FRIEDMAN vs BOGNER Cabinet Blind Test!
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2017
- I recommend you use good pair of headphones or good speakers.
This is a comaprison of the CABINETS ONLY. The picture in the thumbnail shows 2 stacks, but as it says in the beginning- head used for both cabinets is Friedman, so the test is between
Friedman 2x12 8ohm V30 closedback cabinet
and
Bogner 2x12 8ohm V30 oversized closedback cabinet
BotanicalTuna
music used in the background: Jackknife - Ciężar Istnienia
You play great. Sweet selection of riffs. I found my preferred cab changed depending on the example. Time and place for all the neat gear.
Oh, how interesting! I listened on studio monitors, then on laptop and then on phone to refresh my perception. :) Each has its advantages, but at the half of the video, I went for an A. The reason is a dominating harsh saturation somewhere 4kHz+ and a scoop in the midrange, which is the most defining aspect of guitar tone. Speaker A can be EQ'ed with amp knobs to be more similar to B, but B will nevar be as A. Yes, B is brighter and can be good in mix, but it truly sounds unbalanced with holes in spectrum.
Actually I'm in a search for a cabinet and this convinced me how other cheaper cabinets with the same speakers compare to more expensive ones.
I can hear the sound of a Bogner instantly. Clarity. Balanced. 3D and, ehem, woody!
that was my experience too
Cool. I own the Friedman JJ head and was looking for a 2x12 for it, so this helped!
Warm Chord Music Hey I have a Friedman head also which one did you get?
100W or 20W? Glad I could help :)
Hey bro what modle is that bogner ? I want to buy one.
Before even listening, I am so happy you made this video. I just picked up a friedman SS-100 v2 and am trying to figure out which 4x12 to go with.
I've always loved the sound from my Dad's Bogner cab's but was wondering if I should just bite the bullet and get a Friedman cab to match or if I should run a Bogner, I have a feeling it could be quite the combo.
Anyways, I'll listen in and if you're interested keep you updated on the route I go! This video will no doubt help me lock in my choice.
Thanks!!
Try the vertical slant Friedman 2x12. Amazing!
Nothing comes close to the perfection of Bogner cabinets
I definitely prefer A a lot. Richer low end but still articulate. B sounds a bit brittle by comparison but also a but murky at the same time.
which is funny considered the size of the cabinet
So close a simple twist of the eq knobs would make both sound identical. Get whatever inspires you. Looks... sound.... size... as long as you’re inspired and want to play.
Love the sounds of both. Which one sounds bigger and chunkier in the room for hard rock / metal?
Guessed correctly even before hearing them first example of the B cab… 🤣
I’ve had a Bogner OS 2x12 for 18 years, long enough to know V30’s don’t have that typical V30 harsh crispness in that cab, for some reason.
I liked A better. I guess Bogner it is. It’s crazy how different two cabs with the same speakers can sound.
Hi Tomasz, very good comparison ! I go with A, the Bogner. For me the Bogner has more "meat" and the Friedman sounds a little bit fizzy. Best regards - Uwe
and this meat was exactly what stole my heart, thanks!
Tomasz Gutka - I still use the Bogner 🤘
Interesting comparison. I think the cabinets reflect the inherent tone of the respective amplifier brands. Bogner = thick and chewy. Friedman = tight and more compressed. Both sound great, but I would choose the Bogner. Someone commented that they would sound fantastic together and I agree.
I agree. There are attributes that the amp contribute, and attributes that the speaker contribute. These amps are more similar in tone than the speakers are. Most of what we are hearing is the speaker. I would most likely prefer the Friedman head with the bogner cabinet. To each their own.
Listening on Kali LP-6 and Sony MDR 7506 here. It seems like the Bogner cabinet has some resonant lows while while the Friedman has some resonant upper mids/highs.
I like the Friedman better for distortion. More clarity in the upper mids but still punchy in the lows. However I think the Bogner sounds better on the clean channel where its resonant lows help give a beautiful clean tone.
Choosing between the two, the Friedmans are made in Southern California and you can get them on payment plan from Zzounds. Bogners are Chinese made except for the Bogner Custom Shop items. I'm still undecided on a cabinet, but I'm looking more towards the Friedmans every day.
thanks for this detailed opinion! This Bogner cab says "CUSTOM SHOP" on the back so I guess it's not Chinese. Also, I tried open back and other cabs from Bogner, but none of them even came close, so that may be the one that's quality made. Bonus fact: It has some kind of a thick foam on the back inside the cab, which other cabs don't have
@@TomaszGutka I have 2 bogner 212 cabs like that, and both have that white foam inside on the back panel ... I thought it's a given...
