Very informative and honest; a staple of your channel and testament to your integrity. I remember back when you mentioned that Facebook was going to start sponsoring you, but you swore you would remain completely honest and transparent with your reviews on their products, and you absolutely deliver the truth every time. YOU DA MAN, MATTEO!
I know I'll get one anyway but I still enjoy watching these kinds of videos, really excited for tomorrow! Part of me wishes this had a midnight launch but oh well..
@@judahsfinest1860 Why is that? Why not buy it physically in a store the day of release instead of buying it online and relying on some shipping companies. But still, sorry about that.. I feel you..
I wasn't planning to buy the Quest 3 but yesterday my Quest 2 started to have flickering pixels on the right side of the right lens and it is also now taking several minutes to start up. Your timely review of the PCVR improvements pushed me over the edge so I pre-ordered a 512 gb Q3 from my local Best Buy. I realized that my current PCVR games might be really fresh and interesting again with this headset. Thank you for that advice!
@@BigBossXCV I also have family members who play standalone versions so we opted to future proof it. Our Q2 has ~ 70 gb of games and we do plan on playing the new releases. Also, if the industry is going to skew away from PCVR content, the larger memory capacity will be much more important. I won't like that but I'll still be able to have new games to play.
@@MaggieKB Oh then you made the right choice, you definitely need the extra space. I think PCVR will get some new good games also if most of existing titles get a vr mode (like No Man Sky did) that would be already a good addition. I suggest you to try mods that let you play normal PC games in VR like those for the fantastic Half-Life 1&2
@@BigBossXCV Thanks, have several modded flat screen games including the ones you mentioned. Frankly, it is the modded PC game that could be the saving grace of PCVR.
Really appreciate your opinion on this because I know that it’s honest and you don’t pull punches when something is lacking. Its looking good to me, even if valve reveal their headset next year, I have a feeling it’s going to be outside my price range anyway.
When it comes to Valve Deckard I think you might be surprised. Newell had the opinion that you had to "make it good before you make it mainstream." . The specs of Deckard certainly suggest it is good enough and the pricing of SteamDeck suggest Valve are prepared to subsidize/ sell at cost IF they consider the product to have the mass market appeal. Personally I would pay whatever they asked for 4k per eye/microOled/pancake lense/Display Port/Eye Trackng headset.
I had the first Quest, the 3 is a significant improvement over that. Faster response time, higher resolution, better sound etc. I only got it to watch movies, tv, and VR media anyway. It's comfortable enough to wear lying down, you can charge it while using it and is probably better than many smart tv's at a comparable price.
Love the review ,. Bought it because I’m a salesman and I’m “the vr guy” at my job and wanted to get a hands on . Legit it’s just quest 2 but better . As. Quest pro owner it’s really tugging me back and forth . I USE eye tracking and love it but like everything else on the Q3 is just better .. mostly . Except the controllers but hell they even give me trouble . Gonna use it for a couple more weeks before I decided to return it or not . 😅 thanks for the insight man
Matteo you outdid yourself with this one !! By far the best and most honest review I`ve seen. Being hyper critical .... - Forza ? LOL :) - The Quest3 CPU performance seems to be unchanged from the Q2. They claim 33% compared to the Q2 (original clocks). So basically the same compared to the current Q2. This is the limiting factor for games with a bigger scope. This WHY assassins creed nexus is levels rather than the FULL assassins creed open world game from 2007. Quest 3 will not allow "proper" games any more than Quest 2 did. It will simply allow better looking Q2 games. No comment about GTA tells you everything NOT even powerful enough for a 2004 (open world) game :) - Performance using link cable on Q3 vs Q2 ?? - The cheaper Quest 3 (lite) is going to be Meta`s attempt to leave VR behind and transition to MR. No controllers, Only Hand tracking and Improved Passthrough. NO proper games with locomotion. - VR games are just a means to and end for Meta. If MR doesn`t take off then their long term vision is in serious doubt. If MR does take off (It wont:) then Quest 4 will be a MR first headset without controllers.
I came to appreciate your reviews and thoughts more overtime. Thank you for the straightforward, organized review! I think AR will be best with media consumption and productivity like in Piano-vision and other tools to assist you with learning a new skill. I also think it is useful for third person gaming like found in Lego Bricktales and Demeo Battles. VR is great for the first-person immersive games, but Mixed reality will be cool for things like board games and tabletop games, and cool ideas like a Yugioh like game. It just expands the kinds of games that can be viable. I wish Meta provided more Mixed Reality demos for people to try at launch, but I can understand that it is still something in progress. I hope it branches out to something more than a "gimmick" because I can see a lot of uses for it. I'm mostly just going to use mine right now for watching videos in passthrough. I have the new Spiderman Across the Universe movie already set up to watch in a full screen view. Excited!
Hi Matteo! Thanks alot for your review! I got a question: Did you try it in WIFI 6e or WIFI 6? When i saw your footage of the VD overlay, i got the impression, that you used WIFI 6, maybe even without a dedicated AP, right? I think this info is important to understand your wireless pcvr impression in a proper context (4090 was the other important info!) Thank you in advance!
I used wifi 6e. I didn't show a lot of footage and chose a clip that was HVEC not AV1. PCVR streaming is always hardware dependent but that's a separate topic all together and the video was already 21 minutes
Awesome chilled review different than from others. Very calmly voiced without excitement and staying grounded. I appreciate it. Thank you! You are great at making quality useful content. Keep up the great work.
the coolest mixed reality thing i can think off is watching movies and you go underwather in the movie and your room fills up whit wather or in a fighting sceene one of the people hets thrown out of the screen and stand right infront off you stuff like that could be next level movies
People and the battery life thing really dont understand. Twice the power. More ram. Better cameras. Louder sound etc the fact that battery life is the same as quest two is incredible. It’s like saying awe man the battery on my phone last longer than my steam deck…
Thanks for the honest review. I'm an enthusiest who justified buying yet another headset because of a reason I don't think you covered. I have 2 children. I bought my 13 year old son a quest 2 so we could play together, but my 8 year old daughter was not able to join us even though we were in the same home but different realities. Now I bit that bullet to upgrade to the 512 Quest 3 and with the account share I can play experiences like walkabout mini golf or contractors with both kids. I can even show my kids where I used to live or grew up with wander. Believe it or not, my wife is even on board with this (she's a teacher) when I showed her the educational uses like the Ann Frank house and Mission ISS. The possibilities are limited to the users imagination.
