How to Return SIDE SPIN Serve's | eBaTT - Tutorial #30
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HOW TO RETURN SIDE SPIN SERVE'S:
Table tennis has one major element that set's it apart from many sports, SPIN. In this sport the ball can rotate over 100 times per second, so as you can imagine, handling that amount of spin is extremely difficult.
In this tutorial, we try to help you by giving you a few tips on how to handle spin and contract oncoming side spin.
Tip no.1
Understanding the contact point and aiming to hit the ball where the opponent initially connects with the ball. Once you see where the opposing player has connected with the ball, your aim is to contact the ball in the same zone/area. This generally will be a position that goes against the spin that's currently on the ball.
Tip 2
Acceleration, it's not enough just going against the spin, you must accelerate just before the point of contact. This gives you control over the oncoming ball and effectively will override the spin currently on the ball. if you do not accelerate, then the spin on the ball will take effect at the point of contact and spin-off your bat in a sideways motion.
Tip 3
You can also use other strokes to return sidespin as you develop and the most effective return would be a flick stroke. but again you will need to pay attention to which sidespin you're receiving. this is in order to direct the ball in the opposite direction of where the spin would like to carry the ball.
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Each time I have struggle dealing with sidespin, I watch this video again. It helped me a lot. Thank you guys!
Tùng Nguyễn Văn no thank you for your support 😍🏓
I cant understand what type of spin it is. How do I learn
That's great, thanks. I had a quick lesson from an advanced player the other day and he taught me this same stuff. he said to aim for the opposite side of the table to the direction of the opponent's bat swing. last night I had the chance to put this into practice against a player who was getting cheap points on his spin serves last time I played him. This time, it was a totally different story. he still won but it was much closer and he only won maybe four points on un-returned serves in the four sets we played.
Another helpful video! Been struggling last few months with receiving sidespin! Will take your tips with me in my next training session.
The sound effect is much much better now!😄 Thanks a lot🙏🏻
Great bonus tip!
All excellent pointers. An easier way to remember for a right handed server, aim return where the bat head starts. For pendulum serve bat direction R-L, aim to server R. The opposite for reverse pendulum L-R, aim server L. If you miss detecting direction of side spin, aim for center line.
Excellent pointer , the way i remember : aim the ball in direction the threat comes From = receiver's point of view : server's bat goes from Right to Left = aim Right
That's the key, it works for any type of spin.
very well explained , i teach his method to beginners , they understand way better than all the teaching from the official coach (way too complicated wording). Thanks for explaining better than i would do.
I didn't quite get this. I am a right handed intermediate player. I find it hard to return when opponent (mostly right handed) does a side spin pendulum serve that usually spins to my left. Can you break it down? Where and how do i aim to return. Also is it better to receive it in backhand or forehand
@@hkrishnan91I get confused with directions but compare to this: backspin is applied by hitting the ball from top to bottom. On return you try to aim higher. If you hit flat, rhe ball will move downwards towards the net because thats the backspin thing. Just remember that. You aim to the opposite direction of the opponents bat when it hit the ball.
Thank you coach!
this is one of things I have to master.
Thanks again! For both of you ;-)
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Thank you for the coaching. There is one particular player's side-spin serve that I need to receive better.
Side spin is one of the Trickiest to handle. Well, only issue is watching & understanding which side of Racket hit the ball while Server is Serving is probably the toughest thing to do atleast till Intermediate level. But I liked the last Bonus Tip where he said Bring both Head & the other hand close to the Ball - To Control the Spin of the Ball. That makes lot of sense.
Thanks, loved the bonus tip 👍🏾
Great session , thanks sir , very much appreciated
Always enjoy your videos!!
Short, clear and very usefull video. Thanks a lot. When i began with tt in 1.982... we were alone learning. No trainers. So that, i apreciate so much that you show us keys to improve our skills. THANK YOU
Bless, very kind words. The year I was born 🙌🏓
Aim to where the bat came from at the point of contact. That works for sidespin and topspin/backspin. Eg, a chop serve the bat comes from above, so aim up. Topspin the bat comes from below, aim down.
brilliant!
Ah so
Thank you Mark I will love you for eternity xD
I didn't quite get this. I am a right handed intermediate player. I find it hard to return when opponent (mostly right handed) does a side spin pendulum serve that usually spins to my left. Can you break it down? Where and how do i aim to return. Also is it better to receive it in backhand or forehand
@@hkrishnan91 You tend to have more control with the backhand, some even move across the table to return with the backhand. With a right hander doing a pendulum serve (and assuming no wrist flicking or other arm movement at the point of contact), the bat would tend to come from your left, and from slightly up. So it would either be mild chop or float with sidespin, so you should aim slightly up and to your left. Lot's of variations though, here's a good explanation of how the sidespin makes it want to go to the right
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Awesome. Thanks for your tutorials.
