Awesome breakdown, fellas! Hunting with a suppressor really does improve the experience, and making the right choice in size and weight is important. If anyone has any questions about getting the right can fo your hunting rig, we're happy to help out! - Chase
As someone who was a computer programmer and then systems analyst in the early 1980s, that discussion cracked me up. “Pivot table” is a relational database. However, it is immensely cool that there’s a tool to present that data visually for a consumer.
While I like suppressors, it's the tax stamp is what keeps me from getting more. I just hate giving them that money which will be used for nothing good.
I always heard just having one multiplies your prison time if you are unfortunate to have one when committing a crime. Not that I do anything like that, but just the added liability of some minor offense turning from a simple citation to "pound me in the aas Federal prison time" keeps me away from thinking about owning one...lol But I'm, I could be wrong
@@anonymousf454I’d talk to your lawyer about that. Doesn’t sound right unless maybe the can was used in the crime. Don’t let that deter you without having the correct info
I think more companies should make direct thread inexpensive aluminum cans with good volume and shorter size. Basically make them semi-disposable hunting cans, although for a light use hunting rig they would likely last near forever if you kept the heat down. No reason a company couldn’t make a 5” long, 1.75”diameter aluminum can that has 3-4 simple clipped baffles. Charge $400 bucks.
About Suppressors in Europe, in some countries like Italy and Spain, the Supressors are prohibited, and here in Switzerland you have to request a Special Authorization to be allow to buy just one suppressor. Interesting Podcast, thank you.
Had the same problem Mark had with not being able to pull the trigger on a suppressor but finally went through silencer central and have two cans waiting for approval. They made the paperwork a cakewalk which was my biggest hang up.
I'm hooked on cans! Good analogy on the snap of fingers vs. pop a balloon. Just started last fall hunting with them and won't go back! Great podcast as always.
I’m a lot like Ryan, crippling internal paralysis when making these decisions. Finally have my first suppressor approved and should be in hand soon, a banish backcountry
I have one and like it. Being Hub mount compatible, relatively short and light weight makes it a pretty good package. Not cheap though and SC shipped mine without a mount… any mount… then shipped out the wrong mount. Not happy with that at all.
AB started as a turbo charger company, Jim outta like that, and the tech is “spiral baffles”. The reflex is basically a muzzle device that adds volume via the backside and utilizes free real estate over the barrel. They’re phenomenal cans! Short, light, quiet, and economical!
I bought a can based upon the published weight from the manufacturer that ended up 3oz heavier than I expected. Why? They did not include the weight of the direct thread adapter in their published number.
I Shot the AB raptor on a 257 Weatherby at the Reeds Gun Fair last weekend. Let me be the first to say I think it's the fuglyst suppressor ever made. . But holy poop! Life changing. The most quiet can I've shot to date and light. It's worth a look if you can get hands on one it'll change your life. Also has a wired sound signature you wont forget lol Will definitely be ordering one.
I was hoping to get one but the local store had one left and it was sold before I got off work I ended up getting the omega 300 and got the titanium end cap and it’s is only about 2-3 oz heavier using the direct thread and short light endcap
You could have an episode just about mounting options. The closest thing to standard I've seen is Q's Plan B. Rearden and wolfpack armory (& others) make mounts and adapters. This is where I'm stuck.
Great breakdown. Wish there was a little more discussion on specific cans. Looking for one myself and looking into a couple brands that aren’t listed like the Resilient Jolene AAC Jaeger and Gemtech Tracker they’re deff low cost and in that mid weight range.
Suppressor ownership is easy, I too was once intimidated by what the internet told me, find a good local shop that works for you and just ask questions. I definitely prefer to shop local over the online platforms, but just pull the band aid and get to it, no better time than current times!
So I have the regular Alaskan 360, it's still light at just over 11oz and does fantastic on my 20" 270 winchester. I just wish they made different caliber end caps other than 22, 30 and 36 like 6.5 and 7mm end caps, May knock a little more sound off but overall does excellent
I was wondering the same thing. It’s actually 9.4 oz without RUM but I use the RUM for repeatability switching rifles. Have used it on 223, 224 valk, 243 win, 300 wm. Has worked well on all of them. I think the few oz more is well worth saving $500-$600, at least for my application.
New to Firearms and definitely we don’t know anything about suppressors. So would the suppressor go behind the birdcage or would the birdcage go in front of the suppressor.
Error in the data: HuxWrx Ventum is listed as over $1600. MSRP is $996, street price is about $850. Must have gotten mixed up with the Flow 762 or something. Otherwise a great discussion and do really appreciate the table with all the data!
They just make ones for you in different barrel thicknesses here in South Africa. I have a GunWarrior reflex suppressor, and they literally built me what I wanted, and shipped it within a week. I think the whole thing cost me less than your tax stamp.
As Ryan once said a European Hunter asked him once why you Americans have so large Guns (and yes i mean Barrel Length) what Mark wants is here in Europe the Norm a Overbarrel Supressor for Hunting makes the whole package smaller and when you pair it with a 20inch Barrel or even shorter its a winner .... the longest Barrels you see at the Moment in Europe for new Hunting Rifles are 22inch max most are 20inch These Hunting Supressors where you put only these one Round at a Time through are cheap as Dirt here in Germany a relativly light Can that have enough Sound Reduction for Hunting start at 350€
JK armament has some neat modular cans that can easily be adjusted by removing/adding individual baffles. .30cal SBRX can go as small as 3.3" @ 4.4oz. up to 6.6" at 12.8oz. can't speak to the effectiveness in super compact arrangements because I have been waiting since the bad ol days of looong wait time. I've run their rimfire 22 can a bit though and it's dandy on 22LR and 5.7. pretty cool being able to easily swap baffles on and off for size/weight vs sound per the task at hand.
