Interview with a former anti-vaxxer (w/ Lydia Greene)
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People are so easily swayed by personal experience and anecdotal evidence. Very few understand statistics, especially when they look at the VAERS stats, not knowing that these reports are well within the incidence of diseases that happen by chance alone.
Most of the general population doesn’t understand the epidemiological definition of “incidence” or the significance of the term “anecdotal”. Most are concrete thinkers and don’t comprehend mathematical/statistical concepts and why they matter. And they don’t realize how little they understand with regard to evaluating the veracity of scientific research. It’s important to connect with them in a personal fashion and respect their experiences and the perceptions of those experiences.
What statistics? Excess death, and increasing cardic and myocardial issues?
@@RabJ973citations required
@@RabJ973
The kind of statistics you mentioned in ”what statistics”.
Do you know how multivariate analysis is applied on covid-19 and vaccine studies? Can you interpret such data? Do you understand the null hypothesis for different ANOVA models?
Do you know ho to perform a t-test or an F-test? Can you tell us about a study on vaccines where it is used and what kind of information that can be extracted?
Do you know how to calculate a standard deviation from a given set of data? Or why there is something called the relative standard deviation?
Do you know what the main difference between a coefficient of variation for a population and for a sample? And why it is so? Ever heard of Partial Least Squares? Have you ever seen it in a study on vaccines to tell us what it does?
Do you anything about matrix calculation rules? Matrix optimizations?
Etc. etc. etc.
Yes, and empty vessels make the most noise.
Just for the record, I don’t recall ever hearing medical care providers claim I wouldn’t get Covid if I took the vaccine. What I heard was that it would help ease the overload in hospitals by lessening the signs and symptoms to the point where I probably wouldn’t need ICU if any hospital care at all. I must have chosen different influencers from the ones my anti vax friends picked.
As Dr. Jonathan Howard noted, overhyping vaccines wasn't pro-vaccine - it was pro-stop worrying about COVID-19. Being pro-vaccine requires complete honesty about the present evidence and limits thereof. Not merely about side effects but also effectivity.
It is unsurprising, then, that those who overhyped vaccines were celebrity anti-lockdown (and occasionally even anti-vaxx) doctors such as Dr. Vinay Prasad.
That's because there is no such thing as a vaccine that completely prevents infection.
I had all the childhood vaccines but still ended up with mild cases of both measles and mumps. Basically just time off where I got to stay home and play in my room, until the symptoms subsided. The vaccines prevented my cases from being worse.
@@mikolmisol6258 Thank you for the added perspective. I myself am amazed how many times my brain hears what it wants to hear even when I intently listen with no distractions.
It has been a feature of the pandemic that antivaxxers create a narrative that they then later accuse the public health experts as making. It's just another of the overused antivax deceitful tactics. They know they're lying and they don't care.
What was announced was the vaccine was for the elderly & vulnerable only !!
This category was at risk from severe symptoms and hospitalisation due to infection.
When it became mass produced everyone outside of these categories were told to get it to protect Grandma..
👍
An amazing perspective from your guest, thank you! "Natural" parenting advice is a stereotypical source of anti-vaxx beliefs. But it is fascinating that the pressure to breastfeed and errors in communication on the part of healthcare providers is what brought Ms. Greene to such a community.
I don't doubt that she has only ever wanted the best for her children, and it is heartwarming that she has now found it.
Trust is hard to gain and extremely easy to lose. You can spend years building it, and a single incident is sufficient to wipe all this effort away. It doesn't help that anti-vaxxers fabricate more such incidents to get worried parents onboard.
Thanks again!
Thanks for this. I really appreciate it. It also points out the dangers of such grifters as Depak Chopra who leaches off of people ignorance of a topic by using terms that people don't understand in ways that misleads them. There seems to be more and more of them scouring the fringes of knowledge to make use of things that sound advanced, lending a sense of awe to their victims. Probably what happened with Lydia's group who were earnestly interested in protecting themselves, and probably was misled by such grifters that spread such nonsense. And, yes, we do need intermediaries who can communicate with the general public. Good of you to reach out. Thanks to you and Lydia.
What misinformation was Depak Chopra spreading?
I am in awe of this woman. The fact that she succeeded to leave Anti-vaxx rhetoric, despite of any personal anecdotal evidence (which is the strongest conformational bias in any matter) is a galactic feat! Amazing.
Funny how some anti-vaxxers say that the "narrative is crumbling" where in fact, like all conspiracy theories, anti-vaxx beliefs rely on pure faith and parroting talking points that you must never question.
Ms. Greene is not the first ex-anti-vaxxer to describe the movement as a cult, and for good reason, it seems. She started asking inconvenient questions instead of continuing to believe things someone wrote just because they wrote them.
I am equally in awe. It is amazing that she has decided to address parents in the position that she found herself in to allow them to make truly informed choices about their children. 😊
@@mikolmisol6258 If the narrative is going to crumble it's going to happen in scientific journals and in scientific conferences. I more than welcome that happening, if they can support their claims with valid, repeatable experimentation.
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Erm "dead suddenly" no thanks il pass lol 😂
@@jaykanta4326 In your own words, what exactly is it that you feel that you benefit from having had the covid vaccines that those without them are "missing out" on?
thanks
The Exley studies were horrible. He used old technology, only got a few data points for each brain sample, and the measurements had a huge variation. And he never did negative control tests to rule out contamination.
Who you talking about?
@@theultimatereductionist7592 Christopher Exley’s studies of aluminum in brain slices from diseased people with autism/ASD were mentioned in the video. They have been discussed several times on scientific medicine sites. But they keep getting trotted out by antivaxxers.
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RIP kid!
