1st amp I ever had back in 06 or 07 idr. I just wish I knew more/had more experience. Didn't have it long enough and was too new to really experience it. Always wanted another from that era just to try it now that I'm at the level of playing that I am.
This amazing guy responds to every single comment. Love your videos and your music in general. Keep rockin man, you are an inspiration to us all. Marshall DSLs are sick
I bought the TSL122 right when they came out in ‘98, or ‘99. Thought it was a great amp (especially the crunch channel). Then the bias/heat problems started. As I had more amplifiers, I just sat it aside for several years. Finally had it fixed (new mother board) tubes. Cost around $600.00. Marshall did send me a new mother board free, even though it was long out of warranty. The board was the majority of the cost (around $400.00) Anyway…It’s my favorite amp now. Bias stays locked on, and no more heat problems. I do think the mother board problems gave the TSL’s a well deserved black eye, but they are great amps to dial in. Best thing is no pedals needed. Great demo, and fantastic playing.
I revisited this video a few times over the 2 year... and because of it, I just picked up a 2005 DSL 100. Not crazy about the power tubes it came with... 6CA7's, missing that traditional bark the EL34's have. A bit heavier on the bottom end also and a smoother or rounder top end. Almost reminds me of the 6L6. The TSL is also on my wish list, was my #1 choice between the two, but with all the board issues i've read about and the fact that Marshall no longer makes those replacement boards, i'm kinda worried about grabbing out. Thanks Euge for the great content and always the great playing!
So many opinions fly around online when comparing amps like this. Of the very few that have actually played through both, it's rarely based on more than a few minutes demoing in a noisy guitar store. This is different. Time to properly consider tone an and features with a proper AB comparison. To me, they both sound similar but awesome. The flexibility of the tsl wins. Good video. thanks
Through my headphones the TSL sound fizzier than the DSL but not by much to be honest. And the versatility of the TSL can't really be argued. I've always liked my DSL but I do wish I could eq the 2 channels separately. Good stuff.
Have you ever used the d.i. exit for silent recording? How does it work? Do you need to connect it to a cab still when the mute button is engaged? Thanks in advance!
This is my favorite UA-cam channel. This gentleman is amazing. I can to this video because I found a Marshall TSL full stack that was very tempting lol. The younger me was like 🤘🤘🤘🤘 my back was like 🧑🦼
Yeah last year I bought the Gold Series Marshall MG 100 HFX , I don’t know if you have heard about the Series or not or even played it. I’m learning how to play a electric guitar 🎸 I’m 56 I know I left it to late but I just want o have fun. I just love the sound of the electric guitar. Cheers woz
Hi, great comparison. I have the TSL 122 combo and the DSL 100 head with a marshall 2x12 with the same speakers array. The DSL sounds fuller through the 2x12 cabinet than TSL. The TSL combo lacks the low end that the 2x12 have. This is because the combo is open back and the cabinet is closed back. The DSL have more sag too and more in your face sound. But I really like and prefer the midrange and warmth of the TSL but I have to connect an eq in the loop to get a kicking low end. Both are great amps.
Very talent player! Great review. I really want a JCM 800 combo but I think I’ll go with a tsl 122 at half the price. Amazing tones you come up with. Cheers!
hey Euge , i was wondering what tubes you have in your tsl 100. I just recently got one and the output of the crunch channels just are missing the exrtra umph ,even after boosting with Sd-1 and Ts-9 i dont know what the hell to do. It has stock regular marshall el34s in them so im guessing that may be the problem. Just wondering whats your input?
Hey Brock, That might be the issue. I have Svetlana EL34s and JJECC83 preamp tubes. Sounds like the preamp tubes (at least the one that’s driving the Crunch channel) is done or then it just doesn’t have the punch that those JJ’s have.
@@EugeValovirta230V alright bud ill go shopping for tubes and give you an update. Thanks so much for the channel and the content and for being a Fin and representing the homeland. Bless you bro.
I've had a TSL602 since 2004 and it has been a solid reliable amplifier for me. The wolverine speakers aren't the greatest but when turned up past 8 on the master they come to life and sound good to me even though they got replaced with a Marshall Heritage and a Vintage speaker pair early on because I can't play that loud everywhere. On a side note, I recently installed a H Creamback with the Marshall Vintage and WOW it sounds nice and don't forget to crank the master volume.
