UPGRADING MY MARSHALL CAB - V30 vs Greenback comparison
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2021
- Switched out the speakers in my Marshall cabinet and put in some Greenback 25W. Lets compare!
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Remember my Marshall 4x12 that sounded hollow? Well I upgraded the speakers to Celestion Greenback 25W.
Good decision Sir! Greenback wins. Always. Every time.
Bro they sound great!
Which greenbacks ? New Chinese 16 ohms ?
Try the mesa speaker in the marshall
Gotta break those speakers in for about 30-40 hours and they'll sound a lot better.
It's almost scary how much better the greenback equipped Marshall cab sounds here. The midrange is extremely pleasing, tons of more low end, doesn't have that awful high end sizzle but it's still present just enough, it's just better.
Yeah. That sizzle is a too muddy for rhythm, I mean unless you just chug all the time. Those V30s are better for lead. I'd go with the Greenbacks like 90% of the time
In a mix the harshness of the V30 high end helps cut
Yeah, but what does it matter that everyone can hear you when you sound like absolute dogshit? Sure, V30s cut like nothing because they have a huge ice picky high midrange/treble spike, but they're still an ass fucking speaker. @@finnancahill2644
Almost like the 5150 circuit was voiced with Eddie's Greenback Marshall cab in mind.
The greenbacks just sound classic. Great metal sound.
No matter the genre, greenbacks are my favorite! It seems the sweetness is always lost a bit when a manufacturer tries to make a speaker handle more power!
*laughs in gb128*
Yeah I never cared much for Celestion's high power speakers except for their G12-65. The Greenbacks are the shit! Can't be beat by anything imo
@@eyedunno8462 Sweet, as long as you like them. I am cursed with ears that can hear the difference between 1inch and 3 inch voicecoils and the difference between paper and kapton being used in the voicecoils. Since using bigger voicecoils and/or using kapton in the place of paper for the voicecoil are the only ways rhat I've seen speaker makers make a speaker able to handle more power, I've always been able to spot the difference between low-power and high-power handling speakers. Clearly, I prefer the sound of the low powered speakers, they just sound more immediate and direct to my ear. Stiffening the speaker cones and surrounds to help the speaker handle more power also affects the dampening, tone, and speed of the speaker. In my opinion, anything added to the speaker, to allow it to handle more power, compromises the speed and purity of the cone's movement. You might like the sound that the stronger speaker makes, but it's not my preference.
That makes sense. The more headroom you have, the less breakup, but that breakup is what makes it sweet by rounding out the highs and lows.
@@cchavez248 well said
The Marshall cuts like a knife, the Mesa cuts like a razor… interesting sound together, one sounds great for rhythm and the other for leads, Keep up the great job and give the dog a pat for me, lol!
Mesa sure cuts, but honestly, V30s have always sounded too middy and boxy to me. Sure, you hear them well in the mix, but it's a very one dimensional sound they've got.
Both together was glorious. The good aspects of the Greenbacks masked the downsides of the V30s, and vice versa - they combined into a really full-bodied tone.
Greenbacks are great speakers for metal, especially combined with Marshall/British type amps. They are really the OG metal speakers, together with the G12H-30. They don't have the same mid spike as the V30's, so they might not cut through a mix as well, but they usually have a tight low end and a really creamy mids. I love them!
I have a Mojotone British 412 loaded with two G12M-25 Greenbacks and 2 G12H-30 Heritage 55hz in an X pattern. It sounds great. I bought two G12H-30 Heritage 75hz for another empty 412 in the future. I need to pair them with something, and I may just go with more G12M-25, but I kind of want to try some G12M-EVH speakers. The only thing is that the EVH is only 96db vs. while the G12H-30 Heritage 75hz is 100db. Celestion said it could work, just that the EVH would "contribute less" to the sound, which is obvious. If I go that route I may try the EVH on top like the BE412 from Friedman. If that doesn't work for me, I may have an M cab and an H cab.
Convenient timing, right after Spectre Sound Studios just made a video claiming the SPEAKERS are the biggest part of your overall tone. This video proves him 100% CORRECT! The difference between those two cabinets is HUGE! 🎸
Glen came and bought 2 of my vin30s because of the speaker code. Even the production date matters. Personally I love the sound of chinese greens. Another experiment is just using the same cab open vs closed back.
