Amazing how different things can be between exact same pellets. But the best head size really makes a difference when it comes to competition. Excellent video. God bless you.
I struggled and hated my RedWolf HP for the last year and a half, I tried everything under the sun twice and was all but through with it till my friend accidentally bought some HN barracuda matches in the 217 size and he hated them, It was literally the only thing I hadn't tried and they shot the best groups I had seen to date. Tried the knockouts in 217 and lights out! What a relief, and struggle to finally find 2 unicorns in the same week.
I am surprised by the different groupings from two HW100's, just goes to show the importance of trying out different brands types and head sizes of pellet. Waiting to see how the JSB's fare.
When I shoot competition I size each pellet with a Pellgauge Weigh each pellet Wash and lube them first You will be surprised at the difference you wii discover Hunting is a different story I appreciate your work keep it up THANKS TOM
Absolutely. I gauged several tins of what was to be 4.51 and only found 3 pellets at that measurement. All the rest were 4.53. Also different weights will show different speeds.
I use 7.9 grain Crossman premier/Webley Accupels. With my Daystate CRX and Daystate 2000... Never cleaned them 5 - 6 mm groups all day. I have a Steyr LG110FT with a stainless steel barrel... It groups with everything but, it has to be cleaned every time I shoot. If I shoot 500 to 1000 pellets without cleaning at 25 yards it will do 75mm groups. If I shoot a clean barrel it does 5mm groups
Nice shooting gert.....I am positive I commented before.....just shared a link to my 39 yard group I shot with my crown.....maybe my comment got tagged as spam...hehhebe.....just wanted ure comments on it.... Keep it up gert....u rock...
I have never ever cleaned any of my airgun barrels. And I have never experienced any deviation in accuracy with any. Indeed my Hw100 is around 18 years old and it is without any shadow of a doubt my most accurate rifle.
The HW100 is a super gun, I own 3 of them and I don't clean their barrels either. However my ex Steyr had to be cleanbed every 200 shots to prevent POI shift. All depends on the agressiveness of the rifling inside.
@@simonzero3815 Same deal with my Daystate CRX and Daystate 2000... Never cleaned them I have a Steyr LG110FT with a stainless steel barrel... That thing has to be cleaned every time I shoot. If I shoot 500 to 1000 pellets without cleaning at 25 yards it will do 75mm groups. If I shoot a clean barrel it does 5mm groups
Interesting that we could see a trend of the heavier match pellet getting better results here in a slimer profile of 4.5mm and the lighter FTTs got better results with the 4.52mm. Based on this limited test, there may be some suggestion the lighter pellets benefits from more contact with the rifling? (If that's how it works)
There are so many variables, in my latest reults I saw that the Head of the pellet is much more important than the skirt. WIth "off" Shaped heads the likelihood of good groupings will demenise, irrespective head size. The head size does influence the stabilizasion of the pellet. Most pellets have varying head sizes , even out the same tin. I don't have a pellet sizer to do that experiement, but will get one soon. Thanks for the heads up.
Unless you are wieghing and sizing the pellets with a reputable sizer and 100th unit wieghing scale its just a guess as to what comes out the tin if your mag loading aswell makes a big difference single shot loaders are the way to go n eye ball every pellet b4 you load 👍👍
I do understand all of that, but how many shooters have all this equipment? Why must a shooter be held liable to check, size and measure a product that they pay for, isn't it false advertsining then from the manufacturer? I am posting my videos from a normal shooters position, the guy in the street that doesn't have all the equipment and expects to get what he pays for.
Spot on, most shooters will go straight from the tin. Your tests simulate what we might typically see to give us food for thought. More serious competition shooters may size and weigh their pellets, but such attention to detail while necessary at senior competition means they will do their own detailed research anyway. Great vid.
