Checking out 1x12, 2x12, And 4x12 Cabinets
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Always a pleasure, Phil! Thanks so much for having me on the show!
Now this is a pairing I never expected to see; but this is cool.
I've been on the vertical slant 2x12" train for a while now. For me it's the perfect balance between tone, being able to hear myself and portability.
HE IS A BASS PLAYER. I LITERALLY FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR. THANKS! Self deprecating humor is best humor. Great video, short and to the point *cough* Henning...
I thought that was a call-back to Glenn's running gag about bass players. anyway I laughed.
Great stuff guys! Excellent to be able to watch you both!
One difference is that the 1x12 comes with the 8ohm version of the speaker, while the 2x12 and 4x12 come with configurations of 16ohm speakers.
4x12 just sounds better to me in this setting. In a mix, who knows? It depends on so many factors.
I got my Harley Benton vertical 2x12 on Phil's recommendation and I absolutely love it.
Me too; Sold my Hot Rod Deville and paired the cab with Jet City Amplification JCA22H 20W for $550 for both. What I lost on ease of transport I definitely gained in tone. 100% pleased. Thanks Phil!
Yep I’m in the vertical slant 2x12 camp, its on the xmas list
I got the vertical V30 2x12 a year ago and love it!
I think an iso room with a room mic would be a more accurate representation of the different cabs .. 🍺
That Vertical 2x12 is no joke. I A/B one with my Engl Standard Slanted 4x12 and Mesa Rectifier Oversized 4x12 and it sounded like it had more bottom end then both of them. It really is great cab for the price.
I'm so impressed by the vertical 2x12. Think I'm going to save up for one when I eventually get a job as it just sounds so good for the money. Worst case scenario: I've got two Vintage 30s to put into a different cabinet.
they all sounded good, I'd say the 1x12 sounded a little more "punchy"
Phil and Glenn- That was awesome! They sound great but the 1x12 or 2x12 sound amazing.
They all sound unique. To me the 1x12 sounds more focused for recording, the2x12 vertical was more broadly voiced,and the 4x12 was pushing air and overall more dominant. Damn,I want them all.
This is why I love the TGU so much! Great video my man!
God bless these two awsome musicians
To my ear the 1x12 sounds the best and the vertical 2x12 is a close second
close miked solo guitar is one thing but in a live loud band situation on stage or rehearsal is totally different. I have the HB 2x12 its nice but can struggle sometimes. Get the 4x12 if your any kind of loud rock/metal type band . Much better bottom end and no substitute for moving air .
I was surprised how full and direct the 1x12 sounded. I use a Mesa 2x12 horiz, but if I was playing out I would consider that HB 1x12 as a serious easy transport option.
I would't even consider a 1x12 for live use. Last time I heard one it sounded really bad, too tiny and harsh
I have made a number of cabs. The 112 I built that were oversized sound great. The limiting factor on vintage gear was 20 watt speakers. So to use even a 50 watt head you needed a 412 to safely handle a cranked head. Now you can use a single creamback or vin30 and get a punchier tone that is still really loud in a 112 oversized format. They can have lots of lows if you know how to port them. But it doesn't matter because you are stepping on the bass player in a mix anyway.
Get a creamback or vin30 in a 112 and you are good to go with a still super loud 50 watt head. You could even go down to a 20 or 18 watt head and be plenty loud outside of playing an arena. If you are playing that size of venue they will put you through the PA anyway. The days of big heads is going away now that we have efficient speakers that can handle the wattage along with most venues having basic PAs to get you plenty loud anyway. Those marshall stack backdrops look great but they are empty cabs anyway.
Must have been poorly constructed. I had a 212 size cab with a single swamp thang and it sounded amazing, and I was only putting a crappy SS marshall through it. Construction of the cab makes a huge difference.
@@daniellievemaa1949 IYO!
I ordered the 1x12....sounded good and beats lugging a 50lb 2x12
Thomann has developed a niche that satisfies the need/desire for players to do what we do, which is to buy as much different gear as possible within our budget. My budget happens to be in the bottom 10% and i can still get the high off purchases that are quality worth keeping and using. I have come to blindly trust Thomann and recommend them to all my friends because of the number of tools i have purchased and enjoyed. It is clear by their stock status at any given time that i am not alone in these beliefs. Talking of coarse of the house brand stuff. Harley Benton.
