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Top 5 Strongest Star Rail Characters.. In Lore | Honkai Star Rail Lore
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- There are a total of 51 playable characters in Honkai Star Rail and each of them are unique in their own right. However some are arguably stronger than others and theres plenty of tier list that explains who strong each character is. That said there are 5 that stand out above the rest, 5 characters that are so strong among the 5 star roster then few could hope to challenged them.
So in this video we are going to discuss the top 5 strongest star rail characters in terms of the lore.
Some part of this video comes from the actual lore while others may be speculation on my part as we currently do not know the full story. As such take it with a grain of salt as the point of this video is just a deeper dive into Honkai Star Rail lore.
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It has been stated that Lordly Trashcan is the apex of power in the honkaiverse, he can even destroy the imaginary tree and sea of quanta with one kick.
too much effort, looking at it is enough
I can confirm it is the strongest character in all of honkai verse
So he's an Outer God then? Neat!
Nah, his mere existence near them is enough
I didnt include them as their inclusion would tip the scales too much. Emanators, pathstriders even aeons would all mesh into one group should that otherwordly trashcan be included 😂
Correction, acheron slash twice she said on the story, just the second is faster than the 1st slash.
Didn’t make the same mistake as Ei, I see
Yes youre right, kinda slipped my mind 😁
Correction again, she slashed twice, 1 for Aventurine and another for the entire astral express crew, that's what sent them to Dreamcoral reef.
I'd like to bring attention to Argenti. Not only did we see him succesfully save the whole Astral Express and escape from a giant sting, but he also navigated through IX and saved Aventurine. Aventurine only survived because he had the power of an emanator from the preservation, as far as were aware Argenti had nothing. We don't know much more about how poerful he is but these two feats are very impressive in my opinion.
the worm emanator is obviously the strongest
so strong even its tiny body couldn’t handle the power…
Unironically, yes lmao. Emanators are stated to receive only a portion of their path's power. But in the worm's entry it's specifically stated that Aha gave the entirety of the elation path's power to the worm, meaning it should have been the most powerful emanator in the universe, maybe even comparable to the Aeons. I pray for the eventual return of our worm overlord.
@@erihtea0719 that's wrong. the worm emanator was able to survive when it had it's power,it died when aha decided to take it's power aways. for fun. it then died from the void created from the powers being taken away. please stop spreading misinformation 😭
@@Epicalcaik also there's no confirmation that it was given the entirety of the path of elation. at that point how was aha able to control the elation and take back it's path? why would the worm not become an aeon at that point? why is there so much misinformation 💀
@lies_v1 Bro, open up hsr right now and head to Herta's office. Interact with the index next to Herta then press "Aeons" -> "Aha" and then read the first entry. Halfway through it says these exact words: "For this pointless experiment, the Elation gave the entirety of THEIR Path's power to a worm that doesn't even have a fully developed brain, and then just discarded the creature once it had outlived its purpose."
Also, Aeons have full control over their paths power and where it goes, and it only says that Aha gave the path's power to the worm not that it gave control over the path aka the Aeon status.
why is there so much illiteracy 💀
I can see why DHIL isn't here, the greatest potential man of the future and since Aventurine was using a cracked cornerstone that was just a fraction of 10% of an emanator and with how power tends to work as how 20% isnt just two times stronger than 10, don't sleep on Diamond just yet
I have this weird feeling that most of the 10 stonehearts will end up losing or using up their cornerstone and then when all that power goes back to diamond we'll get to see how broken he really is, kinda looking forward to that tbh
@@Maevix3142 maybe it's more like a sacrificial thing like to summon Diamond they all or at least five gotta sacrifice their stone hearts since we just got the trailer that shows they can be repaired
But DHIL overscales blade in terms of power by a long shot, and with the fight of Aventurine he didn’t fight alone and he didn’t use his true form. And the times he did he was just as good as jing yuan or even better, and he even carried the fight against phantiliya
tbh, the whole “going off lore.” Thing feels like BS, since DHIL as stated BY Jingliu is to be her equal, and that was when Deng feng was alive, and forcing Dan Heng to join her in the Quintet reunion, and since as lore would say, is literally the body and destruction essence of the high elder (with Bailu being the clone/experiment of Baiheng, containing the healing essence of the high elder.) he is literally just Deng Feng.
So Jing yuan being here and Deng feng or DHIL not is Bs (its was even stated by Jing yuan, and other in-world sources, that at their prime, Jing yuan was the weakest out of all of them, besides like Baiheng, and was only better than them in Witt, which is why he’s erudition.)
I feel like this list is weird man.
Only when "cracked" the cornerstone can emit its full power potential. Non-cracked version only gives buffs not a full scale power, example is jade's cornerstone that can read people's deepest desire if they're near the stone
I’m surprised Firefly wasn’t mentioned at all considering all her confirmed feats from her trailer like how she blew up the remains of her dead planet along with the Swarm.
Iirc that requires a few hundred exatons of TNT.
Same
I suspect the planet was Already going to blow up. If the Iron Cavalry could blow up planets, they would have had no problem with the swarm.
@@johnhurley8918The purpose of Iron Cavalry was to protect Glamoth, so why would they blow up the planet... Although I agree I think that planet was boutta blow up anyways(The dead mechas probably added firepower to the explosion too...) lol
@@johnhurley8918 but it was when she basically unlocked that her thematic firefly ult, so there's that. I like to think of it like SAMs being built in special way that its possible for operators to release this green stuff which taps power from their life energy probably, but it was just experimental, theoretical, all that and no one ever did it until Firefly did
@@johnhurley8918doesn’t that contradict your statement?
“If they could blow up planets, they would have no problem with the swarm.”
Glamoth might’ve or could’ve not been a galactic super society, depending on how much of the history manipulated by the Enigmata can be taken as fact.
There is a high chance that the Iron Calvary did have the ability to blow up planets, but didn’t use it due to 1. Wanting to keep Glamoth intact, or 2. Knowing it would cause too much destruction, but I personally doubt it:
The imaginary implosion cannon was such a dangerous and new thing in the world, that Chadwick literally tried to take the info with him to the grave.
If planet busting was such a big thing back then, why did it take over 200 years for someone to make a cannon that could do that in the dozens?
Also, if they did, why then would the Glamoth empire be struggling this much with the swarm? They wouldn’t have had such a hard time quelling the swarm, since they would have a method of eradicating them all in one fell swoop.