Are 4,53 and 4,52 the diameters of the head or the skirt of the pellet? None of mine pellets have the head in the size on the tin. All heads are 0,05-0.1 mm smaller than the skirt
Yeah I am the first comment just at 5 mins from uploaded let me see the full vid then I will right more about this video Edit:this vid was so helpful for me as I am a 177 cal pellets shooter
try to measure the headdiameter if it is what`s printed on the box ,i found sometimes it`s not so , same with weight if a gun has a choke try the pellet in the muzzle ,see how it fits ,the choke can make a big difference ,the way it likes against the smaller head diameter what you expect to be less accurat. a proper headdiameter is most important in a barrel without a choke
The head sizes differ in each tin, my measuring equipment can't measure that small a difference. Even the manufacturer can't guarantee exact head sizes as the wire they use for the pellet isn't 100% even in size. So yes the head sizes will differ, after doing all these tests I have to come to a very weird conclusion... ignore head size and look for a batch that suits your gun and then stock up on that batch number.
@@AimSmall yes the only thing thats can be done is showing guns and airgun ammo ,because ervery gun is different and box of pellets too. no certain advice , but there are kaliber checkers on the market ,plates with different holes ,where a pellet can be checked .the leadwire is not the endproduct dimension ,but the they want a leadwire that gives the least waste and workforce
@@AimSmall Regards to the "very weird conclusion....." It's a conclusion those of us in the UK who shoot FT and HFT came to years ago. You can have say 10 different batches of 4.52 JSB exacts (for instance) and they can give very different results, some will be same or near enough but some can be a stand out for being very accurate or even very inaccurate, dispite being "the same" pellet. What people found was pellet batches would not only have varied head sizes based on batches (and not always any where near what it's supposed to be, and variance between pellet to pellet from the same tin would vary alot), but visually they could be notably different dispite being the same pellet (ie JSB exacts) but again they would be consistent with there batch number. Which is why it's recommended to ignore head size entirely and just find a batch your gun likes and buy as many as you can.
@@lankymk Again 100% correct, head size doesn't matter, that is what I was aiming to demonstrate with the series of videos. It is all about the batch number, if you fins a batch that is good for your gun - buy it all.
@@carnivalassorted2486 That is weird, if the head size ia the same but lenght differs there can only be 2 explanations. 1. The skirt must be much thinner or 2. Different types of lead was used. EIther way a small POI should be seen.
@@AimSmall i also dont know the answer but i tried it at 25m it is still same hole i dont know if you get 50y up if there will be a flyer or what not.. ive seen your videos.. trying out almost all kinds of pellet you can get your hands on and im thinking maybe you encounter this kind of pellet 😁😁 Head 5.5 Skirt 5.6 or 5.7 Length 7.6 or 7.7 Weight 18.22 to be exact😁
Another thing have you tried reducing the pellet weight? Example: 18.1gn standard from tins Now you have 18.3 or more reduce the weight by removing lead inside the skirt.. To 18.1 will it have same accuracy? Can you try it for your content🥰🥰
Yes, it does, certain guns like a broader skirt and others a softer thinner skirt. I always buy a couple of different batches of pellets and check which one shoot best out of my gun.
Some of these pellet will not hit a cow at 50m... they aren't build for that distance acoridng to the manufacturer. SO I am not going to do a 50m test soon.
Amazing how different things can be between exact same pellets. But the best head size really makes a difference when it comes to competition.
Excellent video.
God bless you.
I struggled and hated my RedWolf HP for the last year and a half, I tried everything under the sun twice and was all but through with it till my friend accidentally bought some HN barracuda matches in the 217 size and he hated them, It was literally the only thing I hadn't tried and they shot the best groups I had seen to date. Tried the knockouts in 217 and lights out! What a relief, and struggle to finally find 2 unicorns in the same week.
Well I would say that the headsize is more important than the lenght of the shaft.... 🙄😁. Interesting video as usual!
I am surprised by the different groupings from two HW100's, just goes to show the importance of trying out different brands types and head sizes of pellet. Waiting to see how the JSB's fare.
Great job. One of the best that I have seen.
Excellent! To find the best pellet is bliss :-)
Really enjoying your videos pal the more I watch the I think damm he's covering most of my thoughts and questions
When I shoot competition
I size each pellet with a Pellgauge
Weigh each pellet
Wash and lube them first
You will be surprised at the difference you wii discover
Hunting is a different story
I appreciate your work keep it up THANKS TOM
That is a lot of work, but worth it, I don't have a head sizer...