I have the TSL602 too since 2006, I have just recently chenged the speakers in it, I put a Creamback and a V30 and with this set of speakers it really is awesome and on a whole different level...
Great comparison. Thanks so much. Is your Boss Super Overdrive some reissue, or mod, or something? Or is it the regular Super Overdrive you can still get? Thanks again.
Hi Euge! I too have a Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 100 watt back at home, and I was wondering if everything in you TSL 100 was all stock or if it has been modified? Greetings from America 🇺🇸
Hi Ralph! It’s stock except I had the speaker output jacks fixed since it had some grounding / hum issues which I guess some TSLs are known to have. Greetings from 🇨🇭.
Hi Euge. Your video title says, "...TSL vs. DSL..." but I noticed both are JCM 2000. What about the current DSL 100? Is there a difference between the old JCM 2000 DSL 100 and the regular DSL 100? thx.
Yeah these are the original made in UK from early 2000s. The current cheap DSLs are made in China or something but they’re pretty good also. I’ve done videos about the 100w, 20w & 1w models so check out my TUBE AMPS - playlist if you’re interested 😎🤟.
Euge, I'm contemplating getting a TSL 100 from seeing your vids. Will save me some £££ instead of going for a JVM. Do you use the effects loop of the TSL at all? I've some reports that they can go bad on them Thanks!
Help! Awesome demo. I keep coming back to watch this! I’m trying to get the jcm dsl100. I’ve heard that the overdrive channel is really fizzy. Does it sound fizzy in the room to you? Does the overdrive help get rid of it?
Thanks! Not that I recall (I borrowed the DSL from a friend to do the video). I always set the gain quite low no matter the amp and then just boost it with overdrive for more saturation. The cabinet & speakers / impulse response plays a big role in the sound too. More than a lot of people realize.
The SL-X is the best 900 IMO. It’s like a JCM800 but more gain on tap. On the other 900s (Dual Reverb etc.) part of the gain is made with a clipping diode like on the Silver Jubilee but the SL-X is full on preamp tube gain so it’s kinda like adding an extra preamp tube to JCM800 (which is a classic 800 mod). DSL & TSL are also 100% tube gain. But they’re all great if you use an OD in front of the amp like me. I just like the sound and feel of an OD (especially SD-1) in front of an already slightly overdriven amp.
DSL is for the common Marshall user, rock, pop, dad rock etc. Gary Holt actually uses the DSL boosted w/maxon sdpro9 for Slayer (no idea if the DSL is modded or what) Great amp, just not ‘beefy’ enough for me when I tried it out, admittedly it was the dsl 50watt version. When I jump on the TSL it just sounds fuller, more alive yet heavier and meaner, checks all the boxes off for me. The TSL is the amp I wish I knew how to use (eq and boost properly) back when I was touring.
The DSL is so much better because the green crunch channel on the DSL is bang on the classic Marshall tone. If you want an 800 but you can't afford one, this is as close as you're going to get on a budget. I don't even touch the red channel on mine. You can get any tone you want out of the green channel and a boost pedal.
I own both of these as well. I agree with everything you said. Also, the foot switch for TSL is great, adding effects loop and reverb besides switching channels. DSL foot switch is worthless.
Another great video and comparison. I think your videos and comments are very informative. I guess I would be in the minority here because I like the DSL a little better,. To me it sounds more open and more JCM800-ish while the TSL is more compressed. I have a 1984 JCM 4104 50w 2x12 combo that my tech recommended KT77's for with the bright cap removed. I was trying to get a Bluesbreaker-type vibe with this amp. I don't know if I achieved that, but it sounds really great and I can easily get Angus/Malcom tones from it with a little help from an OCD. If I drive it harder with a Tonebone Plexitube, I'm able to get fantastic higher gain tones. I was wondering why you chose KT77's over EL34's for the DSL.
Hey! Yeah I used one with Shining on one European tour around 2015-16 if I remember correct. It was good and did the job but I think the original UK made DSL / TSL ones are a bit better. I used those and JCM800 2203 a lot with Shining. But nothing beats a good ol’ 800 2203 😎💪
@@EugeValovirta230VMany thanks! I'm an old disabled guy and looking for one that will give that good ole on the verge of breakup, clean plexi but also that Zak Wylde 800 sound. I was hoping the dsl100hr would do that but being stuck at home 24/7 and unable to work, I can't afford to buy a plexi and an 800. I take it your recommendation from all the videos I've watched of yours is a British TSL then, since I can't afford an 800?