One of the things about the swarm disaster, was how bad the swarm really was: as long as one bug was alive, or they all didn’t get killed altogether, they would just keep multiplying, which was the problem the empire and the rest of the universe was having.
In the firefly trailer, it literally shows us Glamoth losing, and the reminants of the war: nothing was left besides bare earth, and what we saw from the other celestia trailer was gone.
All that was left was the iron calvery, and their losing battle, which presumably, implies that the empire had been long gone, with only the brainwashing being the thing keeping the iron calvary going :/
What firefly had was not normal, and if it was, then the empire wouldn’t have collapsed, and would still be alive to this day.
The power she got that allowed her to kill the planet was definitely some on par with a emenator, and since her suit got destroyed and it allowed her to reconstruct it, and the power allowed her to survive in the vacuum of space, makes me believe it has something to do with Yaoshi, and the abundance.
Firefly definitely is top tier, but it’s a bit harder to tell tbh.
Welt glazers and Hi3rd players on their way to yap about Welt's 4D feats against Hi3rd Himeko's dad and Star of Eden possessing Supergravity which would put Welt at 11D attack potency (they do not give a reason as to why Welt couldn't have just erased the Abundance Deer with their line of scaling)
I feel because of plot armor but also because (I saw watched a tierlist vid that pointed this out) we don't know how much of that herrscher power still resides in him, plus he dosen't seem that active nowadays. I mean, his only display of "power" so far has been when he neutralized the stellaron in the MC, and when he threatened Acheron during the second act of Penacony
Nah, as hi3 player, Welt is not that strong, even in his prime he lost most of time, what made Welt famous in hi3 is that he doesn't simply lost the fight, he always lost in a strategic way like being able to stall, seal or doing fatal blow to enemy so while Welt don't win but his lost is not meaningless. Secondly, his power that he currently using in hsr come from Authority of Reason/True(Welt can only use fraction of it now) which is a knowledge-based power(the peak of this power happen when the user can even understand the natural law of other authority then it replicate other authority power) so in term of pure strength Welt is weak. But depending on how Welt is adapting to hsr power system and natural law, he still have room for growth, we do forget that Welt come from a different universe with different natural law and power system. Imagine if Welt study weapon made by genius society then he replicate those weapon in a condense form to use, that is Welt power potential in hsr
The main reason Welt couldn't one-shot the Abundance Deer is that it isn't weak to Imaginary. 😉
He has all of the power back when he come to HSR@@romeoiiihidalgo9516
@@jakeail1995 In game statements, hi3rd manga and other various sources in the game actually DO use the dimensional scaling I mentioned and are relatively explicit about it. Sadly it doesn't explain how Welt was saying that Sirin, who as far as we knew, could only surface wipe a planet - and not in one attack either, was too strong for him to handle despite the previously mentioned 4D and even 11D statements for Welt. So I lean more toward Hi3rd not being as strong as many people make it out to be.
TLDR: Hi3rd scaling is inconsistent and it goes from barely planetary to whatever crazy wank ass shit that the higher end interpretations give. Blame mistranslations from cn to en I suppose.
I'm gonna be honest, the fact that Welt himself threatened Acheron, and that Acheron said herself "Do you think a sword is stronger than a black hole you're weilding?" like come on, he's gotta deserve a spot on the list.
Welt isn't even in the top 10 strongest in Honkai Impact 3. HSR is a universe with even stronger people. Also Welt had to retreat from the Ebon Deer, got memories removed by npc memokeeper on the train and got easily captured by Sunday. How is he realtive to Jing Yuan who has been compared to emanators? That minor line you menitoned is meaningless because Welt didn't know how strong Acheron is and she herself is very humble, she even called her power meager.
@@Rodiacreed Damn. 🥲
@@hori-exe. Lol but at least you took it like a champ
I know this is on playable characters, but Shuhu (Abundance Emanator) actually wrecks the entire High-Cloud Quintet. He’s like Blade but 1000x stronger than him. (There’s a reason why Blade’s talent is called Shuhu's Gift).
Blade is definitely the weakest out of the entirety of the Quintet. Yes, he does have immortality, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he is the strongest in terms of strength, it just means he can endure the longest. We already know Jingliu wrecks Blade, and the Animated Short tells us that Jing Yuan beats Jingliu. As for why Jing Yuan struggled with Phantylia, you gotta remember that she was hopped up on Abundance power too. During the battle, she had powers of Destruction and Abundance aiding her. As for Jingliu and Dan Feng, they were roughly evenly matched but Jingliu prevailed (just barely) in a sword vs. spear match in her character story. However, it is unlikely DF used his Imbibitor Lunae powers against her during the competition since it would be unfair (water bending in a sword match would be one-sided), so it’s safe to assume that even though DF may not be stronger than Jingliu when it comes to weapon combat, DF wins if ALL his powers were used. As for Blade and Dan Heng, it’s hard to truly say whether Blade is stronger because DH was caught off guard when Yanqing arrived. If you read about their lore, DH would often encounter Blade and would have to resort to killing him to buy enough time to escape. They are stuck at an eternal stalemate. “He [DH] can neither lose to this man [Blade], nor truly win”(refer to the Nowhere to Run LC description). We know that DHIL prevails over Blade in terms of power. Also, according to Blade’s character story, this is what he said about DH's combat abilities: “his reaction was slightly less mature than he remembered”. This basically confirmed DH is a bit inferior to Dan Feng in combat, so Blade legitimately lost to an already nerfed version of Dan Feng. While Blade has his whole immortality thing, we can’t fully use this as a defense to call him stronger than people like Jing Yuan and Dan Heng because otherwise, he’d be at the top of the list.
You also brought up the semi-draconic abomination Jingliu slew, but remember, DF was also probably in severe shock from the monstrosity created from his and Yingxing’s experiment. He wasn’t in the position to fight, and Yingxing’s sword fighting skills weren’t nearly as good as they are now. He didn’t undergo extreme training with Jingliu until some time after the incident.
to survive from an aeon power is crazy like Acheron who survived from 9 nihility and even become emanator💀
Its also said she killed one of the lord ravagers very easily. (lord ravager = emonator of destruction like phantiylia)
The question is now whether Acheron is one of the stronger emanators or just a taste of what they can do because she clearly is so far above the rest at the moment
@@kyanszabo9077 Duke Inferno isn't a Lord Ravager what are you talking about? He is from the Annihilation Gang a different group.
@@kyanszabo9077 If you're thinking duke(daddy) inferno ,he's not a lord ravager.
