Yeah...well if you look at Jensaarai1's list if videos, this one seems more at home. His are usually pretty random. But his obscure matches are always the ones I favor of his projects. Anyway, it was fun to do :)
My jaw legit dropped as soon as this popped up on my notifications. I knew that you would one day include Ronhar Kim into your Versus Series, but I didn't know who it would be against. I'm so looking forward to this!
I really like this match up. Never heard of these two before, but I definitely think the comparison was perfect. One was a completely insane sadist, the other was the literal definition of a true Jedi. Very well done!
A grey jedi video hell yeah!. That soothing voice and beautiful editing, just what i needed. Thanks dude *spins blaster pistol, puts feet up on cantina table*
thanks for doing a video on Darth Maleval I had grown curious about him. I think we could do educated guesses on these Jedi/Sith who aren't depicted in light saber duels but take into account what they do have in accomplishments :))
Well, this has been rather enjoyable to watch. Taking a look at these two rarely seen combatants, Jedi and Sith, I feel the urge to agree with you on the verdict. Ronhar Kim is a Jedi in his own right. If you ask me, Darth Maleval's choice of weaponry and technique would've placed him in a mixture of Shii-Cho, Ataru, and Niman. Shii-Cho is geared toward multiple opponents, Ataru could allow the user to employ his whole body as a weapon, and Niman represents a jack-of-all-trades style. If you're fighting Jedi, these methods may prove useful. Another thing you might have left out are each other's sense powers: See how fast Ronhar reacted when he felt the presence of the Maladian assassin behind him? He could detect the soft click of the Senate Guards' rifles mere seconds before the attack. Maleval must've sensed Hondo Karr's intentions to attack him coming, hence his swift responses. However, in his final moments, his blood lust blinded him to the final danger behind him. At least, that's all I could make out of these separate senses. Looking forward to your next vid.
Once again, you continue to surprise Matt. I love the passion you bring to your Versus Series videos and to the lesser-known Expanded Universe characters. Keep up the great work, looking forward to more.
Yeah it's random. I wouldn't have done this one on my own. As it is, I fully recognize that it's tough to call because the characters are so lightly featured. But I liked the story of both characters so that's why I agreed to it.
GreyJedi91 I can definitely see the difficulty in making a vs with characters lightly featured in combat without speculation, but I like delving into the unknown.
nice vid once again bro. I was wondering if you can do either (Darth Malak vs Count Dooku) or (Darth Revan vs Obi wan Kenobi). Thanks and keep up the fantastic work.
I remember leaving a comment on my old account, where I mused about Kim being a K'Kruhk lite (Form V specialist that uses Ataru mainly for evasions), while Maleval is more akin to (I hate to say it again) more akin to Snoke's Praetorian Guards from TLJ. His style is probably a Shii-Cho/Niman personalized hybrid, due to the use of a shock whip instead of dual saber wielding.
I CANNOT emphasize enough how happy I am to finally see a Versus Series matchup featuring Ronhar Kim! Thank you so much for this, and welcome back to doing Versus Series videos. Keep up the FANTASTIC work! 👊✌
Oh My Abeloth, this was a wonderful match and I love that you guys used Ronhar Kim. Within the SW mythos the "average" Jedi is criminally unexplored, it's always the gifted members of the Order that are shown and as a result our perspective on just what should be expected of a Jedi is skewed. Great match, wish I could give it more than a thumbs up. One match suggestion: Beyghor Sahdett & Dass Jennir vs. Aurra Sing.
I'm at the end of the individual character stories section as I comment: So this will be a fight between two guys who died of not quite literal backstabbing?
I certainly wasn't expecting this to appear on my feed! Very nice, indeed. A character that I have been longing to see in a Vs. series episode is Roan Shryne. Perhaps, in the future, he could be featured in the series?
An interesting deviation from the usual Versus Vid, a battle won on principles of character and psychology moreso than raw skill and overarcing force abilities. A most astute observation on your account GreyJedi91.
As much as I hate to admit it, in my very humble opinion as a EU noob (sadly, most of my knowledge comes from Wookieepedia and you magnificent Forcecast folks), Darth Maleval could be compared to one of Snoke's Praetorian Guards from TLJ, the ones with the broad sword that can turn into a whip, to be more specific. Most likely, like many other mid to low rank members of the One Sith, Maleval started off as a Niman combatant, but then veered off into his own personalized style, with the usage of the lightsaber probably more akin to Shii-Cho (given how he uses wide slashes on multiple opponents). While the shock whip was used both for shock value for his enemies and cruel entertainment for himself. As for Kim, from how you describe him, he seems like a K'Khruk lite to me. Peaceful demeanor but ready for action, using a mix of Shien (and maybe Djem So when on the offensive) and Ataru as his personal style, with Ataru being used mostly to evade and much less to physically assault, since unlike K'Khruk, he seems more prone to integrate Force powers. But that’s just my rambling.
+GreyJedi91 Any chance you or the other council members do one of these matchups? Kento Marek or Roan Shryne vs. Dass Jennir Darth Malak vs. Ulic Qel-Droma Zayne Carrick vs. Ferus Olin Xanatos vs. Kueller Cilghal vs. Barris Offee(Legends) Dooku vs. Darth Wryylok III Even Piell(Legends) vs. Rahm Kota Mara Jade vs. Shaak Ti Mara Jade vs. Depa Billaba(Legends) Darth Krayt vs. Exar Kun Bardan Jusik vs. Zekk Aurra Sing(Legends) vs. Asaj Ventress(TCW+DD) Darth Malgus vs. Plo Koon Darth Nihl vs. Darth Maul(Legends) Saba Sebatyne vs. Oppo Rancisis
I can say that I'm not doing ANY of those match ups. But I do have plans to use at least 8 of those characters very soon. Some already have completed scripts.
