Story 1: The thing here is that OP's sister thinks of children as toys. She got married and had other children to replace her eldest. Yuck! Plus, she says that she did it to get over the guilty conscience she felt for abandoning her daughter. She never mentions the damage and trauma she caused her child. She's a monster.
Bet she wanted her eldest to slide in as a babysitter for the younger two! LIKE "didn't I have another one of these things around to help!!!"! SMH Truth, is probably that Jeremey was the one to force her to reach out after believing all her BS. She moved on past her daughter and just wanted to keep moving forward till hubby found out... This is gross! Even if Milly was the product of SA, which it feels like it is leaning towards being the case, there is tons of ways to deal with it rather then ghosting a literal child... (Like if you know you wont be coming back sign over the rights and don't pretend you plan on coming back!)
Based on things said in updates I think OPs sister is suffering from some form of depression, anger issues, and maybe some survivors guilt. The truth for the abandonment might be that She hates her own daughter because of the loss of her former husband everything else is her guilt acting up but being unable to actually admit it.
I don't give a flying crap what Laila's supposed issues are. She has no right to abandon her kid and lie about it. She's a monster. I hope OP blows the lid on her dirty secret, and Jeremy divorces her.
IF, and I can't say with 100% positively it is, but if this is the story I remember reading a while back, the sister admitted to OP that she had a hand in Millie's bio father's death. There were no details given regarding her part in the bio father's death. The OP also admitted in some comments that they had to get some sort of protection order for Millie against the sister because of her answer to OP and his wife as to the REAL reason she left and never came back. It appears she had a very strong desire to end Millie if the OP hadn't said he would take her. This wasn't when she was pregnant but after she was born. Also, because Millie didn't want anything to do with her, those "urges" to end Millie had returned. It is a very sad scenario when you think about it and when the OP admitted that in the comments, Reddit went nuts. People were telling him to go to the Police and tell the sister's new husband so he wouldn't take her back and she might try ending him and/or her other kids. People were even demanding the Mods step in and have Reddit give any information about the OP to the police to track the sister down that way. The post got closed and the OP deleted their account after removing several of his comments. But, you know the internet, nothing is ever totally erased. That was the last I heard about any of it until Lost Genre read this story.
I hope OP gets her nailed for child abandonment, if he can. And discloses her dirty secret to Jeremy, and I hope he divorces her. She deserves to lose everything.
I think, that at this point, because she is no longer the sister’s child and OP considers the kid his daughter, he wouldn’t take anything even if she offered to compensate him. In his mind, this is probably just a bump in the road they need to get over in order to keep living as a family.
Maybe I misunderstood the ending? But I think OP definitely needs to explain to his brother in-law what EXACTLY Laila told him. The fact that he was so horrified that he will never let her near his daughter or TELL his daughter what her birth mother actually said should be enough of a motivation to explain what's going on. I'm assuming those thoughts were violent or homicidal. The father of Laila's other children DESERVES to know who he's married to and who he's raising children with. The brother in-law has already stated he wants to continue to let OPs daughter and his kids get to know each other, so that was a bullshit excuse in my book. OP better have ALL of Laila's children's well-being in mind.
I thought that. Hubby is not living with the person he thought he was. I assume he was the one who insisted Laila got back in touch and thought he was being a hero swooping in to put right a massive injustice, then feeling stupid as his world crashed down round his ears when he found out his wife was a manipulative and selfish witch. If whatever OP found out about his sister was so bad he couldn't say it in the update and made him go full Papa Bear on his daughter then Hubby needs to know so he can protect his children. I get OP is trying to look after Millie, but the half siblings also need protecting too. They are innocent in all this.
Exactly. The way that it was worded was alarming & OP needs to take the other children into consideration. It felt like OP was so worried about getting her out of Millie’s life that he was willing to fob her off on her new family.
with the limited details given about the sister's past and side note of poor mental health at the time i can hazard a guess that lady may have been clinically severely depressed with a side of suicidal habits. possible horrible secret being an attempted murder suicide. this is far above anyone but a professional therapist's pay grade is about the only certain thing.
Pretty sure the real reason she came back for Milly is that the husband found out about the abandoned daughter and offered/insisted on helping to get her back. Sister's OP couldn't stop it without exposing how absolute crap she is to him so she went along with it.
Story 1 theory: OP alludes to his sister having been a danger to all her children. I'm thinking she may have had a breakdown and was having intrusive thoughts for harming her daughter, and that is why she left. Or, since OP alludes to some kind of trauma happening in her past, perhaps something happened to her, which skewed her to "think of children, differently," and she left when she recognized it.
Thanks for that comment. I couldn't figure out any options what could be so bad they suddenly decided to keep it 100% a secret. What you said makes sense
I, personally, assume that it's either about the father of Miley's dad (maybe after he died, Laila stopped seeing Miley as a child, but instead as a mini version of the father) or after she moved she was somehow attacked or taken advantage off. Worst thought for me is that maybe Laila experienced some kind of abuse in her childhood? But I don't think that's likely since the "bad behaviour" seemingly appeared after she moved
@@JDM-is-my-name she didn't display bad behaviour to her new husband after moving. If she could hide it from him, she could have just as easily hidden it from her whole family the entire time prior. Children of certain abuse, who feel shame, have a way of hiding things very effectively. I think that the gender of her other two children might offer a clue. Are they both boys? Perhaps her issue only effects how she feels to girls? Perhaps she came back when the daughter was 14, because she was out of the age range which effects her? Whatever the substance of the problem was, I have a feeling she told the truth when she said it. Because you never save face by offering the alternative mitigating factor of an unforgivable problem.
The story says Milly's dad died before she was born. I wonder if he took his own life and then her mother blamed her. I don't think I could tell a child that either.
@@lorisewsstuff1607 I was wondering if perhaps Milly was the result of a SA which is what caused Laila to abandon her as she was a reminder of that? Was Laila in some way responsible for the death of Milly's father? Whether Milly's Dad is who they think or otherwise, if this is the case I can understand why they don't want to tell Milly. Either way Laila needs to seek therapy and deal with her trauma and issues if she is to have any healthy relationships moving forward.
Laila abandoned her child and then had the AUDACITY to walk back in and be like "Okay I'm back for Millie! All's good right?" I feel sorry for Jeremy. Laila is tied to him for life now.
She only returned because Jeremy wanted to save Milly from OP who according to Laila had stolen Milly. If Jeremy had never found out about Milly, Laila would have kept quiet. Laila's house of lies collapsed and exposed her lies.
Sister's new husband only just found out she has another daughter and implied he was disgusted that she could abandon her child and so to keep hubby's money, she came back for daughter. Bet her in laws expressed displeasure as well. Yep I was right. And Laila was "pretty" so she WAS spoiled and thought the world was owed to her.
11yrs? 11yrs?! She left her child, never reached out at all and now she is coming back like, welp, my turn again! How does she not even think of the child? No judge would return her to her incubator... What a horrible woman...
Story #1: NTA. Milly was functionally abandoned. There is no other way to describe the situation. OP's sister found a new man, with money, and then had an entire new family. She's 11 years too late to pretend she was only gone a short while. OP did the hard work, and Milly is rewading him for it.
I cringed pretty hard in the first update. So no phone call, no zoom meeting, just jump straight to family circus? And they let the lying psycho stay at their place overnight??? OP and his wife did EVERYTHING wrong!
OPs sister never intended on returning. It was only because her hubby learned she had a daughter, and that this daughter had been taken by OPs family. The hubby truly thought he'd swoop in and help save Milly. But it caused OPs sisters house of lies to collapse. If hubby had never learned, Milly would never have seen the POS that is her bio mom again. OPs sister had a fresh start, new family and no interest in digging up the past.
Wouldn't be surprised if Laila saw her abandonment of Milly as "punishment" for being her ex's daughter. If that makes sense. Secretly hating and resenting her for existing, maybe actually wanting to physically hurt her. Why do I have a feeling Jeremy "talked" her into coming for Milly.
It wasn’t an ex husband it was a deceased husband, the punishment theory doesn’t fit with him being dead, that’s more of an “asshole ex, asshole kid” mentality
@@suchfrecks3110I know he's deceased, and left Laila a widow with a young child. I don't think Laila ever properly dealt with his death. The "punishment" theory comes from Laila putting her negative emotions about his death onto Milly. In her obviously deluted mind she might have made herself believe he "left" her in order to cope. And maybe angered that she was left with a child to raise on her own because of him "leaving". I know it sounds off but mentally disturbed people have warped view.