I'm very much in the same boat. Hence the reason I own the D-120 CE NT (dreadnought acoustic) RB 600CS (Rickenbacker lookalike) and CST 24HB (PRS Hollowbody II lookalike)... Spent just over $600 for THREE quality instruments that I will have for many years to come... and 3 guitar stands, two capos and a Snark tuner in a pear tree too lolol....
Kind of found the vertical 2X12 the best all around sound.
Agreed. Vertical 2x12 FTW. 🤘😎
Thanks Glen And Phill
wow never thought id see you two together!
Absolutely cool. I have a 2x12 and it is a deeper sound than my 4x12's by Marshall. Great video today.
As mentioned on SMG I love seeing the both of you together and would like to see more collaborations down the road. Keep kicking ass Phil
High respect for glen and his insights
Having this dillema with my rig. Using a Mesa 1x12 with a Headrush MX5, and without using the IR's that speaker does not sound great (very thin sounding) The Mini Rectifier sounds much better, but I'm trying to downsize the rig in general. Maybe I need to switch to a 2x12? Hearing these samples, the 4x12 is massive sounding, but who wants to drag that to a sports bar or wedding gig?
Glenn and Phil together !! Shweet! Rock on guys! From Montreal!
Maybe one day my HB 2x12 Vertical will arrive. I'm glad I picked that cabinet even more after watching this. I have both of you to thank for making an educated decision.
Short and sweet. Through my monitors, they kind of sounded like they were all the same amp, but I was hearing each from a different perspective. The vertical 212 was the loudest on the recording (maybe because of the mid push), but I thought the 412 had the nicest overall balance. The 112 didn't sound that great, but that might be solved by moving the e906 around a bit to find the sweet spot.
Love that vertical 2x12. What is the part # for it. On Thomann's web site all I see is the vertical 2x12 with the speakers straight up and down not the X pattern like Glenn said. It that a new cabinet?
I can't thank Phil enough for letting us know about the HB line of affordable cabs with V30s in them. I got 2 of them the price was so good. Now to get another amp and use the stereo outs of the Electric Mistress and Strymon Big Sky pedals.
the vertical 212 sounds OUTSTANDING!
My horizontal 2x12 just got here today. I bought it based on your last video about the vertical 2x12.
Phil is a certified shredder!
“He is a bass player”. Cool video, nice outtakes! 2x12 Vertical sounded great.
I gotta say that through UA-cam Sound Quality, the 2x12 Vertical did came out better than the others. But, I got to get real too, the 1x12 is the sweet spot in term of price / size / sound quality, and since my head is only a 20w Joyo Bantamp, the single 1x12 will do just fine (at least, i hope!)
LOL! There is NOTHING wrong with YT sound 'quality'!
@@DMSProduktions Depends on who you ask I suppose.
In my own personal experience from watching gear reviews and then buying the gear, I am always surprised on how _better_ the gear sound when you are in the room vs how it sounds on UA-cam.
If it sounds great on youtube, it should be amazing in real life provided the demo was recorded with the appropriate equipment (i.e.: not a phone)
In term of quality (from worst to best):
- MP3 / Spotify / Lossy Compression Audio Files
- CDs
- Lossless Compression Audio Files (Like AACs File)
- Uncompressed Audio Files
UA-cam is not using a Lossless Audio Compression (at least not from what I can see, I could be wrong), so I assume that we are in the Mp3 Quality range... While not _bad_, it's not enough to truly experience audio (especially if listened through crappy computer speakers or headphones)
That being said, whatever works for you :P
@@kainx99 Lift a file off YT servers. The native MP4 file is usually packing AAC audio.
It comes down to the quality of the INPUT in the 1st place! IE. Rubbish in, rubbish out!
That being said, of course in PERSON is going to sound somewhat different/&/or better than recorded for sure!~
However, I HAVE heard demos then heard in person my self, and for the most part, it has been IN the ball park!
It comes down TO the recording!
I bought an PV C20 head a few years back after hearing a few demos & thought, 'GREAT little amp! Suits what I play, great features etc!'
I got 1, used, and it is somewhat BETTER than the demos, so, it does, on the whole work as intended! I bought some new pedals as well after hearing some demos on YT and they were IN the ball park of what I was after!
Yep, they work FOR me!
Cheers KainX!
@Mark Seymour Pfft LOL! See my reply above to Kainx99!
@@DMSProduktions
I think that is a certainty, if the input audio was garbage, the output will be compressed / processed garbage
However, there is more to the input to consider. AAC Audio is a lossy audio codec (better than MP3, but still lossy).
