Beoplay Portal PlayStation / PC With Smart Home Sounds

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  • Опубліковано 6 бер 2022
  • Bang & Olufsen Beoplay Portal Gaming Headset for Playstation 4 / 5 and PC.
    Dolby Atmos, Adaptive Noise Cancellation and Virtual Boom Arm.
    Smart Home Sounds UA-cam Channel
    / smarthomesoundsuk
    SHS Gaming UA-cam Channel
    / @smarthomesoundsgaming
    Smart Home Sounds Store
    www.smarthomesounds.co.uk/
    I hope you enjoyed this collaboration, would you like to see more in the future? - John
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  • @smarthomesounds
    @smarthomesounds 2 роки тому +10

    Thanks for bringing us in on this video John! Great to collaborate on this project and test out the Portals 🎧

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  2 роки тому +3

      My pleasure, thanks for the brilliant footage. Hopefully not the last time we can work together.

  • @AA-yi3po
    @AA-yi3po 2 роки тому +3

    Great content as always John! It’s great to see this collab!

  • @Beefers26
    @Beefers26 2 роки тому +2

    Loving the collaboration John. A great, reliable product - no surprise there! And navy blue was obviously the right choice ;)

  • @soundsheavenly
    @soundsheavenly 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks for another great video John, great to have the gaming input from the guys at Smart Home Sounds

  • @nickywilliams1306
    @nickywilliams1306 2 роки тому

    Awesome collaboration! Another cracking review 🎧

  • @adamharding-jones5935
    @adamharding-jones5935 2 роки тому

    Love mine. Great to see you doing content John

  • @rarityd
    @rarityd 2 роки тому

    it's awesome they made it available for us PC and PS5 users. it's very a very clever moves

  • @katiecolbert-smith3757
    @katiecolbert-smith3757 2 роки тому +1

    Love with collab!!

  • @sheenawarecki92
    @sheenawarecki92 2 роки тому

    Ohhhh I just got my ps4 replaced after it was stolen and can always use good headphones 👀. To bad I live across the pond, I'd have let you try on the ps4 for a review 😂! Gamers and audiophiles unite! The review we did get however was still very solid and awesome!

  • @VaracolacidVesci
    @VaracolacidVesci Рік тому

    Great review, you convinced me to get this over the HX for exactly the reason you said at the end I was trying to find differences besides the wireless dongle connection capabilities on the portal and at least on paper dont seem to be any. Let's hope they live to the hype

  • @michaelsrensen6296
    @michaelsrensen6296 2 роки тому

    I have those and I truly loves them for all purposes. What I would love to have though is dolby atmos on Apple TV. For ps5 aswell but that's (to my knowledge) some licens limitations for some time as atmos is only for xbox for now

  • @army2289
    @army2289 6 місяців тому +1

    I’m about to get me some I’m a big fan of the company

  • @edis.s
    @edis.s Рік тому

    I got the Portal PS/PC yesterday and love them,very comfortable,sound quality is good,the connection with laptop is very good,I didn't notice any lag or latency but the major problem is with battery life,out of the box they had 10% fully charged them and after 1h and a half of gaming they want down to 62% or 1h45min.This morning I connect them to my phone to listen to music and it was showing 61% or 2h13min.I bought them from Smart Home Sounds,I contacted B&O maybe it's a fix for this.

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  Рік тому

      I would suggest a replacement battery this one seems to be malfunctioning.

    • @Insanartist
      @Insanartist Рік тому

      @@BangOlufsenManchester Since the Portal are discontinued is there a way to change the battery ourselves? I heard it's quite difficult to open it.