I mean IX wasn't even trying(pun intended)...but I'm almost sure everything thing that comes within a certain distance of ix will degrade the way Acheron is.
I would make the argument that Firefly deserves a spot on this list, considering she recruited Blade by force
yeah, by defeating blade she’s already stronger than him by default imo
And destroyed an entire planet
She can do all that, but can she kill a bug without being afraid of it?
Admittedly I kinda wondered this and went back and forth between blade and firefly to be honest, did blade just give up after getting tired or did he realize the overwhelming difference in power. Because if blade had continued fighting i wonder how long firefly could last. Though in a single instance firefly does have the clear advantage in power alone
@@Maevix3142 U went back and forth but ur looking at it from the lense of a fight to the death, in which case very few characters can actually put down Blade if any that aren't Aeons. Technically speaking Firefly is just obviously flat out more powerful/a better fighter than Blade, even in base. If she goes into her full combustion form she gets an even greater boost, so she simply has to be ranked above him. Blade's biggest strength is just his unmatched endurance and immortality, but he doesn't really compare to Firefly/Jingliu/Jingyuan and whatnot in pure power
You better do one for *potential* people too, I wanna see it. I wanna see the POTENTIALLY strongest characters too lolol
Working on it! 😁
Also the fact that Acheron is an emanator of Nihility already makes her broken enough, due to the fact IX doesnt have a form, they are nothing, they do not care enough to give someone power, thus there is a possibility that acheron can draw infinite power from IX as nihility is infinite and opposite of reality possibly making acheron aeon level despite her being just an emanator, perhaps the nihlity is the strongest right under finality? since every power is a "shade" of finality, even the equilibrium, i do not know if its stated somewhere in hsr im just speaking as a hi3 player lol
i think it might be different this time, considering finality acts differently and all aeons draw from the imaginary tree
Yeah it's pretty much confirmed that IX is the strongest in terms pf power, but he simply doesn't care to do anything. If he even had to fight something it would cease to exist
From the way I see it, Destruction is the way to the end, Finality is the destination, and Nihility/Nothingness is what comes after the destination. I don't know this kind of thinking came to me.
I mean,no aeon has a form if you think about. The illustrations we have are just how they choose to be perceived by mortals
As a Healer Enthusiast, I defend Loucha’s case for being a Top 5 competitor!
Welt recognizes Loucha as the Star Rails version of Otto. In Honkai Impact 3rd, Otto was … well, for everyone who knows, you’d already understand why Loucha being anything like Otto would make him a dangerous person.
This indicates that Loucha is an extremely strategic individual who possesses the means and tools to get what he wants done. Considering he was with Jingliu when she announced that the Aeon of Abundance will soon die, there’s a possibility that Loucha goal is the death of Yaoshi.
Strategic strengths aside, there’s also that Healing Capability of his. Like you mentioned, when fighting an Emanator of Abundance, they’re able to regenerate the damage dealt very easily. Loucha was able to repair Xueyi, which surprised everyone because she wasn’t a human made of blood and organs, but an android made of metal and mechanisms. He told Jingyuan that he’s cursed by the Abundance as well, so this Regeneration Power of his is definitely a power blessed by the Path of Abundance, which speaks volumes of its complete capabilities.
(And to add in some extra spice of mysteriousness, we do not know his real name, Loucha was the name he received from the Xianzhou. He really could be named Otto.)
In terms of abilities, Luocha does indeed have the healing capabilities that go well beyond what weve seen so far even able to heal someone like Xueyi but its still unclear to me whether its the coffin doing all the work or its entirely luocha. I would love to see how crazy an emanator of abundance would be in fight its basically like blade on steroids and would definitely dethrone him if that were the case.
He's probably Void Archives, since we know from the Alien Space manga that Welt and Void Archives went across, Welt went to Himeko, and Void Archives probably went to do its own thing, maybe it matured as well in the process to become the entity known as Luocha
@@Maevix3142 So … after looking a bit into the Divine Keys, I believe Loucha AND that Coffin is meant to be HSR’s version of the Divine Key: Abyss Flower. (In HI3, the translation for Divine Keys are God/Herrsherr Killer. So being an equivalent to a God Killer in HSR is rather significant.)
My main reason for suspecting this is because Loucha’s gameplay involves something called Abyss Flower, he can obtain one by healing(skill), and another one by the Coffin attacking(ultimate).
Taking a closer look into the Divine Key itself, it has two significant powers; creation and disintegration.
It’s power of Creation can heal any injury, and cause growth in plants to an extreme extent (that sounds a lot like how the Abundance works). It cannot however revive the dead.
It’s power of Disintegration … is less explained from what I could find. However it does appear capable of creating a Lance of Blood by using the Blood of the User. And any injury it causes cannot be healed by anything except the Abyss Flower itself. (That power would be very handy against an Emanator of Abundance.)
So, Loucha is the Power of Creation, while the Coffin is the Power of Disintegration, and together they are the Abyss Flower.
Just like how the MC is destined to fight Nanook, Loucha appears to be very well equipped to kill Yaoshi.
Does being well-equipped to kill an Aeon count as powerful enough as an Emanator or even more?
Also, we did just see the death of an Archon in Genshin, why not see the death of an Aeon before our fateful fight with another Aeon?
@@TinkRomeroloucha himself says that his Powers come from the abundance
Man, It's impossible to list just five but here's mine. Acheron, Welt, Firefly, Kafka, Silver Wolf.
Imo, Blade isn't that strong. Yes he's unkillable but there's so many ways to defeat him even if you can't kill him. Knock him out, chop his limbs, imprisonment, mind control and so on. He doesn't have any explosive power like Firely or Acheron so once he gets incapacitated by a strong enemy he might not be able to break free
Silver wolf is an interesting addition, I wonder whether her hacking abilities has limits or can they just be overpowered by sheer strength. Kinda interested in seeing how that might play out in a real fight
We don't really know much about Kafka.Sure she's a skilled fighter but still..
I agree with this, although replace Silverwolf with Jin Yuan.
i'd like to argue welt's inclusion, for the same reason as blade and BS. while he has his cane / divine key, he cannot die' this why he's like 90 years old or something. not to mention offensively the key can open black holes (his ultimate) and subdue stellarons (fight against the doomsday beast on hss). acheron also admits that she'd lose against welt in a fair fight during the penacony arc, although hoyo is known for unreliable narrators in its games i believe she is being gunuine saying that
She never Said that
@@rickelmehanwinckel2699 it's very heavily implied tho
@@cyberzh0rafm its not,she also say she is strenght is meager and i am sure its not true
Jingliu parted the waterscape with a swing of her sword. And could go toe with toe with Jing yuan who is an emanator. And like you said that was in the past, she is even stronger now. Her story is not complete, it will probably be revealed she is an emanator. Acheron is just OP, I would even put her a cut above all the other emanators we have seen. She might even kill an Aeon.