People, where are the "rupture a fruit" comments 😂? I thought for sure it would top of the list. I laughed until I cried! I know, I'm a child lol. Did nobody get the analogy 🤔?
Once you buy your first suppressor, you will buy more. I started with a Gemtech G5 over a decade ago for my semiauto rifle and now I have a .22 rimfire can, a 30 caliber thread mount can, and a 45 caliber pistol can. All of them have been used for hunting.
I have the gen 2 ultra 9 on my tikka 243 thermal setup and holy shit that can is amazing. But then i found out about AB Raptor cans and they’re even quieter.
Great analysis and use of excel. Your table on $/ft and $/lb formulae appear to be incorrect. Using the Specter 9 as an example you should have $2384/lb and $2216/ft. The rest of the table has this issue as well.
Check with your gunshop if they can order you one from one of their suppliers. My SOT was able to get me a 36m eventhough sico and silencershop had them on back order.
@@jonquirk9582 Thanks man, I was going to do just that this week since it’s been a year now waiting for an email! I was hoping to get it back before this hunting season kicks off but that may not happen at this rate.
@christopherkagawa1316 I called my local stores and no 30 cal ASR mounted cans..but I checked online as suggested and I just ordered today (back order) on Silencer Shop and also started a trust, thanks for the recommendation. So they said it will be maybe few months at the most for a restock definitely not a year, but it’s all paid up and the process started finally. I believe they will reserve me a serial number..’currently awaiting assignment’, so I can start all the paperwork once obtained. Have to go do the fingerprints tomorrow, pretty excited!
Mark. Rugged Surge X. It’ll hold up to 300RUM and it’s durable enough for the likes of you. Your 300wsm should do well. It is however not “lightweight”
They never went over any of the cans in regards to easy cleaning. Granted that most newer models are sonic cleaning only. Back earlier in the episode when they were talking heavily about suppressor tones. I couldn't help but have the idea of having the Bose audio guys team up with the manufacturer's. And create cans that create mating calls. Just need to carry several preloaded blank rounds.
The biggest pain in the ass was the fingerprint machine lol, it took about 40 mins to get all green (acceptable) prints. The rest was easy, went to my buddy’s house who happens to be a FFL, he helped me set up my eForm account, fill out the form 4, and had an app on his phone that took my “passport photo”. Paid the tyrant ATF $200 and now it’s just a wait time. Easy AF. I also had a NFA Trust set up years ago, never used it. The lawyer complicated everything and disappeared on me.
I love this podcast. You guys keep it so entertaining keep up the good work! Also, Mark, it's okay for cost to not be a factor in what you're pursuing. I too, like nice things and am willing to pay for it.
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I too like the idea of suppressors but the cost is ridiculous most hunters are using a rifle that's between 400 and $1,000. It's hard enough to convince me to buy a scope that's worth more than my gun but now another accessory that's twice the cost it's hard to stomach you're giving up another rifle or two you could own. I spoke with a suppresor rep at a booth of the western hunt show who was proud that his company funds lobbying efforts to make suppresors non nfa items. I told him i agree but also beleive if that happened within a year the market would explode with far cheaper imports that all these high priced us made companies would have a truly rough time surviving against amazon purchased 200 cans.
Not going to read all the comments, sorry if this was posted before. But a great all purpose can for all applications. Not cheap but awesome look at the The Maverick, from Area 419
I have 2 and wanna get a 3rd in 338 or 45 cause I want one on my 340 weatherby magnum ( next 10 minute talk ) and I want one on my 450 bushmaster for deer hunting in the straight wall area of Pennsylvania
Once they take all your information and fingerprint you, that’s the last time you gotta do that, last time I bought one I said I want that one paid in the money and six days. He called me and said it was clear 4473 and signed it walked out the door. With it. I’m sure there’s easier ways.
This was a great video with lots of really good information. The chart is also extremely helpful! I have a seekins 6 arc with a 22 inch barrel and looking for a singular can to put and keep on it. What would you guys recommend? Thanks!
Question from the UK with your tax stamps. Do you apply for the tax stamp with a particular suppressor in mind ie already know it's serial number etc. Or is it more like here in the UK. Where we apply for a suppressor (we call them moderators) to aquire and then buy which ever one takes your fancy? And if/when the mod needs replacing do you have to go through the same process all over again?
It’s a one stamp to one suppressor arrangement. You buy the stamp for the suppressor and if it needs to be replaced you’ll have to start again unless internal parts are replaceable.
@@jacobcline7076 fooling around with hearing protection while hunting is absurd in my opinion. To make an apples to oranges comparison.. if someone were to point a gun at you and pull the trigger, would you rather put on body armor, or put blanks in the gun?
A valid point, and well put. Thanks! One issue I run into is that I often hunt in groups and with shotguns. If I could only budget for one or the other, the ear pro can protect me in more situations than just hunting deer and coyotes with my deer rifle.