@@suchfrecks3110 I’d wondered if Laila irrationally blames Milly for her father’s death, or if Laila suffered something awful at the hands of Milly’s father that she irrationally blames Milly for which made her not want to look at her. But I don’t think that would explain why OP would think Jeremy would not want Laila around his own daughters if he knew what Laila said, and as horrible as it is to consider not believing a victim of abuse I don’t think OP would take Laila’s word for it when Milly’s father isn’t alive to defend himself and Laila has such a long history of lying. I’m really stumped.
After 11 years! She pretty much ghost her own kid. This is abandonment and by law she lost rights to her kid already. Did her husband know about milly or if the half siblings even understand they have an older sib with a different father. My money is on mom came back to get Milly to be a free in house 24 hour babysitter or nana. Sense she came back when milly was a teen. Milly has to choose if she want a relationship with mom but don't let her leave the country because mom could sell her for a arrange marriage or abused nana.
Story 1: 30 seconds in and I am firmly in the "do not give the kid back, kids are not toys" camp. You can't just throw them away and come pick them back up as you please. Kids need stability more than almost anything.
I get the feeling Laila probably wanted to kill millie or do something worst to her. maybe she blamed her for Millie's father's death and always planned to abandon her when she went overseas. if she truly had guilt for leaving Millie she wouldn't have hid it from Jeremy until they were married (and she had access to his money).
I remember hearing a story where the OP needed to go somewhere and that lead to the OP and their parent getting into a crash that killed the parent, and the surviving parent blamed OP. That got me thinking that what might have happened was that she had the thought “Why did she (Milly) get to live but he (husband) didn’t?” Maybe she almost acted on it, maybe she realized how awful that thought was, but either way she could have abandoned Milly so she couldn’t act on it and potentially have her life ruined (in her eyes, by Milly)
NTA - she didn't "abandon" her daughter - she Discarded her daughter like an unwanted Christmas gift. And OP even had to take steps to find out where she had gone and what happened. NTA by any stretch, but the "mother" is a massive AH - and she is entitled to nothing - putting her own daughter through that. Low. UPDATE: Slight AH for letting that snake stay with him and and his wife.
I'm surprised that Layla didn't poke someone's eye out with how fast her nose grew as she spoke (down) to OP and family. And I loved Millie tore her bio mom a new one.
Story 1: After that final update I think I have a theory as to what could be this secrete but at the end of the day it is not my business, just hope the OP continues to raise his Daughter well and that the Mother can get some good counseling and become a better person
Oof, that “apology” speech Laila gave. I’ve heard UA-camr apology videos that sounded more sincere and less scummy than this! I could practically hear an orchestra of tiny violins playing!
Lemme guess, the not-mom baby trapped the bio dad to get access to his money, the bio dad died, so the daughter became dead weight to the not-mom She went away to make a single life, and then tried the same tactic on a wealthier man Only when the new husband discovered about the daughter, the not-mom realized she could not keep access to his money without pretending to care about the daughter, so she went back to fetch her
OP said the true explanation Lalia gave could be seen as a danger to her family.. My theory is she that she thought about killing Millie, so when she was offered the chance to go abroad, she took it and left her behind for her own safety.
@@hendyo_98 The bio mom kept giving explanations that made her look good, despite her horrible behavior, how much of a simp do you have to be to believe it? The bio mom had no interest in reaching to her daughter, until her access to money was compromised Dont listen to their words, just look at their actions instead
@GinHindew110 I'm not excusing the fact that she abandoned her daughter, but the women had trauma, and trauma coupled with postpartum depression could lead to some dark thoughts, especially if she blames Millie for her former husband's death. OP seems to believe her truth. Or do you not believe that mental health is good enough for a mother to want her daughter in a safe place?
@@hendyo_98 Having mental problems, and using fake mental problems as an excuse to avoid accountability, are two very different things As the bio mom never admitted any blame, and responsabilized everybody else for her behavior, its very clear she is faking it
@@hendyo_98 was just going to say this. She could have had a severe case of Post Partum combined with a mental breakdown after dad's death that made her volatile. My other theory was that she had (or maybe still has) some sort of addiction/substance abuse problem that she's kept hush hush all this time. Addictions can bring out the absolute worst in people and addicts often try to put an insane amount of efforts to hide things
Laila: Well well well if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions. Also I know OP wants everything to be done but she is back, sue that woman for all the child support she owes your family, and tell the husband whatever she said, think of her other kids, they will have to deal with that awful woman and they deserve to be safe.
Story 1: Sounds like rich mommy wants a free babysitter so she can "live her best life." Also... I would have slapped those abandonment charges down like a 10-ton hammer.
I AM SO PROUD OF MILLY! It can be sooo hard for kids to say what a kid wants and she did such a good job! One day she will want more information but for now just make her feel loved.
S1: OP would be YTA if he gave his daughter back! Laila abandoned her daughter. She's nothing but a deadbeat egg-donor. Millie is nothing but a toy to Laila. OP has an obligation to protect Millie from Laila. Post-updates: So no phonecall, zoom meeting, just jump straight to family circus at his home? FFS, OP did everything wrong! His wife isn't empathetic, she's a fool and a doormat for insisting Laila stay at their place. I don't care what trauma Laila supposedly suffered, she has no right to lie or abandon her daughter. She's a monster. I hope Jeremy divorces her.
@@hi_stranger9156 Jeremy picked a fight with, and abandoned the trash once he learned just how much of a filthy liar she was. That speaks well that he's not going to simp out.
@@DrownedInExile And Op is Is now hiding important stuff, informations that are apparently that bad that her children could be taken away from her, but who cares about them, let's cover up for her. I'm sure none of the people involved will be forced to face that in the future..
Story : laila accused OP and his wife for "replaced" her as parents. Lol. She abandoned her daughter in the first place and lie to her husband. Her excuse about her mental health i dont buying it tho.
My thoughts was maybe unresolved feelings around her "daughter" and maybe SA could be evolved but even then there are ways to handle it without ghosting a child that did nothing wrong! She was mentality well enough to go off and have more kids with no problem "forgetting" she had another one so her excuses are just that! She has lied so much I doubt she knows the truth anymore!
First story: NTA, and my theory is that Laila saw Milly as holding her back from "the rich life" and dumped her with brother. Probably was going to "get rid of her" if brother hadn't stepped up. Then rich husband finds out about Milly and Laila tries to act as though she was forced to give her daughter up. Laila is a POS and she needs to lose custody of her new kids too.
Story 1: My guess is her grief over the loss of her first husband eventually devolved into some sort of psychotic break that led her to, whether intentionally or accidentally, harm or almost end Milly. And she then gave her to OP to either protect her or through some severe pressure from anyone who may have been made aware (potentially mom and dad). Though given OP says the secret is between himself, his wife, and Laila, that might mean it was her own decision. But that's also assuming she was even being truthful about her explanation. Because it's Laila.
Story 1: "My parents raised my sister right with love" that's kinda the problem with being a parent you could (in theory) be the perfect parent & your kid can still turn out like his sister. Parenting is a thankless job with absolutely 0 guarantees that your kid will turn out good. Which is why I will never have any of my own.
There is one thing I have learned - it is far quicker to tell the story of what happened than it is to live it. The 'listener' only has the abridged version and can't get any more because they didn't experience it. That is just life.
Somehow I have a feeling this story happened in my country lmao The story is, unfortunately, familiar. Glad OP's parents are on their side. I'm suuuuper curious what the info OP is holding back though.
As someone else said, should OP believe Laila anyway? She lies plenty. My guess is more mundane. I think her rich husband found out about Milly and was appalled that any mother could abandon a child. He probably kept on about it all the time and she realised that to keep her RICH HUSBAND, she needed to make it seem she desperately wanted her child back and paint OP as the bad guy. I don't know what excuse Laila used, but I find the most likely explanations are usually correct. Laila just doesn't want to look bad. Blame it all an a psychotic breakdown instead.
Nta not ever. This is what happens when dead beat parents try to come back years later like nothing happened. Hopefully millie and op heal from all of this.
For the sake of the half siblings… god, I hope that reason doesn’t involve them. Millie was shielded by OP, but those kids most likely have not enjoyed those same protections…
From the sounds of it it might. I don’t know op sister sounds dangerous to be around the kids. I hope he tell the other kids dad because just the wording and tone is really worrying.
What a bizarre situation How could you believe a chronic liar who accused you of beeing an abducter and hostagetaker of a child Whatever she told op I wouldn't believe it out of principle. She is a narcissistic sociopath without a conscience. She told her rich husband what she thought he needed to hear And now did the same to op
OP was vague, but I am trying to think about what Laila's reasoning could be that would take her kids and husband away from her, moreso than her actions already have. Did she have violent thoughts towards the kids?