This interview with a former anti-vaxxer who now is pro-science, studying nursing, and now PRO-VACCINATION, must have really got under your skin for you to start 5 idiotic, trolling threads in 24 hours... all unrelated to the video.
@@diandian9827 Are you sure she is pro-science?
pseudoscience - a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method
@@kordelas2514 I don't waste time on germ theory denialists. Don't address responses to me.
@@diandian99998 You do not have to do anything but I will expose your nonsense as you go against science and logic. You are just a typical cultist of scientism. And not an intellectual power house. lol
Thank you for this hopeful discussion.
So glad your daughter received her Hib vaccine, Lydia.
My daughter read Wakefield’s article 20+ years ago, became a total anti vaxxer and did not vaccinate her two children, which horrified me. (She’s called me old school, naive, a sheep, and uneducated. But she doesn’t remember Robby and Erin, two of my childhood friends, the former never to run again because of polio, the latter dead at age 12 from measles induced encephalitis. I’m 76)
By the time he was 3, my grandson-her older son-was obviously autistic. When he was 5, his little brother, age 18 months, contracted Hib and very nearly died.He actually looked dead, was unconscious with his face distorted and eyes lost in mounds of purple swelling. While he was in the hospital, the immunologist there had a good discussion with her and my daughter finally agreed to get her sons vaccinated. I was so relieved!
But then my niece, another antivaxxer, was telling everyone my older grandson was autistic due to receiving vaccinations. Even after I disabused her of this, and even after my daughter went through all that with her younger son, they both remain deeply entrenched in the anti-vax movement. I can only compare it to a cult religion, as it is not based on evidence at all, evidence that came up and smacked my daughter right between the eyes. (And she has a PhD from Cambridge University!) Both women are wild about RFK Jr.and would vote for him, They think he’d be great as head of the CDC, too. A lawyer!!
I think he’s more like a Jim Jones. Call me naive.
You've outlined the reason why the anti-vaxx movement is bound to fail once it deceives enough parents. Such scenes of horror witnessed first-hand cannot be distorted by the popular demagogues.
It is tragic that children have to die or suffer permanent disability to make some parents question whether they actually know more than medical professionals.
That just means that you don’t have to be smart to get a PhD.
@@mikolmisol6258, Insurance companies should refuse to cover the unvaccinated, and hospitals should refuse to treat them.
Hmm, there’s probably a holder of a PhD in biology somewhere who has, in the past, believed in conspiracy theories. And the 9-tenths of the world that, with no evidence whatsoever, believe in a god: all stupid? Or are these cases of non-overlapping magisteria? Not asking, really.🙃
@@terjeoseberg990I think that's completely right. Unless we're talking about physics and theoretical mathematics, getting a PhD only requires time and money.
This woman was able to come out from the depths of the rabbit hole, thanks to her critical thinking and to her ability to question her own beliefs... and all this, despite her personal background, and her bad stressful experience after the first vaccination of her kid. That's really great indeed! And she's very good in communicating too!
I questioned the Vax, and unquestioned the Vax, and re-questioned it again. I'm an anti Vax reformist to become anti Vax again. That's got to be highly critical in thinking, don't you think?
How many peer reviewed scientific papers in the fields of virology and pharmacology have you read? Why not read ALL of them and then come to a conclusion and stick with it?@@patrickcollins4462
My youngest had a crying fit after her vaccine too, but i knew that could happen. I gave her some painkiller, put her to bed for a nap, and after 5 minutes she stopped crying and fell asleep. 2 hours later, she felt a lot better and was her cheerful self again. Sure i felt bad about that she had some side effects, but i knew not vaccinating could be a lot worse than that.
Yes, the crying reaction is typical of the DTP vaccine, and it is caused by the local reaction at the vaccination site. It can last a few days, and paracetamol or ibuprofen should help.
Now they are saying kids can get seizures from the experimental drug
@@thedevilsadvocate5210
Not a drug
Not experimental
Seizures are far more likely with the higher fever cause by the infection.
Some Devil's Advocate.
@@thedevilsadvocate5210Who's "they"? Let me guess: The Establishment?
@@mikolmisol6258
A new study led by U.S. Food and Drug Administration researchers has identified a potential safety signal linking mRNA COVID-19 vaccines to seizures in children ages 2-5 years old
Well done for breaking away from the anti-faxers!
How long tell the flying monkeys arrive , keep up the good work Dr Wilson.
I'm used to it. 😂
Thanks - excellent approach - let's not waste time on those with extreme anti vaccine views and concentrate on those confused by misinformation. I'm sure you will have an excellent career Lydia and a big big well done
Triage
This was a great comment.
I think I've managed to change the mind of zero anti-vaxxers. If you can convince just one that is quite a feat.
I've managed a few, they have to be true believers though, you'll never convince a grifter... because they know they're lying.
I've convinced a few antivaxers and even a few germ theory deniers. Saving one from their insanity is indeed a feat unto itself.
If you’ve done zero then in anti vax circles that’s prolific. Especially if they’re into homeopathy
I haven't either
I think if you can get out of your black/white ideas, which are evident by using the term anti vaxxer, and speak to people knowing the reality of grey areas, then you and the people you talk to will both learn alot.
So great to see someone come out of the antivax rabbithole and fight the good fight!
In your own words, what exactly is it that you feel that you benefit from having had the covid vaccines that those without them are "missing out" on?
thanks
Éducation starts at school. The curriculum should address these issues.
Yes, science literacy, critical thinking, and media studies starting year1.
Students need to be taught how to think for themselves and to question everything. No anti-vaxx argument will be convincing to them then.
And students already are taught that in public schools. Not brainwashing private religious schools or homeschools.@@mikolmisol6258
Great calm conversation.