And to elaborate, I currently hunt using Peltor EEP-100 in-ear electronic ear pro. You can hear fairly well with them in, but they definitely do distort the outside world a bit. I haven't experienced fancier ones.
For someone getting into it for the first time, how effective is it to use a 30 cal can on a 223? Id like to have something versatile to start out. The Rearden attachment sounds like a good way to move one device around. Thanks
MDT has a video comparing the volumes of different sized cans with various sized cartridges. The really short answer is: get a .30 cal can and it’ll work for everything.
Great can, but not really for hunting. While it absolutely would work if it’s what you got but it’s heavier and doesn’t reduce sound as much as many other options, that’s the trade off to overall signature reduction and the full auto rating.
I’d like to see you guys shoot sporting clays. Recording your results with and without red dots. Extra points if you place the red dot at different points on the gun.
Mark, i completely agree your you!! A can needs to be hunter ready but.... should SHTF be ready for a shoot out 😂 Yall crack me up! I dig the preper vibe you guys put out, and get a kick out of that kinda stuff :) Podcast Video requests: hunting revolvers with scopes/redots. Anything preper themed.
" me Asking if a can is full auto without having a full auto in my inventory or a fast trigger finger like jerry"😂😂😂 i feel that For that just incase you did get a full auto ,( which isnt happening any time soon) and need that can to be full auto should shtf out in a hunting situation with the apocalypse kicking off 😂😂😂😂
In Australian parliament many years ago they actually used the movie " Assassin's" with Stallone as in why we cant have "silencers '. Excuse was that people can be murdered in total silence. Its actually sad
I have watched these vids dating back 3 years and you still do not have a CAN. Dam I started 3 years ago and I am up to 8 all have different jobs for different guns. Just like guns or scopes if there was one perfect one then only one would exist and everybody would own one! Just get off the pot and buy one!
I believe all suppressors are at least a bit overbored. It’s not like the suppressor is gonna have rifling to actually touch the bullet. That’s actually a big no no for suppressors to not touch the bullet as it passes through. I would assume suppressor bores are mostly about 2 calibers bigger than what they’re advertised
@@msquared9605I can't quote the source anymore but from a sound suppression standpoint there is/was not much difference between shooting 9mm with a 9mm can vs using a 45 can.
@@msquared9605 my comment assumed that we all know suppressor bores are bigger than the projectile (generally around 20% larger) so my bad for not specifying that. But 5.56 cans have an even larger bore usually for a couple of reasons, first 5.56 is very gassy and most commonly shot from a semi auto/AR platform so more gas flow with a bigger bore is actually a good thing. Secondly the tooling is easier to work with when you have a larger bore. Some 5.56 cans have enough clearance to fire 6.5mm/.264 projectiles safely as long as you don’t have alignment issues.
@ronbeckybeasley3566 That's completely idiotic 😂 you'll be that fudd at the gun club going " what!?" To people speaking right next to you, because you've lost all your hearing when you're 60. My omega36m from silencerco only moved my point of impact an inch down. Didn't change my accuracy at all. Real men use suppressors
Im surprised about the Price of suppressors in the US, in Denmark we Can buy them over the counter as long as you have a valid permit for a Rifle it Will fit on, and the really expensive ones are like 1000$ 😅 you should look at some of the over barrel ones we got over here, really shortens the total lenght of your rig 😁
Great episode, Couple of things of note. I got approved for my first suppressor nearly two months ago (7 Days approval time) on an Omega 300 DTM model. I replaced the direct thread mount with an Area 419 Bravo suppressor mount and have since been moving it between three different rifles each fitted with an Area 419 Hellfire universal adaptar. One is a 22 Inch 6.5 Creedmoor, a 24 Inch 7MM PRC and a 16 Inch 5.56/223 (all bolt actions). I currently have a 30-30 being threaded by the gunsmith which will also become a host soon. When I first got it I was not really thrilled with the look of the “anchor brake” as SilencerCO refer to it is nor did I like the extra one inch in length so I ordered a flat end cap to replace it with. The flat end cap took about 10 days to arrive to obviously I wanted to test out my new can before that so I took it to the range several times and mainly shot the 6.5 Creedmoor and got very familiar with how the gun shot. Before I had the can I shot that gun with the Area 419 Hellfire Match muzzle brake (look it up, that thing is huge) so I was very familiar with how it shot with the can vs the brake. I found that the can with the anchor brake tend to give the rifle a much softer and elongated recoil impulse that was very easy to manage and track sight picture through the scope even under recoil. The brake was a sharp but nearly instantaneous recoil impulse and though it probably did a better job at reducing sheer recoil I found it to be more disorienting and the sharp jarring of the rifle even with such an effective brake was enough to make me lose my sight picture even if just for a split second. It’s hard to describe, the gun by no means recoiled hard. It felt like a very very very loud .22 Mag at the shoulder but it was just a sharp and fast moving recoil impulse. Once I got the flat end cap I took the 6.5 CM back to the range and shot 100 rounds and couldn’t but feel that my rifle was recoiling noticeably more than I remember. I was losing my sight picture and experiencing noticeably more muzzle rise. by the time I finished those 100 rounds I remembered that I switched out the braked en cap for the flat end cap. I was not completely sold on the anchor brake yet because even though I felt as though I was experiencing less recoil with the brake I was not completely sure because as light recoiling as 6.5 CM is + any suppressor it tends to take what little bite out of it anyways. However, it was not until I got home later that day that I decided to test out the 7 PRC with and without the anchor brake back to back and that’s where I noticed an unmistakable and quite frankly a huge difference in recoil impulse and felt recoil at the shoulder. I should be clear by saying that a suppressor by itself it’s going to make most any gun (particularly manually cycled guns) more pleasant to shoot as it dampens and draws out the recoil impulse but it was not until I shot a Magnum cartridge that I was really able to feel the brake at work. With the flat end cap I would compare the 7 PRC to shooting like a dampened/slightly softer at the shoulder .270 Win in recoil impulse/felt recoil. With the anchor brake it feels almost exactly like my 30-30 Henry which is extremely soft shooting and pleasant to shoot. I was pretty astounded by the difference. I will note that I have mot been able to tell a difference in sound between the two end caps but may be worth noting that I used a pair of custom fitted ear plugs when I shoot. With my suppressed rifles they sound about half as loud as my unsuppressed pistols. An unsuppressed rifle is still ear ringing loud with those earplug. Sorry for the novel folks, just wanted to present my findings. Side note I cannot recommend the Omega 300 enough. People really tend to dismiss this can because it’s older and not the latest razzle dazzle on the market but god is it nice and fairly lightweight as things considered (though still a far cry from some of the cans you covered on this podcast.) happy shooting!