  • @darryllshaungarland6114
    @darryllshaungarland6114 Рік тому +1

    Amazing headphones and well worth the money!! I've the Grey Mist for Xbox and loving the ANC and Dolby Atmos in Destiny 2 😊👍🏻 Only thing I wish B&O would have included is the headphones pouch same as the PlayStation/PC version.. That said, I might invest in a set of Navy Blue ones when I finally get a PlayStation 5.. 😀

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  Рік тому +2

      Agree with you re the pouch>>

    • @poltergeist7621
      @poltergeist7621 Рік тому +1

      Are you goinf to sell the Xbox version one or will you have both models? I'm wondering which one to get. It would be to use it on the PC for videos and music, and for the Series X, PS5 and Switch. I think I had read that the new model for Playstation has twice the battery, but I'm not sure. If I connect it by cable to the Xbox controller, does it lose quality or would it sound exactly the same as in Wireless/Bluetooth with Dolby Atmos, etc? I think the Xbox model doesn't do that when is connected to the PS5 controller via cable, but idk if it's the same otherwise with this newer model. Also Dolby Atmos is not supported on Playstation, so I wonder if this model supports it on Xbox via cable.

    • @darryllshaungarland6114
      @darryllshaungarland6114 Рік тому

      @@poltergeist7621 ill be keeping both versions

    • @svenm.4802
      @svenm.4802 9 місяців тому

      @@poltergeist7621did you get this question somehow answered?

    • @iishalin
      @iishalin Місяць тому

      @@poltergeist7621You should get thee PS5/PC version because I think you can use the PC dongle on xbox but if not you can always use it wired. I believe Dolby atmos on PS5 is now supported now, and if you use it connected to the controller you’d actually get better sound quality.

  • @JimIBobIJones
    @JimIBobIJones 5 місяців тому +1

    If you are on PC, the xbox version works natively over 2.4ghz wireless if you have a Xbox controller/accessories dongle for PC.
    Given that the PS version is still retailing at full price, whereas the Xbox version has dropped to a 1/3 of its original RRP, its much more sensible to buy the xbox version for PC instead of this new PS one.

  • @JACK-xy5jg
    @JACK-xy5jg 2 роки тому +2

    Interesting , if this headset supports PS5 gaming pulse 3D decodeing,however I wonder if this headset is able to connect any AV amp and supporting Dolby Atmos , such as Yamaha A2A i am using. If it does, this product would be perfect

  • @sonicwong
    @sonicwong 2 роки тому

    Great review! For enjoy movie can we just plug in the dongle into android TV for connecting the headsets? Or need to use PS5 as connecting device?

  • @ericcantu2041
    @ericcantu2041 2 роки тому +1

    Will the new version with dongle work with the series x? I have had quite a few cut outs while connected to Xbox as well as noticing it seems like I get better audio quality over Bt and was really hoping for a version with dongle for better quality while behind able to do Bluetooth and game audio at the same time

  •  5 місяців тому

    Thanks a lot for the great review evreyone! 1 question in mind, would all the opinions and result be applicable to Xbox version too?

  • @ajaykundlas7461
    @ajaykundlas7461 2 роки тому +1

    So does the new version actually have compatibility with the Xbox? I'm looking for a good all-in-one set, and I know it will work with the Switch, PS5, and PC, but Xbox always seems to require dedicated gear to work properly.

  • @UptownNYC
    @UptownNYC Рік тому +1

    Does the Beoplay (PS/PC) support Playstation 5 default spatial audio Tempest 3D?? Please advise, since Dolby Atmos support is irrelevant on PS5 since it doesn't support it. Thanks.

  • @notyetdead8804
    @notyetdead8804 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks John, great video. One quick question if you don't mind, is it possible to use audio from two sources at once specifically, either wireless and Bluetooth or cable and Bluetooth? Many thanks!

    • @adityadhar5611
      @adityadhar5611 2 роки тому +1

      I got them a day ago. You can have two wireless sources at once but when you have a cable it's only line in which is a huge disappointment for me.

    • @notyetdead8804
      @notyetdead8804 2 роки тому

      Thanks @@adityadhar5611 sadly too late I just ordered the Technics A800s and will buy a separate gaming pair. Yes you're right on the cable that seems to be quite common these days, which is frustrating indeed.

  • @daveallenwex1962
    @daveallenwex1962 8 місяців тому

    Great product and delighted with mine but got no case or dongles with my three …. yes I got one of each colour 😅😅😅

  • @Jack_BT-7274
    @Jack_BT-7274 2 роки тому

    I know the xbox portals exists but could I use the Playstation version on xbox at all via the dongle, 3.5mm? What connections would work if any with sound & mic??