14:45 We also use systemic desensitization- slow and graduated exposure to the object of fear eg for fear of flying 1 take to air port , 2 up to terminal 3 airplane door , 4 sitting in airplane , then flying etc .
Another method is flooding eg
Fear of snakes - put one in a room full of benign snakes .
I love this new format . Thank you Dr Wilson for another great video and for your efforts in helping the humanity
Yes let's hear it from a vaccine injured individual next. Oh wait that's never going to happen on this channel is it 😬👍
@@ruthlesstruthful I have a vaccine injured family member . I got oral polio vaccine which in some cases reverts back to activated virus and excreted . My sister was sick so our doctor did not let her get vaccinated ( now we know better so we vaccinate even if sick ) . My oral polio vaccine gave my unvaccinated sister polio and she is paralyzed .
So here is the story . Once she got sick my family started a center for physically disabled . We saw a lot of unvaccinated children affected by polio . So this made us become run a huge comparing for vaccination for polio so what happened to my sister ( paralysis from polio ) should not happen to other children .
Since every injury that occurs from
Vaccine occurs way more frequently with the virus the vaccine is against every vaccine injured person if thinking correctly should advocate to vaccinate others to prevent others from such poor outcomes .
Since I know you hate the truth very much and you have never been able to handle the truth. Let’s see how you handle this one .
@@ruthlesstruthful Have to find one who isn't lying about it and actually has medical records establishing it, rather than supposition.
@@diandian9827 so what you are saying is either these people don't exist or they are rare ? That's the problem you don't want to know , see or hear the truth 👍 okay Pinocchio
@@ruthlesstruthful not rare . Saying that they’re rare would be a lie . The truth ( something you can never handle ) is that they are “extremely rare “. I
I love this format!!
Plus she is calm and not vitriolic
That makes a big difference.
She understands what it’s like to be in that position.
I can be when it's dished out at me. Lol. Be nice or feel my wrath.
I bet that's not the case with vile antivaxxers who spread deadly disinformation to scare the mothers that she does treat with calm and patience
@@4everyoung24 In your own words, what exactly is it that you feel that you benefit from having had the covid vaccines that those without them are "missing out" on?
thanks
@@safeeffective385
1. A three-six month window of protection from disease just after vaccination.
2. Reduced risk of dying from the disease if I get it.
3. Reduced risk of long covid.
Excellent and extremely insightful conversation. Thank you both!
When in Canadian army in 70’s, you lined up with line of tables. Buttoned your sleeves up, and master corporal would just yell out, to make a few steps forward and the nurses would give you several needle at each table. They called this exercise ‘needle parade.’ There was no asking nothing. They explained when you signed up , you were chattel.
Not sure characterising Mothers' concerns as a Rabbit-Hole is great language. Her account is totally plausible, not blameworthy in the context of being a Mum. We need to get better at tackling natural anxiety. It was a very interesting interview and a really great insight into what's driving some antivax followers motivation.
No mention of the other parent's involvement in the decision making regarding vaccines for the children.
Oh I was full on anti pharma. It had some negative impacts on the course of my autoimmune disease.
@@kathyhudson6525 because he doesn't want any part of this and I respect him. He supported me then and he supports me now. I interviewed his mother for my podcast if you're curious about that dynamic.
@@backtothevaxwithlydiaheath2582 thank you for getting back - I am always curious about how decisions in the household are made!
She and her breeding partner did NOT have to breed. They could have chosen NOT to breed.
Antinatalist FACT.
I wonder if there's a link between the rise in anti-vaccers and the decrease in community midwives. It used to be that a new mother would get regular visits from a midwife, and could contact the midwife if something happened or they were worried about something. And the midwifes were totally focused on Mums and their babies.
Great interview
It got a little sparse at the end there
“Steve what’s his face” is steve kirsch and for those of us who know who he is(and I’d guess a lot of people here do) we all know just how insidious he is
I think y’all could’ve elaborated better about just how seriously bad he is beyond cringey (and yes, he is cringey) and explained the money thing better(like why you would ask him for money, I know it’s because the bet)
And the DDT - polio is a thing because of a very sad chapter of our history before either the Salk or the Sabin vaxxes were formulated
I am really glad you pointed out your child has autism and hadn’t been vaccinated until almost 5. I’m sure that’s a difficult thing for the anti-vax community to let sink in. I think it’s amazing that you came this far and are raising a child with autism coming from a community who will try and pin that on vaccines and/or western medicine practices. You pointed quite affirmatively how one could go down a natural path and land in the rabbit hole (not that all natural paths lead their but some do)
All I’m trying to say here is that your volume of great info, and your powerful story was not lost on me, however those points at the end are also important and were glossed over because of wrapping up- not a crime imo but nonetheless could be helpful for those who don’t know about Mr Kirch’s invective dialog
Wow. Its an amazing thing to see someone not double down but actually take in the facts.
Merry myocarditis, everyone!
Great video!
I administered two vaccine doses yesterday. Only I have absolutely no training. I am just a programmer.
Oh, and the two recipients of the vaccines? My dogs. 😁
I once saw a cat died of feline panleukopenia. It was awful. Then all her newborn kittens also died one by one. I even took time off from work to try to take care of them and save them. But they all died. THAT was even worse.
I wonder how many people with pets dutifully vaccinate their pets according to the schedule, and then went online and said _if it was a vaccine, you take it only ONCE!_
I'm seeing pet owners who are against the rabies vaccine of all things. They genuinely believe the vaccine is worse than a 100% fatal disease.
Just keep your dog away from the "covid" needles when they start pushing that. Lol
@@RabJ208 What a stupid remark.
@@RabJ208 Just keep Rabby away from your dogs.