@@CROiga yeah, but that's specific to oversized closed back only, open backs and smaller closed backs don't have it
The Bogner is more neutral, the Friedman projects more of that treble spike you get with the Chinese V30's, might help cut through in a mix but there bass is also quite woofy. The Friedman might come across a little more 3D at low volume in say a bedroom or guitar store but it a band setting the novelty would soon wear off, my pick still goes to the Bogner.
Nice comparison! Is the speaker wiring in both cabs the same (parallel or series)? I'm trying to figure out if I can mimic the tone of the Friedman cab with a couple of v30 speakers and a cheap cab enclosure. If the tone comes from the actual construction of the cab enclosure then I guess I can only save up for a real Friedman cab
There definitely is something different about a well constructed cabinet. In a lot of cases...the Friedman, Bogner, Splawn, Orange, Engl, Hesu cabs you get what you pay for in construction and awesome tone. Definitely worth the extra ## for me. 🤘🤘🤘
Was the Friedman cab ported?
They both sound good to me, but I'm guessing A=Bogner cause it seems like it has more bottom end due to larger cab? I was right!
Considering they have the exact same speaker combination with closed backs I’m surprised anyone can tell a difference. But A does sound broken in where b sounds like new.
thanks for posting. Perhaps you should share the settings of both amps. I guarantee if you run blue channel on 101b with A class, New mode, B2 and excursion T it would yield different result. 101b is very versatile amp and can give you lots of different tones.
There was only one amp, Friedman JJ100. What changes is the cabinet :) so there are no settings attributing to the difference
@@TomaszGutka :))) sorry I thought you were comparing two amps
Both good but Bogner was a little warmer and fuller, Friedman a little more clarity.
it fits this style better, but I bet metal guys would like what the Friedman does
This could largely be due to mic placement differences; were you able to view the cone through the tolex grills to confirm similar placing on both cabs? Just curious as I wouldn't expect such a difference from a cab when close-mic'd.
I made sure the are positioned exactly the same, I always use flashlight to check where the center of the cone is
@@TomaszGutka very interesting, then! Thanks for the reply :-)
I prefer A for its clarity and because it's pleasant for the ear.
exactly, the clarity is the key here
I like both quite a bit but the Bogner is a bit more balanced and pleasing. I like the clarity of the highs from the Friedman at certain points as well. So the question is can one cab move a bit in the other cabs territory if need be? Would it be fair to say that clarity is the only thing you can't add without changing the EQ without changing the character with treble? Is it a true statement to say that if you like the sound of both cabs buying the one with more clarity would give you more options with EQ for different sounds? I think I hear a more detailed sound from the Bogner but I don't really trust my ears at this point.
Ignore all that, just listened again, I'm officially in the Bogner camp. The clean section alone is so much more pleasant.
Talking to myself here, ha!, the weird bit about the Friedman is it seems as though you get almost a flat slightly muted range that add a greater contrast to when the amp\cab nail an especially pleasing note\chord. Like a rainy day where the all of a sudden the Sun shines bright. The Bogner is just a beautiful Summer day without the contrast.
Surely the volumetric differences come into play? It would've been interesting to compares the two brands if the cabinets were the same size.
Size is the main difference here, but both are close-mic'ed and have the same speaker (and also 2x12) so it's interesting to hear how much it still influences the sound
I have the same Friedman and was happy to find out I recognized it between the two. It's too shrill. Makes good amps sound bad IMO. I don't like it at all and now I'll send it back for a Bogner to be paired with my new Bogner 3534. Thanks for the demo!
Why would you of had a Friedman cab with a Bogner amp in the first place? Just curious.
@@Justafeller I bought a Friedman JJ with it.
Dang , I was gonna get a Friedman but now I don’t know 🤔
It still might work for you! Have you tried either one since commenting maybe?
the b is really harsh typical of v30 the highs are harsh the mids not soft enough ... the a is more melodious the best tones are with soft highs and pronounced mids (warm)
They both sound good. I think B would sound better in a mix because it has a little more cut to my ears around 5-7k.
I personally would use them both in a track and it would probably sound killer!
I don't have the best ears all around but I agree with you, the highs seems to be a bit more present at certain peak points which I liked quite a bit. The Bogner I found a bit more pleasing and balanced but that bit of sharp peak with the Friedman is something I really like. Both still sound pretty damn good. Bogner is a bit more easy to find used and generally at a better price as well. Tough choice...hehe. If you had to pull the trigger on only one what would you go with?
Character In the video It's great, I like it a lot $$
B is better for livey riffs. Knee jerk reaction lends people to go with a thicker guitar tone but character isn’t considered . B has more character , a is simply flatter and more in your face , takes up frequencies more
Vital to vocals and other instruments
Also when recording you tend to double guitars, doubling a would get too quick I think
I like A best
0:34 start
A for the win
according to the comment section, it's clearly the winner here!
are both rear loaded or is one front loaded?
to be honest, I'm not really sure, sorry
I like the Bogner for its woody tone. Sounds especially nice using clean tones. But I think the Friedman cab is a very close second and perhaps a little more versatile in the sense I think it cuts better and would be better for metal. It's hard because I actually like the Bogner better, but can see where my style might benefit more with the Friedman. Ugh!!! Why did I watch this video lol.
