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8:30 - Interestingly because of all the now "known issues" there are much greater odds that the same issues won't be there at the launch of Pimax's 12K QLED. Though because of Pimax's poor launch timing... problems experienced by Crystal and Portal are somewhat highly likely to be shared since there should have been a greater launch timing difference to help alieviate issues like what is discussed in the video. Wondefully because of Pimax's bad launch "window" of sometime in 2024, Pimax now has to get people who were already prepared to drop a couple thousand on a new headset to not reconsider and just give Apple Vision Pro, BigScreen, Index 2(?), Somnium VR, XTAL, or VARJO a shot.... I mean you OBVIOUSLY have a few thousand to even consider Pimax 12K QLED in the first place so... Pimax's ("New" Renowned Quality) or you know someone else. Maybe just maybe these things might help to reform Pimax into a more competent company that can actually admit when they've goofed up...
Rubbish to say that you don’t need to tinker with other Hmd’s. VR is and will be in a beta phase for a longer time. Simmers love to tinker with software. That’s why they love VR 😅
I have a Pimax 8KX, I've had it for 2 years but I waited 1 year before buying it, I think this is essential for a Pimax headset, early buyers are essentially testers.
The problem with this review is that you like go out and you try to find all the problems they have. For example you guys are showing all this distortion but I can't find it. Why should I go out looking for problems the average person may not even notice it unless you guys focus on it. That's probably the problem with a lot of UA-cam reviewers. Looking up problems for some people to find them and say yeah there it is makes no sense. Maybe you guys see it really fast but I can't find half the crap that you are talking about. Maybe I'm just stupid. I just want to enjoy any VR headset without searching out problems. All of VR headsets have some problems I would probably never look at any VR headset if we searched all the problems.
Sorry but these issues were immediately noticeable. Definitely no searching for problems here. It might just come down to how much experience with different headsets we have
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 I didn't have all those problems you talking about and it seems a lot of reviewers and owners don't seem to have as many problems as you guys pointed out they're enjoying their headset.
All VR headsets have problems and had problems and of course he's going to pick the index that's the only thing he really likes Brad. He should get a job working for valve. They were problems with HP reverb G2 and there still problems with it but that's the world of VR headsets. Unless you go with total standalone which don't have as many working parts
It would be good to chat to Steve - VR Flight Sim Guy, he has had a lot of experience with his and a lot to say. I think he tried the beyond a few months ago.
Pimax has always been a bit DIY to get it going 100%. Like the 8kx you needed to add an extra weight on the back to counter balance it. But at the end of the day their headsets are just the absolute best.
It has been rumored and most likely true that Bradley doesn't like crystal for a long time and actively asked people to send him negative experiences with the Crystal. He did not solicit positive experiences. So yea I wouldn't take this video review seriously.
As far as they've said "the hardware is good but software is missing" yet EVERYONE wanted it regardless. They complain on behalf of everyone but they don't realize it's not cyberpunk. The headset is usable. It will have more stuff.
guys, this is a highly trustworthy combination. Two people i appreciate for beeing authentic and - at least i think so - who are more on the consumer side, than buidling a hype train for sales. I would like to see more of this.
And plus the price is actually cheap compared to others without these options. If they get all the features working it be a super deal. But I guess we'll see.
It's over 1800€ in Europe. I wouldn't call that "cheap". Not with the shortcoming this thing has, like the extremely heavy weight (1100g? wtf where they thinking?) or the mandatory battery.
2000 euros in Europe because they don't include VAT in the price they advertise on their website and you need to add 100 euros for the DMAS speakers as the sound is terrible without it. Finally you have to add 100 euros for shipping. It's ridiculous for such a headset with so many drawbacks.
One of the most informative reviews re: Pimax Crystal. I have been dying - like you Matteo - to upgrade my Index since it's really dated and painful to use in DCS after a while, especially in air-air encounters. At the time when I got it at launch, it was truly the ultimate VR (still holding up if you ignore resolution) at a time when both the Rift and Vive had annoying drawbacks (Rift's subpar tracking but superb controllers compared to the Vive's superior base station tracking but stupid controllers). Let's hope the Deckard would be like the Index the ultimate VR although I am kinda starting to doubt it (pancake/aspheric optics, QLED/OLED display, min 2560x2560 resolution, foveated rendering, high FOV, IPD adjustment) for a reasonable price.. nah! unlikely 😕
DCS Flight simmer here... Just got my Crystal today to replace my Pico 4 and already want to reurn it. My Pico 4 replaced my G2. Also purchased a Quest 2 and Quest Pro but returned both. Just trying to find the right form fit and quality combo to make my experience memorable. So far Pico 4 still wins. Quest 2 was just to low res. Quest Pro, horribly uncomfortable and stll low res, but those Pro lenses were the best yet. Overall best to date, again is the Pico 4. Sure wish I could try that Beyond. Tempted to pre order.... hardware: 4090 with 13900k
I'm sticking with Quest Pro for the time being as the comfort was easily fixed with a top strap and local dimming is a great addition now. Shame about the low res though.
Great video guys... Getting my Crystal review unit very soon so its great to hear your thoughts! Also, I feel your pain on the @BigscreenVR Beyond... they gave me the same answer when I asked about a review unit... Honestly I'm not too bothered about it though because I really see this as the most Niche headset out there ATM.
Great information. I'm super keen to get one of these for sim racing but I'll wait ~12 months in the hopes they fix the issues and reduce the price. It's $3000 to get one in Australia currently.
put a VIVE pro on your face with a lens upgrade and you will be amazed.... my crystal is very diseppointing right now.... taking the lenses out and putting them in the VIVEPro 2 would be a option..
This is great man; definitely do more collaborations. You are two of the VR content creators I trust the most to keep me from wasting money on things which may need improvement:)
Fantastic collaboration. I feel like you guys complement and play off each other really well. Would definitely watch more! Shame about the headset. While I can appreciate Pimax's vision on some level, it sounds like they need to maybe reign in their ambition a bit and launch a really solid headset that actually sticks the landing.
The fundamental problem with Pimax as a company is they have _no minimum standard of quality_ on what they'll ship to customers. Their VR headsets are consistently more powerful than anything else on the market. But they'll ship stuff which is half baked. And this isn't just teething issues for a new product release. The mentality is pervasive throughout everything they do. So you get this combination of superlative capabilities and jank. It's frustrating because I think they really could eliminate the jank part, often without all that much additional effort. But for whatever reason they just don't. It's like they don't recognize this stuff as real problems. This could be because Pimax is out of touch with people who are _not_ their customers. Pimax employees are very passionate, and I believe they really do care. But I think the only customers they really talk to are hardcore enthusiasts who are willing and able to workaround the problems in their products. Since these enthusiasts have already resolved these issues for themselves, they don't complain about them much. Meanwhile, many other would be customers are being repelled by the same issues and just return Pimax or never buy it in the first place. I'd really like to see Pimax change its ways. There's so much they get right but they keep on foiling it with just a couple of bad habits that undermine themselves. It's frustrating!
Aero wasnt mentioned... its the main competitor to the Crystal. It works out of the box, the software is fabulous. Quest Pro is also very good and underatred. Lenses are amazing
@@JosephBag in my opinion, which may well count for nothing, anything with Fresnel lenses are worth avoiding. Its last gen tech and it's not a patch on the new pancake or aspheric lenses, just avoid pimax because they suck.
@@brettgrieves the lenses on the QPro are astonishing. I also currently have an 8kx and reverb G2 - both are back in their boxes. I was underwhelmed when I first got the Quest as the home screen resolution is sub par - same as Quest 2. But once I used it with Link and a 4090, the veil was lifted. I’m running max settings in AMS2 and it looks fantastic. I’m awaiting delivery of the Pimax Crystal which should look even better. I plan to use the Crystal for seated sims and the Quest Pro for standalone. Edit to add: the lenses are the key
The Bigscreen Beyond is not for me, I have 75mm IPD and it only goes to 72mm with its set sizes. I'm disappointed with many headsets, because they don't cater for large IPD's. When I got into VR in 2016, I had a Vive and then a Vive Pro, both of those went to 74mm, then manufactures started making smaller headsets. Currently my 8KX works for me, with the 70mm IPD + sortware adjustment to get to 75mm. I'm impressed with the PSVR2, it has IPD adjustment from 57mm to 75mm, eye tracking and foveated rendering, if PC VR had this, you would be raving about it at the low price of $800AUD.
I would spend my 💰 $1,600 on a RTX4090 rather than this Pimax Crystal. But, Really, I just can't see myself, paying that much for either of em. I am very happy with what I already have and use daily. I don't really need a new VR headset. I just want new games. Please, Give us more great games that make owning VR worth it. I bought the PSVR2 for the New Experience in the Exclusive games they offer. I ❤️ Horizon VR Call of the Mountain. Being in that environment was worth it to me. But, Gran Turismo 7 with my Sim Rig is the reason I kept it. 😉👌😁👍
24:12 I know this was recorded aa month ago but Boosted media a race simmer gear review channel has reviewed the prototype of the beyond and loved it saying the main con was it's personalized to the user and litterly no one else can use your Beyond... Also I think simmers are easly near 50% of all gamer VR users just based on how many tubers I seen use VR compared to VR for non sims... Which you said VR is a small part of MSFS 2020 I agree but that is not indictive of the rest of sims where it's seems like again 50/50 atleast like DCS may have the most opercint of VR users based on comments and forms and tubers.
Would be more interesting to see you have a discussion regarding this with someone from the simmer community. Steve, the VR flight Sim Guy would be a great contrast since he seems to love his.
He is only the flight sim guy, we need to hear from sim racing folks too. According to someone called Boosted Media(Sim racing guy with 200k subs), Crystal is still a pain in the ass to use from the software side and he did have experience with 8KX.
@@user-yy8ln9rg4s Yeah, definitely, but as I'm not involved in the racing sim community, I don't really know any content creators to suggest. Pimax software being a pain in the ass sounds pretty on brand to me, lol. But, to be fair, I have very similar experience with Meta software. It's never plug and play unless it's just standalone mode, and PC tethering seems to get worse with time.