@@williamverhoef4349 In your own words, what exactly is it that you feel that you benefit from having had the covid vaccines that those without them are "missing out" on?
thanks
Absolutely agree from 27:00 - listen and get specific and detailed, Respect their intelligence, and engage. - bullying backfires.
Well, let's distinguish between antivaxxers who spread misinformation and their victims who have been scared into believing their lies.
I’ve only had the flu a couple of times and the flu shot a couple more times, in 30 years
Pascal is Jasper. Just deleted his newest thread, an ad hominem of course.
That's 5 concurrent accounts of answering himself and giving himself "thumbs up".
Not desperate or anything...
Which are the other 3 accounts?
@@lindawardBart is one. Mayday may be another
@@jaykanta4326What was the gist of the deleted thread?
@@lindaward There has been at least 3 different thread comments that he's deleted, and I forget them as soon as possible, because they're just so..dumb.
@@PascalT2 Why did you recently delete 3 threads?
This was such a great interview. I really appreciate it. My thanks to Dr Wilson and Lydia.
Really interesting talk!
EDIT: I've encountered many antivaxxers asking me to find unvaccinated autistic people. I usually tell them that all autistic people are born autistic, and not all newborns are immediately vaccinated. So there's their population of autistic and unvaccinated people. Of course they don't like the answer. They don't like the fact that autism is already there when you're born, and it develops later on.
I'm not happy about his kid being autistic, but it feels good to know she receives the same silence when she presents at least one case.
Everyone should know this saying and truth: dosage makes the poison. A little of something can hurt you as well as too much.
that's not what it 'dosage makes the poison means'. A little of something, even arsenic, can be non-toxic if the dose is small enough, and even water is toxic if you give enough.
Tell me you flunked middle school chemistry without telling me you flunked middle school chemistry.
It really doesn't sound like you know what you're talking about.
It's not truth if you apply the statement incorrectly, which you are.
"Safe and effective" 😂 lol now "dead suddenly" oops dropping like flies the mugs.
That was good man
I was once just like you Lydia. The pandemic opened my eyes to the lies of the anti-vax community. My youngest child's first vaccine was the Covid vaccine, at 13 years old
Hence why you setup another UA-cam account 🤦🏻
@@ruthlesstruthful What are you talking about?
@@silversun119 👍😉
@@ruthlesstruthful truthlessrueful
@@silversun119 educated response 🙄👌
Very good
Great conversation! She’s awesome
Thank you Dr. Wilson!!!❤❤❤
Anti-vaxxers are coming here in droves. The education system has failed us.
They're just loud and obnoxious. Most people still vaccinate their children.
And there's the proof of failed education.
@Jasper_11 How long do you require for “long term” safety studies?
@Jasper_11
@Jasper_11 "The term "anti-vaxxer" is in my opinion a label, given to people who think for themselves and do their own research."
"do their own research" meaning getting caught in some social media bubble, allowing yourself to be misinformed (it is an active choice) and then *thinking* you are doing your own thinking, but in reality just becoming a zombie repeating falsehoods.
That's you, Jasper/Bart/Maarten.
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Make sure to grab a copy of the "Vaccine Fears Overturned" booklet - link in the description. It's a good overview and countering of vaccine misinformation.
Each section of the booklet was reviewed by an expert, for example: "Reviewed by: Susan Oliver, Ph.D. in Nanomedicine"
@@MysticOblongVery cool! I didn't know Dr. Oliver was involved in such projects. 😊
@@mikolmisol6258 I had no idea either until I spotted her name. She certainly gets around and puts her time to good use!
@@MysticOblong In your own words, what exactly is it that you feel that you benefit from having had the covid vaccines that those without them are "missing out" on?
thanks
This was a fantastic interview. More light needs to be shed on individuals that crawl out of conspiracy theory groups, their insight is priceless right now.
Yes, the value of their insight is massive.
A novel mechanism for the loss of mRNA activity in lipid nanoparticle delivery systems
Meredith Packer,
Nobody can take things you post seriously. Why did this particular video trigger you so badly that you post a new thread every few hours? Is it because a former antivaxxer learned she was being told wrong, inconsistent information, and she was able to crawl out of the rabbithole?
@@diandian9827 D, D.... I understand you not willing to address the paper, you probably have an idea what the implications are. Steve on the other hand hasn't got a clue of the implications if the findings of that paper.
@@MessiahNonEst I don't care to address the paper. I'm addressing your behavior on this particular video. I'm surprised you can't understand that.
@@diandian9827 I cite a paper related to vaccines on a video all about vaccines and you get all triggered and upset.... OK darling, whatever floats your boat.
@@MessiahNonEst I'm neither triggered nor upset. I posted an observation of your behavior. I was very clear about that. Obviously, you're projecting. This video which you keep ignoring must have "triggered and upset" you, rather.
I listened until the part where she says that she hasn t vaccinated her kids, did something happen to her kids and thats why she woke up? If anyone can send me a time stamp, i dont have time to listen the whole podcast.
Your story reminds me so much of myself. I think this perspective is so needed!
Well done on getting out of the rabbit hole.
What started you extricating yourself?
Thank you!
It was the pandemic. I had a friend that was telling me some of the myths and conspiracies about the Covid vaccine, and they upset me. I had been excited to finally have a vaccine coming out, but the things she was telling me were scary. So to ease my anxiety I started researching. I found lots amazing science communicators who really broke down why these myths can’t be true.
Eventually misinformation became a special interest of mine. I’m autistic so when I say I love listening to and talking about this stuff, I really mean that lol
But before the pandemic I kind of just believed a lot of the myths I heard. I was afraid of non organic foods, I vaccinated my kids but I worried that I was hurting them and hated myself for that. If I didn’t eat “natural” foods and took medications, then I was “bad” and a “bad mom.” I’m so grateful to science communicators for helping me set the record straight!
