Seneca | Why Worry About What Isn't Real? (Stoicism)
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- In a letter to his dear friend Lucilius, Stoic philosopher Seneca wrote: “There are more things, Lucilius, likely to frighten us than there are to crush us; we suffer more often in imagination than in reality.”
Chronic worriers tend to be more occupied by the future than by present circumstances. During the day, and even during the night, their thoughts wander in the mysterious realm of what’s yet to come, plotting, planning, and calculating on how to tackle an unfortunate fate that might rear its ugly head.
But even though they wish to control the future, they’ve never gone beyond the confines of the present. This is because the future doesn’t exist, except in our minds. We can’t live in the future, and we can’t predict it. Sure, we can plan for things that might come, but the present usually unfolds in different and often surprising ways.
Still, many of us fix our attention on the unknown and fantasize endlessly about how things that we can’t possibly predict will present themselves to us. Seneca observed this phenomenon in his friend Lucilius as well as in the people around him. He counterattacked this often tiresome and destructive stance towards the illusory domain of the future with Stoic reasoning, explaining why worrying about it is pointless, and advising us on what to do instead.
This video (Why Worry About What Isn't Real? | Seneca's Philosophy to End Worrying) explores Seneca’s antidotes to worry and groundless fears.
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00:00 - Intro
01:40 - Groundless fears
04:08 - Are your sufferings real or imaginary?
07:29 - Even bad fortune is fickle
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Which letter was this? 77?
NO
@@johnmanole4779 1
I just ordered the book…this channel has brought me so much peace…thank you!
"Our anxieties do not come from worrying about the future, but from trying to control it." - Anonymous
You can only control your own actions towards a better future. Recognize bad patterns in your life, get rid of them, and exchange them with good patterns instead. Move your being forward and upwards and never depend on anyone but yourself.
Facts
Thats not an anonymous quote, thats from Kahlil Gibran
@@True38 Terrible advice.
"We Suffer More In Imagination Than In Reality."
- Seneca
I think this has Relevance in our Modern world People's lives are much more Secure and Danger free than in the past
Why can't I make my feelings come in line with my reason? I know better, why don't I feel better?
@a moron where did you get that information from or are you just making things up now because as far as i know this guy doesn't really use social media except to update his video's or to post quotes
Good. I will always remember this quote...forever
Many people suffer quite a lot without needing much imagination, though. And if we take imagination as just the bit of suffering happening beyond reality-based woes, then the quote becomes utter BS.
This too shall pass, but first "this" has to get here. Be here now.
Beautiful
The present moment is all you ever have in life. Anything else only exists in the mind, so yes be here now 🙂
@Flow Brambles Obviously.
isn't this here already.
@@infiniteloop8665 Most people are looking to a future event, rather than living in the present. Their "this" is imaginary... Does that make sense?
As a overthinker, I feel the pain and suffering of constantly living in fear and anxiety about a future that does not exist.
I used to see it as preparation for a spontaneous event, but now I see it as a curse that has caused me more pain than any other human done to me.
My wish is inner peace and this channel and many other similar channels have helped me over the years.
Many thanks and best regards to all of you.
Hi, thanks for your comment.
What other similar channels have helped you?
🙏
@@dimitrigonzalosfromperthau2633 Hi, you're welcome. 🙏
The other channels I do watch that have helped me thru hard times is:
Jay Shetty.
Alpha.m.
Master Sri Akarshana.
Sadhguru.
Fearless Soul.
Team Fearless.
This one and some more that I don't remeber the name of, sorry.
But Im sure that you will finde out witch ones they are.
Take care of yourself. 🙏💙
@@jeslord718 thanks heaps 😊😊
I pretty much know all those channels to.
Anything that you do and have found yourself that helps with your over thinking, your anxiety and fear?
Thankyou 🙏
@@dimitrigonzalosfromperthau2633 Well I have been thinking on myself a bit more, and asked myself how I'm doing.
And how can I help myself.
I have also been more active in doing things like go to the gym, spend time with good friends, reading more books, eating more healthy and the list go on.
I hope some of this tips will help you in your daily life.
