As bloodsing said its not much different of a concept. Pushing lanes in and farming camps will get you fat no matter the game and it opens the map up to plays. Always play around your CDs and timings otherwise not worth trying to force stuff.
10 year veteran here, if I may....you can look at the offlaner as a reflection of the carry. It does the opposite and tries to draw the attention away from the carry. If the carry farms jungle, you push lane. Your focus is to make the enemy carry miserable, even after taking T1, meaning you need an item that allows you to play deep safely (blink/bkb). If you do this, you're forcing the enemy to react and thus draw attention away from your carry. Doing so up until T2 falls allows your carry to pick up pace, and now when you group with your carry, you are more powerful than your enemy. In teamfights, you're the attentionwhore. You want EVERYTHING used on you, and then walk out on a sliver of HP. So, make sure you're the one walking up front, and you're the one initiating the proper target (often the 4, 5, or 2). After initiating, you're going to want to control the fight. Intimidate away pesky supports, or stun up Lina mid combo to save your mid. Make sure you build tanky and aura items, depending on the situation. Get to know them better. When you need pipe, when AC, or when you can just get echo Sabre. There's variation but the main goal is to become an unignorable (that's your kryptonite as offlaner) pest who you really don't want to go on, but you have to because he makes you. There's much, much more to the offlane but I think this is the essential mindset to make it work. Hope it helps a bit :)
As an Arc Warden player, tip is that better to stay around your creeps 'cause Flux deals so much tick damage in early game, seeing you blink away from the creepwave just hurt me
tbf its a heavily AW favored lane; i think the most effective method is for the qop to take dagger and try and chip aw down, which isnt the current meta build. if he doesnt blink away hes subject to right clicks, and of course when he does blink away AW can catch him with a spark wraith; pretty much a lose lose situation.
@Paindota can I give you a tip? At 8:00 when you activated regen rune, you should have taken ancients. It pained me knowing you didn’t use all your regen rune to its full potential. Was a double stack too :(. Only 55% of the rune was used.
@@PainDota isn't that counterintuitive? You took the hard camp stack, but just left the ancients for your carry? Shouldn't you leave both if you wanted your carry to "take the stacks"?
an d how about using the ulti to farm? Like if you see that there is no kill potential or no vision or cant control runes, just make a 4/5 stack of medium camp and ulti it, that's the way you comeback
Love the video man. Its just hard at low MMR when I was there. People fuck up so much and no matter what you do they will blame you and throw. For example when your team got gamed bit and you didn't tp. These people will lose their god damn minds if you don't go hemp😂 no matter what
Thank you for this video bro. This is what I even asked you a few vids ago. edit: Though what to do if you're quite ahead (I stomp lanes at 3k mmr) often going 30+ denies 10min on lane and 60+ lh. Then they just dont show on the map and my team is doing nothing. Idk whether I should try to force something then if they have ultra scaling heroes like spectre etc. And i play invo/puck/void spirit/tinker mostly (the stompage mostly happens with invo and vspirit). edit2: Or they have something like a medusa and we aint doing nothing about her, so she even though is like 0/5/0 kd cuz I destroy her with ganks early can easily come back later. Should I force something if my team is doing nothing?
Honest question, how could Arc Warden have played this game better? He had an amazing start and was top networth for the whole game. I'm assuming based on that he didn't just start feeding after laning phase either. Did their comp just suck? Did Void/BM just need to farm more/not get caught out as much? What do you do when you side lanes lose, and very few moves feel "natural" even when your spells are up? Is it just hoping the enemy team fucks up at that point? If it would help and give context, I just broke immortal, but still unnumbered.
I mean u could avoid dying the first 4 mins in the game. When u get bottle he cant kill anymore. But understandable because youre not a mid player hehebe
@@TripTVx you can farm with right clicks when AW has to leave lane. desperate times call for desperate measures and qop has to try and get as much as she can out of the lane.