@@CatsandHatsCrochet What you said about yourself really does sound like what Lydia Greene said in this interview! Glad to hear also that like Lydia you found your way out of the misinformation. That's really interesting (and kind of ironic) that it was the misinformation around Covid that got you questioning other misinformation - again like Lydia.
@@CatsandHatsCrochet In your own words, what exactly is it that you feel that you benefit from having had the covid vaccines that those without them are "missing out" on?
thanks
Thanks a lot
20:23 This!
I’m looking for a vaccine injury vs car accident statistic I can use because I feel like that would be a huge difference.
These comparisons exist but they don't make much difference in persuading someone who believes antivaxx narratives.
@@BeornnMcCarthy You do know that covid "vaccine" reuptake is only at about 3%, right?
😂
@safeeffective385 source? depends how you define reuptake. I would imagine people getting boosters when they aren't recommended by public health authorities is a low number.
@@BeornnMcCarthy Go conduct a basic keyword search of what I mentioned, and you will find plenty of articles about this in the news.
@@BeornnMcCarthy What "antivaxx narrative"?
I've heard from countless individuals that regret the jabs, who stopped getting more.
And I've talked to 100's that have had zero, and not even one regrets their decision.
It's not a "narrative", it's just the truth.
32:18 re communicating - I would suggest also don’t make fun of people who don’t believe in evolution, because there are a lot of them out there, and they need to not feel alienated by the scientific community as well. And many of them are not stupid people. I’ve heard you do it a few times. many of us grew up in religious homes and still have great affection for the religious community. You have to be able to communicate with them too about this stuff and they aren’t gonna listen if right off the bat, you dismiss as foolish the things they believe.
Nope, everyone should make fun of creationists, because they are anti-science. They are luddites.
Tolerance of that level of ignorance is not a virtue.
Religious people have no right to complain about feeling "alienated". Alienating others via dogma is about all religious people do, day in, day out.
I also grew up in a religious household but Genesis was considered an allegory, and science ruled. I didn't know anyone who thought Genesis was the actual way things started. It was just a great story. Heck, I had a fossil collection. (Still got it)
This was a great conversation
LOL
Hey vaxxers, "boom boody-boom boody-boom boody-boom - goodness gracious me!"
A quick read of the booklet: It lists claims & says they aren't true. I don't see how that works for someone who is being told that these claims are true. Why believe the booklet?
Because the facts in the booklet can be supported by scientific evidence.
The QR codes at the end of each chapter lead to all the references used as evidence supporting the claims made.
Because it's backed by evidence and consensus.
I’m still out here with a full bill of health mfers.
Pure blooded baddie 😆🤣😂
Celebrating dumb luck ? So proudly telling us that you survived despite your dumbness . Is that supposed to impress us ? lol
Hey Vaxxers!
When will you do a talk on the fact that our most vulnerable populations (the homeless) are all doing just fine? 🦗🦗🦗
Anyone that lives in any big city, anywhere in Western Civ will attest that they are thriving.
When we consider that they are typically lacking in hygiene, are not jabbed, often share syringes/smokes/food/drinks, and live in cramped tents/rvs/shelters... aren't you curious as to how they are doing so well?
(And if you do not believe this, just go ask any cop anywhere in Western Civ and they will confirm the same thing as they work with the homeless constantly).
This☝indisputable truth bomb alone serves to completely destroy the entire lie-based narrative.
Every week another story of some poor homeless person dying young . I haven't a clue what world you live in mate
@@daraorourke5798 Not dying "of covid" though, that's for sure.
Prove me wrong.
If covid was all that you were so carefully conditioned to believe that it is, there's simply no possible way to explain away how it is that they are doing so well.
@@safeeffective385 "Prove me wrong."
Typical anti-vaxxer: make large claim, provide no evidence other than hearsay (and even that would just have to be taken at face value), and then demand OTHERS to provide evidence.
Well, let's provide evidence, and see how it will be handwaved away, because anti-vaxxers have "stories":
"Race and Ethnicity and Sex Variation in COVID-19 Mortality Risks Among Adults Experiencing Homelessness in Los Angeles County, California" which concludes *excess risk of age-adjusted COVID-19 mortality among PEH compared with the general population.*
From the UK "The Impact of Being Homeless on the Clinical Outcomes of COVID-19: Systematic Review", which concludes *the homeless population had higher rates of hospitalisation and mortality than the general population.*
Just two examples that I am absolutely certain will be handwaved away for not suiting the anti-vax narrative.
Hey! Lydia 🎉 but your hair is really brownish, was hoping for something vibrant - please don't tell us you're getting dull-professional 🙏 stay grovyy😘😘
It was just braided out of my face. I still have my money piece.
"Critical windows of exposure to household pesticides and risk of childhood leukemia."
"Published:1 September 2002"
So?
@@jaykanta4326 that's right and it is still valid and even more so as pesticides create many virus like illnesses. Would time be better spent focusing on causes rather than the theoretical benefits of mRNA vaccines?
@@dunk_law "it's still valid"
Hmm, no. 21 years old, off-topic study that you pulled out of your arse.
You didn't even watch the video. Just stop trolling.
This antivaxxer just ran off a cliff!
@@williamverhoef4349 I am not an antivaxxer but I am wondering why no one is taking about causes of illness as opposed to experimental technologies, especially when both are made by the same corporations.
I’ve heard from countless individuals that regret getting the jabs, who stopped getting more.
And I've talked to hundreds that have had zero, and not even one regrets their decision.