@@user-yy8ln9rg4sI got it and used it on Assetto Corsa + PC2 + ACC + some other and I can tell you it's amazing!!!! It's really by far best Sim racing headset
Steve mostly cares about resolution. He doesn't see the other problems. I had issues with the small sweet spot when I tried it but Steve ignored that. I also kept banging the controllers on the massive headset. That's not an issue for simmers, so he didn't bother to mention that as a problem. Brad has the best review out there because he's not a simmer.
@@user-yy8ln9rg4s Even that Boosted Media guy got it wrong. He said he would have loved the Crystal if setup was easy which I think is a joke since it has so many other issues he didn't mention either because he is a simmer like Steve.
Hey Matteo! Yep, mine just came with a broken headstrap clip as well....They are sending me a new one. Also, my controllers keep disappearing in game. Like just stop working entirely. I love the visuals and will definitely keep it, it is just annoying. To Pimax's credit, they've been super responsive and helpful. You can tell they are really trying their best to make things right which I appreciate.
The controllers dropping is an issue that they are addressing now. We hope to see new updates to improve the stability soon. I recommend making sure the controllers are topped off, and starting the headset, while connected to the PC, before powering on the PC results in a more stable connection experience. I am glad to hear you will keep the product and i apologize for the inconvenience caused by the broken strap.
@@WhatsupAbroad .I am really looking forward to getting mine but I still have some worrys, I will be mostly playing DCS on an rtx4090 AND INTEL I9 i13900 SYSTEM and want to get 90fps on ultra settings if possible? Will also be getting MSFS , I want to get the best from these, do we know how Pimax are coming along with Eye Tracking and DFR , and will it work in DCS , as I understand DCS does not support DFR? Will Open XR be able to provide a solution? I think for a lot of people this could be a deal clincher or deal breaker :) Also have concerns about some users having to do multiple boots to get the thing to work. Hope Pimax come through on all these issues because they have such an awesome headset in the Crystal .
they also received a lot of pressure form pre order customers to just ship. I am loving mine OMG I have used many headsets and nothing comes close for siming other than maybe the Varjo
@nickcutting4556 Im not very experience with DCS myself. I primarily use our headsets for fitness games. Audio trip, beatsaber, pistol whip. etc. Shooters too. The 8kx is basically cheating in FPS games haha. I dont know if 90fps ultra is attainable without motion smoothing enabled as Im not too familiar with DCS. I actually had my first flight today. I enjoyed it until the guy helping me configure it decided to change my camera view repeatedly. Goodness that motion sickness came up out of nowhere with that move haha. it was fun though. Ill look into those questions and try to get back with a response.
I use mine for roomscale quite a lot. Pistol Whip, Half Life Alyx, beat saber, blade and sorcery, etc. The headset is well balanced and I can wear it for hours without issue.
You guys are spot on. You know how pimax comes up with the feature set? They have 20 guys in a room and they go around the table and say what should it do? and someone says "Lighthouse" and the next guy says "Stand alone" and the next guy shouts out "Eye Tracking" "FOV of 125" next guy says 35 ppd ! and so it goes for 5 min and at the end they all say OK let's do that!
Was looking forward to this vid since brad mentioned it, Crystal has to be one of the weirdest headsets out there, why have such high-end hardware and then add a whole android "Standalone" layer significantly increasing the weight of the headset then release it WITHOUT that feature. While the packaging can be blamed for the broken strap it really just means that was a weak point from the start and with the significant weight it's bound to end up broken. Thanks for the review and information. definitely would love to see more of that style of videos!
Hello Raven. The standalone functionality only added battery weight. A built in chip was already required for the inside out tracking anyways. We also advertised these features as NOT being available in the headset at launch when we first announced it more than a year ago. At every point in time along the way we have clearly communicated with our customer base that those features would not be available when the headset first started shipping. We are however looking to release the firmware enabling standalone in the next month or so.
The crystal has an identity crisis, it has no idea what it wants to be. Typical pimax over promises. They should have A. Stuck with pcvr, drop the B. Ran it without a battery C. Got all features working for launch and shipping. D. Resigned it..there is no need for the size. The aero is half the size with nearly the same tech in it
@brettgrieves The aero lacks many of the features we have implemented. And a full body redesign for each headset would have required us to run extra factories and significantly increased the end user cost. The standalone functionality is also demanded by all of our B2B partners, sales of which total nearly 25% of our total sales. Many use cases require the wireless functionality and inside out tracking. We also have multiple other models being developed on top of the Crystal mold. The Crystal is the base unit upon which several other headsets are being designed. Some of those may indeed drop the standalone mode and be PCVR only. The use of a single mold, same hardware, and same software means that we can devote 100% of our efforts towards refining the Crystal and all of those stability and performance improvements will apply directly to our other models. In fact the Crystal will be the best supported device we have ever made as it's functionality is the basis for all our other models. We are constantly rolling out updates to improve the user experience and those updates will all come together. We have some great stuff coming, some of which I believe will satisfy exactly what you just listed that you want.
@@WhatsupAbroad when is that LH plate coming?it should be nr one priority,the crystal tracking is bad as hell when the controllers even work,most of the time they just give up and unpair and needs a restart also the floor is wrong every single time,all of these are fixed with the lighthouse tracking
@@WhatsupAbroad Thing is, a large portion of your audience already utilize lighthouse and so far those who got the headset are saying the controller tracking is on par other headsets and is not suitable for titles requiring fast precise motions. on top of that in order to get LH tracking you have to add even more weight to the headset. the inside out feature is not something that's going to be used by many either way and I doubt it was worth making this one of the heaviest headsets in the consumer market.
Hi , I’m am currently a Varjo Aero owner. My question is , do you feel it would be worth the money to purchase the Crystal to get the extra FOV ? I also on an HP reverb G2 and I see no distortions or warping, when moving my head side to side. Does the Crystal do the same once fitted properly to your face ?
@@Dual1969 it's worth knowing too that reviewers haven't gotten close to the FOV pimax keeps advertising so you're probably not missing out on as much as you think
You say that there is a major drawback from every HMD compared to the Index when in my experience, the Aero is an upgrade in nearly every aspect, with no drawbacks in my eyes. The FOV is what everyone wants to bring up with the Index, but my measured FOV with the Aero is 108 horizontal which is the same FOV with the Index. The Aero from top to bottom is above average quality material, where Index is known to have cheaper parts that are riddled with breaking or issues (I have had 3 RMA's already within 8 months of owning the Index), customer support from Varjo is far beyond any other VR company, Aero weighs significantly less, it has auto IPD so the fit is perfect visually every time, the out of box comfort is the best of any HMD available unlike the Index which required a comfort kit, tilting the facial interface, and needs a front USB fan or between the eyes feel like its sitting on a volcano. Which brings up that the Aero has a built in fan, that I forgot was even there until I occasionally feel a nice refreshing breeze within the HMD. Plus you get to use whichever audio headphones you enjoy most and mic. For me, nothing beats open back Sennheiser headphones that seem to be made for the Aero since they fit one another flawlessly. Add on my wireless mod mic and you've got audio that can't be beat. The tracking uses the best part of the Index which are the 2.0 basestations and knuckle controllers. And the tracking is flawless as well. I've not once had tracking issues with the Aero over the 600+ hours of using one and I have a VR library of around 200 titles that I rotate evenly through. The Varjo software is top of the line as well and the Aero is supported by native SteamVR. And this all without mentioning the best part of the Aero, which is the lifelike visuals. The edge to edge clarity, 35PPD, around 4K resolution per eye, extremely bright, fantastic colors, huge sweet spot, no glare, no screen door, no funny issues like warping or screen tearing, etc. Plus the Aero is highly reliable and just works as intended. You put it on, turn on the pc and HMD, and you are in OBS recording without any tinkering or issues. Needless to say, the Aero has been legit near flawless for my wants and needs. I can't wait until all VR users get to experience what I've been fortunate to use for the last 7 months. I'm in VR 4-6 hours a day, and I'm always showing others my experiences via live streaming so others can get an idea and hopefully learn something while having fun. And every time the Aero gets put on, it's a mind blowing experience that never gets old. Even games I've played hundreds of hours, I catch myself just pausing and taking it all in as it truly is an amazing experience. I've only used my Index once since getting the Aero and all the flaws poured out and I can't see myself ever using the Index again. Varjo and the Aero deserve more recognition and hopefully the incredible technology is mainstream sooner than later because, WOW. Sorry for the long message. Cheers!
Atm I'm only interested in PCVR. I'm not gonna buy a PS5 to play VR. I do not at all care about playing mobile games in a headset(I've had the Rift S and put 2500 hours on it until it broke). I've had 2 quest 2's and the compression just makes PCVR feel like crap. We can't get the index in Norway, though with the amount of basestations and controllers you run through using that thing I'm not sure I'd bother either way, even with our very consumer protecting by-law national warranty laws, it's just a hazzle to have to send stuff in and get it repaired/swapped all the time. Not to mention I haven't seen a single PCVR game where the forums aren't slap full of people complaining about features not working on the index controllers. But, as Matt mentions, the biggest reason I can't be bothered to actually buy another headset is just, there's no software(mainly games) worth buying one for. The landscape is so barren and dried out.
Have you considered the Pico Neo 3 Link? It's a PCVR headset with an actual DP 1.4 support. It can also do standalone. It is much cheaper than the Pico 4 and the Quest 2 at the moment.
We're at the point now in VR where I really think future headsets all need to offer some form of eye tracking - whether that means it's built-in or an attachment piece - for under $1000 USD. PSVR2 has the right idea for future proofing their headset and supporting foveated rendering for performance improvements. I don't think I'll be upgrading from my current VR setup (nearly 3 years old now) until something like that comes out.
Big supporter and enjoyed the video but how do you not mention the varjo aero as an alternative? It’s my current replacement for my valve index. Have you given that a good amount of time b/c it’s great. Super comfortable, high quality build, great lens. Yes FOV isn’t as big but big enough. Audio not built in which is the other gripe but headphones can be plugged in. You should comment on that as I’m sure other high end VR folks like myself are prob thinking the same. It’s the clear alternative until big screen gets in people’s hands although the aero still has better visuals.
Time to get one. Hard to judge and rate the field without experiencing one of the big time players out there. Would be well worth your time especially since this seems to be a pretty serious VR UA-cam channel.