Pretty sure nobody else on the planet could have pulled this off, but you made it absolutely incredible. Loved the extension of what we've seen of these two into a viable style--I wish we saw more of this across the VS series. What are your thoughts on Aran Leneer VS either Senya Tirell or Sha Koon?
welcome back Greyjedi91 its been a while looking forward to this I think Ronhar could have been a excellent story arc great back story ever thought of using Darth gravid just wondered with his attitude to the use of the dark side. WB again looking forward to more soon
Not enough is known about Gravid to state much about him with certainty, though I do find the concept behind him very interesting. I would have liked a story about him from his or his apprentice's point of view.
Bandele's editing style is starting to influence these other VS channels. First with 3TopicReview, the Jensaarai, now GreyJedi. What do you think Kim's chances of being put on the council were?
Interesting question. On the merits of his own abilities and conduct? He'd probably be a good candidate in their eyes for either a short or long-term member. I doubt it would have mattered one way or the other to him to be honest. He seemed quite grounded and humble and had a realistic view of his status. He called himself merely average and adequate on separate occasions. That said...I tend to think that power and skill aren't necessarily the best reasons for one to be on the Council. I will say that had he kept his mouth shut and lived up to the events of Revenge of the Sith, Kim might have been seen by the remaining masters as a possible means of spying on or manipulating Palpatine given their friendship. Unlike Anakin, Kim probably wouldn't have had a problem with this. So they might appointed him for that reason too.
Ok due to the information provided in the lore I’m of the personal opinion that Darth Maleval was a shi cho specialist due to his deranged nature and the style being noted as having psychological impact on the user and his position as a military commander
This is really nitpicky and has nothing to do with your video, but one of my few issues with the Bloodlines comic is that Palpatine has gray hair when he meets Ronhar during the funeral. In the Plagueis novel when Palpatine works his way up to Pax Teem, Luceno depicts him as having red-ish hair (though if this is from blood or the glow of the lightsaber, I do not remember), and that are events that happen after, albeit shortly, his meeting with Ronhar. Even in TPM, you can see Palpatine having some color in his hair, wich should especially be visible when he arrives at Naboo to congratulate Obi Wan, Anakin and Padme. Again, extremely nitpicky, but its something I'm a little bothered by. Awesome video as always. EDIT: Grammar.
GeneralErlend you have a point about the film showing a tinge of color to his hair. that said I won't fault it for failing to fall in line with Luceno's work since the comic came much much earlier
I agree, I considered that when I wrote the comment, but decided to put it in regardless, even if its not fair for the comic. I was a bit skeptical when you and Jensaarai decided to pit these two against each other as they had very little of their talents shown in the comics, but you managed to pull it off anyways. So again, great job on this video.
I'm making a strong effort not to. I do have some matches coming up which feature characters I've used in the past, but for the most part I'm using entirely new characters or extremely lightly used characters for a while. I've got at least 6 projects already in the works.
My guess would be that Kim reoriented his focus from Ataru to Shien in response to his failure to protect his father. It seems a pretty logical character evolution to me, and goes part way to explaining why he was more capable of blast deflection years later when defending Palpatine. Especially when combined with his overall skill improvement in the intervening years. As for Maleval, it's possible, and I think probable, that he relied on the shock whip to overcome his inability to project force lightning. Force lightning, when used capably, does roughly the same job as a shock whip, only much better and with more versatility. With it being such a common ability during that era, it seems to me that the only reason a Sith would use a shock whip was because force lightning was beyond them. I suppose you could argue that it's easier to to learn to duel wield than to learn a whole force ability and how to integrate it in combat, but dual wielding weapons is pretty damn hard, especially when one of them is as unwieldy as a whip.
Filip Guazzelli I like to think of Kim as a sort of reversed K'Kruhk : instead of using Ataru for attack, he used it more for evading or reaching strategic points more easily, relying instead of brute strength, on Force Powers to dispatch his enemies. For Maleval, seeing how many low to mid-tier One Sith members were trained in Niman, the balanced "Diplomat-type" as opposed to Krayt's own much more brutal and randomized approach. Then he used Niman as a way to Jar'Kai, and hence to use the shock whip, only to turn it into his own personal style based more around fear tactics and unconventional weapon. Probably had skills in Shii-Cho, seeing how he cut down multiple Stormtroopers.
Once more the Sith will rule the ga- uhm.. i mean once more you made a great vs video and i learned something new about the EU, so thank you! You are one reason for that the EU will never die! (im from german and I hope i this sentence makes any sense xD)
Also...could we please please PLEASE get a Dooku and Sifo-Dyas novel, feat. Qui-Gon and some other great characters? Perhaps bring back James Luceno?? What would you (Matt) have thought about that being written?
Can you do Shared hett vs Gnost dural. of maybe Vodo siosk baas vs Sora bulq. I would be honored if you do one of these but I am not expecting you to even see this.
