I came up with 20.2 Grains of H110 under the 110 gr Barnes Tac-TX as my hog load for next weeks hunt. I was googling the bullet to see if I could find it cheaper when I found your video, Where 20.2 gr of Win 296 (same powder as H110) ends up taking the day 👍
Im a sub and i come here for the 300 Blackout Data. Keep up the good work with all this Blackout info. And a big thanks for introducing me to Maker Bullets. I use 125gr TREX, thanks to you.
Good analysis on both powders. Back in 2016 when this was done, Lil Gun was known to be inconsistent in velocities. Four years later, now 2020, Lil gun powder has improved showing better consistency than before. I recently loaded 50 of the barnes 110 tac-tx with Lil gun 19 grains. I used a 10.5" barrel without suppressor and the groups at 100 yards were really good. I only a suppressor when hunting with my 16" barrel since I need the extra 6" to compensate for the more accentuated drop due to the suppressor. I just finished at 7.5" and I have it set at 25 yards for close quarters with a suppressor. Excellent tight groups even at 50 yds with this smaller barrel. Thanks for the video and your comments.
Nothing about lil gun has changed..... its just your guns happen to like the pressure curve of it..... also be careful because lil gun burns very hot and will wreak havoc on your barrel.....
I know this is an old comment but you should not be seeing ANY “accentuated drop” due to a suppressor. POI shift? Sure. You almost always have to re-zero shooting with vs without a can because usually the point of impact will shift. Once it’s re-zero’d the bullet should not drop any more than without the suppressor. If anything, it will drop ever so slightly less as you usually see a small velocity increase shooting with vs without a suppressor.
We didn't had nowhere near the options that we've got now. When we was developing the round as the .300 whisper, we used a few custom barrels for old model TC contenders with a 8 inch barrel, 11.6, and a 14.9 inch and they shot some loads decent, some poor, and some that was great. We stretched the range of that thing out to 400 yards and we found that it tended to work best in a 9.8-11.4 inch barrels. I got me a 10.5 now in a M15 that actually tends to digest most everything except the subsonic heavyweight loads that people seem to like. My nephew tried to argue with me saying that the .300 AAC was almost the exact same as the .30 TCU and I had to dig out stuff that people proved the Whisper and AAC are nearly identical. I have found that the AAC tends to do better with hotter loads.
Love your 300 blackout stuff! You are saving me a lot of work. I am expecting my SBR tax stamp any day now. I've already got all the parts to build my upper. It's going to be an 8 in. 300 blackout with an AAC SDN-6 can. I want to hunt deer with it and this load is one I am very interested in. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, man. What barrel did you end up going with? I've not been all that happy with the accuracy of this Rainier barrel and I am thinking about picking up an 8" CMMG.
how do you like the 8 inch with sdn6? I have the pistol, waiting on the can. I chrono'd the 110gr TAC-TX this past weekend and got 2124fps avg on a 10 shot string.
I'm glad to see this video come along. My 12.5" super game is non-existent. This is motivation to make it happen. Have you found any local places that sell these bullets? I've checked all of my local big box stores with no success. Also, what is a good price on a box of these? I don't want to get raped.
I finally got the okay for my 300 SBR so I will be testing these again for it when the barrel arrives. It is a 10.3" BA Hanson Premium. My 16" 300 CMMG carbine gas worked Great with Lil Gun and not so much with W296. I really appreciate all the work you put in. It has helped me Greatly. Are you going to get any Hodgdon CFEBLK early to test? Very interested in how this might work. God Bless You & Yours, keep up the good work...
Loved the reloading for beginners! Even you oops were educational. One question. Would you reload the same for a AR platform as a bolt action in the 300blk?
Do you know if the Tac-TX and the TTSX are the same data? Ive found Tac-TX data on their website, but nothing for the TTSX. Mine have two ridges like a cannelure wgere their picture has one. Also different colored tips. Black vs blue. Just wondering because its got me hesitant to use it
It's not goofy powder, it's not giving you the pressure because of the light bullet. Lil gun is too weak for 110gr especially from 8.5 barrel. H110 19gr is perfect. Remember all copper means higher pressure. 2,245fps from 9.5in barrel. Lil Gun needs barrel length to get great velocities. Win 296 and H110 works with shorter barrels and lighter bullets.
