side note on the knockback immunity - for whatever reason, it sometimes doesn't apply when you pop phlog while being healed. if you've ever been knocked out of your taunt despite being firmly on the ground, it was because of this bug.
Having a healing beam applied to you after taunting removes the knockback immunity. This works for dispensers, mediguns, amputators, that one Halloween spell, and the player destruction beam. It's just an old buggy addcond.
It's weirdly fascinating how lister, the messiah of the Dragon's Fury, is now obsessed with the flamethrower that could be considered the arguable complete antithesis to that weapon.
I wouldn’t say so, he would if he was using the scorch shot but this requires the detonator or jet pack. The phlog is the worst flame thrower by far because of the no air blast
@@randomationstudios24x68 Bruh this is broken. Phlog on its own isn't that hard to counter, but the phlog cancel negates all its setbacks for even more rewards.
I've done this a few times over the years, but mostly by accident. It was always: - Be playing around as dickhead phlog+thruster pyro - Accidentally fly around a corner right into a crowd of enemies instead of a short distance away, landing on someone's head - Panic and reflexively activate the crits - Successfully accidentally phlog cancel - Still die in about 2 seconds
This is also very effective in Mann Vs. Machine, as robot heads automatically slide players off, making the jetpack/detonator very useful with the phlog, and the extra 2 seconds of crits are very good for tank busting.
@@uihirasawa843 with TF2 being without any major update in 5 years, it's safe to say they might not do anything about this. And even if team defence fort 2 gets updates, they wouldn't want to patch this because if they did, it'll make a bunch of "skilled" phlog pros angry, and just skilled pyros in general.
I was playing on Uncletopia with you the other day. Holy SHIT was that an infuriating game. Regardless, I respect the skill that comes with this tactic...despite it feeling a little OP.
I think i just realized that I may have been playing against him on uncletopia as well. Our team kept getting randomly phlogged and I swear I never even heard the sound bro just appeared like a spy.
@@hoffer_moment Phlog really cant be OP with its current stats just because of a 2 second uber. The downside of not having airblast is just too big. Besides if you even watched the entire video you'd see theres already 2 obvious counterplays to it, either literally stand still if the pyro lands on you so he doesnt even get the cancel or watch out for flying pyros and simply move out of the way.
I don't think this will change too terribly much, phlog cancelling has been around for ages, and people have had plenty of time to practice the art in mvm. I feel like we would have seen people doing it more by now. Fingers crossed I suppose.
if i had a nickel for every time a tf2ber came up with an excuse to use the phlog exclusively, i’d have 2 nickels. which isn’t much, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
New Lister video, i am enthralled to be educated and entertained for the next 21 minutes. your videos have amazing pacing and always are interesting, good work!
hi, aspiring pyro main here: lister, I know you probably won't see this, but your multiple pyro videos like this and the dragons fury video have been quite interesting, and studying them along with practice is making me better each day. i appreciate the content and it helps a lot, so thank you
@@CelestineGup I mean the one that makes you shiny, that you can still hurt people with, plus pyro can also deploy other "invulnerabilities" no damage taken because Uber no knockback because Quickfix crits because Kritzkreig
I'm genuinely surprised that I've never seen a phlog cancel in an actual match before, I've seen it in a few MVM videos before I think but besides that this is the first time I've seen it be used on real people lmao I hope this does actually make people do this more because I just kinda want to see it happen more often, it seems like one of the coolest techniques in tf2 in my opinion
As a big enthusiast of the phlog, it's a huge delight seeing this tech gaining coverage. Nobody takes the phlog seriously until someone really puts it to use. Awesome video.
This is a deeply cool strategy, but I don't think you'll see most pyros running it or that pyro is suddenly going to start dominating pubs. Not only because it requires a ton of practice, but because, like any strategy that relies on surprise, it shouldn't work more than once or twice. A team with any sense will be watching for flying pyros after the first phlog cancel, much like with trolldiers. Still, this absolutely exudes style and could be a game winning trick if the enemy doesn't see it coming.
Spy relies on surprise and by your logic wouldn't work... Because to counter the surprise requires standing still for 2 seconds and having eyes on your head as any ledge can be a Phlog cancel ledge. Pyros are normally relatively close to their team so stand still for 2 seconds. The Pyro gets a Phlog Cancel of 1 second and killed you.