Excellent tutorial. Very very. helpful. Thanks for the video.
Excellent Video, keep up the good work
This is great! Many many thanks!
masterclass on side spin. thank you!
Thank you
Thanks for the info hopefully pick my game up . Got a big game this weekend against my friend
Hopefully win this time
Absolutely brilliant channel, cheers guys
Philip thank you
Great video and timely for me. Thanks. Now off to practice!
I watched this 3 years ago but it was good to watch it again today. I have an opponent who loves hard sidespin serves. I can control them BUT I really needed to see this video again so I could refresh myself to be more effective. :)
Thank you! Great tip!
Спасибо! Очень полезные советы!
Interesting and simple explanation.
Guys, the video was great!
One thing I'd like to suggest is to edit/position the camera in order to make it easier for watchers to see the whole sequence. In certain times, it wasn't easy to see the serve and be sure of the spin before the return
Thanks a lot for this wonderful tips! 🙏🙏
L B Rai Kulung absolute pleasure 😍🏓
excellent tips! Subscribed.
Great Video Thanks... My kids who are 9 years old, understand the different side spin serves and try to return if the same serve is repeated. I think the next level video of watching the racket angle and contact point of the server for different variations (backspin+sidespin combo) shall help as that's the time confusion is more.
Good job boys. Thanks for the tips.
Thank you so much 🙏🏓
Amazing lesson.. thanks..
Very good... I often find myself too passive on replies of serve even though I know what spin is on them...
This videos is for table tennis left-sidespin return. Thanks. It's useful for me
hong vi 😊🏓
great video .. thanks a lot coach
Excellent❤
Terrific Very Helpful Thank You
Great pointers thanks👏🏻
Thank you 🙏
Perfect lesson thank you
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Very useful . Thanks a lot.
ยศธร สิทธิสมบัติ my pleasure 😊🏓
very good Coach....
Tnq so much ...I am a beginner and this helped a lot
very helpful!
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Just what I'm looking for, left-handed receive. 😁
So, interesting and helpful... 👍👍👍
Than you
Thank , great Tips 😍
How to play again st medium pips, please exsplanne. 😀
Awesome 👌
Thank you
Nice one guys...miss you all 🏓
Thank you so much, we are still around, just mainly focused on our TT centre now 🙌🏓
I would suggest the same demo but using the wiper serve , it would be easier to see the movement of the bat's server ...left to right/right to left . For most of us , sidespin is a Real Nightmare. I know many almost refuse to play against sidespinner , they instinctively panick.
My trick : hit where the threat comes from , as pointed by HSGHtravels . Thanks both.
Thanks Bro
Thanks bro
the last tip is very nice: bring the other hand on the table. in the demo, Guy did that with FH flick. is this same for BH flick: you should also bring the other hand on the table, to have more consistent flick? thanks!
Is your thumb in that same location for your forehand as it was in the back hand at 2:05? I got a new paddle and went from a mustang to a corvette and noticing that my bat angle needs to be much more precise and am experimenting with grip changes. I know you have a grip change video, maybe one showing both angles in deferent scenarios would help many including myself. Thank you coach, and thank you padawan.
Thanks Eddie
My pleasure and my name is Eli 🤗
I am sorry Eli, I will keep it in mind
spot on sound guys....and whats more i needed this tute....thanks guys
By the way, are you going to do an olympic special, who to watch, who you think will win etc
Keep On Keeping On!
@@ebatt8803 im going xu xin for mens singles and Harimoto as my outside bet....
Thank-you
Thank you 🙏🏓🙌
Good mans!
Арнольд Чёрный 🙏🏓
Elli sir im from india i have watched many lessons and i have learnt alot of tactics from you
Thank you
Thank you, I’m super happy to hear that I’m able to help from afar, hopefully one day I’ll be back in India and I can meet you.
Thanks for this coach! With the flick technic are we still following the first tips? Hitting ball at same spot the server did, adding our own spin...thanks again from montreal canada!
Yes but not as drastic….