@@Marcus2750-u1tcopper bullets tend to be longer than there lead counter parts with generally translates to a different bearing surface which can have an effect on pressure
Another excellent video, thanks Johnny. You have soooo much data on UA-cam...do you have any data with Hornady 150gr SP Interlock for 300 BLK with W296 powder?
@@Marcus2750-u1t Would like to know powder charges and velocities for best Self Defense loads. Nothing fancy, just what your preferred load might be. Love your videos...so thanks for all the info you share. Ron J.
What was your AOL? I had good results with W296, using 140gr FMJ (old 7.5 French ogives, and yes, it is 7.62). Best accuracy was at 17.7 gr with OAL 2.15. Average velocity at 100 meters was 2072 fps with a deviation of 74 fps between Max and Min, from my 10.5" barrel. I am just getting into Lil'gun and can't wait to see if I will like it or not.
I know my 6.5 creedmoor & .243 all shoot best on higher than max published load data. my 6.5 is 2 full grains more. if no pressure signs you should try a hair more if they group better.
Lil-gun has only worked for me in .410 shotgun. I have tried it in everything from .17 Hornet to .41 Mag and it was never anything but mediocre at best. Another thing is In very cold temperature it can have wierd pressure spikes.
I have a Noveske 8.2’ upper in 300 BLK and cannot get the Barnes 110gr TAC-TX bullet to shoot well with Lil Gun, H110. Even the Barnes factory loads. Shooting super sonic with a Silencerco SpecWar can. We’re talking 2-3’ groups at 50 yards! Everyone raves about the Barnes bullet for hunting and rightfully so but it doesn’t shoot well at all for me. Even in my 16” Daniel Defense upper.
Hello Im new to 300 AAC re-loading and noticed different max load tolerance based on bullet weight. For example using H110 with a Hornady GMX 110gr bullet the max load is 20.2gr but If I use a heavier buller like a 125gr Sierra Spitzer the max load is 18.7gr using same powder. Why is that? doesn't make sense to me.. Can you please answer that? Ty
Hey I have some 223/556 casings that I ordered,that they are for making 300aac.I don't have a 300 black out,and don't plan on ever getting one.I can't return them,I will make you a good deal on them if your interested in them.I ordered them by mistake
I'm new to reloading kinda trying get a list of components for 300 blackout. Which primers and powder do you recommend? Mostly right now I shoot supersonic so thats what will be reloading most.
Hodgdon H110 or Winchester 296 (they are the same powder), CCI #41 or #450 primers. Also pick up a pound of Accurate 1680 whenever possible. You will need it eventually.
I've never been thrilled with how this gun shoots. I might pick up a new barrel to test in it. I'd like to try a 1:7 twist anyway, so I might just do it.
The 120 is where its at!! People and companies are finally seeing and proving that 120 is the sweet spot for blackout......
I came up with 20.2 Grains of H110 under the 110 gr Barnes Tac-TX as my hog load for next weeks hunt. I was googling the bullet to see if I could find it cheaper when I found your video, Where 20.2 gr of Win 296 (same powder as H110) ends up taking the day 👍
Im a sub and i come here for the 300 Blackout Data. Keep up the good work with all this Blackout info. And a big thanks for introducing me to Maker Bullets. I use 125gr TREX, thanks to you.
That's great to hear! I like Maker bullets. Just wish they could keep their crap in stock more often.
Good analysis on both powders. Back in 2016 when this was done, Lil Gun was known to be inconsistent in velocities. Four years later, now 2020, Lil gun powder has improved showing better consistency than before. I recently loaded 50 of the barnes 110 tac-tx with Lil gun 19 grains. I used a 10.5" barrel without suppressor and the groups at 100 yards were really good. I only a suppressor when hunting with my 16" barrel since I need the extra 6" to compensate for the more accentuated drop due to the suppressor. I just finished at 7.5" and I have it set at 25 yards for close quarters with a suppressor. Excellent tight groups even at 50 yds with this smaller barrel. Thanks for the video and your comments.
Nothing about lil gun has changed..... its just your guns happen to like the pressure curve of it..... also be careful because lil gun burns very hot and will wreak havoc on your barrel.....