Great non-biased review! Holding out for now to see what happens with Valve before I consider moving on from my Index so this really answered all my questions.
I just pre-ordered me one of those 512GB Version of the Quest 3 to have that extra storage space and to also, take advantage of the Pre-order offer of getting that Asgard's Wrath 2 and 6 months Subscription to Meta which is 2 Free games per month making 13 games in Total. So I disagree with you saying, don't rush into getting one. To get the best bang for your buck is to rush and pre-order it now. 🤷🏻♂️ I also heard you saying 512GB Version is a rip off. Are you serious, The whole purpose of having a portable VR headset is to be able to take it anywhere and play your games. If you don't have the storage space to install your games you won't have any games installed to play. Internet isn't always available.✈️ For example, My Asus ROG ally and Steam Deck both came with 512GB and after installing 5 games I was already out of space. Sea of theives is 100GB alone. So Luckily, I was able to swap out the 512GB ssd to a 2TB ssd giving me plenty of space to install my game library. Having multiple games on my portable hand-held to enjoy when I am out and in locations with No Internet access. 🌄 I Agree, with you this Quest 3 is impressive. 😉👌 But, 128GB just isn't enough storage in my opinion. If I could swap out the 512GB to 2TB in this Quest 3 that would be Awesome. "I like having storage space." 😁👍 Thanks for your review, Enjoyed watching it. Note: Valve Index is Trash! My Vive Cosmos is Better. J/K 🤗🤭😂💯🎮🕹🥷
I agree with the mixed reality experiences. If we dont have the same real space for a game, the experiences WILL NOT be the same ever. That is why the piano experience works, it can anchor to a real life obkect, or if recreated, can give a real scale to a piano. I suppose mixed reality experienses that anchor to an object instead of a space will have more possitive reseption. Instrument tutorial apps and games (something like rockband or guitar hero) will probably be among the best mixed reality experiences. A tabletop simulator mixed reality implementation could also be a great way to play something like D&D or board games.
Just bought a psvr2 last month. The clarity of the q3 lenses appeals to me (cuz the mura is a bit much on the psvr2) probably wait at least a year to pick one of these up
@iakobkv271 sweet spots not an issue for me. Takes a second to get the headset on, my headphones in place. It looks fine. But it's about the games for me. I'm enjoying Re Village and Synapse right now. Looking forward to Foglands and Re4 Remake
I always recommend to people looking to buy something for the first time not to go waste their money on old tech because once they pass the honey moon period they will have buyers remorse because of learning what a few more dollars could have got them. In the case of the quest 3 I think the best advice I could give is do nothing don’t buy old and don’t buy new because the software isn’t ready to support the hardware and while we wait for it to catch up another player might enter the ring or the cheaper quest lite might be a better option
Glad to hear that controller tracking is slightly better. Really hoping that it will can track better behind the headset in particular, so that if I am using a bow or something and drawing the arrow back pretty far, I can still aim well. Also hoping that devs can really find strong use cases for AR/MR. PianoVision is a great start but I'm hoping a good dev can create an experience as compelling as Beat Saber was on release.
Excellent and comprehensive review, Matteo; thank you! I greatly appreciate your in-depth discussions on each aspect of the Quest 3's pros and cons. I agree with you, re. the whole Passthrough discussion. I think Meta's development with those games was seriously affected by the failure of the Quest Pro; hopefully, time and developers' interest will improve the available selection of passthrough games and experiences over the next several months. I just hope the comments many reviewers have had about the passthrough's resolution won't interfere with creating some really good games. As I've mentioned before, I went ahead and pre-ordered the Quest 3, largely because I didn't like the Quest 2 for myself, but I have a pretty substantial games library that I'd like to enjoyably get back into. I also think it will help my disabled, mostly house-bound sister. Even with the various head straps, the Quest 2 was always too front-heavy for her to use comfortably. Hopefully, the more compact form factor of the Quest 3 will work better for her. Anyway, looking forward to Wednesday, when I'll get my Quest 3, and to getting a chance to actually experience what you talked about!
VR and AR/MR are two different products and should be treated as such. I signed up for VR, exploring different environments and getting inside the worlds of my favorite games. I want to play big huge AAA games in worlds I am familiar with. That's what we were getting in the "golden age", that was what attracted me to VR. Those big huge worlds you could explore for hours, the Commonwealth, Skyrim, Pandora, in 3D so we really felt like we were there. Then Meta pivoted to stand alone, the big familiar worlds became small unfamiliar worlds because of the limitations, and everybody said THIS IS BETTER. Now another pivot, Meta has demonstrated no comittment to gaming and shifted focus to AR/MR to the point that all of the games are now jumping on board. Worlds get so small its actually just the inside of my house now. The whole HMD is focused on it, a big waste if you have no interest in this OTHER product. Give me a Meta Rift X with the updated tracking, lenses, and controllers and start up a division focused on gaming, update the PC software that desperately needs it, and I'll back. In the mean time I'll keep playing my Rift S and my Q2 and watch for other players. The Q3 has nothing for me.
Best channel for vr content. Question if you own a quest 2 and 3 and you’re games library is on the quest2 and you what to keep it on quest 2 can you still share with it on quest3. And also can you play the same game together if you own both headsets but you only have purchased the game on quest 2 . And again great great content and no 🐂 💩 keep you the great work
Nice to the point review. But the amount of people with a RTX40X0 are still a small minority, you should really do extensive tests on the improvements(if any) to the non-AV1 codecs for PCVR use.
