Retrospective : Trish's Identity | Devil May Cry 5 Analysis

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  • @pygmalion0451
    @pygmalion0451 4 роки тому +29

    Oh, I'm sure Trish has said that to Dante, but less because of her appearance and rather... well, let's just say I'm not surprised that Dante didn't pay the electricity bill in 5.

  • @SelkieGirl
    @SelkieGirl 4 роки тому +24

    The majority of Lady's sexiness comes from her badassery.

  • @shadedshadowmc
    @shadedshadowmc 4 роки тому +16

    Am already loving the start to this.

  • @PersianSlashuur
    @PersianSlashuur 4 роки тому +54

    I know that we're talking about Trish, but this needs to be said:
    If we ever get a prequel in which we see Eva taking care of the twins, we have to, and I mean, *_HAVE TO_* have her sing "Legacy" to them as a lullaby.
    It is an absolute requirement, and I will fight you if you disagree.
    Back to Trish.
    I sincerely pity her.
    She, Lucia and Kyrie deserve a lot more.
    Some people might argue that I should add Lady, but honestly, what she got in 3 was plenty enough in my opinion.
    Trish was made back when video game stories were just there to give you the context as to why you're doing what you're doing (with a few exceptions, I'm sure).
    As a result, her story was pretty rushed and somewhat bland.
    But that doesn't mean that she shouldn't be used.
    Think about it:
    Dante and Vergil.
    Pretty much the only characters to have explicit mommy issues along with daddy issues.
    Trish.
    A clone of their mother created by the guy who _killed_ their parents.
    What does all of that amount to?
    Nothing.
    After the first game, it's like the fact that she looks like Eva is non-existent.
    Yeah, there was the scene with V, but we don't even know if he's opening up to Trish _specifically_ because she looks like his mother.
    We like to _think_ that that is the case, but it's never confirmed.
    Hell, outside of that scene, Vergil never even interacts with her.
    _VERGIL._
    The guy who thought that his mother abandoned him...never talks to her.
    Trish even confirms that she knows about him, though vaguely.
    How, I repeat, HOW has this plot point never been utilized?
    Like, would Vergil stop himself from hurting her because she looks like his mother?
    Or would he attack her because of lingering resentment for being left behind?
    Or would he be attacking her because she's a clone created by Mundas, which would make her nothing more than an abomination in his eyes?
    Would Trish not care or have an existential crisis?
    Would she try to talk to/talk Vergil down depending on his reaction?
    Would she try to differentiate herself from Eva even more or would she strive to be more like her?
    Any of these could be great if done properly.
    *sigh*
    All we could do is hope, I guess.

    • @lordderp6914
      @lordderp6914 4 роки тому

      Dude I need rations to even get to the end lol

    • @PersianSlashuur
      @PersianSlashuur 4 роки тому +6

      @@lordderp6914
      Sorry.
      I can't help myself sometimes.
      I once accidentally(no, I'm not kidding) made an entire essay about what DMC 6 should be.
      Passion does weird stuff to me.

    • @zoltvolt8808
      @zoltvolt8808 4 роки тому +6

      If Vergil's interactions with Trish in MvC3 is to be considered he would consider her an abomination to his mothers name.

    • @lucaswibisono1316
      @lucaswibisono1316 4 роки тому

      Btw, its Lucia. Not Lucina lol. I almost got thinking of Fire Emblem for a bit

    • @PersianSlashuur
      @PersianSlashuur 4 роки тому +2

      @@lucaswibisono1316
      Oops.
      Didn't even realize that I misspelled it.
      My bad.