I'm currently into the 2nd month of waiting for my first suppressor. Thanks for covering this topic so extensively on your podcast. Learning as I wait really helps!
Nomad Ti with an E-brake. And I don’t wanna be that guy but xeno I feel is superior than rearden but yes the amount of products rearden has is stellar I just am on team xeno
Rugged Alaskan Ti BUY IT, KNOW YOU GOT THE BEST, AND NEVER LOOK BACK....UNTIL YOU BUY ANOTHER ONE FOR YOUR SMALL BORE RIFLE. Done. Saved 1hr and 47mins of your lives.
Wait for the dirty Dave by CAT. Supposed to be a 6 inch version of the ODB, and if they make it in titanium it should be around 8 oz. If you buy it in inconel it truly is a jack of all trades suppressor
Can confirm CAT is incredibly solid and worth saving up for- especially if you care about sound quality most of all. It does strange spooky things to 5.56, even out of the ODB. (No FRP)
Awesome breakdown, fellas! Hunting with a suppressor really does improve the experience, and making the right choice in size and weight is important. If anyone has any questions about getting the right can fo your hunting rig, we're happy to help out! - Chase
I’m just say silencershop has been awesome!! Used you guys for 3 cans now easiest way to do it
I’m looking for a can for my Mossberg MVP Scout. Something affordable is my main criteria. Any recommendations?
I'm looking for a few suggestions for a Bergara B14 squared Crest hunting rifle in 7 PRC, it would be very appreciated.
As a data analytics student I got a kick out of the pivot table discussion.
As someone who was a computer programmer and then systems analyst in the early 1980s, that discussion cracked me up. “Pivot table” is a relational database. However, it is immensely cool that there’s a tool to present that data visually for a consumer.
While I like suppressors, it's the tax stamp is what keeps me from getting more. I just hate giving them that money which will be used for nothing good.
Could be going away. Lawsuits filed today I believe
@@masone4589 Yep, I am watching closely, and holding out hope.
You mean $40M a week to the Taliban isn’t a good use of taxpayer money? Please explain 😤
I always heard just having one multiplies your prison time if you are unfortunate to have one when committing a crime. Not that I do anything like that, but just the added liability of some minor offense turning from a simple citation to "pound me in the aas Federal prison time" keeps me away from thinking about owning one...lol But I'm, I could be wrong
@@anonymousf454I’d talk to your lawyer about that. Doesn’t sound right unless maybe the can was used in the crime. Don’t let that deter you without having the correct info
As a microsoft excel enthusiast myself, I loved hearing the discussion on pivot tables 😂
😂 guilty
I think more companies should make direct thread inexpensive aluminum cans with good volume and shorter size. Basically make them semi-disposable hunting cans, although for a light use hunting rig they would likely last near forever if you kept the heat down. No reason a company couldn’t make a 5” long, 1.75”diameter aluminum can that has 3-4 simple clipped baffles. Charge $400 bucks.
About Suppressors in Europe, in some countries like Italy and Spain, the Supressors are prohibited, and here in Switzerland you have to request a Special Authorization to be allow to buy just one suppressor.
Interesting Podcast, thank you.
I think we need to bring back Lightweight Dave to get an update.
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Ryan.
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Quote Mark.
"I don't want to have a super long package..."
Had the same problem Mark had with not being able to pull the trigger on a suppressor but finally went through silencer central and have two cans waiting for approval. They made the paperwork a cakewalk which was my biggest hang up.
Good for you! You will enjoy having them…
I'm hooked on cans! Good analogy on the snap of fingers vs. pop a balloon. Just started last fall hunting with them and won't go back! Great podcast as always.
I’m a lot like Ryan, crippling internal paralysis when making these decisions. Finally have my first suppressor approved and should be in hand soon, a banish backcountry
I have one and like it. Being Hub mount compatible, relatively short and light weight makes it a pretty good package. Not cheap though and SC shipped mine without a mount… any mount… then shipped out the wrong mount. Not happy with that at all.