  • @Ajin718
    @Ajin718 2 роки тому +4

    is the dongle sold separately? I have the XBSX version and I when I connect to pc via BT (not the Xbox wireless adapter) the sound quality drops. but when I connect with USB its perfect. Any ideas on what i should do here?

    • @dupreymartin1
      @dupreymartin1 Рік тому

      Same here PS /PC version better cuz it come with dongle guess we’ll have to spend more money on a separate dongle which for the price it should be available for both

  • @felixibarra572
    @felixibarra572 Рік тому

    Hey! If I buy the PC PS version and connect via 3.5mm to my Xbox will Dolby atmos work? Of course assuming I purchase Dolby atmos for Xbox

  • @mikkelselin31
    @mikkelselin31 2 роки тому

    I must sound so stupid, but I never tried anything apart from wired headsets. Can I use the wire on this headset, and the mic will still work or

  • @CptAloevera
    @CptAloevera Рік тому

    Does the usb c reciever also work with cb version?

  • @adilb
    @adilb Рік тому

    Can i connect this to my phone and play music from there??

  • @MrEddyedr
    @MrEddyedr 2 роки тому

    I wish it was an all in one, not a have to get 2 to use on both systems. It really does take out of the “premium”.

    • @JohnJDurkin
      @JohnJDurkin 2 роки тому

      You can use on both - I have the Xbox set and use on both Xbox and PlayStation, for PlayStation you just aux to the controller

    • @MrEddyedr
      @MrEddyedr 2 роки тому +1

      @@JohnJDurkin I meant as in wireless.

  • @Bro-tr2xq
    @Bro-tr2xq 2 роки тому

    Hi John, can you pls help me with the best setup i.e connecting the hdmi cables, for my xbox series S and Beosound stage with my LG C1 TV. I really appreciate your help. Btw after your video i just bought the portal in grey mist. Thank you

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  2 роки тому +1

      HDMI from Xbox Series S straight to the TV so it can use the instant game response and you have the option for 4K 60Hz or 1440p at 120 Hz. The LG will pass Dolby Atmos to the Stage via the eARC HDMI connection. Make sure you have the Dolby Access app installed on the XBox.

    • @Bro-tr2xq
      @Bro-tr2xq 2 роки тому

      @@BangOlufsenManchester so from Xbox series S, hdmi to standard hdmi socket on TV, and for the soundbar, hdmi earc into the TV hdmi earc socket correct?

  • @lordkrutor4642
    @lordkrutor4642 2 роки тому +1

    Bought the the og Portal recently to mainly use with a pc, love them otherwise but the connection via Xbox wireless adapter sucks donkey balls, signal breaks constanly.. have you tested if the usb adapter works with the Xbox version Portals, and if so, do you have any idea if B&O is going to sell the adapter separately?

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  2 роки тому

      That made me laugh! I've not used the XBox adapter, only the native XBox connection and wired connection to my laptop and BT to my phone and TV. I'll have to check if the new dongle works with the Xbox version.

    • @poltergeist7621
      @poltergeist7621 Рік тому

      I think it doesn't work because Microsoft own sound licenceship via wireless/bluetooth (that's why there are headset models for Xbox and for other platforms separately). You can still connect to the Xbox via cable to the controller, but I just want to know if the quality drops or not. I think the Xbox model doesn't do that when is connected to the PS5 controller via cable, bit idk if it's the same otherwise with this newer model. Also Dolby Atmos is not supported on Playstation, so I wonder if this model supports it on Xbox via cable.

  • @khoatrieudinh7596
    @khoatrieudinh7596 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the great content! Although there's one thing I'm a little confused, there has been mentioned in this video that this headphones support Dolby Atmos, it make sense for the Xbox version but PlayStation doesn't support Dolby Atmos, to what I understand, so I'm wondering when 3D audio being mentioned while playing on PS5, any chance they meant the PS5's proprietary 3D audio processing? or is this headphones actually allows you to use Dolby Atmos on PS5?

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  2 роки тому +4

      I'm trying to find out as I don't have a PS5. It looks like PS5 supports Atmos for Blu-ray movies and streaming but games use Sony's own 3D audio, for now anyway. PC, just like XBox needs you to install the Dolby Access app.