In fact, the vast majority agree that not participating in this is one of the best decisions that we’ve ever made in our lives.
you used to say it was thousands....
I do not have running count of how many I spoke with who regretted getting jabbed and will never again, but it is in the hundreds. Those who regretted not getting jabbed is exactly zero point zero. Uptake of the 'new and improved safe and effective modRNA gene therapy is shit. Hence the desperation of the vax cult and the commensurate stock prices in the toilet for Pfizer and Moderna. And as the lawsuits ramp up, things will get more fun.
@@philo3479Care to explain how the jabs allegedly modify human genes?
@@philo3479Do you still believe that >100 studies show that ivm is effective against c19?
@@NonFlyiingDutchman count·less
/ˈkoun(t)ləs/
adjective
too many to be counted; very many.
19:00 Autoimmune diseases 3 times more common in the unvaccinated vs those vaccinated with mRNA anti COVID vaccines
Citation needed
@Jasper_11 lol ok clown has evidence ever matter to you ? Lol . When did an antivaxer ever care about evidence ? Lol . Here it is anyway to demonstrate you actually don’t care about facts
Nature communications - published March 9 ,23 . Jillian Cox
Lancet - August ,2023 . Kuan Peng, Xue li
JAMA network , October 6 ,2023 - Sung Ha Lim , MD , Hyun Jeong Ju , MD
@@MessiahNonEst
Nature communications - published March 9 ,23 . Jillian Cox
Lancet - August ,2023 . Kuan Peng, Xue li
JAMA network , October 6 ,2023 - Sung Ha Lim , MD , Hyun Jeong Ju , MD .
As if facts matter to you.
@@Sceince01 The fact you cannot cite a study/paper is a fact I should worry about but I don't, it's no more than I expected . Care to try again and actually cite the actual study.
@@Sceince01 Can you not copy something as simple as the lead authors name.... It's Kuan Peng. And Kuan and team warned about generalising all vaccines when the study involved just two of the many covid vaccines. Your post is misinformation, factually incorrect and false.
Wrong author, a paper that contradicts your post and here you are banging on about facts.🤣🤣🤣
Jeez this story....so sad you need a license for pretty much everything...except to force a conscious being into life without their consent...You need ZERO competency qualifications for that one, and then its a snowball from there
What?
Welcome to Antinatalism, pipelineaudio! I am a proud patriotic Green Party member pro-vaccination Antinatalist Animal Rights Vegan American!
Dropping like flies.
@NonFlyiingDutchman stated: "There are youtube videos that prove the earth is flat" and now the poor guy has gone full flerftard claiming Australia does not exist.
single sentence taken out of context + misunderstand + straw man = 70skidmark
@@steveoxocube "You're severely autistic"..... There it is people circus 🤡 steve showing his true colours by mocking the inflicted while trying to be funny.
@@steveoxocube The line for Jasper and the gorilla account known as "GoodMorning" is obviously way past lying about-- and mocking- a child's death. Reprehensible.
70's Kid, this is disappointing even from you. If you think slandering someone makes you look better, perhaps reaching adulthood someday will teach you that it doesn't.
It makes YOU look bad.
Are you not intelligent enough to understand why he asked you those questions?
@Jasper_11 You mocked and lied about the death of a child.
Go ahead and convince yourself you're a good person. Your actions say otherwise.
Disgusting.
I like what this lady is saying, but I happen to see her communication on Twitter and she’s very aggressive when she talks to people who she labels as “anti-vax.” So I’m surprised to hear her say that people should listen to the concerns of antivaxxers.
I’m not antivax myself - I just took a TDAP that I almost certainly don’t need because we have a ten year schedule for adults, while in other countries they say that you don’t need boosters as adults.
I give back the aggression I get. Be nice and I'm nice. Be a jerk and I'm a jerk.
I've literally had death threats from antivaxxers. And comments on my appearance. I'm not a doormat, thank you very much.
" I’m surprised to hear her say that people should listen to the concerns of antivaxxers"
Nope. You misunderstood. She was talking about parents who have come under the influence of the misinformation spread by antivaxxers. In other words, the victims of those disgraceful antivaxxers who like to scare the $h!+ out of them.
Tetanus boosters are highly recommended in most countries - the US just seems to be more proactive in offering it.
Same here!@@backtothevaxwithlydiaheath2582
🤠🤘💜
Dead suddenly 😂
"Joined 1 day ago."
Oh look.
Not a troll.
@@diandian9827 No wrong i have been on UA-cam since it started i just swap emails over to avoid the censoring like the virologists worldwide speaking out were censored by facebook and twitter bosses for stating the facts silly...it ain't nuclear physics "dizzy dian"....pewdiepie brain 🤣
@@May_Day45 How many sock accounts do you have now, Jasper?
@@May_Day45 🤡 Get "boosted" lol 😂
@@jaykanta4326 Get "boosted" lol 😂
Dead suddenly oops erm no thanks 😂
Don't worry, little Rikki troll with the new 3-day old account. No one expected you to learn to think and use proper sources like the interviewee here in the video. It must have been so upsetting for you to see someone crawl out of the misinformation rabbithole, your present place of comfort.
@@diandian9827 🤡
@@diandian9827 Had jab 6 yet? Lol 😂
@@diandian9827 Dizzy dian "pewdiepie" brain.
Totally clueless.
@@user-sc4zh7ji1q It really was too much for you, wasn't it. Don't worry, no one expected good character or a better decision from you .
DARPA-made bioweapon, researched, developed, and implemented by the DoD/US Military industrial complex... is what this is.
not a very good one given that billions of us are all fine and the world population is increasing.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman That's because it's not online yet.