British DSL or TSL. They’re both great amps. I guess some TSLs has some design flaws (mine had a grounding problem on the speaker out jacks but a tech fixed that) but haven’t come across any with DSLs 👌.
My TSL doesn't sound anywhere close to yours. I have two cabs one with Vin '30s and the other cab 25-watt greenbacks. My guitars are a Dean Caddy with EMG pickups and Les Paul custom with Zakk Wylde EMGs' , still can't get a sound out of it I love.
Awesome comparison! I love your playing too. I have a TSL, now for almost 10 years. I've always wondered if I should get a DSL too based on people talking online but I've never noticed a big difference playing them in a store - but that's only worth so much (different guitar, speakers, room etc). I originally picked the TSL because I found the "red" channel to be great and very similar to the DSL, but it did two things the DSL didn't - 1 mid boost on the clean channel which is just amazing for jazz style stuff, and 2 the crunch channel can have separate eq and gain from lead but with the same core tone, so I run the gain really low on that channel and get a pretty decent plexi-style mid gain sound that could be rolled down with the guitar volume - I actually use the crunch channel almost like a dirty clean channel and it's just great for that. Swapping from the low gain crunch to the lead channel feels natural almost like kicking on a boost up front and it just flows together so nicely. Forgot to mention - I kept expecting you to play "Unchained" or "Lay It Down." I really feel with the right speakers and mic these can get very very close that that gritty palm mute sound usually associated with variac/modded plexis of the late 70s. My only complaint is I wish the mid-shift switches were mid boosts instead of cuts, I find those pretty useless for my style of playing.
the TSL totally shits on the DSL for me, totally unexpected. I have a TSL and always thought the DSL was supposed to be tighter but i suppose the grass isn't always greener!
Yeah that's kind of weird I heard that too I have both but I have to play through a modeling configuration otherwise I'd probably be in jail or definitely being hit with disturbing the peace that's the name of my band but do you think the judge wood give me a break? I doubt it I don't think he's a headbanger he's probably more of a gavel banger!
I honestly like both, but yes, the TSL has a little more meat in the tone and more versatile. I would use one or the other depending on what I was using it for and wanted for the situation. I would keep playing and trying different tubes as I do with my amps shaping the tone for each till I just can't get enough of a particular tonality.
Well the EL34 is the fastest "break up" tube in terms of power amp distortion. With kt77 you really need to crank the shit out of your amp to have it sound good. DSL was originally designed for el34 so you should try them biased for around 42-43 mv per tube. You will thank me later ;)
The safe operational range of the EL34 is between 10-40mA per tube. Using the current method of biasing, any current within this range that produces the tone you desire is the "correct" setting. This of course will differ from amp to amp and the type of tone you're after. Anything over 40mA per tube will turn your amp into a mud bog when you crank the volume, and will almost certainly shorten the life of your tubes. I personally like my bias running a little on the cold side (about 25mA per tube) on my '98 DSL100, this gives me plenty of headroom, so my time domain effects (delay, reverb) doesn't distort, and the tone doesn't turn into flubby mush at higher volume. And the original Genalex Gold Lion KT77 (and KT66/KT88) were a Tetrode tube designed to be used in Hi-Fi amps. To my ears, Tetrode tubes sound like dogshit in a Marshall... although the KT88 are killer in an Ampeg SVT. "The Trainwreck Pages" by my friend the late great Ken Fischer of Trainwreck Amplifiers describes how to adjust bias using the current method. Regards 🎸
Thanks for the detailed info Scott 👌. I don’t have any idea how my amps are biased etc. My tech does this kinda work and if it sounds good it’s good and that’s all I care 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V The great thing about using the current method is that you can play through your amp and your tech can adjust it on the fly to the tone you like. You can Google "The Trainwreck Pages" and that will explain it in much better detail. Good luck! 🎸
ECC83s wont give much of a difference but the kt77 will definitely have a difference... if the tsl had kt77s too, id sound even better (my guess though since kt77 tend to open up the sound, giving a better growl, just like it happens with a diezel vh4 i guess).. But great job on the comparison anyway 🤟🤘
Which do you prefer? I’m hoping next week I’ll have my hands on a ‘76 JMP 2204. Not sure if ill need to mod it. Would like to make a switchable SIR 34 mod in it. Just found out some of those early JMP 2204’s were not cascaded gain? Won’t be able to try out the one I’m getting ahead of time. I have a jcm 2000 dsl100 head, considering trading that for a tsl100 212 combo so I can get out of the garage and in to the house sometimes when I do play.
