I actually kind of feel bad for Sephiroth. He has no idea just how screwed he is. Not only do the brothers possibly stomp in stats and experience, but they can tank or counter anything he could throw at them.
@@breadboix2158and none of Sephiroth's attack can kill his opponent or else they can only target one party member. Except Deen but they'll probably kill him before enough turns for him to use that.
It's all about the speed. The little things, like the bros calling out to each other, the extra time given between inputs, and their celebrations at the end kill the speed and snappiness of the later attacks, especially some of the advanced ones. The Advanced attacks having their own button is helpful, and the increased space between inputs is a lot better for first time players. Still absolutely solid.
I didn't notice that, even though I played Superstar Saga a ton. What bugs me more are the music and sound effects. In the 3DS version it sounds muffled and with no energy, I think.
@@ecl1pse-idky731 Isn't that because chiptune is very different from actual recordings of real instruments? Maybe composers want games to sound like that, but I far prefer the original.
@@artey6671 well yeah they also chose to have more mute sound effects for the remake. Im just saying that pretty much every sound on the GBA has to be compressed so of course they’re sharp and crunchy. Even instruments that are meant to be dark in tone. Try comparing some songs between Super Mario All-Stars and Super Mario Advance, you can tell the difference.
@@ecl1pse-idky731 I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. There are games on the GBA that sound overly compressed like Zero Mission, but Superstar Saga doesn't, I think. It probably is possible to make the soundtrack more crunchy / crisp / snappy / sharp / catchy / whatever you want to call it, but I think that's not what they were going for.
These are still the best bros attacks in the series. I miss when it was solely the bros using their own abilities to output damage together in unique ways instead of using various external items
@@Jhair007La verdad es que el original es superior al remake primero porque mantiene la esencia Y el remake por alguna razón no se le siente 1000 veces parejo sé que es un remake pero debería ser mejor no
I love how Splash Bros is not only a mistranslation, but is the same exact mistranslation that made Magikarp's Splash attack : it's supposed to mean jump, as shown by the fact that non-water types learn the move like Hoppip and Wynaut
@@genuineangusbeef8697 Wait a minute... I knew about the mistranslation in both games, but the attack in Japanese is called Jump Bros. Deluxe? Come on, Nintendo!
Personally I like the GBA versions more, cause their actions are pretty quick making it satisfying. Can't say the same for Chopper Bros. and Thunder Bros. tho those were cool as hell
@@Theitthisif the Bowser's Inside Story remake sold well, they almost certainly would have moved on to start developing games for the Switch. But you saw how that turned out.
I have to say, the remake’s attacks are much more polished. Only thing I have to ask is... how are they NOT dizzy from all that spinning around and hitting each other in the head with sludge hammers?
But theres now heart blocks in some areas that give you free HP and BP refills... you can just do it next to them and get infinite free coins if you so wish (although fighting enemies is faster ofc).
[@The M&L Retro fan] That's completely false. The original Superstar Saga's number of times it took to unlock the Advanced Command varied, it depending on which Bros. Attack you're trying to unlock it with-but even then, the lowest number in the original (8 times) isn't as low as the remake's, which is always only 6 times for each attack.
Kind of mixed between the versions. I love the speed and sound design of the original, but I also like the flasher and more impactful hits of the remake.
I come back to this video every now and then, and I think my only gripe with the remake version is how they made the advanced versions of the moves cost more BP in the remake. I liked the original game's method of increasing the cost to make it easier to land, and how the advanced methods were something that you had to figure the timing out. It does make sense to separate them for ease of access but I liked how you could use the advanced moves with no extra cost in the original
djh491 Nope. Same goes for Adv. Chopper Bros. On the flip side though, I heard that you only need to execute a Bros. Attack 4 or 6 times successfully to learn the Advanced command, so you’ll at least get them sooner than later, especially for ones that take a while to get in the first place like the Knockback and Chopper Bros (though based on this channel’s boss montage, that appears to be false). Also a nice little detail is that Luigi gets his “light bulb” moment for when he learns all of his advanced moves rather than just for Cyclone Bros.
Rexaura888 I'll miss being able to do that, but I do like the new versions too. Those moves were way too easy to abuse and I didn't really find myself using the other advanced moves as much, so I appreciate the remake trying to be more balanced.
I think that was done for balancing purposes. Plus you feel stronger than normal anyways. And yes I think having the BiS and on double jump attack partially contributes to that making you feel like you kill faster. I hope it has a hard mode. I haven't looked up if it does but I hope it does. Like dream team did.
i love what they did for the elemental bros moves because those felt kinda unsatisfying in the original? but i feel like the sound design on the original, except maybe for cyclone bros, was a lot more satisfying.
you know i gotta say that despite my bias over the first ones I'm really impressed that they made the attacks in this not only look fresh but feel newly satisfying in ways the other game. didn't
2:49 Oh, you were so close to the special fireball that burns the struck foe! On a serious note, however, some of the enemies are much easier to deal with in the 3DS version than they are in the GBA version. Also, for anyone who hasn't figured it out yet, either Mario or Luigi will flash ! in the GBA version of the game if you haven't done the Advanced version of the attack. If you have, they will flash the normal color, like you should press that button. Also, the Cyclone Bros. can target multiple foes if you hit the D-pad in the right direction.