*QUESTION*: Q3 face gasket seems extra deep compared to Q2. Is that correct? Does that mean even more reason we should get 3rd party one for better FOV?
Totally new to vr, Bought a custom Occulus 2 on Ebay yesterday, actually was not aware of the 3 coming out. But after watching a few reviews I might get the 3 later on, I think it might get better and the price might come down. And I may not even like vr gaming but I have my son who is interested, he is a hard core gamer. But he also has never tried vr.
I see your using the 5Ghz frequency. I don't know if you have a Wifi 6E router yet but that 6 Ghz makes a HUGE difference (at least for me lol )and probably will solve these issues your having on godlike. Using my 4090 and with my Quest Pro running the 6 Ghz frequency with almost doubt the mbps you have, it's flawless on things like this so I expect, the Quest 3 should be the same as it also supports 6E.
Can't wait to get mine! Estimated delivery is Wednesday! But for some reason the estimated delivery for the elite strap (with battery) is a week later so I'll get to test out whether the stock strap is really that much better.
I thoroughly enjoyed your review; it was quite insightful! However, I must correct you on one point: an Nvidia GTX 1060 isn't twice as powerful as the Quest 3's Snapdragon 8 Gen 2. The Nvidia GTX 1060 has around 4.37 teraflops of computing power, whereas the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 in the Quest 3 ranges between 2.5 to 3 teraflops. To be precise, if we take the higher value of 3 teraflops for the Quest 3, then the GTX 1060 is approximately 45.6% more powerful. On the other hand, if we go by the lower value of 2.5 teraflops, the GTX 1060 would be about 74.8% more powerful. Other than this minor correction, your video was fantastic!
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 No, that is not accurate @user-pf9jv1fl2n. I am a former game coder and I am immune to marketing B.S. !! :) Based on actual benchmarks (assuming Quest3 is 2x (in general use case) Quest2) Quest 3 is about 1/3 of the performance of a GTX 1060 1/7 of the performance of a PS5. 1/60 of the performance of the RTX 4090 >> Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 in the Quest 3 ranges between 2.5 to 3 teraflops These are intentionally misleading "peak performance" figures that every hardware company puts out when the launch a product. Nvidia, AMD try the same thing. Here is an example, remember this from last year ? "GeForce RTX 4000 graphics cards will offer a two- to four-times performance increase over its last-generation GPUs" - Nvidia Notice the similarities in wording. Leaving out key details, being vague what assumptions are being made etc. What was the difference in actual frame rates from RTX 3000 vs RTX 4000? It ranged from 77% (4090vs3090) , 56% (4080vs3080), 28% (4070vs3070), 21% (4060vs3060) To make any definitive judgement we need to wait for actual benchmarks to be run. If Q3 is really 2x (that is it delivers twice the frame rate of the same game on Quest2 (current clocks) ) then I would be very surprised and the engineers involved should have a statue erected in their honor for this achievement :)
Amazing balanced review Matteo!! You saved me from FOMO. In canada here including tax this is 734 which is way too expensive for mobile graphics to me. Pancake lenses is the only thing that interests me about this. Quest 2 are on ebay here for 200 cad dollars but I have tried quest 2 before and it was just very poor looking to me which is why pancake lense interests me
10:39 Good points but it sounds like you wouldn't have been sold on VR till Half life aylix dropped as the first at home PCVR game that wasn't overpriced/scam on my Rift CV1 was Onward in 2019... Which I feel after seeing people play Quest 3 AR/MR games/gamemodes I feel we are there in 2019... So yeah maybe it will take you years to be sold on AR/MR and that's fine many people are not sold on VR and likely never will.
Pass on "guying" a quest 3, at least for now. If you already own a quest 2. It would be far better to spend that money on a mid-range PC instead of a quest 3. You will get a far better experience.
I think I’m set on buying the quest 3, now I am only left with 2 questions that I haven’t seen that much coverage on: 1. Is the elite strap worth it, should I buy it right from the start? 2. Is 150 dollars extra for more storage actually worth it?
1. i would consider waiting for 3rd party options 2. tough one. I discussed this in my other video. 128gb might only hold 4 to 20 games. are you willing to delete and reinstall games over time
I really don't want to hate on Meta, I want to like them and I don't. If they want to be liked, they could start by getting some spokespersons. Watch old videos of Palmer or Carmack, you can feel the passion. Mark is a bad presenter, he is unlikable, doesn't seem attached to the product, and can't even get a chuckle out of an audience entirely on the payroll. They could open up the Oculus game studio, for real no just one game. Instead of big flat screen Xbox in VR they could work on getting us a 3D perspective in those games. They could work on this AR stuff and put someone in charge of games. I'll start liking Meta when Meta starts doing stuff I like.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311yeah, just wanted to make it clear that the battery cover is the same, cause some pins might be different and it won't fit at all. I have them on my quest 2, but want to upgrade some time next year. Thanks 😊
I got my Quest 3 today. Loving it so far. What do I use to safely wipe fog off of the lenses? Why in the world would Meta cheap out and not provide a microfiber cloth or whatever else they recommend?
I am new to VR and am picking up my Quest 3 tomorrow. I am wondering if you know which head straps and facial interfaces from 3rd party manufacturers have been announced. I want something really comfortable and most reviewers recommend replacing the stock head strap and some are also suggesting a different facial interface.
I am dyeing to find out performance with a PCIe 6e card and Windows 11 hotspotting. Any incite? Oh and maybe how much over the ear headphones drain the battery.
awaiting meta Santa to deliver my questmass day surprise, q3 512Gb, elite battery strap and knuckle straps, quite excited, happy Questmass everyone. 😃😃😃
Curious as to what the video capture capabilities are on this. Would love to be able to use it for capturing decent pcvr footage and allow my laptop to just concentrate on rendering games. Also would like to be able to capture decent quest footage without connecting to my pc and editing settings every time I reboot the device.