Blade is definitely far from the strongest. Kafka recruited him to the stellaron hunters by essential having SAM beat him and pin him down until he joins.
I think the reason Black swan was so worn out by going through acheron's memories is because acheron herself said that her memories are getting swallowed by the nihility. So a memokeeper trying to go in and grab those swallowed memories cpuld potentially kill them as its essentially trying to touch nihility
- Blackswan just not get overwhelm, she almost die looking at Acheron memory coz Blackswan is being made from memory so when she read Acheron memory, nihility within it almost consume blackswan memory which would lead to her dead if she stay any longer
- i know a lot of people screaming for Welt in the cmt but Welt is not that strong in term of pure power like the one on the list here, even in his prime in hi3 he lost like 70% of the time due to many of his opponent r far stronger than him in hi3, Welt reputation in hi3 come from the fact eventhough he lost a lot but he lost strategically meaning he still able to gain and achieve something important even if he lost like when he fight Kebin, he wasn't able to win but he manage to seal Kebin in sea of quanta.
- Welt strongest potential come from the fact he still able to use a fraction of Herrscher of Reason authority, which is knowledge base power(for anyone who don't play hi3, HoR authority allow user to create copy or replicate anything as long as the user have enough knowledge about it like it detail structure and how it work), so depending on how well Welt is adapting to hsr power system and universe natural law, Welt can be very strong near emanator level with his HoR authority
- Jingliu is very much a typical swordman trope of Wuxia or Xianxia, her swordmanship must have reach higher level and ascend to near emanator authority, which can explain how she is able to kill abundance monster coz if she can cut it soul/core or abundance blessing then no healing is gonna save it
- Blade have abundance divinity from Shuhu so he is the closest person to an abundance emanator in hsr
- My guess for next video on who have the best potential: Trailblazer, Welt, Dan, Herta, Himeko
So say he adpts well to the point of creating the path of Reason he could technically become a god on HSR no?
@@OldDadGamer i don't think he will being able to become aeon in hsr, HoR authority in the end something from hi3 universe not hsr so if Welt wanna do anything first, he will have to somehow convert all his power and ability into something that more suitable with hsr universe natural law. But i think if he is adapting well enough i think he could atleast come infinitely near to emanator level or even on par with emanator. Welt power is still very knowledge-based so imagine if he get his hand on some OP weapon from any genius society members, he can study and replicate it in a smaller more condense form like what he doing with his cane aka star of eden. I bet his future new form might be an Erudition Welt coz it just fit with his knowledge base power
Who said she almost died? Where are you getting this lore? Or headcannon.
@@ForTheViolence Blackswan currently is a memetic entity, meaning she is a being made of pure memory and when she interact with someone memory, she is directly go in there. Acheron is emanator of nihility so her entire existence and mind is contain, directly connect to nihility and it still very much active. Nihility can consume everything including memories as one of the most common symptom of self annihilator r being forgetful, amnesia and memory lost (for example Acheron herself and the self annihilator that forgot himself being one in swarm disaster lore). In rondo across countless kalpas video, the image of predator and prey r not just hinting at the horror of what Blackswan saw in nihility, it is also her trying to get away from it and at the end there is even a black hole that try to suck blackswan in, that is why blackswan was afraid of Acheron after it, Blackswan have witness countless memories so it took more than just horror memory to scare her. Nihility is natural enemy to memetic entity like her, even contaminated a little Nihility would be a grave injury for her, just look at Aven having to go treat his nihility contaminated with a doctor of chaos and gone for the rest of penacony story coz of it so Nihility is no joke
@@OldDadGamerI mean, he was already a god before losing 99% of his authority and crossing into the HSR universe, so I doubt they will make him one a second time.
i am confused
we literally know from lore that Blade was recruited by SAM and Kafka after former(SAM) beat Blade to a pulp in a fight
so how is Blade stronger than SAM/Firefly?
So I kinda went back and forth on this because in a single fight sam/firefly undoubtedly beat him but i wonder if the fight continued would firefly be able to output the same firepower without diminishing in performance. Personally I figured that in prolonged fight, firefly would eventually run out of steam so I was thinking more in a protracted fight where neither party relented blade would eventually get a hit in and from there hed have the advantage
@@Maevix3142 i get your point but like...i don't think that relates to strength. Blade being immortal is his strong suit but he is not stronger than people who could beat him multiple times.
for example imagine Runner A and Runner B are competing to the finish line in a marathon and runner A goes to the finish line qute faster than the runner B. both were in equal circumstances and equally ready.
now what you are saying is in a similar category to "ok but what if they continuined running even after the finish line, Runner A would get tired at some point and Runner B would surpass him, so Runner B is faster". that's a matter of stamina and not speed, just like how Blade surviving and standing up over and over is less about his strength and more about his ultimate physical tenacity.
if you can beat someone in a fight, you are stronger than them, it doesn't matter that in 5 hours they could beat you because you got tired.
just my opinion though, it's not a big deal kekw
Comment sections probably gonna be a shit show in an hour.
Its a common occurance with topics like this, hopefully everyone remains civil which generally they do 😂
Fortunately,this aged like milky water
Since we won't be getting any Aeons as playable, the top dogs of the power roster in the lore are obviously the Path's Emanators so I am not surprised that Jing Yuan and Acheron are mentioned here, also to add that we really have no idea how strong the original Herta is aside from her incredibly high intelligence and her vast contribution in the field of science in HSR, so her not being put here is open for a debate.
knowing previous honkai game like ggz and hi3, i won't said that so soon, i do agree that we won't get any aeon that already introduce as playable but there is nothing stopping them from making a char that ascend to aeonhood playable. In hi3, Kiana become finality which have authority and power on par with a god/aeon and in GGZ there r even Supreme God(a higher being than a god, baiscally King of all god) which Kiana and Mei even able to ascend to
@@jakeail1995 I just can't picture Eldritch horrors such as the Aeons as playable, I mean out of all the Hoyo games the Aeons are way different than other groups of deities that we know of such as the Herrschers and Archons.