They’re both great and I used them live with Shining back in the day many times. TSL is a bit more versatile and the clean channel on that is just fantastic 👌.
@@astro2069 To my experience they're very similar but TSL have 3 channels and DSL two. I guess DSL is a bit more reliable 'cos some TSLs are known to have some design / construction flaws. Mine had a grounding issue on the speaker outs but a tech fixed that and I haven'd had any problems with the amp since.
i think the DSL is better for reproducing classic 80s hardrock Van Halen 1/ACDC type tone while the TSL would be better for 90s metal/thrash metal type tone. DSL sounds sharp and shiny while TSL is heavy and means buisness
Finally good comparison between these amps .
Thanks!
The 2000 DSL is an underrated classic
1st amp I ever had back in 06 or 07 idr. I just wish I knew more/had more experience. Didn't have it long enough and was too new to really experience it. Always wanted another from that era just to try it now that I'm at the level of playing that I am.
I have similar feelings to you - TSL fuller and more versatile without sacrificing anything to DSL. Thank you for great and in depth presentation ;-)
Great review of both. I like them both. They each have their own tone. Everyone needs more than one Marshall!
Thanks man!
I agree 👌😎.
This amazing guy responds to every single comment. Love your videos and your music in general. Keep rockin man, you are an inspiration to us all.
Marshall DSLs are sick
Thanks! Glad to hear! 🙏🤟
I bought the TSL122 right when they came out in ‘98, or ‘99. Thought it was a great amp (especially the crunch channel). Then the bias/heat problems started. As I had more amplifiers, I just sat it aside for several years. Finally had it fixed (new mother board) tubes. Cost around $600.00. Marshall did send me a new mother board free, even though it was long out of warranty. The board was the majority of the cost (around $400.00) Anyway…It’s my favorite amp now. Bias stays locked on, and no more heat problems. I do think the mother board problems gave the TSL’s a well deserved black eye, but they are great amps to dial in. Best thing is no pedals needed. Great demo, and fantastic playing.
👌💪. Thanks!
I revisited this video a few times over the 2 year... and because of it, I just picked up a 2005 DSL 100. Not crazy about the power tubes it came with... 6CA7's, missing that traditional bark the EL34's have. A bit heavier on the bottom end also and a smoother or rounder top end. Almost reminds me of the 6L6. The TSL is also on my wish list, was my #1 choice between the two, but with all the board issues i've read about and the fact that Marshall no longer makes those replacement boards, i'm kinda worried about grabbing out.
Thanks Euge for the great content and always the great playing!
Great man! Just got a TSL yesterday in a trade. Went for it after watching your video's :) It sounds like a beast on the 'crunch' channel
Glad to hear! It does indeed 💪👌.
Great comparison! They both sound good. The TSL sounds brutal through my studio monitors. Those amps must sound great in the room.
Thanks! They do indeed 👌
Bro how u Connect your Marshall amo to ur audio interface?
@@felipehoferdenecken9332 Hes using a Suhr Reactive Load. And probably DI'ing from that.
Excellent comparison video! Thanks! AND fabulous playing
Thanks!
Love this dude’s voice.
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Thanks from Richmond, Indiana USA!!! I agree and keep Jamming!!!!
Cheers man! I will 🎼🎸😎
Thank you very much!! Very informative and helpful. And you can really shred. I appreciate your opinions and views. ❤
Thanks Troy!
So many opinions fly around online when comparing amps like this. Of the very few that have actually played through both, it's rarely based on more than a few minutes demoing in a noisy guitar store. This is different. Time to properly consider tone an and features with a proper AB comparison.
To me, they both sound similar but awesome. The flexibility of the tsl wins.
Good video. thanks
Thanks!
Yes but the JVM is like three times the price of the DSL so that's also something to consider.
Just bought a TSL thanks to your video, its as brutal as youve shown it to be, but when do I develop the manly accent?
Cool! No idea 😁👍
Great VIDEOS (I mean ALL your videos) MAN!Great demo compositions for amps!Thanks!
Thanks man!
That particular TSL does sound better than that particular DSL. Love your vids Dude!
Thanks!
