Secret to Airgun Accuracy = Pellet Sorting
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2022
- Airguns are getting more and more refined, with better barrels, better valving, better regulators, better scopes, etc. What the professional shooter's know is that the best pellets are still far from perfect. In this Airgun Bootcamp, we step you through the process on how to sort your pellets to ensure the best results!
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Great explanation!!!
Getting the most out of your ammo, it's helps in many shooting sports.
I measure rim thickness on my 22 WMR but don't weight, I will have to get a new scale for my pellet gun and arrows !!!
Instead why don't we all insist JSB Company to manufacture perfectly and accurately as 18.13, when they said 18.13 it should be 18.13 instead of making our workload by those weighing those pellets
You can buy selected ammo like that.
100 pellets cost 10 times the price.
No doubt
1 grain = 0.0648 oz = 6.48 /100 - 0.00014 pounds = 1.429 /10,000 - old rule of thumb in metalworking - for every decimal place (10) more accuracy you want increase price by the same 10 - +/- 0.01 vs 0.001 or 0.0001 - I worked in the +/- 0.0005 range.
Consider a .7 / .8 grain (high low) difference (.15) in a 18.13 nominal pellet when shooting with the wind coming from the side at distances of 150 feet
I'm new to this sport. Your video was a tremendous help. Thank you!
How did I manage to do this stuff before UA-cam?
I was (am) surprised at the variation in weight between individual pellets, umm i guess I'll be weighting my pellets from now on. And you're using quality pellets as well...😊thanks 👍
Never thought about this thanks for the information
today I managed to give the first like excellent videos like guaranteed always wishing much more success
I need to see the group with outliers and see how much the group size difference.that will determine if it was worth all that hassle
It would be nice to put in the show more the scale information. I did like the information you put out.
Super video. Thanks so much for putting this together. I had no idea it would make so much difference. I've only just started sizing due to the number of flyers I've had. Was sure the main problem was 'in the chair' but thankfully not. Well not all of it anyway ;-)
Cant believe how much variation there is, i have the Hades 15.89’s and if i do by 5’s i will have 8 piles .. crazy. I did 10’s them split them up. Ended up with 3 piles by 20’s. Lowest 15.75 highest 16.25.. 2 were at 16.35.
Maybe 10 in the lot of 250 were at 15.89-15.90.
i have a reasonable question,and looking forward to a answer.How many tins of unsorted pellets do you generally have to go through to get yure desired amount for competition.and how many tins do yu use in order to do that
It opens my horizon, thank
If you think sorting pellets is a bit hard or anal, I know powder shooters who reload their own ammo and every case must be sized exactly the same, length, neck and primer pocket, then every primer seated the same depth, every bullet weighed and sized, every grain of powder match exactly on every load, finally upon assembly each bullet seated and necked to same depth. These are competition shooters shooting for the X and the 10 is a miss.... Sorting pellets? Easy. and if you're serious about competition shooting, definitely a must do. This is why competition air gun pellets are so expensive, someone has done all this work for you, and no one works for free. Great video..
That sounds anal..just buy a bunch of ammo from the gun shop..youll be shooting all day at the range while they're home counting grains of powder
Great point!
As a guy who enjoys long range shooting this is absolutely correct. Case weight, case dimensions, bullet dimensions, bullet weight, neck tension, bullet setback, powder charge, powder lot number, primer selection, and primer lot number. Then we account for wind, spin drift, temperature, humidity, altitude, and shot angle.
The tighter your tolerances the smaller your groups.
@@nicholasemricson1427 I used to do BPCR silhouette, off hand, @100, 200, 300 and 400 yds, not shooting for an X exactly, getting a hit was hard enough 😁. Same reloading principles applied though. I had to give it up, got a muscle problem in the rotator cuff and I could hold the gun up and keep it steady and I don't like bench resting, just not the same sense of accomplishment, for me it was like playing18 hole golf then having to play the putt putt. Still keep my hand in with some air rifles and pistols, I use springers so that's a challenge right there, guess I'm some kind of masochistic shooter who can't live without recoil. 😁
crazy price on the sorting tool!
Great video Thanks. The sizers are quite difficult to find and am I correct that we want to measure head size and not skirt size?
The pellet gauge is meant to measure head size , i have a sizer for skirts also that i also use.
Hi sir have you try different pellet lenght but same weight?
Does it change the POI? Thank you for your answer
Muy buen video como siempre saludos 👍👍👏👏🇦🇷
How important is skirt size to an air rifle accuracy, especially to a. spring piston rifle.
What i want to know when you sort for both things.
1: Are the heaviest of your assorted groups ( by weight ) then also the ones that have the large head sizes, or can you still have a "heavy" pellet with a moderate maybe even small head size ?