I was wondering if perhaps Milly was the result of a SA which is what caused Laila to abandon her as she was a reminder of that? Was Laila in some way responsible for the death of Milly's father? Whether Milly's Dad is who they think or otherwise, if this is the case I can understand why they don't want to tell Milly. Either way Laila needs to seek therapy and deal with her trauma and issues if she is to have any healthy relationships moving forward.
I have a theory on what might have been revealed bc I’ve heard of similar things. I’m thinking Laila might’ve experienced SA that possibly resulted in Milly. And Laila might’ve had a mental breakdown and thoughts of harming her child. Maybe she even DID harm her some as a baby when no one was keeping an eye out for that. It would explain why OP isn’t as concerned for Laila’s other kids, since their dad is a good guy and there’s not trauma association with those kids. If it’s something like that though I do have a bit of an issue with how OP handled it. In the end, Milly is the child and Laila is an adult. I don’t think letting Laila stay in the house when she has openly stated her intentions of taking Milly back was a good idea. I appreciate OP’s trust in his wife but I think he should’ve rebutted against her and discussed the risks more. The risks do not seem worth it IMO. Laila is responsible for her own trauma and mental health and if her actions were caused by trauma, she is still the one responsible for them. Trauma does not excuse child abandonment/mistreatment. I also disagree with Op not telling the husband. Regardless of if OP thinks those kids aren’t at risk of whatever Laila did to Milly, he should have disclosed that to the dad. OP shouldn’t be omitting information that would allow the dad to make informed decisions for his children. Hiding that information is not OP’s place.
My guess is that Lila had at mental breakdown and was having violent thoughts towards Milly, so she chose to leave. Thinking it would be better for everyone. That doesn't excuse her actions but, if true, it's very tragic for all involved.
I agree. Possibly blaming millie for the father's death somehow. I seen it before. There was a story about a father abandoning his daughter because mom died during birth and dad blamed the daughter. After 20 years he still blamed his daughter tho he admitted it was not true.
Given the sort of things people have been allowed to post on AITA, I am now going crazy trying to think what Laila's 'reason' could possibly have been 🤨
Could've just not posted it because it's either too identifying, too personal, or just respecting his sister's secret. But I totally get what you mean. It's dark, and OP doesn't feel comfortable sharing it.
My guess is she did it because she didn't want to be a mom and never loved the kid. She probably had Millie to please her deceased husband, but once he died, she didn't want to be bothered. So she packed up, left and moved on. And that is probably why she had the other kids with the new hubbie too, which is why OP is thinking of him.
This stuff does happen sometimes. I have cousins on my bio fathers side who had their mother run off to Arizona on them when they were little. They were left with their dad and she NEVER came back all those years to see them-not even once. Their dad didn’t care for them either-he only took them so he didn’t have to pay anyone else to care for them and he only did the bare minimum for them. They basically raised themselves and he worked them on the farm until they both ran off. Two years ago-now that everyone has grown and her grandchildren are in college-she decides she wants to come back. Why? Not for the kids. She started talking to an old flame who got divorced and now she’s living with him. She sees one kid who will see her-the other one could care less about her and moved on with his life. Not everyone is fit to be a mother. And her brother (my bio dad) is the same way. He ran off the minute he heard the word “pregnant” and didn’t come back for years. And when he did, it would have been far better for me if he didn’t!
There’s always the possibility that Laila’s reasoning is complete bullshit and it’s just another lie told to try to absolve her from the consequences of her actions.
Annual Microsoft meetings weren't counted as lunch breaks and, to give them their due, Bill and Steve made them fun and interesting but while we were waiting for them to start it became pretty standard practice to make paper aeroplanes out of the program and see how far they could go. The one that left the balcony, did a full circuit and then finally crashed into the back of the stage got the biggest round of applause of the whole event!
At my last job we had those meeting quarterly and referred to them as to the "bosses telling us how fortunate we were to have such great bosses" meetings. A couple of times a year they catered a lunch for those meetings. Twenty-five years ago, at a different job, we had daily department meetings that we called "liars club" meetings.
Anyone else thinking that maybe sister wanted to murder Millie or even tried to? That vague update has me going instantly to that, and the only reason she suddenly wants her back is because new husband started questioning her story and devotion or she's started having the same urges towards her new kids and is thinking if she brought back Millie, she could hurt her instead and blame it on her without raising the new husband's suspicions
I’ve seen a few people theorising, I can almost guarantee that the mother had Postpartum and either tried to kill the kid or both herself and the kid. Probably ran away to stop the intrusive thoughts and then buried the whole lot in her head and tried to perform out a new life untouched by what she thought and what happened to her late husband. it’s not uncommon, both the thoughts of harm and the running before it happens, and it lines up with how revolted op was.
I'm taking a guess that it was because she either didn't love her daughter, or that her daughter reminded her too much of her dead husband and she couldn't handle it or began to hater her/want to hurt her for it.
Story one Update I thought maybe it was assault on Laila but that wouldn't explain why OP fears for his daughters safety I'm thinking Mayne she did something to herself or milly when she was a baby but OP should definitely tell Jeremy I'd it's as bad as possibly keeping her away from her kid even at present time.
I remember this one. Milly is right to be upset. Laila up and abandoned her only to come back after smoozing up to a wealthy man and acted like it didn't happen. Laila is trash and more karma is coming to her. Edit: Final update has me speculating. I hope Laila gets the therapy she needs.
1st story reminds me a bit of my brother- I have , so luckily I have a GOOD brother left these days- who left my niece/his daughter with me and my parents and said, Quote "Can you watch her for 2 days?" NEVER came back for her- he came for VISITS fo the family, a few times (like, aside from Sunday dinner he came... 10 times in the 13 years it took for her to legally become an adult) he's a jerk, but at least I have a second brother who's absolute gold :D
The fact that Milly allowed her to stay with them at all especially to live with them for a short period of time shows how great of a job her parents did with her and how great SHE has done herself. She is completely right, she’s not like her. She doesn’t abandon people in need. Who abandons their 3 year old? I know shitty parents exist, I’ve got my own set of abandonment issues most might call “parents”, but wow. I don’t usually condone violent outbursts but hers was well earned. Sometimes rationality is not the needed response, especially in a situation as irrational as this. I envy the way she tore into her aunt/bio mom. I wish I could go off on my dad like that.
The only thing I can think is Laila had unjustified resentment towards Milly because of her father's death. The "Why are you here instead of him" kind. That kind of resentment could've even made her contemplate hurting or killing her child had she stayed around.
It's possible that Laila was assaulted and Milly is the product of that assault. The op mentions it was trauma and pretty bad to tell Milly the whole story. I could be wrong, but that is where my mind went when it was brought up in the post
A bit on the extreme side but probably Laila had suicide/homicide thoughts. Otherwise, what other terrible thing would be enough to keep Milly away from her and be reason enough her husband would want to stay away from her
since the topic of trauma, and something that would crush the mind of a 14 yr, someething tells me that op's sis got raped, got milly, then killed her husband, then thinking of offing milly and decided to abandon her instead?
STORY 1 - OP´s sister came back and showered everyone with expensive gifts. This does NOT mean that she is really rich. This could be a cover-up for taking her daughter back, creating an insurance plan and then, ehm, something is going to happen to the daughter... Laila could be deep in debts in reality. This sounds crazy, but a parent who hides his child from his new husband is a very inconsiderate, unemphatic and manipulative person. Such a person is able to do whatever. Or just take her daughter to get some child money from state. Who knows. OP MUST inform her husband to save him and his kids.
1: Wow. The longer the story goes on, the worse Laila sounds. The whole idea of "closure" is giant, steaming cow pie, but getting answers can help in the healing process. We naturally want to know *why* things happened to us. Especially when people who *should* love us instead treat us like absolute crap. I also *really* want to know what could be so horrible that OP is barely hinting at it. What kind of "unresolved trauma" could turn someone into such a thoroughly rotten asshole?
Op no matter how bad the reason please tell your daughter what the issue with her birth is. I'm an adoptee. I know darn well secrets don't stay secret for long. Get your daughter and yourself a crap load of therapy and tell her with the therapist present.
1:32 Don’t even need to listen to any more of story 1; OP is absolutely right to not give his daughter ‘back’ to her egg donor. My own egg donor did the same thing, dumped me on her sister who became my mum while her husband became my second dad. My egg donor now wonders why I refuse to have contact with her, despite the fact that she sided with an abusive a-hole over me.