You may want to go do some more research about this, so you can gain a clue about the topic by the way.
Personally, I would be all over inquiring about that... if I were yourself.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman While you're here...
To suggest that "billions of us are all fine..." is classic Bandwagon Fallacy:
You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people did something as an attempted form of validation.
The flaw in this argument is that the popularity of an idea has absolutely no bearing on its validity.
If it did, then the Earth would have made itself flat for most of history to accommodate this popular belief.
@@safeeffective385 ha ha!
"Bandwagon Fallacy"....you say? you also said
"I’ve heard from countless individuals that regret getting the jabs, who stopped getting more"
"And I've talked to hundreds that have had zero, and not even one regrets their decision"
"In fact, the vast majority agree that not participating in this is one of the best decisions that we’ve ever made in our lives"
and then...
"The flaw in this argument is that the popularity of an idea has absolutely no bearing on its validity."
Do you even read your own posts?🤣
@@safeeffective385 "That's because it's not online yet".....OMG! you believe the microchip stuff!
Incidence and clinical characteristics of adverse neurological events and stroke-like syndrome associated with immune stress-related response after COVID-19 vaccination in 2021 from Thailand
Wikawee Sirisuk
most neurological AEFIs were ISRR, had mild severity and resolved within 30 days.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman Great cherry picking there @NonFlyiingFlatEarthMan. And what about the 69.8% of patients that were not followed up, what were their outcomes @NonFlyiingFlatEarthMan?
@@MessiahNonEst Ha ha! you describe the conclusion of the paper you cherry pick a line from 'cherry picking'!....you muppet.
Random twatdroppings that are useless since you've never read the study nor can you defend it.
Why did you cite this study? Is it just spam, again? It doesn't support the anti-vax agenda.
History of cerebrovascular disease but not dementia increases the risk for secondary vascular events during SARS-CoV-2 infection with presumed Omicron variant: a retrospective observational study
Christina Mayer
🤷🤦🤔
yes, more evidence to show the importance of getting vaccinated so thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman And what vaccine would that be then..... The Presumptive vaccine for the "presumed" virus?
Do you have the paper where they isolated the "presumed" virus I can read.
@@MessiahNonEst yes, there are plenty of papers where they isolate the virus. If you can show me conclusively and to my satisfaction that Australia exists as you've previously avoided doing, then I will show you the isolation of the virus.
@@MessiahNonEst Show me conclusively and to my satisfaction that Australia exists, something you've avoided doing, and I'll show you what you ask for.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman "Australia.... avoided doing so". Must have missed that question you've never asked before but hey £600 gets you a return flight so dead easy to confirm for yourself. And no the plane will not land on it's roof Mr - down the F/E rabbit hole - @NonFlyiingFlatEartherMan.
Plus you get to stop over in China, if you're real lucky you might fit in a pilgrimage to the holy temple of virology in Wuhan. I here it's a must for all true believers.
Oh and when you get back maybe you can send me that paper isolating the "presumed" virus they pressumed their patients to be infected with. Not some other virus isolation paper: the actual "presumed" virus they were presumably studying.
Enjoy you flight and say hello to little miss D, D from me while your down there.
Doc do tell us all about Eurofins and their connection to Moderna and your ties... Oh and that other Vax related company too.. seeing that we are all being honest here .
@@Bart-K22 As of 2023, Wilson was working at Eurofins Scientific
Eurofins Viracor BioPharma supported the assay development, validation and testing of the Moderna mRNA-1273 COVID-19 vaccine candidate.
Call me a liar now .... Biased BS
@@Bart-K22 lol. What mental gymnastics is this?
@@backtothevaxwithlydiaheath2582 if this causes flip flops in your brain you may need to consider refraining from commenting 😬
Reported
@@jaykanta4326 oh no the UA-cam police are coming. All info is posted online and wiki ... Publicly available information 🤪
A lot of discrimination based on vaccine status but I'm glad all the vaccinated got to enjoy pubs, clubs restaurants and indoor settings. Getting to travel abroad with their covid passports while the unvaccinated were restricted and denied same rights.. who's responsible for the spread of covid according to the scientists and experts 🤦🏻? Hardly those denied entry to indoor settings and from traveling abroad. Hands up who was out for a few pints mingling? In a restaurant? Etc any wonder kids had it into school with them Monday morning and nursing homes etc I'm not pointing the finger but stating I was innocent in it all. Locked down, socially distancing, sanitising and mask wearing... Bigger fool me while the above mentioned were granted allowances. Shove the discrimination you were all the same before a poxy booster, have a look at your partying politicians photographed during lockdowns regardless of the rules in place 👍
See? More lies.
That never happened. You're just playing the victim because you're a cowardly liar. I'll still be around when Dr. Wilson interviews you after you've changed your mind.
@@jaykanta4326 provide the evidence or else what your stating is b.s
Do you need someone to call for help for you, RuthlessLiar?
@@diandian9827 oh my what an educated response, how will I ever defend my comment against this one 🙄 NEXT !!
Interview someone who has been injured or similar due to the VX. What are you afraid of? I know the audience must be fed but let's hear both sides. Scraping the bottom of the flat earther and conspiracy theory barrels doesn't do you much justice to be fair.
and for balance, since you're interested in both sides, how many injured or bereaved from the virus should he interview?
You mean someone who CLAIMS to have been injured or similar due to the vaccine.
Sorry, we have science, you have stupid anecdotes. That's why I make fun of you.
@Jasper_11 Hey coward, you've been using McCullough as a credible source.
And you defend the liar Campbell.
Maybe you're not the best judge of character, eh, coward?
@@NonFlyiingDutchman as many as he wishes
@@NonFlyiingDutchman I bet your going to tell me you know lots of people injured from the virus but none injured by the Vax.