@@thorinbane true. I had one cab that sounded way better as a 7/8th's closed back than fully closed. I just moved the back panel up one screw space and that little 2" opening across the bottom made all the difference in the world! I believe it was my Mesa Roadster 2×12 combo if I recall...
I have a Friedman cabinet with Greenbacks on top and V30's on the bottom, and it sounds AMAZING with a 100w 1959HW plexi, which was really surprising to me as V30 mid spike + Marshall doesn't do it for the old school tones I like, but honestly it lets the amp excel at everything from funk to brootalz. I've come to learn it's not about having an amp with 4 channels and 3 modes on each, but rather an amp with one channel, excellent volume knob sensitivity, and speakers that can cater to a wide range of vibes.
Damn I really want one of those cabs! I’ve read nothing but good things. You nailed it about amps vs speakers. Most people that complain about an amp or a cab just need to run it with different speakers. I’ll probably end up with more speaker combos than amps at the rate I’m going. The only V30 pure cab I have is the VHT Fat Bottom 2x12. Another killer speaker to pair with V30s: G12H Anniversary.
After almost 30 years of playing guitar I've finally come to that same conclusion as well. My single channel Modded Marshall is really all I need. But do I want 15 heads? The answer is yes. Emphatically yes.
I like a blend of Greenbacks and G12-65 Heritage speakers.
Yeah, I was gonna suggest that when you look at people like Mastodon and Primus cabinets they usually have some mix of speakers instead of all of them just being the same, with slots for 4 cones if you split the difference and only swap two of them out we get an even different response curve at the output (but you need to be careful of which mic goes on which speaker if you are chasing a gremlin).
The peavey invective 4 X 12 has a similar deal where they arrange Creambacks and V30s in an X pattern. It's a big cab. I'm very tempted....
My favorite combo is 2x Greenbacks, 2x V30s in an X pattern. You get the cut and the definition of the V30s, with the mids and warmth of the Greenbacks. It's like they're made for eachother. Oh and for context, i run a Peavey 6505+ through a Mesa cab.
This is very specific and of second importance but I am just curious: which speaker is left/right on your X pattern and do you prefer to be standing on the left or right side of your cab when you play with that setup?
@baluchon2505 In my opinion, there isn't much difference sonically which is on which side. (From a distance.) But the top row is Greenback L, V30 R. The bottom row is V30 L, Greenback R.
@baluchon2505 although when I've done both greenbacks on the bottom and the V30s on the top, it's yielded some interesting results. Kind of highlights the accents of the drivers.
@@JubbyDubbis Thank you for answering so quickly. I am planning on trying a similar set up so I was curious.
That was the best comparison video ever, I could actually hear the difference and the personality of each cab🤘 bad ass Ola! That V30 and Green back combination is amazing! Thank you....
I just raised enough money to buy a real head and cab rig, and thought I was gonna need v30s but now I’m finding the greenbacks to be much closer to the tones that I like. Thanks!
Greenbacks on top, V30’s on bottom… great combo. Otherwise I can’t stand V30’s by themselves. Putting them on the bottom helps account for their higher sensitivity.
Try V30s and Classic Leads, either in a X pattern or Classic Leads on the bottom because they have balls.
Personally, it's a just a hard pass on V30s for me.
But it does mean the audience gets all that top end right in their faces lol
I've been a happy Greenback convert for years. One of the greatest speakers of all time.
I always thought greenbacks were better for classic rock and vintage 30s for more modern stuff.
Yes, that's correct Ola, the tone absolutely killed when fired both up at once!👍👍
Yup sounds like a crushing metal tone. I needed that Ola. Keep killing it!
The Marshall with Greenbacks sounds amazing.
Agreed.
Mesas are beasts, but imo those Greenbacks destroyed the V30s in isolation.
I’ve been using my Mesa cabs for 20 plus years until I bought an EVH head and 4x12 3 years ago, now I use the EVH cab with all my heads. Sounds great.
I like these learning by seeing, especially your picking hand, awesome vid Ola!
New jeans Ola? I just bought a hex head and Marshall cab a few weeks back. I’m slowly building a professional quality rig and your videos are super helpful and entertaining. Much love from Vancouver island
Sounds much better than before. Nicely done!
The EVH through the greenbacks sound a million times better than the V30's in a guitar only situation. There maybe a different perception when comparing in a mix but regardless this video helped me decide to get an EVH to pair with my Marshall 1960AX cab with greenbacks and it sounds FANTASTIC. I actually prefer to avoid 5150 variants because it's such a common sound but this pairing put it on another level making the 5150 not fall into that typical sound we got use to hearing when paired with a V30.