U have a lot of mistakes bro like itemization,laning against arc warden and farming instead of regen in base then tp to a possible team fight.Don't get me wrong I love this channel.I'm just pointing out mistakes because this is a guide video.
I started watching your videos since the time you uploaded Satanic Naga Siren. Loved all the videos but this one is bullshit, you won this game because TB and Void suck. And possibly account buyers.
@@spectre_00r u a hard stuck legend? if i smurf i have 85% winrate, i can boost you out🤣😂 i have 800 games on brood with 65% winrate on main, id prolly win on your average every game it's just your fault
@@timurkqa are you hard stuck in herald with brood ? Nah, I don't need a herald brood booster. I don't see you anywhere in the pro scene, not even T2 teams. Get good bro. 😂 At least I have a good life aside from Dota.
wish i had an offlane guide just like this , there are very less offlane guides fr
i think the same priciples apply, apply pressure by pushing the lane in, farm and look for opportunitys while keep farming.
As bloodsing said its not much different of a concept. Pushing lanes in and farming camps will get you fat no matter the game and it opens the map up to plays. Always play around your CDs and timings otherwise not worth trying to force stuff.
10 year veteran here, if I may....you can look at the offlaner as a reflection of the carry. It does the opposite and tries to draw the attention away from the carry. If the carry farms jungle, you push lane. Your focus is to make the enemy carry miserable, even after taking T1, meaning you need an item that allows you to play deep safely (blink/bkb). If you do this, you're forcing the enemy to react and thus draw attention away from your carry. Doing so up until T2 falls allows your carry to pick up pace, and now when you group with your carry, you are more powerful than your enemy.
In teamfights, you're the attentionwhore. You want EVERYTHING used on you, and then walk out on a sliver of HP. So, make sure you're the one walking up front, and you're the one initiating the proper target (often the 4, 5, or 2). After initiating, you're going to want to control the fight. Intimidate away pesky supports, or stun up Lina mid combo to save your mid. Make sure you build tanky and aura items, depending on the situation. Get to know them better. When you need pipe, when AC, or when you can just get echo Sabre. There's variation but the main goal is to become an unignorable (that's your kryptonite as offlaner) pest who you really don't want to go on, but you have to because he makes you.
There's much, much more to the offlane but I think this is the essential mindset to make it work.
Hope it helps a bit :)
@theohaukes767 thanks it does
As an Arc Warden player, tip is that better to stay around your creeps 'cause Flux deals so much tick damage in early game, seeing you blink away from the creepwave just hurt me
tbf its a heavily AW favored lane; i think the most effective method is for the qop to take dagger and try and chip aw down, which isnt the current meta build. if he doesnt blink away hes subject to right clicks, and of course when he does blink away AW can catch him with a spark wraith; pretty much a lose lose situation.
Thanks for sharing this great advice! Game changer! Happy Holidays!
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12:25 INSANE dark willow deny to the tormentor with bramble maze wtf
Love the concept you present here! I apply this as a carry constantly :D
Random question: what's the story behind the hungarian name "Gyökeres"? :D
The footballer ;3 I like him
@Paindota can I give you a tip? At 8:00 when you activated regen rune, you should have taken ancients. It pained me knowing you didn’t use all your regen rune to its full potential. Was a double stack too :(. Only 55% of the rune was used.
Brother ancients for my carry ;3
@@PainDota isn't that counterintuitive? You took the hard camp stack, but just left the ancients for your carry? Shouldn't you leave both if you wanted your carry to "take the stacks"?
an d how about using the ulti to farm? Like if you see that there is no kill potential or no vision or cant control runes, just make a 4/5 stack of medium camp and ulti it, that's the way you comeback
Love the video man. Its just hard at low MMR when I was there. People fuck up so much and no matter what you do they will blame you and throw. For example when your team got gamed bit and you didn't tp. These people will lose their god damn minds if you don't go hemp😂 no matter what
I will now have PainDota's voice in my head, "Scale. Scale. Scale."
