was around for the 70-78cc weight class and then they released the 441 as sort of an r&d saw to test the waters with the new 1st generation of m-tronic / strato setups along with any other design innovations unique to that saw at the time(I theorize its because people are becoming pussyz who care more about anti-vibration, lowering noise levels, reducing the powerhead weight, and the emissions than they do about low-end torque, robust lasting construction, as well as the amount of and simplicity of repairs needed)... fast forward to now, the 441 and 461 are gone and the saw stihl left us with to follow them is the 462, which as you stated is similar to the 441 in a number of significant ways that seem to make it more comparable to the 441 than the 461.... end of rant, I just wanted it to be know I like the 441 out of the 3 that's all lol
@@CuttinWithCody ok. I figure the 500i is the replacement for the 461. Model numbers typically coincide with your logic. 044, 440, 441, etc being nearly the same cc class. But there's a shift being made. The 500i is a 79 cc saw, then the jump from there is the 661 which is a 91cc. So it makes sense that the 462 could be the replacement of the 441, and the 500i being only 2cc larger than the 461. It makes sense that that's could be the replacement for the 461. I can't confirm any of this, just pointing out the possibilities of model number being irrelevant to the saw classification. Glock (as an example of model numbers that don't make sense) has been confusing gun owners for nearly four decades now. Regardless of why it is the way it is, I love the 461 (pre mtronuc) and wouldn't trade it for the 500i
Absolutely love your videos!!
The stock 462 horse power and torque numbers are a little different on this 462 from our previous 70cc video. Was the other one broke in and that's why it made more power?
Thank you! I'm not sure if that was an early model vs late model or what all is different. Different saws on different days, being I cannot control the actual tune of the M tronic. The tune does effect the power. That is why when I do a compairison I run all the saws same day.
@@dynojoemods2764 okay thanks
Good show Joe!
Great info! Thanks for sharing buddy! 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏🙏🙏
Sloppy fuel pour on the 462 joe. Great video. 😎👍
Had to pretend I was 4 tanks in doing a tailgate pour.... Thank you
If you don't spill some, you didn't get it full 😁
Thank you!!!
Fantastic as always!!
Does the mtronic take a little time to adjust correctly to the porting or is it basically instant?
It is always adjusting. Normally pretty good to go after 4-6 pulls. Sometimes it takes a reset and a few pulls to come alive.
@@dynojoemods2764 thanks for the reply!
All of them, I have all 3.
How much of this difference is porting difference and how much is other factors of the actual saw itself
Hi Joe. I have a question, my MS 440 works well when cutting, it has power, but the engine can stall when I let off the gas under load, and when it runs at low speed, it just stop after 15 seconds, the idle are stable, and I have to start it on choke. I checked the membranes filter and, of course, tried many times adjustments.😢
Great vid I enjoyed it good job on them too
Thank you
Will A 461 jug, fit on a 462 ???
The 462 is the Most Cosmetically Pleasing saw.
Just Curious.
No, they are fairly different.
@@dynojoemods2764, WoW That Was a Quick Response !!!
Thank you Dinamo Joe for the answer...
On an old, But Excellent Condition Husky's, Would you Prefer a 262 NIB, 266, 272, 281, 288, and NIB 3120 W/ Carb mod.
Thank you for your time, Bud
@@ronaldmasterbud1551 to use? Probably the 262 I'll take the smallest lightest saw each time lol.
Porting, probably the 3120, I have done a few of those and they turn out well. But a 288 sounds fun too
Joe I just ported a hyway with pop up piston my numbers are squish 22 thou 102 ex 129 transfer 78 intake. It does run good but is that too much blowdown for this saw? I did lower and widen the lowers.
Did I miss the stock numbers on the 460 and 461?
I didn't add them in, wanted to compare the 3 ported saws, reduce the clutter on the graph.
Wow 461 surprised me!!!
That was fun to watch
As it is, 462 C-M and 500i have the highest power-to-weight ratio stock and the same holds true ported + muffler modded. Dunno if some Husky model can beat them. But if you want a big Stihl and the most power-to-weight you will choose between them. I suppose 500i has better brake spesific fuel consumption (BSFC) and might have more potential for improvement once people can get their hands on remapping ie. chip tuning.
They can pull 32" full chisel. Even 36", but it might be a bit of a stretch.
Is this the newest 462c og the older model?
When the oldest one makes more hp, and the second oldest one makes more torque, what do we need the newest one for? Oh wait a minute, the EPA 👎
About what year did they start changing the ports on the 462?
Stock saw or portet?
As an owner of a stock 046, I'm curious if you ever dynoed one.
Not on this new system.
i’m curious to see the 046 also as i feel my stock 046 makes more power then any ms460 but be tried
I have a 462 that would probably be old with the better exhaust🤔
What saw does better ported 462 vs 500i?
Anh có bán máy cưa StihL 440 không
461 looks the best to me - the orange line - has a lot on the lower end too over the others, and with rpm bogs I'd bet the 461 stay in the powerband in wood better, just a guess - maybe the autotune does better with that but it's behind almost everywhere compared to the 461
Hello Joe, I’m looking at purchasing a new saw. I am between 462, 500i and 661. Would you be able to put together an overlay showing these saws and send it to me by FB Messenger? Or if you can not do this, can you please give me any information that will help me make a decision as to which I might want to go to? I wish to run a 30-32 inch bar, worst case would be 36 inch bar, but not likely. Thank you for any up dance you can offer,
For those size bars I would go 661,500i,462 in that order.
Sorry I do not have a graph with all the limes in 1 page.
Ported 500i may be able to replace the 661 with that size bar depending on what type of cutting. But the 661 is more built for the longer bars.
@@dynojoemods2764 thanks for the feedback. I'm leaning toward the 500i, but not sure since the technology is so new.
ive spilled more gas with these new gas cans without a vent then i ever have with old cans combined
462 vs. 441?
Have not done anything with a 441, but i would go with the 462
I have 460 and 461, and the 460 has faster engine
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Teach me your ways lol
ua-cam.com/video/pQ-1Z_mF-sI/v-deo.html all here buddy in the tree monkey porting series 🤙🏽
61, 46
This sucks as stock power was not included. ported power is subjective
This was to show the power of all 3 ported. Not to show the gains over stock.
Ported 572xp for the win🤘
First
Thank you!
I know everyone has their secrets but..... is there anyway you could touch base on the limited coil swap, I have a hard time getting mine set where I think it should run and am constantly questioning if I'm too lean, it sound right to me in the cut but would love to be able to set it easier.
98% of the time I don't swap the coils. I keep the tune right at/under the limiter, but I tend to run on the rich side. Now I'm not 100% sure but a couple of the 2 leg coils bolt on the 461 to make it unlimited.
I like 460