Good video.
Hey, is there a different If i buy an Harley Benton or and EVH cabinet with the Same speaker? Im pretty new here :)
thats why i put one of each in the 2x12 cab i built, best of both worlds!
I would love to hear a comparison between v30s, greenbacks, G-75, and G-100!
Get on Zilla Cabs channel. I don’t think there is a comparison they have not done, clean to metal and many different amps.
People say that the G sound scooped but i think the V30's sound scooped. The G's have more bark to them. If I was going to compare.
The "made in England" greenbacks, not the Chinese.
Go to Johan Segeborn channel!!👍🏻👍🏻
@@riffwebster3784 Are the V30s brighter... like for Modern Metal?
ThatMarshal cab tone is so close to a couple tunes from St. Anger. Dirty window and Sweet Amber in particular. Love it!
I run Celestion Vintage 30 and Creamback H75 speakers in an x-pattern in my Peavey 430A cab, which is pretty much a full 1960A clone now that I have replaced the particle board back with an MDF one. I deleted the PCB when fitting the new backboard and rewired it 16 ohm mono series/parallel with 16AWG wire. Sounds great and it's 240W
Wow! I can watch this shit all day, love the tone you’re getting from the Marshall cab, but that combined tone was wild. Glenn Fricker was so right about the speakers making the tone. Great job.
V30s have a lot of cone rasp. Personally if you want a slightly brighter tone, I recommend the G12M65 Creamback.
Or the Heritage G12-H30 55hz - they will cut through a band mix.
So the greenbacks sound good, but nothing sounded better then both cabs at the same time dude. That was heavenly!!! Whatever the greenbacks don’t have up high the other cab deff had covered and was just, awesome man!!! *chefs kiss*
Huge improvement in that Marshall cab! The Greens sound good...
I love speaker shootouts so thanks for posting!
Excellent demo!!
Very cool to see you standing and playing.
Nice comparison video. Using both separately, the Greenback cab could be used to record for rhythm guitar parts and the V30 could be used to record for lead guitar parts.
Greenbacks always sounded like you took a blanket off the speakers compared to the V30. You should do a speaker colab video with Johan Segeborn! Old school vs new school!
So handy to hear, great comparisons
Love the way that Marshall sounds....especially at 2:30 or so when you tweaked the EQ a little.
I got a carvin Legacy cab with greenbacks, sounds great! The cab is light weight, loud, cuts through the mix and really smoothes out whatever tones you put through it.
Another great video, Ola. That Marshall cab sounded pretty rough before. I like it better than the Mesa now. I hear a fizzy/buzzy quality from the Mesa that bothers me. I guess that would be the "harshness". I also tend to like mids, so....
Mixing speakers is so much fun. Better to put greenbacks on top and V30s at the bottom rather than an X pattern - V30s are noticeably louder so will dominate a little side-by-side. I mix H75 creambacks with V30s for a great tone.
The blend of those two cabinets works really well.
I love green back 25's use a 4x12 of them and 4x12 of that scooped rocket 50 speaker sound in my Gran Hechicero Music project, I think it sounds awesome together! thanks for the Video Ola! you rock!
More speaker tone tests! Show some love for budget speakers like the Celestion V-type or underdog Classic Lead 80.
Love you Ola.
Classic lead 80's are great. I love them and have 4 of them in my cab.
And 70/80s
V types are premium speakers regardless of their cost. Imho they’re just a better version of the v30’ish sound
In this head to head, I prefer the Marshall cabinet, but they pair beautifully. I've always been told that the 75s that everyone did they hate pair well with V30s.
Exactly what I did back in my amp days, Marshall straight cab with 2 G12T 75's and 2 V30's, sounded great for me.
I guess we are all part of the same club because I have also done this as well staggered. The speaker mix creates a good balance.
What an epic amp collection
When you combined them they sounded pretty good.
I love the v30 and greenbacks in an X pattern with my Uberschall. Yeah when I first got the rig together my wife and kids left me after the house melted but it was worth it. And I’d do it again.
I'm very impressed with the sound of that Marshall cab
Good to see greenbacks making a comeback. Buddy of mine has a vintage stack with both versions of black backs which I like more together.
V30 and Greenies in an X pattern! My favorite cab is V30 X Creambacks. Does every genre perfectly especially the brutz. 🤘
I think this is the ultimate blend. They both make up for the short comings of the other speaker. The only amp i would not do this with would be the Jubilee.