@@chipsterb4946 I received mine about a month ago, same issue, except I got the correct mount about a month later. Still haven’t shot with it though
All Rise for the honorable Professor Ryan
AB started as a turbo charger company, Jim outta like that, and the tech is “spiral baffles”. The reflex is basically a muzzle device that adds volume via the backside and utilizes free real estate over the barrel. They’re phenomenal cans! Short, light, quiet, and economical!
A week ago I wouldn't believe it. But 6 days ago I shot one. . . Definitely a believer and will be ordering one. Blew my mind
I bought a can based upon the published weight from the manufacturer that ended up 3oz heavier than I expected. Why? They did not include the weight of the direct thread adapter in their published number.
A lot of companies do that unfortunately.
I Shot the AB raptor on a 257 Weatherby at the Reeds Gun Fair last weekend. Let me be the first to say I think it's the fuglyst suppressor ever made. . But holy poop! Life changing. The most quiet can I've shot to date and light. It's worth a look if you can get hands on one it'll change your life. Also has a wired sound signature you wont forget lol Will definitely be ordering one.
Silencerco Scythe Ti best lightweight hunting suppressor period!
I am saving up for one to supplement my EVO.
For its size and weight can't beat it, the brake on the end works great too.
I was hoping to get one but the local store had one left and it was sold before I got off work I ended up getting the omega 300 and got the titanium end cap and it’s is only about 2-3 oz heavier using the direct thread and short light endcap
You could have an episode just about mounting options. The closest thing to standard I've seen is Q's Plan B. Rearden and wolfpack armory (& others) make mounts and adapters. This is where I'm stuck.
Nice discussion and nice chart!
Thank you much!
Great breakdown. Wish there was a little more discussion on specific cans. Looking for one myself and looking into a couple brands that aren’t listed like the Resilient Jolene AAC Jaeger and Gemtech Tracker they’re deff low cost and in that mid weight range.
I started with one 3 years ago and now I have 11 lol. I almost refuse to shoot unsupressed unless it's for 2 gun competition stuff
AB Raptor has had my attention for a while and hey the best slogan too "Ribbed for ear pleasure."
CGS Helios titanium!! Is a good do all. Not the shortest, not quietest but light weight and does everything pretty good.
Suppressor ownership is easy, I too was once intimidated by what the internet told me, find a good local shop that works for you and just ask questions. I definitely prefer to shop local over the online platforms, but just pull the band aid and get to it, no better time than current times!
So I have the regular Alaskan 360, it's still light at just over 11oz and does fantastic on my 20" 270 winchester. I just wish they made different caliber end caps other than 22, 30 and 36 like 6.5 and 7mm end caps, May knock a little more sound off but overall does excellent
I was wondering the same thing. It’s actually 9.4 oz without RUM but I use the RUM for repeatability switching rifles. Have used it on 223, 224 valk, 243 win, 300 wm. Has worked well on all of them. I think the few oz more is well worth saving $500-$600, at least for my application.
I'm an engineer, and I created a Pugh matrix to decide which suppressor I wanted, which rifle, etc Takes the emotion out of it
I also have suppressor paralysis. I'm working on it and this might be the year.
It's a real thing.:)
Mark B.
New to Firearms and definitely we don’t know anything about suppressors. So would the suppressor go behind the birdcage or would the birdcage go in front of the suppressor.
I recently put together a Weatherby Backcountry with a Razor LHT and a SilencerCo Scythe-Ti. All up weighs less than 7 lbs. Great show
Error in the data: HuxWrx Ventum is listed as over $1600. MSRP is $996, street price is about $850. Must have gotten mixed up with the Flow 762 or something.
Otherwise a great discussion and do really appreciate the table with all the data!
They just make ones for you in different barrel thicknesses here in South Africa. I have a GunWarrior reflex suppressor, and they literally built me what I wanted, and shipped it within a week. I think the whole thing cost me less than your tax stamp.
200+ likes, mark definitely needs to get a suppressor
Where is the regular Alaskan360 on the list? It's 11oz and only $800ish!
I love my Rugged Suppressors
I just bought my first three cans. Got approved in 2 days! Now’s the time to buy Mark!!!!!&Boys!!!!!
As Ryan once said a European Hunter asked him once why you Americans have so large Guns (and yes i mean Barrel Length) what Mark wants is here in Europe the Norm a Overbarrel Supressor for Hunting makes the whole package smaller and when you pair it with a 20inch Barrel or even shorter its a winner .... the longest Barrels you see at the Moment in Europe for new Hunting Rifles are 22inch max most are 20inch
These Hunting Supressors where you put only these one Round at a Time through are cheap as Dirt here in Germany a relativly light Can that have enough Sound Reduction for Hunting start at 350€
Which are “Fully SemiAutomatic”rated?
Thoughts on a carbon fiber barrel and stock on a 300 prc rifle that weighs less thsn 5 pounds?
JK armament has some neat modular cans that can easily be adjusted by removing/adding individual baffles. .30cal SBRX can go as small as 3.3" @ 4.4oz. up to 6.6" at 12.8oz. can't speak to the effectiveness in super compact arrangements because I have been waiting since the bad ol days of looong wait time. I've run their rimfire 22 can a bit though and it's dandy on 22LR and 5.7. pretty cool being able to easily swap baffles on and off for size/weight vs sound per the task at hand.
and I also say no mention of light weight Dave? IIRC he was waffling about some 9oz unit on the end of his rifle?