  • @poltergeist7621
    @poltergeist7621 Рік тому +1

    What is the difference between this 2022 model and the 2021 Xbox modelo apart from the fact that, obviously, it will no longer be able to connect/synchronize with the Xbox via wireless (2.5hz frequency)? I'm wondering which one to get. It would be to use it on the PC for videos and music, and for the Series X, PS5 and Switch. I think I had read that the new model for Playstation has twice the battery, but I'm not sure. If I connect it by cable to the Xbox controller, does it lose quality or would it sound exactly the same as in Wireless/Bluetooth with Dolby Atmos, etc? Also Dolby Atmos is not supported on Playstation, so I wonder if this model supports it on Xbox via cable.

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  Рік тому

      I would strongly suggest you call in and see a store as soon as possible as these have now been discontinued

  • @csaba5415
    @csaba5415 2 роки тому

    A war game as number one choice these days to demo a new product? :/ Of course you could argue that people used to play CoD before February yet we didn’t think it was wrong, but I’m still not so sure when they could have chosen something else this time. Apart from that, an informative and comprehensive review from both sides. Good work, John, thank you for bringing it all together!

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Csaba, my channel is a politics free zone, I get your point but it's just a popular game that lots of people play. I don't play COD myself but that's because I'm rubbish at it! I certainly never intend to upset anyone. All the best -John.

    • @csaba5415
      @csaba5415 2 роки тому

      @@BangOlufsenManchester My comment was by no means targeted at you. Rather your contributors. I did not assume they had bad intentions either. I only meant to say I found it an odd choice from them. You are right that a lot of people play it around the world. No hard feelings really and I get it that it will sadly make no difference whether or not people play it. Once again, the review from both you and the fellow channel was excellent! I will leave politics off your channel. This was the first and last time :).

  • @gabbingabout
    @gabbingabout 2 роки тому +2

    Can the dongle (or another dongle) be purchased separately? I own the Xbox variant, but I'd love to be able to use them via 2.4ghz on my PlayStation.

    • @JohnJDurkin
      @JohnJDurkin 2 роки тому +1

      I’m interested in this too John - picked up my Xbox pair from you on launch and I know you can use with the ps5 by wiring to the controller - but I’d like the dongle if possible..!

    • @gabbingabout
      @gabbingabout 2 роки тому

      @@JohnJDurkin B&O on Twitter said we can, and to contact my local store. They had no stock :(

  • @ivonikolov6386
    @ivonikolov6386 Рік тому

    thank you, may I ask if I have Mac book pro can I use the beoplay portal and wich version.i have also windows laptop if need it.

  • @franziskalippuner7378
    @franziskalippuner7378 8 місяців тому

    Is it possible to use the Beoplay Portal PS/PC or the Xbox version for Microsoft Video Calls on my HP laptop, when they are connectet to the laptop via bluetooth or pluged in via cable??? So I want to use it as a video call headset. Would that work? Because i like the B&O sound and I like the ANC in a crowdy office.
    Thanks for giving me your advice! All the best from Switzerland.

  • @stevejones3229
    @stevejones3229 3 місяці тому

    I miss my guy

  • @EnglishInterpreter
    @EnglishInterpreter 2 роки тому +2

    I tried them on in a B&O store in London last weekend, and I had to crank up the volume to 80% to get a decent sound level out of them -and I don't enjoy loud music, by the way. The low volume issue made me decide against buying them despite appreciating everything else about them

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  2 роки тому +1

      Volume is very subjective, I sometimes use them at 80% too at home but rarely need anything higher. Once at 90% I find it too loud, but everyone is different. Still worth pointing out for people that like it super loud. (Look after your ears kids 😉)

    • @EnglishInterpreter
      @EnglishInterpreter 2 роки тому

      @@BangOlufsenManchester I could not agree more about looking after the hearing. However, it is worth pointing out that at 50% volume, I couldn't literally hear any sound at all. The unit was brand new (out of the box) and two other people I was with felt the same about the need to crank up the volume. The unit was connected via Bluetooth to a Pixel 4a phone and the music I listened to during testing was through Spotify hi quality downloaded songs which ranged from clear vocals pop to hip hop to electro pop. We even asked the store representative to update the firmware, but the volume remained too low even after the firmware update.