2: i have seen somewhere mentioned that if you are going to sort, just sort for head size.
3: i really really wish someone would make a motorized sorting machine, which i think could be done based on say a rasberry pi computer
How about buying a tin that’s already sorted?
@@jamesmitchell2241 well they all are at the factory, but it is not done that well, in general you have no problem getting 3- 4 groups of weight / head size out of a tin.
@@peashooter950 Got it!! Thanks
This can be done fairly quickly using this technique:
25.39 JSB can be rounded to 25.40 for simplicity
Overweight + 0.12 gn -> 25.90, 25.60, 25.55, 25.52, etc
To Weight +/- 0.10 gn -> 25.50, 25.45, 25.40, 25.35, 25.29 etc
Underweight - 0.12 gn -> 25.28, 25.25, 25.20, 25.15, 25.10, 25.00 etc
If you have too many groups you're going to take forever and you may step into the law of diminishing returns
if you find your gun likes a particular group you can narrow down more. But if it likes the "to weight" general class shoot away
Top demais parabéns
Do you have any information available about the scale you are using, there to many on Amazon, thanks in advance for your answer
How to adjust the regulator from 165 bar to 150 bar daystate wolverine r hp 5.5
Hello may i ask what brand name that scale is please
there is a barrel,its accuracy will get down after each 10 shooting,then it need to clean to recover accuracy.should throw away it?
If the barrel is choked, then just sort for weight only, am I thinking correctly?
The head size wouldn’t matter if all the pellets end up squished down to the same size by the time they exit the barrel.
Lol the squash is the issue
Thanks man
I’m thinking this video is geared to the competition shooters out there.
does anyone know where i can sell my air guns and or buy airguns in arizona? my posts keep getting deleted on offer up and face book classifieds
How about those pellet tins
New to the sport but was frustrated with 4" groups at 25 yards with my Gamo break barrel Maxxim 10X and Hawke scope. After weighing pellets and separating in 0.2 grain increments from my tins (both Crossman hollow point and Gamo Hunter) my groups were within 1.5 inches consistently. Sorting by weight is a very boring job but has raised my enthusiasm for this sport. Resorting for head diameter is well beyond my attention level:-) Thanks for the video. It has changed my enthusiasm greatly. What's the next level?Any advise?
Save up for a PCP Air rifle. Your accuracy will pale in comparison to a break barrel. And you don't necessarily have to go out and buy an FX Impact that runs over $2,000, But you can get stellar accuracy with something that's a fraction of the cost (i.e.) (Benjamin Marauder, Umarex Gauntlet 2, Hatsan Carnivore, AEA, AirForce, JTS)
@@OregonAirgunner Thanks Jacob. I will look into these brands. I'm not a big fan of all the extra Air equipment needed to support a PCP. This is a great sport however so will get to PCP someday.
@@vikingwind25 I went with a 4 stage Pump, I bought a high-end one costing me around $200. But the technology is so prevalent now that you can find a decent one for close to $50 and your all set to go on filling up your PCP air rifle.
Have you had any issues with your gamo maxxim I'm looking into getting one but haven't had any good reviews on it how much would you say you've used it and are there any accuracy issues after a period of time? Thanks if you reply
@@amazingjoe3635 I have put about 1000 round through it so far and no accuracy issues. The first few rounds of the day fr some reason fall low-left by 1 at 25 yrds. Comes in after that to about 3/4" groups. It depends on what you are using this for. the Maxxim is about 15 FPE of energy. not the best varment gun. The Whisper (about 24 FPE) would offer more power. Target shooting works well however. The Hawke scope is great and I use the Gamo solid scope mount. The Maxxim is easy to cock and won't waste your arm after a day of shooting. the 10 round Mag is also nice. Good luck.
That is the first time that i saw it... because when you buy a box with 500...or 400....or maybe 300... pellets...you are sure that all these pellets are correct and the same from all the sides...even in the weight...
I'm a field target shooter.
I've been doing this for years.
JSBs are garbage when weighed.
I weighed and sorted 24 tins. (12,000 pellets)
Out of 24 tins I got 450 pellets that weighed the stated box weight of 8.4x grains.
Crossman Accupel are exponentially better.
Good to know
A customised pellet swager will give you a next level precision.
Ser my problem no avialable in cebu iam hunter...ty
I wished everything would not be so hard/expensive to get in canada :(
Nice pellet gauge!
It's expensive everywhere , same here in the EU .