But I am not sure that I have such fine ears that I could make the difference between a MP3 and an AAC track. A pro will make the difference, but with my unpracticed ears, I would not make a bet on it.
Furthermore you have to consider the quality of the receiving device.
I am mostly using wireless headphones on Bluetooth, and we all know that bluetooth further decrease audio quality due to bandwidth issue in the underlying technology.
So UA-cam sound demos are nice and all, but I remain cautious. I gotta fall in love with it to pull the trigger, or else find someone who will let me try it.
All that being said, I ended up with a 1x12, and I think it sounds better than the 2x12 in the video. But it can also be my mind playing tricks on me to justify the buying spree.
Cheers!
Those Harley Benton cabinets sure sound fantastic. I think I like the 2x12 vertical the most.
I need one, but don't know which one to pick. My head is a Jet City JCA100H, would the 1x12 be enough or should i aim to one of the 2x12? The 4x12 would be overkill for home playing
I'm going to go for both
Nice to see you two together! Great comparison
That vertical 2x12 was the all around winner, but I really dug the 1x12 as well.
I got the vertical V30 2x12 a year ago and love it!
That vertical 2x12 sounds ace!
Killer video! The vertical 2x12 sounds amazing.
I got the vertical V30 2x12 a year ago and love it!
The 1x12 ♥️♥️♥️
If you put the 1x12 on the floor, it would sound a bit deeper. Thanks!
damn that 4x12 sounds better than my marshall!
Short & sweet but still a great video. Didn't know they had a diagonal cab. Love the outtakes 😅🤘
Hey Phil and Glenn! Which do you prefer? Celestion Vintage 30 Vertical or horizontal cab?
So what have we learned?
I say a lot, so thank you Philip.
It is important to say that.
Now I'm curious
1.how much it matters where the speakers are in the room for the sound.
2. Are the differences between the V30 speakers themselves.
3. Would ik make a difference if the speakers are older and have been run in if that is the expression and if one or more speakers were run in and others were not.
I can off course experiment with that myself but I'm curious if that has been done already.
I bought a 2x12 vertical w/ vintage 30s today. I want to run an a/b system, my other 2x12 is a Mesa boogie 2x12 vertical. I think with the proper tweaking , I should be o.k. I think I will use the Harley benson side for my Ronamd gr-55 processor.
Hi Phil, great video! I use an 80 watt solid state amp modelling combo, the Roland Cube 80XL. I want to add an extension cab to it, to fatten up the tone and add base, would the 1 x 12, 2 x 12 horizontal, or the 2 x 12 vertical add more body / base to the sound? The 4 x 12 would be too big for me. Thank you in advance.
Are HB bass cabs of similar quality? I was thinking about buying one.
JoeyBalubah all Thomann products are high quality
Man you nailed the cool content at Thomann!!
I think Glenn raided my closet for his wardrobe.
Thanks Phil, first Harley Benton cabinets I've heard. Now I wouldn't hesitate to grab one, or two, or six lol.
Thats a proper test. Very different
Wow! Ya know, I was ordering the 2x12 a few months ago but they were sold out. So, because I'm impatient when it comes to getting gear, I went ahead and bought the vertical one. Definitely just affirmed that it was a good thing because I really enjoy playing through mine... Eeeeeeeven though it arrived damaged because the delivery system is bullshit. But I was able to repair the cab and getting that intimate with it was a good learning experience since it was my first cabinet purchase. I'm using a zombie so I wonder if how loud I can get it to keep up with my band lol.
I preferred the vertical 2x12 in this test. would love to hear a comparison between the 2x12 and two 1x12 cabs.
Phil great show . I know this has nothing to do with your show tonight but Ill never understand paying as much or more for a cab than the amp that drives it cost . With company's like Parts Express out there selling kit's that use Celestion speakers for under $200 all you have to do is build it. Why not do a build on some of these kits offered out there.
I'd like to hear a comparison between the G112 vs the G112 Vintage.
My two favorite UA-camrs - would be awesome to see you two collaborate on more vids
What amp was used? The 2x12 vert was on top for me also
I’ll never understand why so many gear demonstrators compare the sound of single vs multiple speaker cabinets by sticking a close-mic on a single speaker of all the cabs instead of using room microphones. Even if there is some tonal difference, I wouldn’t buy a huge 4x12 cab over a single 12 if all I’m ever going to do is mic a single speaker on it for recording. The primary reason for choosing 2 or 4 speaker cabs is for a bigger in-person sound in the room/space.