Freyr & Devik is a noteworthy option for anyone looking for a lightweight supressor
I frequently drive past your facility in Wisconsin, and I am always imagining that I will stop by and weigh in on one of these videos. Just saying…..
Do you tape the suppressor as you would with the muzzle?
People, where are the "rupture a fruit" comments 😂? I thought for sure it would top of the list. I laughed until I cried! I know, I'm a child lol.
Did nobody get the analogy 🤔?
Once you buy your first suppressor, you will buy more. I started with a Gemtech G5 over a decade ago for my semiauto rifle and now I have a .22 rimfire can, a 30 caliber thread mount can, and a 45 caliber pistol can. All of them have been used for hunting.
What about a can if shtf, in case your out hunting and get into a wester style shoot out with bandits
The court battles are only thing that has sped atf wait times
I have the gen 2 ultra 9 on my tikka 243 thermal setup and holy shit that can is amazing. But then i found out about AB Raptor cans and they’re even quieter.
Great analysis and use of excel. Your table on $/ft and $/lb formulae appear to be incorrect. Using the Specter 9 as an example you should have $2384/lb and $2216/ft. The rest of the table has this issue as well.
Would like an SilencerCo Omega 36m but still out of stock/back order last I checked.
I already have the ASR muzzle brake on my two .308 and 5.56.
Check with your gunshop if they can order you one from one of their suppliers. My SOT was able to get me a 36m eventhough sico and silencershop had them on back order.
@@jonquirk9582 Thanks man, I was going to do just that this week since it’s been a year now waiting for an email! I was hoping to get it back before this hunting season kicks off but that may not happen at this rate.
@christopherkagawa1316 I called my local stores and no 30 cal ASR mounted cans..but I checked online as suggested and I just ordered today (back order) on Silencer Shop and also started a trust, thanks for the recommendation.
So they said it will be maybe few months at the most for a restock definitely not a year, but it’s all paid up and the process started finally.
I believe they will reserve me a serial number..’currently awaiting assignment’, so I can start all the paperwork once obtained.
Have to go do the fingerprints tomorrow, pretty excited!
Mark. Rugged Surge X. It’ll hold up to 300RUM and it’s durable enough for the likes of you. Your 300wsm should do well. It is however not “lightweight”
They make a stainless baffled Alaskan 360 that’s tougher and cheaper
Silencerco Evo or even lighter Scythe Ti.
They never went over any of the cans in regards to easy cleaning. Granted that most newer models are sonic cleaning only.
Back earlier in the episode when they were talking heavily about suppressor tones. I couldn't help but have the idea of having the Bose audio guys team up with the manufacturer's. And create cans that create mating calls. Just need to carry several preloaded blank rounds.
Mark still doesn’t have a can that’s crazy at this point
The biggest pain in the ass was the fingerprint machine lol, it took about 40 mins to get all green (acceptable) prints. The rest was easy, went to my buddy’s house who happens to be a FFL, he helped me set up my eForm account, fill out the form 4, and had an app on his phone that took my “passport photo”. Paid the tyrant ATF $200 and now it’s just a wait time. Easy AF. I also had a NFA Trust set up years ago, never used it. The lawyer complicated everything and disappeared on me.
I love this podcast. You guys keep it so entertaining keep up the good work! Also, Mark, it's okay for cost to not be a factor in what you're pursuing. I too, like nice things and am willing to pay for it.
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I too like the idea of suppressors but the cost is ridiculous most hunters are using a rifle that's between 400 and $1,000. It's hard enough to convince me to buy a scope that's worth more than my gun but now another accessory that's twice the cost it's hard to stomach you're giving up another rifle or two you could own.
I spoke with a suppresor rep at a booth of the western hunt show who was proud that his company funds lobbying efforts to make suppresors non nfa items. I told him i agree but also beleive if that happened within a year the market would explode with far cheaper imports that all these high priced us made companies would have a truly rough time surviving against amazon purchased 200 cans.
Not going to read all the comments, sorry if this was posted before. But a great all purpose can for all applications. Not cheap but awesome look at the The Maverick, from Area 419
I have 2 and wanna get a 3rd in 338 or 45 cause I want one on my 340 weatherby magnum ( next 10 minute talk ) and I want one on my 450 bushmaster for deer hunting in the straight wall area of Pennsylvania
Should have my wyoming arms 4² any day now
Once they take all your information and fingerprint you, that’s the last time you gotta do that, last time I bought one I said I want that one paid in the money and six days. He called me and said it was clear 4473 and signed it walked out the door. With it. I’m sure there’s easier ways.
What rings and accessory device do you have on the front rings? Are they from Vortex?
Ryan and Rob have to be related I was expecting rob to be introduced as Ryan’s brother
This was a great video with lots of really good information. The chart is also extremely helpful!
I have a seekins 6 arc with a 22 inch barrel and looking for a singular can to put and keep on it. What would you guys recommend?
Thanks!
I run a Thunderbeast Ultra 5 on my 16” 6 ARC and it’s a monster.
Dead air Nomad Ti for the win.........
My omega 36m is nice but the paint is crap and bubbled up the first 15 rounds of 5.56.
I was leaning towards the Banish 30 Backcountry, but the Rex can now has my attention. Any suggestions between those 2 specifically?