That's very unfortunate. I believe you would have enjoyed our Crystal far more. If you get a chance try one out sometime. You might end up regretting your decision.
@@WhatsupAbroad I got my Crystal but aside from the plastic lenses being bad, I'm also having a couple of issues that I haven't seen fixes for yet. First, the sound sometimes doesn't play on the headset and I have to reboot the headset and/or restart the pimax services to get it working again. Second, the pimax experience home software was nice when I tried it but now it won't load after I changed the setting to not display the desktop window. I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling to no avail. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
@@HUSTLEONLY-kz5bfNah, should be sooner since Pimax claims there will finally be a Pimax 12K QLED for demoing at CES 2024, again... so lots of free press on how unfinished or fantastic it really is, since they would seem to be based on the same software.
I want to thank you for your honesty . This headset is a lot of money for some people and when Fan Boys in the Flight community just want to get likes, it really makes me very upset. Great Collab.
Your the first Pimax reveiwer to fully arctulate what is wrong with Pimax headsets thank you... and to add ... Why can't they stick with products like Meta some how has? Like my OG rift works fine even today so why would I get a Pimax 5K super when it just got retreed? Which the portable PC VR device seems fun only if it was PC VR like the Steam deck is a PC... Like it's adirmal for a new company to try to make an OG console. But only Microsoft has been even remotely successful and they might pull out by 2030 the rest and there have been many have failed horribly.
Bigscreen Beyond needs eye tracking and foveated rendering to be useful for the flight sim community. I will not replace my Aero with the Beyond without it.
At AWE I made sure to try the Varjo XR3 then the Pimax Crystal. The Varjo XR3 is well balanced, no pixels at all, smooth framerate, mediocre FOV, and has eye tracking, but I didn't like the color saturation at all. The Pimax Crystal is literally crystal clear, good color saturation, a good horizontal FOV and especially vertical, and has eye tracking. I did encounter a stutter when following a ship that was flying by but maybe that was because they were using a 4070. The Crystal is definitely built for simmers because like Bradley said, after a while it will possibly put strain on your neck from the weight even though it's balanced well. I think it's subjective to what problems are noticeable so everyone will have an opinion especially the ones who look for problems instead of enjoying the experience. Either way they're both great headsets.
it's not never, just extremely rare. I've spent 5+ hours straight in Asgard's wrath before but just wait to see what life is like when you are an adult
Had my reverb g2 since 2020 best purchase ever as a pcvr gamer. 600$ at launch built in speaker inside out tracking the full package with a resolution that is aging well 😊 no reason to upgrade for another two years it seems
Great vid Matteo311! Re: Manufacturers possibly not thinking you are important, I actually value your review opinions much more than most other reviewers because I know you are telling it straight up and not sugarcoating it. You dive into the guts of something and figure out what is good and what is bad and do not defer to putting a positive spin on a product and that matters a lot in my opinion.
Interesting review, thanks for going so in depth! $1600 is a lot of cash to sink in to a product that has the potential to be good... that a tethered headset requires a battery to work is like, the worst of both worlds! Really good to see you working with SadlyItsBradly!
The headset is also a standalone capable device with built in wireless capabilities. We should be releasing the firmware to enable that in the next month or so. All of these features were advertised at our official launch event as NOT being available at launch. We were very clear that these features wouldn't be in the product when the first customers received it.
@PeVoNZ For users who are not familiar with our brand I would recommend waiting until after the pre-order period. Users are under no obligation to participate in the Early Adoption phase. I will very happily suggest waiting a little bit for more stability improvements to make a purchase. For those familiar with our brand and who have purchased before I believe they trust our expertise and our quality of service. We work hard to make sure our customers are satisfied, and I think that some of our official responses to this initial shipping hassles show that. Imo however, even at 1600 USD our headset is a great deal even if it didn't have those extra features at all. With only inside out tracking, PCVR over cable, and auto IPD it is already a better deal than the Aero. 700 dollars cheaper, before basestations and controllers and audio are added to the Aero price, and we include the controllers, batteries, audio, etc in the box with a wider fov, local dimming support, and better colors and clarity. The extra features simply improve the value proposition of the headset. The base features which are already activated are truly priced very aggressively in the marketplace. However it is our job to deliver on our promises and all extra features will be added as soon as we possibly can and users will receive the best customer support we can muster. We are very thankful for our passionate user base and their willingness to participate with us at this early stage.
@88najsf-rs2rm We are currently working through the pre-orders, but right now the demand exceeds our production capacity. We are doubling production capacity weekly so we should be finished with most of the original pre-orders by the end of the month. Recent pre-orders will likely ship sometime next month, which isn't a bad thing. Those units shipped next month will likely come with the Auto-ipd and standalone firmwares installed out of the box.
This is so disappointing. Two of my favourite vr guys are grilling all my hopes and dreams for my most anticipated hmd 😭. I just got the email from pimax to complete my order, and I've been waiting so hard for that, being super excited, and now I'm thinking about cancelling the order. I wish pimax just could wait until the holiday season to release a polished product with everything that they've promised instead of this mess. I would also like to have the lighthouse face plate, the wide lenses and the wigig module (wireless adapter they've been promising). I don't see a point in getting the crystal with half the functions and without accessories just to wait for an unknown period of time before I can fully use it. What a shame pimax, you are so close to deliver the perfect hmd imo, but had to rush things and mess it up.
Sorry guys, putting the Index at the top of PC-VR Headsets on the fith of July in 2023 is just ridiculous with the low resolution and terrible glare / god rays! No really serious person can recommend the Index anymore, especially not as first choice. How much did META pay you for this embarassing rant?
Ok a couple things. The video didn't come out on July 5th Why would Meta pay us to promote the index. That makes 0 sense. Also I state I wouldn't recommend anyone get the index in 2023 plus I also mention how bad the God rays are. In terms of resolution even though quest 2, pro and Pico have higher res screens, the games run at lower resolutions than the index. The index is a great overall package and that's why we still love it. It has it all. Fov, comfort, great audio and excellent tracking. Nothing beats it in every category
Was a great video Definitely would like to see more as I watch both of you already separately and think you both have great ways of looking at VR and the industry
I've have the Crystal for around 1 week. It was a little difficult to get tuned in. Once I did, it is the most amazing machine I've played. I have the quest 2, quest pro. This machine plays my games perfectly! And pimax has been releasing software updates and things are moving along. The headset experience in Half-life alex is worth the money alone!!! It's like playing it for the first time ever and at a totally different level than any other headset out there
Doesn't the small sweet spot bother you? It was a bit of a shock trying the Crystal after owning the Quest Pro which has the whole lens as the sweet spot.
It's a shame that Matteo still hasn't gotten the chance to try the Beyond. If they are still that short on review units, I can't imagine Q3 2023 is a reality for launch date, it starts next month.
I can't even connect mine to my pc and a piece broke where it holds the headband when it came in lol props to them though because they have been very involved with my trouble ticket 😂 and now a second one is on its way
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 oh my God lol I was gonna do an unboxing and had the video planned out. Then bam, broken piece and sent a ticket for that. Plugged it in and won't work no matter what, and sent another ticket for that. Now I have a replacement front plate for that broken piece, and a whole new headset on its way. 😩
@Gamingwithmatteo311 That really sucks. On the plus side we redesigned the boxes and that shouldn't be an issue moving forward. Sorry for the inconvenience that caused you.
@JonForshort I'm sorry to hear that you had received a broken unit. That is very unfortunate. We have redesigned our boxes and that shouldn't happen again. As for the unit connection issue I reccommend that you turn on the headset before you power on your PC. While already connected. For reasons this results in a more stable connection experience. To prolong battery life we recommend using the power hub, but there is also the ability to charge the headset while in use through the usb-c on the right side of the headset. Some Arcades we are working with use this method to extend the battery life of the various wireless headsets they use including our Crystal.
@@WhatsupAbroad yeah we tried everything and anything. I was with pimax support with a technician from 1230am to 2:30am because I had to match Beijing hours here in Texas.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 It's still too expensive, and local dimming isn't quite as nice as OLED, but I'm enjoying my Quest Pro, and certainly can't go back to my Quest 2. :D
Good content, thanks for being completely transparent with the Crystal. It's not a finished product, you ARE a beta tester for at least the next 6 months with the Crystal.
The "missing" features from our Crystal were all advertised at launch, more than a year ago, as not being available at launch. It was in our very first announcement of the product.
@joshuason-pimax1025 That doesn't really change what his comment means though. The Crystal is not a feature-complete headset and it's available to purchase now, on top of a host of other issues for systems that are supposed to be working. The software is still getting bug fixed, the controllers still have critical firmware in the works, people are getting random quality components in the box, etc. It's extremely half baked, who would genuinely recommend this at this point in time?
I don't get it, is it heavier than what's announced ? Index is 810 gram, Crystal was announced 845g ( with headstrap, but no battery ) ... Does it feel so much heavier than the index ? I know that wide hammer shark head shape is not really balanced, but is it less confortable than an 8KX ( also 850 g with headstrap ) ?
It's definitely a lot more than 845 grams, it measured about 1165 for me and feels much heavier than the index. My index is 760, I just recently weighed it.
Nice collab and good overview of the most pressing issues. But more talk should have been spend on how they are blatantly selling it with bullshit specs. They claim horizontal fov of 125° yet it's only 102° at best. Crystal weighs nearly 1.2Kg, when they claim
Great video. I would not buy a Pimax HMD any time soon as this has happened multiple times on their launches. It is a shame really because I love new HMD innovations in the market.
My two favorite VR content creators. Bar none. Absolute top. The only two that are truly honest and never tarnish that principle by bowing to either the mob or corporate. If kiwi became absolute shit or became truly anti-consumer, Matteo has integrity and knows what to do.
now THIS is the content we want from you Matteo! In depth, detailed review, with another VR enthusiast and dude who knows his stuff. This is extremely helpful for the VR community and would love more of this type of content. Cheers!
@@kangjames2492 really? what don't you like about it? It really is everything I wanted from VR and more. I have no complaints at all which is rare for a VR HMD to check all my boxes.
@farmertrueVR The binocular overlap is bad. There's a translucent V in my field of view because of the lense design. The fov is too small, especially verticaly. Red shift and chromatic aberration is a problem, and turning from right to left produces minute micro stutter. Still no local dimming nor dynamic foviated rendering. I won't even mention the mic and headphones.