Thank you! 🙏😌
@@dimitrigonzalosfromperthau2633 I want to also add, check out Orion Philosophy. It's usually quotes from philosophical texts, and I've found it also very beneficial.
This channel I've been following for the past 3-4 years. And his content has helped me through some very rough patches and find more peace also.
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it is called the present."
Yes, PRESENT= presente = regalo 💫.
You quote me Kid
Master oogwayyyyy
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Somebody once told me, “ dwelling on the past creates depression; dwelling on the future causes stress and anxiety “
Yep, I heard of that too. What do u do to stay in the present?
@@MindNow That's a great question. For me, I like to journal. I try to journal at least 15 minutes a day and while I'm journaling I allow myself to write whatever comes to mind.
Another thing that helps me stay in the present is finding hobbies/activities that I'm passionate about. For example, I occasionally get lost in a book that I'm reading or I might be too focused on a particular project/endeavor.
@@checkreactz that’s nice to hear! What books do u read?
@@MindNow I like to read self-help type books and autobiographies/ biographies. One of my all time favorite is "The Autobiography of Malcolm X" written by Alex Haley. I would also recommend any book by Robert Greene as well. My goal for the near future is to alternate between fiction and non-fiction books.
@@checkreactz thank u for sharing that with me 😊🙏❤️
“If you are depressed you are living in the past, If you are anxious you are living in the future,
If you are at peace you are living in the present.”
Lao Tzu
🙏
And when you have CREATED a positive future, YOU LIVE IN BLISS!
Another of those statements of omitted reality check.
Depression is a strategy of energy conservation when the future looks hopeless, when neither fight nor flight is considered feasible.
The more I meditate, the less these things bother me. I think anxiousness about the future is something that can be solved by spending a few moments alone in deep concentration every day 🙏
Agreed. Time in focused thought can reveal truths behind why exactly we worry and can even provide valuable strategies to follow in order be to set on a better path with clarity.
Absolutely so true, it's the same the world over. Worry pretends to be necessary.
Hallelujah.... 👋
X2!!!!
Really???? How?? Cause I'm in a very bad period full of fears and scared
Self trust is key! Trust yourself to get through anything, and you absolutely can, then there's no need for overthinking.
I agree my friend....I have been thinking about that....
I absolutely do not trust myself
Empty life advice guru babble that attempts to validate itself.
How to get through anything is key. If it would have to be through something that severely goes against your conscience, then you might get through life finally, over it,, but everybody eventually does, so that's not really helpful, except to people who say such things to comfort themselves. It is part of toxic positivity - a denial of undesirable emotions.
When I'm worrying incessantly at night, I imagine turning the light on in my room. It's simple and somehow has the power to change everything. It fills me with light and hope. And makes me feel a little silly for having, just moments before, dug into that cave of darkness so deeply. Another thing to do is to breathe in, count to 4, hold your breath for a count of 7, exhale for a count of 8. Do this about 4 or 5 times and you will realize that you have lost that focus on worrying about a particular thing. You might even be able to get back to sleep!
Thank you for sharing your practical tips 👍
@ No problem. I've been a worrier all my life. At 61, that is a lot of time wasted on things that never materialized. I'm hoping to quiet that gnawing worry monster within during the years I have left. Watching videos like yours does help. Keep up the good work!
@@Fair-to-Middling Good pracitical advice. I do something similar. I imagine a difficult body movement in detail. In my case a Tai Chi Chuan exercise. I do this especially when I can't fall asleep. Most of the time I am already asleep before I finish the imagination.
Hypnosis is very helpful for falling asleep fast. You might want to check out Micheal Sealey and watch Andrew Huberman for some scientif proven facts about sleep and how to get a good night sleep
I love the method of breathing. Thank u for sharing this with us. Also, u r a strong person. Stronger than u think 🙏❤️
“Observe with care.” - believe in good possibilities without ignorance.