Haven't seen the updated attacks but I will say that Fire Bros both regular and advanced is a massive improvement on the original both visually and usage and I'm very happy on the visual upgrade on the Thunder Bros moves they somehow made the advance version a lot more visceral.
though i never used the advanced version of the bros attacks much in the original, im pretty upset that they now have their own bros attack option. it was fun to discover the advanced moves while using the normal bros attacks. also, rip infinite chopper and knockback bros
The thing is, in the origional, an "Advance!" shows up, and you have no idea what it means. And unless you go back to Level 1 of the attack, you'll never even know you what the whole "Adv." means. And why would you go back to level 1 when you're good at doing the attack in level 3?
I mean this is good I mean its kinda unfair that people dont figure out the action commands cause they didnt go back to level 1 also this balanced the game making advanced cost more
i hope in future mario and luigi games we can have some of these skill attacks (like when you only get it from learning a skill outside of battle) and mix that with some of the item based ones we see in the other games like the Shell and Fire Flower, or maybe something like, in PiT and BiS the bros shared their attacks but then in other games they werent, maybe there could be some shared attacks that both could do like the Yoo-Hoo cannon from BiS or the Cannonballer's from PiT, and mix it with bro excusive moves like the Slingsniper and the Rocket Blast
I agree. The newer item-based attacks are awesome, but they take pretty long and its boring when they are spammed in later battles. Mixing in Bros. attacks as stronger, but still fast moves would be a nice compromise.
I've never played this version of the game but I feel like these 'updated' moves don't capture the feel of the originals, ya know? Maybe it's just me but in the original they felt quick and snappy, it always felt super satisfying to pull one off perfectly. In this, they're really floaty and take longer. That's just my opinion and again, I've never played this version so I can't say for sure. EDIT: Thank you all so much for the likes and comments, it's the most I've ever gotten!
I love how they brought the bros. attacks back, but I don't really like how they handled the advanced moves. I kinda liked having them be the same attack option, but depending on what inputs you give you get a different attack, but now they're just seperate attacks altogether...
Seeing the new animations, I can’t imagine how anyone could say they’re less expressive than the old ones. Do you see how the brothers cheer each other on in the middle of their attacks? Adorable!
I just beat Mario & Luigi GBA via the Switch yesterday and jeez I couldn't figure out 30% of those advanced ones, it's interesting to see what you had to do and how the remake handles - I didn't know going back to level 1 showed you the advanced inputs as some of the comments say 💭
I agree with you partially. The secret (?) Bros moves are definitely more powerful in the 3DS version of the game. Super Thunder Bros having pink-purple lightning is pretty cool, though, and Luigi even knows he's awesome when he does this move. However, I miss how Fire Bros isn't a very powerful single target nuke attack when it's Advanced (Super) in this game.
Cant say I agree. I felt that the upgraded versions added a lot more umpf to the attacks. For example the Cyclone attack hammer finisher in the original felt like a puny toy hammer hit compared to the updated one.
I think the remake did a fantastic job recreating everything in the original. Looking forward to the BIS remake and the MLPT whenever they decide to do that one. Hopefully soon since the game is already rare as hell. Making it the only one not updated would be a mistake
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoonthat's not why. They went under because they remade their games on a dying console. Not to mention that one of those games was already playable on the console it was being remade for.
I like (most of) the superstar saga bros attacks better because they were more quick which I think made them fit more with the chaotic tone, and also they were harder to pull off in the game boy advance version which made them much more satisfying when you actually get them down and pull them off. edit: also some bros attacks is superstar saga were infinite, which they seem to have removed in the 3ds version in favor of excellents which I don't really like that much, I liked having infinite bros attacks, but I will admit the excellents are satisfying to pull off
To be honest. I don't mind that they slightly changed the moves. I don't mind that they made them their own attack options either. Still gotta use the original attack enough to unlock the advanced version anyways.
While the original attacks did seem to have a bit more impact at times, I do like the remake's attacks better, as they're easier to pull off, aren't as cheap like the infinite knockback bros in the original, and look flashier.
I disagree, they seem to take the same amount of time to perform, if not only by a second or two more just to be more cinematic; in fact, Fire Bros. is performed faster in the remake than in the original.
I prefer the 3DS version; the fact they're not as quick means it should be easier to pull off the moves - something I had issues with in SS GBA. I also like how the animations of some have been changed; my favourite would have to be the last one shown - "GO WEEGEE!"
You fight Hermie III before you fight Popple when he teams up with Birdo. So put simply, the attack power is lower because the footage is showing an earlier part of the game.
I kinda don't like how they got rid of the option to choose between an advanced move and a normal move with a different input during the attack, but I can see why they did it.
First and foremost, I love this game. GBA was so much nostalgia and it got me doing challenge runs because how many times I have played and how much I love the game. I played through the remake and even though its solid, the GBA still takes it for me. That being said, its good see certain bros attacks like the element attacks and luigis cyclone bros move getting damage buffs in the remake since those moves could be somewhat underwhelming in the original. Still, I miss how the GBA has certain “infinite” bros moves like knockback bros so long as your timing is good. I swear the funniest memories were fights were i beat the enemy from full health because I kept going until they got KOd 😅
Looks neat, but I feel like they removed some of the skill factor in the remake. Some attacks became less needy of input, and the timing is much more lenient now. Probably the most disappointing thing IMO is how they handled Advanced moves. In the original, you had to discover when you could execute Advanced moves within the normal Bros. Attack. Here, the moves now dubbed Super Bros. Attacks are as streamlined as a normal Bros. Attack which IMO takes away the satisfaction of learning the move yourself.