The vertical 2x12 is actually a tiny bit smaller than the horizontal. The angled structure probably stiffens the face of it a bit and changes the tone, of course being up off the floor gives an edge. The horizontal wants to be tried sitting up in a chair I think.
What is hella cool is that with $30 shipping, &c., even I can afford to run the gamut of testing right here. The 4x12 exceeds the 30kg. limit but I bet it is not too spendy.
I'm amazed, I've never heard of 2x12 vertical in a diagonal fashion and in a full cabinet.
2x sounds mean I agree the 4x has a bit more low end but it’s a TD all day long good stuff
I like the 2x12 Vertical the most
That vertical 2x12!
dang i'm diggin that vertical 2x12.
I want that green prestige Ibanez
I gotta ask something though. Are those cabs broken in?
😂he is a bass player 😂 🤘🏽 great vid Phil psychoacoustics, cabinet resonance , room position to many factors to nail down but for the price you can just get a few and blend the tone 👍🏽
Hard to say between the 2-12 vertical and 4-12. both sound good. Yeah the 2-12 has some balls
Ya know, tone king had that 2x12 back in the shelf like that two. They complained the entire video that it didn't sound as full as the 2x12 boogie cab. Well no shit, it's shoved into a shelf unit. Pull that mother fucked out and try again!
Saw the same clip, have exactly the same comment
I was watching for it as the guys started playing, it sounded dead..... But its tucked up in a shelf
I liked the 4/12 best
They need to make an old school style vertical 8x12.
The hiccup is.... I've got an old school back
just watched this after buying the vertixal 2x12 and I'm glad I did
The 2x12 vertical sounded muddy in my opinion while listening through mediocre computer speakers. I liked the 1x12 the best. It sounded the best on the YT playback, and might sound really good with a stage mic.
I love my orange 2x12.... but at $200 vs $600... i would have bought the vertical 2x12 HB had i seen this a year ago!
One cab is as good as another to me. But that's just because I far prefer the sound and response of a solid pine combo amp. Just my opinion.
I know this must be after the fact, but I really wished you’d tried out the 4x12” in stereo mode but with one amp. I’m curious of what difference it would make. Never seen that tested:) (and what do I know, maybe it’s super dumb to do so!)
You guys make great team
I also thought the 2X12 horizontal sounded good as well.
I got the horizontal 2x12 in this weekend,it is blaring bright. Any thoughts on how to physically darken the cab without adjusting my setup?
Burn it in. Like all speakers, play music through it for a day or so (not with a tube amp!) to soften the cones. Put a blanket over it if you have neighbours
Oh ,this looks like trouble ! ;-) Thanks guys !
Whyyyyyy!!!
I recently ordered the Greenback HB 4x12 off Thomann and they ended up canceling my order cuz they said they couldn’t ship to the US (I’m in California)...?!!? :((
You should get two 2/12's
Vertical 212 first place then the 112 second place the 412 and horizontal 212 sounds the same to me.
I think the 112 sounded best. I own the hb212v and use it with my evh lbx. A great cab for the price. I'd still prefer the sound of an orange 212 or the evh212
2x12 vert and 1x12 are killers. I like the 1x12 best
I'd love one of these BUT with shipping and import charges it's cheaper for me to just buy a Traynor 2x12 in Canada. Also has the same speakers so it works for me :D
I'd waaaaay rather have the Made in Canada Traynor than the HB.
Am getting me one of those 2x12 vertical 👶.
I got the vertical V30 2x12 a year ago and love it!
Hey Phil, what kind of guitar were you playing?
Ibanez AZ. Phil mentioned it in his last live stream as his favorite guitar at TGU and showed that he now owned one.
So who is Harley Benton it's probably somebody that worked at the Marshall factory went on a his on or something?
What was the ohm output of the amp?
Those look like Marshall 1960v maybe that's the style they are going for
Really think you have to be in the room to hear a major difference The 1/12 is the only one that was significant
I always felt a lack of bass on harley benton/fame cabinets. Even with V30.
All speaker cabs have to be burned in when new, or they will sound shrill. Pump music through it for a day or two. If you bought a cabinet you didn't have to burn in, it was probably a display model or used.
@@BloodpactORG you're right. Unfortunately, in my case, my 2x12 Harley Benton with v30, played a lot but never gained the low end I like. I sold it and bought a vertical 2x12 Orange and now I'm very happy. The price is very different but it worth it.
Are the 2x12 and 1x12 louder because you're putting the same wattage into smaller cabs with lower power handling ability?
1/12 is 8 ohms 2/12 is 16