There’s a lot that miss this one little detail. In the first version where you wake up in the space station. When Kafka was about to leave you, she actually hypnotized you into getting found by the Astral Express crew. She said Listen: Someone will find you yadda yadda with the word Listen being highlighted. That’s why when you meet her again in the Luofu with her cloud knights, she says” But you already you knew about that, don’t you?” Meaning she was aware that you knew of her powers from the start. But then again, she did tell us she wiped our memory. Lol
trivia: in honkai impact theres a character that uses similar power to kafka her name is aponia the difference is aponia need to say "please" to activate her power and another difference is those who are affected by her spell are fully aware that theyre being controlled but they have no control of their body movements oppose to kafka that seems fully controlling their mind and body. and their similarities are both have mommy energy and deals lightning damage edit: another difference is aponia has a butterfly motif while kafka has spider
Thats interesting, I wonder whether the trick kafka mentioned is to use a trigger word that people would often hear. It would also make sense if 'please' created a weaker control (with people being aware) while 'listen' essentially dominating the individual given the tone of each of those words.
If I'm understanding the character stories correctly, she had this ability long before she ever met Elio. So it's not something she was gifted with as a Stellaron Hunter, she can Just Do That. She used it far before the Luofu, btw. The scene where she wakes TB up effectively has her subliminally programming them to want to join the express and start, well, blazing trails. I think it's more of a jedi mind trick kind of thing. She can alter perceptions so that, say, guards think that they're received orders from higher up to help fight alongside her, rather than arrest her. But she couldn't just say 'listen' and completely have your utter mindless loyalty. She makes targets think that her suggestions are their own ideas, basically.
Yup youre right, she is implied to have had this ability for quite some time. My personal guess is that shes had this since being a devil hunter though I coulnt find (or maybe i forgot) whether it was specifically mentioned and thats why I included other possibilities. I like the idea that its something similar to a jedi mind trick in terms of a mind control suggestion, but there was another commenter that mentioned a really similar character in honkai impact that could do this same thing only she used the term 'please' so in my head im kinda thinking that kafka's "listen" is a more forceful trigger of this ability though again its jsut headcanon 😁
Fun fact, Kafka likely uses it on MC in the prologue. It has several instances of "Listen:" appearing highlighted in the subtitles during her wake-up talk with MC.
I have been thinking about her powers for a Long time ,,, all we know that it with this power she can manipulate memories So I am guessing she might not controlling others mind instead influencing/manipulating the desire to follow her requests ,,, since one can directly ignore her if they feel like it ,,, so i guess its not 100% mind control but influencing them to believe they are not doing her bidding but in reality they are doing what she actually wants them to do ,,,
I think I know the trick that increases the effect..... It's all about the weak mind .. the weaker the more effective it is .... If you think about it .. the cloud knights already have a weak mind ( not like someone like jingyuan) .. same with blade since he is in constant fight with the mara .. yanging must be defeated in order to use it ( just like her companion quest ) ... Aka weakens his mind..the guard in her trailer was already afraid and hesitant on facing her ( since she has a 10 billion bounty)which made them an easy target..... The condition is really meh tbh for an op ability like hers ... But she is already a manipulative genius.. this makes her ability have no condition since she knows how to use it for it highest strength
@@tomdaturtle5792 three playable characters tbh … blade / IL / yanging …. The mind becomes weaker if it’s tired or angry / anxious…. Blade already have a weak mind since he fights the mara inside him … IL was anxious about his friends the entire fight …. Yanging was tired because he lost and was tired … if it really has no condition why she told us to defeat yanging then order use it on him plus she said if we weren’t there she will end up in the prison … so there is a condition after all
@@yamazakisouma438 She can use it on every playable character. Whenever you fight her, she can apply the "dominated" debuff on you. Just because its gameplay doesn't mean it doesn't count.
I refrained from assuming others have this ability given its not mentioned anywhere but I really wouldnt be surprised if this was a run of the mill technique but kafka is just one of if not the best user in the universe and took it to the next level
Kafka's ability seems like something the hunters from her planet could learn to do, its like a hypnotic suggestion rather than dominating someone against their will so id guess she isnt one but who knows we've learnt so little about her
@@Maevix3142 the issue is she used her power to erase our memories which Swan says that we are special like March. It's not that we can't access the memories...they are just permanently gone
I feel, based on Kafka's words about her power, I assume it's similar to how subliminal messages work. Manipulating the mind through certain cues. Though I assume her Spirit Whisper is allot more than only that. She may have some way of enhancing the effect of her words controlling people.