S1 Not so funnily enough, one of my aunties did the same as OP's sister. She left her baby with my grandparents, called the fist three months, and proceeded to disappear for almost a year. By the time she got in contact with her parents again, her mom (my grandparents are divorced) had a custody arrangement with the baby's dad and everyone refused to give her information. They mostly ignore the issue now, but my grandpa still resents her
Am I the only one who thinks that the sister from Story 1 killed her husband and that is why She left to another country for "work"? That's the only reason I can think why OP can't talk about what was the excuse...
Second story: from my experience working as a consultant at different companies the boss could have been stuck between a rock and a hard place. Those meeting were mandatory but then probably got pushback about the amount of overtime for all 60 employees. He probably told the powers that be that because of the mandatory meeting they had to catch up on work. They didn't care and just told him to fix it. That was the only thing he could think off. The CEO does not care all he wants is the issue fixed but does not give the employees the authority to actually fix it. Happens all the time.
My first assumption was that Laila was raped, which was how Milly was conceived, but then why that cause her not to be able to see her kids if her husband found out. So the only thing I could think of is that she tried to kill Milly when she was young. What else could be so bad that they wouldn't ever want Milly to know and that would cause her husband to never let her see the kids again. Edit: Or she could have killed her husband but I doubt that.
first story - tell me you consider children property and a personal accessory without telling me. that sister is a very bad person. she shouldn't have access to any children, much less one she hasn't seen in 11 years because she abandoned them. ETA: "normally i'd not entertain the vocabulary Milly was using but for this specific instance, I just had to allow it" lol. Legend.
Story one the lies she told her husband are those of a narcissist. They were easily disproven but they create their own fantasy world to rationalize their decisions. My MiL abandoned a baby and left her husband taking my husband with her (he was about 6). She made up all kinds of stuff but the reality is she only does things for herself and her interests.
Tyvm LG. This story is so sad yet it was the right thing for daughter. Maybe mother hated daughter because of husband death. Just couldn't look at her? Or as some suggestioned SA by husband, then death so same situation. Just glad the brother and wife stepped up. Stay safe please, Peace.
Could she be a victim that turned into an offender? It explains the horror, the lack of empathy that I truly believe his wife (who let her stay for _days)_ would feel if it was SA, and the criminal aspect.
SERIOUSLY?!? You get us emotionally invested in this story - only to have the final update be a teaser that will NEVER be resolved? NOT COOL! #gameofthrones
I believe Lost Genre waits to post until there is an update. Sometimes that update never happens so I am sure there are many stories he doesn't share. In this case, I think the story was too interesting not to share. I know it's frustrating, I want to know why too! He also seems disappointed with no info at the end. I'm still grateful for his stories and amazing updates/extra info.
The last story. Once a year our CEO gathers us all together and has the meeting at lunchtime. They pay everyone for the meeting and have a large buffet for people to help themselves to during the meeting. It's a really good buffet with everything from vegan, vegetarian and halal, as well as the non dietary restricted stuff for the rest of us. Plus a wide selection of beverages. It's the highlight of the year for many people as the CEO is a fun person who is more than happy to listen if you have issues. He's a "door is always open" in the best kind of way guy.
Mood booster: depending on where they are, that lunch meeting can't be mandatory because you're entitled to an unpaid meal break of at least 30 minutes no later than 5 hours after your start time. Whether you eat or not, you are required to take the break unless you have a union agreement that states otherwise.
Op should tell Jeremy what Laila said. If it's so horrible that they feel they can't tell Milly and that they feel it's so bad the other kids could potentially be in danger. It is better if Jeremy knows. That is my opinion any way.
Ok. I will NOT be sugarcoat things. This is absolutely infuriating! 😡 Why do people always have children and babies when they don't want to be parents? Why don't people just use protection during sex if they don't want to deal with pregnancy? Like Ugh..........What a trashy, selfish, heartless and pathetic excuse for a deadbeat mom. OP is definitely NTA! His sister on the other hand? She is a major A-hole! Poor Milly has every right to be angry at her deadbeat mom! She was literally abandoned by her! And of course OP, his wife and her parents as well as even her husband are furious! She lied her way into marrying a wealthy family! And I'm not surprised that karma was quick to catch up with her. I feel like it always does for deadbeat parents who abandon their poor children. It's extremely hard for me to feel sorry for her because she should've gotten help for the trauma that she apparently had and NOT just abandon her daughter. "Sigh" I will never understand why people have children and babies and then just up and leave them when something bad happens. (ー_ー)
Op in the first story should make sure bio-mom can't get Milly a passport. If she already has one keep it somewhere bio-mom can't get to it. Also inform any government body not to issue a new one unless it's from op.
I think, laila thinks that she do not want children and thinks that her child ruined her life. The husband insisted to come with her and take back her child since her story is her family insisted to give her daughter to her brother. The husband thought he is being the hero to get her daughter back. This also connects all the dots for me.
The only thing I can think of where OP would be so vague would be one of only a couple reasons. It could be that she had an affair that lead to the pregnancy, but that's "somewhat common" on Reddit stories, so it could be that the act of her conception was not consensual. That's the only real thing I can think of that OP would have to protect the daughter from.
I'd have been like "excuse me.? Who the hell are you to claim I stole your daughter when you know full well you dropped her off at my home and haven't seen her in - I'm sorry how long.....11 years.? The world doesn't stop just because your not here to see it."
After the traumatic event I guess the child probably reminded her too much of the father. Didn’t want to deal with the child maybe even have some resentment towards the kid for reminding her of him while also not being him. Abandonment of this level requires cutting off not only physical contact but emotional as well and a mothers maternal emotion for there child isn’t something normally broken. Obviously she abandoned the kid to start a new life and get away from the trauma and basically ignore it until the husband sucked her back into it. I would say she sorted out the resentment, rich and 11 years can do that but the unstableness is still there towards the issue. She point blank abandoned her to have better life and doesn’t really care about her
runs away says I'm not ready to be a parent, comes back with step kids the same age as the ops and or half siblings just a year or two younger, every freakin time
Story 1: The thing here is that OP's sister thinks of children as toys. She got married and had other children to replace her eldest. Yuck! Plus, she says that she did it to get over the guilty conscience she felt for abandoning her daughter. She never mentions the damage and trauma she caused her child. She's a monster.
Bet she wanted her eldest to slide in as a babysitter for the younger two! LIKE "didn't I have another one of these things around to help!!!"! SMH Truth, is probably that Jeremey was the one to force her to reach out after believing all her BS. She moved on past her daughter and just wanted to keep moving forward till hubby found out... This is gross! Even if Milly was the product of SA, which it feels like it is leaning towards being the case, there is tons of ways to deal with it rather then ghosting a literal child... (Like if you know you wont be coming back sign over the rights and don't pretend you plan on coming back!)
Based on things said in updates I think OPs sister is suffering from some form of depression, anger issues, and maybe some survivors guilt. The truth for the abandonment might be that She hates her own daughter because of the loss of her former husband everything else is her guilt acting up but being unable to actually admit it.
I don't give a flying crap what Laila's supposed issues are. She has no right to abandon her kid and lie about it. She's a monster. I hope OP blows the lid on her dirty secret, and Jeremy divorces her.
IF, and I can't say with 100% positively it is, but if this is the story I remember reading a while back, the sister admitted to OP that she had a hand in Millie's bio father's death. There were no details given regarding her part in the bio father's death.
The OP also admitted in some comments that they had to get some sort of protection order for Millie against the sister because of her answer to OP and his wife as to the REAL reason she left and never came back. It appears she had a very strong desire to end Millie if the OP hadn't said he would take her. This wasn't when she was pregnant but after she was born. Also, because Millie didn't want anything to do with her, those "urges" to end Millie had returned.
It is a very sad scenario when you think about it and when the OP admitted that in the comments, Reddit went nuts. People were telling him to go to the Police and tell the sister's new husband so he wouldn't take her back and she might try ending him and/or her other kids. People were even demanding the Mods step in and have Reddit give any information about the OP to the police to track the sister down that way.
The post got closed and the OP deleted their account after removing several of his comments. But, you know the internet, nothing is ever totally erased. That was the last I heard about any of it until Lost Genre read this story.
@thomasjoseph5876 wow, no wonder it was all deleted. Thank goodness Millie has decent protective parents now.
Also, the sister owes OP for all of those years of raising the child.
I hope OP gets her nailed for child abandonment, if he can. And discloses her dirty secret to Jeremy, and I hope he divorces her. She deserves to lose everything.