He's back...could i be any more happy. Imagine i just searched your name and found out i had been unsubbed. Defo subscribed now and look forward to your new stuff man
I can't really agree with your verdict on physicality, tools and weaponry. If it was indeed advantageous to have more than one weapon, why is it so rarely seen? Now, there are of course instances, where that makes sense, like having a blaster and a sword, for ranged combat and melee respectively. But two melee weapons? In your verdict, you simply add the benefits of the shock whip to the benefits of the sword, but I do think that using the shock whip at all might already impede Maleval's abilities with the lightsaber. He has to divide his attention, can't use a two-handed grip and if he switches mid-fight, that is again not optimal for his attention. So I don't think a simple additive calculation works here. But anyway, nice to hear from you again :)
I thought it was pretty straightforward really. Maleval's got a lightsaber, armor, and a whip. Lightsaber gives him even footing with the Jedi. The whip gives different options at range. The armor improves his survivability in general. He doesn't need to use the whip. But he prefers to. But if it got in the way he could put it away if he chose to. I gave the edge due to the options he as to draw from and the added protection of the armor. Objectively, he has more options than Ronhar does. That's all. Nowhere do I say two is melee weapons are better than one. Nor will you ever hear me say that. Generally speaking, the equipment segment is the least relevant factor for my final verdict though.
GreyJedi91 Yep, that's very straightforward and in that sense, it would be correct if it were directly applicable in a fight. And I don't think it is. My objection here is solely focusing on the weapons and the idea that having more options is necessarily beneficial: The two melee weapons offer four choices of combinations: no weapon, either the lightsaber or the shock whip, or both at the same time. These are indeed more options than Ronhar's two. But would you say that any single of the ones unique to Maleval is superior to Ronhar's options? If not, then the argument, as I understand it, is that being able to switch between options mid-fight offers benefits. Did interpret that correctly? If so, then I disagree, because switching weaponry doesn't work on-the-fly and your opponent will, in a real fight, always try to use these moments to his/her advantage, as you are temporarily not completely focused, or your hands are busy with sth else. So, "options" might not be to your benefit, but instead to your disadvantage. Especially, if your opponent is someone who is well trained with the weapon he/she is focusing solely on, which is the case here.
While I see your point, I don't think the issue you're raising is guaranteed to come into play. The benefits of the whip as recognized by Battlemasters who live in the star wars universe are as I noted them to be in the video. Thus a benefit of using the whip is that it could potentially confuse, intimidate, off-balance an inexperienced opponent. That's a benefit Maleval *may* have over Ronhar. It's not a certain thing...what *is* certain though is that Ronhar has no answer for it in his own arsenal. I see no reason to discount that as you seem intent to do. What's also certain is that if the whip became a hindrance, Maleval COULD put it away. Now to be fair he wouldn't be likely to because it's his preferred weapon. But he could do so...all he'd have to do is drop it...how hard is it for a Jedi or Sith to do that? I mean, Kas'im, Grand Inquisitor, Darth Maul, countless bounty hunters, Obi-wan, Shaak Ti, Sora Bulq and many many more have used different combinations of multiple weapons and switched between fighting forms and weapon focuses mid-fight without much difficulty at all. I really think you're kind of inferring a limitation that isn't necessarily there. You're also focused on the weapons. I tried to make it clear in the video and the prior comment that the armor was factored into the ruling as well. I just don't understand what you're saying should be the case...that Ronhar's equal or superior? Either way I disagree.
GreyJedi91 Hmm. Yes, in-universe it might not be an issue, because combatants seem to sometimes give each other time to readjust - and my point is that that's precisely what wouldn't happen in a real fight. And as the whip is probably mostly used to off-balance and surprise (i.e. time for readjustment is needed to cope with an opponent using a whip), it's difficult to decide, when this time will be given and when not. That's why I'd opt for realism, to avoid arbitrariness. Yes, I indeed think that only using a lightsaber is effectively superior to using both a lightsaber and a whip, as you're able to deal stronger blows as well as parry strong blows with a two-handed grip. Especially against a Form V user, this is important. The non-lethal offensive options the whip provides don't make up for that, though that is a point you might disagree with. If you do, however, then it's still not as clear-cut as you state in the video and that's really my whole point: two weapons don't just mean more options, because if you actually use them, you might face disadvantages and then you need to evaluate in which direction the scale is tipped. To a lesser extent, the same goes for dual-wielding lightsabers. As they are at least lethal by themselves and can also be used defensively, the evaluation result might be different (-> better). But I would argue that not being able to employ power blows and your blades easily getting in each other's way still necessitates an evaluation. If one or more of your options are inferior to what your opponent does, then having more of them doesn't necessarily help you. That's pretty much what I mean. English is not my mother tongue, so I was struggling a little to appropriately phrase what I wanted to say ;)
GreyJedi91 Btw, for my argument, I viewed the lightsaber as an appropriate response in Ronhar's arsenal to the shock whip. The whip is probably not made from lightsaber-resistant material, and it doesn't move quicker than a blaster bolt.
Omg. I def know who is Ronhar Kim but I cant believe my eyes. Is this real??? Is matt chatman alive once again??? I must watch and I will give full critiques after fulling watching this.
+GreyJedi91 Yes you do (in a similar fashion to force spirits?). Anyway, I don't have any sort of critiques in terms of issues. I think your analysis was on point given the material, the explanation were great, music was well picked. Overall though, it was still great and very very good. Though on a personal request, since you are clearly a fan of the One Sith, are you planning on using Darth Krayt anytime soon? As for who he is up against, I want you to have full creative freedom because you rarely disappoint. Thank you so much for this one though.
Well...I've used Nihl a couple times. I've used Talon. I've used Wyyrlok and am planning to use him again pretty soon. My next vs. match will feature Maladi. And I've got some plans for Stryfe...so yeah...I'm building up to Darth Krayt :)
+GreyJedi91 Had a feeling that you were building up to Krayt. Interested in your analysis of Maladi because she is a scientist rather a true fighter. Either way, I look forward to your future work.