You're comparison is absolutely the best sounding comparison online. Everyone else sucked!
Oh thanks! Glad to hear!
Through my headphones the TSL sound fizzier than the DSL but not by much to be honest. And the versatility of the TSL can't really be argued. I've always liked my DSL but I do wish I could eq the 2 channels separately. Good stuff.
Both are great amps but the TSL is a bit more versatile indeed. Yeah!
Nice touch of Zakk in there!
Yeah! Thanks! 😎
I like how you save your opinion for last. Let people hear the amps first.
Glad to hear! Exactly 👌.
Awesome video! Thanks!
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
Have you ever used the d.i. exit for silent recording? How does it work? Do you need to connect it to a cab still when the mute button is engaged? Thanks in advance!
No. Sounds like s@#*t like they always do 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V ahahah got it!
I love these amps soo much!
Me too!
Euge could it be possible to do a comparison with a JCM 900?
Thanks for all comparisons, really enjoy all of them.
Thanks
If I get my hands on one then for sure! 😊. Glad to hear! Thanks 🙏
This is my favorite UA-cam channel. This gentleman is amazing. I can to this video because I found a Marshall TSL full stack that was very tempting lol. The younger me was like 🤘🤘🤘🤘 my back was like 🧑🦼
Glad to hear man! Thanks!
lots of good sounds coming out of the TSL!!
Indeed!
Finally someone doing comparison videos with the TSL than I wanna see and hear
Glad to hear that man! 👌😎
Yeah last year I bought the Gold Series Marshall MG 100 HFX , I don’t know if you have heard about the Series or not or even played it. I’m learning how to play a electric guitar 🎸 I’m 56 I know I left it to late but I just want o have fun. I just love the sound of the electric guitar. Cheers woz
Cool! I know the series but never played with them but they should do the job 👌😎.
Hi, great comparison. I have the TSL 122 combo and the DSL 100 head with a marshall 2x12 with the same speakers array. The DSL sounds fuller through the 2x12 cabinet than TSL. The TSL combo lacks the low end that the 2x12 have. This is because the combo is open back and the cabinet is closed back. The DSL have more sag too and more in your face sound. But I really like and prefer the midrange and warmth of the TSL but I have to connect an eq in the loop to get a kicking low end. Both are great amps.
Thanks!
They are indeed 👌🤟.
Very talent player! Great review. I really want a JCM 800 combo but I think I’ll go with a tsl 122 at half the price. Amazing tones you come up with. Cheers!
Thanks Mark! Good choise. TSL series amps are really good IMO. For some reason they’re quite underrated but I’ve never understood why 👌😎.
miss my tsl 100 compared it once side by side with a mesa dual rectifier worth 3 times as much and it sounded just as good i reckon rock on man cheers
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TSL100 needs rev. 20 main PCBA to be the beast it is. SLP, Silver Jubilee, Lead 100, DSL 50, DSL 40C. Silver Jubilee Studio … love ‘‘em all.
hey Euge , i was wondering what tubes you have in your tsl 100. I just recently got one and the output of the crunch channels just are missing the exrtra umph ,even after boosting with Sd-1 and Ts-9 i dont know what the hell to do. It has stock regular marshall el34s in them so im guessing that may be the problem. Just wondering whats your input?
Hey Brock,
That might be the issue. I have Svetlana EL34s and JJECC83 preamp tubes. Sounds like the preamp tubes (at least the one that’s driving the Crunch channel) is done or then it just doesn’t have the punch that those JJ’s have.
@@EugeValovirta230V alright bud ill go shopping for tubes and give you an update. Thanks so much for the channel and the content and for being a Fin and representing the homeland. Bless you bro.
Cool! Thanks! 🙏🤘
This guy should be in the Dos Equis commercials!
Love your videos, playing, and energy dude!
Thanks man! Glad to hear!
I played both and I prefer DSL which is less fuzzier and more hot in sound, I finally bought one! 🤘
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I've had a TSL602 since 2004 and it has been a solid reliable amplifier for me. The wolverine speakers aren't the greatest but when turned up past 8 on the master they come to life and sound good to me even though they got replaced with a Marshall Heritage and a Vintage speaker pair early on because I can't play that loud everywhere. On a side note, I recently installed a H Creamback with the Marshall Vintage and WOW it sounds nice and don't forget to crank the master volume.
Oh yeah TSLs are great amps & very versatile. Especially the clean channel on the TSL100 is absolutely fantastic 👌.