I've been thinking bout the same thing lately. I really like the look of some of the rex cans
I want the lightest. I just got one approved in two days
Can I get a copy of that suppressor chart you guys made
Question from the UK with your tax stamps. Do you apply for the tax stamp with a particular suppressor in mind ie already know it's serial number etc. Or is it more like here in the UK. Where we apply for a suppressor (we call them moderators) to aquire and then buy which ever one takes your fancy?
And if/when the mod needs replacing do you have to go through the same process all over again?
It’s a one stamp to one suppressor arrangement. You buy the stamp for the suppressor and if it needs to be replaced you’ll have to start again unless internal parts are replaceable.
thunder beast ultra 5?
What the application: wet work?
Would you rather have a suppressor you can use on your deer rifle only or high end hearing protection to use with all your gun hunting?
Suppressor
@@msquared9605 , please elaborate.
@@jacobcline7076 fooling around with hearing protection while hunting is absurd in my opinion.
To make an apples to oranges comparison.. if someone were to point a gun at you and pull the trigger, would you rather put on body armor, or put blanks in the gun?
A valid point, and well put. Thanks! One issue I run into is that I often hunt in groups and with shotguns. If I could only budget for one or the other, the ear pro can protect me in more situations than just hunting deer and coyotes with my deer rifle.
And to elaborate, I currently hunt using Peltor EEP-100 in-ear electronic ear pro. You can hear fairly well with them in, but they definitely do distort the outside world a bit. I haven't experienced fancier ones.
For someone getting into it for the first time, how effective is it to use a 30 cal can on a 223? Id like to have something versatile to start out. The Rearden attachment sounds like a good way to move one device around.
Thanks
Me ears can’t distinguish between my 8.5” 300blk and 16” 223 with my trash panda
MDT has a video comparing the volumes of different sized cans with various sized cartridges. The really short answer is: get a .30 cal can and it’ll work for everything.
That's why they put it on them
No Surefire on this chart. Would really like to see how it compares.
Great can, but not really for hunting. While it absolutely would work if it’s what you got but it’s heavier and doesn’t reduce sound as much as many other options, that’s the trade off to overall signature reduction and the full auto rating.
Yeah surefire is pretty much king of the military type suppressors. But they’re Probly around the 157th best suppressor for hunting
My blackout is louder impacting subsonic than it is actaully going off lol
I’d like to see you guys shoot sporting clays. Recording your results with and without red dots. Extra points if you place the red dot at different points on the gun.
Curious to how many suppressors all the listeners own. Reply below with how many you currently have.
Wait times right now are ridiculously short!!!
The funny part is now its a manufacturing bottleneck. Demand has been there but the wait time stopped as many people from getting them.
Got my first can approved on the morning of day 7
Mark, i completely agree your you!! A can needs to be hunter ready but.... should SHTF be ready for a shoot out 😂
Yall crack me up! I dig the preper vibe you guys put out, and get a kick out of that kinda stuff :)
Podcast Video requests:
hunting revolvers with scopes/redots.
Anything preper themed.
Im only a few days into my wait kind of feeling like $1200 should have been saved.
" me Asking if a can is full auto without having a full auto in my inventory or a fast trigger finger like jerry"😂😂😂 i feel that
For that just incase you did get a full auto ,( which isnt happening any time soon) and need that can to be full auto should shtf out in a hunting situation with the apocalypse kicking off 😂😂😂😂
Why doesn’t someone just pull up a tube video on the AB suppressors
In Australian parliament many years ago they actually used the movie " Assassin's" with Stallone as in why we cant have "silencers '. Excuse was that people can be murdered in total silence. Its actually sad
I’m afraid paying the $200 tax is going to fall under common use and they will just expect us to pay that forever
I have watched these vids dating back 3 years and you still do not have a CAN. Dam I started 3 years ago and I am up to 8 all have different jobs for different guns. Just like guns or scopes if there was one perfect one then only one would exist and everybody would own one!
Just get off the pot and buy one!
Well at least the ATF is doing something helpful instead of something not helpful now.
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Fun fact: most 5.56 cans are overbored and can accommodate 6mm projectiles
I believe all suppressors are at least a bit overbored. It’s not like the suppressor is gonna have rifling to actually touch the bullet. That’s actually a big no no for suppressors to not touch the bullet as it passes through. I would assume suppressor bores are mostly about 2 calibers bigger than what they’re advertised
@@msquared9605I can't quote the source anymore but from a sound suppression standpoint there is/was not much difference between shooting 9mm with a 9mm can vs using a 45 can.
@@msquared9605 my comment assumed that we all know suppressor bores are bigger than the projectile (generally around 20% larger) so my bad for not specifying that. But 5.56 cans have an even larger bore usually for a couple of reasons, first 5.56 is very gassy and most commonly shot from a semi auto/AR platform so more gas flow with a bigger bore is actually a good thing. Secondly the tooling is easier to work with when you have a larger bore. Some 5.56 cans have enough clearance to fire 6.5mm/.264 projectiles safely as long as you don’t have alignment issues.
Typical.. Dumbest guy in the room keeps overtalking the smartest guy in the room.
What a shitty thing to say.
Fortunately for them they are all friends and enjoy chatting about such things together, and you just wish you had a friend.
@@jaydunbar7538 truer words never spoken 👍🏼
Suppressors are absolutely useless for hunting.