We've been in far to much of a VS dry spell lately. You not only sate our thirst, but spoil us with a video of this caliber. A story rather than a fight. I wish more VS were like this. Well done. If I may ask, how is the Tales of the Jedi Forcecast coming along?
Thanks! And I don't know what's going on with the Tales podcasts. We've got 2 parts recorded and I thought they were supposed to be uploaded on the other's channels already but they're not yet I guess. Part 3 will be recorded soon and released on my channel after it's done. So hopefully within the next couple of weeks all 3 episodes should be up.
Yeah...I had some concerns that people might think I'd run out of ideas and reached the bottom of my barrel before I uploaded this one. While I do like little known characters, it wasn't my first instinct to feature these two in a match up. Was Jensarrai1's request. Got a lot more planned. And while some of them are fairly obscure, there's more substantial evidence behind them to dig into than I was able to find for this one. Thanks for watching all the same.
You do solid work boss so while it's not in my taste it's still worth a watch to broaden my understanding of star wars. Personally If I had to give a suggestion I'd go with Jaden Korr, or Kyle Katarn. Maybe some of the new order jedi. The Legends continuity as a lot of underappreciated characters. If I had to pick a specific request Clone Wars A'sharad Hett versus Ferus Olin or Jaden Korr seems like an interesting fight.
Do you have any thoughts on Darth Jadus or even knew about him? He is one of my favorite characters in SWTOR and i think he's interesting because he is one of the calmest, yet strongest, Siths in that game universe. I would say he is prof that you don't need anger to be strong in killing with the Force.
I do know about him yes. I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan of his, but I do like him. I have a love/hate thing with SWTOR. In general I just don't really care for the overall story of the game. I really like a lot of the characters from that period though. While I don't know all there is to know about Jadus, I know enough to find him appealing. He's my kind of Sith Lord in general. And he had a great voice actor that suited his role very well.
Question; I keep hearing that Luke Skywalker said Darth Caedus was more powerful then Darth Vader, but I can’t find the source of that quote anywhere. Please help me!
Max Gustafsson There’s no way the latter match of those two could happen. There is not nearly enough information on Adas or Tulak to include either in a versus match. Yes, they have reputations among the Sith, but those hardly tell you anything substantial enough to compare them. In short, they’re both unusable.
Depends on what you mean by legit...I don't usually speak this way in casual conversation of course. I'm just trying to set a nice atmosphere for telling the story. But I don't edit my voice to sound this way or anything. So yeah...it's my real voice.
I remember leaving a comment on my old account, where I mused about Kim being a K'Kruhk lite (Form V specialist that uses Ataru mainly for evasions), while Maleval is more akin to (I hate to say it again) more akin to Snoke's Praetorian Guards from TLJ. His style is probably a Shii-Cho/Niman personalized hybrid, due to the use of a shock whip instead of dual saber wielding.
They should hire you to do some Star Wars Audiobooks.
“A Jedi of lesser skill”
clip of ole Trebor.... the greatest Jedi in the history of the order.
Woah this is such a random matchup! Always have had interest in Darth Maleval.
Yeah...well if you look at Jensaarai1's list if videos, this one seems more at home. His are usually pretty random. But his obscure matches are always the ones I favor of his projects. Anyway, it was fun to do :)
My jaw legit dropped as soon as this popped up on my notifications. I knew that you would one day include Ronhar Kim into your Versus Series, but I didn't know who it would be against. I'm so looking forward to this!
+Logan Smith ikr. I cant believe it either.
I really like this match up. Never heard of these two before, but I definitely think the comparison was perfect. One was a completely insane sadist, the other was the literal definition of a true Jedi. Very well done!
A grey jedi video hell yeah!. That soothing voice and beautiful editing, just what i needed. Thanks dude
*spins blaster pistol, puts feet up on cantina table*
thanks for doing a video on Darth Maleval I had grown curious about him. I think we could do educated guesses on these Jedi/Sith who aren't depicted in light saber duels but take into account what they do have in accomplishments :))
Well, this has been rather enjoyable to watch. Taking a look at these two rarely seen combatants, Jedi and Sith, I feel the urge to agree with you on the verdict. Ronhar Kim is a Jedi in his own right.
If you ask me, Darth Maleval's choice of weaponry and technique would've placed him in a mixture of Shii-Cho, Ataru, and Niman. Shii-Cho is geared toward multiple opponents, Ataru could allow the user to employ his whole body as a weapon, and Niman represents a jack-of-all-trades style. If you're fighting Jedi, these methods may prove useful.
Another thing you might have left out are each other's sense powers:
See how fast Ronhar reacted when he felt the presence of the Maladian assassin behind him? He could detect the soft click of the Senate Guards' rifles mere seconds before the attack.
Maleval must've sensed Hondo Karr's intentions to attack him coming, hence his swift responses. However, in his final moments, his blood lust blinded him to the final danger behind him.
At least, that's all I could make out of these separate senses.
Looking forward to your next vid.
Once again, you continue to surprise Matt. I love the passion you bring to your Versus Series videos and to the lesser-known Expanded Universe characters. Keep up the great work, looking forward to more.
I have recently checked out some of your videos, very impressed so far!!!
Thanks dude! Got a lot more planned.
I was surprised to see this match but I'm glad you took up Jensaarai's idea. I also really liked your music choices.
Yeah it's random. I wouldn't have done this one on my own. As it is, I fully recognize that it's tough to call because the characters are so lightly featured. But I liked the story of both characters so that's why I agreed to it.
GreyJedi91 I can definitely see the difficulty in making a vs with characters lightly featured in combat without speculation, but I like delving into the unknown.