Thanks sir a huge love from India ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Dhruv Sharma oh wow, bless 🙏😍🏓
This is why the tomahawk serve is the deadliest side spin serve. Partially hiding the racket under the head makes it difficult for the opponent figure out where exactly the ball was hit. With just a little wrist movement, tomahawks can be side backspin, side top spin, or pure side spin.
What a amazing video. Eli one thing I would suggest is also have a righty player show the same technique. It confuses low/mid level players like me which I am guessing this video is aimed at. Higher level players already know this probably.
Kevin s yes you make perfect sense In future will do our best to show both where appropriate 👌🏓
@@ebatt8803 wow thanks for the reply. U don't know how much u helped improve my game through these videos. Love how u try to put focus on point of contact to negate spin. I just tried the technique on my newgy robot and it worked amazingly well. Especially the stab style of negating and adding spin. Also aiming the table sides based on spin. These things one can only learn from coaching and ofcourse videos like this.
Kevin s comments like this makes it all worth while 🙏🏓
I’ve been unable to make any video’s due to lovely covid 😜 but will be back with more and better videos in the future. All the very best 🙏🏓
Can u do a video for those extreme side spins. I have a whanker player doing those spins
Lol you’re funny, extreme spins can be very hard to deal with. You’ll need to do as you said go against the spin with extremity 🤗🏓
Спасибо, я из России и всегда с удовольствием смотрю ваши уроки👍
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Nice vid. Pl make a vid on how to receive TOMAHAWK SERVE. Different ways of receiving it.
Tomahawk serve may be done with backspin, topspin and sidespin too so you have to read the spin.
@@Lukas-dr6zx Notice the direction that the bat is travelling at the point of contact with the ball and aim somewhere on along that line from where the bat came from. The faster the bat at the point of contact the further along that line you need to aim. That will cover all tomahawk serves, whether it has a component of topspin or backspin or none at all. The principle works for any shot too, including those side spinny loops.
@@Lukas-dr6zx ,there is a fh and bh tomahawk , not many use the bh , but if you manage to disguise this opponent really is in trouble as thw spin is thw other way round as expected....as an additional deception you can twiddle the bat so opponent does not get the cue of different color of the rubber observing the contact ...obviously you need to place yourself slightly different for the bh tomahawk .
Ning Ding and Kenta Matsudaira both do it!
nooo my friend will see it and I do tomohawk serve ;(
@@marcush.1901 i use BH tomahawk and i can do it with really heavy sidespin .
all receiver's point of view, including server's table
1 ball sidespin goes to your left, then aim for it to go to the left table of server.
2 ball sidespin goes to your right, then aim it for it to go to the right table of server.
Thank you to trik
seek clarity , this is clip is a great example
for how to teach things which are not very intuitive for most of us .Great thumbs up!
(the flick demo is not on the same level of clarity for me).
Marcus Hardung thank you
Ah... Side spin. My worst nightmare. Thank you so much.
U could deflect the spin in the same direction with some side top added...
That works too..cuz if the side spin from the serve if too much it will thrpw the ball out of the table if u try to to counter it... Rather prefer to put it back in same spin it's coming ur way...
Kaushal Bhowmik yes absolutely, 👌🏓
Thanks. What about long side spin serves? how to topspin those correctly?
It’s a little easier, you can topspin the ball aiming for mid table or chop it..
With a little practice it becomes relatively easy
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i think the flick demo and the spin is pretty vague compare to the turn demo. I cant tell what does it mean by flick into the direction of the spin, what side of the ball should i contact, also with the same pendulum serve, you flick into different side of the table so it's not very clear.
sorry I did not understad the 3rd tip correctly.if the ball is spining from the middle to your backhand, then you have to play towards your opponent's backhand ?
This style was invented by me I need credit
Can we also say that you can basically return every spin by mirroring the movement and the angle of your opponent's racket (as if you are watching yourself in the mirror), meaning if he/she goes from left to right from where you stand/your viewpoint (sidespin), you should move your racket from left to right, and if his racket goes underneath the ball, and from behind where he stands towards the net (backspin), you can you do the same - move your racket from where you stand towards the net, underneath the ball. Is this about right?