I’ll counter you with this:
No
@@msquared9605 they look like crap. Expensive and adds way to much length to the barrel. REAL MEN don’t use them
@@ronbeckybeasley3566 lmao is that what your boyfriend told you
@ronbeckybeasley3566 That's completely idiotic 😂 you'll be that fudd at the gun club going " what!?" To people speaking right next to you, because you've lost all your hearing when you're 60. My omega36m from silencerco only moved my point of impact an inch down. Didn't change my accuracy at all. Real men use suppressors
I've never seen something more incorrect in my life.
There's one guy that likes to hear himself talk, and make the video undesirable.
It’s like Ryan Muckenhern is sitting next to Ryan Muckenhern…. Pretty awesome!
😂 he's just beside himself. Wa wa waaaa. I'm a dorkfish. 🤷♂️
Im surprised about the Price of suppressors in the US, in Denmark we Can buy them over the counter as long as you have a valid permit for a Rifle it Will fit on, and the really expensive ones are like 1000$ 😅 you should look at some of the over barrel ones we got over here, really shortens the total lenght of your rig 😁
Great episode,
Couple of things of note. I got approved for my first suppressor nearly two months ago (7 Days approval time) on an Omega 300 DTM model. I replaced the direct thread mount with an Area 419 Bravo suppressor mount and have since been moving it between three different rifles each fitted with an Area 419 Hellfire universal adaptar. One is a 22 Inch 6.5 Creedmoor, a 24 Inch 7MM PRC and a 16 Inch 5.56/223 (all bolt actions). I currently have a 30-30 being threaded by the gunsmith which will also become a host soon. When I first got it I was not really thrilled with the look of the “anchor brake” as SilencerCO refer to it is nor did I like the extra one inch in length so I ordered a flat end cap to replace it with. The flat end cap took about 10 days to arrive to obviously I wanted to test out my new can before that so I took it to the range several times and mainly shot the 6.5 Creedmoor and got very familiar with how the gun shot. Before I had the can I shot that gun with the Area 419 Hellfire Match muzzle brake (look it up, that thing is huge) so I was very familiar with how it shot with the can vs the brake. I found that the can with the anchor brake tend to give the rifle a much softer and elongated recoil impulse that was very easy to manage and track sight picture through the scope even under recoil. The brake was a sharp but nearly instantaneous recoil impulse and though it probably did a better job at reducing sheer recoil I found it to be more disorienting and the sharp jarring of the rifle even with such an effective brake was enough to make me lose my sight picture even if just for a split second. It’s hard to describe, the gun by no means recoiled hard. It felt like a very very very loud .22 Mag at the shoulder but it was just a sharp and fast moving recoil impulse.
Once I got the flat end cap I took the 6.5 CM back to the range and shot 100 rounds and couldn’t but feel that my rifle was recoiling noticeably more than I remember. I was losing my sight picture and experiencing noticeably more muzzle rise. by the time I finished those 100 rounds I remembered that I switched out the braked en cap for the flat end cap. I was not completely sold on the anchor brake yet because even though I felt as though I was experiencing less recoil with the brake I was not completely sure because as light recoiling as 6.5 CM is + any suppressor it tends to take what little bite out of it anyways. However, it was not until I got home later that day that I decided to test out the 7 PRC with and without the anchor brake back to back and that’s where I noticed an unmistakable and quite frankly a huge difference in recoil impulse and felt recoil at the shoulder. I should be clear by saying that a suppressor by itself it’s going to make most any gun (particularly manually cycled guns) more pleasant to shoot as it dampens and draws out the recoil impulse but it was not until I shot a Magnum cartridge that I was really able to feel the brake at work. With the flat end cap I would compare the 7 PRC to shooting like a dampened/slightly softer at the shoulder .270 Win in recoil impulse/felt recoil. With the anchor brake it feels almost exactly like my 30-30 Henry which is extremely soft shooting and pleasant to shoot. I was pretty astounded by the difference. I will note that I have mot been able to tell a difference in sound between the two end caps but may be worth noting that I used a pair of custom fitted ear plugs when I shoot. With my suppressed rifles they sound about half as loud as my unsuppressed pistols. An unsuppressed rifle is still ear ringing loud with those earplug. Sorry for the novel folks, just wanted to present my findings. Side note I cannot recommend the Omega 300 enough. People really tend to dismiss this can because it’s older and not the latest razzle dazzle on the market but god is it nice and fairly lightweight as things considered (though still a far cry from some of the cans you covered on this podcast.) happy shooting!
I finally got over the hump and this video did it. I just started the process on purchasing my first can!
I'm currently into the 2nd month of waiting for my first suppressor. Thanks for covering this topic so extensively on your podcast. Learning as I wait really helps!
Nomad Ti with an E-brake. And I don’t wanna be that guy but xeno I feel is superior than rearden but yes the amount of products rearden has is stellar I just am on team xeno
Rugged Alaskan Ti BUY IT, KNOW YOU GOT THE BEST, AND NEVER LOOK BACK....UNTIL YOU BUY ANOTHER ONE FOR YOUR SMALL BORE RIFLE. Done. Saved 1hr and 47mins of your lives.
Yeah, I can’t have just one. I am addicted now.
Wait for the dirty Dave by CAT. Supposed to be a 6 inch version of the ODB, and if they make it in titanium it should be around 8 oz. If you buy it in inconel it truly is a jack of all trades suppressor
Can confirm CAT is incredibly solid and worth saving up for- especially if you care about sound quality most of all. It does strange spooky things to 5.56, even out of the ODB. (No FRP)
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