I have the TSL602 too since 2006, I have just recently chenged the speakers in it, I put a Creamback and a V30 and with this set of speakers it really is awesome and on a whole different level...
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Great playing. I used to have a 100 watt tsl head. I miss it.
Thanks! Yeah it’s a great & very versatile amp 👌.
I love both tsl and dsl~!!!
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Curious to hear the difference between a TSL-100 and a Fryette Deliverance.
Would be interesting indeed 👌.
I just bought a TSL 60, I hope it's good and sounds awesome. 😄
Hope you enjoy it!
Great comparison. Thanks so much. Is your Boss Super Overdrive some reissue, or mod, or something? Or is it the regular Super Overdrive you can still get? Thanks again.
Thanks! Just a regular one.
I may be biased for having a tsl60 but the throatiness of the distortion on the tsl versus the roar of the dsl is better to my ears.
Hi Euge! I too have a Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 100 watt back at home, and I was wondering if everything in you TSL 100 was all stock or if it has been modified? Greetings from America 🇺🇸
Hi Ralph!
It’s stock except I had the speaker output jacks fixed since it had some grounding / hum issues which I guess some TSLs are known to have. Greetings from 🇨🇭.
Amorphis shirt? Classic Finnish band. Great tone demo, both sound great. DSL sounds more classic and familiar, TSL seems more modern.
Indeed! Good friends of mine 👌😎. Thanks!
Hi Euge. Your video title says, "...TSL vs. DSL..." but I noticed both are JCM 2000. What about the current DSL 100? Is there a difference between the old JCM 2000 DSL 100 and the regular DSL 100? thx.
Yeah these are the original made in UK from early 2000s. The current cheap DSLs are made in China or something but they’re pretty good also. I’ve done videos about the 100w, 20w & 1w models so check out my TUBE AMPS - playlist if you’re interested 😎🤟.
I have the 100 watt 2000 head love it !
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Thanks!
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Euge, I'm contemplating getting a TSL 100 from seeing your vids. Will save me some £££ instead of going for a JVM.
Do you use the effects loop of the TSL at all? I've some reports that they can go bad on them
Thanks!
Sometimes I have a delay in there and it works just fine. I’ve never had any problems 👌.
Help! Awesome demo. I keep coming back to watch this! I’m trying to get the jcm dsl100. I’ve heard that the overdrive channel is really fizzy. Does it sound fizzy in the room to you? Does the overdrive help get rid of it?
Thanks!
Not that I recall (I borrowed the DSL from a friend to do the video). I always set the gain quite low no matter the amp and then just boost it with overdrive for more saturation.
The cabinet & speakers / impulse response plays a big role in the sound too. More than a lot of people realize.
@@EugeValovirta230V ok thanks. I’m stuck between that and the jcm 900 100w version
The SL-X is the best 900 IMO. It’s like a JCM800 but more gain on tap. On the other 900s (Dual Reverb etc.) part of the gain is made with a clipping diode like on the Silver Jubilee but the SL-X is full on preamp tube gain so it’s kinda like adding an extra preamp tube to JCM800 (which is a classic 800 mod).
DSL & TSL are also 100% tube gain.
But they’re all great if you use an OD in front of the amp like me. I just like the sound and feel of an OD (especially SD-1) in front of an already slightly overdriven amp.
@@EugeValovirta230V yeah me too. Thanks for the help!
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DSL is for the common Marshall user, rock, pop, dad rock etc. Gary Holt actually uses the DSL boosted w/maxon sdpro9 for Slayer (no idea if the DSL is modded or what) Great amp, just not ‘beefy’ enough for me when I tried it out, admittedly it was the dsl 50watt version. When I jump on the TSL it just sounds fuller, more alive yet heavier and meaner, checks all the boxes off for me. The TSL is the amp I wish I knew how to use (eq and boost properly) back when I was touring.
Indeed 🤘👍
I never understood the hate tsl amps are getting. They sound massive!
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Id like to see your take on the dsl100h and dsl100hr heads.
If I ever get my hands on those then for sure!
The DSL is so much better because the green crunch channel on the DSL is bang on the classic Marshall tone. If you want an 800 but you can't afford one, this is as close as you're going to get on a budget.
I don't even touch the red channel on mine. You can get any tone you want out of the green channel and a boost pedal.
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I own both of these as well.