Thanks for the come back
As you said it’s only worth it for competition and CURIOSITY THANKS TOM
Most times 4.52 turn out to be 4.51 and vice versa. You better measure and weigh them else it's a fun plinking.
Absolutely. I gauged several tins of what was to be 4.51 and only found 3 pellets at that measurement. All the rest were 4.53. Also different weights will show different speeds.
I use 7.9 grain Crossman premier/Webley Accupels.
With my Daystate CRX and Daystate 2000... Never cleaned them 5 - 6 mm groups all day.
I have a Steyr LG110FT with a stainless steel barrel... It groups with everything but, it has to be cleaned every time I shoot.
If I shoot 500 to 1000 pellets without cleaning at 25 yards it will do 75mm groups. If I shoot a clean barrel it does 5mm groups
Very informative. Thank you very much for your effort. Excellent presentation.
Very useful video Gert, thank you, 👍
Late to the game but my HW97 loved 4.51 but was ok with 4.50 or 4.52 jsb. At 25 yards one hole.
Nice shooting gert.....I am positive I commented before.....just shared a link to my 39 yard group I shot with my crown.....maybe my comment got tagged as spam...hehhebe.....just wanted ure comments on it....
Keep it up gert....u rock...
I have never ever cleaned any of my airgun barrels. And I have never experienced any deviation in accuracy with any. Indeed my Hw100 is around 18 years old and it is without any shadow of a doubt my most accurate rifle.
The HW100 is a super gun, I own 3 of them and I don't clean their barrels either. However my ex Steyr had to be cleanbed every 200 shots to prevent POI shift. All depends on the agressiveness of the rifling inside.
@@AimSmall love the presentation you give and the dedication you show to content. Excellent.
@@simonzero3815 Same deal with my Daystate CRX and Daystate 2000... Never cleaned them
I have a Steyr LG110FT with a stainless steel barrel... That thing has to be cleaned every time I shoot.
If I shoot 500 to 1000 pellets without cleaning at 25 yards it will do 75mm groups. If I shoot a clean barrel it does 5mm groups
Interesting that we could see a trend of the heavier match pellet getting better results here in a slimer profile of 4.5mm and the lighter FTTs got better results with the 4.52mm. Based on this limited test, there may be some suggestion the lighter pellets benefits from more contact with the rifling? (If that's how it works)
There are so many variables, in my latest reults I saw that the Head of the pellet is much more important than the skirt. WIth "off" Shaped heads the likelihood of good groupings will demenise, irrespective head size. The head size does influence the stabilizasion of the pellet. Most pellets have varying head sizes , even out the same tin. I don't have a pellet sizer to do that experiement, but will get one soon. Thanks for the heads up.
Good stuff
Great video 👍
Thanks for sharing
Unless you are wieghing and sizing the pellets with a reputable sizer and 100th unit wieghing scale its just a guess as to what comes out the tin if your mag loading aswell makes a big difference single shot loaders are the way to go n eye ball every pellet b4 you load 👍👍
I do understand all of that, but how many shooters have all this equipment? Why must a shooter be held liable to check, size and measure a product that they pay for, isn't it false advertsining then from the manufacturer? I am posting my videos from a normal shooters position, the guy in the street that doesn't have all the equipment and expects to get what he pays for.
Spot on, most shooters will go straight from the tin. Your tests simulate what we might typically see to give us food for thought.
More serious competition shooters may size and weigh their pellets, but such attention to detail while necessary at senior competition means they will do their own detailed research anyway.
Great vid.
Thanks for your very informative efforts,are your sub 12 Ftlb guns regulated?
The two HW100's are regulated but the AA HFT500 is unregulated.
Are 4,53 and 4,52 the diameters of the head or the skirt of the pellet? None of mine pellets have the head in the size on the tin. All heads are 0,05-0.1 mm smaller than the skirt
Supposed to be head size, but they are very inconsistent.
hw 2 wants binning it will shoot properly with single loader its doing the same as the one i had and the same as another persons at our range
I upped the speed on it and it is totally new gun.