BizerkPixel agreed, also, i hate how the advance knockback and chopper bros aren’t infinite anymore, they weren’t even that overpowered because you needed to learn how to time it. This game ruined those attacks and made them way worse
LiamPlqys Oh Come On, I Have Played Through The Entire Original Game, The Only Thing I Used Was Advanced Knock back Bros Since I Could Do It Perfectly So It Was Endless, Only Thing I Did, Ever, And It Made The Game Too Easy Imo, But That's Your Opinion, And I Won't Judge You.
Thunder Master I know this comment is a month old, but can you fix how nearly *every* word you used is in capitals? It's a huge pain to read and respond to. It feels like one big run-on sentence because it's exactly that.
Is it hard to type like that, dude? Do you hit Shift for every word, or do you go back and do it through Auto Correct. This isn't how you type words, dude. You only capitalize the first word, names, and places.
I also really hated how they made them separate AND make them require more BP. It was nice to me to have to go back to speed 1 to figure out the advanced version... (and to this day I STILL don’t know how to properly perform the advanced thunder bros...)
Here is my view on the remake. People who grew up with the original feel more obligated to say that the original is very humorous and captures that sense of humor differently compared to how they do now. People who will play this new version first, and play the original later will most likely prefer the new version due to it being more familiar with them. I can't explain it well, as it is hard, but having comparisons I feel is the improper way to view the game.
+Hubismal Nah. The remake doesn’t lack expression. In reality, is just as expressive as the original with only a few exceptions. Those exceptions being Toad’s freak-out expression in the intro, Bowser’s facial expression after getting shout out of a cannon, and Luigi’s face after getting punched in the balls. Also, the vividness in the remake is still there but toned down to give us beatitful shadows and backdrops.
Ehh I think it’s more down to preference then one actually being better given how well pixel art has aged I played a lot of dream team so I am very bias when it comes to the way the new games look but I like both just don’t think the old pixel art really fits the series as well
@@crazycanyon3028 honestly fair, it’s been 6 years and now I agree the remake pixel art is very good, but I still really like the solid outlines and simple expressiveness of the original, but then again I just played the original bowsers inside story as a kid so it’s probably mostly nostalgia lmao. Either way hyped for brothership that game looks awesome
I have to say the only thing I like about the remake bros attacks are that some of their animations are better than in the original and the excellent animation is good. But unlike the original it's very slow so loosing some of that momentum you have.. well that happens a lot. Personally I think the speed of how the bros attacks happen, even the battle system of the original always keeps the player on their toes alot more than in this remake. That speed decrease also makes it seem like they made them to be easier to perform now which I mean is fine, the normal bros attacks should be easy as it is a kids game. But this stretches into the advanced ones, or super which in the original were stronger harder to perform versions that rewarded you for being able to pull them off. That does also bring me into the separate attacks for normal and super bros attacks. Im not knowledgable of how the advanced versions happen in the remake, but I do prefer the old style where the bros would come up with it in their own and the advanced versions of bros attacks were a thing you could do if you wanted to but were not separate from what the normal attack is. Like what the advanced attack is, coming up on the fly with a better way to do more. That concept gives that feeling that they are a team and bros and support each other in battle and everywhere else a lot more. It also made the menu less clunky without the super versions taking up space as well. But again as a kids game it does make it easier. All in all I feel the games trying to be made more like Dream Team for one and two, more kid friendly which is all nice and well. Dream Team was good despite not being the best of the M&L games. But I can say without a doubt for me, a lot of the old Charm and love based on the art, style and gameplay has been lost.
I personally like the remake more. In a sense where the animation, sfx, visuals, and all that, including the little brother callouts, ending animation, and Ok! Good! Great! Excellent! Having more of an upgrade, all in all was amazing, but I will admit, the original is wayyyyyy too iconic, and the pacing was definitely better
Dark Fawful The dream team art style is actually really good and clean looking. I’m pretty sure he means that the new animations didn’t look as “goofy” as attacks. But now look like ACTUAL attacks. Chopper bros literally looks so fkin deadly In the remake compared to the original.
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Getting an excellent in any Mario and Luigi game just feels so satisfying even when you're at the stage where you _only_ get excellents.
lol true, so true
So true
@Cameron Lucian You're right, I don't give a damn
@Lennon Jad I know you're his alt account lmao. Dumbass
So true, it feels so satisfying
I actually kind of feel bad for Sephiroth. He has no idea just how screwed he is. Not only do the brothers possibly stomp in stats and experience, but they can tank or counter anything he could throw at them.
How would he survive getting crushed by Luigi’s snack basket boosted galaxy crushing ass? He had no chance to begin with
Frfr
They also got 1ups, so he has to make sure he beats them both with the same amount of hp, plus they have healing items as well
Sephiroth is not built for this. Whoever suggested this on Twitter wanted him to suffer.
What does he do when the Chopper bros goes infinite?
@@breadboix2158and none of Sephiroth's attack can kill his opponent or else they can only target one party member. Except Deen but they'll probably kill him before enough turns for him to use that.
4:22 That sync of the landing with the music tho
That was just pure Beauty at this point 😌
ALSO HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE SERIES
It's all about the speed. The little things, like the bros calling out to each other, the extra time given between inputs, and their celebrations at the end kill the speed and snappiness of the later attacks, especially some of the advanced ones.
The Advanced attacks having their own button is helpful, and the increased space between inputs is a lot better for first time players. Still absolutely solid.
I didn't notice that, even though I played Superstar Saga a ton. What bugs me more are the music and sound effects. In the 3DS version it sounds muffled and with no energy, I think.