Welcome back 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏Nicely done as always, 👌👍
Thanks. Got a lot more planned! Though they're not all versus matches.
nice vid once again bro. I was wondering if you can do either (Darth Malak vs Count Dooku) or (Darth Revan vs Obi wan Kenobi). Thanks and keep up the fantastic work.
0:34 "Cosinga Palpatine"
My respect for you just doubled
the legend finally managed return again which is amazing. With two new characters.
I remember leaving a comment on my old account, where I mused about Kim being a K'Kruhk lite (Form V specialist that uses Ataru mainly for evasions), while Maleval is more akin to (I hate to say it again) more akin to Snoke's Praetorian Guards from TLJ. His style is probably a Shii-Cho/Niman personalized hybrid, due to the use of a shock whip instead of dual saber wielding.
I CANNOT emphasize enough how happy I am to finally see a Versus Series matchup featuring Ronhar Kim! Thank you so much for this, and welcome back to doing Versus Series videos. Keep up the FANTASTIC work! 👊✌
Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed! Got a lot more material coming in the near future.
GreyJedi91 I look forward to it. May the Force be with you. 👊✌
Great video! the story bits were really interesting to watch.
thanks!
Oh My Abeloth, this was a wonderful match and I love that you guys used Ronhar Kim. Within the SW mythos the "average" Jedi is criminally unexplored, it's always the gifted members of the Order that are shown and as a result our perspective on just what should be expected of a Jedi is skewed. Great match, wish I could give it more than a thumbs up.
One match suggestion:
Beyghor Sahdett & Dass Jennir vs. Aurra Sing.
I'm using Dass Jennir pretty soon but in a different match :)
I want to use Aurra one day but I haven't decided on a match up for her yet.
GreyJedi91 Awesome my dude. Put Aurra against Beyghor since he has a reputation with a lightsaber.
I'm at the end of the individual character stories section as I comment:
So this will be a fight between two guys who died of not quite literal backstabbing?
Seeing you again, warm feelings it brings to my heart. Back you are! :)
I certainly wasn't expecting this to appear on my feed! Very nice, indeed.
A character that I have been longing to see in a Vs. series episode is Roan Shryne. Perhaps, in the future, he could be featured in the series?
An interesting deviation from the usual Versus Vid, a battle won on principles of character and psychology moreso than raw skill and overarcing force abilities.
A most astute observation on your account GreyJedi91.
As much as I hate to admit it, in my very humble opinion as a EU noob (sadly, most of my knowledge comes from Wookieepedia and you magnificent Forcecast folks), Darth Maleval could be compared to one of Snoke's Praetorian Guards from TLJ, the ones with the broad sword that can turn into a whip, to be more specific.
Most likely, like many other mid to low rank members of the One Sith, Maleval started off as a Niman combatant, but then veered off into his own personalized style, with the usage of the lightsaber probably more akin to Shii-Cho (given how he uses wide slashes on multiple opponents). While the shock whip was used both for shock value for his enemies and cruel entertainment for himself.
As for Kim, from how you describe him, he seems like a K'Khruk lite to me. Peaceful demeanor but ready for action, using a mix of Shien (and maybe Djem So when on the offensive) and Ataru as his personal style, with Ataru being used mostly to evade and much less to physically assault, since unlike K'Khruk, he seems more prone to integrate Force powers.
But that’s just my rambling.
@@dragonballtalk8527 Grow a brain or get lost, dumbass
I've listened to this every May since it came out.
Watching this after your character profile of Ronhar made this even better.
I almost lol'd at you saying Maleval got taken out by a noob.
+GreyJedi91 Any chance you or the other council members do one of these matchups?
Kento Marek or Roan Shryne vs. Dass Jennir
Darth Malak vs. Ulic Qel-Droma
Zayne Carrick vs. Ferus Olin
Xanatos vs. Kueller
Cilghal vs. Barris Offee(Legends)
Dooku vs. Darth Wryylok III
Even Piell(Legends) vs. Rahm Kota
Mara Jade vs. Shaak Ti
Mara Jade vs. Depa Billaba(Legends)
Darth Krayt vs. Exar Kun
Bardan Jusik vs. Zekk
Aurra Sing(Legends) vs. Asaj Ventress(TCW+DD)
Darth Malgus vs. Plo Koon
Darth Nihl vs. Darth Maul(Legends)
Saba Sebatyne vs. Oppo Rancisis
I can say that I'm not doing ANY of those match ups. But I do have plans to use at least 8 of those characters very soon. Some already have completed scripts.
GreyJedi91 Oppo Ranscisis?!?! Pretty please 😂😂
I've got plans for him too.
Pretty sure nobody else on the planet could have pulled this off, but you made it absolutely incredible. Loved the extension of what we've seen of these two into a viable style--I wish we saw more of this across the VS series.
What are your thoughts on Aran Leneer VS either Senya Tirell or Sha Koon?
Aryn vs Senya is a great idea...I might have to think that one over.
welcome back Greyjedi91 its been a while looking forward to this I think Ronhar could have been a excellent story arc great back story ever thought of using Darth gravid just wondered with his attitude to the use of the dark side. WB again looking forward to more soon
Not enough is known about Gravid to state much about him with certainty, though I do find the concept behind him very interesting. I would have liked a story about him from his or his apprentice's point of view.
I always wanted a Sith Cthulu
Great video. Not one that I would expect from you. I look forward to what else you have planned.
Aren't you supposed to be dead Thrawn???
Bandele's editing style is starting to influence these other VS channels. First with 3TopicReview, the Jensaarai, now GreyJedi.
What do you think Kim's chances of being put on the council were?