@sherkhansher1981 reply again about the glare. I've heard it's atrocious on the beyond and for that price...it needs to be non existent. I've heard glare and God rays are better controlled on the Quest 3.
@@eeeeyuke I’ll probably be testing both. I do love my QPro’s optics, it’s like having a better parts of both LCD & OLED worlds, great contrast & colors without much glare. I just wish the resolution was higher on QPro.
If you have the new HMD plugged in to the PC bis USB will the charge keep up, or will the battery eventually die like it did with the Q2? I think I was getting about 4.5 hours plugged in.
can you try the Quest 3 MR outside? I have not seen anyone report on this. Also, I am telling myself the giant price leap for 512GB is to help offset the loss Meta is taking for selling the 128GB at that price
I really enjoyed Asgard’s Wrath, and I’m really excited for AW2, but bummed that it’s quest exclusive. Would you recommend getting a quest 3 mainly to play it? I would use it as a mobile vr device if I did end up buying it. I’m not planning to get it *just* for AW2, but I’m not going to get it for any other reason other than playing AW2. I currently have a valve index.
I'm looking forward to trying PCVR. In case I missed it in a previous video, can you tell us what your specific Wi-Fi setup is? I upgraded to a Wi-Fi 6E mesh system a few months ago and I'm looking forward to trying it out.
12:30 you've used a wrong codec for that, you should have been using AV1 for 200 Mb goldlike, it would be better in stability, quality and latency. Don't understand why you didn't since you've got a 4090 and it supports AV1. You had >15 ms decode latency with HEVC, no suprise it felt worse.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Indeed, you are saying you used AV1 just seconds later, so it was confusing a bit, thanks for clearing this up! One more thing, I see other people saying that because displays are tilted there is more aliasing on straight lines, for example watching a movie in standalone mode the borders of the screen are aliasing hard. Did you notice anything like that in PCVR or supersampling just kills this problem completely?
Loool!!! So you are saying this is the headset I should jump in into? For context, my last vr headset was a gear vr (i don't even have the correct phone that is compatible with the headset anymore 😅😂😅)
hi Matteo! does it make the image better with AV1 codec? I’m using a Pico 4 for pcvr mods and am thinking whether the wifi6e and av1 improvement worth the upgrade
The review I was waiting for! Question Mateo, The tracking for Beatsaber... Is it better than Quest 2 or is it about the same? Quest 2: Hitting boxes to the extreme upper left or right almost always results in a miss. Like most players, I've adapted by making sure I look physically closer to that box and physically strafe a bit (left to right) to keep that blind spot as small as possible. Its just not good enough. Does Q3 tracking improve on this or the same?
Very informative and honest; a staple of your channel and testament to your integrity. I remember back when you mentioned that Facebook was going to start sponsoring you, but you swore you would remain completely honest and transparent with your reviews on their products, and you absolutely deliver the truth every time.
YOU DA MAN, MATTEO!
You’re one of the most dedicated people on this platform. Keep up the good work!
I know I'll get one anyway but I still enjoy watching these kinds of videos, really excited for tomorrow! Part of me wishes this had a midnight launch but oh well..
You're still getting your's tomorrow. My arrival changed from tomorrow to Wednesday 😞
@@judahsfinest1860Wednesday gang, rise up 😂
@@sodapopinksi667 🤣 we bouta thug it out together huh
@@judahsfinest1860 which app is that
@@judahsfinest1860 Why is that? Why not buy it physically in a store the day of release instead of buying it online and relying on some shipping companies. But still, sorry about that.. I feel you..
MR being an overlay of real instruments/tools is a REAL use
MR as learning tool is the REAL use
Been waiting for this video, cant wait to watch
I wasn't planning to buy the Quest 3 but yesterday my Quest 2 started to have flickering pixels on the right side of the right lens and it is also now taking several minutes to start up. Your timely review of the PCVR improvements pushed me over the edge so I pre-ordered a 512 gb Q3 from my local Best Buy. I realized that my current PCVR games might be really fresh and interesting again with this headset. Thank you for that advice!
You don't need 500gb if you play PCVR
@@BigBossXCV I also have family members who play standalone versions so we opted to future proof it. Our Q2 has ~ 70 gb of games and we do plan on playing the new releases. Also, if the industry is going to skew away from PCVR content, the larger memory capacity will be much more important. I won't like that but I'll still be able to have new games to play.
glad to help
@@MaggieKB Oh then you made the right choice, you definitely need the extra space. I think PCVR will get some new good games also if most of existing titles get a vr mode (like No Man Sky did) that would be already a good addition. I suggest you to try mods that let you play normal PC games in VR like those for the fantastic Half-Life 1&2
@@BigBossXCV Thanks, have several modded flat screen games including the ones you mentioned. Frankly, it is the modded PC game that could be the saving grace of PCVR.
Really appreciate your opinion on this because I know that it’s honest and you don’t pull punches when something is lacking. Its looking good to me, even if valve reveal their headset next year, I have a feeling it’s going to be outside my price range anyway.
When it comes to Valve Deckard I think you might be surprised.
Newell had the opinion that you had to "make it good before you make it mainstream." . The specs of Deckard certainly suggest it is good enough and the pricing of SteamDeck suggest Valve are prepared to subsidize/ sell at cost IF they consider the product to have the mass market appeal.
Personally I would pay whatever they asked for 4k per eye/microOled/pancake lense/Display Port/Eye Trackng headset.
I had the first Quest, the 3 is a significant improvement over that. Faster response time, higher resolution, better sound etc. I only got it to watch movies, tv, and VR media anyway. It's comfortable enough to wear lying down, you can charge it while using it and is probably better than many smart tv's at a comparable price.
Is there an eq for headphone out?
Love the review ,. Bought it because I’m a salesman and I’m “the vr guy” at my job and wanted to get a hands on . Legit it’s just quest 2 but better . As. Quest pro owner it’s really tugging me back and forth . I USE eye tracking and love it but like everything else on the Q3 is just better .. mostly . Except the controllers but hell they even give me trouble . Gonna use it for a couple more weeks before I decided to return it or not . 😅 thanks for the insight man
Thanks Matt best review Ive watched. Have a great day.
glad to hear it
Matteo you outdid yourself with this one !! By far the best and most honest review I`ve seen.