I know this is an old comment but you should not be seeing ANY “accentuated drop” due to a suppressor.
POI shift? Sure. You almost always have to re-zero shooting with vs without a can because usually the point of impact will shift. Once it’s re-zero’d the bullet should not drop any more than without the suppressor. If anything, it will drop ever so slightly less as you usually see a small velocity increase shooting with vs without a suppressor.
We didn't had nowhere near the options that we've got now. When we was developing the round as the .300 whisper, we used a few custom barrels for old model TC contenders with a 8 inch barrel, 11.6, and a 14.9 inch and they shot some loads decent, some poor, and some that was great. We stretched the range of that thing out to 400 yards and we found that it tended to work best in a 9.8-11.4 inch barrels. I got me a 10.5 now in a M15 that actually tends to digest most everything except the subsonic heavyweight loads that people seem to like. My nephew tried to argue with me saying that the .300 AAC was almost the exact same as the .30 TCU and I had to dig out stuff that people proved the Whisper and AAC are nearly identical. I have found that the AAC tends to do better with hotter loads.
Love your 300 blackout stuff! You are saving me a lot of work. I am expecting my SBR tax stamp any day now. I've already got all the parts to build my upper. It's going to be an 8 in. 300 blackout with an AAC SDN-6 can. I want to hunt deer with it and this load is one I am very interested in. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks, man. What barrel did you end up going with? I've not been all that happy with the accuracy of this Rainier barrel and I am thinking about picking up an 8" CMMG.
Johnny's Reloading Bench I got the 8 in. CMMG lol.
how do you like the 8 inch with sdn6? I have the pistol, waiting on the can. I chrono'd the 110gr TAC-TX this past weekend and got 2124fps avg on a 10 shot string.
I'm glad to see this video come along. My 12.5" super game is non-existent. This is motivation to make it happen. Have you found any local places that sell these bullets? I've checked all of my local big box stores with no success. Also, what is a good price on a box of these? I don't want to get raped.
I finally got the okay for my 300 SBR so I will be testing these again for it when the barrel arrives. It is a 10.3" BA Hanson Premium. My 16" 300 CMMG carbine gas worked Great with Lil Gun and not so much with W296. I really appreciate all the work you put in. It has helped me Greatly. Are you going to get any Hodgdon CFEBLK early to test? Very interested in how this might work.
God Bless You & Yours, keep up the good work...
I'm going to be testing CFE BLK as soon as I can get my hands on some!
Hogden110 at 18.9 grains with a 110 gr. Bullet is my sweet spot for 300 Blackout 16” barrel.
are you going to try hodgdon CFEblk they are coming out with
Heck yeah! As soon as I can get my hands on some!
Love my 300blk awesome gun
thanks for the video brother! great as always!
do you notice any difference between primers?
Thanks! I haven't noticed a whole lot of difference with primers so far.
Lil Gun shoots great in my .357 Marlin carbine. Maybe its just erratic in the bigger bottlenecked case.
I'll be testing it in my Henry carbine soon! Hopefully it works well, since I am about done with it in 300 blackout.
Great test
I've often debated that 1000 ft-lbs thing myself. Like it or not, one eventually has to pick a nail to hang his hat on.
Loved the reloading for beginners! Even you oops were educational. One question. Would you reload the same for a AR platform as a bolt action in the 300blk?
No ..... loading for a bolt gun is diff then a bolty and you should load for each one differently
Cannot find tac-tx but found 110 grain ttsx-fb will these work for deer?
u should take the best group and shoot it again with out the suppressor just to see if any diff in vil. or acc.
Do you know if the Tac-TX and the TTSX are the same data? Ive found Tac-TX data on their website, but nothing for the TTSX. Mine have two ridges like a cannelure wgere their picture has one. Also different colored tips. Black vs blue. Just wondering because its got me hesitant to use it
I'm looking for load data for this buller on the powders I have on hand, IMR 4198, CFE 223, IMR 3031, and Accurate 2495.
It's not goofy powder, it's not giving you the pressure because of the light bullet. Lil gun is too weak for 110gr especially from 8.5 barrel. H110 19gr is perfect. Remember all copper means higher pressure. 2,245fps from 9.5in barrel.