I can see they upgrading welt for plot reasons@@jakeail1995
@@idontspeakjapanese6289
- Herrscher is not a deity or god, Herrscher is basically hsr emanator in nature(with a few exception). Will of honkai is actually a god in honkaiverse lore
- Aeon(fyi aeon = god in honkaiverse lore) is not that different atleast compare to GGZ and honkaiverse in general(and no genshin is not include in honkaiverse). GGZ or honkai 2 have god, supreme god(king of all god) and even outer god, yes the same outer god from cthulu mythos(in ggz WoH is classify as outergod). The presentation might be a bit different in each honkai game but the nature of aeon and god in honkaiverse is the same
- And i'm not suggesting already ascended aeon as playable, i talking about a future char that will ascend to aeonhood being playable. It already confirm multiple time that most aeon ascend from mortal so there no stopping mhy making a future playable char ascend to aeonhood since it already happen in ggz and hi3
I mean, we saw that Herta received Chadwick's space nuke which blew up 26 planets. That alone outscales what we've seen from the other emanators
Luocha is defo gonna be on the op list in the future cuz there's a story a of a blonde man with a rapier who fought Nanook for days and managed to slash him. This left the scar on Nanook. It's just a story though and a thing I love about hoyo is that characters can be wrong in their description of something. Makes the world feel more real :D.
just casually side eyeing welt waiting for him to lay a smack down of biblical proportions down
Once he does something galaxy shattering in the story ill gladly move him up the table 😁
If we go with their current power, you could argue that Welt is interchangable with King Yuan (I mean even Acheron respects Welts power).
If we consider them in their prime, Welt takes Nr.1 easily (Herrscher of Reason just too damn broken)
I would throw Welt, Luocha, Fu Xuan, Elio , Screwlum and Clara in the mix.
Welt has Herscher powers, Luocha could be an abundance Emenator, Fu Xuan and Elio can see the future, Screwlum is an even more skilled network genius than Silver Wolf and Clara is basically in control of every single autamaton in Jarilo VI.
Have y’all read about the universe shattering events when PEPESHI do everyday things?
You mean economically or do they actually have some reality warping abilities. Also I wonder if we'll get a playable pepeshi at some point
@@Maevix3142 In some of the books found around Penacony called something like the “100 ___ of Pepeshi” it says Pepeshi cause universal destruction when they have picnics and other feats such as that.
@@sirnomnom5346 that must be a gag..Edit:Just finished reading...most of it seems intentionally embellished for comedic reasons.Those darn pepeshi patriots,almost as bad as IPC shills,am i right?
I argue one of the strongest character in honkai stair rail by lore is sparkle.
-actively connected to aeon of elation
-capable achieving her goals under certain conditions.
-deceive aeon of finality prediction through details the aeon did not account for(Steins gate style!)
SO IN MY OPINION WELT IS AND ISN'T THE STRONGEST CARACTER IN HSR I mean as we know he comes from another universe the hi3 verse his powers can manage to control gravity it self and destroy the entire hsr universe if he wants
Maybe i wouldn't say now since his power have been greatly nerfed since he travelled bettwen the hi3 universe and the hsr one since the term of power for each universe is diifferent bettween eachother wich should scale like this
GGZ ( Guns girl z )
Hi3 ( honkai impact 3rd )
Hsr ( honkai star rail)
Gi (genshin impact)
In therm of power WELT ones can manage to defeat anything in hsr universe but currently his powers cannot go over the current ones since he lost most of his power firstly in the second eruption and then when Kiana managed to absord the honkai energy to the moon which greatly decread them
The only reason why Welt decided to cross between those two universe was because he knowed that far beyond the sky there was an alien civilitation called the sky people wich are also enemies that you can actually fight against in hi3 ( in apho 1 and 2 ) ( anyway hi3 is a game)
Since they were targeting lots of people and one of them was Himeko wich in the hi3 universe died because of Otto ( which in hsr SHOULD be the Luocha possible variant since it isn't confirmed yet but they dhare the same JP VA )
And Welt retained himself the responsable of since first of all Otto was his enemy and then because he made Himeko join an association called Schicksal were even Himeko father worked too but have been assasineted by welt since Himeko father became insane and so joined to know more about her father death...
For what we know we can't actually be sure if Himeko really died or not because she fell into the void but her Sword seems to appear again in the Herta Space Station the red Broken one but it might be only a reference just like the genshin traveler glinder
Anyway Welt is and isn't curently the strongest caracter in hsr.
Acheron is basically the strongest entity in starrailverse (aside from the aeons and that worm emanator). Why? Because she's the one and only being to become a self-annihilator, an emanator of Nihility. IX themselves don't have a conscious so they can't gaze or pick their emanators, so logically speaking she pretty much got all of the entirety power of the Nihility Path
The high-cloud quintet is essentially the Avengers of Xianzhou.
I think Acheron is one of the stonger side of emenator because she is emenator of nihility one of most powerful aeon
Acheron>everyone in a big gap
That’s what I thought until I read her conversation with Welt.
@@nathaniels.3961Ah yes, Welt the one who in his prime also did the same determined and protective act against Sirin and got his ass handed to him, as badass and chad as Welt is he is just determined to protect his friends but it doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be able to beat the enemy.
Remember Acheron bathes in black holes casually, that's what she did when the shadow of IX (The Great Black Sun according to her lore) devoured her planet and Takahamagara.
Whats really interesting is how far above other emanators she is, i mean if she is just middle table imagine how strong the other emanators really are
@@nathaniels.3961that's like me saying I can fight prime mike Tyson in a boxing match a regular guy btw, guess who's winning
@@nathaniels.3961Who's got slept on by Sunday again?
Herta not on the list? THE Emanator of Erudition?
Ah, yah, you said 5-stars. Which is sad in a way. I get it we just have one of Herta's puppets and not the madam herself, but... yeah.
And, Blade? Really? He's strong and he's currently unkillable except maybe by Acheron. But... I don't know. I admit I'm a Firefly simp but in actual Hoyo videos the lady DID blow up a planet by her lonesome.
And isn't Dan Feng technically an Emanator himself, given that the heads of his people are regarded as the chief scion of the Aeon of Permanence?
About Dan Feng, technically he isn't an emanator of Permanence as Vidyahara are simply decendents of Long, but power wise he probably comes close to if not is at an emanators power as he as a high elder is "the closest thing to the Permanence"
Correction, Aventurine used a fragmented of his shattered corner stone, so that wasn't his full power. It's also not stated that Diamond used all us power to create the corner stones, so we can't say for certain how powerful he really is.