  • @Shadowkingbankai.2099
    @Shadowkingbankai.2099 4 роки тому +10

    Dude would you do Nico Goldstein from devil may cry
    analysis of Nico might seem like a potential asshole but she just doing that to protect yourself because in Devil May Cry 5 they really did her character but not too deep

  • @AmateurAnimations65
    @AmateurAnimations65 3 роки тому +9

    If we get a dmc 6, I personally hope it has nothing to do with the Sparda bloodline. Not that I have anything against it, I've got plenty of love for Dante, Vergil, and Nero, but it would be cool to see the world saved by non sparda related heroes. Namely Trish and Lady who obviously deserve their own game. I just think it'd be fun to see them having a demon hunting road trip along with Nico while Nero takes some time off or whatever, only for this road trip to evolve into a world ending crisis. It's a hard fight, but the heroines manage to beat back the demons all on their own. Then the game could end with the joke of Nero coming in to save the day, only to find the final boss was already beaten

  • @gabrielasilva3561
    @gabrielasilva3561 4 роки тому +6

    People would only call a all girls game "feminist agenda" of they were bitchy towards the male characters because they're men, every piece of media that people complain about it has this characteristic in it, not because they're women, but because they "hate men" and that wouldn't fit in a DMC game at all, they care about each other and get along well, it would be off for Trish and Lady to suddenly dismiss Dante because "we hate men now" so a... Cof cof Lady's Night DLC cof cof, wouldn't have the very thing people hate about feminist movies.

  • @hopebringer2348
    @hopebringer2348 4 роки тому +22

    Yo, I’m on TV!

  • @deutopia2953
    @deutopia2953 4 роки тому +7

    Not Trish related but I thought I should just share this retrospective thought: At the end of DMC5, when Dante and Vergil were fighting in the underworld, I love the specific way Vergil blocked Dante's stinger move (sideways, the same angle Yamato was split in DMC4) . I think that personified how far Vergil was able to come in the wake of finding out he had a son of his own, one that he IN FACT acknowledges in his ideals of power. I don't think that moment was just put there just to seem cool, if Dante had in fact surpassed Sparda in power, & himself & Sparda was able to battle Mundus into submission- Vergil lost to Mundus and Dante for reasons far beyond just power, a cavalcade of realism he began to fully comprehend once he fought his own offspring & Dante sent shots his way: "You cut off your own sons arm for more power, and STILL lost, lol". Vergil is beginning to comprehend something other than his obsessions thanks to Nero- through his more friendly, less aggressive attitude to Dante and his body language via closing cutscene. Sorry for the rant😭

    • @lucaswibisono1316
      @lucaswibisono1316 4 роки тому +4

      I love the fact he decided to do the classic Yamato "Stinger" from DMC1 in the epilogue lol. Just after Dante's SDT ultimate move was based on Sparda's sword moves in DMC1 intro.
      Just me gushing on about callbacks.

  • @wowb1965
    @wowb1965 3 роки тому +4

    2:07 Devil May Rising: Revengence starring Trish. Delving deeper into her competitive and playful side by diving into the demon world and toying with all the up and coming demon Kings while strengthening herself merely for fun

  • @darkservantofheaven
    @darkservantofheaven 4 роки тому +4

    I'm honored to be in this video.
    Saved the best for last I see..
    Just playin

    • @darkservantofheaven
      @darkservantofheaven 4 роки тому +1

      So what's the likely hood on a video about how Morrison became Black...
      White in the anime, now's he's a soul brother in DMC5
      Damn it Barry Allen!

    • @lucaswibisono1316
      @lucaswibisono1316 4 роки тому +1

      Its hard to talk about Morrison though (even if its just about the redesign). Morrison's debut was only in anime. Are there even other supplementary material talk about Morrison? He's like Enzo from DMC1, only with more physical appearances than him.
      While I do believe its weird seeing Morrison changed drastically, Outside of you and me, who remembers that DMC anime exist anyway? That's why I believe they add Morrison as a "new character" in the game. With new design. I dunno about Patty since she's only got a voice cameo at best.
      I love Morrison though. He may have changed drastically, but his personality seems still intact.

  • @DanO-ot5wv
    @DanO-ot5wv 2 роки тому

    As for Lady's different designs throughout the series, during the anime just before Lady and Trish bump into each other at a boutique, Lady sees Trish's shoes and notes, "What awful style." Later, during DMC 4, Lady is seen wearing a very revealing outfit, much like something Trish would wear, and in DMC 5, Lady wears black leather, much like Trish. It is never explicitly stated, but it would be quite interesting if Trish had an influence on Lady as seen through her sense of fashion, further showing their relationship.