@@kangjames2492 I guess my face is ideal for the Aero. My measured FOV is 108H x 78V which is far more than I expected. I've not once thought "this FOV needs to be larger". On other headsets you get this binocular vision but not on the Aero. I've not experienced the translucent V nor any micro stutters. I have seen the red shift but that was only because I was purposely trying to create that issue to see what others were talking about. It's not anything I would have ever noticed unless I dfidn't hear about it from others and purposely tried to see it. Local dimming isn't coming to the Aero but dynamic foveated rendering is already available. There isn't a need for local dimming but it would be nice as would most additional features. You should mention the mic and headphones. It's one of the reasons I prefer the Aero over other HMDs. With the Aero it allows me to utilize my preferred mic and headphones. All Built in audio solutions in VR HMD's are not on the level that I'm able to use with my Aero. Open back Sennheiser headphones and wireless mod mic from Antlion pair perfectly with the Aero and thankful they didn't add built in like other HMDs. Sounds to me like the Aero just isn't your HMD. Thankfully I don't have the issues with mine that you have. Like I said, the Aero is exactly what I've been wanting from VR and then some. I can't wait until this quality of HMD is more widely available because it is special.
@@farmertrueVR I agree and share the love of the Aero. Certainly not flawless but is as high rez a headset available without the foundational issues of the Crystal. Too bad these two VR gurus haven't owned Aeros to form a knowledgeable opinion. But I would buy the Deckard on a rumor. Make it happen Bradly.
What, Index is almost half the weight of the Crystal (17:17), seriously? Index is 809 grams, and Crystal is 960 grams with the battery, that's like 150 gr difference, and Crystal actually feels better since the battery acts as a counterbalance. It's funny that bradley hates weight the most about Crystal and loves the Index, i don't know what to think, it's fine to dislike things over others, but blatantly lie is the worsts thing for a youtuber, unsubscribed.
I really appreciate this video, especially the comparisons that you guys made with the beyond. I can't wait to hear how other youtubers like MRTV compare the Beyond with the Crystal. I have been leaning towards getting the Beyond ever since the early recipients of the Crystal have been reporting major issues on reddit and youtube.
I have a feeling this is a disingenuous, unfair, deliberately biased video. I saw another video that mentioned a youtuber(unnamed) that was deliberately seeking out only negative information regarding Pimax in order to confirm their bias....that was this channel wasn't it? There's a video here on youtube that shows a guy going from box to gameplay in less than two minutes called "Is Pimax Crystal VR Headset really that hard to set up and use?" It kind of shows how ridiculous or technologically incompetent some of these pimax haters really are. Sure there could be unique issues but this is how my experience with Pimax has been through three headsets. Maybe I am just special but I don't seem to have any of these nightmare issues one or two people on youtube seem to have.
Your feelings mean nothing in the face of facts. I showed how pimax delivered two broken headsets and its a very know issue. Pimax also confirmed their software has issues with the rtx 4090. Do you have a 4090? They also just pushed a software update to correct the floor position issue. And the biggest issue is the weight. 1.2 kilos is pretty insane when all new headsets are getting lighter and lighter. I doubt I'll see a response back because there is nothing you can say
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Here's my response: You're a clown. I sure do have a 4090 and I am far from a Pimax fanboy. I agree with some of your criticism including the weight but the fact that you can't find one good thing to say about a headset that has the best display in the history of mankind that is probably a thousand dollars cheaper than the nearest competitor when you factor in base stations, controllers, and audio says more about you, your channel, and your ability to be a fair and balanced "reviewer" than anything you could ever say about Pimax. Stick with a quest 2 bud.
Did anyone really believe Pimax wouldn't screw up this launch? They have Apple aspirations but aliexpress level of execution. Pimax never changes what ewaste they produce and market with utterly bullshit specs, like they claim 125hfov when it doesn't even reach 105hfov.
Thanks guys, really enjoyed this chat. Was thinking about the Pimax Crystal for MSFS, which is does have it's merit, after all said and done it is the clearest display in VR and you can't really put a price on that but I declined to get one for the simple reason I don't want to ignore the rest of the VR industry and I feel buying a VR headset just to sim it like ridng a bike only in the dark. I need more. Coming from a HP Reverb G2, I'll probably buy the Quest 3, it has comparable resolution, better lenses, tracking and software and hopefully should reconnect me to the type of VR experiences I enjoyed with the CV1.
Pimax should be doing better, something about their business model has them skipping steps and hoping things work out instead of addressing issues and changing things that don’t work to more simple and effective. I feel they should just focus on ONE thing and do it right . They have the skills , just not executing plans well and keeps hurting reputation . Some think scamming, I think they trying but feel pressure and don’t just do best they can do with one headset to counteract years of awesome stuff … BUT … lol . Hope they figure out this push , they kinda surprising still banging away after the amount of fail so I respect them trying for sure . Just gotta buckle down so one thing “ perfect “ as possible .
My two favorite vr content creators joined forces. Even If I hated you both, that was very enjoyable. Thank you for that. Very chill and informative. Next time bring some LOFI XD
I like this collab because you guys both tell it like it is. The only thing they should've focused on is a high res high fov pcvr headset with eyetracking. Standalone is waste of time because the headset is just too big, they will never have a decent library, games would probably look like sh*t because there is no way that an XR2 can push that many pixels and the battery probably won't last more then 30 mins if you need one in wired mode.
Versus the Valve Index, the Bigscreen Beyond has more clarity and better comfort. But then it has a substantially smaller FOV and lacks built in speakers. Having to BYOA (Bring Your Own Audio) and wear headphones over a VR headset sucks. Like Matteo mentioned, it's very frustrating that 4 years later, nobody has released a VR headset which is the equal or better of the Index across the board. The Index got it right. It wasn't ahead of its time. It's that all these subsequent VR headsets have had bad product decisions that really miss the mark. It's like they don't learn from or build upon the Index. The Quest 2 sells because its cheap. It offers a lesser experience at a lesser price point. It's like 80-90% of the Index experience for half the price. 4 years later, at least one company should be selling a VR headset (the whole kit, not just headset alone) which is better than the Index across the board for $800. Some people like Bradley are saying the Beyond is finally replacing the Index for them. But it's only barely, and _it's twice as expensive as the Index_. 4 years later. 4. Years. Later.
The Bigscreen weighs 127 grams (compared to around 1200 grams for the Pimax Crystal) , BUT only has 105° FOV and no eyetracking. Plus, the Bigscreen has to be customized for ONLY YOU.
It's nice to see that people still love their Index's. ❤And me as well. Even with the lower resolution and the strong glare, comparing to newer HMDs, i think the Valve Index still performes great as a VR allrounder.
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Good thing i cancelled and went for Bigscreen Beyond
8:30 - Interestingly because of all the now "known issues" there are much greater odds that the same issues won't be there at the launch of Pimax's 12K QLED. Though because of Pimax's poor launch timing... problems experienced by Crystal and Portal are somewhat highly likely to be shared since there should have been a greater launch timing difference to help alieviate issues like what is discussed in the video. Wondefully because of Pimax's bad launch "window" of sometime in 2024, Pimax now has to get people who were already prepared to drop a couple thousand on a new headset to not reconsider and just give Apple Vision Pro, BigScreen, Index 2(?), Somnium VR, XTAL, or VARJO a shot.... I mean you OBVIOUSLY have a few thousand to even consider Pimax 12K QLED in the first place so... Pimax's ("New" Renowned Quality) or you know someone else.
Maybe just maybe these things might help to reform Pimax into a more competent company that can actually admit when they've goofed up...
@@ji3200Why BigScreen VR, and not Vajo, XTAL, or someone else since it's only a preorder?
@@paulct91 bigscreen spec is much better than vajo. OLED panel, bigger fov, more comfortable, bigger sweet spot lense and half the price than vajo
Rubbish to say that you don’t need to tinker with other Hmd’s. VR is and will be in a beta phase for a longer time. Simmers love to tinker with software. That’s why they love VR 😅
What tinkering do you need to do on a standalone headset. The vast majority of quest owners never connect it to a pc
DO IT MORE OFTEN!! Two of my favorite creators out there
I have a Pimax 8KX, I've had it for 2 years but I waited 1 year before buying it, I think this is essential for a Pimax headset, early buyers are essentially testers.
I find this video generic,but ok...for VR content i dont follow any of this two.
And it seems it will stay that way 🥂
lol
Agreed
The problem with this review is that you like go out and you try to find all the problems they have. For example you guys are showing all this distortion but I can't find it. Why should I go out looking for problems the average person may not even notice it unless you guys focus on it. That's probably the problem with a lot of UA-cam reviewers. Looking up problems for some people to find them and say yeah there it is makes no sense. Maybe you guys see it really fast but I can't find half the crap that you are talking about. Maybe I'm just stupid. I just want to enjoy any VR headset without searching out problems. All of VR headsets have some problems I would probably never look at any VR headset if we searched all the problems.
Sorry but these issues were immediately noticeable. Definitely no searching for problems here. It might just come down to how much experience with different headsets we have
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 I didn't have all those problems you talking about and it seems a lot of reviewers and owners don't seem to have as many problems as you guys pointed out they're enjoying their headset.
@borg2dog I find that hard to believe especially since pimax confirmed these issues
Agreed these guys arent trustworthy when it comes to VR reviews. Id stay away from their suggestions, red flags everywhere.
@@vakralen7950 lol how so.
All VR headsets have problems and had problems and of course he's going to pick the index that's the only thing he really likes Brad. He should get a job working for valve. They were problems with HP reverb G2 and there still problems with it but that's the world of VR headsets. Unless you go with total standalone which don't have as many working parts
I love this collab! So cool to see Matteo and Bradly working together!
It would be good to chat to Steve - VR Flight Sim Guy, he has had a lot of experience with his and a lot to say. I think he tried the beyond a few months ago.
He hasn't tried the Beyond yet but he has one on the way!
Agreed if trust his opinion over these guys any day
@@datruth9607 I've just come across this comment, thankyou so much that means a lot.