@@artey6671 okay to be fair, that’s because the instruments and sounds aren’t as compressed as they were on GBA (technical limitations and whatnot)
@@ecl1pse-idky731 Isn't that because chiptune is very different from actual recordings of real instruments? Maybe composers want games to sound like that, but I far prefer the original.
@@artey6671 well yeah they also chose to have more mute sound effects for the remake. Im just saying that pretty much every sound on the GBA has to be compressed so of course they’re sharp and crunchy. Even instruments that are meant to be dark in tone. Try comparing some songs between Super Mario All-Stars and Super Mario Advance, you can tell the difference.
@@ecl1pse-idky731 I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. There are games on the GBA that sound overly compressed like Zero Mission, but Superstar Saga doesn't, I think. It probably is possible to make the soundtrack more crunchy / crisp / snappy / sharp / catchy / whatever you want to call it, but I think that's not what they were going for.
The "go weegee" at the end of the advanced thunder bros in the remake was a top tier addition lol
Mario: Hmm...
Luigi: ?
Mario: Advance! Italian gibberish
Luigi: !
Mario thumbs up
you forgot the "oh yeah!"
Literally how the came up with all their attacks and advance attacks
When Luigi does cyclone bros he thinks of the advance.
3DS: all of that, except 'Advance!' because Advance moves are now Super versions.
Hey look, a potato!
Jacksepticeye:DID SOMEBODY SAY POTATO? -hurried breaths paired with footsteps-
These are still the best bros attacks in the series. I miss when it was solely the bros using their own abilities to output damage together in unique ways instead of using various external items
Yeah, I also love when each bro has their own special attacks. I was kind of bummed that Partners in Time and Bowser's Inside Story didn't do that.
@@squid_cake in all honesty they had the perfect chance to do it in bower inside story
@@phinixfox2564 and partners in time
Nuh uh
I prefer external items than this shi
Damn Chopper Bros is looking deadly as hell in the remake.
Marche800 its really disappointing how much they nerfed chopper bros and kb bros
And fire bros
CoolSkeleton 95 I meant visually.
CoolSkeleton 95 hey they buffed cyclone bros tho which is good
Its easy
I oddly like the GBA version more, in terms of sfx and how the abilities look.
La verdad, a mí me gustan ambos, creo que te gusta más el del GBA porque se escucha más clásico.
The sound overall of superstar saga is iconic. The 3DS version SFX don’t have the same bite to them.
@@Jhair007La verdad es que el original es superior al remake primero porque mantiene la esencia Y el remake por alguna razón no se le siente 1000 veces parejo sé que es un remake pero debería ser mejor no
I disagree the sound effect for getting an excellent is just so much more satisfying in the 3ds version in my opinion
It looks waaaaaaaaaaaay better It has more style hundred percent , I just looked at the new game coming out and it has nothing on the GBA version.
スプラッシュブロス - Splash Bros. : 0:00 / 0:06
スプラッシュブロスDX - Super Splash Bros. : 0:16 / 0:23
チョッパーブロス - Chopper Bros. : 0:34 / 0:41
チョッパーブロスDX - Super Chopper Bros. : 0:56 / 1:04
スイングブロス - Swing Bros. : 1:23 / 1:28
スイングブロスDX - Super Swing Bros. : 1:40 / 1:51
ファイアブロス - Fire Bros. : 2:09 / 2:24
ファイアブロスDX - Super Fire Bros. : 2:37 / 2:55
バウンドブロス - Bounce Bros. : 3:11 / 3:16
バウンドブロスDX - Super Bounce Bros. : 3:25 / 3:30
ノックバックブロス - Knockback Bros. : 3:40 / 3:46
ノックバックブロスDX - Super Knockback Bros. : 3:55 / 4:08
タイフーンブロス - Cyclone Bros. : 4:25 / 4:35
タイフーンブロスDX - Super Cyclone Bros. : 4:25 / 4:54
サンダーブロス - Thunder Bros. : 5:13 / 5:22
サンダーブロスDX - Super Thunder Bros. : 5:32 / 5:41
I love how Splash Bros is not only a mistranslation, but is the same exact mistranslation that made Magikarp's Splash attack : it's supposed to mean jump, as shown by the fact that non-water types learn the move like Hoppip and Wynaut
@@genuineangusbeef8697 Wait a minute... I knew about the mistranslation in both games, but the attack in Japanese is called Jump Bros. Deluxe? Come on, Nintendo!
Personally I like the GBA versions more, cause their actions are pretty quick making it satisfying. Can't say the same for Chopper Bros. and Thunder Bros. tho those were cool as hell
And Fire Bros. Drags out for too long in the GBA version.
Theres also funny moments like how the hammer bro attack ended with luigi dropping the hammer and mario just winged it and landed normally
Advanced swing bros goes hard to ngl
yeah to the remake look to weird and im play it now i just want to see about the duo brother if is only trow him or he have something else
@@slimballs9650 also it's really hard to spam A for the charging in that version.
RIP AlphaDream, the company that made the Mario & Luigi series..
Always have the first as my favorite it was the best one.
man i wish they made more like a new one or a port for the switch
@@Theitthisif the Bowser's Inside Story remake sold well, they almost certainly would have moved on to start developing games for the Switch. But you saw how that turned out.
@@Theitthisbro predicted it
@@BANDANADEE2 yeah 🥲
the thumbnail tho
it looks like Mario is punching luigis balls XD
Lima T ikr XD
xD
If i recall, it was actually posible to punch his balls.
You could in the original if you use Mini Mario, then High Jump, then have Mario jump when Luigi is above you.