I think, that at this point, because she is no longer the sister’s child and OP considers the kid his daughter, he wouldn’t take anything even if she offered to compensate him. In his mind, this is probably just a bump in the road they need to get over in order to keep living as a family.
When you adopt a child, you don't get child support from the other/biological parent(s) of the child.
@@tinydancer7426 true - but she still owes for the time until the point that the adoption went through.
@@PriestApostate Getting blood from a turnip would be easier.
Maybe I misunderstood the ending? But I think OP definitely needs to explain to his brother in-law what EXACTLY Laila told him. The fact that he was so horrified that he will never let her near his daughter or TELL his daughter what her birth mother actually said should be enough of a motivation to explain what's going on. I'm assuming those thoughts were violent or homicidal. The father of Laila's other children DESERVES to know who he's married to and who he's raising children with. The brother in-law has already stated he wants to continue to let OPs daughter and his kids get to know each other, so that was a bullshit excuse in my book. OP better have ALL of Laila's children's well-being in mind.
I thought that. Hubby is not living with the person he thought he was. I assume he was the one who insisted Laila got back in touch and thought he was being a hero swooping in to put right a massive injustice, then feeling stupid as his world crashed down round his ears when he found out his wife was a manipulative and selfish witch. If whatever OP found out about his sister was so bad he couldn't say it in the update and made him go full Papa Bear on his daughter then Hubby needs to know so he can protect his children. I get OP is trying to look after Millie, but the half siblings also need protecting too. They are innocent in all this.
That's the feeling I got. OP should've told Jeremy. Laila poses a real danger to her other kids if this is the case.
Exactly. The way that it was worded was alarming & OP needs to take the other children into consideration. It felt like OP was so worried about getting her out of Millie’s life that he was willing to fob her off on her new family.
with the limited details given about the sister's past and side note of poor mental health at the time i can hazard a guess that lady may have been clinically severely depressed with a side of suicidal habits. possible horrible secret being an attempted murder suicide.
this is far above anyone but a professional therapist's pay grade is about the only certain thing.
Is not op's responsability to tell. If Milli has a relationship with her siblings than yes, you can make the argument
Pretty sure the real reason she came back for Milly is that the husband found out about the abandoned daughter and offered/insisted on helping to get her back. Sister's OP couldn't stop it without exposing how absolute crap she is to him so she went along with it.
Story 1 theory: OP alludes to his sister having been a danger to all her children. I'm thinking she may have had a breakdown and was having intrusive thoughts for harming her daughter, and that is why she left. Or, since OP alludes to some kind of trauma happening in her past, perhaps something happened to her, which skewed her to "think of children, differently," and she left when she recognized it.
Thanks for that comment. I couldn't figure out any options what could be so bad they suddenly decided to keep it 100% a secret. What you said makes sense
I, personally, assume that it's either about the father of Miley's dad (maybe after he died, Laila stopped seeing Miley as a child, but instead as a mini version of the father) or after she moved she was somehow attacked or taken advantage off.
Worst thought for me is that maybe Laila experienced some kind of abuse in her childhood? But I don't think that's likely since the "bad behaviour" seemingly appeared after she moved
@@JDM-is-my-name she didn't display bad behaviour to her new husband after moving. If she could hide it from him, she could have just as easily hidden it from her whole family the entire time prior. Children of certain abuse, who feel shame, have a way of hiding things very effectively.
I think that the gender of her other two children might offer a clue. Are they both boys? Perhaps her issue only effects how she feels to girls? Perhaps she came back when the daughter was 14, because she was out of the age range which effects her?
Whatever the substance of the problem was, I have a feeling she told the truth when she said it. Because you never save face by offering the alternative mitigating factor of an unforgivable problem.
The story says Milly's dad died before she was born. I wonder if he took his own life and then her mother blamed her. I don't think I could tell a child that either.
@@lorisewsstuff1607 I was wondering if perhaps Milly was the result of a SA which is what caused Laila to abandon her as she was a reminder of that? Was Laila in some way responsible for the death of Milly's father? Whether Milly's Dad is who they think or otherwise, if this is the case I can understand why they don't want to tell Milly. Either way Laila needs to seek therapy and deal with her trauma and issues if she is to have any healthy relationships moving forward.
Laila abandoned her child and then had the AUDACITY to walk back in and be like "Okay I'm back for Millie! All's good right?" I feel sorry for Jeremy. Laila is tied to him for life now.
She only returned because Jeremy wanted to save Milly from OP who according to Laila had stolen Milly. If Jeremy had never found out about Milly, Laila would have kept quiet. Laila's house of lies collapsed and exposed her lies.
Sister's new husband only just found out she has another daughter and implied he was disgusted that she could abandon her child and so to keep hubby's money, she came back for daughter. Bet her in laws expressed displeasure as well.
Yep I was right. And Laila was "pretty" so she WAS spoiled and thought the world was owed to her.
11yrs? 11yrs?! She left her child, never reached out at all and now she is coming back like, welp, my turn again! How does she not even think of the child? No judge would return her to her incubator... What a horrible woman...
Story #1: NTA. Milly was functionally abandoned. There is no other way to describe the situation. OP's sister found a new man, with money, and then had an entire new family. She's 11 years too late to pretend she was only gone a short while. OP did the hard work, and Milly is rewading him for it.
I cringed pretty hard in the first update. So no phone call, no zoom meeting, just jump straight to family circus? And they let the lying psycho stay at their place overnight??? OP and his wife did EVERYTHING wrong!
OPs sister never intended on returning. It was only because her hubby learned she had a daughter, and that this daughter had been taken by OPs family. The hubby truly thought he'd swoop in and help save Milly. But it caused OPs sisters house of lies to collapse. If hubby had never learned, Milly would never have seen the POS that is her bio mom again. OPs sister had a fresh start, new family and no interest in digging up the past.
@snowyWolborg Correction, she wasn't "functionally" abandoned, she was literally abanadoned by her bio woman.
Wouldn't be surprised if Laila saw her abandonment of Milly as "punishment" for being her ex's daughter. If that makes sense. Secretly hating and resenting her for existing, maybe actually wanting to physically hurt her. Why do I have a feeling Jeremy "talked" her into coming for Milly.
Most likely Jeremy was wanting the kids to meet Milly and Laila was realizing the noose she unintentionally created for herself
It wasn’t an ex husband it was a deceased husband, the punishment theory doesn’t fit with him being dead, that’s more of an “asshole ex, asshole kid” mentality
@@suchfrecks3110I know he's deceased, and left Laila a widow with a young child. I don't think Laila ever properly dealt with his death. The "punishment" theory comes from Laila putting her negative emotions about his death onto Milly. In her obviously deluted mind she might have made herself believe he "left" her in order to cope. And maybe angered that she was left with a child to raise on her own because of him "leaving". I know it sounds off but mentally disturbed people have warped view.
@@suchfrecks3110 I’d wondered if Laila irrationally blames Milly for her father’s death, or if Laila suffered something awful at the hands of Milly’s father that she irrationally blames Milly for which made her not want to look at her. But I don’t think that would explain why OP would think Jeremy would not want Laila around his own daughters if he knew what Laila said, and as horrible as it is to consider not believing a victim of abuse I don’t think OP would take Laila’s word for it when Milly’s father isn’t alive to defend himself and Laila has such a long history of lying. I’m really stumped.
After 11 years! She pretty much ghost her own kid. This is abandonment and by law she lost rights to her kid already. Did her husband know about milly or if the half siblings even understand they have an older sib with a different father. My money is on mom came back to get Milly to be a free in house 24 hour babysitter or nana. Sense she came back when milly was a teen. Milly has to choose if she want a relationship with mom but don't let her leave the country because mom could sell her for a arrange marriage or abused nana.
That bitch could end up in prison if OP took her to court and pressed charges.
Story 1: 30 seconds in and I am firmly in the "do not give the kid back, kids are not toys" camp. You can't just throw them away and come pick them back up as you please. Kids need stability more than almost anything.
The finale update is really concerning now am concerned about the safety of her other kids
@@dragb9284 It's always sad when kids that deserve parents have parents that don't deserve kids.
I get the feeling Laila probably wanted to kill millie or do something worst to her. maybe she blamed her for Millie's father's death and always planned to abandon her when she went overseas. if she truly had guilt for leaving Millie she wouldn't have hid it from Jeremy until they were married (and she had access to his money).
Yeah I get the feeling that something like that happened
@@dragb9284 me too, maybe he died getting something for her pregnant craving and she blamed her daughter for his death.