Pimax has always been a bit DIY to get it going 100%. Like the 8kx you needed to add an extra weight on the back to counter balance it. But at the end of the day their headsets are just the absolute best.
It has been rumored and most likely true that Bradley doesn't like crystal for a long time and actively asked people to send him negative experiences with the Crystal. He did not solicit positive experiences. So yea I wouldn't take this video review seriously.
I didn't believe him either until I tried it for myself.
As far as they've said "the hardware is good but software is missing" yet EVERYONE wanted it regardless. They complain on behalf of everyone but they don't realize it's not cyberpunk. The headset is usable. It will have more stuff.
Conspiracy theorist much. Pimax isn’t that good at all, i have one, its a proper pain the arse, a night time flying is diabolical in low lit areas
guys, this is a highly trustworthy combination. Two people i appreciate for beeing authentic and - at least i think so - who are more on the consumer side, than buidling a hype train for sales. I would like to see more of this.
And plus the price is actually cheap compared to others without these options. If they get all the features working it be a super deal. But I guess we'll see.
It's over 1800€ in Europe. I wouldn't call that "cheap". Not with the shortcoming this thing has, like the extremely heavy weight (1100g? wtf where they thinking?) or the mandatory battery.
2000 euros in Europe because they don't include VAT in the price they advertise on their website and you need to add 100 euros for the DMAS speakers as the sound is terrible without it. Finally you have to add 100 euros for shipping. It's ridiculous for such a headset with so many drawbacks.
One of the most informative reviews re: Pimax Crystal. I have been dying - like you Matteo - to upgrade my Index since it's really dated and painful to use in DCS after a while, especially in air-air encounters.
At the time when I got it at launch, it was truly the ultimate VR (still holding up if you ignore resolution) at a time when both the Rift and Vive had annoying drawbacks (Rift's subpar tracking but superb controllers compared to the Vive's superior base station tracking but stupid controllers).
Let's hope the Deckard would be like the Index the ultimate VR although I am kinda starting to doubt it (pancake/aspheric optics, QLED/OLED display, min 2560x2560 resolution, foveated rendering, high FOV, IPD adjustment) for a reasonable price.. nah! unlikely 😕
DCS Flight simmer here... Just got my Crystal today to replace my Pico 4 and already want to reurn it. My Pico 4 replaced my G2. Also purchased a Quest 2 and Quest Pro but returned both. Just trying to find the right form fit and quality combo to make my experience memorable. So far Pico 4 still wins. Quest 2 was just to low res. Quest Pro, horribly uncomfortable and stll low res, but those Pro lenses were the best yet. Overall best to date, again is the Pico 4. Sure wish I could try that Beyond. Tempted to pre order....
hardware: 4090 with 13900k
I'm sticking with Quest Pro for the time being as the comfort was easily fixed with a top strap and local dimming is a great addition now. Shame about the low res though.
Great video guys... Getting my Crystal review unit very soon so its great to hear your thoughts! Also, I feel your pain on the @BigscreenVR Beyond... they gave me the same answer when I asked about a review unit... Honestly I'm not too bothered about it though because I really see this as the most Niche headset out there ATM.
Great information. I'm super keen to get one of these for sim racing but I'll wait ~12 months in the hopes they fix the issues and reduce the price.
It's $3000 to get one in Australia currently.
put a VIVE pro on your face with a lens upgrade and you will be amazed.... my crystal is very diseppointing right now.... taking the lenses out and putting them in the VIVEPro 2 would be a option..
This is great man; definitely do more collaborations. You are two of the VR content creators I trust the most to keep me from wasting money on things which may need improvement:)
Fantastic collaboration. I feel like you guys complement and play off each other really well. Would definitely watch more!
Shame about the headset. While I can appreciate Pimax's vision on some level, it sounds like they need to maybe reign in their ambition a bit and launch a really solid headset that actually sticks the landing.
The fundamental problem with Pimax as a company is they have _no minimum standard of quality_ on what they'll ship to customers. Their VR headsets are consistently more powerful than anything else on the market. But they'll ship stuff which is half baked. And this isn't just teething issues for a new product release. The mentality is pervasive throughout everything they do. So you get this combination of superlative capabilities and jank.
It's frustrating because I think they really could eliminate the jank part, often without all that much additional effort. But for whatever reason they just don't. It's like they don't recognize this stuff as real problems.
This could be because Pimax is out of touch with people who are _not_ their customers. Pimax employees are very passionate, and I believe they really do care. But I think the only customers they really talk to are hardcore enthusiasts who are willing and able to workaround the problems in their products. Since these enthusiasts have already resolved these issues for themselves, they don't complain about them much. Meanwhile, many other would be customers are being repelled by the same issues and just return Pimax or never buy it in the first place.
I'd really like to see Pimax change its ways. There's so much they get right but they keep on foiling it with just a couple of bad habits that undermine themselves. It's frustrating!
Aero wasnt mentioned... its the main competitor to the Crystal. It works out of the box, the software is fabulous. Quest Pro is also very good and underatred. Lenses are amazing
Quest Pro also more gpu friendly.
@@JosephBag in my opinion, which may well count for nothing, anything with Fresnel lenses are worth avoiding. Its last gen tech and it's not a patch on the new pancake or aspheric lenses, just avoid pimax because they suck.
Quest Pro soon will have outdated screen resolution. It has to be 2160p or 2560p is the next gen
@@brettgrieves The Aero didn’t work ‘out of the box’ for me, I returned mine, and have read about lots of others who did the same.
@@brettgrieves the lenses on the QPro are astonishing. I also currently have an 8kx and reverb G2 - both are back in their boxes. I was underwhelmed when I first got the Quest as the home screen resolution is sub par - same as Quest 2. But once I used it with Link and a 4090, the veil was lifted. I’m running max settings in AMS2 and it looks fantastic. I’m awaiting delivery of the Pimax Crystal which should look even better. I plan to use the Crystal for seated sims and the Quest Pro for standalone. Edit to add: the lenses are the key
The Bigscreen Beyond is not for me, I have 75mm IPD and it only goes to 72mm with its set sizes. I'm disappointed with many headsets, because they don't cater for large IPD's. When I got into VR in 2016, I had a Vive and then a Vive Pro, both of those went to 74mm, then manufactures started making smaller headsets. Currently my 8KX works for me, with the 70mm IPD + sortware adjustment to get to 75mm. I'm impressed with the PSVR2, it has IPD adjustment from 57mm to 75mm, eye tracking and foveated rendering, if PC VR had this, you would be raving about it at the low price of $800AUD.
Yeah I was going to say barely anything good that high
You saved my money! THX! Waiting for the Deckard or something else better, maybe a Varjo Aero!?
I would spend my 💰 $1,600 on a RTX4090 rather than this Pimax Crystal.
But, Really, I just can't see myself, paying that much for either of em.
I am very happy with what I already have and use daily.
I don't really need a new VR headset.
I just want new games.
Please, Give us more great games that make owning VR worth it.
I bought the PSVR2 for the New Experience in the Exclusive games they offer. I ❤️ Horizon VR Call of the Mountain. Being in that environment was worth it to me. But, Gran Turismo 7 with my Sim Rig is the reason I kept it. 😉👌😁👍
24:12 I know this was recorded aa month ago but Boosted media a race simmer gear review channel has reviewed the prototype of the beyond and loved it saying the main con was it's personalized to the user and litterly no one else can use your Beyond... Also I think simmers are easly near 50% of all gamer VR users just based on how many tubers I seen use VR compared to VR for non sims... Which you said VR is a small part of MSFS 2020 I agree but that is not indictive of the rest of sims where it's seems like again 50/50 atleast like DCS may have the most opercint of VR users based on comments and forms and tubers.
Would be more interesting to see you have a discussion regarding this with someone from the simmer community. Steve, the VR flight Sim Guy would be a great contrast since he seems to love his.
He is only the flight sim guy, we need to hear from sim racing folks too. According to someone called Boosted Media(Sim racing guy with 200k subs), Crystal is still a pain in the ass to use from the software side and he did have experience with 8KX.
@@user-yy8ln9rg4s Yeah, definitely, but as I'm not involved in the racing sim community, I don't really know any content creators to suggest.
Pimax software being a pain in the ass sounds pretty on brand to me, lol. But, to be fair, I have very similar experience with Meta software. It's never plug and play unless it's just standalone mode, and PC tethering seems to get worse with time.
@@user-yy8ln9rg4sI got it and used it on Assetto Corsa + PC2 + ACC + some other and I can tell you it's amazing!!!!
It's really by far best Sim racing headset
Steve mostly cares about resolution. He doesn't see the other problems. I had issues with the small sweet spot when I tried it but Steve ignored that. I also kept banging the controllers on the massive headset. That's not an issue for simmers, so he didn't bother to mention that as a problem. Brad has the best review out there because he's not a simmer.
@@user-yy8ln9rg4s Even that Boosted Media guy got it wrong. He said he would have loved the Crystal if setup was easy which I think is a joke since it has so many other issues he didn't mention either because he is a simmer like Steve.
Hey Matteo! Yep, mine just came with a broken headstrap clip as well....They are sending me a new one. Also, my controllers keep disappearing in game. Like just stop working entirely. I love the visuals and will definitely keep it, it is just annoying. To Pimax's credit, they've been super responsive and helpful. You can tell they are really trying their best to make things right which I appreciate.
The controllers dropping is an issue that they are addressing now. We hope to see new updates to improve the stability soon. I recommend making sure the controllers are topped off, and starting the headset, while connected to the PC, before powering on the PC results in a more stable connection experience. I am glad to hear you will keep the product and i apologize for the inconvenience caused by the broken strap.
@@WhatsupAbroad .I am really looking forward to getting mine but I still have some worrys, I will be mostly playing DCS on an
rtx4090 AND INTEL I9 i13900 SYSTEM and want to get 90fps on ultra settings if possible? Will also be getting MSFS , I want to get the best from these, do we know how Pimax are coming along with Eye Tracking and DFR , and will it work in DCS , as I understand DCS does not support DFR? Will Open XR be able to provide a solution? I think for a lot of people this could be a deal clincher or deal breaker :) Also have concerns about some users having to do multiple boots to get the thing to work. Hope Pimax come through on all these issues because they have such an awesome headset in the Crystal .
they also received a lot of pressure form pre order customers to just ship. I am loving mine OMG I have used many headsets and nothing comes close for siming other than maybe the Varjo
@nickcutting4556 Im not very experience with DCS myself. I primarily use our headsets for fitness games. Audio trip, beatsaber, pistol whip. etc. Shooters too. The 8kx is basically cheating in FPS games haha.