Nice to see u here again brother 😊
Great quote
"I'm so tired of being tired/sure as night follows the day/most things I worry 'bout/never happen anyway" --Tom Petty
As humans, our stress and anxiousness is a result of our instinct to stay alert and aware. But as with every philosophy that exists out there, it's important to learn how to regulate our instincts and not let them destroy us
How do YOU go about this problem?
@@MindNow Good question. I actually envision the worst possible fate through negative visualization and then shrug it off. Since I have a tendency of focusing on the negative, I simply embrace it and when I come to terms with the worst that could possibly happen, I start working on making the best possible outcome happen.
@@FutureMindset do u always envision the negatives??
@@MindNow Yeah I do. I just have more of a tendency to do so
@@FutureMindset hmm...hv u ever tried the opposite and saw how it changes ur life?
"Two elements must therefore be rooted out once for all, - the fear of future suffering, and the recollection of past suffering; since the latter no longer concerns me, and the former concerns me not yet." - Seneca.
Learning life through philosophy is like learning swimming from a book. It does help at a surface level to understand theory, but nothing replaces actual practice, effort and associated successes and failures through trial and error.
Thank you
I would say it is other way. It tels us how to improve our swimming skills,how to breath efficiently, how not to worry to much about drowning.
Armchair quarterbacks telling the rest of us how to live. Opinions are like.... everyone has one
People realized this during the times of the Buddha and likely way before. The only moment that truly exists is right now. The remainder is thoughts and ideas!
Illusions in our minds.
Well said brother 🙏❤️
"True Happiness Is To Enjoy The Present, Without Anxious Dependance Upon The Future."
- Seneca
Even if what you are worrying about will come true, by worrying you are only putting yourself through it twice. Plan mindfully for the future to achieve a desirable outcome, but act and live only in the present
“A Good King never Seeks out War; But a Wise one is Always Prepared.”
-Thor and Hella
Your channel is therapy
Such videos are a gem during covid
"We suffer more in imagination" aaaahhh that is soooooo accurate. That's why i learnt to love cold water.
U ever ask yourself what is the difference between imagination n reality is?
“Even bad fortune is fickle” The famous anecdote about the farmer’s son and his injuries fits this quote perfectly.
Yesss! One of my favorite stories. That is how I came to love Alan Watts and his speeches, that story was the first one I had heard. It calms me down every time.
Your videos calm my anxieties right away
Exactly came on the time when I most needed it ! Thanks for uploading ❤️
I absolutely resonate with the part about trusting our own instincts. I've had to let go of so many people in my life as they were trying to control my decisions and the way I live. So far, the greatest experiences I've had were times that I listened to myself. Of course, I was open to hear others opinions especially people close to me and care for me. However, there is a boundary. And I just cannot live their life for them. Thank you for this! xx
We suffer more in imagination than in reality. Truer words have never been spoken.
Everyday i am suffering because my ex fiancee decided to cheat on me for not earning enough money and not living to her expectation. All she ever does is living in fear of the future enough to betray me and ran off with another guy with more money. And that fear of hers has rub on to me. I spend more times angry at the past and worry about the furure than spending in the present
But yea what for? I am free to live my life fully in the present but i am ashamed to said i need constant reminder from such videos and friends advice to not go back. I am deeply grateful for your content as usual mate. How many people and life have you touched positively by making these videos?
Are you sure Einzelganger you are not an enlighten being?
I guess Marcus Aurelius also wrote meditation for himself. We need constant reminders because we are human beings. You shouldnt feel sad that your fiancee left, if you see a better future ahead you probably might think, it was the best thing she left. We worry because we do not know the future, but we worry more if there is a negative outcome which didnt even happen yet. Dont worry, Be happy.
@@khanfaraz853 thank you friend. Thank you for your reminder too. It is reallly hard to not feel angry. Because I am a busniess owner, weirdly because she is not around second guessing me and making me feel bad about my every decision, busniess had been better and growing. But the void she left is quite painful. I am just in the process of constant self sabotage now because of low self esteem. Knowing the problem isnt making it easy. But Einzelganger video and kind words from strangers like you really means a lot to me friend. Thank you so much.
Bless your soul and may good things come to you. I sincerely hope so. A good mindset to focus on the present is better for us all.