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  2 роки тому

      @@EnglishInterpreter Oh wow, that doesn't sound right, mine at home aren't quite like that! I'm on Pixel 6 and on BT 50% is listenable on Spotify Premium and my TV.

    • @EnglishInterpreter
      @EnglishInterpreter 2 роки тому +1

      @@BangOlufsenManchester I will try them again with my Pixel 4a's maximum volume limit function disabled. Apparently, that function limits the BT volume significantly and it is activated by default. Could you try deactivating the volume limit and confirm whether at 50% they are significantly louder whilst connected to your phone by BT? To deactivate the volume limit, you would go to:
      Settings
      About phone
      Build number (click in 'build number' until you enter the developer mode)
      Developer mode
      System
      Scroll down until you see 'disable absolute volume' slider and then click on it to deactivate it.

  • @andydefrain8955
    @andydefrain8955 6 місяців тому +1

    Dieser Kopfhörer ist eine absolute Enttäuschung. Zumindest was den Sound betrifft. Da gibt es nichts gut zu reden.

  • @RobertKowalew
    @RobertKowalew 2 роки тому

    Does the Dongle works with Steam Deck/Linux? And with the Nintendo Switch? . One headset for PC, Steam Deck, Switch and smartphone, that would be the reason for purchase for me. Just a pity that the dongle is not flat. Actually only because of the Switch. With the Steam Deck, the USB-C port is fortunately on top.

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Rodebert, anything with USB audio output should work with the Portal PC/PS. Looks like you're in luck, after a quick search all of your devices seem to support USB audio. -John.

    • @RobertKowalew
      @RobertKowalew 2 роки тому

      @@BangOlufsenManchester Nice, thank you for the answer. Then I am now looking forward to my Portal in a few days. I almost had the Xbox version, but not being able to hear the sound from the gaming device and the BT source at the same time was an huge drawback.
      I know the portal have many positive points. But what really convinces me is the fact that it is a headphone with great sound and ANC for: (home) office, making calls on PC, making calls on smartphone, wireless gaming headset on gaming PC, on the go on Steamdeck, on Switch. That sounds really good, but why is there no case included?
      Now an additional InEar version, please. Exactly the same, with a dongle and all the other features. You know, for hot days or traveling with light luggage ;P

  • @pcprincipal9889
    @pcprincipal9889 10 місяців тому

    does ANC neutral mean 'off'? If so, can it be turned completely off without using the app?

  • @juliocezar9990
    @juliocezar9990 Рік тому

    what are the differences for Beoplay HX? in addition to connecting to xbox and playstation

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  Рік тому

      its the same headphone . please note some locations selling this at 50% off so its a bargain (at the time of writing )

  • @arch173ct
    @arch173ct 2 роки тому

    Can I use the ps / pc dongle on an xbox series x? I use all 3 gaming platforms and want to use one set for all 3. Thanks.

    • @djneo92nl
      @djneo92nl 2 роки тому

      Also wondering this, I think it might work but only as a sound output

    • @arch173ct
      @arch173ct 2 роки тому

      @@djneo92nl after some research I have come to the conclusion that it will not work. They set it up well so you can’t have one set of headphones for everything! This is just bad design really. They should have made the dongles assignable and allowed for up to 3 dongles per set of portals. And allowed you to switch between the dongles with a button press. This would have made them one set for pc / Xbox and / ps5. Anyway I hate that almost no companies actually build what people actually want.