I dont know if 90fps ultra is attainable without motion smoothing enabled as Im not too familiar with DCS. I actually had my first flight today. I enjoyed it until the guy helping me configure it decided to change my camera view repeatedly. Goodness that motion sickness came up out of nowhere with that move haha. it was fun though. Ill look into those questions and try to get back with a response.
@@WhatsupAbroad thank you :)
All I want is a cheap headset with high Fov. Like a lower resolution at 200• is way better than high resolution at 98• *cough quest 3 cough*
Sounds to me like the Crystal is ideal for seated simmers where high res and clarity are key but for room scale use, no. Agree?
yup
I use mine for roomscale quite a lot. Pistol Whip, Half Life Alyx, beat saber, blade and sorcery, etc. The headset is well balanced and I can wear it for hours without issue.
@joshuason-pimax1025 Thanks. What are your cons for the Crystal if any?
@@14723ian Dude, he works for the company. Are you really expecting objective info here?
@LastHurrah I must be blind. His user ID never registered with me as a Pimax employee. Stupid. Thanks for dragging me back to the light.
Should I buy Varjo Aero or Pimax Crystal?
You guys are spot on. You know how pimax comes up with the feature set? They have 20 guys in a room and they go around the table and say what should it do? and someone says "Lighthouse" and the next guy says "Stand alone" and the next guy shouts out "Eye Tracking" "FOV of 125" next guy says 35 ppd ! and so it goes for 5 min and at the end they all say OK let's do that!
Was looking forward to this vid since brad mentioned it, Crystal has to be one of the weirdest headsets out there, why have such high-end hardware and then add a whole android "Standalone" layer significantly increasing the weight of the headset then release it WITHOUT that feature. While the packaging can be blamed for the broken strap it really just means that was a weak point from the start and with the significant weight it's bound to end up broken.
Thanks for the review and information. definitely would love to see more of that style of videos!
Hello Raven. The standalone functionality only added battery weight. A built in chip was already required for the inside out tracking anyways. We also advertised these features as NOT being available in the headset at launch when we first announced it more than a year ago. At every point in time along the way we have clearly communicated with our customer base that those features would not be available when the headset first started shipping. We are however looking to release the firmware enabling standalone in the next month or so.
The crystal has an identity crisis, it has no idea what it wants to be.
Typical pimax over promises. They should have
A. Stuck with pcvr, drop the
B. Ran it without a battery
C. Got all features working for launch and shipping.
D. Resigned it..there is no need for the size. The aero is half the size with nearly the same tech in it
@brettgrieves The aero lacks many of the features we have implemented. And a full body redesign for each headset would have required us to run extra factories and significantly increased the end user cost. The standalone functionality is also demanded by all of our B2B partners, sales of which total nearly 25% of our total sales. Many use cases require the wireless functionality and inside out tracking. We also have multiple other models being developed on top of the Crystal mold. The Crystal is the base unit upon which several other headsets are being designed. Some of those may indeed drop the standalone mode and be PCVR only. The use of a single mold, same hardware, and same software means that we can devote 100% of our efforts towards refining the Crystal and all of those stability and performance improvements will apply directly to our other models. In fact the Crystal will be the best supported device we have ever made as it's functionality is the basis for all our other models. We are constantly rolling out updates to improve the user experience and those updates will all come together. We have some great stuff coming, some of which I believe will satisfy exactly what you just listed that you want.
@@WhatsupAbroad when is that LH plate coming?it should be nr one priority,the crystal tracking is bad as hell when the controllers even work,most of the time they just give up and unpair and needs a restart also the floor is wrong every single time,all of these are fixed with the lighthouse tracking
@@WhatsupAbroad Thing is, a large portion of your audience already utilize lighthouse and so far those who got the headset are saying the controller tracking is on par other headsets and is not suitable for titles requiring fast precise motions. on top of that in order to get LH tracking you have to add even more weight to the headset. the inside out feature is not something that's going to be used by many either way and I doubt it was worth making this one of the heaviest headsets in the consumer market.
Oh ffs, distortion? I returned a g2 reverb because of that. Could never get it to go away. It made me sick.. my vive v1 didn't have it
Hi , I’m am currently a Varjo Aero owner. My question is , do you feel it would be worth the money to purchase the Crystal to get the extra FOV ? I also on an HP reverb G2 and I see no distortions or warping, when moving my head side to side. Does the Crystal do the same once fitted properly to your face ?
I don't think it worth it.
If you can stay in the sweet spot, no warping
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Thank You for your honest opinion. Much Appreciated !!
@@Dual1969 it's worth knowing too that reviewers haven't gotten close to the FOV pimax keeps advertising so you're probably not missing out on as much as you think
@@psybunkthe crystal is a major upgrade from g2
You say that there is a major drawback from every HMD compared to the Index when in my experience, the Aero is an upgrade in nearly every aspect, with no drawbacks in my eyes. The FOV is what everyone wants to bring up with the Index, but my measured FOV with the Aero is 108 horizontal which is the same FOV with the Index.
The Aero from top to bottom is above average quality material, where Index is known to have cheaper parts that are riddled with breaking or issues (I have had 3 RMA's already within 8 months of owning the Index), customer support from Varjo is far beyond any other VR company, Aero weighs significantly less, it has auto IPD so the fit is perfect visually every time, the out of box comfort is the best of any HMD available unlike the Index which required a comfort kit, tilting the facial interface, and needs a front USB fan or between the eyes feel like its sitting on a volcano. Which brings up that the Aero has a built in fan, that I forgot was even there until I occasionally feel a nice refreshing breeze within the HMD. Plus you get to use whichever audio headphones you enjoy most and mic. For me, nothing beats open back Sennheiser headphones that seem to be made for the Aero since they fit one another flawlessly. Add on my wireless mod mic and you've got audio that can't be beat. The tracking uses the best part of the Index which are the 2.0 basestations and knuckle controllers. And the tracking is flawless as well. I've not once had tracking issues with the Aero over the 600+ hours of using one and I have a VR library of around 200 titles that I rotate evenly through. The Varjo software is top of the line as well and the Aero is supported by native SteamVR. And this all without mentioning the best part of the Aero, which is the lifelike visuals. The edge to edge clarity, 35PPD, around 4K resolution per eye, extremely bright, fantastic colors, huge sweet spot, no glare, no screen door, no funny issues like warping or screen tearing, etc. Plus the Aero is highly reliable and just works as intended. You put it on, turn on the pc and HMD, and you are in OBS recording without any tinkering or issues.
Needless to say, the Aero has been legit near flawless for my wants and needs. I can't wait until all VR users get to experience what I've been fortunate to use for the last 7 months. I'm in VR 4-6 hours a day, and I'm always showing others my experiences via live streaming so others can get an idea and hopefully learn something while having fun. And every time the Aero gets put on, it's a mind blowing experience that never gets old. Even games I've played hundreds of hours, I catch myself just pausing and taking it all in as it truly is an amazing experience.
I've only used my Index once since getting the Aero and all the flaws poured out and I can't see myself ever using the Index again. Varjo and the Aero deserve more recognition and hopefully the incredible technology is mainstream sooner than later because, WOW. Sorry for the long message. Cheers!
what about the 3d presence in the Crystal is it poor also?
Best 3d I've seen in a headset. I usually increase world scale in AMS2 and Elite. I didn't have to in the Crystal
Atm I'm only interested in PCVR. I'm not gonna buy a PS5 to play VR. I do not at all care about playing mobile games in a headset(I've had the Rift S and put 2500 hours on it until it broke). I've had 2 quest 2's and the compression just makes PCVR feel like crap. We can't get the index in Norway, though with the amount of basestations and controllers you run through using that thing I'm not sure I'd bother either way, even with our very consumer protecting by-law national warranty laws, it's just a hazzle to have to send stuff in and get it repaired/swapped all the time. Not to mention I haven't seen a single PCVR game where the forums aren't slap full of people complaining about features not working on the index controllers.
But, as Matt mentions, the biggest reason I can't be bothered to actually buy another headset is just, there's no software(mainly games) worth buying one for. The landscape is so barren and dried out.
Have you considered the Pico Neo 3 Link? It's a PCVR headset with an actual DP 1.4 support. It can also do standalone. It is much cheaper than the Pico 4 and the Quest 2 at the moment.
We're at the point now in VR where I really think future headsets all need to offer some form of eye tracking - whether that means it's built-in or an attachment piece - for under $1000 USD. PSVR2 has the right idea for future proofing their headset and supporting foveated rendering for performance improvements. I don't think I'll be upgrading from my current VR setup (nearly 3 years old now) until something like that comes out.
Big supporter and enjoyed the video but how do you not mention the varjo aero as an alternative? It’s my current replacement for my valve index. Have you given that a good amount of time b/c it’s great. Super comfortable, high quality build, great lens. Yes FOV isn’t as big but big enough. Audio not built in which is the other gripe but headphones can be plugged in. You should comment on that as I’m sure other high end VR folks like myself are prob thinking the same. It’s the clear alternative until big screen gets in people’s hands although the aero still has better visuals.
Simple I don't have one for reference 😀
Time to get one. Hard to judge and rate the field without experiencing one of the big time players out there. Would be well worth your time especially since this seems to be a pretty serious VR UA-cam channel.
@@Gamingwithmatteo311you need to reach out to varjo to lend you an aero to review
I preordered both the Pimax Crystal and the Bigscreen Beyond. I've canceled the Crystal and am super excited to get the Beyond.
That's very unfortunate. I believe you would have enjoyed our Crystal far more. If you get a chance try one out sometime. You might end up regretting your decision.
@@WhatsupAbroad I got my Crystal but aside from the plastic lenses being bad, I'm also having a couple of issues that I haven't seen fixes for yet. First, the sound sometimes doesn't play on the headset and I have to reboot the headset and/or restart the pimax services to get it working again. Second, the pimax experience home software was nice when I tried it but now it won't load after I changed the setting to not display the desktop window. I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling to no avail. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
lol Index over Crystal. The Index is such a piece of crap.