Great, now I gotta worry about pyros flying through the air, landing on my head, and burning me and half my team alive with crits WHILE being invulnerable to damage and knockback for at least a couple weeks. Thanks lister! XD
Amazing timing on this video ... I literally did this yesterday and I was super confused as to why I had uber and melted everyone. Now I know! Great video, thanks! I'm not gonna be an even worse phlogger now
I just thought about when your video are going to come today with excitement when I just came back to watch your old videos about the history about some of TF2 classes updates You just surprised me with this upload and pretty beneficial information about the phlog cancel mechanic
I always loved doing this. I imagine it like one of those scenes in cartoons where a bug lands on someone's head and they have to try and stand perfectly still for their friend to try and swat it, but they just end up hitting them instead.
It’s been popular for a long time, the one tf2 dev who still cares at least a little bit won’t do anything about it. They’d have to completely rework the pyro primary taunt or make a new one for phlog and that’s just too much for such a niche bug
I was aware of the existence and power of phlog canceling but never tried it myself. I feel like now it is a great time to give it a shot. You could say, this video was really phloggers!
As someone that hated the phlog when it was overpowered, (2015 phlog gave full hp, crits and uber longer than the taunt), I'm entirely fine with this and hope it stays in the game.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand The Phlog. The weapon is extremely situational, and without a solid grasp of the scorch shot most of the players will die without a single kill. There's also the phlog being called a "crutch weapon" which is deftly woven into his ablities being superior than any of other weapons- its design draws heavily from Greg Broadmore illustrations, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of this weapon, to realise that its not just a good weapon- its says something about tf2's core design. As a consequence people who dislike The Phlog ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Pyro's existential catchphrase "Mmph mmmph," which itself is a cryptic reference to Daniel Kahneman's Award winning novel Thinking, Fast and Slow. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Gabe Newell genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂
Another important note, you can still airstrafe if you hold only W. When you hold W and aim while moving horizontally in the air, you will orbit around the thing you're aiming at. But only if you aren't turning too fast, because it's a lot like A and D airstrafing when it comes to how sharp your turn can be.
If you can manage to get enough kills without dying, then pull this move off you've earned the right to be the God of fire for 2 seconds. It's just so hard to pull off that if you do this then it's skill and luck, not an exploit. It's more of a cursed secret feature, both for the pyro trying it and the other team.
I respect your dedication to developing this playstyle, even if it's unpopular and bound to get fixed "eventually". If I still played tf2 I'd be grinding this shit after watching. Nice vid
I remember being so excited the first time I pulled this off, but then the first enemy I faced was a soldier with a deployed battalion's backup so it didn't even do extra damage lol. I still made a video of it, but man that was bad luck!
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side note on the knockback immunity - for whatever reason, it sometimes doesn't apply when you pop phlog while being healed. if you've ever been knocked out of your taunt despite being firmly on the ground, it was because of this bug.
you've ruined this gmae
🦆
Cool CS GO video
Please can you do the history of soldier
Having a healing beam applied to you after taunting removes the knockback immunity. This works for dispensers, mediguns, amputators, that one Halloween spell, and the player destruction beam. It's just an old buggy addcond.
This isn't just your normal everyday evil. This is *Advanced* Evil.
Evil 2, if you will
Ultra Violence
@@whoisanarnb Nightmare!
Skilled evil. The worst type because you can complain about it
This is resident evil.
You could call it a UFO (Ubered Flaming Object) it’s also good because the phlog is an alien weapon. The UFO Pyro
ahaha
Perfect name for it!
Give this to elmaxo
He will put that info to use instantly
Genius! It's really catchy to say it too!
Perfect
so *you* were the one crushing my hopes and dreams in uncletopia and absolutely carrying. impressive
It's weirdly fascinating how lister, the messiah of the Dragon's Fury, is now obsessed with the flamethrower that could be considered the arguable complete antithesis to that weapon.
we should hae expected this from his extended use of the scorch shot, the phlog corrupts anything the scorch frontiers
This man didn't sell his soul, he sold his whole identity
F
Who?
@@jadsoncaua5939 pyro
I wouldn’t say so, he would if he was using the scorch shot but this requires the detonator or jet pack. The phlog is the worst flame thrower by far because of the no air blast
@@randomationstudios24x68 Bruh this is broken. Phlog on its own isn't that hard to counter, but the phlog cancel negates all its setbacks for even more rewards.
I've done this a few times over the years, but mostly by accident. It was always:
- Be playing around as dickhead phlog+thruster pyro
- Accidentally fly around a corner right into a crowd of enemies instead of a short distance away, landing on someone's head
- Panic and reflexively activate the crits
- Successfully accidentally phlog cancel
- Still die in about 2 seconds
-Die while having uber
In about 2.001*, can't forget the free 2 seconds.
@@apumpkinsquash7881 he said in about 2 seconds, learn how to read
@@naoeveel someone gets invited to a lot of parties I'm sure!!