For me I would say the strongest right now are:
1. Firefly
2. Acheron
3. Imbibitor Lunae
4. Jing Yuan
I'm not surprised that the majority of the five spots were taken up by members of the High Cloud Quintet. To be expected, since they were the five best fighters within Luofu's long history
for any wonder why welt isnt here, most of the honkai (99%) has been seal by kiana and it is welt main source of power and his body is not at good shape at before, if it was the Welt from sirin battle then he could easily top on these but he have been neft to the ground
this might sound odd, but i think robin holds alot of power. first off, shes the current chordmaster of the harmonius choir, which means shes able to control dominicus, the same entity that entered the dreamscape, made contact with an aeon, and still didnt manage to get defeated, thats a high ranking being if you ask me. not to mention its likely (not confirmed) thats shes an emanator of harmony. we dont know her actual power scaling but being able to control dominicus alongside the other harmonius strings is already crazy enough
Robin currently is a pathstrider but her power is not for directly fighting
If she can become emanator then it could be different
Tbh, I really don’t agree with this list, especially since the lore contracts it:
-yeah acheron and Jingliu are top tiers, but you know who else is besides Jingliu and she even says is her equal, DANG FENG, or who we know him as, FUCKING DAN HENG.
it is established by the lore, and both his, and Bailu’s story arcs, that they have half of the high elder’s power, and that Dan Heng has the destructive essence of Dang Feng, and Bailu has the healing. (Also if you do deeper research into the High cloud quintet, Bailu is most likely a clone of Baiheng, with either her actual soul, or a replica made of dark High elder magic.)
Dang Heng literally is just the power of Deng feng, which is just on par with Jingliu :/ (Blade might be immortal, but people like firefly, Jingliu and DHIL beat him in pure power, same as acheron.)
What also doesn’t help this is Welt, which was also a acknowledged by acheron to be possibly more dangerous than her:
He was if I remember right, the 2nd Herssccher of knowledge with his predecessor being bronya and his master being the original Welt.
He currently still has the 5th divine key, star of Eden, which can FUCKING MANIFEST BLACK HOLES.
Sure, the argument can be stated that he has gotten weaker since his prime in HI3, being that he has a wife and kid, but the fact stands is that if u face blade against a fucking black hole, I doubt he would be happy being turned into spaghetti for the rest of eternity..
Firefly also applies, being that 1. She was stated in lore to have beaten blade to drag him into the stelleron hunters, and was the one who possibly, and probably, *destroy Glamoth.*
That’s already a good power feat even if you don’t believe she killed Glamoth, and possibly, a different plant or moon, but in-game, the only person to have been shown doing that that is playable (besides Chadwick.) is fucking acheron.
Tbh, blade and Jing yuan don’t even make it into top 5, since their are just stronger entities already established in-lore, and currently as playable characters. (Argenti can even be debated, mostly because he snapped out of Sunday’s illusion faster than anyone else, but was able to sever his connection to the dream and get aventurine and him outside of the boundaries to contact the ipc.
This is not to mention the true sting, which was giant, and he survived being swallowed, which killed hundreds and thousands of the Iron Calvary, which had to be blown up in a sui*ide attempt, and to a degree, saw through the garden of recollection. (You thought him talking to the plant in the Astral express was random? Hell no, since that same plant was in the corner where the garden of recollection for MoC is, so their is a high chance he was talking to both the plant, and the women who sits in that corner :/)
Tbh, I think this whole list should be reconsidered, since this just feels kinda dumb:
Blade is immortal, but as he even states himself, he’s not that good at using swords, and literally begged Jingliu to teach him.
He was a fucking blacksmith before the experiments that made him immortal, sure, he’s going to live longer than all the cast, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be beaten or or sealed by beings strong than him like firefly :/
Jing yuan also applies: sure he’s an emenator of lan, but he is still one of the weaker of the quintet, and all generals are emenators, due to directly pulling power from lan, so to a degree, he’s more or less similar to a mix of Dimond and aventurine than an emenator like acheron. (I don’t remember if he had Thunder general when he fought Jingliu after the Deng Feng incident, or if he had it before then, but it did take Jingliu to be Mara-struck before he took her down.)
Like, that’s crazy.
Respect dhil normal dan heng is stronger than blade
Jingliu is HSR Batman
I guess its fair four stars are excluded, otherwise Pitch Dark Hook the Gteat would be first, second and third on the list
What do you rank for Firefly?
Honestly in 1 on 1 fight and not a protracted battle she could probably inch her way past blade given she did defeat him but in a prolonged fight I dont think she can last very long though she is indeed very strong
No 4 stars? so were just gonna ignore an entire emenator then huh? (herta for those uninformed)
Welt ?
lost to a deer
The emanator of the equilibrium lunax is the strongest one because balance is the only true
It doesn't matter who your favorite Strong Char in HSR is...coz Firefly will destroy their planets....LMAO!
Is it me or does her voiceline while using her skill get kinda repetitive after a while 😂
the question I have is how jingliu could kill other emanators of abundance but is unable to with blade
I don't think she actually WANTS to kill Blade lol
@@justlol2305because he got blessed on the level of Shuhu, the strongest emonator of abundance in existence. It took the entire quintet and a large amount of soldiers to even take him down for good. Bit Jinglu alone won't be able to kill Shuhu, so she can't really kill blade. Plus he isn't just blessed by abundance, there is something in addition to the abundance that makes him actually immortal. maybe because of Dan Feng he got cursed by Voracity or something, but that's my headcannon and not something confirmed
@@user-uv6qu3wb5d where was Shuhu stated to be the 'strongest Emanator of Abundance' lol
Regardless, I agree anyway that the fact they were an Emanator made it impossible for the Quintet, let alone just Jingliu, to kill and, by extension, Blade impossible to kill for her.
Blade lost to Dan Heng in his 4* form multiple times before Dan Heng joined the Astral Express. If he could just stand up after dying and fight in a battle of attrition then he would have done so against suppressed Dan Heng. Even if Blade is immortal, he can still lose.
Also Firefly has better feats than anything Jingliu has done so far in the story. A fatigue and newly awakened Firefly blew up a planet so she should be on the list.
Black Swan is stronger in Penacony than she normally is as the place is full of memoria. She is strong but not in the top 5 strong.
great list, i'm happy you didn't include welt yang. the most overhyped, overrated, highballed character in the hsr/hi3 verse .