And funnily enough, you still can in the remake
I have to say, the remake’s attacks are much more polished.
Only thing I have to ask is... how are they NOT dizzy from all that spinning around and hitting each other in the head with sludge hammers?
It’s just video game logic.
They must have chronic migraines
@@thechocolatearmor5797 No way I found you here too man-
It's totally video game logic, or maybe just Mario Bros logic XD
Same reason why sonic doesn’t get dizzy in sonic spinball
Eh. The og ones were a lot punchier.
But can you still hit luigi on the balls for coins?
Dr. Waa these are the important questions people.
Dr. Waa From what I heard, yes.
Yes you can still getting free coins
Update: I have the game and yes, you still can get coins. However they changed it so that Luigi loses 4 hp for every coin instead of 1 hp.
But theres now heart blocks in some areas that give you free HP and BP refills... you can just do it next to them and get infinite free coins if you so wish (although fighting enemies is faster ofc).
I love how they scream, "Letsa go" before a bros attack in 3ds ver
I like how the upgraded Bros. Attacks are separate attacks in the 3DS version.
it's kind of nice, but it's lame how quickly you unlock them comared to the gba version.
wariolandgoldpiramid yeah
Also the OP ones (Advance Knockback Bros. and normal Chopper Bros. were nerfed.)
[@The M&L Retro fan]
That's completely false.
The original Superstar Saga's number of times it took to unlock the Advanced Command varied, it depending on which Bros. Attack you're trying to unlock it with-but even then, the lowest number in the original (8 times) isn't as low as the remake's, which is always only 6 times for each attack.
@nicholascooney-SGB lol
Kind of mixed between the versions. I love the speed and sound design of the original, but I also like the flasher and more impactful hits of the remake.
I feel like the remake's special effects (glows, explosions, lightning, etc) look kind of generic compared to the hand-drawn sprites of the original.
Really loving how awesome the attacks look in the remake, especially Fire & Thunder Bros.!
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I come back to this video every now and then, and I think my only gripe with the remake version is how they made the advanced versions of the moves cost more BP in the remake. I liked the original game's method of increasing the cost to make it easier to land, and how the advanced methods were something that you had to figure the timing out. It does make sense to separate them for ease of access but I liked how you could use the advanced moves with no extra cost in the original
4:22 Mario’s landing was perfectly timed with the music XD
4:20 that sync tho
1:08 that sync
So is it not possible to continue the Advanced Knockback Bros endlessly in the remake? I remember that could OHKO bosses.
djh491 Nope. Same goes for Adv. Chopper Bros. On the flip side though, I heard that you only need to execute a Bros. Attack 4 or 6 times successfully to learn the Advanced command, so you’ll at least get them sooner than later, especially for ones that take a while to get in the first place like the Knockback and Chopper Bros (though based on this channel’s boss montage, that appears to be false). Also a nice little detail is that Luigi gets his “light bulb” moment for when he learns all of his advanced moves rather than just for Cyclone Bros.
Rexaura888 I'll miss being able to do that, but I do like the new versions too. Those moves were way too easy to abuse and I didn't really find myself using the other advanced moves as much, so I appreciate the remake trying to be more balanced.
note: 'trying'
I think that was done for balancing purposes. Plus you feel stronger than normal anyways. And yes I think having the BiS and on double jump attack partially contributes to that making you feel like you kill faster. I hope it has a hard mode. I haven't looked up if it does but I hope it does. Like dream team did.
Wait. How did you make it go endlessly? I never knew you could do that.
Unpopular opinion: The dynamic combat in Mario & Luigi better than the more traditional combat in Paper Mario, feels just great
Mario and Luigi handle action commands so much better than the paper mario games
1:09 The OK on the super chopper bros. was timed perfectly
With the music.
Also 4:23
i love what they did for the elemental bros moves because those felt kinda unsatisfying in the original?
but i feel like the sound design on the original, except maybe for cyclone bros, was a lot more satisfying.
M. GREENFIELD I agree wholeheartedly about the elemental attacks they have way more punch this time around.
I prefer the sound effects when you successfully hit a command. On the 3DS they sound a lot like a Casino machine…
M. GREENFIELD I kinda miss advanced fire bros though I did find that one fun
Yup, the explosive strength gives power to the moves.
you know i gotta say that despite my bias over the first ones I'm really impressed that they made the attacks in this not only look fresh but feel newly
satisfying in ways the other game. didn't
2:49 Oh, you were so close to the special fireball that burns the struck foe!
On a serious note, however, some of the enemies are much easier to deal with in the 3DS version than they are in the GBA version. Also, for anyone who hasn't figured it out yet, either Mario or Luigi will flash ! in the GBA version of the game if you haven't done the Advanced version of the attack. If you have, they will flash the normal color, like you should press that button. Also, the Cyclone Bros. can target multiple foes if you hit the D-pad in the right direction.
Haven't seen the updated attacks but I will say that Fire Bros both regular and advanced is a massive improvement on the original both visually and usage and I'm very happy on the visual upgrade on the Thunder Bros moves they somehow made the advance version a lot more visceral.
I love how all of these are just Mario and Luigi using each other as weapons
First game syndrome but actually great.
5:44 GO WEEGEE! XDDD
Dont do he say luigi?
*obliterates enemy in next quarter of s second*
Nah cause how tf is Sephiroth going to deal with this shit
I honestly like how the older "Super moves" are basically a spur of a moment choice of one brother rather than a concious co-ordination of both .