Thank you for this video bro. This is what I even asked you a few vids ago.
edit: Though what to do if you're quite ahead (I stomp lanes at 3k mmr) often going 30+ denies 10min on lane and 60+ lh. Then they just dont show on the map and my team is doing nothing. Idk whether I should try to force something then if they have ultra scaling heroes like spectre etc. And i play invo/puck/void spirit/tinker mostly (the stompage mostly happens with invo and vspirit).
edit2: Or they have something like a medusa and we aint doing nothing about her, so she even though is like 0/5/0 kd cuz I destroy her with ganks early can easily come back later. Should I force something if my team is doing nothing?
Just to add,remember to keep in mind to turn kills into objectives like towers and roshan.
Honest question, how could Arc Warden have played this game better? He had an amazing start and was top networth for the whole game. I'm assuming based on that he didn't just start feeding after laning phase either. Did their comp just suck? Did Void/BM just need to farm more/not get caught out as much? What do you do when you side lanes lose, and very few moves feel "natural" even when your spells are up? Is it just hoping the enemy team fucks up at that point? If it would help and give context, I just broke immortal, but still unnumbered.
He eventually fucked up by using his buyback incorrectly. We smoke and found him in a ward afterwards and ended the game
TB & Void were too noob to play DotA. That’s why Arc lost!
off topic but are you a gyokeres fan?
Arc Warden is such a mid winner
good tips. thanks
How u get dumpstered as QOP mid bro
aw wins that lane
im noob bro ;3
I mean u could avoid dying the first 4 mins in the game. When u get bottle he cant kill anymore. But understandable because youre not a mid player hehebe
match id please?
Replay is too old, even If I give it to, you won't be able to download it
Take Q whenever you are against Arc. I play arc and i struggle when qop max it.
Yeah but can't farm with Q
@@TripTVx only thing to do is to scale on heroes. its high percentage of kill
@@TripTVx you can farm with right clicks when AW has to leave lane. desperate times call for desperate measures and qop has to try and get as much as she can out of the lane.
why don't you ever backpack stat items to bottle? painful to watch you suffering on low mana when you could have a decent chunk more😅
i think he isnt used to that as a safelaner main
@@felixschmidt5241 every role should be in the habit of doing it, side laners have lotus
12:34 u could dagon the creep and survive , no hate , take it as a tip for dagon heros
Damn, you play bad bro
Yeah, I was the first one dude. Keep watching.
U have a lot of mistakes bro like itemization,laning against arc warden and farming instead of regen in base then tp to a possible team fight.Don't get me wrong I love this channel.I'm just pointing out mistakes because this is a guide video.
You realize he’s like 9k mmr right, what’s your mmr?
Yes, that's what he is telling you. 1K MMR will be brawling. Then this mid-laner will emerge out of shadows and stomp everyone eventually.
I started watching your videos since the time you uploaded Satanic Naga Siren. Loved all the videos but this one is bullshit, you won this game because TB and Void suck. And possibly account buyers.
Second one here oh yeah! Just what I needed too
"I missed my ult but whatever"
"I wont fight mid because i dont have ult"
LoL
3 mins and you've basically said nothing
This video will become more applicable when you get out of 1k. Learn to last hit and dent for now 😂
unlucky
U have to unmute :)
Plz observe SEA server before making this video. In SEA we AFK farm till 40mins and lose 🎉
skill issue i carry my teammates on broodmother and win solely
@timurkqa definitely if you're surfing. I easily win games if I smurf too 🐷. Thanks
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@@spectre_00r u a hard stuck legend?
if i smurf i have 85% winrate, i can boost you out🤣😂
i have 800 games on brood with 65% winrate on main, id prolly win on your average every game it's just your fault
@@timurkqa are you hard stuck in herald with brood ? Nah, I don't need a herald brood booster. I don't see you anywhere in the pro scene, not even T2 teams. Get good bro. 😂 At least I have a good life aside from Dota.