Being hyper critical ....
- Forza ? LOL :)
- The Quest3 CPU performance seems to be unchanged from the Q2. They claim 33% compared to the Q2 (original clocks). So basically the same compared to the current Q2. This is the limiting factor for games with a bigger scope. This WHY assassins creed nexus is levels rather than the FULL assassins creed open world game from 2007. Quest 3 will not allow "proper" games any more than Quest 2 did. It will simply allow better looking Q2 games. No comment about GTA tells you everything NOT even powerful enough for a 2004 (open world) game :)
- Performance using link cable on Q3 vs Q2 ??
- The cheaper Quest 3 (lite) is going to be Meta`s attempt to leave VR behind and transition to MR. No controllers, Only Hand tracking and Improved Passthrough. NO proper games with locomotion.
- VR games are just a means to and end for Meta. If MR doesn`t take off then their long term vision is in serious doubt. If MR does take off (It wont:) then Quest 4 will be a MR first headset without controllers.
Yeah I meant turismo
i really liked the amount of depth you went into and gave you honest opinion. Really good advice too.
thanks
I came to appreciate your reviews and thoughts more overtime. Thank you for the straightforward, organized review!
I think AR will be best with media consumption and productivity like in Piano-vision and other tools to assist you with learning a new skill. I also think it is useful for third person gaming like found in Lego Bricktales and Demeo Battles. VR is great for the first-person immersive games, but Mixed reality will be cool for things like board games and tabletop games, and cool ideas like a Yugioh like game. It just expands the kinds of games that can be viable.
I wish Meta provided more Mixed Reality demos for people to try at launch, but I can understand that it is still something in progress. I hope it branches out to something more than a "gimmick" because I can see a lot of uses for it. I'm mostly just going to use mine right now for watching videos in passthrough. I have the new Spiderman Across the Universe movie already set up to watch in a full screen view. Excited!
I’m picking mine up from my local GAME store at 9am GMT and I can’t wait!
FYI, title says "Should You Guy One instead of get one". Great video by the way. New favorite VR UA-camr so far.
Hi Matteo! Thanks alot for your review! I got a question: Did you try it in WIFI 6e or WIFI 6? When i saw your footage of the VD overlay, i got the impression, that you used WIFI 6, maybe even without a dedicated AP, right? I think this info is important to understand your wireless pcvr impression in a proper context (4090 was the other important info!) Thank you in advance!
I used wifi 6e. I didn't show a lot of footage and chose a clip that was HVEC not AV1. PCVR streaming is always hardware dependent but that's a separate topic all together and the video was already 21 minutes
Awesome chilled review different than from others. Very calmly voiced without excitement and staying grounded. I appreciate it. Thank you! You are great at making quality useful content.
Keep up the great work.
why should not we be excited lolz
the coolest mixed reality thing i can think off is watching movies and you go underwather in the movie and your room fills up whit wather or in a fighting sceene one of the people hets thrown out of the screen and stand right infront off you stuff like that could be next level movies
I wouldn't know how to Guy one. pretty epic spelling mistake in the tittle. Love your channel. One of the best VR content creators
Great job Matteo, this answered everything I wanted to know without wasting any time.
Perfect
I can't wait for VRcover to have the new facial interface, I'm so used to the light blocking nose flaps I need that on quest 3
People and the battery life thing really dont understand. Twice the power. More ram. Better cameras. Louder sound etc the fact that battery life is the same as quest two is incredible. It’s like saying awe man the battery on my phone last longer than my steam deck…
I'm fine with the battery life, it's a testament it the chips efficiency
Thanks for the honest review. I'm an enthusiest who justified buying yet another headset because of a reason I don't think you covered. I have 2 children. I bought my 13 year old son a quest 2 so we could play together, but my 8 year old daughter was not able to join us even though we were in the same home but different realities. Now I bit that bullet to upgrade to the 512 Quest 3 and with the account share I can play experiences like walkabout mini golf or contractors with both kids. I can even show my kids where I used to live or grew up with wander. Believe it or not, my wife is even on board with this (she's a teacher) when I showed her the educational uses like the Ann Frank house and Mission ISS. The possibilities are limited to the users imagination.
Great non-biased review! Holding out for now to see what happens with Valve before I consider moving on from my Index so this really answered all my questions.
I just pre-ordered me one of those 512GB Version of the Quest 3 to have that extra storage space and to also, take advantage of the Pre-order offer of getting that Asgard's Wrath 2 and 6 months Subscription to Meta which is 2 Free games per month making 13 games in Total. So I disagree with you saying, don't rush into getting one. To get the best bang for your buck is to rush and pre-order it now. 🤷🏻♂️ I also heard you saying 512GB Version is a rip off. Are you serious, The whole purpose of having a portable VR headset is to be able to take it anywhere and play your games. If you don't have the storage space to install your games you won't have any games installed to play. Internet isn't always available.✈️ For example, My Asus ROG ally and Steam Deck both came with 512GB and after installing 5 games I was already out of space. Sea of theives is 100GB alone. So Luckily, I was able to swap out the 512GB ssd to a 2TB ssd giving me plenty of space to install my game library. Having multiple games on my portable hand-held to enjoy when I am out and in locations with No Internet access. 🌄
I Agree, with you this Quest 3 is impressive. 😉👌 But, 128GB just isn't enough storage in my opinion. If I could swap out the 512GB to 2TB in this Quest 3 that would be Awesome. "I like having storage space." 😁👍 Thanks for your review, Enjoyed watching it. Note: Valve Index is Trash! My Vive Cosmos is Better. J/K 🤗🤭😂💯🎮🕹🥷
8:48 I love PianoVision, you are so right, something other than gaming is refreshing. Exploring a creative side is very rewarding.
gl with the giveaway everyone!