Interesting question. On the merits of his own abilities and conduct? He'd probably be a good candidate in their eyes for either a short or long-term member. I doubt it would have mattered one way or the other to him to be honest. He seemed quite grounded and humble and had a realistic view of his status. He called himself merely average and adequate on separate occasions. That said...I tend to think that power and skill aren't necessarily the best reasons for one to be on the Council. I will say that had he kept his mouth shut and lived up to the events of Revenge of the Sith, Kim might have been seen by the remaining masters as a possible means of spying on or manipulating Palpatine given their friendship. Unlike Anakin, Kim probably wouldn't have had a problem with this. So they might appointed him for that reason too.
So great to have you back, thank you for the video.
Ok due to the information provided in the lore I’m of the personal opinion that Darth Maleval was a shi cho specialist due to his deranged nature and the style being noted as having psychological impact on the user and his position as a military commander
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Possibly a Shii-Cho/Niman practitioner, because of the shock whip.
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I am sooooo happy that you are still making videos, dude.
I've got a lot more coming soon! It won't be a 5-6 month wait this time :)
Well done i never heard of Darth Maleval before. Though i really want a johun Othone vs match.
This is really nitpicky and has nothing to do with your video, but one of my few issues with the Bloodlines comic is that Palpatine has gray hair when he meets Ronhar during the funeral. In the Plagueis novel when Palpatine works his way up to Pax Teem, Luceno depicts him as having red-ish hair (though if this is from blood or the glow of the lightsaber, I do not remember), and that are events that happen after, albeit shortly, his meeting with Ronhar.
Even in TPM, you can see Palpatine having some color in his hair, wich should especially be visible when he arrives at Naboo to congratulate Obi Wan, Anakin and Padme.
Again, extremely nitpicky, but its something I'm a little bothered by.
Awesome video as always.
EDIT: Grammar.
GeneralErlend you have a point about the film showing a tinge of color to his hair. that said I won't fault it for failing to fall in line with Luceno's work since the comic came much much earlier
I agree, I considered that when I wrote the comment, but decided to put it in regardless, even if its not fair for the comic.
I was a bit skeptical when you and Jensaarai decided to pit these two against each other as they had very little of their talents shown in the comics, but you managed to pull it off anyways. So again, great job on this video.
Sweet! GreyJedi's back!
Dude thank you for not picking the same characters everyone else uses.
I'm making a strong effort not to. I do have some matches coming up which feature characters I've used in the past, but for the most part I'm using entirely new characters or extremely lightly used characters for a while. I've got at least 6 projects already in the works.
GreyJedi91 I think Bastila Shan Vs. Darth Maladi would be extremely interesting.
I really enjoy your work well done
I have been looking forward to this. *Count Dooku voice*
My guess would be that Kim reoriented his focus from Ataru to Shien in response to his failure to protect his father. It seems a pretty logical character evolution to me, and goes part way to explaining why he was more capable of blast deflection years later when defending Palpatine. Especially when combined with his overall skill improvement in the intervening years. As for Maleval, it's possible, and I think probable, that he relied on the shock whip to overcome his inability to project force lightning. Force lightning, when used capably, does roughly the same job as a shock whip, only much better and with more versatility. With it being such a common ability during that era, it seems to me that the only reason a Sith would use a shock whip was because force lightning was beyond them. I suppose you could argue that it's easier to to learn to duel wield than to learn a whole force ability and how to integrate it in combat, but dual wielding weapons is pretty damn hard, especially when one of them is as unwieldy as a whip.
Filip Guazzelli I like to think of Kim as a sort of reversed K'Kruhk : instead of using Ataru for attack, he used it more for evading or reaching strategic points more easily, relying instead of brute strength, on Force Powers to dispatch his enemies.
For Maleval, seeing how many low to mid-tier One Sith members were trained in Niman, the balanced "Diplomat-type" as opposed to Krayt's own much more brutal and randomized approach. Then he used Niman as a way to Jar'Kai, and hence to use the shock whip, only to turn it into his own personal style based more around fear tactics and unconventional weapon. Probably had skills in Shii-Cho, seeing how he cut down multiple Stormtroopers.
good to see you again, keep up the amazing work.
Well done. Nice to see you again
Will you do Darth Malak vs Shaak Ti? Jensaarai1 mentioned you might
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So good to see you back great video man :]
Once more the Sith will rule the ga- uhm.. i mean once more you made a great vs video and i learned something new about the EU, so thank you! You are one reason for that the EU will never die! (im from german and I hope i this sentence makes any sense xD)
Awesome! Welcome back.
Keep up the good work on your end too man! Very impressive so far.
Also...could we please please PLEASE get a Dooku and Sifo-Dyas novel, feat. Qui-Gon and some other great characters? Perhaps bring back James Luceno?? What would you (Matt) have thought about that being written?
Can you do Shared hett vs Gnost dural. of maybe Vodo siosk baas vs Sora bulq. I would be honored if you do one of these but I am not expecting you to even see this.
Welcome back and great video!
He's back...could i be any more happy. Imagine i just searched your name and found out i had been unsubbed. Defo subscribed now and look forward to your new stuff man
can you do kas'im vs kao cen darach, count dooku vs darth malak and darth malgus vs lord hoth
Welcome back man! Missed ya!
Can you use Ahsoka Tano in one of your versus videos? Maybe Adult Ahsoka Vs Asajj Ventress?
That's an idea I've been thinking about that for a while.
If Ahsoka stood her own against darth vader, she would be able to destroy ventress easily.