  • @TheFearsomeRat
    @TheFearsomeRat 4 роки тому +2

    2:27 The other thing to note, I think Capcom has started to realize Monster Hunter is sorta "Lightning in a bottle" in a sense with Western Audiences, while Devil May Cry is more like Fromsoftware's Armored Core or Chrome Hounds franchises where they have their hardcore fans (I should know I'm a fan of all 3 and then some), but other game franchises they own (namely Monster Hunter and Resident Evil for Capcom and the Souls/Bourne (and Sekiro) games for FromSoft),
    have more or less thrown their respective games under the radar, so they might not have as many resources to put into DMC with other franchises getting more attention.
    As for Fromsoft, I think their just ignoring Armored Core and Chrome Hounds despite games like Daemon X Machina coming out and proving people still want Mech games and Project Nimbus picking up a following, and this is glossing over Battletech/MechWarrior and Titanfall,
    but at the end of the day Devil May Cry is in a similar situation to Lost Planet for Capcom games, as they both have dedicated fans, but they got the shortest sticks and are probably low on Capcom's priorities, and in the case of LP not even on their Radar.
    (Not counting Mega Man considering 11's release, and all the older games getting remastered including all of the X/Z/ZX games)

  • @wanted_melon2348
    @wanted_melon2348 4 роки тому +2

    But what are they supposed to do, they’re story arcs are done, they really can’t get stronger and there’s little room for character development, I think Lucia has the most potential

  • @nathanallingham9014
    @nathanallingham9014 4 роки тому +4

    Another great video. Also yes, I would love a DMC game that explores Trish, Lucia and Lady more in-depth. Especially since Trish is not at all human. She is a demon through and through. Like, I feel that wasn't really explored. Yes, she looks human enough. But she is still essentially a mannequin of sorts. (At least I think I remember her being called a mannequin demon somewhere. But I doubt in the game. So I'm not sure.) As such, I can see her having some sort of identity crisis at some point. Or feeling out of place in the human world.
    I doubt Dante ever saw Trish as a mother figure. As Trish is nothing like Eva. Dante even said as much his self.
    "Don't come any closer, you devil! You may look like my mother! But you are nowhere close to her. You have no soul. You have the face. But you'll never have her fire!"
    As for Trish's comment to V. "I'm not your mummy V." (Which made me sometimes think that she knew who V was.)
    Or even in the anime a little commentary to Trish potentially being a mother figure to Dante being debunked in a sense. I can only go off the English dub. So don't at me. But the exchange between the two characters goes something like this.
    Trish: "Didn't I tell you for years to go easy on the pizza? And don't tell me that's all you've been eating every day! God you're pathetic, do you know that?"
    Dante: "Please don't talk to me like you're my mum. We both know you aren't the maternal type."
    Something I kind of disagree with. Not because I want to see Trish with kids. (I don't think that would fit. Nor make sense in the slightest.) But because I think that when creating her, Mundus would have given her a sort of maternal trait or two. In order to lull Dante into a false sense of security. He did create Trish identical to Eva. So why not go the extra mile to try and ensure the plan of killing Dante? Making him lower his guard. A failed plan and I doubt it is the case. But hey, that's my little fan theory.

    • @Cabolt44
      @Cabolt44 4 роки тому +1

      Lucia is also a demon, similar to Trish, in that she was created as nothing more than a puppet, to be used in a grander scheme.
      As per the prequel novel to DMC5, Lucia is likely the one with the biggest crush on Dante, so I would like to see further elaborations on that.
      Would be good to get a little more expansion on Lady, since she is still suffering guilt over killing Arkham. Though this isn't as necessary as say expanding on Trish, Kyrie and other secondary characters.

    • @lucaswibisono1316
      @lucaswibisono1316 4 роки тому +1

      @@Cabolt44 Especially as the likes of Patty. Personal reasons, really. I just wanna see her in picture/model lol. That and how they have the time to bring "Alchemy" to DMC anime after only being mentioned in 1 long time ago.

