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Before even listening, I am so happy you made this video. I just picked up a friedman SS-100 v2 and am trying to figure out which 4x12 to go with. I've always loved the sound from my Dad's Bogner cab's but was wondering if I should just bite the bullet and get a Friedman cab to match or if I should run a Bogner, I have a feeling it could be quite the combo. Anyways, I'll listen in and if you're interested keep you updated on the route I go! This video will no doubt help me lock in my choice. Thanks!!

wow super cool. how did you get the tempo of your sequence to match the delay artifacts on the strymon? midi control?

You play great. Sweet selection of riffs. I found my preferred cab changed depending on the example. Time and place for all the neat gear.

Great tones!

Bogner is the real deal !!!

Bogner ate the Friedman for lunch .

Love the sounds of both. Which one sounds bigger and chunkier in the room for hard rock / metal?

Oh, how interesting! I listened on studio monitors, then on laptop and then on phone to refresh my perception. :) Each has its advantages, but at the half of the video, I went for an A. The reason is a dominating harsh saturation somewhere 4kHz+ and a scoop in the midrange, which is the most defining aspect of guitar tone. Speaker A can be EQ'ed with amp knobs to be more similar to B, but B will nevar be as A. Yes, B is brighter and can be good in mix, but it truly sounds unbalanced with holes in spectrum. Actually I'm in a search for a cabinet and this convinced me how other cheaper cabinets with the same speakers compare to more expensive ones.

the b is really harsh typical of v30 the highs are harsh the mids not soft enough ... the a is more melodious the best tones are with soft highs and pronounced mids (warm)

Lubię sobie przypomnieć ten kawałek raz na jakiś czas, a dopiero teraz zauważyłam Jarocin 😮

Considering they have the exact same speaker combination with closed backs I’m surprised anyone can tell a difference. But A does sound broken in where b sounds like new.

Which song was the riff of 1:36 ? I cant remember damn it.

Guessed correctly even before hearing them first example of the B cab… 🤣 I’ve had a Bogner OS 2x12 for 18 years, long enough to know V30’s don’t have that typical V30 harsh crispness in that cab, for some reason.

I own both these cabs and really love both of them but IMO the Mesa sounds better and more balanced overall. I gig with the Mesa way more. The Bogner is a killer cab but slightly the more harsh sounding of the 2 in real life. Just my opinion.

Nice comparison! Is the speaker wiring in both cabs the same (parallel or series)? I'm trying to figure out if I can mimic the tone of the Friedman cab with a couple of v30 speakers and a cheap cab enclosure. If the tone comes from the actual construction of the cab enclosure then I guess I can only save up for a real Friedman cab

Nothing comes close to the perfection of Bogner cabinets

I don't understand but I trust you bro

0:34 start

A is modern , B is vintage . as you like.

B is better for livey riffs. Knee jerk reaction lends people to go with a thicker guitar tone but character isn’t considered . B has more character , a is simply flatter and more in your face , takes up frequencies more Vital to vocals and other instruments Also when recording you tend to double guitars, doubling a would get too quick I think

I like B better . Sounded more expressive to be.

Bogner

Hi, I'm trying to connect my Moog Sub37 to the Timeline, but somehow no response comes. I currently go out from the Moog at Midi Out and into the Timeline at Midi IN. But somehow I don't hear any effect. Do you have an idea? I have an audio interface with me. Do I need to somehow connect an audio cable from the timeline to the audio interface here? Thx Toby

Uhhh….I think the Les Paul sounds MUCH BETTER….than the Les Paul. Fight me!

The Bogner is more neutral, the Friedman projects more of that treble spike you get with the Chinese V30's, might help cut through in a mix but there bass is also quite woofy. The Friedman might come across a little more 3D at low volume in say a bedroom or guitar store but it a band setting the novelty would soon wear off, my pick still goes to the Bogner.

chinese V30 in the bogner right ?

I use a Neunaber. 😁

They both sound good to me, but I'm guessing A=Bogner cause it seems like it has more bottom end due to larger cab? I was right!

Character In the video It's great, I like it a lot $$

This could largely be due to mic placement differences; were you able to view the cone through the tolex grills to confirm similar placing on both cabs? Just curious as I wouldn't expect such a difference from a cab when close-mic'd.

Was the Friedman cab ported?

Surely the volumetric differences come into play? It would've been interesting to compares the two brands if the cabinets were the same size.

was easy to tell which was the bogner

thanks for posting. Perhaps you should share the settings of both amps. I guarantee if you run blue channel on 101b with A class, New mode, B2 and excursion T it would yield different result. 101b is very versatile amp and can give you lots of different tones.

B all day except the clean part.

I like the Bogner for its woody tone. Sounds especially nice using clean tones. But I think the Friedman cab is a very close second and perhaps a little more versatile in the sense I think it cuts better and would be better for metal. It's hard because I actually like the Bogner better, but can see where my style might benefit more with the Friedman. Ugh!!! Why did I watch this video lol.

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I have the same Friedman and was happy to find out I recognized it between the two. It's too shrill. Makes good amps sound bad IMO. I don't like it at all and now I'll send it back for a Bogner to be paired with my new Bogner 3534. Thanks for the demo!

Interesting comparison. I think the cabinets reflect the inherent tone of the respective amplifier brands. Bogner = thick and chewy. Friedman = tight and more compressed. Both sound great, but I would choose the Bogner. Someone commented that they would sound fantastic together and I agree.

I liked A better. I guess Bogner it is. It’s crazy how different two cabs with the same speakers can sound.

Bogner. In all aspects.

Try the vertical slant Friedman 2x12. Amazing!

They both sound his

Mesa for metal. Bogner for everything else.

sound like the Friedman have the Chinese version of the V30's and Bogner the UK.

Bogner sounded best

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Good video, while the Bogner OS 2x12 is more open, keep in mind that Mesa has Celestion make their own voiced V30's and they are NOT the same as the regular v30's found in the Bogner OS 2x12, so it is not a 100% fair comparison.

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