Damn then you will hate the crystal
Once all features are working I want to see a more in depth review
Well you can wait another year until all features work properly
@@HUSTLEONLY-kz5bfNah, should be sooner since Pimax claims there will finally be a Pimax 12K QLED for demoing at CES 2024, again... so lots of free press on how unfinished or fantastic it really is, since they would seem to be based on the same software.
I want to thank you for your honesty . This headset is a lot of money for some people and when Fan Boys in the Flight community just want to get likes, it really makes me very upset. Great Collab.
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Your the first Pimax reveiwer to fully arctulate what is wrong with Pimax headsets thank you... and to add ... Why can't they stick with products like Meta some how has? Like my OG rift works fine even today so why would I get a Pimax 5K super when it just got retreed? Which the portable PC VR device seems fun only if it was PC VR like the Steam deck is a PC... Like it's adirmal for a new company to try to make an OG console. But only Microsoft has been even remotely successful and they might pull out by 2030 the rest and there have been many have failed horribly.
Bigscreen Beyond needs eye tracking and foveated rendering to be useful for the flight sim community. I will not replace my Aero with the Beyond without it.
Not just that, they need better vertical FOV and brightness too.
I really want the VR industry to move away from big and bulky headsets. I know the tech is high end, but the discomfort ruins the experience.
Luckily most companies are
At AWE I made sure to try the Varjo XR3 then the Pimax Crystal.
The Varjo XR3 is well balanced, no pixels at all, smooth framerate, mediocre FOV, and has eye tracking, but I didn't like the color saturation at all.
The Pimax Crystal is literally crystal clear, good color saturation, a good horizontal FOV and especially vertical, and has eye tracking.
I did encounter a stutter when following a ship that was flying by but maybe that was because they were using a 4070. The
Crystal is definitely built for simmers because like Bradley said, after a while it will possibly put strain on your neck from the weight even though
it's balanced well.
I think it's subjective to what problems are noticeable so everyone will have an opinion especially the ones who look for problems instead of enjoying
the experience. Either way they're both great headsets.
The problem is they didn't say what games they tried it with. Knowing Bradley, VR Chat is all he used it for.
Imagine never spending more than 2 hours in VR 😮 Those are rookie numbers!
it's not never, just extremely rare. I've spent 5+ hours straight in Asgard's wrath before but just wait to see what life is like when you are an adult
Had my reverb g2 since 2020 best purchase ever as a pcvr gamer. 600$ at launch built in speaker inside out tracking the full package with a resolution that is aging well 😊 no reason to upgrade for another two years it seems
Great vid Matteo311!
Re: Manufacturers possibly not thinking you are important, I actually value your review opinions much more than most other reviewers because I know you are telling it straight up and not sugarcoating it. You dive into the guts of something and figure out what is good and what is bad and do not defer to putting a positive spin on a product and that matters a lot in my opinion.
Great crossover, always down for more!
I wanna love it , and was going to change out my reverb G2.... But now im not sure i will...
How many Race car drivers "forget" they are wearing a helmet ?
I dont think that's the same though
Heck yeah! My two favorite VR UA-camrs working together.
i heard this brad guy smells
:P
Confirmed. It was coming right through the speakers
Sadley I don't know who Bradley is - Just kidding!
Interesting review, thanks for going so in depth! $1600 is a lot of cash to sink in to a product that has the potential to be good... that a tethered headset requires a battery to work is like, the worst of both worlds! Really good to see you working with SadlyItsBradly!
The headset is also a standalone capable device with built in wireless capabilities. We should be releasing the firmware to enable that in the next month or so. All of these features were advertised at our official launch event as NOT being available at launch. We were very clear that these features wouldn't be in the product when the first customers received it.
When will recently made pre orders ship around?
@@WhatsupAbroad For sure - but reviewers can't review hardware based on what it will be, and $1600 is a lot of money to put down on a promise.
@PeVoNZ For users who are not familiar with our brand I would recommend waiting until after the pre-order period. Users are under no obligation to participate in the Early Adoption phase. I will very happily suggest waiting a little bit for more stability improvements to make a purchase. For those familiar with our brand and who have purchased before I believe they trust our expertise and our quality of service. We work hard to make sure our customers are satisfied, and I think that some of our official responses to this initial shipping hassles show that.
Imo however, even at 1600 USD our headset is a great deal even if it didn't have those extra features at all. With only inside out tracking, PCVR over cable, and auto IPD it is already a better deal than the Aero. 700 dollars cheaper, before basestations and controllers and audio are added to the Aero price, and we include the controllers, batteries, audio, etc in the box with a wider fov, local dimming support, and better colors and clarity. The extra features simply improve the value proposition of the headset. The base features which are already activated are truly priced very aggressively in the marketplace. However it is our job to deliver on our promises and all extra features will be added as soon as we possibly can and users will receive the best customer support we can muster. We are very thankful for our passionate user base and their willingness to participate with us at this early stage.
@88najsf-rs2rm We are currently working through the pre-orders, but right now the demand exceeds our production capacity. We are doubling production capacity weekly so we should be finished with most of the original pre-orders by the end of the month. Recent pre-orders will likely ship sometime next month, which isn't a bad thing. Those units shipped next month will likely come with the Auto-ipd and standalone firmwares installed out of the box.
Coool❤❤❤❤ thanks for the videos
GO VR 🎉🎉🎉🎉 still very cool
This is so disappointing. Two of my favourite vr guys are grilling all my hopes and dreams for my most anticipated hmd 😭. I just got the email from pimax to complete my order, and I've been waiting so hard for that, being super excited, and now I'm thinking about cancelling the order. I wish pimax just could wait until the holiday season to release a polished product with everything that they've promised instead of this mess. I would also like to have the lighthouse face plate, the wide lenses and the wigig module (wireless adapter they've been promising). I don't see a point in getting the crystal with half the functions and without accessories just to wait for an unknown period of time before I can fully use it. What a shame pimax, you are so close to deliver the perfect hmd imo, but had to rush things and mess it up.
Sorry guys, putting the Index at the top of PC-VR Headsets on the fith of July in 2023 is just ridiculous with the low resolution and terrible glare / god rays! No really serious person can recommend the Index anymore, especially not as first choice. How much did META pay you for this embarassing rant?
Ok a couple things.
The video didn't come out on July 5th
Why would Meta pay us to promote the index. That makes 0 sense. Also I state I wouldn't recommend anyone get the index in 2023 plus I also mention how bad the God rays are. In terms of resolution even though quest 2, pro and Pico have higher res screens, the games run at lower resolutions than the index.
The index is a great overall package and that's why we still love it. It has it all. Fov, comfort, great audio and excellent tracking. Nothing beats it in every category
Was a great video
Definitely would like to see more as I watch both of you already separately and think you both have great ways of looking at VR and the industry
I've have the Crystal for around 1 week. It was a little difficult to get tuned in. Once I did, it is the most amazing machine I've played. I have the quest 2, quest pro. This machine plays my games perfectly! And pimax has been releasing software updates and things are moving along. The headset experience in Half-life alex is worth the money alone!!! It's like playing it for the first time ever and at a totally different level than any other headset out there
Doesn't the small sweet spot bother you? It was a bit of a shock trying the Crystal after owning the Quest Pro which has the whole lens as the sweet spot.
It's a shame that Matteo still hasn't gotten the chance to try the Beyond. If they are still that short on review units, I can't imagine Q3 2023 is a reality for launch date, it starts next month.
Somnium vr1 will be the index 2 🔥🔥🔥
I can't even connect mine to my pc and a piece broke where it holds the headband when it came in lol props to them though because they have been very involved with my trouble ticket 😂 and now a second one is on its way
Both of mine came broke
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 oh my God lol I was gonna do an unboxing and had the video planned out. Then bam, broken piece and sent a ticket for that. Plugged it in and won't work no matter what, and sent another ticket for that.
Now I have a replacement front plate for that broken piece, and a whole new headset on its way. 😩
@Gamingwithmatteo311 That really sucks. On the plus side we redesigned the boxes and that shouldn't be an issue moving forward. Sorry for the inconvenience that caused you.
@JonForshort I'm sorry to hear that you had received a broken unit. That is very unfortunate. We have redesigned our boxes and that shouldn't happen again. As for the unit connection issue I reccommend that you turn on the headset before you power on your PC. While already connected. For reasons this results in a more stable connection experience. To prolong battery life we recommend using the power hub, but there is also the ability to charge the headset while in use through the usb-c on the right side of the headset. Some Arcades we are working with use this method to extend the battery life of the various wireless headsets they use including our Crystal.
@@WhatsupAbroad yeah we tried everything and anything. I was with pimax support with a technician from 1230am to 2:30am because I had to match Beijing hours here in Texas.
Once again we see the Quest Pro is the Best Pro. B-|
not even close lol
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 It's still too expensive, and local dimming isn't quite as nice as OLED, but I'm enjoying my Quest Pro, and certainly can't go back to my Quest 2. :D
great video. you definitely should do more with Bradley. I think Bigscreen Beyond is the right direction not these big heavy headsets like the Pimax.
Bro you put your ass on quest 2 ? lmao if i were pimax i would run the other direction haha
it was joke and no contact was made or Quests harmed in the making of the video
good video and thanks for the honest info and not just sucking up to the company, saying everything is great.
It's because it's a Chinese company these 2 are like the Karen's of the VR industry.
I actually prefer the more natural communication from Matteo like in this video versus the scripted reading.
I actually don't script most of my videos
You guys have good chemistry. I enjoyed you two working together.
Good content, thanks for being completely transparent with the Crystal. It's not a finished product, you ARE a beta tester for at least the next 6 months with the Crystal.
The "missing" features from our Crystal were all advertised at launch, more than a year ago, as not being available at launch. It was in our very first announcement of the product.
@joshuason-pimax1025 That doesn't really change what his comment means though. The Crystal is not a feature-complete headset and it's available to purchase now, on top of a host of other issues for systems that are supposed to be working. The software is still getting bug fixed, the controllers still have critical firmware in the works, people are getting random quality components in the box, etc. It's extremely half baked, who would genuinely recommend this at this point in time?