Love it mirroring yes guess in theory that does work. 🙌🏓
@@ebatt8803 Thanks, coach Eli! I figured it should work. 😊
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Thanks for this coach. Iam from indonesia. No speaking inglis. 😀😀🙏🙏🙏
My pleasure 😇
веры год 👍
I try different services with different spins. But all my partners simply put their bat under my ball - WHEN I SERVE SHORT and with undercut - and their return in this way is always successful. My sidespins do
You’re not putting enough spin on your serve then
@@ebatt8803 The question, that I put is really a mystery for me. Especially, that my partners have different levels and some of them are not very good. But ALL of them employ the same movement and it works. More to the point, they use it, of course, between themselves. And against the gays that have very weird services. And it works with them as well. As I say it a mystery for me and gets me on the nerves. I see things like your videos, everybody underlines the importance of the angle of the racket, your demonstration confirms it as well. But. But in our circle, just moving the racket under the ball, fast parallel to the table works perfectly. I mean really perfectly. The returned ball is low, with underspin and well placed.
@@LeoTaxilFrance if you are able to generate enough arm speed and velocity which has more speed than the current spin on the ball (serve receive) then you in effect will over ride the spin given to you. And that is why the players you speak of are able to receive the way the do and get away with it...
Could you please show me how to return Ovtcharov dimitrij's backhand serve?
Quỳnh Nguyễn Văn I’ll call Dima tomorrow and ask him 😝 in truth return his serve is very hard. The best way is to practice against similar servers
The bonus tip was a eye opner for my flick (hand) so i Get the head and body with me.
I can't understand which side spin it were. Wat do I do
Right hand player pls!
How to loop coming ball sidespin
Where position we shoulp brush the ball
Very good question very hard for me to answer this but I’m simple terms you should loop with pure topspin and aim a little towards the other direction of the spin. If your topspin is very high quality you will over ride any spin
@@ebatt8803 Tks. Very helpfull answer.
I would like at most if when returning the ball, you showed the first touch of the opponent... the complete round of touchs
In the forehand is inside out!
Great tutorial. I really didn't know that to return sidespin you need to hit the ball the same side the opponent did. Also can you make a tutorial how to return sidespin topspin shots. I find it quite difficult and I think lots of amateur players do.
@@ebatt8803 forehand sidespin topspin shot
@@ebatt8803 if someone does a hook or fade shot how do you return it. Because when I block it the sidespin makes the ball fly away even when I close my paddle. When I try topspining it, most times the ball goes off the table. How do I adjust the angle of my paddle so I can make the ball go in the table or what shot do I have to make?
@@ebatt8803 I hope I made myself enough clear
@@ebatt8803 well it could be this or how to handle sidespin during a rally
My sense of direction is messed up trying to imagine the explanations
but sometime i see pro player return the same spin but the ball not lose the control.can u explain why?thank u
Hung Le you are 100% correct but this takes a level of high skill and lots of practice. I wanted to show a clear and simple strategy, which I hope we did 🙏🏓
He is a left handed player 👍
How can get good Bat I'm in kenya
I don't know about the tt scene in Kenya but where I am from most clubs have a few rackets with different rubber wood combinations for beginners to try and play with.
eBaTT
GS Bisht in the near future 👍
That technique is fine and proper at the more early stages, but at some steps higher or with a offense mentality, you can hit it at the other side of the ball, doing a top/side spin in the direction of the ball rotation, and inclining the angle of the bat for ball positioning. (at least in my experience)
Correct me if im wrong, Eli.
Best wishes
(I just found your videos at a week ago +/-)
You’re absolutely right 👌 this is a more generic approach to help players who are in the developmental stage of their game. 👌🙏🏓
@@ebatt8803 I understand. I thought so. Im not a Trainer/Coach, but i played/trained since 6yo to 18yo very frequently (2/4+ hours a day most of the times), but i stopped playing for around 20y, so i was checking if my knowledge still sharp. :)
Thanks for the answer, Eli.
Best sucess from Portugal!
@@emanuelcipriano I’ll be in Portugal in two weeks 💪🏼🏓
@@ebatt8803 enjoy every bit. Sadly I'm at the North of Portugal and you will probably be at south, otherwise would be a pleasure to meet ya. Have a great stay in my country.
I always miss the ball when trying to backhand flip side spin balls. My coach asks me to wait a bit before hitting the ball. Do you think that will help? I am still working on it.
No true right or wrong answer experiment and you’ll find the answers
Confusing. Becaus u didn't break down between left side spin dan right sidespin.
and i confusing because the first sampke use rleft hand. While most people use right hand.
this is a good example of counterspin, but a bad one at how you serve
How can this be good u can't even return short the correct contact pint is the bottoms of the rubber it's less reactive to spin and do kind of a sideward motion that will make it short and opponent is forced to push this ball long chance for u to pivot and win
Ok well suggested
Anyone watching this because of playing on the Meta Quest......)
I can't understand because the receiver is left handed