  • @NatalieAliciaNorment
    @NatalieAliciaNorment 4 роки тому +2

    I'm enjoying this series. Thank you. Especially when you talked about fandom based stories. I planned on writing a fanfic taking place before DMC5. And yes, I will focus on Trish. I'm just not sure how to focus on Dante.

  • @darnell16player
    @darnell16player 4 роки тому +1

    In terms of playful attitude, even in dmc 4 she also teased Lady for crushing on Dante which was a small detail that I don't know if people or Capcom forgot about it. But I think sooner or later she could play a factor if ever tapped into.

  • @crimsonflame2k
    @crimsonflame2k 4 роки тому +2

    I honestly didn't expect you to respond to one of my comments on your Trish video in one of your retrospectives. I'm honored, man!
    Also, yeah, in hindsight, commenting before watching the video and then commenting again does seem a little weird now that you're putting it out there, hahahaha! Anyway, no harm done. :D

    • @ChampionAnalysis
      @ChampionAnalysis  4 роки тому +1

      No harm done at all. It was definitely a unique comment that way lol

  • @solracstormhunter3023
    @solracstormhunter3023 3 роки тому

    4:04 I recall the Anime showing exactlty THAT in examples like Lady & Trish shopping or Lady jokingly wishing to a demon to make her tho most beautiful woman in the world. Lady's may not have portrayed some desire to feel sexy in dmc3, but would someone obsessed with killing her father bother with superficials?

  • @astrothsknot
    @astrothsknot 3 роки тому

    re lady: sexy is as sexy does. I'm very definitely not sexy, (I'm fat and 45) but my partner says the sight of me being all capable and putting up a shelf makes him weak at the knees and when we've been on a hillwalk and I'm all rosy cheeked and laughing, i know I'm on a promise that night.

  • @DanO-ot5wv
    @DanO-ot5wv 3 роки тому +1

    There is a Drama CD for the anime. In short, Trish leaves because her and Danté's current broker Enzo nearly died after coming into contact with a Devil Arm, and Trish chooses to leave so no other humans will be put in danger.

    • @DanO-ot5wv
      @DanO-ot5wv 3 роки тому

      And she leaves to find Devil Arms.

    • @CalThePaladin3733
      @CalThePaladin3733 2 роки тому

      Yeah, she leave because she wanted at first to travel and in the same time collect Devil Arms

  • @farronhart5761
    @farronhart5761 3 роки тому +1

    I made this comment on ur earlier video recently, but i'll leave the comment here also.
    Honestly Trish is one of the most interesting things about DMC for me. She's so mysterious. I have a hunch that itsuno doesn't care much for Trish because he is always so quick to get rid of her. She only seems to get side treatment (DMC2 shes written out of the story and is added as an unlockable playable character that is just rigged to Dante's earlier animations. DMC4SE she seems rather undone and again shares many things w/Dante instead of being wholly unique kinda like her MvC3 interaction. DMC5 well she was obviously just there as exposition)
    She's a lightning demon, so i always wondered what lightning demon Mundus based her off of, Griffin? Blitz? A homunculus of both? What do her insides look like? Are they human looking too? Is the Eva appearance her true form or does she have a more conventionally demonic "true" form?
    I really would like to see some interactions with Trish and Dante that explore Dante's thoughts and feelings on how he feels whenever he is face to face with Trish. How he feels about her having his mother's face and voice? Seriously, i know people who have developed a mother complex for less, but this man Dante practically has his mommy strutting her tight-leather clad butt around his shop like its nothing. Hell i got goosebumps from just hearing The Boss's voice come from an AI in MGS Peace Walker. How does Dante not full-on breakdown emotionally from the sight and voice of his long loss mother after so many years? Especially w/her kindness being such a huge impact on how he turned out as a man?