Hahaha I almost commented the same thing but I figured someone else said it first haha
I prefer Creambacks and Greenbacks in an X pattern. Never loved the V30. A bit harsh for my tastes.
@@Turboy65 in my pretty music rig lol I have a creamback and a greenback and it’s beautiful…ima hook the Uberschall to it and try it out. Although I really feel the v30 go really well with Bogner stuff because they can get flubby
*_WHICH_* Creambacks? There are 3 different kinds that I know of.
I really love to combine the V30's (british ones) with the Greenbacks for recordings. The combination is just OVERWHELMING!
This makes me want to put a green back in with my 212 cab with a v30. Those 2 together sounded killer
Same here. I have a EVH 2x12 with Greenbacks. I wonder how it would sound if I replaced one with a V30.
Hoping to get a Solar Baritone guitar someday soon! Ola you are a real one! 🤘☠️
For me the result of that was: Greenbacks all the way :)
I have one old 2x12 cab (straight and closed) with one vintage Rola-Celestion Greenback and one Celestion V30. Both have been used for years, so well broken in :)
Vastly different obviously, but each sounds great on my Marshall JVM, and when played together it's absolutely amazing!!
I'd try that trick, if impedance allows:
Put 2 Greenbacks in the Boogie cab, and 2 V30s in the Marshall...
Each cab with 2 inputs so you can switch to whatever suits you!
The green backs sound really good. I like the more mid focused sound of them.
I have a Jet City 1x12 Cab loaded with V30 Celestion and an Eminence Swap Thang.
This Combo creates brutal ass kicking sound.
Holy moly! Together is the way to go!
I been wanting to check this out
I have a Friedman vertical 2x12 with two V30's in it and a VHT vertical 2x12 with a DV77 in the top and a H75 Creamback in the bottom.
I love mixing and matching them together with my different amps and getting different sounds.
So... here's an idea for an "In The Room" episode...
Now that you've figured-out how to run two cabs from a single source, perhaps you can start mixing amp-tones together for a super, mega, evil distorted brew of maximum carnage! Like: the Mark + the JCM or the Satan + the Recto.
Personally, here @ home, I've found KILLER success in simultaneously-running my JVM and my Triple-Crown for an ultimate garage-busting, neighbor-waking, grinder of a tone and I LOVE it!
both sound so good
Totally would dig both characters in one cabinet with the "x" pattern. I'm also a big fan of Creambacks.
Damn when ola just turn on both and start playing gojira that shit just give me goosebumps.
Rhe best option is pair the greenbacks and V30 together. I pair V30s with creamback M65s which is basically a higher powered slightly darker and slightly warmer greenback and it's by far my favorite speaker combo. From classic rock to metal that combo can do it all . From Bad company to new wave of British heavy metal like iron maiden and Samson . From somdgarden to Sepultra and beyond that speaker combo sounds fantastic no matter what you throw at it just a perfect sound all around..
I really love the M65 and agree it mixes well with the V30. I recently mixed one with a G12H Anniversary in a vertical 2x12 and I think I like it even better than with the V30.
I notice you with the walk with me in hell riff, sounds good bro
I had one of those Marshall heads. A 2210. Best head I ever heard. It had serious reliability issues though. Reverb went out, kept blowing fuses, developed the infamous channel bleed... it just cost too much to keep running. This was back in the day though, and people weren't so good at servicing them. They were one of the first channel switching amps and it was just new technology that was kind of buggy.
Ola seems like the type of man to own every color of Converse ever made
Both sound FABULOUS! Wow. Ive tried Warehouse speakers but theres just something about Celestions that works. I think i might put a GB and V30 in my Origin 2x12
Love that after you learned Walk With Me In Hell, you use it during your demos.
Hope it becomes a staple riff of your channel!
I love my greenbacks , I've had them for years.
Also thank you for this it definitely ans×everything my question about these two as of late too
Very nice, I tried so many cabinets and speakers with my 6505 / 6505II / 5150III .A Straight Marshall 1960 B style with mesa or english V30s on top and greenbacks on the bottom is my complete favorite. sounds like v30 will cover greenbacks on top, but old v30 on top sounds so great with GB. Tried greenbacks on top and X pattern but really dig greenbacks bottom on straight cab. That top end on Mesa is a lot because the straight cabinet, angled cabinets have lote less top end and mid focused sound, just what we can hear from the cabinets. Just my opinion of course.
