he explained why anecdotes are unreliable in his own story. his friend ate a healthy diet so he wonders if that's what killed him. his friend also exercised so by the same logic we could conclude that was the problem. yet he would never buy into THAT spin even though it´s just as valid (i.e. also has zero validity). deep down he understands the friend probably died IN SPITE of exercising and the anecdote proves nothing
Totally!! I think he fully understands there is no logical way to argue against this, he’s a smooth talking old school used car style sales man so he just goes deeper and “deeper”… in to the wilderness of generalised contradicting word salads, appealing to things that sound good to the majority
Simon, glad you are breaking this interview into these short segments addressing specific fallacies of the guy spooked by plants. These are very effective.
Anecdotes online is a big part of our problem. That and greedy bastards who intentionally put out this bullcrap in order to make money off confusion. Read Merchants of Doubt.
@@anungunrama7646Actually Simon is speaking the truth because short term is does help with weight loss and improve some numbers because of the removal of junk food. There aren't large long term controlled studies on low carb yet so he can't say definitive that it's good or bad. That's not sowing doubt. It may cause someone to question whether it's safe long term and well it should because the studies haven't been done. Common sense and a look at humans physiology though will answer that long term low carb will cause health problems.
It's a shame Kiltz even has a platform since he obviously has either no understanding of nutritional science and methodology or does and is intentionally lying and evading the facts. Either way, if you listen to the entire debate he refutes his own ridiculous "arguments" and I am glad Simon could point out some of his errors publicly at least.
Lol, anecdotal evidence which is literally the lowest quality evidence in terms of reliability is his top quality evidence. Tells you all you need to know about the guy.
@JG-do6eb what ever ....just a question 🤔 If you got on a plane and the pilot announced he never sat for his license but has listened to hundreds of people that have flown...would you stay in your seat 💺 🤔🤡🤡🤡
How did Simon not just laugh in this clowns face....the just had to look away from Simon because he had nothing and knew he was about to me rect big time 🎉🎉
HE makes me sick with his slick ads and I know people that believe him. Like they say, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth. I never saw so many ads as he produces. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
He sounds like a crazed cult preacher. A sensible argument if you're carnivore (I'm not) would be that medical research is biased against lifestyle interventions as there is no money to be made out of it. Also the studies into keto often do not actually ensure ketosis in the intervention group (and often include simply low carb diets which wouldn't achieve ketosis). I think the long term cardiovascular risk is a good question that needs to be answered with long term studies. So pro keto people can currently say - its a good treatment diet for a number of chronic conditions, but we dont know the long term side effects yet and more research is needed.
The carnivore diet can be considered an elimination diet, much like the FODMAP protocol, only much more extreme. The fascinating thing is that people are not only able to survive, but thrive on a carnivore diet. Why it hasn't been studied more is disappointing. How is it people are living well for decades on the diet I think is fascinating. I mean, it goes against everything I thought I knew about health and nutrition.
You mean Bart "not actually a professor" Kay? Cmon be series that serial troll is up there with Klitzy boy all the way and just totally full of himself 🤦♂️🤣.
@@888jucu Then it should be easy to crush him in a debate, yet they all seem scared of him. If he’s a joke, bring him on and debate him, even if for a laugh.
I dropped all plant kingdom stuff from my diet in 2018. I lost 80 lbs. My blood pressure went from 170/? to 120/80 (I forget what the prior diastolic was - not good), chronic pain in my right shoulder disappeared. I never had clinical depression or anything by my waves of occasional moodiness that seemed to wash over me randomly vanished. I'm 53 now and the only prescriptions I was on were for high blood pressure and I'm off of those (hydrochlorothiazide and lisinopril). All stomach issues cleared up, there's no post meal discomfort or bloating now. I don't ever hear from my stomach. No gas. When I first went carnivore I would eat a 3 lb roast in one sitting and there was zero intestinal discomfort, which truly amazed me. You'd think that would lead to ungodly stomach stress - it did nothing of the sort. Do I know if it's good long term? No. But I'd rather live with normal BP, pain free, lean, and not gassing up the place for a single day than go back to old me.