@@rohypnotist6263 the airgun community seems to be bigger and stuff easier to find but I got to admit the price is sometimes (lets not say often) worst in europe/uk 😅
@@LowkeyAirgunner I live in Belgium and air gunning isn't that big here yet .Many people own break barrels for pest control but you don't see many air gunners at the range .I started 3 months ago because ammo was getting too expensive for my wallet and I wanted to keep shooting .Got rid of some burners and bought an FX Impact in 5.5mm . I love it .Have a good one
The most critical thing not mentioned... your Scales should be accurate (read "expensive"). Do not expect to get correct weight from cheap (less than ~$100) scales, especially if we're looking for 5gn difference.
Whether or not to wash and lubricate the pellets?
definitly wash _before_ weighing and sorting. gets rid of the crud left over from the manufacturing process that can skew the wieght of the pels
@@danhouse7565 Thank you. As occupational therapy I will test that to see if it makes any significant differences. Maybe I'll also try a pellet pusher. I only buy Jsb, H&N Fx, Air arm pellets and most of the time I can't see much deformed. Besides, I'm someone who never shoots from a table. Don't see the fun of shooting hole after hole.
Hello,Im Hans from Germany,I watch your VD. Where can I buy the Plastik Schaplone/template for. 177/.22.Greetings Hans.
Link to the pellet head gage, please?????
www.airgunsofarizona.com/mags-clips-loaders-holders/pelletgage-precicion-pellet-sorting-tool/
Good👍
Crossman. Surprised me. I thought they were. Junk. But. Yhey are. Pretty. Good
The pellets should come from the factory with the quality control done ! Pay more for target pellets and less for a lower grade
Quality control is done for general use pellets, casual shooting, plinking etc. and for the most part they suit the purpose. Pellets are churned out in hundreds of thousands on swaging machines that compress lead to the required shape, size and weight and like any mass producing process there will be variances, not big ones, but variances none the less. To get some perspective, an 8 grain pellet weighs 0.51grams, an 8.20 weighs 0.53grams an 8.4 grain 0.54grams, a difference measured in 0.02 and 0.03 grams or about the weight of a grain of rice. Those are pretty minimal differences. Is your air rifle of a quality that can tell the difference as in, does it have something like a Lothar Walther match barrel? Do you target shoot where putting one shot on top of the other is necessary to win? If so then there are the appropriate air guns to do the job but be prepared to dig in your wallet not just for the equipment but the pellets too. Pre sorted and sized pellets are available but cost over three times the price of your off the shelf tins, and why are they more expensive? Because someone else at the factory has done all the legwork for you and hand sorted, weighed, measured and packaged them, takes time and time is money. So when you talk "quality control", it is there as the differences in weight are in fact very minimal. All the competition powder burner shooters I know make their own bullets and reloads as they don't trust the consistency of factory ammo where .05 grains of powder may make the difference between a 10 and a 10X ..... Do I want to pay three times the price for a tin of pellets just for some casual shooting which for the most part applies to the majority of air gunners? No I do not, quite satisfied thank you with what comes in the can, just have to find what brand and weight of pellet my air gun prefers and if I feel the need, do some sorting for HFT just to be able to say it's not the pellet, it's me that sucks....😁
hello sir how are you have a nice day always I'm one of your followers on you tube I come from Indonesia I really want to have an air rifle but I don't have the funds to buy it would you give me a broken air rifle? there are so many pests here that it worries the farmers I hope the kind lord helps us here Thank you
no eentiendo el ingles, subtitular al español
pop them back on them Amazonian scales bro and let the fun begin
wao
A psychological advantage only
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I'm way too lazy for this! :D
WOW thats really time consuming for compitition i would say back yards guys see no reason makes me think why pellets are almost 20 a tin
Ummm 🤔 am I the only one who thinks $50 for a flat sheet of metal with holes is a bit absurd? BTW, you need one for each caliber. I was thinking it’d cost around $20.
Chinese scales are probably off in calibration.
Really sad we have to resort to this. Why can't JSB make better pellets? Their inconsistencies and quality have really gone downhill.
Dude that's alot of crap to go thru..I can see doing it if you're a competitive shooter. Otherwise it's a big waste of time.
If you do it manual,,,,,, then big YES.
If someone could automate it, and the machine not costing a bunch, i think i would get such a thing and have it running on my kitchen table sorting all my pellets.
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Que vergüenza por tu parte que copies contenido. Y no aeas capaz de mencionar a quien se lo copias
He specifically states about 15 times in the video .."IF YOURE COMPETETIVE SHOOTING " never once mentions applying this to a hunting situation ...why comment about it being a waste for hunting when the video is about accuracy for comp shooting .smh.....
You should call your channel "AirGrainsofArizona"... very important to have feet measuring the inches that the yards couldn't!