Together they are such a brutal but lovely sound !
I've been frustrated chasing my tone for a while, I'd been considering swapping out the V30s in my cab for greenbacks...this video settled it! No comparison!
It’s been one month. Have you done it?? Did you like it? I also wanna swap my v30 with greenbacks
I recently put an old v30 and a dv77 in a vertical 2x12 and it is by far the best combo I have tried.
As stated by some already. I have a os mesa with greenbacks on top and v30 on the bottom. I think it’s a great combo
I did a custom build for a 2x12 and used one swamp thang and one red coat running a MB style head unit and it’s super punchy on the lows and has great mid to high tonal range .
Both cabinets-yesss!!
I'd love to see this same comparison in the context of a mix
I absolutely love blending the greenbacks with V30s, any heavy shit i record or even when it comes to Live IRS its ALWAYS Greenbacks with V30s blend
Both as a blend sounds top notch
Wow, those greenbacks sound A LOT better to my ears, at least by themselves. In a mix, though, it might be different.
Thanks Ola englund, for head cabinet with distortion clean. Check in technology amplifier. Metal head lets go \m/
the cabinet itself makes a huge difference...as for the speakers, i couldnt decide what to load my jcm900 cab with a few years ago, so i did the X pattern v30's & greenbacks...it's now a beast
The cabinet is entirely irrelevant. Especially when it’s miced lol.
@@MadJackChurchill1312 disagree, i've spent too many years mic'ing cabs to know that the cab makes a difference
Would have been interesting to hear how they sit in a mix. Damn I really love the Greenbacks.
Waiting for Peavey invictive 2x12 cab to come in, it’s got a v30 and cream back so should have a relatively similar combo like the greenback and v30 super hyped for it
The V30 x Greenie works better for 4x12…. In 2x12 the V30 will overpower the Greenie in a horizontal pattern.
Ola...put some dang ole EV's in yhat cab sir! Cant beat EV's. The best I have ever used. Thanks so much for all you do! #1 biggest fan and Louise too! My wife is awesome too!
I use an old Peavey 412ms cab with the old Sheffield 1290s which are supposed to be modeled after the g1275 I believe. I swapped out two of them with vintage 30s in an X pattern. Gives you a nice mix of highs and lows
One of my favorite Celestions is the G12H30 70th Anniversary speaker. It’s like a happy medium between the Greenback and V30.
G12H30 are awesome. Amazing lows and mids.
been mixing these two for years 2 v30 and 2 green's always thought it sounded awesome
Should you have shown the difference between the Eminence speakers and the celestian V30 speakers instead? Just an afterthought. 🤘 Keep keepin it real man! Love ya for that!!
Ah FAQ dude, it would be amazing to have BOTH of these in a mix, the Greenback panned right with a slight boost, and the V30's panned left
Diggin the Chuck Taylor’s!!!
My Zilla fatboy 212 with a vintage 30 and H Creamback is just dream for any heavy tone I come up with.
My Marshall cab has two v30s and two g12h. I'm pretty pleased.
As always, it's about context. In isolation the v30s sounded very harsh, but in the right mix, they are going to cut through nicely. Greenbacks sound 'nicer' in isolation and will match a different style of mix better.
Yeah I like v30s in a Mesa 4x12 cab (especially oversized) as it seems to give more bass and fullness than v30s in a Marshall or any other cab except maybe an Engl but in my view Engl has made some of the best high gain amps & cabs since Marshall and Mesa came along. The 30w Greenbacks (and the heavy version, though I see a lot more mediums) are cool too and a little overlooked (but get a good metal sound with some punk influence) but the 25 watt Greenback is the classic of course.
I think different heads match better with certain speakers too. My Mesa sounds amazing through V30's but when I plug it into my Marshall cab with GT-75's it doesn't sound nearly as good. The same is true when I plug my Marshall DSL into the Mesa cab...it just doesn't sound as good as it does through the Marshall cab. Plugging either head into both cabs though...amazing when mixed.
Great vid
Great video. I really like those greenbacks. Can you make or do you already have a greenback vs cream back video?
I run Peavy Black widows (under rated and forgotten) + V30s, X pattern in a 6505 cab with a 6505+. Took alot of that high end harshness away and added girth to all the places it wasn't before.
I have a v30 and greenback in a 2x12 cab. People often say its pointless, but ive had this for 10yrs