Wow! You've done well to analyse basically nothing and concluded sensibly.
by the force he has returned
GreyJedi91,can you do Character Profiles:Marka Ragnos
evannova has done that
I can't really agree with your verdict on physicality, tools and weaponry. If it was indeed advantageous to have more than one weapon, why is it so rarely seen?
Now, there are of course instances, where that makes sense, like having a blaster and a sword, for ranged combat and melee respectively. But two melee weapons? In your verdict, you simply add the benefits of the shock whip to the benefits of the sword, but I do think that using the shock whip at all might already impede Maleval's abilities with the lightsaber. He has to divide his attention, can't use a two-handed grip and if he switches mid-fight, that is again not optimal for his attention. So I don't think a simple additive calculation works here.
But anyway, nice to hear from you again :)
I thought it was pretty straightforward really. Maleval's got a lightsaber, armor, and a whip. Lightsaber gives him even footing with the Jedi. The whip gives different options at range. The armor improves his survivability in general. He doesn't need to use the whip. But he prefers to. But if it got in the way he could put it away if he chose to. I gave the edge due to the options he as to draw from and the added protection of the armor. Objectively, he has more options than Ronhar does. That's all. Nowhere do I say two is melee weapons are better than one. Nor will you ever hear me say that. Generally speaking, the equipment segment is the least relevant factor for my final verdict though.
GreyJedi91 Yep, that's very straightforward and in that sense, it would be correct if it were directly applicable in a fight. And I don't think it is. My objection here is solely focusing on the weapons and the idea that having more options is necessarily beneficial:
The two melee weapons offer four choices of combinations: no weapon, either the lightsaber or the shock whip, or both at the same time. These are indeed more options than Ronhar's two. But would you say that any single of the ones unique to Maleval is superior to Ronhar's options?
If not, then the argument, as I understand it, is that being able to switch between options mid-fight offers benefits. Did interpret that correctly? If so, then I disagree, because switching weaponry doesn't work on-the-fly and your opponent will, in a real fight, always try to use these moments to his/her advantage, as you are temporarily not completely focused, or your hands are busy with sth else. So, "options" might not be to your benefit, but instead to your disadvantage. Especially, if your opponent is someone who is well trained with the weapon he/she is focusing solely on, which is the case here.
While I see your point, I don't think the issue you're raising is guaranteed to come into play. The benefits of the whip as recognized by Battlemasters who live in the star wars universe are as I noted them to be in the video. Thus a benefit of using the whip is that it could potentially confuse, intimidate, off-balance an inexperienced opponent. That's a benefit Maleval *may* have over Ronhar. It's not a certain thing...what *is* certain though is that Ronhar has no answer for it in his own arsenal. I see no reason to discount that as you seem intent to do. What's also certain is that if the whip became a hindrance, Maleval COULD put it away. Now to be fair he wouldn't be likely to because it's his preferred weapon. But he could do so...all he'd have to do is drop it...how hard is it for a Jedi or Sith to do that? I mean, Kas'im, Grand Inquisitor, Darth Maul, countless bounty hunters, Obi-wan, Shaak Ti, Sora Bulq and many many more have used different combinations of multiple weapons and switched between fighting forms and weapon focuses mid-fight without much difficulty at all. I really think you're kind of inferring a limitation that isn't necessarily there. You're also focused on the weapons. I tried to make it clear in the video and the prior comment that the armor was factored into the ruling as well. I just don't understand what you're saying should be the case...that Ronhar's equal or superior? Either way I disagree.
GreyJedi91 Hmm. Yes, in-universe it might not be an issue, because combatants seem to sometimes give each other time to readjust - and my point is that that's precisely what wouldn't happen in a real fight. And as the whip is probably mostly used to off-balance and surprise (i.e. time for readjustment is needed to cope with an opponent using a whip), it's difficult to decide, when this time will be given and when not. That's why I'd opt for realism, to avoid arbitrariness.
Yes, I indeed think that only using a lightsaber is effectively superior to using both a lightsaber and a whip, as you're able to deal stronger blows as well as parry strong blows with a two-handed grip. Especially against a Form V user, this is important. The non-lethal offensive options the whip provides don't make up for that, though that is a point you might disagree with. If you do, however, then it's still not as clear-cut as you state in the video and that's really my whole point: two weapons don't just mean more options, because if you actually use them, you might face disadvantages and then you need to evaluate in which direction the scale is tipped.
To a lesser extent, the same goes for dual-wielding lightsabers. As they are at least lethal by themselves and can also be used defensively, the evaluation result might be different (-> better). But I would argue that not being able to employ power blows and your blades easily getting in each other's way still necessitates an evaluation. If one or more of your options are inferior to what your opponent does, then having more of them doesn't necessarily help you. That's pretty much what I mean. English is not my mother tongue, so I was struggling a little to appropriately phrase what I wanted to say ;)
GreyJedi91 Btw, for my argument, I viewed the lightsaber as an appropriate response in Ronhar's arsenal to the shock whip. The whip is probably not made from lightsaber-resistant material, and it doesn't move quicker than a blaster bolt.
Omg. I def know who is Ronhar Kim but I cant believe my eyes. Is this real??? Is matt chatman alive once again??? I must watch and I will give full critiques after fulling watching this.
yeah...it seems like I vanish from the face of the earth every now and then I suppose...but I always come back :)
+GreyJedi91 Yes you do (in a similar fashion to force spirits?). Anyway, I don't have any sort of critiques in terms of issues. I think your analysis was on point given the material, the explanation were great, music was well picked. Overall though, it was still great and very very good. Though on a personal request, since you are clearly a fan of the One Sith, are you planning on using Darth Krayt anytime soon? As for who he is up against, I want you to have full creative freedom because you rarely disappoint. Thank you so much for this one though.