Dear lord, the remake is utterly perfect in this regard. All of the attacks are unapologetically brutal and just look so much cleaner. I love it!
though i never used the advanced version of the bros attacks much in the original, im pretty upset that they now have their own bros attack option. it was fun to discover the advanced moves while using the normal bros attacks. also, rip infinite chopper and knockback bros
Daniel The Birb well I mean it's the EXACT same in the original wait till u see to comment
The thing is, in the origional, an "Advance!" shows up, and you have no idea what it means.
And unless you go back to Level 1 of the attack, you'll never even know you what the whole "Adv." means.
And why would you go back to level 1 when you're good at doing the attack in level 3?
wariolandgoldpiramid cause u could have less BP and be out of Syrup
but level 3 cost less BP.
I mean this is good I mean its kinda unfair that people dont figure out the action commands cause they didnt go back to level 1 also this balanced the game making advanced cost more
i hope in future mario and luigi games we can have some of these skill attacks (like when you only get it from learning a skill outside of battle) and mix that with some of the item based ones we see in the other games like the Shell and Fire Flower, or maybe something like, in PiT and BiS the bros shared their attacks but then in other games they werent, maybe there could be some shared attacks that both could do like the Yoo-Hoo cannon from BiS or the Cannonballer's from PiT, and mix it with bro excusive moves like the Slingsniper and the Rocket Blast
I agree. The newer item-based attacks are awesome, but they take pretty long and its boring when they are spammed in later battles. Mixing in Bros. attacks as stronger, but still fast moves would be a nice compromise.
Cpl. Dilivery Hoovy that's actually a cool idea. I like that.
Maybe they should make a bunch of bros attacks and let u choose the ones u want
Yeah... about that...
@AleNoConstancy falling star + chopper bros
Sephiroth when he thinks the attack is finally over, but then sees "Advance!": 💀🔫
I've never played this version of the game but I feel like these 'updated' moves don't capture the feel of the originals, ya know? Maybe it's just me but in the original they felt quick and snappy, it always felt super satisfying to pull one off perfectly. In this, they're really floaty and take longer. That's just my opinion and again, I've never played this version so I can't say for sure.
EDIT: Thank you all so much for the likes and comments, it's the most I've ever gotten!
Robotnik Mania I agree with you man
Robotnik Mania i also agree
chefinabottle 15 only looks how badass luigi looks on Thunder bros and how looks in 3ds version...
The newer ones look so slow and just like, meh
I agree it took skill to do the ones in da original, now it looks like Nintendo is babying us (my opinion)
Luigi to Mario: “Nothing can hurt us, as long as we’re together.”
Wait, what just happened to Fire Bros.?
I don’t think so I think they tried a more modern take
It's more in-line with the Mix Flowers and Falling Star from Partners in Time and Bowser's Inside Story respectively.
Falling Star only targeted one enemy
Kirby DX Yes, I know. It's still closer to it than the original version.
I think the fire bros on the newer version is alot cooler and faster
No way this game is already 6yrs old time really flies man!
5:48 HE SAID IT, HE SAID IT!
I love how they brought the bros. attacks back, but I don't really like how they handled the advanced moves.
I kinda liked having them be the same attack option, but depending on what inputs you give you get a different attack, but now they're just seperate attacks altogether...
Not only that, they're seperate attacks with seperate cost
Sephiroth doesn't stand a chance
Seeing the new animations, I can’t imagine how anyone could say they’re less expressive than the old ones. Do you see how the brothers cheer each other on in the middle of their attacks? Adorable!
My god, nothing is more satisfying than getting an excellent rating on super cyclone bros in the remake at least, that shit was insane
I just beat Mario & Luigi GBA via the Switch yesterday and jeez I couldn't figure out 30% of those advanced ones, it's interesting to see what you had to do and how the remake handles - I didn't know going back to level 1 showed you the advanced inputs as some of the comments say 💭
5:48 *GO WEEGEE!*
2:55 this is the origin for mario’s forward air in super smash brothers 4
Wasn’t it in Melee tho so that’s not right
Am I the only one who thinks the gba animations pack more punch (also how much fire Bros has changed)
I agree with you partially. The secret (?) Bros moves are definitely more powerful in the 3DS version of the game. Super Thunder Bros having pink-purple lightning is pretty cool, though, and Luigi even knows he's awesome when he does this move. However, I miss how Fire Bros isn't a very powerful single target nuke attack when it's Advanced (Super) in this game.
Cant say I agree. I felt that the upgraded versions added a lot more umpf to the attacks. For example the Cyclone attack hammer finisher in the original felt like a puny toy hammer hit compared to the updated one.
I think the remake did a fantastic job recreating everything in the original. Looking forward to the BIS remake and the MLPT whenever they decide to do that one. Hopefully soon since the game is already rare as hell. Making it the only one not updated would be a mistake
Well, about that...
@@IzzyCrafted that is what we would call the curdled milk of comments
They looked awful, and that's why they went under.
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoonthat's not why. They went under because they remade their games on a dying console. Not to mention that one of those games was already playable on the console it was being remade for.
@@squid_cake You really are a clueless fool...
Nice
How the hell did this comment get over 70 likes?
Thumbnail: *Mario punching Luigi’s crotch*
LOL
5:25 Kamehameha Bros.
Weeb Bros.
I like (most of) the superstar saga bros attacks better because they were more quick which I think made them fit more with the chaotic tone, and also they were harder to pull off in the game boy advance version which made them much more satisfying when you actually get them down and pull them off.
edit: also some bros attacks is superstar saga were infinite, which they seem to have removed in the 3ds version in favor of excellents which I don't really like that much, I liked having infinite bros attacks, but I will admit the excellents are satisfying to pull off
To be honest. I don't mind that they slightly changed the moves. I don't mind that they made them their own attack options either. Still gotta use the original attack enough to unlock the advanced version anyways.