I agree with everything you said.
Also, the foot switch for TSL is great, adding effects loop and reverb besides switching channels. DSL foot switch is worthless.
Cool, thanks!
Another great video and comparison. I think your videos and comments are very informative. I guess I would be in the minority here because I like the DSL a little better,. To me it sounds more open and more JCM800-ish while the TSL is more compressed. I have a 1984 JCM 4104 50w 2x12 combo that my tech recommended KT77's for with the bright cap removed. I was trying to get a Bluesbreaker-type vibe with this amp. I don't know if I achieved that, but it sounds really great and I can easily get Angus/Malcom tones from it with a little help from an OCD. If I drive it harder with a Tonebone Plexitube, I'm able to get fantastic higher gain tones. I was wondering why you chose KT77's over EL34's for the DSL.
Thanks Mark!
Sounds cool! 💪👍
how do you compare great marshall amps with a Les Paul... you should've hooked up the Gibson SG Standard brotha and blew the roof off. Lol cheers
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Great dude, thanks :)
Hey Euge! Have you played with the newer DSL100HR? I'm curious how it compares to the 800's and the TSL and what your thoughts on it are....
Hey!
Yeah I used one with Shining on one European tour around 2015-16 if I remember correct. It was good and did the job but I think the original UK made DSL / TSL ones are a bit better. I used those and JCM800 2203 a lot with Shining.
But nothing beats a good ol’ 800 2203 😎💪
@@EugeValovirta230VMany thanks! I'm an old disabled guy and looking for one that will give that good ole on the verge of breakup, clean plexi but also that Zak Wylde 800 sound. I was hoping the dsl100hr would do that but being stuck at home 24/7 and unable to work, I can't afford to buy a plexi and an 800.
I take it your recommendation from all the videos I've watched of yours is a British TSL then, since I can't afford an 800?
British DSL or TSL. They’re both great amps. I guess some TSLs has some design flaws (mine had a grounding problem on the speaker out jacks but a tech fixed that) but haven’t come across any with DSLs 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V Thank you so much again. I really appreciate your time and input!
You’re welcome! Glad to hear that I was helpful 👌🙏.
Great demo and playing like it should be
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Yea ,when you eq'd tsl bit at the end , both pretty close. but til has my vote
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I have two TSL60s and I love them. I'd like to get a DSL50 too someday.
Great! 👌
My TSL doesn't sound anywhere close to yours.
I have two cabs one with Vin '30s and the other cab 25-watt greenbacks. My guitars are a Dean Caddy with EMG pickups and Les Paul custom with Zakk Wylde EMGs' , still can't get a sound out of it I love.
In front like you always do with ODs. Put one in the loop and you understand why: it sounds like shit 😁: ua-cam.com/video/xqLJCQymxlY/v-deo.html
Cool my friend!!!!
Yeah!
Awesome comparison! I love your playing too. I have a TSL, now for almost 10 years. I've always wondered if I should get a DSL too based on people talking online but I've never noticed a big difference playing them in a store - but that's only worth so much (different guitar, speakers, room etc).
I originally picked the TSL because I found the "red" channel to be great and very similar to the DSL, but it did two things the DSL didn't - 1 mid boost on the clean channel which is just amazing for jazz style stuff, and 2 the crunch channel can have separate eq and gain from lead but with the same core tone, so I run the gain really low on that channel and get a pretty decent plexi-style mid gain sound that could be rolled down with the guitar volume - I actually use the crunch channel almost like a dirty clean channel and it's just great for that. Swapping from the low gain crunch to the lead channel feels natural almost like kicking on a boost up front and it just flows together so nicely.
Forgot to mention - I kept expecting you to play "Unchained" or "Lay It Down." I really feel with the right speakers and mic these can get very very close that that gritty palm mute sound usually associated with variac/modded plexis of the late 70s.
My only complaint is I wish the mid-shift switches were mid boosts instead of cuts, I find those pretty useless for my style of playing.
Thanks Bret! 👍👌
I gigged a TSL for years, I ended up selling it as the footswitch kept on failing, otherwise a fantastic amp!
It is indeed!
the TSL totally shits on the DSL for me, totally unexpected. I have a TSL and always thought the DSL was supposed to be tighter but i suppose the grass isn't always greener!