@@apumpkinsquash7881 you said this a whole solid like forty to sixty days later so he's probably moved on by now
Thanks for the tutorial on how to locate and go to the 10th circle of hell. I will make sure to share this with as many people as possible!
This is also very effective in Mann Vs. Machine, as robot heads automatically slide players off, making the jetpack/detonator very useful with the phlog, and the extra 2 seconds of crits are very good for tank busting.
Basically this, and I really hope the TF team doesn't attempt some way to patch this out.
@@uihirasawa843 with TF2 being without any major update in 5 years, it's safe to say they might not do anything about this. And even if team defence fort 2 gets updates, they wouldn't want to patch this because if they did, it'll make a bunch of "skilled" phlog pros angry, and just skilled pyros in general.
@@SpektralwastakenYeah. What I'd day is make the Scorch shot more skilled based and force people using them to try aiming.
I was playing on Uncletopia with you the other day. Holy SHIT was that an infuriating game. Regardless, I respect the skill that comes with this tactic...despite it feeling a little OP.
I think i just realized that I may have been playing against him on uncletopia as well. Our team kept getting randomly phlogged and I swear I never even heard the sound bro just appeared like a spy.
if you have any experience with rocket jumping or stairstabs then this is extremely op, not much needed to pull it off
Australia? Was it Elmaxo?
This is easy to accomplish wdym skill?
@@hoffer_moment Phlog really cant be OP with its current stats just because of a 2 second uber.
The downside of not having airblast is just too big.
Besides if you even watched the entire video you'd see theres already 2 obvious counterplays to it, either literally stand still if the pyro lands on you so he doesnt even get the cancel or watch out for flying pyros and simply move out of the way.
This is the true power of the HIGH GROUND
Pyro is simply following obi-wan's guidance with a hint of evil
As Darth Sidius once told us, if one truly wishes to understand the great mystery, they must study all aspects of it.
Master-GNK
i think thats a lil more than a hint of evil
Changed my username to my tf2 username
No matter how powerful your strategy is you are never immune to the randomness of TF2
never immune to outrageous pyro main bullshit*
0:37 pyro sceeaming for like a quarter second is hilarious
Bro singlehandedly making pyro a more interesting class than Valve ever intended
""""interesting""""
Definition of interesting:
-Shoot fire
-Man dies
-Repeat
@@Reilers I guess the entire part of detonator jumping and air strafing to land on a head never existed.
@@irkkunen4933 pyro haters will cherry pick their arguments to keep pyro in a bad light.
But isnt that every class? Just replace fire with bullet/explosive
This proves that the every class and weapon has an extremely high skill ceiling, even phlog pyro.
Except most classes aren’t infuriating to play against
@@gulpinmackerel1429 try being less of a bitch
@@gulpinmackerel1429 Every class has the opportunity to be annoying, Pyro just does it the easiest. I don’t see how this detracts from my point.
@@gulpinmackerel1429 sniper, deadringer spy, beggars/black box soldier, natasha heavy, wrangler engie, vacci medic, skullcutter demo w/random crits/demoman on dustbowl, critz/bonk scout:
When you mess up Phlog Cancelling: "Why am i so bad at everything i do!?"
When it works: "I AM A GOD!!!"
Taunt canceling phlog pyro talking to a regular phlog pyro:oh your a villain just not a super villain
The next 3 months on Uncletopia will be just 3 pyros on each team trying to do this over and over lmao
I don't think this will change too terribly much, phlog cancelling has been around for ages, and people have had plenty of time to practice the art in mvm. I feel like we would have seen people doing it more by now. Fingers crossed I suppose.
Never thought I would watch a 20 minute video on depth and skill concerning the phlogistinator
if i had a nickel for every time a tf2ber came up with an excuse to use the phlog exclusively, i’d have 2 nickels. which isn’t much, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Stolen comment :(
Another tf2tuber did it. Elmaxo, and Unusual Sandvich
@@RyutaaKuzunoha how about i steal your home address how about that
3 now, maxo, *pyro main with a delta rune PFP I forgot the name of*, and this guy
@@Claire25252 said it myself. UnusualSandvich is the guy
Booted up casual to give it a try, and managed it three times! What an exhilarating rush! Thank you for showcasing this tech!
New Lister video, i am enthralled to be educated and entertained for the next 21 minutes. your videos have amazing pacing and always are interesting, good work!