I used to have no energy, chest pains, feel bloated all the time but now I feel great. Do I know what the long term effects of smoking crack are? No. But I'd rather risk them than go back to how I was before.
Glad to hear that you got off French fries, sugary sodas and sweets. I can understand why you lost 80 lbs. This is the exact point Simon was making: you lost weight and your health improved. Now you should look at what's the best diet for long-term health and longevity, rather than following a diet with zero evidence for long-term health. Atherosclerosis and cancer takes decades to develop. Once you have them, it's too late. Why take the risk? My New Year's Eve anecdote: I'm 100% plant based, but decided to eat some junk food on New Year's Eve. The junk food I ate was tortilla chips with salsa and Kettle potato chips. These are also 100% plants. I had the worse stomach cramps in a decade. I was doubled over in pain. Lesson: tortilla chips and salsa are not broccoli and beans. Glad you got off your junk food and lost weight.
@@jakubchrobry3701 I had been paleo since about 2000. just meat and veg. The A to Z study from Stanford already proved Atkins was the best diet, but the plant based leaders ignore it.
he explained why anecdotes are unreliable in his own story. his friend ate a healthy diet so he wonders if that's what killed him. his friend also exercised so by the same logic we could conclude that was the problem. yet he would never buy into THAT spin even though it´s just as valid (i.e. also has zero validity). deep down he understands the friend probably died IN SPITE of exercising and the anecdote proves nothing
Totally!! I think he fully understands there is no logical way to argue against this, he’s a smooth talking old school used car style sales man so he just goes deeper and “deeper”… in to the wilderness of generalised contradicting word salads, appealing to things that sound good to the majority
When Gil speaks, I listens! 😂This guy is definitely dishonest or at least intentionally dissonant. Extremely frustrating.
Shift button broken ?
Simon, glad you are breaking this interview into these short segments addressing specific fallacies of the guy spooked by plants.
These are very effective.
Anecdotes online is a big part of our problem. That and greedy bastards who intentionally put out this bullcrap in order to make money off confusion. Read Merchants of Doubt.
Fabricating doubt - That's what Simon is doing. Saying that low carb works in the short term, but long term who knows?
@@anungunrama7646Actually Simon is speaking the truth because short term is does help with weight loss and improve some numbers because of the removal of junk food.
There aren't large long term controlled studies on low carb yet so he can't say definitive that it's good or bad. That's not sowing doubt.
It may cause someone to question whether it's safe long term and well it should because the studies haven't been done.
Common sense and a look at humans physiology though will answer that long term low carb will cause health problems.
over 100 years of intense lobbying, propaganda, and lies
@@anungunrama7646 you have that completely backwards...
It's a shame Kiltz even has a platform since he obviously has either no understanding of nutritional science and methodology or does and is intentionally lying and evading the facts. Either way, if you listen to the entire debate he refutes his own ridiculous "arguments" and I am glad Simon could point out some of his errors publicly at least.
POV: you debate an emotional clown as an evidence based scholar
Former carnivore for 18 months. LDL 200. WFPB now 20 mg Atorvastatin LDL 41.
Lol, anecdotal evidence which is literally the lowest quality evidence in terms of reliability is his top quality evidence. Tells you all you need to know about the guy.
You are exactly right ✅️ 👏 👌
No its not but whatever makes you feel good....i like both guys but carnivore is king....Kiltzy knows
@JG-do6eb what ever ....just a question 🤔
If you got on a plane and the pilot announced he never sat for his license but has listened to hundreds of people that have flown...would you stay in your seat 💺 🤔🤡🤡🤡
@michaelhoile1369 you cant compare apples to bananas...you poor thing...bless your heart ❤
@@JG-do6eb happy that you can't comprehend how much your being scammed
I'm gonna be on the animals' side by eating plants.