I remember hearing a story where the OP needed to go somewhere and that lead to the OP and their parent getting into a crash that killed the parent, and the surviving parent blamed OP. That got me thinking that what might have happened was that she had the thought “Why did she (Milly) get to live but he (husband) didn’t?” Maybe she almost acted on it, maybe she realized how awful that thought was, but either way she could have abandoned Milly so she couldn’t act on it and potentially have her life ruined (in her eyes, by Milly)
NTA - she didn't "abandon" her daughter - she Discarded her daughter like an unwanted Christmas gift. And OP even had to take steps to find out where she had gone and what happened. NTA by any stretch, but the "mother" is a massive AH - and she is entitled to nothing - putting her own daughter through that. Low.
UPDATE: Slight AH for letting that snake stay with him and and his wife.
I'm concerned about why OP thinks she shouldn't be around her other kids. I hope what ever it was Millie will grow up safe and loved.
I hope OP is honest with Laila's husband about what she said that makes him so concerned as he needs to consider their safety too
@@eljay1980 same
I'm surprised that Layla didn't poke someone's eye out with how fast her nose grew as she spoke (down) to OP and family.
And I loved Millie tore her bio mom a new one.
Story 1: After that final update I think I have a theory as to what could be this secrete but at the end of the day it is not my business, just hope the OP continues to raise his Daughter well and that the Mother can get some good counseling and become a better person
Oof, that “apology” speech Laila gave. I’ve heard UA-camr apology videos that sounded more sincere and less scummy than this! I could practically hear an orchestra of tiny violins playing!
Lemme guess, the not-mom baby trapped the bio dad to get access to his money, the bio dad died, so the daughter became dead weight to the not-mom
She went away to make a single life, and then tried the same tactic on a wealthier man
Only when the new husband discovered about the daughter, the not-mom realized she could not keep access to his money without pretending to care about the daughter, so she went back to fetch her
OP said the true explanation Lalia gave could be seen as a danger to her family.. My theory is she that she thought about killing Millie, so when she was offered the chance to go abroad, she took it and left her behind for her own safety.
@@hendyo_98 The bio mom kept giving explanations that made her look good, despite her horrible behavior, how much of a simp do you have to be to believe it?
The bio mom had no interest in reaching to her daughter, until her access to money was compromised
Dont listen to their words, just look at their actions instead
@GinHindew110 I'm not excusing the fact that she abandoned her daughter, but the women had trauma, and trauma coupled with postpartum depression could lead to some dark thoughts, especially if she blames Millie for her former husband's death. OP seems to believe her truth. Or do you not believe that mental health is good enough for a mother to want her daughter in a safe place?
@@hendyo_98 Having mental problems, and using fake mental problems as an excuse to avoid accountability, are two very different things
As the bio mom never admitted any blame, and responsabilized everybody else for her behavior, its very clear she is faking it
@@hendyo_98 was just going to say this. She could have had a severe case of Post Partum combined with a mental breakdown after dad's death that made her volatile. My other theory was that she had (or maybe still has) some sort of addiction/substance abuse problem that she's kept hush hush all this time. Addictions can bring out the absolute worst in people and addicts often try to put an insane amount of efforts to hide things
Laila: Well well well if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions.
Also I know OP wants everything to be done but she is back, sue that woman for all the child support she owes your family, and tell the husband whatever she said, think of her other kids, they will have to deal with that awful woman and they deserve to be safe.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that op’s sister suffered a post partum psychotic break and tried to shake or harm Millie.
Story 1: Sounds like rich mommy wants a free babysitter so she can "live her best life." Also... I would have slapped those abandonment charges down like a 10-ton hammer.
I AM SO PROUD OF MILLY! It can be sooo hard for kids to say what a kid wants and she did such a good job! One day she will want more information but for now just make her feel loved.
S1: OP would be YTA if he gave his daughter back! Laila abandoned her daughter. She's nothing but a deadbeat egg-donor. Millie is nothing but a toy to Laila. OP has an obligation to protect Millie from Laila.
Post-updates: So no phonecall, zoom meeting, just jump straight to family circus at his home? FFS, OP did everything wrong! His wife isn't empathetic, she's a fool and a doormat for insisting Laila stay at their place. I don't care what trauma Laila supposedly suffered, she has no right to lie or abandon her daughter. She's a monster. I hope Jeremy divorces her.
What do you think the odds that Laila and jeremy marriage will crumbling and ending with divorced especially jeremy knew the texts Laila send to OP ?
@@hi_stranger9156 Jeremy picked a fight with, and abandoned the trash once he learned just how much of a filthy liar she was. That speaks well that he's not going to simp out.
@@DrownedInExile And Op is Is now hiding important stuff, informations that are apparently that bad that her children could be taken away from her, but who cares about them, let's cover up for her. I'm sure none of the people involved will be forced to face that in the future..
Story 1, mate you a bloody Hero. What a great uncle / dad to take on Millie and all the best mate.
Story : laila accused OP and his wife for "replaced" her as parents. Lol. She abandoned her daughter in the first place and lie to her husband. Her excuse about her mental health i dont buying it tho.
I'm betting that she is a rape baby. It's the only thing that makes any sense that I can think of
@@calebchant3116 how so ? I'm listening this story while do the dishes,so probably i'm missing something ? What make you think that ?
Laila has such a track record of lying, if she said the sky was blue, everyone should look up to see for themselves.
My thoughts was maybe unresolved feelings around her "daughter" and maybe SA could be evolved but even then there are ways to handle it without ghosting a child that did nothing wrong! She was mentality well enough to go off and have more kids with no problem "forgetting" she had another one so her excuses are just that! She has lied so much I doubt she knows the truth anymore!
But they DID replace her!
Much in the same way you replace a broken light bulb with a working one!
The sister acts like the kid is just a doll she can pick up and put down whenever she chooses 🤦🏿♀️
First story: NTA, and my theory is that Laila saw Milly as holding her back from "the rich life" and dumped her with brother. Probably was going to "get rid of her" if brother hadn't stepped up. Then rich husband finds out about Milly and Laila tries to act as though she was forced to give her daughter up. Laila is a POS and she needs to lose custody of her new kids too.
1: I'm so glad op let her express her anger in full against her mother. It was one of those few situations when letting rules break is the best thing
Story 1: My guess is her grief over the loss of her first husband eventually devolved into some sort of psychotic break that led her to, whether intentionally or accidentally, harm or almost end Milly. And she then gave her to OP to either protect her or through some severe pressure from anyone who may have been made aware (potentially mom and dad). Though given OP says the secret is between himself, his wife, and Laila, that might mean it was her own decision. But that's also assuming she was even being truthful about her explanation. Because it's Laila.
Story 1: "My parents raised my sister right with love" that's kinda the problem with being a parent you could (in theory) be the perfect parent & your kid can still turn out like his sister. Parenting is a thankless job with absolutely 0 guarantees that your kid will turn out good. Which is why I will never have any of my own.
There is one thing I have learned - it is far quicker to tell the story of what happened than it is to live it. The 'listener' only has the abridged version and can't get any more because they didn't experience it. That is just life.
Somehow I have a feeling this story happened in my country lmao The story is, unfortunately, familiar.
Glad OP's parents are on their side. I'm suuuuper curious what the info OP is holding back though.
I'm afraid it might have been that his sister had thought filicide out of her mental trauma, possible followed with suicide...
As someone else said, should OP believe Laila anyway? She lies plenty. My guess is more mundane. I think her rich husband found out about Milly and was appalled that any mother could abandon a child. He probably kept on about it all the time and she realised that to keep her RICH HUSBAND, she needed to make it seem she desperately wanted her child back and paint OP as the bad guy. I don't know what excuse Laila used, but I find the most likely explanations are usually correct. Laila just doesn't want to look bad. Blame it all an a psychotic breakdown instead.
Nta not ever. This is what happens when dead beat parents try to come back years later like nothing happened. Hopefully millie and op heal from all of this.
For the sake of the half siblings… god, I hope that reason doesn’t involve them. Millie was shielded by OP, but those kids most likely have not enjoyed those same protections…
From the sounds of it it might. I don’t know op sister sounds dangerous to be around the kids. I hope he tell the other kids dad because just the wording and tone is really worrying.
@@dragb9284 I agree. OP might owe it to those kids to give that dad a heads-up, especially if the reason can be applied to them.
Op is an idiot, is willingly putting those children in danger, let alone his own daughter. Why the hell shouldn't he warn her about this kind of stuff
It could have something to do with the first husband who died.