Well...I've used Nihl a couple times. I've used Talon. I've used Wyyrlok and am planning to use him again pretty soon. My next vs. match will feature Maladi. And I've got some plans for Stryfe...so yeah...I'm building up to Darth Krayt :)
+GreyJedi91 Had a feeling that you were building up to Krayt. Interested in your analysis of Maladi because she is a scientist rather a true fighter. Either way, I look forward to your future work.
you won't wait long. Maladi's in my next versus match up.
wow. 4 months. we've nearly given up
Grey Jedi can you do a match up between Darth Malek & Galen Marek.
could you do a video involving Darth Vitiate and another one with Leia Organa as a Jedi Master?
I'll consider Leia. I don't really like Vitiate to be honest. I probably won't use him. Sorry man :(
oh it's cool. I'm not a big fan of Vitiate either. I just want to hear someone give a decent analysis of Vitiate's lightsaber skills.
yes. the voice returns
Ronhar Kim finally got the attention he deserves.
We've been in far to much of a VS dry spell lately. You not only sate our thirst, but spoil us with a video of this caliber.
A story rather than a fight. I wish more VS were like this.
Well done.
If I may ask, how is the Tales of the Jedi Forcecast coming along?
Thanks! And I don't know what's going on with the Tales podcasts. We've got 2 parts recorded and I thought they were supposed to be uploaded on the other's channels already but they're not yet I guess. Part 3 will be recorded soon and released on my channel after it's done. So hopefully within the next couple of weeks all 3 episodes should be up.
Why is no one doing these versus videos anymore ?
Plagueis vs exar kun. You're the only one I trust to do this, besides Antoine and he's not interested.
Rather bizarre choice for a match up and it's not to my taste due to their lack of feats but it was a different watch.
Yeah...I had some concerns that people might think I'd run out of ideas and reached the bottom of my barrel before I uploaded this one. While I do like little known characters, it wasn't my first instinct to feature these two in a match up. Was Jensarrai1's request. Got a lot more planned. And while some of them are fairly obscure, there's more substantial evidence behind them to dig into than I was able to find for this one. Thanks for watching all the same.
You do solid work boss so while it's not in my taste it's still worth a watch to broaden my understanding of star wars. Personally If I had to give a suggestion I'd go with Jaden Korr, or Kyle Katarn. Maybe some of the new order jedi. The Legends continuity as a lot of underappreciated characters. If I had to pick a specific request Clone Wars A'sharad Hett versus Ferus Olin or Jaden Korr seems like an interesting fight.
Do you have any thoughts on Darth Jadus or even knew about him?
He is one of my favorite characters in SWTOR and i think he's interesting because he is one of the calmest, yet strongest, Siths in that game universe. I would say he is prof that you don't need anger to be strong in killing with the Force.
I do know about him yes. I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan of his, but I do like him. I have a love/hate thing with SWTOR. In general I just don't really care for the overall story of the game. I really like a lot of the characters from that period though. While I don't know all there is to know about Jadus, I know enough to find him appealing. He's my kind of Sith Lord in general. And he had a great voice actor that suited his role very well.
GreyJedi91 My kind of Sith aswell. Thank you for answearing and have a good day, or night ;)
Grayjedi91 can you please do Revan vs please do 😇
Ahsoka Tano vs Darth Sion would be cool
Do Vayln vs Darth Vader.
Question; I keep hearing that Luke Skywalker said Darth Caedus was more powerful then Darth Vader, but I can’t find the source of that quote anywhere. Please help me!
What do you think of a vs between Darth wyyrlok and count dooku?
I view Wyyrlok as the most likely victor personally.
Welcome back!!
Nikkos Tyris vs Asajj Ventress?
Who will give a dislike this guy,I'm mean seriously
Emperor Vitiate vs Emperor Palpatine. King Adas vs Tulak Hord.
Max Gustafsson There’s no way the latter match of those two could happen. There is not nearly enough information on Adas or Tulak to include either in a versus match. Yes, they have reputations among the Sith, but those hardly tell you anything substantial enough to compare them. In short, they’re both unusable.
the Count's Apprentices Vosa vs Ventris
Ventress wins handily.
What's the music at 3:46? It's really good
"Something Dark is Coming" by Bear McCreary
Ah, thanks. You always pick great music for these.
Whooohoooo! welcome back!
Damm good music!
ronhar kim wins and more
I agree with this, well said dude
I always thought that malaval was a low level juyo and jar kai user.
Ventress vs Shado Vao or Wolf Sazen
Quarren is the plural of Quarren.
where is Sharad Hett?
He'll be along pretty soon. Got a few more projects ahead of him. But they're not all versus series videos.
Hey. at least you're back
Sora Bulq vs Darth Maul
this isn't your legit voice right?
+iGetBannedAlot -Minecraft It is his real voice.
Beautiful, isn't it?
Depends on what you mean by legit...I don't usually speak this way in casual conversation of course. I'm just trying to set a nice atmosphere for telling the story. But I don't edit my voice to sound this way or anything. So yeah...it's my real voice.
ye that's what I meant like ik it's ur voice but like the tone u were talking in I didn't think was real lol
Roma Kim wins and more
First
I remember leaving a comment on my old account, where I mused about Kim being a K'Kruhk lite (Form V specialist that uses Ataru mainly for evasions), while Maleval is more akin to (I hate to say it again) more akin to Snoke's Praetorian Guards from TLJ. His style is probably a Shii-Cho/Niman personalized hybrid, due to the use of a shock whip instead of dual saber wielding.