Im curious whether people are aware of being controlled whenever she uses it or is it like the voice where you just have this blank in your memory after kafka uses it
There’s a lot that miss this one little detail. In the first version where you wake up in the space station. When Kafka was about to leave you, she actually hypnotized you into getting found by the Astral Express crew. She said Listen: Someone will find you yadda yadda with the word Listen being highlighted. That’s why when you meet her again in the Luofu with her cloud knights, she says” But you already you knew about that, don’t you?” Meaning she was aware that you knew of her powers from the start. But then again, she did tell us she wiped our memory. Lol
trivia: in honkai impact theres a character that uses similar power to kafka her name is aponia the difference is aponia need to say "please" to activate her power and another difference is those who are affected by her spell are fully aware that theyre being controlled but they have no control of their body movements oppose to kafka that seems fully controlling their mind and body. and their similarities are both have mommy energy and deals lightning damage
edit: another difference is aponia has a butterfly motif while kafka has spider
Thats interesting, I wonder whether the trick kafka mentioned is to use a trigger word that people would often hear. It would also make sense if 'please' created a weaker control (with people being aware) while 'listen' essentially dominating the individual given the tone of each of those words.
Wait, that sounds more like Ruan Mei’s powers
IS THAT WHAT THE BUTTERFLY LAPEL PIN IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT??
If I'm understanding the character stories correctly, she had this ability long before she ever met Elio. So it's not something she was gifted with as a Stellaron Hunter, she can Just Do That.
She used it far before the Luofu, btw. The scene where she wakes TB up effectively has her subliminally programming them to want to join the express and start, well, blazing trails.
I think it's more of a jedi mind trick kind of thing. She can alter perceptions so that, say, guards think that they're received orders from higher up to help fight alongside her, rather than arrest her. But she couldn't just say 'listen' and completely have your utter mindless loyalty. She makes targets think that her suggestions are their own ideas, basically.
Yup youre right, she is implied to have had this ability for quite some time. My personal guess is that shes had this since being a devil hunter though I coulnt find (or maybe i forgot) whether it was specifically mentioned and thats why I included other possibilities. I like the idea that its something similar to a jedi mind trick in terms of a mind control suggestion, but there was another commenter that mentioned a really similar character in honkai impact that could do this same thing only she used the term 'please' so in my head im kinda thinking that kafka's "listen" is a more forceful trigger of this ability though again its jsut headcanon 😁
Fun fact, Kafka likely uses it on MC in the prologue. It has several instances of "Listen:" appearing highlighted in the subtitles during her wake-up talk with MC.
I have been thinking about her powers for a Long time ,,, all we know that it with this power she can manipulate memories So I am guessing she might not controlling others mind instead influencing/manipulating the desire to follow her requests ,,, since one can directly ignore her if they feel like it ,,, so i guess its not 100% mind control but influencing them to believe they are not doing her bidding but in reality they are doing what she actually wants them to do ,,,
There’s a reason why she has a bounty far surpassing Blade. She’s just that dangerous!
I think I know the trick that increases the effect..... It's all about the weak mind .. the weaker the more effective it is .... If you think about it .. the cloud knights already have a weak mind ( not like someone like jingyuan) .. same with blade since he is in constant fight with the mara .. yanging must be defeated in order to use it ( just like her companion quest ) ... Aka weakens his mind..the guard in her trailer was already afraid and hesitant on facing her ( since she has a 10 billion bounty)which made them an easy target..... The condition is really meh tbh for an op ability like hers ... But she is already a manipulative genius.. this makes her ability have no condition since she knows how to use it for it highest strength
she can use it on every playable character in the game, so that kind of makes your theory fall apart.
@@tomdaturtle5792 three playable characters tbh … blade / IL / yanging …. The mind becomes weaker if it’s tired or angry / anxious…. Blade already have a weak mind since he fights the mara inside him … IL was anxious about his friends the entire fight …. Yanging was tired because he lost and was tired … if it really has no condition why she told us to defeat yanging then order use it on him plus she said if we weren’t there she will end up in the prison … so there is a condition after all
@@yamazakisouma438 She can use it on every playable character. Whenever you fight her, she can apply the "dominated" debuff on you. Just because its gameplay doesn't mean it doesn't count.
This skill isn't something special. It's the wielder that makes it powerful
I refrained from assuming others have this ability given its not mentioned anywhere but I really wouldnt be surprised if this was a run of the mill technique but kafka is just one of if not the best user in the universe and took it to the next level
@@Maevix3142 ha ha
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the Art of Understanding
“You can have a shuriken and be taken down by a mere pebble that’s thrown by a master.” - Zetsu
given that Acheron seems to have a similar ability i wonder if Kafka is an Emanator
Kafka's ability seems like something the hunters from her planet could learn to do, its like a hypnotic suggestion rather than dominating someone against their will so id guess she isnt one but who knows we've learnt so little about her
@@Maevix3142 the issue is she used her power to erase our memories which Swan says that we are special like March. It's not that we can't access the memories...they are just permanently gone
Kafka is Makima if she had been revived and left earth
worst analogy yet 😭😭
Its a genjutsu
Kafka Tsukuyomi confirmed
I feel, based on Kafka's words about her power, I assume it's similar to how subliminal messages work. Manipulating the mind through certain cues. Though I assume her Spirit Whisper is allot more than only that. She may have some way of enhancing the effect of her words controlling people.
Im curious whether people are aware of being controlled whenever she uses it or is it like the voice where you just have this blank in your memory after kafka uses it
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