GOD DAMNIT that little “whoopee” Mario says when performing Super Splash Bros always gets me
While the original attacks did seem to have a bit more impact at times, I do like the remake's attacks better, as they're easier to pull off, aren't as cheap like the infinite knockback bros in the original, and look flashier.
Agreed
Also, the Bros. Attacks in the latest M&L games are kinda like items.
It's not really using special techniques that the bros learn.
omg in the remastered version, it takes a hell year to finish the attacl
I disagree, they seem to take the same amount of time to perform, if not only by a second or two more just to be more cinematic; in fact, Fire Bros. is performed faster in the remake than in the original.
Tell that to the original fire bros.
I love how in DX Mario and Luigi sound like their have a hell of a good time!
I prefer the original. Something about the remake feels off
Cero to me I'm was use to playing the gba version when I was little
It's look for like. A children's movie then in the original series
Cero
nah. the re-make its fine. it feels odd cause the nostalgia.
nah i didnt grow up with m&l and i prefer it.
same bro...
i dont like new mario & luigi aestheticlly overall
No, I think its because its a remake and people dont like remakes, never, ever, same story always...
Very cool attack revamps, but goddamn that music has all the soul taken out of it
I prefer the 3DS version; the fact they're not as quick means it should be easier to pull off the moves - something I had issues with in SS GBA.
I also like how the animations of some have been changed; my favourite would have to be the last one shown - "GO WEEGEE!"
PokeMaster22222 Same. While i do absolutly love superstar saga, i like the remake even more!
PokeMaster22222 I love that part too!Go Weegee!
I Liked when he said *"Go Luigi!"* During Super Thunder Bros.
@@deathblowringo4168 A G R E E D ! ! !
Oh my god, they brought back the "Go Weegee!" line too! This video just got even better- and it ended...
5:18 Rasengan bros.
These attacks are WAY easier in the remake, that's the biggest difference for me
Wow, they nerfed the two best skills in the game. Smh ._.
Mr. Nameless which ones
You fight Hermie III before you fight Popple when he teams up with Birdo. So put simply, the attack power is lower because the footage is showing an earlier part of the game.
Alpha Odogwin knockback bros. & chopper bros. Advance versions.
Why u shaking your head that was op in the original... They balanced the game XD 👀
This probably happened to the Mush Badges too lol. Hell, I heard they got nerfed in the Japanese version of the orignal game, so it's kinda a safe bet
It looks like mario is punching Luigi’s joy department in the thumbnail lmao
I kinda don't like how they got rid of the option to choose between an advanced move and a normal move with a different input during the attack, but I can see why they did it.
That go weegee at the end tho 👏👏👏👍👍👍👌👌
3ds graphics almost had me thinking it was Wii u for sec
First and foremost, I love this game. GBA was so much nostalgia and it got me doing challenge runs because how many times I have played and how much I love the game. I played through the remake and even though its solid, the GBA still takes it for me. That being said, its good see certain bros attacks like the element attacks and luigis cyclone bros move getting damage buffs in the remake since those moves could be somewhat underwhelming in the original. Still, I miss how the GBA has certain “infinite” bros moves like knockback bros so long as your timing is good. I swear the funniest memories were fights were i beat the enemy from full health because I kept going until they got KOd 😅
Looks neat, but I feel like they removed some of the skill factor in the remake. Some attacks became less needy of input, and the timing is much more lenient now. Probably the most disappointing thing IMO is how they handled Advanced moves. In the original, you had to discover when you could execute Advanced moves within the normal Bros. Attack. Here, the moves now dubbed Super Bros. Attacks are as streamlined as a normal Bros. Attack which IMO takes away the satisfaction of learning the move yourself.
BizerkPixel agreed, also, i hate how the advance knockback and chopper bros aren’t infinite anymore, they weren’t even that overpowered because you needed to learn how to time it. This game ruined those attacks and made them way worse
LiamPlqys Oh Come On, I Have Played Through The Entire Original Game, The Only Thing I Used Was Advanced Knock back Bros Since I Could Do It Perfectly So It Was Endless, Only Thing I Did, Ever, And It Made The Game Too Easy Imo, But That's Your Opinion, And I Won't Judge You.
Thunder Master
I know this comment is a month old, but can you fix how nearly *every* word you used is in capitals? It's a huge pain to read and respond to. It feels like one big run-on sentence because it's exactly that.
Is it hard to type like that, dude? Do you hit Shift for every word, or do you go back and do it through Auto Correct. This isn't how you type words, dude. You only capitalize the first word, names, and places.
I also really hated how they made them separate AND make them require more BP. It was nice to me to have to go back to speed 1 to figure out the advanced version... (and to this day I STILL don’t know how to properly perform the advanced thunder bros...)
I love how the enemies just outright pancake under any aerial attack
The left side of the thumbnail 💀
the euphoria one feels every time they land an excellent never dies
Here is my view on the remake.
People who grew up with the original feel more obligated to say that the original is very humorous and captures that sense of humor differently compared to how they do now.
People who will play this new version first, and play the original later will most likely prefer the new version due to it being more familiar with them.
I can't explain it well, as it is hard, but having comparisons I feel is the improper way to view the game.
The remake fundamentally lacks expression though. It's less vivid, contrasts the background even worse and as a result is a poor style choice
Not to mention the 3DS's 3D graphics aren't good?