@@lukelim5094
Chances are that she may be narcissist, therefore, you are better without her but it's normal to be angry.
There are channels about narcissism in UA-cam; you'll be surprise how many people suffers due to the abuse inflicted upon them. It's good to know their methods of emotional and psychological manipulation and red flags to see them coming so you can spot them asap.
You will also feel better finding out is not your fault since they know how to use guilt, shame and values to make you feel responsible of their wrongdoings.
It's very valuable knowledge that will help you to heal, feel better and avoid contact with narcissists; there are plenty of them. Good luck.
also important to remember your fault fgor marrying such a loser, you in fact are not innocent of your own selfish lustuous desire, you got what you wanted
I used to have anxieties about the future either, but then I realised, I was just wasting my time. I've been training myself to focus on the present moment. A little bit of Stoic Philosophy does help me in the process, giving some common sense to my senseless brain in the midst of anxiety. You have such beautiful content in your channel, and I hope more people could be inspired by this. Though I must remind myself and anyone reading this, that stoicism not trying to offer absolute solutions to any kind of problems, sometimes we have to care, and sometimes, pain is gain. Using this philosophy to avoid pain is not going to do any good, instead, use this as a guide to learn from pain, learning how to be good at feeling bad.
Very well said. What do u actually do to stay in the present?
Its very easy to stay in NOW, read that Again ! Accept the way things, people and situations are ! Just keep remind yourself of the fact that your future may not come ! We are here for brief period of time and every second is bonus
Im not old or young, im 29 , im unsuccessful as well.. but what i learn in life is that most of the time what we fear is not really that scary when you experience it and when it happens it usually not that bad as you imagined before... Sometimes being grateful is good for the mind.
Your mountaintop analogy was pure genius. Thank you for being you. 😎🎸
Fear will not stop you from duying, but it sure will stop you from living!
Enjoy life. Dont take it too seriously. Be attached but able to let go. Be like water or like a falling cat relaxed and nimble
And never forget death doesnt exist without life. Dark without light. We are all at once. So be in the present and focus
Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.
Something I realised today. I am so good at acting happy. Whenever I see someone I know I immediately act so bubbly and turn on a big smile. It's so automatic. Secretly I'm mostly sad and filled with dread. That's why socialising is so exhausting for me. And maybe the reason I don't have many friends is because people can sense I'm not genuine.
Wonderful truth..
It's almost 2 am and I'm up once again worried about the future!!! Finally youtube gave a good recommendation ✨
YOur videos are getting better and better my brother. Ive been following your channel for a while and the growth in many levels makes me happy. Over a 100 000 views in a week.... Congrats!!!
My Man Cured Depression.😳
Beautiful video. Of course it's easier said than done, but some things aren't designed to be easy; they're designed to get easier.
This is why I don't make so many plans in life, just save money, and live a simple life. With this, maybe it will allow me to adapt to any situation that tomorrow will throw at me and be flexible for options I might choose to change the path I will walk in life. Fewer worries, no stress, free from anxiety, more time for self and family. Thanks for this additional wisdom sir... =)
I was experiencing some uncertainty in life and this video is just what I needed.
Omg! Your videos give me such a perspective over things that I feel enlightened every time I watch them. M so grateful for your perspective and also to share it with us.
True. This channel is really enlightening us.
@@wanderingsoul1189 yess
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This channel changed and saved my life. I’ll never forget that 🙏
I must thank you for this video it really had me thinking about the situation I had and now I don’t have nothing to worry about until it gets here
Every video of you comes at a perfect time👍🙏🥰
The problem is that most people fear what hurt them most, i.e., "I don't ever want that to happen to me again." But its not a conscious thing and most people absolutely don't want to talk about the thing that hurt them most in their life. So its not so simple as choosing to live in the present
Agree, there's no true method or universal fix. As someone said "one persons food, is another persons poison". Be generous and patient with yourself. Talk, don't talk, be weak or strong fearful or corageous. I want to be more honest as you
Thank you for sharing this amazing content that makes us think about our thinking. Love from India ❤️
Love it. I love the beauty of awareness when you really start to internalize these things
Thank you einzelganger, you’ve truly impacted my life and the way I feel about it.