  • @A_Moustached_Sock
    @A_Moustached_Sock 4 роки тому +1

    The irony of that request for that remake though. Devil May Cry exists because of Resident Evil. So its funny to hear a Devil May Cry remake be very horror like and compare it to Resident Evil

  • @coblamoration1102
    @coblamoration1102 4 роки тому +1

    Hey!! You quickly became one of my favorite channels so I'm super grateful for the recognition.
    Also keep up the amazing work, deeper analysis of video game characters is an extremely underrated thing. I'd like to hope that more game designers look deeper into their creations too as time goes on, after all video games are an art form.

  • @EliasAlucard
    @EliasAlucard 3 роки тому

    A serious DMC1 remake for the PS5 handled by Hideki Kamiya, would be awesome

  • @frostfirescorpion
    @frostfirescorpion 4 роки тому +1

    I'm not sure if wanderingnodes idea is good because last time capcom gave some a license to dmc we got DmC. I don't want to go through that again.

  • @randomguy3034
    @randomguy3034 3 роки тому +1

    Ive always loved the DMC games but they all...lacked something? It's a little hard to describe. Like, they took the story and concepts from one type of game and gave it to another style of gaming. I mean yeah we have resident evil to thank for DMC....but yeah, I really enjoy the combo fest and dialog that is DMC but the whole series feels a little off to me. I play stuff like Nier, Deus Ex, zelda, Halo. Sure they are different but they all have interesting stories, good character design, well designed worlds, ect. DMC feels like I'm reading an incredible novel but pages are missing. Sure the combat is spot on but there could be more imo. Ah I'm probably just overthinking it. As for Trish? If Capcom just sat down, took their time, and gave her a game to herself? Perhaps a similar feel to Control or Infamous...maybe make it open world or even horror. I'd probably play dafuq out of it. Sure my idea is all over the place but thats what Capcom gets for not adding details to some dope characters.

  • @albertgongora6944
    @albertgongora6944 3 роки тому

    I'm not going to lie as a big fan of the Devil May Cry series and not just because of Dante Nero or Virgil but the females that play an important role in the storyline and how they impacted Dante's life and you can pay the ones for even Nero and the Mysterious woman that gave birth to Nero's Life as a character and the Mysterious woman also giving an impact on Virgil's life as well I'm not really too sure about that but I do agree that there needs to be a game for the strong females of the DMC series not only that while on the topic of something like this at first I was thinking it would be cool to have a game centered around Trish lady and Lucia I also think they should be a great opportunity for Capcom to actually try to remake the games as well from 1 and 3

    • @albertgongora6944
      @albertgongora6944 3 роки тому

      Almost forgot also too as well for just in case if we wait doesn't get that

  • @bluhmer1990
    @bluhmer1990 4 роки тому +2

    Not sure where that commenter got the impression that somehow Platinum are great story tellers when that's never been their thing.

    • @lucaswibisono1316
      @lucaswibisono1316 4 роки тому

      How so? Mind you I never played any Platinum Games titles (I only tried that TMNT game made by them), outside of hearing the BIG hype that is Astral Chain... sooo... a refresher would be great, thank you.
      I mean even their action games (personal experience so far) are kinda samey. TMNT by Platinum Games gives this "button mashing" feeling and the super armor on enemies are just a total bummer. All that are accompanied by pretty colors, and superb visuals.

    • @bluhmer1990
      @bluhmer1990 4 роки тому

      @@lucaswibisono1316 All I was saying is that the person who was trying to say Platinum makes really narrative driven games is either a super fan or is lying.

    • @lucaswibisono1316
      @lucaswibisono1316 4 роки тому

      @@bluhmer1990 As proven with games like?

    • @bluhmer1990
      @bluhmer1990 4 роки тому

      @@lucaswibisono1316 Bayonetta, TMNT, Astral Chain, Transformers, even Rising.

    • @lucaswibisono1316
      @lucaswibisono1316 4 роки тому

      Ah i see. Thanks. What about games like Wonderful 101?