Lil Gun needs barrel length to get great velocities. Win 296 and H110 works with shorter barrels and lighter bullets.
Copper doesn’t have anything to do with pressure really, and the diff between the two powders is burn rate......
@@Marcus2750-u1tcopper bullets tend to be longer than there lead counter parts with generally translates to a different bearing surface which can have an effect on pressure
Another excellent video, thanks Johnny. You have soooo much data on UA-cam...do you have any data with Hornady 150gr SP Interlock for 300 BLK with W296 powder?
Ive loaded and shot this round, what do you need?
@@Marcus2750-u1t Would like to know powder charges and velocities for best Self Defense loads. Nothing fancy, just what your preferred load might be. Love your videos...so thanks for all the info you share. Ron J.
@@ronaldjohnston7989 I run 15.5 grains of hodgen H110 ... 2.106 is the coal for it..... for a 150 interlock sp hornady......
@@Marcus2750-u1t Excellent, thanks! I have work to do.
For 100 yd accuracy in a flat based bullet with 296 How many grains who makes it? Been missing you
What was your AOL?
I had good results with W296, using 140gr FMJ (old 7.5 French ogives, and yes, it is 7.62). Best accuracy was at 17.7 gr with OAL 2.15. Average velocity at 100 meters was 2072 fps with a deviation of 74 fps between Max and Min, from my 10.5" barrel. I am just getting into Lil'gun and can't wait to see if I will like it or not.
Damn thats high deviation plz be careful.... h110 is best to use over lil gun period
what about enforcer/4100?
Do you have any reloading data for Hornady 165 SST's with Hogdon H110? I can't find any data anywhere, shooting 11.5 inch SBR
Good stuff man.
Looking forward to see if 2300 fps can be achieved safely !!!
Look for a followup video in the next few days!
I know my 6.5 creedmoor & .243 all shoot best on higher than max published load data. my 6.5 is 2 full grains more. if no pressure signs you should try a hair more if they group better.
Lil-gun has only worked for me in .410 shotgun. I have tried it in everything from .17 Hornet to .41 Mag and it was never anything but mediocre at best. Another thing is In very cold temperature it can have wierd pressure spikes.
I have a Noveske 8.2’ upper in 300 BLK and cannot get the Barnes 110gr TAC-TX bullet to shoot well with Lil Gun, H110. Even the Barnes factory loads. Shooting super sonic with a Silencerco SpecWar can. We’re talking 2-3’ groups at 50 yards! Everyone raves about the Barnes bullet for hunting and rightfully so but it doesn’t shoot well at all for me. Even in my 16” Daniel Defense upper.
Very strange!! Ive never seen a barrel that wouldn’t shoot these well, try the 120’s and see if that improves your situation!
Hello Im new to 300 AAC re-loading and noticed different max load tolerance based on bullet weight. For example using H110 with a Hornady GMX 110gr bullet the max load is 20.2gr but If I use a heavier buller like a 125gr Sierra Spitzer the max load is 18.7gr using same powder. Why is that? doesn't make sense to me.. Can you please answer that? Ty
PRESSURE is why!!! Do some research to learn the fundamentals before you load sir.
Hey I have some 223/556 casings that I ordered,that they are for making 300aac.I don't have a 300 black out,and don't plan on ever getting one.I can't return them,I will make you a good deal on them if your interested in them.I ordered them by mistake
I'm new to reloading kinda trying get a list of components for 300 blackout. Which primers and powder do you recommend? Mostly right now I shoot supersonic so thats what will be reloading most.
Hodgdon H110 or Winchester 296 (they are the same powder), CCI #41 or #450 primers. Also pick up a pound of Accurate 1680 whenever possible. You will need it eventually.
Thanks. I bought some win 296 and the 450 primers today. Struck out finding bullets in 110 and 120 grain. Probably better off getting those online.
I,dlook at barrel quality
I've never been thrilled with how this gun shoots. I might pick up a new barrel to test in it. I'd like to try a 1:7 twist anyway, so I might just do it.
@@JohnnysReloadingBench try 1:5 for short 300BLK
I wish you would just get to the point I can't watch this