12:58 "you give them time to move out of the way"
* soldier moves into the cliff *
hi, aspiring pyro main here: lister, I know you probably won't see this, but your multiple pyro videos like this and the dragons fury video have been quite interesting, and studying them along with practice is making me better each day. i appreciate the content and it helps a lot, so thank you
i read every comment, and youre welcome :)
@@listertf2 thank you so much, and your content no matter what it is, is quite enjoyable. cant wait to see you hit 1mil!
"When's the next Evolution of?"
"I HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT PHLOG CANCEL FOR THE PAST 2 MONTHS"
This makes pyro the only other class that is able to deploy invulnerability
He’s the only class that can do it on his own too
Scout too with the bonk
@@CelestineGup I mean the one that makes you shiny, that you can still hurt people with,
plus pyro can also deploy other "invulnerabilities"
no damage taken because Uber
no knockback because Quickfix
crits because Kritzkreig
medic?
@@zynopkmedic is obviously the other class. Reread.
19:37 my man CaptainAstro27 unwittingly saving his team AND the game by remembering that he has a gun, and that it can random crit
I'm genuinely surprised that I've never seen a phlog cancel in an actual match before, I've seen it in a few MVM videos before I think but besides that this is the first time I've seen it be used on real people lmao
I hope this does actually make people do this more because I just kinda want to see it happen more often, it seems like one of the coolest techniques in tf2 in my opinion
I cannot stress this enough
I do _not_ want to see this happen more often
I'm going to phlog cancel on you one of these days :troll:
As a big enthusiast of the phlog, it's a huge delight seeing this tech gaining coverage.
Nobody takes the phlog seriously until someone really puts it to use. Awesome video.
No wonder you call yourself sinful, Holy shit
Username checks out.
damn bro, I didnt know the devil had a youtube account
the incredible part is the 2 seconds is perfect for eliminating anyone in mid-range where they can out-damage you
12:55, "They can shoot you out of the the air or move out of the way."
*Direct hit* *Falls to their death*
This is a deeply cool strategy, but I don't think you'll see most pyros running it or that pyro is suddenly going to start dominating pubs. Not only because it requires a ton of practice, but because, like any strategy that relies on surprise, it shouldn't work more than once or twice. A team with any sense will be watching for flying pyros after the first phlog cancel, much like with trolldiers. Still, this absolutely exudes style and could be a game winning trick if the enemy doesn't see it coming.
yeah but the enemy team is by at that time pretty much dead when you pull up a phlog cancel
Spy relies on surprise and by your logic wouldn't work...
Because to counter the surprise requires standing still for 2 seconds and having eyes on your head as any ledge can be a Phlog cancel ledge. Pyros are normally relatively close to their team so stand still for 2 seconds.
The Pyro gets a Phlog Cancel of 1 second and killed you.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 Their logic is correct. Spy doesn't work. He's almost universally considered the weakest class in the game.
this is a lot more informative than i expected, even giving info and mechanics that'll help outside of phlog cancelling
Great, now I gotta worry about pyros flying through the air, landing on my head, and burning me and half my team alive with crits WHILE being invulnerable to damage and knockback for at least a couple weeks. Thanks lister! XD
Amazing timing on this video ... I literally did this yesterday and I was super confused as to why I had uber and melted everyone. Now I know!
Great video, thanks! I'm not gonna be an even worse phlogger now
I swear no matter how many hours I have on tf2 there's always some random mechanic I'll learn about.
landing on heavy and obliterating him out is like a dishonored silent takedown but with a flame thrower
Y'know I always wondered how to do that, thank you, now I shall being my 1,000 year reign of terror!
20:19 Madman rocket jumped the soldier's rocket then phlog canceled on his head! Absolutely cracked
"That is not Phloggers"
I feel that this entire video was made just to make that joke.
You can also get a poor man's phlog cancel:
Phlog Uber while having a medibeam attached+explosion/knockback
This is like the equivalent to Market Gardener for Pyro except it is deadly as hell because it can mow down and entire team.
This looks like fun >8) nice showcase of some forbidden tech, enjoyed watching the carnage
This really puts in a lot more skill when using the phlog effectively
this is one of those videos that are so well made that valve will have no choice but to patch this
I shall use this information maliciously.
1:14 that’s one of the coolest clips I’ve ever damn seen
Phlog Cancelling is also really useful for MvM Pyro especially on Giants and Tanks
Yeah...you're going to hell for this one.
Your the first pyro I've seen do this and that was insane with the pholg canceling you did on my dispenser 7:25
>This is a Phlog
>Dear God !
>There's More
>No !