How did Simon not just laugh in this clowns face....the just had to look away from Simon because he had nothing and knew he was about to me rect big time 🎉🎉
gundry is the best story teller
Best bullshit spreader
Yes and the guy has an entire PBS fundraiser show. Shame on PBS!
HE makes me sick with his slick ads and I know people that believe him. Like they say, repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth. I never saw so many ads as he produces.
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
He sounds like a crazed cult preacher. A sensible argument if you're carnivore (I'm not) would be that medical research is biased against lifestyle interventions as there is no money to be made out of it. Also the studies into keto often do not actually ensure ketosis in the intervention group (and often include simply low carb diets which wouldn't achieve ketosis). I think the long term cardiovascular risk is a good question that needs to be answered with long term studies. So pro keto people can currently say - its a good treatment diet for a number of chronic conditions, but we dont know the long term side effects yet and more research is needed.
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The carnivore diet can be considered an elimination diet, much like the FODMAP protocol, only much more extreme. The fascinating thing is that people are not only able to survive, but thrive on a carnivore diet. Why it hasn't been studied more is disappointing. How is it people are living well for decades on the diet I think is fascinating. I mean, it goes against everything I thought I knew about health and nutrition.
I have been this diet for 10 months now. Only regret is that I didn’t start earlier. Agree, long term studies are needed before concluding everything.
It was studied prior to the 1970s
bring bart kay on for a debate, he’s always up for it
Amber O'Hearn is the sole carnivore proponent that isn't off-putting, in my opinion - and she's the sharpest.
You mean Bart "not actually a professor" Kay? Cmon be series that serial troll is up there with Klitzy boy all the way and just totally full of himself 🤦♂️🤣.
@@888jucu Then it should be easy to crush him in a debate, yet they all seem scared of him.
If he’s a joke, bring him on and debate him, even if for a laugh.
@@888jucu You’ll never hear Simon, Carvallo or any of those types even mention the name Bart Kay, for a reason
@motherafrica1811 They've never heard of him and/or don't take him seriously.
I dropped all plant kingdom stuff from my diet in 2018. I lost 80 lbs. My blood pressure went from 170/? to 120/80 (I forget what the prior diastolic was - not good), chronic pain in my right shoulder disappeared. I never had clinical depression or anything by my waves of occasional moodiness that seemed to wash over me randomly vanished. I'm 53 now and the only prescriptions I was on were for high blood pressure and I'm off of those (hydrochlorothiazide and lisinopril). All stomach issues cleared up, there's no post meal discomfort or bloating now. I don't ever hear from my stomach. No gas. When I first went carnivore I would eat a 3 lb roast in one sitting and there was zero intestinal discomfort, which truly amazed me. You'd think that would lead to ungodly stomach stress - it did nothing of the sort. Do I know if it's good long term? No. But I'd rather live with normal BP, pain free, lean, and not gassing up the place for a single day than go back to old me.
I used to have no energy, chest pains, feel bloated all the time but now I feel great. Do I know what the long term effects of smoking crack are? No. But I'd rather risk them than go back to how I was before.
@@philhunt168 I hope your sarcasm serves you well.
@@philhunt168😁😁😁😁😁
Glad to hear that you got off French fries, sugary sodas and sweets. I can understand why you lost 80 lbs. This is the exact point Simon was making: you lost weight and your health improved. Now you should look at what's the best diet for long-term health and longevity, rather than following a diet with zero evidence for long-term health. Atherosclerosis and cancer takes decades to develop. Once you have them, it's too late. Why take the risk?
My New Year's Eve anecdote: I'm 100% plant based, but decided to eat some junk food on New Year's Eve. The junk food I ate was tortilla chips with salsa and Kettle potato chips. These are also 100% plants. I had the worse stomach cramps in a decade. I was doubled over in pain.
Lesson: tortilla chips and salsa are not broccoli and beans.
Glad you got off your junk food and lost weight.
@@jakubchrobry3701 I had been paleo since about 2000. just meat and veg. The A to Z study from Stanford already proved Atkins was the best diet, but the plant based leaders ignore it.