What a bizarre situation
How could you believe a chronic liar who accused you of beeing an abducter and hostagetaker of a child
Whatever she told op I wouldn't believe it out of principle.
She is a narcissistic sociopath without a conscience.
She told her rich husband what she thought he needed to hear
And now did the same to op
Ya. Keep the kid and keep her safe. It's not a a-hole move by keeping her at all.
OP was vague, but I am trying to think about what Laila's reasoning could be that would take her kids and husband away from her, moreso than her actions already have. Did she have violent thoughts towards the kids?
I was wondering if perhaps Milly was the result of a SA which is what caused Laila to abandon her as she was a reminder of that? Was Laila in some way responsible for the death of Milly's father? Whether Milly's Dad is who they think or otherwise, if this is the case I can understand why they don't want to tell Milly. Either way Laila needs to seek therapy and deal with her trauma and issues if she is to have any healthy relationships moving forward.
That was my thought, I think there is something not right about how she views Millie and may have been a serious danger to her.
I have a theory on what might have been revealed bc I’ve heard of similar things. I’m thinking Laila might’ve experienced SA that possibly resulted in Milly. And Laila might’ve had a mental breakdown and thoughts of harming her child. Maybe she even DID harm her some as a baby when no one was keeping an eye out for that. It would explain why OP isn’t as concerned for Laila’s other kids, since their dad is a good guy and there’s not trauma association with those kids.
If it’s something like that though I do have a bit of an issue with how OP handled it. In the end, Milly is the child and Laila is an adult. I don’t think letting Laila stay in the house when she has openly stated her intentions of taking Milly back was a good idea. I appreciate OP’s trust in his wife but I think he should’ve rebutted against her and discussed the risks more. The risks do not seem worth it IMO.
Laila is responsible for her own trauma and mental health and if her actions were caused by trauma, she is still the one responsible for them. Trauma does not excuse child abandonment/mistreatment.
I also disagree with Op not telling the husband. Regardless of if OP thinks those kids aren’t at risk of whatever Laila did to Milly, he should have disclosed that to the dad. OP shouldn’t be omitting information that would allow the dad to make informed decisions for his children. Hiding that information is not OP’s place.
My guess is that Lila had at mental breakdown and was having violent thoughts towards Milly, so she chose to leave. Thinking it would be better for everyone. That doesn't excuse her actions but, if true, it's very tragic for all involved.
I agree. Possibly blaming millie for the father's death somehow. I seen it before. There was a story about a father abandoning his daughter because mom died during birth and dad blamed the daughter. After 20 years he still blamed his daughter tho he admitted it was not true.
Yeah that’s what I came up with. I do worry about milky other siblings now tho cause it sounds like she never got help for that.
Given the sort of things people have been allowed to post on AITA, I am now going crazy trying to think what Laila's 'reason' could possibly have been 🤨
Could've just not posted it because it's either too identifying, too personal, or just respecting his sister's secret. But I totally get what you mean. It's dark, and OP doesn't feel comfortable sharing it.
My guess is she did it because she didn't want to be a mom and never loved the kid. She probably had Millie to please her deceased husband, but once he died, she didn't want to be bothered. So she packed up, left and moved on. And that is probably why she had the other kids with the new hubbie too, which is why OP is thinking of him.
Considering the wild things she told husband 2 about the family OP should take whatever horrible thing she told him with a grain of salt
I just want to say thank you for houe much time and effort you put in these videos for us.
I can't describe how angry OP's sister’s words made me. I could not be in the same room as that person.
Story 1: OP needs to tell bil the secret to keep his kids safe! Otherwise he WBTA
This stuff does happen sometimes. I have cousins on my bio fathers side who had their mother run off to Arizona on them when they were little. They were left with their dad and she NEVER came back all those years to see them-not even once. Their dad didn’t care for them either-he only took them so he didn’t have to pay anyone else to care for them and he only did the bare minimum for them. They basically raised themselves and he worked them on the farm until they both ran off. Two years ago-now that everyone has grown and her grandchildren are in college-she decides she wants to come back. Why? Not for the kids. She started talking to an old flame who got divorced and now she’s living with him. She sees one kid who will see her-the other one could care less about her and moved on with his life. Not everyone is fit to be a mother. And her brother (my bio dad) is the same way. He ran off the minute he heard the word “pregnant” and didn’t come back for years. And when he did, it would have been far better for me if he didn’t!
There’s always the possibility that Laila’s reasoning is complete bullshit and it’s just another lie told to try to absolve her from the consequences of her actions.
Annual Microsoft meetings weren't counted as lunch breaks and, to give them their due, Bill and Steve made them fun and interesting but while we were waiting for them to start it became pretty standard practice to make paper aeroplanes out of the program and see how far they could go. The one that left the balcony, did a full circuit and then finally crashed into the back of the stage got the biggest round of applause of the whole event!
That is so adorably wholesome!
At my last job we had those meeting quarterly and referred to them as to the "bosses telling us how fortunate we were to have such great bosses" meetings. A couple of times a year they catered a lunch for those meetings. Twenty-five years ago, at a different job, we had daily department meetings that we called "liars club" meetings.
Anyone else thinking that maybe sister wanted to murder Millie or even tried to? That vague update has me going instantly to that, and the only reason she suddenly wants her back is because new husband started questioning her story and devotion or she's started having the same urges towards her new kids and is thinking if she brought back Millie, she could hurt her instead and blame it on her without raising the new husband's suspicions
Sister killed the daddy or had something to do with his untimely death… she immediately leaves the country????
I’ve seen a few people theorising, I can almost guarantee that the mother had Postpartum and either tried to kill the kid or both herself and the kid.
Probably ran away to stop the intrusive thoughts and then buried the whole lot in her head and tried to perform out a new life untouched by what she thought and what happened to her late husband.
it’s not uncommon, both the thoughts of harm and the running before it happens, and it lines up with how revolted op was.
Anyone else trying to guess what the horrible secret is?
Molly is probably the result of S/A. If explains why they wouldn't outright tell Milly about it🤔.
Probably rape by the putative father, or s*x worker and no known father.
I'm taking a guess that it was because she either didn't love her daughter, or that her daughter reminded her too much of her dead husband and she couldn't handle it or began to hater her/want to hurt her for it.
My guess is she's blaming the poor kid for her former husband's death.
My guess is that the dead husband is not the father of Milly and could have led to his death somehow.
Story one Update I thought maybe it was assault on Laila but that wouldn't explain why OP fears for his daughters safety I'm thinking Mayne she did something to herself or milly when she was a baby but OP should definitely tell Jeremy I'd it's as bad as possibly keeping her away from her kid even at present time.
I remember this one. Milly is right to be upset. Laila up and abandoned her only to come back after smoozing up to a wealthy man and acted like it didn't happen.
Laila is trash and more karma is coming to her.
Edit: Final update has me speculating. I hope Laila gets the therapy she needs.
1st story reminds me a bit of my brother- I have , so luckily I have a GOOD brother left these days- who left my niece/his daughter with me and my parents and said, Quote
"Can you watch her for 2 days?"
NEVER came back for her- he came for VISITS fo the family, a few times (like, aside from Sunday dinner he came... 10 times in the 13 years it took for her to legally become an adult)
he's a jerk, but at least I have a second brother who's absolute gold :D
The fact that Milly allowed her to stay with them at all especially to live with them for a short period of time shows how great of a job her parents did with her and how great SHE has done herself. She is completely right, she’s not like her. She doesn’t abandon people in need. Who abandons their 3 year old? I know shitty parents exist, I’ve got my own set of abandonment issues most might call “parents”, but wow. I don’t usually condone violent outbursts but hers was well earned. Sometimes rationality is not the needed response, especially in a situation as irrational as this. I envy the way she tore into her aunt/bio mom. I wish I could go off on my dad like that.
The only thing I can think is Laila had unjustified resentment towards Milly because of her father's death. The "Why are you here instead of him" kind. That kind of resentment could've even made her contemplate hurting or killing her child had she stayed around.
Definitely tell the daughter. Let her help decide. Thanks for the video LG
Putting money down on it that this “unresolved trauma” involves the dead husband.
It's possible that Laila was assaulted and Milly is the product of that assault. The op mentions it was trauma and pretty bad to tell Milly the whole story. I could be wrong, but that is where my mind went when it was brought up in the post
A bit on the extreme side but probably Laila had suicide/homicide thoughts. Otherwise, what other terrible thing would be enough to keep Milly away from her and be reason enough her husband would want to stay away from her
since the topic of trauma, and something that would crush the mind of a 14 yr, someething tells me that op's sis got raped, got milly, then killed her husband, then thinking of offing milly and decided to abandon her instead?