I agree with the mixed reality experiences. If we dont have the same real space for a game, the experiences WILL NOT be the same ever. That is why the piano experience works, it can anchor to a real life obkect, or if recreated, can give a real scale to a piano. I suppose mixed reality experienses that anchor to an object instead of a space will have more possitive reseption. Instrument tutorial apps and games (something like rockband or guitar hero) will probably be among the best mixed reality experiences. A tabletop simulator mixed reality implementation could also be a great way to play something like D&D or board games.
Just bought a psvr2 last month. The clarity of the q3 lenses appeals to me (cuz the mura is a bit much on the psvr2) probably wait at least a year to pick one of these up
sell psvr2 dawg
@@iakobkv271 nah
@@AndrewEhrenreichok then good luck searching sweet spot brrrrrro while we enjoy great VR 😂
@iakobkv271 sweet spots not an issue for me. Takes a second to get the headset on, my headphones in place. It looks fine. But it's about the games for me. I'm enjoying Re Village and Synapse right now. Looking forward to Foglands and Re4 Remake
Its not an issue before you try Quest ;) :D @@AndrewEhrenreich
I always recommend to people looking to buy something for the first time not to go waste their money on old tech because once they pass the honey moon period they will have buyers remorse because of learning what a few more dollars could have got them. In the case of the quest 3 I think the best advice I could give is do nothing don’t buy old and don’t buy new because the software isn’t ready to support the hardware and while we wait for it to catch up another player might enter the ring or the cheaper quest lite might be a better option
Thanks for testing PCVR. Not so fussed about MR right now.
Headset is definitely an iterative update. Resolution bump is harder to detect, but the lenses are nice, and the comfort is better.
ty...was hoping you said it was awful....:) great vid.
Great breakdown 👏 👏 👏
Excellent and comprehensive review, thank you.
Robo Recall Graphics overhaul is needed!
Glad to hear that controller tracking is slightly better. Really hoping that it will can track better behind the headset in particular, so that if I am using a bow or something and drawing the arrow back pretty far, I can still aim well.
Also hoping that devs can really find strong use cases for AR/MR. PianoVision is a great start but I'm hoping a good dev can create an experience as compelling as Beat Saber was on release.
Mine arrives TODAY. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
finally a Honest review thx i subscribe.... and btw the fov compare to q2 is really noticiable ?
I discussed this in depth on another video, short story, not really
Excellent and comprehensive review, Matteo; thank you!
I greatly appreciate your in-depth discussions on each aspect of the Quest 3's pros and cons. I agree with you, re. the whole Passthrough discussion. I think Meta's development with those games was seriously affected by the failure of the Quest Pro; hopefully, time and developers' interest will improve the available selection of passthrough games and experiences over the next several months. I just hope the comments many reviewers have had about the passthrough's resolution won't interfere with creating some really good games.
As I've mentioned before, I went ahead and pre-ordered the Quest 3, largely because I didn't like the Quest 2 for myself, but I have a pretty substantial games library that I'd like to enjoyably get back into. I also think it will help my disabled, mostly house-bound sister. Even with the various head straps, the Quest 2 was always too front-heavy for her to use comfortably. Hopefully, the more compact form factor of the Quest 3 will work better for her.
Anyway, looking forward to Wednesday, when I'll get my Quest 3, and to getting a chance to actually experience what you talked about!
Great and Honest review, thanks!
Thanks man! I'll wait until after Christmas. No rush. 🙂
My Quest 3 and Elite Battery Strap were shipped a few hours ago. 😅 Very excited to test this thing myself.
omg those piano lessons are amazing! :D
VR and AR/MR are two different products and should be treated as such. I signed up for VR, exploring different environments and getting inside the worlds of my favorite games. I want to play big huge AAA games in worlds I am familiar with. That's what we were getting in the "golden age", that was what attracted me to VR. Those big huge worlds you could explore for hours, the Commonwealth, Skyrim, Pandora, in 3D so we really felt like we were there.
Then Meta pivoted to stand alone, the big familiar worlds became small unfamiliar worlds because of the limitations, and everybody said THIS IS BETTER.
Now another pivot, Meta has demonstrated no comittment to gaming and shifted focus to AR/MR to the point that all of the games are now jumping on board. Worlds get so small its actually just the inside of my house now.
The whole HMD is focused on it, a big waste if you have no interest in this OTHER product. Give me a Meta Rift X with the updated tracking, lenses, and controllers and start up a division focused on gaming, update the PC software that desperately needs it, and I'll back. In the mean time I'll keep playing my Rift S and my Q2 and watch for other players. The Q3 has nothing for me.
I don't know if I'll "guy" one but I'll definitely "buy" one. In fact, I just got it yesterday.
Best channel for vr content. Question if you own a quest 2 and 3 and you’re games library is on the quest2 and you what to keep it on quest 2 can you still share with it on quest3. And also can you play the same game together if you own both headsets but you only have purchased the game on quest 2 . And again great great content and no 🐂 💩 keep you the great work
your library will be on both headsets
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 yes but can you play the same game on both headsets if you only purchased it on one of the headset and thankyou for replying
cool review thanks but cant help noticing you saying about the new AV1 encoder but you were using HEVC in virtual desktop
I also stated I started with stock VD settings. Unfortunately that's the clip I chose to use. AV1 is where I got the latency down more
Nice to the point review.
But the amount of people with a RTX40X0 are still a small minority, you should really do extensive tests on the improvements(if any) to the non-AV1 codecs for PCVR use.
True, only about 4-5% i believe.
There is a lot to dial in there but a lot of my virtual desktop testing was on HVEC.
Nice video it was a real practically video! Thanks
*QUESTION*: Q3 face gasket seems extra deep compared to Q2. Is that correct? Does that mean even more reason we should get 3rd party one for better FOV?
i think its that deep for light bleed. your face is pretty darn close to the lens
Totally new to vr, Bought a custom Occulus 2 on Ebay yesterday, actually was not aware of the 3 coming out. But after watching a few reviews I might get the 3 later on, I think it might get better and the price might come down. And I may not even like vr gaming but I have my son who is interested, he is a hard core gamer. But he also has never tried vr.