Lmao same
Well I’ve owned both cabs at the same time, still own the Friedman. Also that Friedman is not meant to be on wheels plus the cab size of the Bogner is much much larger - it’s 4x12 sized. The Friedman is more compact. I highly prefer the Friedman’s sound and ergonomics
I have the Bogner and it's oversized, but certainly not a 4x12 cab. Not sure if that's what you meant.
Either way, it sounds great and was my choice in the blind test.
one thing I've noticed right away is how smooth the wheels were working on the Friedman + small form factor of couse, I had trouble deciding between them because of ergonomics
Dobry test. Dla mnie bogner rządzi.
I picked B for Friedman. They both sounded great.
The bogner sounds like a smaller cabinet, the friedman has much more low end. Are you sure you have the A and B right? sounds backwards to me
low end difference can be attributed to the depth of the cabinet. Bogner is slimmer and in addition to that, it is padded with some kind of foam on the inside of the back. Friedman is much deeper with no padding and it's the same case as with Mesa recto cab which is almost identical in dimensions and has very similar, scooped and rich in low end sound
Tomasz Gutka can the Friedman be EQ'ed to sound the same as the Bogner? I like your answer by the way
of course it can be tweaked a litte, but even if you add mids on the EQ, they still sound "sharp", but I can promise they both sound great in the mix- I had various cabinets: mesa (recto, compact and thiele), orange (closed and open), vox, bogner, friedman, ross tone, laboga, fender and I end up leaving Bogner, but Friedman gets the second place. Also, what annoyed me in most cabinets was how difficult they were to carry. Bogner has handles on the side, which are the best (especially when you put head on top and you want to lift it while moving, for example cables or door still), while still having one handle on top which helps when I put it in a trunk of my car and wheels that can be quickly detatched. So it combines all the good stuff from all the cabinets mentioned in one, plus it makes the least noice around due to the foam inside and it has tilted front so it's easier to hear live. I heard that open back option of this cab is not as good, but I had no chance to compare them myself
A imho. Winning with the straight into Tool... :-)
That was voted for in about the first 10 secs probably. I then continued to like it better all the way through a lot more to the point I thought the Bogner had clothes-lined it, then had given it the chair by the end. Interesting. Not in any rush to compare either directly to my Diezel 212FL with V30s as I'm pretty happy with that and shouldn't be on YT looking at gear reviews anyway. >_
Adam's riffs sound great on their own, perfect for guitar tests!
The Friedman sounds like a line 6 spider 15w
we wouldn't laugh at them if that was the case :D
Think the mic placement wasn't exactly the same on the two...shouldn't be that big a difference between them...or is there?😕
I did my best trying to set the mic in the exact distance from the speaker and I used laser pointer to place the mic as identical as possible in relation to speaker for both cabs (I aimed for the edge of the cap, straight, no tilt). Also the room was the same, I swapped the cabinets (both on casters) and just tweaked the mic stand as described. Plus no post production, that's the raw recording from SM57 straight into the Focusrite interface. So yeah- that's almost entirely the difference of the cabinet itself, I can also confirm that's true to the difference I was hearing while testing them side by side for over a week.
I want A.
Bogner ate the Friedman for lunch .
was easy to tell which was the bogner
I like A
B sounds great too, it has just a tad more presence, but the low mid chunk of A was nice. Either would work out great. Not tone related but just an annoyance. The Friedman cabs lack of side handles and casters for the same price as the Bogner drives me nuts.
sound like the Friedman have the Chinese version of the V30's and Bogner the UK.
That is good observation, I listened again and have to agree..
Nope! It's one of the interesting Facts, that the Bogner also has Chinese V30's, but sounds like UK-Versions!
A
A is modern , B is vintage . as you like.
My guess is A is the Bogner. B sounds a little more raw & brighter. Both sound amazing, but I like A just a bit more.
Edit: nailed it. Thank goodness... I get to keep my Ecstasy.
I like B better . Sounded more expressive to be.
B > A
unpopular opinion here, thank you!
They both sound his
Bogner is the real deal !!!
B all day except the clean part.
Bogner wins
Bogner sounded best
B
A is the friedman
A was Bogner.
yes, at the end I show which was which
I prefer B...Friedman. More present.
Wrong
@@Drogers8675 how can an opinion be “wrong”?? 🤔
@@tomulator wrong again.::
marshall wins!!
both are modded marshalls haha! :D
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