I like that unlike other stories, the family supported OP and did not want to force him to give the child back.
STORY 1 - OP´s sister came back and showered everyone with expensive gifts. This does NOT mean that she is really rich. This could be a cover-up for taking her daughter back, creating an insurance plan and then, ehm, something is going to happen to the daughter... Laila could be deep in debts in reality. This sounds crazy, but a parent who hides his child from his new husband is a very inconsiderate, unemphatic and manipulative person. Such a person is able to do whatever. Or just take her daughter to get some child money from state. Who knows. OP MUST inform her husband to save him and his kids.
1: Wow. The longer the story goes on, the worse Laila sounds. The whole idea of "closure" is giant, steaming cow pie, but getting answers can help in the healing process. We naturally want to know *why* things happened to us. Especially when people who *should* love us instead treat us like absolute crap. I also *really* want to know what could be so horrible that OP is barely hinting at it. What kind of "unresolved trauma" could turn someone into such a thoroughly rotten asshole?
Op no matter how bad the reason please tell your daughter what the issue with her birth is. I'm an adoptee. I know darn well secrets don't stay secret for long. Get your daughter and yourself a crap load of therapy and tell her with the therapist present.
Ok I’m maddeningly curious what Layla did.
1:32 Don’t even need to listen to any more of story 1; OP is absolutely right to not give his daughter ‘back’ to her egg donor. My own egg donor did the same thing, dumped me on her sister who became my mum while her husband became my second dad. My egg donor now wonders why I refuse to have contact with her, despite the fact that she sided with an abusive a-hole over me.
If Laila is truly a potential danger to children op better at least tell her husband
S1 Not so funnily enough, one of my aunties did the same as OP's sister. She left her baby with my grandparents, called the fist three months, and proceeded to disappear for almost a year.
By the time she got in contact with her parents again, her mom (my grandparents are divorced) had a custody arrangement with the baby's dad and everyone refused to give her information. They mostly ignore the issue now, but my grandpa still resents her
Am I the only one who thinks that the sister from Story 1 killed her husband and that is why She left to another country for "work"? That's the only reason I can think why OP can't talk about what was the excuse...
Second story: from my experience working as a consultant at different companies the boss could have been stuck between a rock and a hard place. Those meeting were mandatory but then probably got pushback about the amount of overtime for all 60 employees. He probably told the powers that be that because of the mandatory meeting they had to catch up on work. They didn't care and just told him to fix it. That was the only thing he could think off. The CEO does not care all he wants is the issue fixed but does not give the employees the authority to actually fix it. Happens all the time.
Is there anything better than hearing the words “final update.”
My first assumption was that Laila was raped, which was how Milly was conceived, but then why that cause her not to be able to see her kids if her husband found out. So the only thing I could think of is that she tried to kill Milly when she was young. What else could be so bad that they wouldn't ever want Milly to know and that would cause her husband to never let her see the kids again.
Edit: Or she could have killed her husband but I doubt that.
first story - tell me you consider children property and a personal accessory without telling me. that sister is a very bad person. she shouldn't have access to any children, much less one she hasn't seen in 11 years because she abandoned them.
ETA: "normally i'd not entertain the vocabulary Milly was using but for this specific instance, I just had to allow it" lol. Legend.
Story one the lies she told her husband are those of a narcissist. They were easily disproven but they create their own fantasy world to rationalize their decisions. My MiL abandoned a baby and left her husband taking my husband with her (he was about 6). She made up all kinds of stuff but the reality is she only does things for herself and her interests.
Tyvm LG. This story is so sad yet it was the right thing for daughter. Maybe mother hated daughter because of husband death. Just couldn't look at her? Or as some suggestioned SA by husband, then death so same situation. Just glad the brother and wife stepped up.
Stay safe please, Peace.
they should’ve told millie with a therapist present.
Could she be a victim that turned into an offender? It explains the horror, the lack of empathy that I truly believe his wife (who let her stay for _days)_ would feel if it was SA, and the criminal aspect.
I bet Milly is the daughter of a SA and Laila couldn't stand looking at her etc
Or Millie herself is the predator.
SERIOUSLY?!? You get us emotionally invested in this story - only to have the final update be a teaser that will NEVER be resolved?
NOT COOL!
#gameofthrones
I believe Lost Genre waits to post until there is an update. Sometimes that update never happens so I am sure there are
many stories he doesn't share. In this case, I think the story was too interesting not to share. I know it's frustrating, I want to know why too!
He also seems disappointed with no info at the end. I'm still grateful for his stories and amazing updates/extra info.
Story 1 Theory. How much you want to bet Milly is the spitting image of her biological father.
Get her for back child support
The last story. Once a year our CEO gathers us all together and has the meeting at lunchtime. They pay everyone for the meeting and have a large buffet for people to help themselves to during the meeting. It's a really good buffet with everything from vegan, vegetarian and halal, as well as the non dietary restricted stuff for the rest of us. Plus a wide selection of beverages. It's the highlight of the year for many people as the CEO is a fun person who is more than happy to listen if you have issues. He's a "door is always open" in the best kind of way guy.
Mood booster: depending on where they are, that lunch meeting can't be mandatory because you're entitled to an unpaid meal break of at least 30 minutes no later than 5 hours after your start time. Whether you eat or not, you are required to take the break unless you have a union agreement that states otherwise.
I trust Jeremy leaves her and takes the kids.
OP's wife is an idiot for letting a rabid animal into the house.
Op should tell Jeremy what Laila said. If it's so horrible that they feel they can't tell Milly and that they feel it's so bad the other kids could potentially be in danger. It is better if Jeremy knows. That is my opinion any way.
Ok. I will NOT be sugarcoat things. This is absolutely infuriating! 😡 Why do people always have children and babies when they don't want to be parents? Why don't people just use protection during sex if they don't want to deal with pregnancy? Like Ugh..........What a trashy, selfish, heartless and pathetic excuse for a deadbeat mom.
OP is definitely NTA! His sister on the other hand? She is a major A-hole! Poor Milly has every right to be angry at her deadbeat mom! She was literally abandoned by her! And of course OP, his wife and her parents as well as even her husband are furious! She lied her way into marrying a wealthy family! And I'm not surprised that karma was quick to catch up with her. I feel like it always does for deadbeat parents who abandon their poor children. It's extremely hard for me to feel sorry for her because she should've gotten help for the trauma that she apparently had and NOT just abandon her daughter. "Sigh" I will never understand why people have children and babies and then just up and leave them when something bad happens. (ー_ー)
It's so sad that some people with the ability to have kids treat them so horribly
Perhaps she killed the person responsible for accident or she did the accident herself.
1- NTA,She abandoned that baby for 11 years. Milly was three and spent 4/5 of her life with OP and his wife as her parents.
Op in the first story should make sure bio-mom can't get Milly a passport. If she already has one keep it somewhere bio-mom can't get to it. Also inform any government body not to issue a new one unless it's from op.
I think, laila thinks that she do not want children and thinks that her child ruined her life. The husband insisted to come with her and take back her child since her story is her family insisted to give her daughter to her brother. The husband thought he is being the hero to get her daughter back. This also connects all the dots for me.
The only thing I can think of where OP would be so vague would be one of only a couple reasons. It could be that she had an affair that lead to the pregnancy, but that's "somewhat common" on Reddit stories, so it could be that the act of her conception was not consensual. That's the only real thing I can think of that OP would have to protect the daughter from.
I'd have been like "excuse me.? Who the hell are you to claim I stole your daughter when you know full well you dropped her off at my home and haven't seen her in - I'm sorry how long.....11 years.? The world doesn't stop just because your not here to see it."
Amazing video as all ways
After the traumatic event I guess the child probably reminded her too much of the father. Didn’t want to deal with the child maybe even have some resentment towards the kid for reminding her of him while also not being him. Abandonment of this level requires cutting off not only physical contact but emotional as well and a mothers maternal emotion for there child isn’t something normally broken. Obviously she abandoned the kid to start a new life and get away from the trauma and basically ignore it until the husband sucked her back into it. I would say she sorted out the resentment, rich and 11 years can do that but the unstableness is still there towards the issue. She point blank abandoned her to have better life and doesn’t really care about her
runs away says I'm not ready to be a parent, comes back with step kids the same age as the ops and or half siblings just a year or two younger, every freakin time
SISTER NEEDS A FREE LIVE IN NANNY & SERVANT & HOUSEKEEPER !!!!! LAUGHING WHOLE TIME