  • @NamelessEmiya
    @NamelessEmiya 4 роки тому +1

    The thing about trish in for is that her body model is kyrie model, while they were going for a sexier design i can understand why you see it that way cuz her model is such a drastic change from 3

    • @lucaswibisono1316
      @lucaswibisono1316 4 роки тому +1

      you mean 4? I think her model in 5 is aiming for that DMC1 look.
      That's how I see it anyway. Maybe not the best, but at least they try.

  • @albertgongora6944
    @albertgongora6944 3 роки тому

    I just wanted to put this on top of my first comment and it should do with the first thing I was thinking of which was of course the Remake before I put my comment about Trish lady and Lucia but my comment is about this I know this is going to sound a little far-fetched but Capcom said if we did one remakes for any particular game we want to see down the line even though I am a little scared of that because of what happened with Resident Evil 3 but I think you'll be given the proper demand as fans for the first Devil May Cry game maybe two and three as well to see those areas done way more better a lot more extended because I did like the comment that that one person did meet about the whole entire first game and I would like to see this for the other games going forward getting remade as well and I think that we really do push the envelope Ass Fans to Capcom telling and I think that we really do push the envelope as fans of the Devil May Cry series to Capcom I think we could really convince them to actually maybe hear us out on why we want to remake for the first three games

  • @laeva495
    @laeva495 3 роки тому +1

    that tfs bardock reference at the beginning tho

  • @WIZEXI
    @WIZEXI 4 роки тому

    I think capcom should make prequel to devil may cry exploring sparta story and the underworld and another prequel for lady and trish diving deep in there characters.

  • @lordderp6914
    @lordderp6914 4 роки тому

    In all honesty the only Capcom game that I can remember of the top of my head that's had a story that stuck with me is dead rising 1 and 2otr the whole meat processing part made sense at least to me and off the Record I can understand Maybe 10% but what they were going for it's the whole needing Queens for zombreks but they could just have easily done that to death-row criminals but the demand is probably a lot higher than the number of death-row criminals if you try to condense the stories of both into a paragraph they're both going to have I need more Pow-I mean products because without beef you cannot eat burgers and drugs are kind of important to but I could never live without hamburgers

  • @coffeesorcerer6980
    @coffeesorcerer6980 4 роки тому +2

    I got a video idea: Is DMC in the same universe as Resident Evil?

    • @bluhmer1990
      @bluhmer1990 4 роки тому +3

      I mean, think really hard, is that really something you want? Do you want your favorite RE characters getting slaughtered?

    • @Cabolt44
      @Cabolt44 4 роки тому +1

      @@bluhmer1990 Well they'd be saved by Dante and co so no biggie. The real question, is if DMC or a variation of it is part of Bayonetta's world.

    • @bluhmer1990
      @bluhmer1990 4 роки тому +2

      @@Cabolt44 While there's obvious references, too much crazy shit happens in the DMC games for Bayo to not get involved if they were in the same universe. Same applies vice versa.

    • @astrothsknot
      @astrothsknot 3 роки тому +1

      there's a school of thought that they are due to assets in the background, esp some books in the library (DMC5) and in the station (RE2:R) it's probably just background programming in the RE Engine, but In my fanfic, that's view I've taken. (Umbrella's T-Virus is demon based and being used to build defences for humanity should the demons attack again. But it's a background detail, not the focus)

    • @coffeesorcerer6980
      @coffeesorcerer6980 3 роки тому +1

      @@astrothsknot That's pretty much what I thought of.

  • @mordercainear9573
    @mordercainear9573 4 роки тому

    A coop dmc starting lady and trish like Darksiders genesis, imagine that

  • @CalThePaladin3733
    @CalThePaladin3733 2 роки тому

    Did you watch the animate?

  • @smothmoongazer
    @smothmoongazer Рік тому

    7:23 I LOVE THIS EDIT SO MUCH

  • @cozyoni1425
    @cozyoni1425 3 роки тому

    It's going to be interesting to see what they do with 6 since they want new characters. I still want to see more of Dante and Nero tho.

  • @lppstudios3006
    @lppstudios3006 4 роки тому

    Do a dishonored analysis