@@pakman184Varjo Aero still hasn't got the local dimming feature it was advertised with, but hardly no one complains about that.
I don't get it, is it heavier than what's announced ? Index is 810 gram, Crystal was announced 845g ( with headstrap, but no battery ) ... Does it feel so much heavier than the index ?
I know that wide hammer shark head shape is not really balanced, but is it less confortable than an 8KX ( also 850 g with headstrap ) ?
It's definitely a lot more than 845 grams, it measured about 1165 for me and feels much heavier than the index. My index is 760, I just recently weighed it.
Nice collab and good overview of the most pressing issues.
But more talk should have been spend on how they are blatantly selling it with bullshit specs.
They claim horizontal fov of 125° yet it's only 102° at best. Crystal weighs nearly 1.2Kg, when they claim
I feel like they announced it with specs they wanted on the final product rather than what they have
Great video. I would not buy a Pimax HMD any time soon as this has happened multiple times on their launches. It is a shame really because I love new HMD innovations in the market.
My two favorite VR content creators. Bar none. Absolute top. The only two that are truly honest and never tarnish that principle by bowing to either the mob or corporate.
If kiwi became absolute shit or became truly anti-consumer, Matteo has integrity and knows what to do.
now THIS is the content we want from you Matteo! In depth, detailed review, with another VR enthusiast and dude who knows his stuff. This is extremely helpful for the VR community and would love more of this type of content. Cheers!
I wish you had the Aero in the list of "rank these Headsets" since that is the ultimate VR HMD that every enthusiast level HMD strives to duplicate.
I don't like my Aero!
@@kangjames2492 really? what don't you like about it? It really is everything I wanted from VR and more. I have no complaints at all which is rare for a VR HMD to check all my boxes.
@farmertrueVR The binocular overlap is bad. There's a translucent V in my field of view because of the lense design. The fov is too small, especially verticaly. Red shift and chromatic aberration is a problem, and turning from right to left produces minute micro stutter. Still no local dimming nor dynamic foviated rendering. I won't even mention the mic and headphones.
@@kangjames2492 I guess my face is ideal for the Aero. My measured FOV is 108H x 78V which is far more than I expected. I've not once thought "this FOV needs to be larger". On other headsets you get this binocular vision but not on the Aero.
I've not experienced the translucent V nor any micro stutters. I have seen the red shift but that was only because I was purposely trying to create that issue to see what others were talking about. It's not anything I would have ever noticed unless I dfidn't hear about it from others and purposely tried to see it. Local dimming isn't coming to the Aero but dynamic foveated rendering is already available. There isn't a need for local dimming but it would be nice as would most additional features.
You should mention the mic and headphones. It's one of the reasons I prefer the Aero over other HMDs. With the Aero it allows me to utilize my preferred mic and headphones. All Built in audio solutions in VR HMD's are not on the level that I'm able to use with my Aero. Open back Sennheiser headphones and wireless mod mic from Antlion pair perfectly with the Aero and thankful they didn't add built in like other HMDs.
Sounds to me like the Aero just isn't your HMD. Thankfully I don't have the issues with mine that you have. Like I said, the Aero is exactly what I've been wanting from VR and then some. I can't wait until this quality of HMD is more widely available because it is special.
@@farmertrueVR I agree and share the love of the Aero. Certainly not flawless but is as high rez a headset available without the foundational issues of the Crystal. Too bad these two VR gurus haven't owned Aeros to form a knowledgeable opinion. But I would buy the Deckard on a rumor. Make it happen Bradly.
Great video, what HMD's are you two guys using currently? I know Brad is the BSB, is that what you are currently using a daily driver as well Matteo?
still my index for now
they fix the reprojection thing on call of the mountain.
What, Index is almost half the weight of the Crystal (17:17), seriously? Index is 809 grams, and Crystal is 960 grams with the battery, that's like 150 gr difference, and Crystal actually feels better since the battery acts as a counterbalance. It's funny that bradley hates weight the most about Crystal and loves the Index, i don't know what to think, it's fine to dislike things over others, but blatantly lie is the worsts thing for a youtuber, unsubscribed.
incorrect. We both weighed out devices. My index is 795grams, the Crystal was 1185 with the battery in. it's 50% heavier
Would love to see you guys do a dual analysis of Somnium VR1 and how it compares with this category of headset.
Hell yeah
Great idea, it really looks like the Index killer we are waiting for!
Loved seeing Brad here!
bigscreen head set has a very very small FOV i would not go anywhere near it its smaller than the g2 and thats two small
Actually they recently upgraded the fov to 102 degree. Above the Quest 2, g2 etc
@@Gamingwithmatteo311😆
I really appreciate this video, especially the comparisons that you guys made with the beyond. I can't wait to hear how other youtubers like MRTV compare the Beyond with the Crystal. I have been leaning towards getting the Beyond ever since the early recipients of the Crystal have been reporting major issues on reddit and youtube.
the v54 update messed up streaming to pc using airlink and virtual desktop,,, how the f are you not going to addresss this as a "vr news channel"
There's no reason for you to put on a pico 4? How about a great PC VR experience without tripping over a cable?
I have a feeling this is a disingenuous, unfair, deliberately biased video. I saw another video that mentioned a youtuber(unnamed) that was deliberately seeking out only negative information regarding Pimax in order to confirm their bias....that was this channel wasn't it? There's a video here on youtube that shows a guy going from box to gameplay in less than two minutes called "Is Pimax Crystal VR Headset really that hard to set up and use?" It kind of shows how ridiculous or technologically incompetent some of these pimax haters really are. Sure there could be unique issues but this is how my experience with Pimax has been through three headsets. Maybe I am just special but I don't seem to have any of these nightmare issues one or two people on youtube seem to have.
Your feelings mean nothing in the face of facts. I showed how pimax delivered two broken headsets and its a very know issue. Pimax also confirmed their software has issues with the rtx 4090. Do you have a 4090? They also just pushed a software update to correct the floor position issue. And the biggest issue is the weight. 1.2 kilos is pretty insane when all new headsets are getting lighter and lighter. I doubt I'll see a response back because there is nothing you can say
@@Gamingwithmatteo311 Here's my response: You're a clown. I sure do have a 4090 and I am far from a Pimax fanboy. I agree with some of your criticism including the weight but the fact that you can't find one good thing to say about a headset that has the best display in the history of mankind that is probably a thousand dollars cheaper than the nearest competitor when you factor in base stations, controllers, and audio says more about you, your channel, and your ability to be a fair and balanced "reviewer" than anything you could ever say about Pimax. Stick with a quest 2 bud.
Did anyone really believe Pimax wouldn't screw up this launch? They have Apple aspirations but aliexpress level of execution.
Pimax never changes what ewaste they produce and market with utterly bullshit specs, like they claim 125hfov when it doesn't even reach 105hfov.
Thanks guys, really enjoyed this chat. Was thinking about the Pimax Crystal for MSFS, which is does have it's merit, after all said and done it is the clearest display in VR and you can't really put a price on that but I declined to get one for the simple reason I don't want to ignore the rest of the VR industry and I feel buying a VR headset just to sim it like ridng a bike only in the dark. I need more. Coming from a HP Reverb G2, I'll probably buy the Quest 3, it has comparable resolution, better lenses, tracking and software and hopefully should reconnect me to the type of VR experiences I enjoyed with the CV1.
Pimax should be doing better, something about their business model has them skipping steps and hoping things work out instead of addressing issues and changing things that don’t work to more simple and effective. I feel they should just focus on ONE thing and do it right . They have the skills , just not executing plans well and keeps hurting reputation . Some think scamming, I think they trying but feel pressure and don’t just do best they can do with one headset to counteract years of awesome stuff … BUT … lol .
Hope they figure out this push , they kinda surprising still banging away after the amount of fail so I respect them trying for sure . Just gotta buckle down so one thing “ perfect “ as possible .
My two favorite vr content creators joined forces. Even If I hated you both, that was very enjoyable. Thank you for that. Very chill and informative. Next time bring some LOFI XD
I like this collab because you guys both tell it like it is. The only thing they should've focused on is a high res high fov pcvr headset with eyetracking. Standalone is waste of time because the headset is just too big, they will never have a decent library, games would probably look like sh*t because there is no way that an XR2 can push that many pixels and the battery probably won't last more then 30 mins if you need one in wired mode.
The guy on the left's accent makes him sound like a 1 year old.
Is there ANY headset that could actually replace the Valve index, all things considered, if you don't really care about the tethering all that much?
I'm hoping it's the big screen
@@Gamingwithmatteo311In other words: No.
I agree btw, mine is three years old, still going strong. One of the best purchases I've ever made.
Versus the Valve Index, the Bigscreen Beyond has more clarity and better comfort. But then it has a substantially smaller FOV and lacks built in speakers. Having to BYOA (Bring Your Own Audio) and wear headphones over a VR headset sucks.
Like Matteo mentioned, it's very frustrating that 4 years later, nobody has released a VR headset which is the equal or better of the Index across the board.
The Index got it right. It wasn't ahead of its time. It's that all these subsequent VR headsets have had bad product decisions that really miss the mark. It's like they don't learn from or build upon the Index.
The Quest 2 sells because its cheap. It offers a lesser experience at a lesser price point. It's like 80-90% of the Index experience for half the price.
4 years later, at least one company should be selling a VR headset (the whole kit, not just headset alone) which is better than the Index across the board for $800.
Some people like Bradley are saying the Beyond is finally replacing the Index for them. But it's only barely, and _it's twice as expensive as the Index_. 4 years later. 4. Years. Later.
Somnum VR1 looks like a true Index 2. But they have everything to prove, especially with them claiming launch this year.
The Bigscreen weighs 127 grams (compared to around 1200 grams for the Pimax Crystal) , BUT only has 105° FOV and no eyetracking.
Plus, the Bigscreen has to be customized for ONLY YOU.
Comparing the crystal with the index as far as visual is insane insane! Total bias what a ridiculous interview.
Guess you didn't listen to what I said in regard to visuals than
You and Brad are a great combo
It's nice to see that people still love their Index's. ❤And me as well.
Even with the lower resolution and the strong glare, comparing to newer HMDs, i think the Valve Index still performes great as a VR allrounder.