@@AimSmall couldn't do that with the sub 12 in the UK unfortunately
@@colinstevens6837 Kept it sub12ft.pd, it was shooting 735fps, it is now doing 785fps and a lot more accurate.
Skirt size also matters
Yeah I am the first comment just at 5 mins from uploaded let me see the full vid then I will right more about this video
Edit:this vid was so helpful for me as I am a 177 cal pellets shooter
Thanks for the fast response, I can't edit that fast. lol
@@AimSmall lol
try to measure the headdiameter if it is what`s printed on the box ,i found sometimes it`s not so , same with weight if a gun has a choke try the pellet in the muzzle ,see how it fits ,the choke can make a big difference ,the way it likes against the smaller head diameter what you expect to be less accurat. a proper headdiameter is most important in a barrel without a choke
The head sizes differ in each tin, my measuring equipment can't measure that small a difference. Even the manufacturer can't guarantee exact head sizes as the wire they use for the pellet isn't 100% even in size. So yes the head sizes will differ, after doing all these tests I have to come to a very weird conclusion... ignore head size and look for a batch that suits your gun and then stock up on that batch number.
@@AimSmall yes the only thing thats can be done is showing guns and airgun ammo ,because ervery gun is different and box of pellets too. no certain advice , but there are kaliber checkers on the market ,plates with different holes ,where a pellet can be checked .the leadwire is not the endproduct dimension ,but the they want a leadwire that gives the least waste and workforce
@@AimSmall
Regards to the "very weird conclusion....."
It's a conclusion those of us in the UK who shoot FT and HFT came to years ago.
You can have say 10 different batches of 4.52 JSB exacts (for instance) and they can give very different results, some will be same or near enough but some can be a stand out for being very accurate or even very inaccurate, dispite being "the same" pellet.
What people found was pellet batches would not only have varied head sizes based on batches (and not always any where near what it's supposed to be, and variance between pellet to pellet from the same tin would vary alot), but visually they could be notably different dispite being the same pellet (ie JSB exacts) but again they would be consistent with there batch number.
Which is why it's recommended to ignore head size entirely and just find a batch your gun likes and buy as many as you can.
@@lankymk Again 100% correct, head size doesn't matter, that is what I was aiming to demonstrate with the series of videos. It is all about the batch number, if you fins a batch that is good for your gun - buy it all.
What song do you use at the beginning?
I think it is Pan's Labyrinth from Josh Pan , it is royalty free UA-cam music.
Hi sir have you try different pellet lenght but same weight?
Does it change the POI? Thank you for your answer
DIfferent brands have different lengths. Yes there is a POI shift
@@AimSmall ok thank you sir i have a pellets same brands and weight size. Diameter the only problem is legnth .1mm difference
@@carnivalassorted2486 That is weird, if the head size ia the same but lenght differs there can only be 2 explanations. 1. The skirt must be much thinner or 2. Different types of lead was used. EIther way a small POI should be seen.
@@AimSmall i also dont know the answer but i tried it at 25m it is still same hole i dont know if you get 50y up if there will be a flyer or what not.. ive seen your videos.. trying out almost all kinds of pellet you can get your hands on and im thinking maybe you encounter this kind of pellet 😁😁
Head 5.5
Skirt 5.6 or 5.7
Length 7.6 or 7.7
Weight 18.22 to be exact😁
Another thing have you tried reducing the pellet weight?
Example:
18.1gn standard from tins
Now you have 18.3 or more reduce the weight by removing lead inside the skirt..
To 18.1 will it have same accuracy? Can you try it for your content🥰🥰
Does the skirt size affect the accuracy aswell?
Yes, it does, certain guns like a broader skirt and others a softer thinner skirt. I always buy a couple of different batches of pellets and check which one shoot best out of my gun.
When doing the 50 meter?
Some of these pellet will not hit a cow at 50m... they aren't build for that distance acoridng to the manufacturer. SO I am not going to do a 50m test soon.
50 meter is not 100😂
I think i can hit cat, not cow
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I do a bit of testing myself.head size does make a big difference.the worst 2 i have found are H&N FT,s 4.50..4.51 and Hades 4.51. 4.52..both .177..
Interesting, thanks for the heads up