It's My favorite review!
hey man great vid! loved your insight and honesty, you got my sub!
I see your using the 5Ghz frequency. I don't know if you have a Wifi 6E router yet but that 6 Ghz makes a HUGE difference (at least for me lol )and probably will solve these issues your having on godlike. Using my 4090 and with my Quest Pro running the 6 Ghz frequency with almost doubt the mbps you have, it's flawless on things like this so I expect, the Quest 3 should be the same as it also supports 6E.
I have a wifi 6e router. I was just messing with a bunch of different vd settings
Can't wait to get mine! Estimated delivery is Wednesday! But for some reason the estimated delivery for the elite strap (with battery) is a week later so I'll get to test out whether the stock strap is really that much better.
I hope this is a visual upgrade over PSVR2 or close to
I thoroughly enjoyed your review; it was quite insightful! However, I must correct you on one point: an Nvidia GTX 1060 isn't twice as powerful as the Quest 3's Snapdragon 8 Gen 2. The Nvidia GTX 1060 has around 4.37 teraflops of computing power, whereas the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 in the Quest 3 ranges between 2.5 to 3 teraflops. To be precise, if we take the higher value of 3 teraflops for the Quest 3, then the GTX 1060 is approximately 45.6% more powerful. On the other hand, if we go by the lower value of 2.5 teraflops, the GTX 1060 would be about 74.8% more powerful. Other than this minor correction, your video was fantastic!
it was meant as a literally x2 but close enough :)
@@Gamingwithmatteo311
No, that is not accurate @user-pf9jv1fl2n.
I am a former game coder and I am immune to marketing B.S. !! :)
Based on actual benchmarks (assuming Quest3 is 2x (in general use case) Quest2)
Quest 3 is about
1/3 of the performance of a GTX 1060
1/7 of the performance of a PS5.
1/60 of the performance of the RTX 4090
>> Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 in the Quest 3 ranges between 2.5 to 3 teraflops
These are intentionally misleading "peak performance" figures that every hardware company puts out when the launch a product.
Nvidia, AMD try the same thing.
Here is an example, remember this from last year ?
"GeForce RTX 4000 graphics cards will offer a two- to four-times performance increase over its last-generation GPUs" - Nvidia
Notice the similarities in wording. Leaving out key details, being vague what assumptions are being made etc.
What was the difference in actual frame rates from RTX 3000 vs RTX 4000?
It ranged from 77% (4090vs3090) , 56% (4080vs3080), 28% (4070vs3070), 21% (4060vs3060)
To make any definitive judgement we need to wait for actual benchmarks to be run.
If Q3 is really 2x (that is it delivers twice the frame rate of the same game on Quest2 (current clocks) ) then I would be very surprised and the engineers involved should have a statue erected in their honor for this achievement :)
Yes I would love to guy one
Great review, first one I decided to see. Gotta go to the trusted sources.
thank you, i appreciate that
Amazing balanced review Matteo!! You saved me from FOMO. In canada here including tax this is 734 which is way too expensive for mobile graphics to me. Pancake lenses is the only thing that interests me about this. Quest 2 are on ebay here for 200 cad dollars but I have tried quest 2 before and it was just very poor looking to me which is why pancake lense interests me
I'm currently concidering either uprgrading to a Quest 3, Bigscreen Beyond or waiting to see what Valve makes next.
Great review and great coverage on pcvr.
thank you Mat! now im decided 😆ill skip quest 3 for now since i have quest 2 and wait for the lite or 4 😆
10:39 Good points but it sounds like you wouldn't have been sold on VR till Half life aylix dropped as the first at home PCVR game that wasn't overpriced/scam on my Rift CV1 was Onward in 2019... Which I feel after seeing people play Quest 3 AR/MR games/gamemodes I feel we are there in 2019... So yeah maybe it will take you years to be sold on AR/MR and that's fine many people are not sold on VR and likely never will.
Yep, I got mine coming
Pass on "guying" a quest 3, at least for now. If you already own a quest 2. It would be far better to spend that money on a mid-range PC instead of a quest 3. You will get a far better experience.
I think I’m set on buying the quest 3, now I am only left with 2 questions that I haven’t seen that much coverage on:
1. Is the elite strap worth it, should I buy it right from the start?
2. Is 150 dollars extra for more storage actually worth it?
1. i would consider waiting for 3rd party options
2. tough one. I discussed this in my other video. 128gb might only hold 4 to 20 games. are you willing to delete and reinstall games over time
I haven't played RE4 VR yet, should I wait until I get Q3?
i haven't heard any specific updates for it but sure, why not
I really hope this will fix my eyes sore i get with quest 2 as i have to wiggle between 2-3 ipd slots
I really don't want to hate on Meta, I want to like them and I don't. If they want to be liked, they could start by getting some spokespersons. Watch old videos of Palmer or Carmack, you can feel the passion. Mark is a bad presenter, he is unlikable, doesn't seem attached to the product, and can't even get a chuckle out of an audience entirely on the payroll.
They could open up the Oculus game studio, for real no just one game. Instead of big flat screen Xbox in VR they could work on getting us a 3D perspective in those games. They could work on this AR stuff and put someone in charge of games. I'll start liking Meta when Meta starts doing stuff I like.
Are controllers the same besides the ring? Will AMVR straps fit there or the cover is different?
I actually mention this. They are the same except for the ring. Amvr has new straps though
@@Gamingwithmatteo311yeah, just wanted to make it clear that the battery cover is the same, cause some pins might be different and it won't fit at all. I have them on my quest 2, but want to upgrade some time next year. Thanks 😊
What do you recommend getting if i wanted to do pcvr mainly? Buy the quest 3 or a different headset entirely
quest 3.