Your last two uploads came at the right timing for whatever I’m going through. Thank you for the reminder and the realisation again 💙
Whatever ur going through. U can do it 🙏❤️
It seems so simple to stop worrying, especially if the worry is in our minds and the object of it is imaginary...Maybe the fact that it's so obviously simple makes it so difficult.
There a lot of simple things, but are attained not so easily, but that’s the beauty of it. Nothing on this planet is easy, it’s the challenge that keeps it interesting 😊
Thank you, I really need this now.
❤️ “High sentiments always win in the end. The leaders who offer blood, toil, tears and sweat always get more out of their followers than those who offer safety and a good time. When it comes to the pinch, human beings are heroic.” ❤️
Thanks for the timestamps on progress bar. It shows organization and respect for the viewer's time.
Keep up the great work man
Tbf I’ve mostly just enjoyed my life ,I’m so lucky to have my health I enjoy simple things ,lakes rain ,reading ,music ,drinking ,chilling ,eating football ,sports ,being 53 and able to swim 2 miles and then go to work to wash dishes for 8 hrs and not feel exhausted,
I'm out of words I can just say that this was beautiful
I really needed this today! Thank you!🙏🏻
This message couldn't have come at a more appropriate time. Thank you!!
My parents used to have a little poster on their wall when I was growing up:
“There are only two things to worry about-
Either you are well or you are sick.
If you are well, there is nothing to worry about,
But if you are sick, there are only two things to worry about-
Either you will get well or you will die.
If you get well, there is nothing to worry about,
But if you die, there are only two things to worry about-
Either you will go to heaven or hell.
If you go to heaven, there is nothing to worry about.
And if you go to hell, you’ll be so damn busy shaking hands with friends,
you won’t have time to worry!”
It was such a lightbulb moment to realise that almost every single one of my insecurities and worries comes from illusions, fantasies about the future that I have made up in my head. I tell myself that there is evidence for these illusions, but when I really analyse it, there is really no evidence for it at all. In pretty much every case, there is actually overwhelming evidence for the opposite - I am good, I am enough, I am loved. Things will probably be ok.
Unfortunately, realising something and really feeling it, are two separate things XD
Exactly my experience. But it takes a lot of discipline to tame the mind. It tends to produce fantasies on the assembly line, so if we're unaware we're so easily dragged along.
@ Yes. I really liked the last point you made in the video - even if something bad IS going to happen, what's the point of worrying now and suffering twice? And if it doesn't happen, you suffered once, needlessly
BOOM!! I love what u said at the end. There is a difference between knowing about STH and actually EXPERIENCING it!! Yes! How did u come to this realization?
Yep. That's why I follow one of Alan Watts's advice, "don't take life too seriously".
This channel is such a gift. You taught me alot and made learning very comfortable and interesting
Thanks!💯
I believe we worry because there is still a root problem to solve or analyze within our thoughts. I've spent a lot of time in worry and with anxiety over the last few years and I've realized its okay to "worry" because we worry when there is still something yet to complete, and deep in our mind we sense the problem overwhelmingly but its still in a haze. Open that conversation with yourself find solutions where you can, spend time overlooking all possibilities to find where the worry stems from, then return to the present moment. Allow yourself to worry in meditation or focused thought then find a way back to the present. I have realized that worry and anxiety may be misunderstood and are sort of a human superpower that helps pave the way to a better future. We must pay attention to those warnings and filter out the fear to see the solution. We worry when we're not ready, prepare yourself to be ready and the worry will fade and the present will become clearer. In that sense i can agree and disagree with this outlook of worry.
This is the video I was looking for today. Thank you.
Very nice video, and great reminder for the min. Ps: it was interesting to see some footage of Rovaniemi city on Arctic Circle in your video as I live here, I wasn't expecting!
These are the best comments I’ve read in awhile.. every quote you guys placed , hit me at the right time ❤️
Future isn't real. That's true. But it's also true that I broke mom's vase by playing soccer indoors, and she will be mad at me when she comes home...