Where are Sunday/Phantylia? They are both emanator level/emanators and straight up stronger than almost everyone
Sunday is not emanator, he is pathstrider but control a emanator level weapon ( same like jing yuan with his lighning lord)
The Phantylia we fight get a temporary buff so it hard to compare her origin power level
Herta is probably the reason Maevix decided to only include 5 stars in this video
Its one of the reasons, theres a lot of 4 stars so it mightve made the video excessively long too 😂
If you exclude Honkai Impact 3 lore, I'd still place Welt here since Acheron herself said "Do they really think... that a blade is more dangerous than that "black hole" you're wielding?" Acknowledging that Welt is beyond her and Welt even threatening her, saying "So you must surely know, Miss Acheron, that peering into a black hole is not a wise move. As a potential threat, your knowledge of us has reached uncomfortable depths...
Reveal your true identity and intentions... Otherwise, brace yourself for gravitational disintegration."
I'd put Welt here to be honest.
Acheron also called her power meager so no she isn't saying he is stronger than her. Welt ran away from the Ebon Deer and got captured easily by Sunday so where do get this idea? Welt isn't even top in 10 Honkai Impact which is a weaker verse than HSR
@@RodiacreedPeople really can't read between lines, it's obvious that Acheron knew what Welt was capable of but Welt didn't knew anything about Acheron.
Acheron saying "do they really think a blade is more dangerous than black hole you're wielding?" Could also be interpreted as Penacony's guard knew their potential and assess that whatever sword that Acheron carry is much more dangerous than some artificial black hole.
Lmao hell nope why ppl are still yapping about this, he is not even close Acheron lvl. If u actually understand about 2.2 story there's no doubt Acheron much stronger than welt.
@Rodiacreed Bruh. 🗿 Hi3 is a way more powerful Verse than HSR. HSR deals with galaxy to universal threats while Hi3 deals with multiversal scale events, dimensions, and gods that govern the Imaginary Tree and SoQ. Literally, SA, the god who literally rules the SoQ, is terrified of Finality and won't even go near Kiana, who rules the Proper world. She is literally the manger of the Imaginary Tree alongside the Will of Honkai. Both are entities way beyond the reach of Aeons.
No welt is crazy tho
That’s because he’s not that crazy strong anymore, his strongest weapon atm is the Star of Eden that back in HI3 Rita tanks several times as Bronya created ones in their fight, and she survives just fine. Bronya was fully aiming to kill
@dreinstar2352 Just because he isn't a Herrscher anymore doesn't mean he isn't powerful. SoE has some crazy abilities lore-wise. Welt should be close to Acheron in power, at least number 2 on this list.
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859The star of eden is tanked several times at full throttle by Rita, who was incapable of taking down even the weakest of herrscherrs by herself with her most powerful battle suit.
It’s not as strong as everyone makes it out to be, is it stronger than most things in the universe? yes, but the chatacters listed here are stronger than even that
@@dreinstar2352 That's not a good example. Rita became an S rank Valkyrie and she was definitely on par with the common Herrscher in that form. Not to mention Star of Eden ripped through so many dimensions during the fight between Rita and HoR.
??blade and jingliu???
Okay, I came back here to tell you that you completely forgot that Herta is an emanator
I do remember that herta is an emanator though we havent seen her real body just yet or her abilities in said body so opted to not include her for consideration as its hard to place her if im not sure how strong she really is. In terms of the story we also havent seen her do anything of note, except for hack into silver wolfs many many accounts which arguably is an achievement all its own. When we do eventually get her and her full past/story ill be more than happy to redo the list 😁
@@Maevix3142 Fair point
No matter who is the strongest. I still hope they won't become the divided two.
I've been spreading rumors that will happen to Jingliu
@@albanthedemonking1076The Divided One 💀
Luocha still Sus.
Probably will continue to be sus for the foreseeable future 😂
Maybe next time just pick the strongest character per faction so that the list just doesn't become a Xianzhou list
Not a bad idea to be honest, might do that in the future 😁
Argenti!Argenti!
Where's Lynx?
He just said no 4 stars
Isnt she just a happy little camper?
@@Maevix3142 I meant her fish can:)
Welt should be here. Even Acheron was wary of his power even though he’s significantly weaker from Hi3rd to Hsr
Agreed. Ngl Welt should be number 2. The dude can summon a functional blackhole, control gravity, and recreate singularities with the mass of stars in lore. Even though he is no longer a god, he still has Star of Eden, which can easily destroy planets alone.
she wasnt being wary of him, its the opposite actually. she said something like "do they (the family) think a black hole is stronger than a blade?" and was basically pointing out how the family had become suspicious of her despite seemingly just having a blade, but not of welt, since he has the star of eden. but obviously, her blade is not your average blade, and she wasnt going to reveal her identity at the time
@@shawarma4life No idea why people don't get that. If anything Welt was the one wary of her power. I mean, he quite literally called it terrifying.
@@shawarma4life That's not true. She was saying it was weird how they didn't suspect Welt since a blackhole is obviously more dangerous than a blade. Then Welt pointed out that not even the family, which includes the Dream Master, could point out the secret behind his cane. Meaning Sunday and the Dreamaster weren't aware of his true power throughout ver 2.2. Most people seem to forget this.
@@MaliciousVeracity Nah. He was just worried about the Astral Express crew. He wasn't that concerned about Acheron herself at the time. Welt's not one to joke around when he actually gets serious and doesn't hold back. And Welt calling Acheron's power terrifying says nothing about his own. Just that he was impressed with the amount of power her blade could hold.
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Blade is not that strong... His only forte is immortality. you kill him, he`s right back. Yeah, he is strong against weak enemies, but he is not that great...
I kinda thought about it in terms of a protracted battle, eventually hes gonna get a hit in and when he does few among the five star roster can outright tank it. But indeed if it was a single fight, there are plenty that can defeat him but im also comparing it against the entirety of the five star roster, so kafka can indeed influence his mind for an insta win for example but I doubt she can easily go against the rest on the roster while blade has at least a chance to against most of them
Sampo and Welt takes top!!!! ❤❤❤❤ Welt told her to sit and so she did. So there for Welt > Archron 😂.
Man sampo is such a weird one, on one hand i feel hes completely trolling but on the other hand he could just be completely broken if he turns out to be one of Aha's emanators
Look like u skip the whole 2.2 story main dialog about Acheron. Lmao
Ngl, this list feels all over the place. Welt should definitely be at least number 2 here, and Firefly should be right after. Then I would put others after that.