  • @maddymax90
    @maddymax90 8 місяців тому

    I wanna buy this headphone just for listening to music and playing game on my smartphone. Is it suitable for daily use? Hope to get some advice from you. Thanks in advance...😀

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  8 місяців тому

      great headphones for daily use and if you can get a pair now at a very good price enjoy

  • @Jesus-kg4xe
    @Jesus-kg4xe 7 місяців тому

    HOPE SOMEONE COULD HELP ME 🥺😭 I really enjoy the Bose 700 signature sound but I’ve read some comments saying the B&O are the best (and Indo believe it) so here is my question between the Portal HX and H95 (just sound quality) bc I’m mainly focused on the sound quality for Apple Music and movies, wich is the best ? Or they all sound the same? Please I really need your help

    • @Goryglory0209
      @Goryglory0209 7 місяців тому +1

      For Apple Music and Apple TV get a beats or Apple Airpods Pro

    • @Jesus-kg4xe
      @Jesus-kg4xe 7 місяців тому

      @@Goryglory0209thank you! Do you think AirPods Max sounds better than the H95?

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  7 місяців тому

      best value by miles are the portal headphones as they are being sold off ... h95 are the best sound if you want to spend the money

  • @Zaronahh
    @Zaronahh 2 роки тому

    Can you mute the microphone on the headset itself?

    • @laurentsaint-louis4818
      @laurentsaint-louis4818 2 роки тому

      From what I understand, you tap the ear cup to mute, but it also works if you mute with the button on the PS5 controller.

  • @reverendknox
    @reverendknox Рік тому

    I’m still mad that you guys removed the volume slider in the app.

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  Рік тому

      erm sorry wasnt me.. but agree..

    • @reverendknox
      @reverendknox Рік тому

      @@BangOlufsenManchester you should reach out and try to convince them to re-implement that feature

  • @youtubechannel-ez4wx
    @youtubechannel-ez4wx 8 місяців тому

    is it compatible with phone or ipod or any DAC, direct with bluetooth?

  • @HurricaneTBag
    @HurricaneTBag Рік тому

    Do you have a device that works for all consoles?

  • @chriswhite5410
    @chriswhite5410 Рік тому

    can you plug the dongle in to a tv

  • @blueandwhiteeighttwo
    @blueandwhiteeighttwo Рік тому

    How do they perform in planes?

    • @steviegbcool
      @steviegbcool Рік тому

      not bad. They cut out the low level drone though you still might hear a baby crying ect. Not as good as the sony or bose. they cut out pretty much everything. Though comfort might be a bigger factor. To me these felt more comfortable than the Sony xm 4 but not as comfortable as the lighter bose 45. Sound wise for the money i was a bit disappointed they sound very similar to the bose .Sony sounded better to me had more punch. However they are better for gaming. Though really you could get a pair of sony xm3s for travelling and music and a pair better gaming headphones for the same money. So they dont make much sense to me.

    • @blueandwhiteeighttwo
      @blueandwhiteeighttwo Рік тому

      @@steviegbcool thanks for the feedback. With music on at half volume and anc on will the engine noise be gone?

    • @steviegbcool
      @steviegbcool Рік тому

      @@blueandwhiteeighttwo yeah

  • @enijize1234
    @enijize1234 6 місяців тому

    Can u dial them up to 11?

  • @Stefan-sc7xl
    @Stefan-sc7xl Рік тому +1

    That's all good and dandy, but they're 500 bucks.. so, uhm. useless? Who pays as much for the headphones as a console itself. Plus, why the f don't headphones exist I can use on Playstation, Xbox and Phone?!

  • @jeffreyb2777
    @jeffreyb2777 2 роки тому

    𝐩𝓻Ỗ𝓂Ø𝓈M 😈

  • @radrums7362
    @radrums7362 7 місяців тому

    Don’t buy this P.O.S. It’s terrible.

  • @radrums7362
    @radrums7362 9 місяців тому

    My US$ 170 Roland headphones goes from 4kHZ to 40kHZ 😆

    • @BangOlufsenManchester
      @BangOlufsenManchester  8 місяців тому

      I am sure they do..

    • @radrums7362
      @radrums7362 7 місяців тому

      @@BangOlufsenManchester they do. And guess what!? My wife got me a pair of Portals as a gift, because she doesn’t know any better: bad ANC, average sound, poor BT connection, clunky controls, weak passive sound isolation (good construction though…).
      Overall a terrible purchase, considering the price. Those are worth US$ 100, being generous.
      (And no case? That useless fabric pouch went straight to the bin. You guys are cheap as heck).