Remember that time you wished upon the bad winter flu season that was going to wipe out the unvaccinated? All those discriminating comments all based on VX status.
I find it so bizarre that people put trust in other people who claim to know exactly how the human body works and what it needs to function properly. It is literally the most complex piece of engineering and nobody has the blue prints to know for sure what they think they do know. It seems obvious to me to have some trust in the belief the creator/maker/designer (call it whatever you want) factored in self healing. Fuel the body well, don't submit to the BS influences and the body takes care of itself. Every illness is caused by poor fuel, lifestyle, the PHD Dr Funk would rather have you believe a bunch of heavily invested industries know better than you trusting your own immunity and instincts.
stop lying and spreading misinformation.
"Nobody has the blue prints to know for sure what they think they do know". Yet YOU are certain you can heal yourself. Not every illness is caused by poor fuel. I had a teeny tiny dirty thorn cause me blood poisoning once. If I hadn't known about what to look out for I would have been a goner. My son's Type One was not caused by bad fuel, despite what some crackpot macrobiotic nutrition tried to tell me, and neither was the polio that he actually suffered from.
@@Lily-Bravo Ok. I wish your son well. Until you do the extensive research on "Polio" and "Type1". You are not ready for a discussion. Do your son the service of doing that for him. You have to look at both sides of the equation and be objective. Ancestral eating, like pure carnivore is helping so many people with Type 1. Ignore me, despise my message or look into it for your son's sake. Good luck and best wishes.
@@NonFlyiingDutchman Thinking for yourself and trusting your own body is now interpreted as lying and misinformation ? Above people who have vested financial interest on a majority relying on their snake oil ? Ok then and good luck with your choices.
@@stukyu claims that "every illness is caused by poor fuel, lifestyle" is lying and misinformation; please stop it.
implying that tested and approved medical treatments are 'snake oil' is lying and misinformation, again, please stop it.
Please, vaccinate as much as you can your kids, and the day they get sicker, don't complain and blame it on the climate change.
If you really believe you don’t want to get your children any vaccines you would have to home school, as polio, chickenpox, MMR, Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and hepatitis vaccinations are required for public school in, I think, all states. But why don’t people just ask their pediatrician.
Lol. My sons autism struggles improved after an accelerated schedule. Shall we tell people vaccines help autism, since correlation is causation.
That's not how vaccination works. You don't "vaccinate as much as you can". You follow the schedule set up with the child's pediatrician. Clearly ....and hopefully... you have no children.
@@diandian9827 that's a scary thought. Imagine a child being related to Goofmaster1221 and learning his pseudoscience bullshit. Poor kid.
@@sithwolf8017 Extremely scary. The partner would first need a sturdy paper bag, that's for sure....
I'm still down the rabbit hole. A lot safer to be sceptical
Being skeptical of something new is understandable. What isn't understandable is being skeptical after the vaccines have been proven to work as intended. At that point, it morphs into denial.
Then maybe you can be sceptical about what is being said in the rabbit hole.
You're not sceptical, you're a cynical anti-vaxxer. Being unvaccinated is a selfish and ridiculous choice, it's anti-social.
Getting a serious dose of covid, or other potentially serious diseases, isn't being safer
Until you get sick. Please reconsider.
Oh this is for other vaccines. Not COVID
All vaccines.
I've had 6 covid shots.
@@backtothevaxwithlydiaheath2582I've had 12. Lol
@@RabJ208 look at you not dead. A homeless guy took dozens for fraud purposes. Didn't die.
@@backtothevaxwithlydiaheath2582, no wayyyyy 😳
I'm sorry to hear you came to the conclusion that the official story about 911 wasn't at the very least questionable. Not all conspiracies can be so easily debunked. Whereas the anti vax beliefs can easily be argued with studies that demonstrate the vaccine is safe and effective for the majority of people the official story of 911 isn't so easily supported when you consider the physics and evidence that have come out against it. Consider over 3000 architects and engineers disagree with the official story and the University of Alaska Fairbanks' study about building 7 clearly refuted NIST's report. For what it's worth I personally don't hold any opinion about who was behind 911. I don't know if it was an "inside job" or if it was any number of other conspiracy ideas naming people/orgs behind it. I just know the science doesn't support the official story and I leave it at that.
Building 7 was part destroyed on one elevation by falling debris. There is a live reporter stood right at the scene, and you can see the damage “Vince Dementri raw footage”. The fire was also left to burn without adequate suppression
@@damocarew I'm aware of the damage and fires to building 7. The extent and magnitude of that damage doesn't account for the building in it's entirety falling into it's footprint at near free fall speed. Don't take my word for it. Read the U of Alaska Fairbanks report.
This isn't the place for this. Sorry.
Herpty derpty.
@@honuman39 "The extent and magnitude of that damage doesn't account for the building in it's entirety falling into it's footprint"
Because you're an expert, right?
Safety of Monovalent BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech), mRNA-1273 (Moderna), and NVX-CoV2373 (Novavax) COVID-19 Vaccines in US Children Aged 6 months to 17 years
Mao Hu, Azadeh Shoaibi,
The one that hasn't passed peer-review? So what, skidmark?
So you post this, but ignore the NEJM peer-reviewed studies (2020, 2021) establishing the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccines?
@@diandian9827 The non-peer-reviewed research had some safety signals that need further research, but aren't really a major concern. The overall message is that the previous studies on safety are still valid, that's about it.
Favourite past time of antivaxxers: cherry picking.
@Jasper_11 You didn't give one fk about the child you were mocking the other day online, on this very channel, who drowned in a bathtub.
So spare us your unproven claims. Loonatik.