To be honest I wanted to include welt but within the context of HSR we havent really seen him do anything over the top he was susceptible to Sundays powers, phantylia was taken care of by IL and jing yuan, and in the fight with aventurine he didnt really pull out any stops either (though perhaps he didnt get a chance to) and acheron was the one to defeat him. Im also not too familiar with honkai impact but as I understand it he doesnt have his herscher powers anymore. So I think he is indeed strong but we just havent seen him do anything to the major antagonists so far, once we do though id be more than happy to bump him up 😁
@Maevix3142 I understand that. As a Hi3 player, I should inform you that his main source of feats using Star of Eden is in the Hi3 manga, and he should be able to recreate those feats without being a Herrscher. Star of Eden is a divine key created from the core the Herrscher of Stars/Earth, who, using it's power casually sank a continent into the Earth. In the Alien Space manga, Welt uses Star of Eden to create the singularity of a blackhole to attack a higher dimensional entity. This attack specifically was done using Star of Eden, which is separate from his Herrscher authority. That's just one example of what Star of Eden can do. In HSR, he never uses the thing, and the only two times he has were at the beginning of the game to stop the Stelleron, and when he was against Adventurine, he was seconds away from unleashing it until Acheron stepped in. Hopefully, Hoyo will finally let him have his moment in the future.
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 Welt isn't in the top 10 in HI3 so why do people like you hype him up so much? I read the manga and all he did was break out of the pocket dimension not destroy a universe.
@Rodiacreed Duh, he isn't top 10 in Hi3 Verse. Hi3 Verse scales higher than HSR, so that's a given. But the dude was still a Herrscher at the end of the day. Also, when did I ever say anything about him creating a universe? What he did was break through to a higher dimensional plane of existence using singularity rebuild.
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859 Ah yes the bad guys that cant destroy or successfully take over one planet are much stronger than beings that can travel through universe and affect all the races living there and are able to give people of the entire universe super powers and FTL. This is some massive cope. Aeons are far above anything HSR have, this cant be even an argument... IPC testing weapons that when fired destroy multiple planets. But surely Honkai Impact 3rd is just more powerful universe!!!/s
Herrscher in Hi3->Can destroy surface of a planet
Emanator> Can destroy entire planet
Hmmm.... Hmmm... 🤔
Characters Lore
1/ Sunday ( Embryo of Philosophy )
2/ Acheron ( Emanator Of Nihility )
3/Phantylia ( Emanator Of Destruction + Ambrosial Arbor )
4/ JingYuan ( Although it is unclear whether he is an Emanator, the Lightning Lord that Jing Yuan controls is a power bestowed from Aeon. )
5/ Aventurine • Cornerstone Full Power ( He has 1/10 of Diamond power. Diamond is an Emanator. Welt stated that without the power of Aventurine Cornerstone, Penacony's entire Dreamspace would be affected by Acheron slash. While Aventurine Cornerstone was broken quite a bit, Aventurine power was also reduced. If his Cornerstone is intact, I think Aventurine is one of the strongest 5-star characters at the moment. )
Characters Playable
1/ Acheron
2/ Jing Yuan
3/ Aventurine
4/ Firefly
5/ Jingliu
Aventurine has no feats that are better than Firefly, 1/10 of the power an Emanator isn't a lot when going up against the top tiers. Pretty sure Dan Heng IL is stronger than him based on feats
@@Rodiacreed 1/10 of Diamond power protected Penacony's entire Dreamscape from Acheron 2 slashes. Aventurine himself said, his Cornerstone was broken so its power was greatly reduced.
If Aventurine Cornerstone had not been broken, he would be stronger than Firefly. This is the power of Emanator, even though it is only 1/10, it is still enough to overwhelm the Pathstriders.
@@LORD-ve4mu Not all Pathstriders are vastly inferior to Emanators.
And Acheron had no intention of destroying the Dreamscape which is why she retreated before the Oak Family collective after the fight.
It absurd to say Acheron was willing to destroy the dreamscape and endanger everyone in it.
Aventurine said he didn't have enough energy to even run away from the Astral Express if Acheron hadn't cut him, so how is he tanking blows that could destroy realities?
Firefly/Sam without Combustion Mode was stalemating sheathed Acheron and was even willing to fight her while unsheathed. She is meant to be a powerhouse
@@Rodiacreed Aventurine: How else would The Family be fooled if there was no price to pay? It doesn't matter - even smashed to smithereens, the Preservation's cornerstone can still be used. Its effect may be greatly diminished, but... it's enough for me.
Welt: No wonder Miss Acheron is so averse to drawing her blade... it's hard to imagine such terrifying power could reside in an ordinary sheath. If it weren't for the fact that Aventurine's power originated from the Preservation, the entire Dreamscape would have been affected.
@@LORD-ve4mu Affected and destroyed is not the same thing. Yeah her slash is very powerful but Aventurine who got defeated by it is hardly enough to put him above a planetary buster like Firefly.
Nothing he did can compare to what a fatigued and newly awakedned Sam did.
Jing Yuan being here but not Welt is crazy work. Dude is just carrying a black hole around, crossed the multiverse and can surpress stellarons but he isnt stronger than the guy who was nothing compared to an emanator?
TBF Welt has been performing badly lately, got slammed by Phantylia and got Harmonized by Sunday, to everyone's perspective, Welt has already been NERFED to the point he is just getting slammed by every villain we encounter OR he is just acting according to some Hi3rd fans. Well who knows what Shaoji is cooking with Welt
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 I've always been of the opinion that alot of that comes down to surroundings. With his power coming from using black holes there are obviously problems with him really opening up and letting his power loose without putting far too many other people at risk.
Also Jing Yuan got slapped around by Phantylia along with Welt and the rest of the trailblazers, and we have no reason to believe he would have been immune to Sunday either since he was a Harmonic String which seems to be Harmony's equivalent to emanators.
At best, Jing Yuan is possibly an emanator of the hunt, but not a very impressive one considering Jing Liu was the real muscle of their 4 man team and is most definitely still vastly stronger than him even now.
@@TheGreatKingChiba Jingliu lost to Jing Yuan in the Animated Short. As for Phantylia, she was running on powers from both Destruction and Abundance, so it’s no wonder he struggled. Abundance is cracked in general because of the healing abilities.
I agree. And if you look into the Star Of Eden manga feats, the dude has levels of hax similar to Acheron. Him not even being on this list is a crime.😂
@@jakeblitzcoffie4859i mean he no longer has his hersher powers in hsr, because he lost a majority of them when he went to the hsr verse. His only real strength is his staff(pocket blackhole)