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Yeah that's kind of weird I heard that too I have both but I have to play through a modeling configuration otherwise I'd probably be in jail or definitely being hit with disturbing the peace that's the name of my band but do you think the judge wood give me a break? I doubt it I don't think he's a headbanger he's probably more of a gavel banger!
I honestly like both, but yes, the TSL has a little more meat in the tone and more versatile. I would use one or the other depending on what I was using it for and wanted for the situation. I would keep playing and trying different tubes as I do with my amps shaping the tone for each till I just can't get enough of a particular tonality.
Word 👌
I’ve owned both and prefer the TSL
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He was afraid of being "overdriven" by your overdrive again ;)
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Well the EL34 is the fastest "break up" tube in terms of power amp distortion. With kt77 you really need to crank the shit out of your amp to have it sound good. DSL was originally designed for el34 so you should try them biased for around 42-43 mv per tube. You will thank me later ;)
Thanks but the DSL isn’t mine but just borrowed it to make a few videos 👌😊.
The safe operational range of the EL34 is between 10-40mA per tube. Using the current method of biasing, any current within this range that produces the tone you desire is the "correct" setting. This of course will differ from amp to amp and the type of tone you're after. Anything over 40mA per tube will turn your amp into a mud bog when you crank the volume, and will almost certainly shorten the life of your tubes. I personally like my bias running a little on the cold side (about 25mA per tube) on my '98 DSL100, this gives me plenty of headroom, so my time domain effects (delay, reverb) doesn't distort, and the tone doesn't turn into flubby mush at higher volume. And the original Genalex Gold Lion KT77 (and KT66/KT88) were a Tetrode tube designed to be used in Hi-Fi amps. To my ears, Tetrode tubes sound like dogshit in a Marshall... although the KT88 are killer in an Ampeg SVT. "The Trainwreck Pages" by my friend the late great Ken Fischer of Trainwreck Amplifiers describes how to adjust bias using the current method.
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Thanks for the detailed info Scott 👌.
I don’t have any idea how my amps are biased etc. My tech does this kinda work and if it sounds good it’s good and that’s all I care 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V The great thing about using the current method is that you can play through your amp and your tech can adjust it on the fly to the tone you like. You can Google "The Trainwreck Pages" and that will explain it in much better detail. Good luck! 🎸
@@scottdunn2178 the jcm2000s recommended bias setting is 45mA per tube. much too high imo, i have mine at 75 a pair too.
I just love my TSL... don!t really get why the so much hate against it online in the guitar community..
Me too. Yeah I’ve tried to understand why some people doesn’t like it but haven’t figured it out 😎.
the marshall tsl is the face from the angry
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Where is Pepita? It is not the good moment to go and meet other owls!
He didn’t find this interesting enough 😎
How do you solve to use 2 amps with 1 cab?
Radial Headbone VT. More info in the description 👌
@@EugeValovirta230V Thanks.
ECC83s wont give much of a difference but the kt77 will definitely have a difference... if the tsl had kt77s too, id sound even better (my guess though since kt77 tend to open up the sound, giving a better growl, just like it happens with a diezel vh4 i guess).. But great job on the comparison anyway 🤟🤘
Indeed. Thanks!
It seems to me the DSL has a easier attack & the TSL has more precision.👍🤘
TSL RULES
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Which do you prefer? I’m hoping next week I’ll have my hands on a ‘76 JMP 2204. Not sure if ill need to mod it. Would like to make a switchable SIR 34 mod in it. Just found out some of those early JMP 2204’s were not cascaded gain? Won’t be able to try out the one I’m getting ahead of time. I have a jcm 2000 dsl100 head, considering trading that for a tsl100 212 combo so I can get out of the garage and in to the house sometimes when I do play.
They’re both great and I used them live with Shining back in the day many times. TSL is a bit more versatile and the clean channel on that is just fantastic 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V would you say the tsl gets closer to a jcm 800 2203 than the dsl?
@@astro2069 To my experience they're very similar but TSL have 3 channels and DSL two. I guess DSL is a bit more reliable 'cos some TSLs are known to have some design / construction flaws. Mine had a grounding issue on the speaker outs but a tech fixed that and I haven'd had any problems with the amp since.
i think the DSL is better for reproducing classic 80s hardrock Van Halen 1/ACDC type tone while the TSL would be better for 90s metal/thrash metal type tone. DSL sounds sharp and shiny while TSL is heavy and means buisness
Always TSL
TSL is the Boss.
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TSL all the way, great video!