No one can help you my boy in this case. Even Seneca ran from home after breaking the pot accidentally.
Seneca would say @ Be cynical “ 🤨 😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe she'll be in a great mood because she won the lotto. Negative thinking is a very bad deeply ingrained habit. Signed, Mr. Negativity.
If she makes it home, that's just how uncertain the future is.
All you can do is accept the ass whooping my boy. You've sealed your fate 😂
Seneca: "*why you are so obsessed with me?"*
This was well put together and very well timed, I needed to listen to it I'm going to listen to it again now. Thank you!
Another wonderful and inspiring video. This channel and its empowering content has helped me change my life around. Thanks, Einzelgänger! Keep making a difference!
I’m glad that it’s helping u 🙏❤️
Thank you , that was very up lifting.
Thank you.
Love to hear your voice again! Your oldest fan from Pakistan here ☺️
You are free to obsess and worry. You are also free to not do so. It might be one of the few things we are actually free to do or not do, at least among the things that matter.
U r free to do anything. At the end of the day u need to know if it’s worth it or not 😊
Thank you!
Best video you have ever made. Bravo
Hey man thank you so much for this video. It really helped me to dispel an age old fear of mine of worrying about the future. I tend to obsess over it but in reality nothing bad every really happens, our minds habit of catastrophizing any event is what causes the suffering but in reality things are not at all that bad. In fact they are quite good! Stay in the moment, enjoy it's fruits. don't worry about the future.
Sometimes I just need a hug and be told that everything will be ok.
A few months ago there was this thing I was very worried about. It hadnt happened yet but something inside of me was still worried about it ever happening. Well, fast forward a couple of months and that thing did ended up happening. Human intuition is stronger than most people realize. I know my experience is mine alone but yeah, this event just helped me getting more anxious about the future... trust your gut people
Clear, applicable, wise. Outstanding.
I love close Seneca's words are to what the Buddha said.
Meditation is the answer, regardless of the question.
Disagree. Love is the answer to every question 😉❤️
@@isabellarosehypnose when a person alone and poor who will love him
It is the fear of the unknown and uncertainty like that causes anxiety in some.
You can affirm you belief about the facts to calm yourself. ❤️
Very great video.
Thank you... ♥️🍀
That is pure gold ! Thanks !
It’s always sobering to listen to your videos, thank you ^-^
Great video, thank you!
times are tough always has been but im grateful for the knowledge i have gained from your videos
Thank you ^^
This helps a lot, thanks.
Thank you , i always have so much worry just by thoughts in life , with no one to share to , and its kills me ,hope i am able to enjoy untill it really arrives , until then also be open minded
Thank you for this
Prepare for the future , that's it.
Thank you.
Thank you. I really needed this
Thank you this has help me to understand why i'm the way I am in over thinking things.
I understand the message in this video and that there is no point in worrying endlessly about the future. The present and what you do in the present are all that matters. However, we should never neglect or not speculate about the future. If we do, we miss out on BIG opportunities.
To stay proactive and to make decisions today that will ensure a better future is the way to go. For example, so many jobs have and still are becoming victims of digitalization and automation. Thus, if you're a smart and future-oriented individual, you will rather go for a job like a System developer that is and will be high in demand rather than working as a Shop worker or an Accountant that will simply disappear.
You see, as long as you plan and are constantly prepared for the future, you have really nothing to worry about. But if you just stay mindlessly in the present without any sense of direction, you are bound to fail eventually and then you'll really start worrying. Nobody knows the future for sure, but there are always trends in society that gives us a good indicator of how things are going to be, like the green shift we are now seeing.
I think you misunderstand the concept. Being in the present does NOT mean that u shouldn’t plan for the future. Even when u plan for the future, you are doing that in the NOW, therefore u r in the present. But ruminating on the future that causes suffering, that is the point.
Great and so helpful. Thank you a lot!
You make the world a better place 💓 thanks for putting up the amazing content.
Keep calm and live on
Thank you so much! It helps me a lot.. coz lately I’ve been experiencing anxiety..