15:58 how nice of that heavy lol
He threw a bait
I just thought about when your video are going to come today with excitement when I just came back to watch your old videos about the history about some of TF2 classes updates
You just surprised me with this upload and pretty beneficial information about the phlog cancel mechanic
this is just a video about a glitch, phlog cancelling and its 21 minutes
huge respect
I always loved doing this. I imagine it like one of those scenes in cartoons where a bug lands on someone's head and they have to try and stand perfectly still for their friend to try and swat it, but they just end up hitting them instead.
haha nice
He has stopped using phlog for good; He does it now for evil.
I feel like Valve will patch this out if it goes mainstream
It’s been popular for a long time, the one tf2 dev who still cares at least a little bit won’t do anything about it. They’d have to completely rework the pyro primary taunt or make a new one for phlog and that’s just too much for such a niche bug
19:10 power i need, and yes you doomed us all, im trying that as soon as i am on my pc
that is propably the most terrifying thing to face in tf2
I was aware of the existence and power of phlog canceling but never tried it myself.
I feel like now it is a great time to give it a shot.
You could say, this video was really phloggers!
As someone that hated the phlog when it was overpowered, (2015 phlog gave full hp, crits and uber longer than the taunt), I'm entirely fine with this and hope it stays in the game.
dude just turned a MvM Pyro strat into TF2 Tech, thats crazy
Accidentally cancelled a pyro yesterday - for a few short seconds I created the worst beast known to man
i've been trying to find a vid about phlog cancelling, and this, this is perfect.
"you need to land onto the tops of the mercs to phlog cancel"
that one mantred user: my time has come
An interesting tactic
Counterargument: I a musing the Brass Beast and, therefore, do not move.
This is just pyro’s market gardener
If elmaxo knew this
It would be the chefs kiss of the 10000 kills video
Finally, a pyro mechanic that requires skill.
Watching the Caber demon mains slowly transform into Phlog Jumper mains
phlog cancelling is a known tactic for most players before now, so this video wont change that, but its sitll a good video on it
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand The Phlog. The weapon is extremely situational, and without a solid grasp of the scorch shot most of the players will die without a single kill. There's also the phlog being called a "crutch weapon" which is deftly woven into his ablities being superior than any of other weapons- its design draws heavily from Greg Broadmore illustrations, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of this weapon, to realise that its not just a good weapon- its says something about tf2's core design. As a consequence people who dislike The Phlog ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humor in Pyro's existential catchphrase "Mmph mmmph," which itself is a cryptic reference to Daniel Kahneman's Award winning novel Thinking, Fast and Slow. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Gabe Newell genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂
at first i thought this was serious but soon i realized that you are insane and somehow can speak pyro language
I love this lmao
Thanks for putting out another video before the end of year!
Personally in think this bug should stay as a playstyle
Just nerf the scortchshot
"Mom i cant go eat, lister uploaded a video about a game i dont touch!"
Another important note, you can still airstrafe if you hold only W. When you hold W and aim while moving horizontally in the air, you will orbit around the thing you're aiming at. But only if you aren't turning too fast, because it's a lot like A and D airstrafing when it comes to how sharp your turn can be.
Get this man a strange phlog.
This is so evil, even Lucifer didn't want his soul being sold to him
we reached a point in tf2 where even phog recuires skill
This will help me so much with my phlog contract thank you!
If you can manage to get enough kills without dying, then pull this move off you've earned the right to be the God of fire for 2 seconds. It's just so hard to pull off that if you do this then it's skill and luck, not an exploit.
It's more of a cursed secret feature, both for the pyro trying it and the other team.
3:43 never thought i'd see my name in a video about phlog canceling lol
skill-based plus really fun, plus very limited, very good
I respect your dedication to developing this playstyle, even if it's unpopular and bound to get fixed "eventually". If I still played tf2 I'd be grinding this shit after watching. Nice vid
so the days when phlog was seen as a noob weapon have passed?
stairs trickstabbing has reached another level (and class)
please dont let this become common
This man just opened pandora's box and doesn't even know it
Finally a high skill ceiling option for Phlog and not just "Scorch Shot, almighty bringer of incineration"
1:35 war criminals be like
as a real Mann would once say:
*"phloggers"*
This video made me physically ill
I remember being so excited the first time I pulled this off, but then the first enemy I faced was a soldier with a deployed battalion's backup so it didn't even do extra damage lol. I still made a video of it, but man that was bad luck!
Pyro subclass:
Mini nuke
God may forgive phlog pyros for their sins, but I most certainly won't.
Man the last music hits hard
The lunar clock really hit that luna dial, doesn't it
Skill? In MY phlog?
"You're Like Hitler But Even Hitler Cared About Germany or Something"
market gardening with a flamethrower
Instant sub you’re doing gods work