This Nofio wireless adapter for the index will be obsolete 😆😆😆
Great review Matteo, I'm in no rush to get the Q3 I can wait for the games to get better and the price to come way down.
I got my Quest 3 today. Loving it so far. What do I use to safely wipe fog off of the lenses? Why in the world would Meta cheap out and not provide a microfiber cloth or whatever else they recommend?
Microfiber cloth is ideal
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Thank you sir.
I am new to VR and am picking up my Quest 3 tomorrow. I am wondering if you know which head straps and facial interfaces from 3rd party manufacturers have been announced. I want something really comfortable and most reviewers recommend replacing the stock head strap and some are also suggesting a different facial interface.
not many out yet.
Bobo has a strap and vrcover has something
I am dyeing to find out performance with a PCIe 6e card and Windows 11 hotspotting. Any incite? Oh and maybe how much over the ear headphones drain the battery.
Great video brother. Just started following you a few months ago. Keep it up!
Appreciate it!
awaiting meta Santa to deliver my questmass day surprise, q3 512Gb, elite battery strap and knuckle straps, quite excited, happy Questmass everyone.
😃😃😃
Curious as to what the video capture capabilities are on this.
Would love to be able to use it for capturing decent pcvr footage and allow my laptop to just concentrate on rendering games. Also would like to be able to capture decent quest footage without connecting to my pc and editing settings every time I reboot the device.
You're PCVR shots showed HEVC codec, did you try changing that to the AV1 codec in VD to take full advantage of that 4090?
yes i did. I should have picked better clips. That's how I got the latency lower.
Very helpful video. Any idea how the Quest 3 compares to the HP Reverb G2?
Not really but at minimum the lens are a nice upgrade
As a 3D Blu Ray viewer with Virtual Home Theater on steam, the lack of glare and higher resolution equals a SALE for me.
But the trade of is gray colors & lower contrast
@sherkhansher1981 the oled options are twice the price. Plus, 3d blu rays at 1080p non hdr only have so much contrast anyways.
@@eeeeyuke i will be trying Beyond in few weeks, can’t wait to watch 3D & 4K on it
@sherkhansher1981 reply again about the glare. I've heard it's atrocious on the beyond and for that price...it needs to be non existent. I've heard glare and God rays are better controlled on the Quest 3.
@@eeeeyuke I’ll probably be testing both. I do love my QPro’s optics, it’s like having a better parts of both LCD & OLED worlds, great contrast & colors without much glare. I just wish the resolution was higher on QPro.
Nice summary
10:10 Well played sir!
If you have the new HMD plugged in to the PC bis USB will the charge keep up, or will the battery eventually die like it did with the Q2? I think I was getting about 4.5 hours plugged in.
can you try the Quest 3 MR outside? I have not seen anyone report on this.
Also, I am telling myself the giant price leap for 512GB is to help offset the loss Meta is taking for selling the 128GB at that price
Controllers don't work outside and Meta really doesn't want your using these devices outside.
Yup the upcharge is all about making extra money
Good breakdown.
I really enjoyed Asgard’s Wrath, and I’m really excited for AW2, but bummed that it’s quest exclusive. Would you recommend getting a quest 3 mainly to play it? I would use it as a mobile vr device if I did end up buying it. I’m not planning to get it *just* for AW2, but I’m not going to get it for any other reason other than playing AW2. I currently have a valve index.
I'm let you know after I try it
I'm looking forward to trying PCVR. In case I missed it in a previous video, can you tell us what your specific Wi-Fi setup is? I upgraded to a Wi-Fi 6E mesh system a few months ago and I'm looking forward to trying it out.
I have 4090 pc wired to my wifi 6e router
I player about 10 feet away from the router
Nice. I will prolly have to upgrade my quest 2 to the 3, it just looks so nice.
12:30 you've used a wrong codec for that, you should have been using AV1 for 200 Mb goldlike, it would be better in stability, quality and latency. Don't understand why you didn't since you've got a 4090 and it supports AV1. You had >15 ms decode latency with HEVC, no suprise it felt worse.
I just chose a bad clip. Those are the stock VD setting. As I said I got latency down to 29ms
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Indeed, you are saying you used AV1 just seconds later, so it was confusing a bit, thanks for clearing this up! One more thing, I see other people saying that because displays are tilted there is more aliasing on straight lines, for example watching a movie in standalone mode the borders of the screen are aliasing hard. Did you notice anything like that in PCVR or supersampling just kills this problem completely?
@@Fiztex553 definitely didn't see it. I'll keep an eye out
Are the Pro controllers better than the standard Quest 3 plus controllers or are they not worth the extra??
I covered this in another video. I'm not a fan of the pro controllers and definitely don't think they are worth the money
You know it’s good if this meta heater is singing it’s praises.
Didn't know I heat meta
What do you think the Crystal is way more better than Quest 3? it means the picture quality it is soo much or just a little bit better?
honestly the quest 3 will be a better option for 95% of people
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Thanks this replay! i could buy Crystal but i think it won'T be so much better in the picture so i save a lot of money
Loool!!! So you are saying this is the headset I should jump in into? For context, my last vr headset was a gear vr (i don't even have the correct phone that is compatible with the headset anymore 😅😂😅)
Lol yes this would be a huge upgrade
hi Matteo! does it make the image better with AV1 codec? I’m using a Pico 4 for pcvr mods and am thinking whether the wifi6e and av1 improvement worth the upgrade
Av1 looks better at lower bit rates. So you can get better image quality or lower latency
The review I was waiting for!
Question Mateo, The tracking for Beatsaber... Is it better than Quest 2 or is it about the same?
Quest 2: Hitting boxes to the extreme upper left or right almost always results in a miss. Like most players, I've adapted by making sure I look physically closer to that box and physically strafe a bit (left to right) to keep that blind spot as small as possible. Its just not good enough. Does Q3 tracking improve on this or the same?
I'm not good enough at beat Saber to tell, it's feels slightly better for me
Thanks! @@Gamingwithmatteo311