+Hubismal Nah. The remake doesn’t lack expression. In reality, is just as expressive as the original with only a few exceptions. Those exceptions being Toad’s freak-out expression in the intro, Bowser’s facial expression after getting shout out of a cannon, and Luigi’s face after getting punched in the balls. Also, the vividness in the remake is still there but toned down to give us beatitful shadows and backdrops.
Ya can't compare to the original's graphics
@@realestAG it really lacks in soul
Wahoo new game coming soon!!
Point for GBA: They're faster and flashier.
Point for 3DS: You can actually do the Advanced Bros. Moves without googling a cheat guide.
The deluxe version moves are stylish as hell
Why are the original attacks so difficult? I mean look at this 3:26
Because they are
You just had to get good. And that’s the fun and reward for being able to fully do a special. Hint why they give you 3 different difficulties for it
Coming back from the Nintendo Direct 2024 THEY ARE BACK!!
Lo que rangu no hará nunca lol
Pd: Se ve genial el de 3ds
Demosle tiempo tarde o temprano sera capaz de hacer bien al menos un ataque
@@falconeerr Por supuesto!
Lo decía en broma.
No pensaba que nadie me encontraría aquí 😂
Veo complicado que pueda hacer algunos combos xD, yo no sé por que no utiliza mejor un mando.
@@TikenJCN Si le ayuda, debería.
Yo lo estoy jugando en móvil y la verdad es que no me parece difícil...
@romey stop school shooting
Sheesh! Popple is taking all the hits in og game. He'll be feeling all that tomorrow
Maybe it’s just me, but I feel the pixel style looks better in the original
I agree!
Edit:oof this is old.. ..i prefer the remake now but Im still fine with the old one!
@@BunnyPainter23 lmao xD
Ehh I think it’s more down to preference then one actually being better given how well pixel art has aged I played a lot of dream team so I am very bias when it comes to the way the new games look but I like both just don’t think the old pixel art really fits the series as well
@@crazycanyon3028 honestly fair, it’s been 6 years and now I agree the remake pixel art is very good, but I still really like the solid outlines and simple expressiveness of the original, but then again I just played the original bowsers inside story as a kid so it’s probably mostly nostalgia lmao. Either way hyped for brothership that game looks awesome
This advanced bounce bros on orginal was my fav. It seems just too fast and epic.
I think the 3DS ones are better not because of damage or anything technical but just because they feel more powerful with the sounds and effects
3:14 this move feels powerless on the 3ds version
Someone: showcases all bro’s attacks
Also Slmeone: beats the shit out of popple
I have to say the only thing I like about the remake bros attacks are that some of their animations are better than in the original and the excellent animation is good.
But unlike the original it's very slow so loosing some of that momentum you have.. well that happens a lot. Personally I think the speed of how the bros attacks happen, even the battle system of the original always keeps the player on their toes alot more than in this remake.
That speed decrease also makes it seem like they made them to be easier to perform now which I mean is fine, the normal bros attacks should be easy as it is a kids game. But this stretches into the advanced ones, or super which in the original were stronger harder to perform versions that rewarded you for being able to pull them off.
That does also bring me into the separate attacks for normal and super bros attacks. Im not knowledgable of how the advanced versions happen in the remake, but I do prefer the old style where the bros would come up with it in their own and the advanced versions of bros attacks were a thing you could do if you wanted to but were not separate from what the normal attack is. Like what the advanced attack is, coming up on the fly with a better way to do more. That concept gives that feeling that they are a team and bros and support each other in battle and everywhere else a lot more. It also made the menu less clunky without the super versions taking up space as well. But again as a kids game it does make it easier.
All in all I feel the games trying to be made more like Dream Team for one and two, more kid friendly which is all nice and well. Dream Team was good despite not being the best of the M&L games. But I can say without a doubt for me, a lot of the old Charm and love based on the art, style and gameplay has been lost.
I realized that there's no evolution of the Mario Bros getting 'back-attacked' (which means that the affected character begins in 'Trip' status)
4:40 How are you supposed to mash "A" like that...
I personally like the remake more. In a sense where the animation, sfx, visuals, and all that, including the little brother callouts, ending animation, and Ok! Good! Great! Excellent! Having more of an upgrade, all in all was amazing, but I will admit, the original is wayyyyyy too iconic, and the pacing was definitely better
Say what you want about the remake, I like how it looks too, but it has lost so much character in my opinion.
How? What all because it's in the dream team style im sick of complainers.
Dark Fawful
The dream team art style is actually really good and clean looking. I’m pretty sure he means that the new animations didn’t look as “goofy” as attacks. But now look like ACTUAL attacks. Chopper bros literally looks so fkin deadly In the remake compared to the original.
Jugular John I think the realistic style is better.
I always found it weird how Thunder Bros (non-Advanced/Super version) is the only Bros Attack that prompts only Luigi’s B button to be performed 🧐
A lot of these require mario to strike luigi mercilessly or throw him at enemies. No doubt mario came up with all these moves
Considering how in the original game Mario was the one to come up with most of the Advance moves, you’re right on the money.
*_THUMBNAIL_*
*Luigi:* OWCH MY BAWLS
So we just gonna gloss over the fact that Luigi has the power of electricity in this game after unlocking Thunder Bros
He's more powerful than Thor in my opinion. But with his bro Mario... They gotta go fast!
1:08 Yes, I remember when this Special Attack was Infinite. I defeat a lot of Bosses with it and with this Too 4:11